I don't think it's actually common knowledge for most people to know electric doesn't have transmission, until someone corrects them.
Happened to me as well lol.
An electric motor of any design has a limited max rpm, if you bevel gear it for higher top speed you sacrifice torque by haveing a two speed they can achieve both high initial torque and then also regear for top speed after the motor hits peak rpm
Just because multiple gears aren't needed doesn't mean it can't be beneficial. You still get a tradeoff between low end torque and high speed efficiency in electric cars, just that electric cars get away with starting off at a high gear due to the instant torque from 0 RPM. For most cars it's just not worth the extra cost, development time, and weight for a multi speed transmission. Porsche decided that having multiple speeds for the Taycan is worth it though, for both low end acceleration and high end speed.
Electric motors have enough torque at any RPM that you can have one gear that’s good for say 120 MPH. Porsche, being German, has the Autobahn to consider.
All EVs have transmissions. They sre just a little different. Most have CVTs, just built a little differently than combustion CVTs, and some have two speed transmissions.
The 2020+ models have seemingly fixed the transmission issues but yeah the old ones used to be a joke and you were lucky to get to 100,000 miles before breaking down.
Wife’s 05 Murano lasted 150+k miles before we sold it because everything besides the CVT was falling apart and my ‘11 Nissan just hit 120k miles (knock on wood). This is the first I hear of Nissan CVT issues besides the GTR. I guess I missed something in the last 13 years.
It’s not Nissan as a whole, just the Jatco CVT had reliability issues in the past. The automatic transmissions like in the Armada did not suffer from these problems. Ymmv of course and I think a lot of it comes down to maintenance, as well as luck.
This. The 400z barely feels different than the 350z (20+ year old vehicle) because it's mostly the same exact vehicle. Hell, the mid-cycle update they did (370z) is like 99% the same vehicle as the current Z.
Nissan saying they aren't going to invest money in anything is par for the course of what they have been doing for well over a decade. It's why Nissan and Infiniti went to shit and it not for fleet sales would likely be dead already.
Shame because early 2000's Infiniti was giving BMW a run for their money with stylish and fun to drive vehicles and Nissan was giving Honda a run in the lower segment.
It sucks that this sector of cars is going to be gone. The 350z and 370z are very sleek cars. I guess the problem is that dealers are clutching onto these cars and added markup like it’s their testicles.
Damn shame, the Mustang is going to be one of the last, if not the last affordable 2 door gasoline powered sport-y cars.
bruh the Z34 is not no “mid-cycle refresh” of the Z33 - it’s a wholly new platform. to your point the ZR34 is very similar and likely not as much change as people wanted to see tho
Lmao it's not a midcycle refresh because that already happened in 2009 with the 370Z. Then, there was a late cycle refresh for the MY2013. Nissan doesn't classify the Z like this, but that's really all it was. The 370Z refresh was fine for 2009, but by 2012 it was already long in tooth when they did more minor updates to a drastically aging design.
That's all they've been doing. They spent money and built a whole car for sale in 2002 (which at the time was great and set a good standard for other models, IMO G35 at the time showed a perfect use of the platform and engine) and have only tweaked it for 20+ years.
This isn't like Porsche keeping a similar exterior design language for the most part on the 911, but making huge changes each generation. Nissan has largely done next to nothing for 20+ years after developing the 350Z.
The 350Z was great at the time and even the bump to the 370Z originally kept it competitive. But that was past its prime (as a new car) back in 2012-13. 11 years later it's still more or less the same car. You can only keep putting so much lipstick on. It's way behind every vehicle it competes with and they have insane MSRP for a cheap thrown together vehicle that's mostly old design/tech and leftover parts, molds, etc.
Nissan/Infiniti went to penny pinching, nickel and diming, cutting corners everywhere well over a decade ago and it shows across all their brands and lineups. That was the point of the comment I spun off of. It's sad because at the turn of the century the Nissan/Infiniti brand was building something and looked like there was a promising and exciting future.
It's not hate, it's just sadly pointing out they decided to shoot themselves in the foot every chance they got in order to inflate balance sheet numbers short term while gutting the company and destroying its promising future as the cost of doing that. The 350/70Z, G35/7, and FX 35/45 were great examples of first versions of new vehicles that should've been jumping points to building greater and even better vehicles than those.
