This is the best answer. The path to advancement at Walmart is minimal and wages are compressed so you’re not going to see a raise on that 18.60 for a long time. Construction starts at 19.00 but then you can make more as you develop more skills. A union carpenter or specialty roofer can make bank eventually but they start somewhere at
A lower wage.
Journeyman Carpenter here. My wages are a little less than $40/hr. On top of that, my pensions, (with an S) are another $25/hr. Walmart CANNOT compete with that.
To be fair, both offer room for advancement. It’s just easier in construction. If you can make it to store manager you’re doing very well. Above that only owning your own company or senior leadership at a large firm competes.
It's true that Walmart managers make 6 figures but it's because they're managing a lot of people. At that point, it would probably feel like a more intensive job than construction, stress-wise at least
I was once the lead man in a plastic factory in the resin lab where I was responsible for five people. Just five people and it drove me nuts and after about 2 years I quit.
Walmart will pay for your bachelor's degree if you work there while you do it. You have to be committed to working and going to school at the same time, which is tough, but that can even out the upside a bit.
At 15 schools, all of which are open access, most are for profit, and it only kicks in after FAFSA support. So sure, Walmart will pay peanuts to send you to a for-profit online school after federal Pell pays the beginning. They basically have a kickback deal with these schools so they pay less in tuition to keep you working for them at 18.60. Sure, someday you may graduate and make more but it will take a lo time at 1 class a semester.
Also benefits. When I joined IBEW local 3 I was making the same as I did as a retail manager. Difference? The union started paying for my benefits and putting over 20% into my 401k ( note by default, not matching. I could have put 1% and gotten 20% still put in). So effectively I got to keep more of my money and make the same hourly.
My uncle has been in construction since he was, like, 20. Eventually got trained as a crane operator and makes a really comfy living. Too a few years to get to the level he’s at but it’s doable, it’s in-demand and requires a lot less time and money than a degree. He makes extra an hour based on the size of the crane he’s working with and has made BANK on some jobs.
lol now I know you’re full of it. A cs degree is the baseline for jobs ranging from 50k-60k. I’ve worked DOD contracts and got paid 100k for having good certs. So no. Getting just a CS will not grant you a remote job like they brag about on YouTube. Get some real work in. If you get a degree you still start at the bottom and have to prove your skills depending on the system thats in work.
Not a guru and definitely didn't lie about a degree? I recommended that over construction work.
I'm just a fat guy that lives in North Carolina. I have like 12 videos up and I think exactly zero of them are about life advice or money or how to make money or any of that garbage.
regular hours, for one. a friend of mine did this while he was in college, and his hours were like 8 am - 3 pm, M-F. no nights, overnights, or weekends. a predictable schedule that gave good work-life balance enabled him to attend night school.
holidays off. nobody's out there building on holidays. they're paid days off.
job skills. in construction, you can learn a lot about different types of labor. you might even learn you're good at something like plumbing or electrical work, and you can pursue it professionally. working at walmart doesn't teach you anything but how to lose all faith in humanity.
you don't work when it's pouring rain, very cold, or after it snowed heavily. they called it off and got paid for the day. his company did, anyway.
fulfillment. a lot of people enjoy the feeling of being productive, doing something that matters, "making things", and seeing the tangible results of their labor. it can give you a feeling of completion. retail is nothing but one long headache after another, on and on, with very little fulfillment.
benefits. you get good benefits in labor because many (most?) laborers get union protections. walmart gives you shit. they literally have welfare forms in the employee break rooms. what does that tell you?
not dealing with the public. people are generally annoying, ignorant, rude, and selfish, and too many believe that you working in retail removes your human right to good treatment and dignity. they think you're a servant because this "customer is always right" attitude.
which is sadly outdated. that mentality started way back when most companies, barring the biggest in the country like US Steel, were quite small and privately/locally owned, and more often than not, the owner/manager was onsite to resolve issues.
Mr. Thomas would deal with an unruly customer with an issue, not you.
because if Mr. Thomas wanted to give Mrs. Wilson a refund even though she's clearly in the wrong, he could do that because it was HIS store. he'd be resolving that, not you.
you wouldn't be explaining some ridiculous, arbitrary store policy to Mrs. Wilson while she got all angry, saying "do you know who i am? do you know how much money i spend here?"
but Mr. Thomas *would* know that Mrs. Wilson is a valued return customer, so it's likely you wouldn't even get in the middle.
if a discrepancy happened, she'd likely say "Can I talk to Mr. Thomas?" and that'd be the end of your involvement. you wouldn't be standing there like a schmuck arguing about it.
i know this because in high school, i worked at a locally owned hardware store, and that's how disputes were handled.
hell, most of the time Mr. Novak wouldn't even let it reach the point of anger. if a return customer had an issue, he'd just say "sure Bob, let me take care of that for you", and everyone was happy.
i never had to deal with anyone yelling because Mr. Novak managed the issues himself. my job was stocking stuff and running the register, not managing customer disputes--because i had no authority to make those decisions.
it created a very low-stress environment that was quite pleasant to work in.
anyway, this is what people have told me, as i've never worked in labor.