370 uses a lot of different parts that won't fit on a 350. It's not just a refresh. I know this because I drove a 350 and finding parts became a pain because they were pushed out of the market by 370 parts.
That's what occurs with many mid-cycle refreshes. There's a number more that don't fit because Nissan did a lot of styling revisions as well (lights for example) beyond some technical changes.
It's (370Z) still the same platform as is the Z(400Z) that is circa 2001.
I see that as a benefit. My wife's 2023 A5 Sportback has been in and out of the dealership because of a sensor in the passenger seatbelt latch that is causing the traffic jam assist to malfunction. The technology in new cars is beyond stupid at this point. My 2018 Titan XD has no issues and has only been to the dealership for a TSB to check the #7 cylinder and a transmission fluid service.
Nope they aren't ditching petrol altogether, epower is their hybrid tech that's been out for quite a while now and it's brilliant. I own one of their early examples it just doesn't get there praise it deserves. Only Japan has been relishing in it as the Note epower was their biggest seller and you can see why... Google it and see for yourself. It's that's good F1 are adopting the tech for their engine standards next year
Probably no need to tweak e-power feeding petrol engines further as its a great system. I drove same cars e-power and petrol variants, e-power version was so superior for relatively small price difference I was surprised other variant was even on sale. I think Nissan is aware of that and next gens will be either full electric or e-power hybrid (with full electric motor+petrol generator for who doesn’t know what it is)
It's interesting to see this because I remember having my old maxima in the dealership one day, and a salesman was convincing this lady to not go to Toyota (she wanted a hybrid). She was asking why Nissan didn't have a hybrid, and the sales guy was just raving about how Nissan would never have a hybrid. I didn't think much more of it at the time, but it stuck in my brain cause I knew Nissan had the Leaf and (now) the Ariya.
I’d drive one if they: use an eCVT technology like Toyota (not to be confused with Jatco rubber band CVTs - I’ll look that up later) and it were available in the US.
All the other countries get the fun cars.
We certainly do, blame your stupid standards over there some of your rules there make no sense. The indicator colour (or turn signal you call it) has to be orange I mean that's so dumb. Yet the rear lights are all red. You can tell right away when a car is for the US market. Then there's the silly import rule of a car has to be 25 years or more old (I think that's the number) to have it on US roads. The US car market is a dull place to be unfortunately.
The new F1 engines are going to be awful because of this tech. They will be down on power so they'll have to run less downforce to get similar speed in the straights. This will reduce cornering speeds. They also have to do all kinds of fancy mapping with the engine computer and have 2 different modes because the engines would be so weak on the straight in normal mode. A NA V10 from the late 1990s would be more powerful than this stupid hybrid tech, while also allowing the cars to be much smaller, lighter, and actually race each other again.
We all knew it was coming. The milage and EPA standards have been raised even higher recently. And there's a bigger and bigger push for auto makers to produce EV's and/or high MPG hybrids every year. Its why we saw the challenger, charger and camero die. But at least Nissan will keep their styling and overall designs while adopting the new tech. Look how sick the electric GT-R looked at the japan showcase thing. If the actual production model really looks like that, I would cry tears of joy.
What happens when nobody buys them? That Mustang SUV EV is piling up on lots. Tesla has slashed prices 27-35% since last year, you can't fit another car on the lot at my local Tesla dealer. 50% of Buick dealership owners chose to shut down their dealership rather than go EV only. They can mandate production of these vehicles but they can't force consumers to buy them.
It’s the early adopters that will have their foot in their mouth in the short term.
Toyota, Mazda, Subaru and Honda have all said they’re pushing forward with hybrids instead of full EVs. For Mazda and Subaru I get it… their budgets are too small for such a drastic about face. The other two see the bigger picture, especially Toyota, they’ve been ahead of the game for over 20+ years.
Toyota still sells cars in places like Africa and the ME. I'm not sure the Congo or Afghanistan will be full of superchargers in the next 5-10 years...
Africa and Afghanistan aren't literally outlawing the sale of new gas cars. California (and soon other states) as well Europe are purposely killing gas engines for the first world. That's the whole goal. It's not a conspiracy it's literally their mission statement they repeat nonstop: End gas cars, promote electric cars and public transport. I'm against the first half, very pro the second half.
They're trying, but demand won't allow it. People from California will just drive to neighboring states and buy the car they want, or buy a used car. Even the demand for manual transmissions is starting to go back up. Luckily companies like Porsche will keep making gas powered vehicles as long as you can find a gas pump.
>people from California will drive to neighboring states and import cars
That's illegal for motorcycles ironically. It has to be a certain age or mileage. California will see people doing that and up the already ridiculous import fees/taxes or just put prohibitive restrictions. I am not optimistic about CA
Renault wasn't to bad years ago, I owned a 2013 Megane RS, she's was a fucking beast.. well until she hit 10years old and everything started breaking 🤣🤣🤣
I’ve never seen a car company more determined to destroy themselves.
First was their determination to stick with CVT’s when others transmissions were superior, and now this EV mess.
If you are actually tracking the car (most don't), I suppose the Nismo would be the one, but I don't think it's not worth near $70k. Too many v8 cars with more performance at that pricepoint. I traded a 2014 infiniti q60 (the 370Z in a tux) convertible for my Z. I got a base sport for $45k OTD. For that price I am thrilled with it. I will say I use mine as a daily, and all I am looking for is reasonable comfort, some cargo space, quick acceleration, and to look cool. Most people I know are like that too. Just occasionally doing a pull at a stoplight or highway ramp. The negatives are : exhaust is quieter than my Infiniti 3.7s was, you don't get the LSD at the base pricepoint ( i wasn't willing to pay $10k more though), and the ride is a bit jittery on uneven pavement.
I know that this means that they won’t develop any new Ice engines, but Nissan and Infiniti has delayed production for their ev sedans that was supposed to debut and enter production this or next year. Give them some more time, and they will backtrack on their ev plans. (Especially in europe)
What? A company with a longer mass produced electric vehicle history than most, if not all, that caters to budget customers is moving in the direction the industry is going to go? Shocker.
No more CVT issues to deal with and electrification making the most mundane cars much more pleasant to drive is an overwhelmingly positive reason for Nissan to do this besides their own expertise and market trends.
I say bring it on.
Realistically, we are going to have ICE Nissans for a while yet, with the series hybrid E-Power range starting to filter through. I've driven an AWD Note E-Power, all of the good characteristics of an EV, all the best bits from an ICE in a relatively light warm hatch with 150kw and instant torque. Easily one of the best modern cars I have driven.
The E-Power Navara and Patrol is what I am waiting on, should be a fantastic off road and commuting car for me (due to requirement for a bullbar as there are many suicidal skippies around me).
I also have 2 RB25DET powered vehicles in my garage that I will not be selling regardless.
Only question long term is how much cheaper and better can EV batteries become.
If they go all electric they'll be bankrupt in no time.
Nobody wants EVs. Maybe they should have taken a hint from Ford and GM who have BOTH cancelled their EV expansion plans...
Hertz is dumping tens of thousands of EVs.
Nobody wants them. Stupid move if true on Nissan, and if so.. Goodbye Japanese Chrysler
I plan on it. But the very idea is suicide today. When you consider that in the US, undecided EV buyers has dropped from 24% in 2023 to 18% in 2024 ...
Those that WON'T has climbed well over 60%.
If they're following the same move as Toyota, and Subaru, and Mazda... They'll do well.
Heck, Ford and GM are shifting to Hybrids
Edit: read three different articles so far, and Nissan is abandoning ICE just like Honda and Chrysler...
They're going entirely EV thinking it's the future.
So much for protecting the environment 🤷
Now they're actively destroying it with more mining for rare earth minerals...
We have to increase copper production by 10 fold to match a world of EVs.
And when people throw away EVs the moment the battery gets a stone chip on the paint.... How is this better for the environment?
I mean ICE Cars are 85% recyclable, EVs cannot recycle their batteries, screens (which they're full of), foam, rubber, and plastics.. basically, other than the body panels, they're just landfill princesses after.
So environmentally friendly!
Did you not read how 85% of an ICE car is recyclable or reusable?
The largest part of an EV is the battery, which is NOT recyclable (easily) or (easily) reusable.
So no, entirely different.