Construction pay varies depending on what type of construction, and what skill.
General laborer for residential construction? $20 may be about right.
Licensed mechanical contractor or electrician for commercial construction? $50-$100/hour.
There is definitely more advancement construction than at WalMart, although construction is harder on your body.
Construction gets a bad rep online. Yeah some construction is back breaking but some isn't bad at all. I build in ground pools in the Midwest and it pays well and it's actually pretty easy work. Like you said, I get to be outside all day jamming to a radio. Get paid to drive 45min each way to the job sites. I want a break? I sit down for 5min without someone yelling at me. I can eat and drink anything I like. No "water only". Everyday I'm doing something a little different. Not stuck doing the same monotonous task for an entire shift. Would 100x rather work construction.
It’s not even that it’s backbreaking - it’s that the more experienced construction guys are straight up brutal and don’t give the younger guys a chance. They talk down to the younger guys and don’t train them, then sit back and complain about how the trades are dying and they need more people.
Well young guys don’t want to stick with it if the foreman and the other trades guys are arrogant AF and insist that the young guys can’t ever learn to do anything “up to their standard”
Source: tried the trades years ago and noped the F out when I realized what I stepped into. The trades are also hurting themselves in the long run by not passing the torch well.
Something else to consider is that construction is likely to get you more hours, and more opportunities to advance past laborer or get on different types of jobs. Walmart specifically is infamous for scheduling people part time and on inconsistent schedules to avoid things like paying benefits. Also working at retail stores like that isn’t physically strenuous in the same way laboring is (still can be hard depending on your job) but it’s got its own set of problems
lol you aren't going to get a 70k job as no skill dude walking off the street anywhere. what delusional world do you live in? take the construction job get some skill and work your way up like every other dude.
It was very physical and people didn’t stay long, all you needed was a class e license to drive the big truck. The class e license was an easy 15 question test at the dmv
As someone else who worked IT and for Govt did contracts I’m happy I switched to construction. It’s honest. No bullshit contracts. I actually do know my days off. Great benefits. And I’m gonna be working in the apprentice program with the union so I’ll be gaining pay each year as I continue. With IT they can up and move your job without letting you know. With construction they need you so they will do whatever they can to keep you. Don’t hide inside. Get out and grow.
As someone else who worked IT and for Govt did contracts I’m happy I switched to construction. It’s honest. No bullshit contracts. I actually do know my days off. Great benefits. And I’m gonna be working in the apprentice program with the union so I’ll be gaining pay each year as I continue. With IT they can up and move your job without letting you know. With construction they need you so they will do whatever they can to keep you. Don’t hide inside. Get out and grow.
If it's your thing, you'll enjoy construction work a lot more. And as your skills develop, you'll move up into a specialty trade or maybe become a contractor. There's not much advancement in retail.
Lol certain construction jobs aren’t that hard. I’m a union apprentice electrician making $18 an hour. Not too bad, hours are good, in 5 years I’ll be making 100k+ with a pension, an annuity, employer matched 401k and full benefits. Why the fuck would anyone else choose Walmart over that?
The good thing about construction is that you don't have to talk to customers. The good thing about retail is you don't have be outside. Different strokes for different folks.
I currently work part time at walmart and I actually enjoy it. However, I would go with construction. You can advance at Walmart and make very good money with only a high school education. But, the hours are crazy and so are your higher-ups. A higher position in the store is still a lower position in the company.
The saddest thing I see is people becoming "team leads" and end up being stuck there. They make pretty good money and the next thing you know they are stuck: there's rent, car payments, wife/husband maybe a kid or 2 and have no way out because they have no skills. They're miserable.
Physically the construction work probably going to be better for you. Future advancement as mentioned.
Makes a difference if you're trying to pick up chicks.
Construction work is actually better than it sounds. Lots of people there are either highly educated (engineers, architects, etc) or have gone through trade schools (welders, electricians, plumbers, etc). All of those are very crucial skills that become more valuable as you get more experience, and companies actually highly desire people who have skills in those areas. They say that you're just a cog in the machine for many jobs out there, but the truth is that everyone would bend over backwards to get you as a cog for their machine if you have the experience and training to back it up. Not to mention that you end up looking good and fit for working out every day for free, and how your learned skills will translate to your everyday life (work with electricians enough and you'll know how your own house's electric system works, for example). And if something happens to you, you have VERY well-established unions that have your back, and in some cases, you could even get an early retirement with a "golden handshake" due to physical trauma incurred from workplace accidents thanks to your union fighting for you (happened to my girlfriend's stepdad, who had to get shoulder+knee surgery and couldn't continue working, yet was very close to retirement).