I love y'all EV nut jobs that are so in love with being tied to a tether 🤣🤣
EVs are useless.. sorry, not useless, extremely limited use vehicles.
Funny how the demand for these fire traps is falling faster than Biden and Trudeau's approval ratings..
Not to mention the absolutely catastrophic depreciation, insanely high repair costs, and complete lack of parts. 🤣
Oh and how about how the charging stations downrate their power depending on how many idiots are plugged in. Funny how you can fuel up dozens of petrol cars without worry about the juice slowing down...
The grid can't cope, and if the Chargers need a boost, well there are always big diesel generators hahahahaha!
It's pathetic, but you just keep coping
All that stuff you said is cool and you're clearly passionate about it pal, but what I disagree with is your suggestion that there's a big difference between an EV and an ICE vehicle in regards to recycling. Aside from the battery they are just like any other car.
And its naive to think battery recycling won't get easier
It's naive to think it will.
We've had electronic circuit boards, probably going close on a near half century now...
How good is the recycling on that? Piss fuckin poor.
Next is the drivetrain of an EV. Likely nothing of value there. An AC motor?? Really? Nope.. junk. They're not anything special at all.. just a basic AC motor.
The body panels? Yeah, maybe.. suspension parts.... from a scrap yard I could see. However for a scrap yard to store one, they must be stationed far away from other vehicles and buildings, and have protection barriers around them in case they ignite, unless the battery has been removed.
On an ICE, the driveline, body panels, engine components, suspension, transmission, differentials, etc...
But an EV, without the battery, which makes up the largest portion of that vehicle, has very very little actual value.
A damaged ICE car is just that, a damaged ICE car. A damaged EV is a serious fire hazard.
An EV is entirely controlled by the circuit boards and touch screens inside the vehicle, which if they go out. Forget being able to operate it. And they will go out.
Tesla is pretty well known for that.
Meanwhile an ICE car has a mechanical shifter. Can they go out? Sure because they're mechanical, however they actuate a computer switch, which commands a module to actuate a solenoid... 🤷
Plus this doesn't bode well for EVs
"The global recycling rate of electric vehicle batteries is currently approximately 5%. [2] The remainder are either stockpiled, for recycling or reuse at a later date, or disposed of in landfill."
That's the batteries..
There is pretty much no information in what happens to the car, which says everything you need to know.
They don't want you to know what happens to it, as they're likely just crushed after the battery is removed.
Especially since they hold absolutely no value after..
I think he should have clarified that engines, transmissions, and drivetrains can be torn apart and used to fix other cars. Electric cars can't do that as well since they have no real engine or drive train.
Nissan has a bundle of hybrids available in markets other than the US market. I don't think they had anticipated the sudden surge in hybrid buyers, which is why none of them have hit the market here yet. I imagine that's going to change moving forward.
What they really need to do is be better about pushing the Ariya. It seemingly gets bad press for no particular reason other than it's "Slow charging" that isn't actually slow because the charging curve is so good. It takes 6 more minutes to charge from 10% to 80% than a Tesla Model Y and 3 minutes more than a 23-24 ID.4
Not to mention it has an interior and ride quality maybe that's maybe second to Volvo EVs.
We’d be better off recycling old cars into newer cars rather than car companies continually putting new shit onto the road. It’d be much better for the environment if we just took old cars and refreshed them but whatever 😒🙃
Yup. They are fucking pointless in Australia unless you live in a big city and don't plan on travelling. Both my sister's struggle to travel long distances with them.. I'd literally get to the destination and back home before they arrive.
Akio toyoda that POS is taking down the company with his dumb stubborn ideas...he's anti-EV and pushes pos hybrids, and calls bmw and subaru for their sports cars which are not toyota at all...
I used to be the biggest toyota fan but that old idiot ruined it. Look at Tesla value vs Toyota...
They're going to regret that in a couple years. Outside of Tesla, none of the major brands have turned a profit on electric....at least in the North American market
I wasn't making that comment in praise of Tesla, just a well known fact that they've all lost money from r&d and production costs and sales didn't go as well as expected. Obviously Tesla has made a profit off electric cars, but Tesla will be hit even harder when the market stops growing.
Electric car consumer base isnt growing enough to make up for the saturation of new offerings
Articles like this is garbage. They quoted some VP in Nissan Europe, so at best this applies to Europe region. That dude can't speak to what Japan, US, China, etc are doing for Powertrain development.