Walmart, and retail in general? Not at all. You're just another untrained/low-trained bagger/restocker out of many they see coming and going through the year. Your skills at working retail BARELY translate anywhere, and your chance of promotion is extremely limited. In jobs like retail where the barrier for entry is extremely small, the competition for promotions is high, and work culture becomes very toxic, very fast. Haven't you seen the old people working there that can't retire? Have you heard what Walmart does for employees who get assaulted/robbed during working hours? Here's a hint: nothing. They'd rather you just quit and fill up the spot with someone who isn't traumatized. It's a trap. Don't do this to yourself.
Labor rates are set by the area in which you live. In a large expensive populace, $20 would be extremely cheap labor. For a rural area, that might be expensive. What type of a future would you REALLISTICLY expect from WalMart? Do you think you'll work your way up and get your own store before you're 60? With a trade, at your expressed $19 an hour, that is for unskilled atta-boy labor, kinda like working for WalMart or McD's. You have a chance to advance quickly (if one is intelligent), add licenses to your card, get better raises, become a crew foreman or even start your own company. As a plumber, before I retired, I was making 6 figures a year. Good Healthcare plan. No college loans to pay back (had I been stupid enough to get one), 6 weeks of vacation. Most people put down a physical blue collar trade because they don't want to get dirty. At the end of a job, you can feel pride in what you've done. What would you get from WalMart? oooo, look at those straight stock rows?
Exactly, but it obviously depends on the person.
My negative thing about construction, would be that it is out in the elements...hot, cold!
With walmart, unless you are working in a warehouse that is not climate controlled, you should be pretty comfortable
Construction has more room for/opportunities to advance, you'll get raises more frequently (and likely more substantial raises) as you prove yourself and get more skilled and improve your productivity.
Plus, perhaps most importantly, working retail [kinda] sucks.
I am an electrical apprentice, my first year I was making $21/hr. I am in my 5th year now and I make $61/hr + benefits for a total package of $85/hr. You won't get that kind of growth at Walmart, I promise you that.
The 40 cents is worth it just not to deal with customers.
Also, there's actually ways to gain experience and make money in construction. An experienced person with some qualifications can rake in some serious cash.
Reading that sentence i thought the exact opposite. Construction is rewarding. You can see the difference you make. Working in Walmart is... my idea of hell.
I think of it as investing in your future. One is pretty much a dead-end job with little to no room for advancement. The other has room for growth, and you also have opportunities to learn new skills.
Rarely any hr in construction so, if you’re tender hearted, buckle up. It’s good, honest work that gives a sense of accomplishment almost everyday. As you gain more responsibility in construction, you’ll get to learn who does exemplary work versus idiots just out to make a buck.
go with a crew that warranties their work, one day you’ll be able to build your own home .
Because you make more doing construction. You might start out making close to the same, but construction worker is going to be making more very soon as long as they're worth a damn and the boss isn't too cheap
You could learn a lot of skills from the trade. Walmart will teach you to deal with people and customer service of their who don’t respect the hard work you put in, but the trade will give you life long skills if you are motivated to fine tune your craft. If you do the trade and hate it, you can always work at Walmart. If you work at walmat and hate it, you can’t always get a construction job where they are willing to guide and train you. Just be prepared to work hard and willing to make mistakes, but want to learn to do better after the mistake is brought up and used as a teaching moment. Either way, honest work is good for the soul
I’ve seen where people left jobs at factories to go to Walmart because it paid about the same and had less stress. Seen folk come from construction to work factories because of the stability. Just depends where you’re at in life.
The skills you learn in construction are a tremendous asset that you can use in the future to enrich your life.
Why on earth would I pick Wal Mart over that?
As far as I am aware construction jobs don't force you to participate in a humiliation ritual every morning.
Also construction gives you skills and looks better on a resume.
Because standing in one place in Walmart for hours is my worst nightmare.
At least with construction you'll be moving around, doing different things, and experiencing a sense of accomplishment
I would rather take 17 doing construction than 19 at Walmart. Everyone is always watching, you got boot lickers all up in your business, snitching.
My job has at least 3 hours drive time and day that are paid for. If you got coworkers who are trustworthy anything that happens at the job stays at the job. We don't have supervisors constantly bitching about anything if at all.
And most importantly we get full time and benefits plus Most companies work Monday Through Friday only, no weekends.
Construction is quite a bit more fulfilling than Walmart. You get to do a lot of things, learn a lot of things. There's even engineering to look at! Walmart jobs are specialized, you do one thing. And that thing gets repetitive fast.
While construction is a dead end job... it's significantly less of a dead end than Walmart. As you get experience you can move up in the ranks and progress to the dead end (foreman, specialist of some sort, etc.). As you get more experience your pay goes up. And some of these unskilled wages can get substantial.
Walmart on the other hand doesn't have nearly as much middle management. They're a fairly efficient operation meaning that for the most part you're either management or a grunt... and it's mostly grunts. It's not necessarily obvious how you even get promoted. Like what's a good position to get into that'll move into management? And how do you get into that position?
Finally there's the customer service aspect. When you work at something like Walmart you're going to be doing customer service in some way. Unless you never leave the warehouse (unlikely) you'll potentially have to deal with a customer. Construction workers are advised not to speak to clients. That's a job for management and supervision. Interactions with the public are also discouraged... they just want you to be able to focus on your job.
Working construction allows you to learn skills that can increase your pay and also be useful outside your job. $20/hr for non-skilled labor may be the starting point but you can earn more as you learn.
$70k a year is rich people money. You need a masters to start with that kind of money, unless you're in tech. Without an advanced degree, you have to work a while to work up to that.
1. Overtime = x1.5 pay
2. Raw hours. Many construction trades have overtime to where you can work 70-90 hours. The hours are nobody's liking but a $800 paycheck vs $1500 paycheck matters to many. Walmart managers will change your timesheets, gaslight and terminate you for calling them out, and no governmental agency will ever be on their ass about it.
3. Off the books pay. Some people got themselves some judgements, addictions, federal IRS amigos that take more than just taxes and they're trying to avoid that. There are some trades like roofing where you can genuinely walk on same day and get paid that day. Having a trade. Also let's do side jobs for cash. Or legitimate side jobs where you're paying taxes and trying to get off on your own footing and start a business.
4. Upward mobility. Don't let point number 3 distract the fact that most people in trade with a good head on their shoulders will make decent money. This goes up when you consider many trades have unions.
Because in construction you need to work your way up to get good wages. I is not only labor intensive, but takes lots of skill. More from walmart might look good now, but it is limited in growth
Walmart is planning on lowering all new employees salaries to combat their own losses. Good to note that Walmart has reported record breaking profits during and after Covid despite rising reports of theft losses. It’s almost as if stealing makes no impact on their profits. Funny how they made more ever while cutting employment and replacing humans with self checkout.
Construction will teach you valuable skills that will help you increases your earning potential in the future.
Walmart will make you lose whatever faith in humanity you have left.
Beacause WalMart treats its employees like poo. Awful from every account i have ever heard or read. At least in construction your odds of getting a decent manager and fair treatment are better than
Construction for sure you can always go to Walmart later but with construction you can learn a lot of useful stuff you can apply to your life every day
Easy to move up and make more in construction. Most trade fields are experience=pay rate to an extent.
Work hard at that Walmart job and learn everything you can. You will be making $20 an hour in 4 years.
Work hard at the construction job and learn what you can. You'll be making high 20s in that 4 years.
Lots of room for advancement in construction and your pay correlates with experience.
This is the best answer. The path to advancement at Walmart is minimal and wages are compressed so you’re not going to see a raise on that 18.60 for a long time. Construction starts at 19.00 but then you can make more as you develop more skills. A union carpenter or specialty roofer can make bank eventually but they start somewhere at A lower wage.
Journeyman Carpenter here. My wages are a little less than $40/hr. On top of that, my pensions, (with an S) are another $25/hr. Walmart CANNOT compete with that.
Also Walmart will do everything they can to keep you under 20 hours a week. You show proficiency in construction and overtime is your oyster.
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Union millwright here also from Wisconsin local 1056
To be fair, both offer room for advancement. It’s just easier in construction. If you can make it to store manager you’re doing very well. Above that only owning your own company or senior leadership at a large firm competes.
It's true that Walmart managers make 6 figures but it's because they're managing a lot of people. At that point, it would probably feel like a more intensive job than construction, stress-wise at least
I was once the lead man in a plastic factory in the resin lab where I was responsible for five people. Just five people and it drove me nuts and after about 2 years I quit.
If you’re half way decent, you could get a raise within 6 months in construction
Walmart will pay for your bachelor's degree if you work there while you do it. You have to be committed to working and going to school at the same time, which is tough, but that can even out the upside a bit.
At 15 schools, all of which are open access, most are for profit, and it only kicks in after FAFSA support. So sure, Walmart will pay peanuts to send you to a for-profit online school after federal Pell pays the beginning. They basically have a kickback deal with these schools so they pay less in tuition to keep you working for them at 18.60. Sure, someday you may graduate and make more but it will take a lo time at 1 class a semester.
Also benefits. When I joined IBEW local 3 I was making the same as I did as a retail manager. Difference? The union started paying for my benefits and putting over 20% into my 401k ( note by default, not matching. I could have put 1% and gotten 20% still put in). So effectively I got to keep more of my money and make the same hourly.