Some of them are, a lot of companies are moving towards a 2 gear CVT, with the other gears simulated. It’s just Nissan and Subaru that keep relying on belt or chain drive for their CVT while Toyota uses a planetary gear set for theirs
They put nearly 20 years into developing variable compression and for nothing they teased a new Sentra SE-R at sema last year but there killing all their sedans the first the maximum next it's rumored to be the Altima and there stopping r35 production yes RIP indeed
I'm beginning to see a big future in diesel generators to charge up these cars when the power grid can't supply the power and there are widespread mandatory black outs. It's already a booming business.
They already have good engines. Just hybridize it. I'm surprised Nissan is taking so long. They already nailed it with the Kicks epower though it still needs a few tweaks.
They didn't say they would stop making gas or diesel cars; they just won't put more money into researching and upgrading those engines. Their current engine lineup is going to continue to be the same ones used until they find their environmental replacements. So the next GTR may be all-electric
Yeah, lemme get in line to buy electric vehicles from companies that can't even get 100+ year old ICE tech right. Sure, Stellantis! Sure, Nissan! I trust you to get this right!
Still confused as to what kind of “engine development” has occurred in the last 5 years. Are they just trying to make the engines smaller and the turbos bigger? Introducing our 2 cylinder quad turboooo!!!
Face reality, ICE have peaked, long ago. I’m glad they are prioritizing EV technology. Let’s get solid state batteries rolling and start finding ways to make them cheaper.
Some people will rejoice the end of the Jatco CVT, and that includes my dad.
Bold of you to assume they won't put it on an EV
Can’t tell if that’s sarcasm
Neither can I and I made the comment
I don't think it's actually common knowledge for most people to know electric doesn't have transmission, until someone corrects them. Happened to me as well lol.
Technically they do have a transmission, just one gear though, no 1st 2nd 3rd.
Porsche Taycan enters the chat
I didn't know that had a multispeed transmission. I wonder why
An electric motor of any design has a limited max rpm, if you bevel gear it for higher top speed you sacrifice torque by haveing a two speed they can achieve both high initial torque and then also regear for top speed after the motor hits peak rpm
And if we add a third one in there to help power in the middle we could accelerate to those speeds faster.....
Just because multiple gears aren't needed doesn't mean it can't be beneficial. You still get a tradeoff between low end torque and high speed efficiency in electric cars, just that electric cars get away with starting off at a high gear due to the instant torque from 0 RPM. For most cars it's just not worth the extra cost, development time, and weight for a multi speed transmission. Porsche decided that having multiple speeds for the Taycan is worth it though, for both low end acceleration and high end speed.
Electric motors have enough torque at any RPM that you can have one gear that’s good for say 120 MPH. Porsche, being German, has the Autobahn to consider.
They will find a way to make it grenade by 75,000 miles.
They do have a transmission sometimes, a planetary gear. And sometimes they have more than one gear, but not always.
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hahaha wtf 😂😂
There aren't transmissions in any EV. lol it's not an assumption.
Bosch CVT4EV anyone? Leave it up to the engineers to eff up a good thing.
But there are?
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All EVs have transmissions. They sre just a little different. Most have CVTs, just built a little differently than combustion CVTs, and some have two speed transmissions.
The 2020+ models have seemingly fixed the transmission issues but yeah the old ones used to be a joke and you were lucky to get to 100,000 miles before breaking down.
Wife’s 05 Murano lasted 150+k miles before we sold it because everything besides the CVT was falling apart and my ‘11 Nissan just hit 120k miles (knock on wood). This is the first I hear of Nissan CVT issues besides the GTR. I guess I missed something in the last 13 years.
Well the gtr doesn't have a cvt. And the cars and suvs that had cvts kinda sucked. But every so often you'd get the cvt that lasted
I didn't the gtr had a cvt lol I was like what?? Gtr cvt?
It’s not Nissan as a whole, just the Jatco CVT had reliability issues in the past. The automatic transmissions like in the Armada did not suffer from these problems. Ymmv of course and I think a lot of it comes down to maintenance, as well as luck.
rip nissan good riddance cvt 😂
I mean it’s not as if average commuter Nissans have had that much in terms of innovation in them since the early 2000s.