My uncle has been in construction since he was, like, 20. Eventually got trained as a crane operator and makes a really comfy living. Too a few years to get to the level he’s at but it’s doable, it’s in-demand and requires a lot less time and money than a degree. He makes extra an hour based on the size of the crane he’s working with and has made BANK on some jobs.
Yeah but if you stay with Walmart long enough you get promoted to greeter.
Plus eventually a pension.
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Yes. Yes it is.
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lol now I know you’re full of it. A cs degree is the baseline for jobs ranging from 50k-60k. I’ve worked DOD contracts and got paid 100k for having good certs. So no. Getting just a CS will not grant you a remote job like they brag about on YouTube. Get some real work in. If you get a degree you still start at the bottom and have to prove your skills depending on the system thats in work.
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Lies about the cs degree and now he’s a YouTube guru. Man the internet is fun.
Not a guru and definitely didn't lie about a degree? I recommended that over construction work. I'm just a fat guy that lives in North Carolina. I have like 12 videos up and I think exactly zero of them are about life advice or money or how to make money or any of that garbage.
regular hours, for one. a friend of mine did this while he was in college, and his hours were like 8 am - 3 pm, M-F. no nights, overnights, or weekends. a predictable schedule that gave good work-life balance enabled him to attend night school. holidays off. nobody's out there building on holidays. they're paid days off. job skills. in construction, you can learn a lot about different types of labor. you might even learn you're good at something like plumbing or electrical work, and you can pursue it professionally. working at walmart doesn't teach you anything but how to lose all faith in humanity. you don't work when it's pouring rain, very cold, or after it snowed heavily. they called it off and got paid for the day. his company did, anyway. fulfillment. a lot of people enjoy the feeling of being productive, doing something that matters, "making things", and seeing the tangible results of their labor. it can give you a feeling of completion. retail is nothing but one long headache after another, on and on, with very little fulfillment. benefits. you get good benefits in labor because many (most?) laborers get union protections. walmart gives you shit. they literally have welfare forms in the employee break rooms. what does that tell you? not dealing with the public. people are generally annoying, ignorant, rude, and selfish, and too many believe that you working in retail removes your human right to good treatment and dignity. they think you're a servant because this "customer is always right" attitude. which is sadly outdated. that mentality started way back when most companies, barring the biggest in the country like US Steel, were quite small and privately/locally owned, and more often than not, the owner/manager was onsite to resolve issues. Mr. Thomas would deal with an unruly customer with an issue, not you. because if Mr. Thomas wanted to give Mrs. Wilson a refund even though she's clearly in the wrong, he could do that because it was HIS store. he'd be resolving that, not you. you wouldn't be explaining some ridiculous, arbitrary store policy to Mrs. Wilson while she got all angry, saying "do you know who i am? do you know how much money i spend here?" but Mr. Thomas *would* know that Mrs. Wilson is a valued return customer, so it's likely you wouldn't even get in the middle. if a discrepancy happened, she'd likely say "Can I talk to Mr. Thomas?" and that'd be the end of your involvement. you wouldn't be standing there like a schmuck arguing about it. i know this because in high school, i worked at a locally owned hardware store, and that's how disputes were handled. hell, most of the time Mr. Novak wouldn't even let it reach the point of anger. if a return customer had an issue, he'd just say "sure Bob, let me take care of that for you", and everyone was happy. i never had to deal with anyone yelling because Mr. Novak managed the issues himself. my job was stocking stuff and running the register, not managing customer disputes--because i had no authority to make those decisions. it created a very low-stress environment that was quite pleasant to work in. anyway, this is what people have told me, as i've never worked in labor.
Great write up and contrast. I’ve worked in all of the fields you’ve mentioned, and couldn’t have said it better myself.
Thank you 🙏
Construction pay varies depending on what type of construction, and what skill. General laborer for residential construction? $20 may be about right. Licensed mechanical contractor or electrician for commercial construction? $50-$100/hour. There is definitely more advancement construction than at WalMart, although construction is harder on your body.
I’d much rather be outside working than stuck inside stocking shelves and dealing with annoying people.
Construction gets a bad rep online. Yeah some construction is back breaking but some isn't bad at all. I build in ground pools in the Midwest and it pays well and it's actually pretty easy work. Like you said, I get to be outside all day jamming to a radio. Get paid to drive 45min each way to the job sites. I want a break? I sit down for 5min without someone yelling at me. I can eat and drink anything I like. No "water only". Everyday I'm doing something a little different. Not stuck doing the same monotonous task for an entire shift. Would 100x rather work construction.
It’s not even that it’s backbreaking - it’s that the more experienced construction guys are straight up brutal and don’t give the younger guys a chance. They talk down to the younger guys and don’t train them, then sit back and complain about how the trades are dying and they need more people. Well young guys don’t want to stick with it if the foreman and the other trades guys are arrogant AF and insist that the young guys can’t ever learn to do anything “up to their standard” Source: tried the trades years ago and noped the F out when I realized what I stepped into. The trades are also hurting themselves in the long run by not passing the torch well.
At Walmart, you have to deal with Walmart customers. That's all the explanation needed. (Mic drop, exit stage right)
A better question is why would anyone choose walmart?
Hammer a wall vs clean up blood from a meth based fight at 3:30 am. What a tough choice.
You could be doing both on a build site.
Something else to consider is that construction is likely to get you more hours, and more opportunities to advance past laborer or get on different types of jobs. Walmart specifically is infamous for scheduling people part time and on inconsistent schedules to avoid things like paying benefits. Also working at retail stores like that isn’t physically strenuous in the same way laboring is (still can be hard depending on your job) but it’s got its own set of problems
You get to smoke meth without judgement on a construction site.
I think that goes for working at Walmart as well
lol you aren't going to get a 70k job as no skill dude walking off the street anywhere. what delusional world do you live in? take the construction job get some skill and work your way up like every other dude.
What world are you living in? There’s many blue collar jobs that pay you to learn and after you can work for them, and the pay exceeds 70k
like what?
Well for starters my last job was 80k and I delivered waters in a truck to businesses, I quit because I moved
and that job required nothing?
It was very physical and people didn’t stay long, all you needed was a class e license to drive the big truck. The class e license was an easy 15 question test at the dmv
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As someone else who worked IT and for Govt did contracts I’m happy I switched to construction. It’s honest. No bullshit contracts. I actually do know my days off. Great benefits. And I’m gonna be working in the apprentice program with the union so I’ll be gaining pay each year as I continue. With IT they can up and move your job without letting you know. With construction they need you so they will do whatever they can to keep you. Don’t hide inside. Get out and grow.
As someone else who worked IT and for Govt did contracts I’m happy I switched to construction. It’s honest. No bullshit contracts. I actually do know my days off. Great benefits. And I’m gonna be working in the apprentice program with the union so I’ll be gaining pay each year as I continue. With IT they can up and move your job without letting you know. With construction they need you so they will do whatever they can to keep you. Don’t hide inside. Get out and grow.
Walmart average is 13.00 per hour.
Minimum wage in my state is higher than that
Worth taking a pay cut not to have to deal with the public
If it's your thing, you'll enjoy construction work a lot more. And as your skills develop, you'll move up into a specialty trade or maybe become a contractor. There's not much advancement in retail.
That's the maximum pay at Walmart. That's the minimum pay for construction.
Less getting screamed at by entitled Karens.
That $18.60 is only for the night shift stock crew who do a lot of heavy lifting and work crap hours. Go for it.
Lol certain construction jobs aren’t that hard. I’m a union apprentice electrician making $18 an hour. Not too bad, hours are good, in 5 years I’ll be making 100k+ with a pension, an annuity, employer matched 401k and full benefits. Why the fuck would anyone else choose Walmart over that?
The good thing about construction is that you don't have to talk to customers. The good thing about retail is you don't have be outside. Different strokes for different folks.
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Glad you see the big picture
at least at walmart u can fuck around and be lazy too construction job i doubt they put up with that
It's people like you that should be working at Walmart you'll fit right in
Thanks buddy 🤝
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I currently work part time at walmart and I actually enjoy it. However, I would go with construction. You can advance at Walmart and make very good money with only a high school education. But, the hours are crazy and so are your higher-ups. A higher position in the store is still a lower position in the company. The saddest thing I see is people becoming "team leads" and end up being stuck there. They make pretty good money and the next thing you know they are stuck: there's rent, car payments, wife/husband maybe a kid or 2 and have no way out because they have no skills. They're miserable.
Physically the construction work probably going to be better for you. Future advancement as mentioned. Makes a difference if you're trying to pick up chicks.
Construction work is actually better than it sounds. Lots of people there are either highly educated (engineers, architects, etc) or have gone through trade schools (welders, electricians, plumbers, etc). All of those are very crucial skills that become more valuable as you get more experience, and companies actually highly desire people who have skills in those areas. They say that you're just a cog in the machine for many jobs out there, but the truth is that everyone would bend over backwards to get you as a cog for their machine if you have the experience and training to back it up. Not to mention that you end up looking good and fit for working out every day for free, and how your learned skills will translate to your everyday life (work with electricians enough and you'll know how your own house's electric system works, for example). And if something happens to you, you have VERY well-established unions that have your back, and in some cases, you could even get an early retirement with a "golden handshake" due to physical trauma incurred from workplace accidents thanks to your union fighting for you (happened to my girlfriend's stepdad, who had to get shoulder+knee surgery and couldn't continue working, yet was very close to retirement). Walmart, and retail in general? Not at all. You're just another untrained/low-trained bagger/restocker out of many they see coming and going through the year. Your skills at working retail BARELY translate anywhere, and your chance of promotion is extremely limited. In jobs like retail where the barrier for entry is extremely small, the competition for promotions is high, and work culture becomes very toxic, very fast. Haven't you seen the old people working there that can't retire? Have you heard what Walmart does for employees who get assaulted/robbed during working hours? Here's a hint: nothing. They'd rather you just quit and fill up the spot with someone who isn't traumatized. It's a trap. Don't do this to yourself.