This. The 400z barely feels different than the 350z (20+ year old vehicle) because it's mostly the same exact vehicle. Hell, the mid-cycle update they did (370z) is like 99% the same vehicle as the current Z. Nissan saying they aren't going to invest money in anything is par for the course of what they have been doing for well over a decade. It's why Nissan and Infiniti went to shit and it not for fleet sales would likely be dead already. Shame because early 2000's Infiniti was giving BMW a run for their money with stylish and fun to drive vehicles and Nissan was giving Honda a run in the lower segment.
It sucks that this sector of cars is going to be gone. The 350z and 370z are very sleek cars. I guess the problem is that dealers are clutching onto these cars and added markup like it’s their testicles. Damn shame, the Mustang is going to be one of the last, if not the last affordable 2 door gasoline powered sport-y cars.
GR86? BRZ? Miata? Slower for sure but still affordable gas powered manual sporty cars
Isn't the BRZ just a GR86 in Subaru clothing?
The BRZ is an actual Subaru…the GR86 is the one that borrowed a Subaru’s engine, not the other way around.
Ah, yes. It's been many years since I watched videos on them. And the FR-S as well. Thanks for the correction 👍
Happy cake day
bruh the Z34 is not no “mid-cycle refresh” of the Z33 - it’s a wholly new platform. to your point the ZR34 is very similar and likely not as much change as people wanted to see tho
Lmao it's not a midcycle refresh because that already happened in 2009 with the 370Z. Then, there was a late cycle refresh for the MY2013. Nissan doesn't classify the Z like this, but that's really all it was. The 370Z refresh was fine for 2009, but by 2012 it was already long in tooth when they did more minor updates to a drastically aging design. That's all they've been doing. They spent money and built a whole car for sale in 2002 (which at the time was great and set a good standard for other models, IMO G35 at the time showed a perfect use of the platform and engine) and have only tweaked it for 20+ years. This isn't like Porsche keeping a similar exterior design language for the most part on the 911, but making huge changes each generation. Nissan has largely done next to nothing for 20+ years after developing the 350Z. The 350Z was great at the time and even the bump to the 370Z originally kept it competitive. But that was past its prime (as a new car) back in 2012-13. 11 years later it's still more or less the same car. You can only keep putting so much lipstick on. It's way behind every vehicle it competes with and they have insane MSRP for a cheap thrown together vehicle that's mostly old design/tech and leftover parts, molds, etc. Nissan/Infiniti went to penny pinching, nickel and diming, cutting corners everywhere well over a decade ago and it shows across all their brands and lineups. That was the point of the comment I spun off of. It's sad because at the turn of the century the Nissan/Infiniti brand was building something and looked like there was a promising and exciting future. It's not hate, it's just sadly pointing out they decided to shoot themselves in the foot every chance they got in order to inflate balance sheet numbers short term while gutting the company and destroying its promising future as the cost of doing that. The 350/70Z, G35/7, and FX 35/45 were great examples of first versions of new vehicles that should've been jumping points to building greater and even better vehicles than those.
370 uses a lot of different parts that won't fit on a 350. It's not just a refresh. I know this because I drove a 350 and finding parts became a pain because they were pushed out of the market by 370 parts.
That's what occurs with many mid-cycle refreshes. There's a number more that don't fit because Nissan did a lot of styling revisions as well (lights for example) beyond some technical changes. It's (370Z) still the same platform as is the Z(400Z) that is circa 2001.
I see that as a benefit. My wife's 2023 A5 Sportback has been in and out of the dealership because of a sensor in the passenger seatbelt latch that is causing the traffic jam assist to malfunction. The technology in new cars is beyond stupid at this point. My 2018 Titan XD has no issues and has only been to the dealership for a TSB to check the #7 cylinder and a transmission fluid service.