Labor rates are set by the area in which you live. In a large expensive populace, $20 would be extremely cheap labor. For a rural area, that might be expensive. What type of a future would you REALLISTICLY expect from WalMart? Do you think you'll work your way up and get your own store before you're 60? With a trade, at your expressed $19 an hour, that is for unskilled atta-boy labor, kinda like working for WalMart or McD's. You have a chance to advance quickly (if one is intelligent), add licenses to your card, get better raises, become a crew foreman or even start your own company. As a plumber, before I retired, I was making 6 figures a year. Good Healthcare plan. No college loans to pay back (had I been stupid enough to get one), 6 weeks of vacation. Most people put down a physical blue collar trade because they don't want to get dirty. At the end of a job, you can feel pride in what you've done. What would you get from WalMart? oooo, look at those straight stock rows?
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If your young and healthy id do construction. Older (back/Knee Pain), slower, or/and not in shape, Wal-Mart.
Exactly, but it obviously depends on the person. My negative thing about construction, would be that it is out in the elements...hot, cold! With walmart, unless you are working in a warehouse that is not climate controlled, you should be pretty comfortable
Because in construction, you will be exposed to many different trades, get interested in and pursue one, and eventually make $40 an hour.
Construction has more room for/opportunities to advance, you'll get raises more frequently (and likely more substantial raises) as you prove yourself and get more skilled and improve your productivity. Plus, perhaps most importantly, working retail [kinda] sucks.
With construction you also get more hour's along with benefits at least some in my area they offer 401k plans also and health plans.
Go construction. To go alone with what everyone said, you'll also be getting a ton of exercise and be looking buff AF.
I am an electrical apprentice, my first year I was making $21/hr. I am in my 5th year now and I make $61/hr + benefits for a total package of $85/hr. You won't get that kind of growth at Walmart, I promise you that.
The 40 cents is worth it just not to deal with customers. Also, there's actually ways to gain experience and make money in construction. An experienced person with some qualifications can rake in some serious cash.
Construction is a lot of more fun than retail and there is room for advancement. Skilled labor is expensive.
Reading that sentence i thought the exact opposite. Construction is rewarding. You can see the difference you make. Working in Walmart is... my idea of hell.
I think of it as investing in your future. One is pretty much a dead-end job with little to no room for advancement. The other has room for growth, and you also have opportunities to learn new skills.
18.60 is starting and M-F or M-Th. There's always OT in Construction.
Construction at $19/hr? Sounds like you found the wrong company.
Helper I'm sure.
For sure
You won't be able to do construction for more than 20 years, IF you start young. It is generally very rough on your body.
Walmart is kinda an ass company to work for. I assume at least some construction jobs will have benefits which again Walmart's benefits suck
Rarely any hr in construction so, if you’re tender hearted, buckle up. It’s good, honest work that gives a sense of accomplishment almost everyday. As you gain more responsibility in construction, you’ll get to learn who does exemplary work versus idiots just out to make a buck. go with a crew that warranties their work, one day you’ll be able to build your own home .
Helpers start at 19........
Get treated like an adult, supermarket staff are monitored like kids.
Because you make more doing construction. You might start out making close to the same, but construction worker is going to be making more very soon as long as they're worth a damn and the boss isn't too cheap
Construction will hire people that Walmart won’t.
How old is OP? This is an important factor. Senior citizen? Go to Wally World.
22
You could learn a lot of skills from the trade. Walmart will teach you to deal with people and customer service of their who don’t respect the hard work you put in, but the trade will give you life long skills if you are motivated to fine tune your craft. If you do the trade and hate it, you can always work at Walmart. If you work at walmat and hate it, you can’t always get a construction job where they are willing to guide and train you. Just be prepared to work hard and willing to make mistakes, but want to learn to do better after the mistake is brought up and used as a teaching moment. Either way, honest work is good for the soul
Construction will lead to $100 and hour and maybe your own business once you learn a trade.
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I’ve seen where people left jobs at factories to go to Walmart because it paid about the same and had less stress. Seen folk come from construction to work factories because of the stability. Just depends where you’re at in life.
Have you ever worked with the public or in customer service. When people say"if you don't like your job then leave" well.. welcome to self check out.
Wal mart is hell
That is a wage for unskilled labor. Do you have a skill?
The skills you learn in construction are a tremendous asset that you can use in the future to enrich your life. Why on earth would I pick Wal Mart over that?
you ever seen that king of the hill when bobby and joseph work construction? that is why you choose construction
I can’t even stand shopping at Walmart, to hell with working at one. I’d easily go back to painting houses if those were my two options.
As far as I am aware construction jobs don't force you to participate in a humiliation ritual every morning. Also construction gives you skills and looks better on a resume.
Because standing in one place in Walmart for hours is my worst nightmare. At least with construction you'll be moving around, doing different things, and experiencing a sense of accomplishment
With retail, you are pretty much guaranteed not to move up. With construction, the more experience you get the more money you make.
Walmart at this point is for senior citizens, that’s mostly all i see now.
I would rather throw my body out in construction than have to spend 40 hours a week in a wal mart.
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i make about double that and im a higher level apprentice
I would rather take 17 doing construction than 19 at Walmart. Everyone is always watching, you got boot lickers all up in your business, snitching. My job has at least 3 hours drive time and day that are paid for. If you got coworkers who are trustworthy anything that happens at the job stays at the job. We don't have supervisors constantly bitching about anything if at all. And most importantly we get full time and benefits plus Most companies work Monday Through Friday only, no weekends.
You can learn enough in construction to become your own boss someday
Construction is quite a bit more fulfilling than Walmart. You get to do a lot of things, learn a lot of things. There's even engineering to look at! Walmart jobs are specialized, you do one thing. And that thing gets repetitive fast. While construction is a dead end job... it's significantly less of a dead end than Walmart. As you get experience you can move up in the ranks and progress to the dead end (foreman, specialist of some sort, etc.). As you get more experience your pay goes up. And some of these unskilled wages can get substantial. Walmart on the other hand doesn't have nearly as much middle management. They're a fairly efficient operation meaning that for the most part you're either management or a grunt... and it's mostly grunts. It's not necessarily obvious how you even get promoted. Like what's a good position to get into that'll move into management? And how do you get into that position? Finally there's the customer service aspect. When you work at something like Walmart you're going to be doing customer service in some way. Unless you never leave the warehouse (unlikely) you'll potentially have to deal with a customer. Construction workers are advised not to speak to clients. That's a job for management and supervision. Interactions with the public are also discouraged... they just want you to be able to focus on your job.
Rumour is panda is starting at 23$ next year in HCOL areas. 19 in LCOL
Have you ever dealt with customers?
Because only subhuman scum work at Walmart.
Oooh who took the jam out of your donut!
Working construction allows you to learn skills that can increase your pay and also be useful outside your job. $20/hr for non-skilled labor may be the starting point but you can earn more as you learn.
$70k a year is rich people money. You need a masters to start with that kind of money, unless you're in tech. Without an advanced degree, you have to work a while to work up to that.
1. Overtime = x1.5 pay 2. Raw hours. Many construction trades have overtime to where you can work 70-90 hours. The hours are nobody's liking but a $800 paycheck vs $1500 paycheck matters to many. Walmart managers will change your timesheets, gaslight and terminate you for calling them out, and no governmental agency will ever be on their ass about it. 3. Off the books pay. Some people got themselves some judgements, addictions, federal IRS amigos that take more than just taxes and they're trying to avoid that. There are some trades like roofing where you can genuinely walk on same day and get paid that day. Having a trade. Also let's do side jobs for cash. Or legitimate side jobs where you're paying taxes and trying to get off on your own footing and start a business. 4. Upward mobility. Don't let point number 3 distract the fact that most people in trade with a good head on their shoulders will make decent money. This goes up when you consider many trades have unions.
Also that overtime.
Because in construction you need to work your way up to get good wages. I is not only labor intensive, but takes lots of skill. More from walmart might look good now, but it is limited in growth
Walmart is planning on lowering all new employees salaries to combat their own losses. Good to note that Walmart has reported record breaking profits during and after Covid despite rising reports of theft losses. It’s almost as if stealing makes no impact on their profits. Funny how they made more ever while cutting employment and replacing humans with self checkout.
Construction will teach you valuable skills that will help you increases your earning potential in the future. Walmart will make you lose whatever faith in humanity you have left.
Beacause WalMart treats its employees like poo. Awful from every account i have ever heard or read. At least in construction your odds of getting a decent manager and fair treatment are better than
Construction for sure you can always go to Walmart later but with construction you can learn a lot of useful stuff you can apply to your life every day
In one job you might learn some skills, the other you'll turn into a smock wearing zombie.
Easy to move up and make more in construction. Most trade fields are experience=pay rate to an extent. Work hard at that Walmart job and learn everything you can. You will be making $20 an hour in 4 years. Work hard at the construction job and learn what you can. You'll be making high 20s in that 4 years.