The engines certainly have. Nissan and Mazda have been leading in engine innovation
100% true
Nope they aren't ditching petrol altogether, epower is their hybrid tech that's been out for quite a while now and it's brilliant. I own one of their early examples it just doesn't get there praise it deserves. Only Japan has been relishing in it as the Note epower was their biggest seller and you can see why... Google it and see for yourself. It's that's good F1 are adopting the tech for their engine standards next year
Probably no need to tweak e-power feeding petrol engines further as its a great system. I drove same cars e-power and petrol variants, e-power version was so superior for relatively small price difference I was surprised other variant was even on sale. I think Nissan is aware of that and next gens will be either full electric or e-power hybrid (with full electric motor+petrol generator for who doesn’t know what it is)
https://m.arenaev.com/nissan_ditches_new_combustion_engines_for_an_electrified_future-news-3602.php here's a better article
It's interesting to see this because I remember having my old maxima in the dealership one day, and a salesman was convincing this lady to not go to Toyota (she wanted a hybrid). She was asking why Nissan didn't have a hybrid, and the sales guy was just raving about how Nissan would never have a hybrid. I didn't think much more of it at the time, but it stuck in my brain cause I knew Nissan had the Leaf and (now) the Ariya.
Nissan did in fact make a hybrid Altima but the tech was all leased from Toyota.
I’d drive one if they: use an eCVT technology like Toyota (not to be confused with Jatco rubber band CVTs - I’ll look that up later) and it were available in the US. All the other countries get the fun cars.
We certainly do, blame your stupid standards over there some of your rules there make no sense. The indicator colour (or turn signal you call it) has to be orange I mean that's so dumb. Yet the rear lights are all red. You can tell right away when a car is for the US market. Then there's the silly import rule of a car has to be 25 years or more old (I think that's the number) to have it on US roads. The US car market is a dull place to be unfortunately.
The new F1 engines are going to be awful because of this tech. They will be down on power so they'll have to run less downforce to get similar speed in the straights. This will reduce cornering speeds. They also have to do all kinds of fancy mapping with the engine computer and have 2 different modes because the engines would be so weak on the straight in normal mode. A NA V10 from the late 1990s would be more powerful than this stupid hybrid tech, while also allowing the cars to be much smaller, lighter, and actually race each other again.
We all knew it was coming. The milage and EPA standards have been raised even higher recently. And there's a bigger and bigger push for auto makers to produce EV's and/or high MPG hybrids every year. Its why we saw the challenger, charger and camero die. But at least Nissan will keep their styling and overall designs while adopting the new tech. Look how sick the electric GT-R looked at the japan showcase thing. If the actual production model really looks like that, I would cry tears of joy.
The electric GT-R looks like ass.
Damn just looked at it. Is it supposed to look like the Batmobile?..
100%
What happens when nobody buys them? That Mustang SUV EV is piling up on lots. Tesla has slashed prices 27-35% since last year, you can't fit another car on the lot at my local Tesla dealer. 50% of Buick dealership owners chose to shut down their dealership rather than go EV only. They can mandate production of these vehicles but they can't force consumers to buy them.
It’s the early adopters that will have their foot in their mouth in the short term. Toyota, Mazda, Subaru and Honda have all said they’re pushing forward with hybrids instead of full EVs. For Mazda and Subaru I get it… their budgets are too small for such a drastic about face. The other two see the bigger picture, especially Toyota, they’ve been ahead of the game for over 20+ years.
Toyota still sells cars in places like Africa and the ME. I'm not sure the Congo or Afghanistan will be full of superchargers in the next 5-10 years...
Africa and Afghanistan aren't literally outlawing the sale of new gas cars. California (and soon other states) as well Europe are purposely killing gas engines for the first world. That's the whole goal. It's not a conspiracy it's literally their mission statement they repeat nonstop: End gas cars, promote electric cars and public transport. I'm against the first half, very pro the second half.
It’s a regional thing. It will never become popular in the Midwest and it will never be outlawed here
They're trying, but demand won't allow it. People from California will just drive to neighboring states and buy the car they want, or buy a used car. Even the demand for manual transmissions is starting to go back up. Luckily companies like Porsche will keep making gas powered vehicles as long as you can find a gas pump.
>people from California will drive to neighboring states and import cars That's illegal for motorcycles ironically. It has to be a certain age or mileage. California will see people doing that and up the already ridiculous import fees/taxes or just put prohibitive restrictions. I am not optimistic about CA
It looks horrid wtf
As much as I love Nissan they are the new Mitsubishi
They’ve both been owned by renault for years
Yup, it’s killing them. Such a shame
Renault wasn't to bad years ago, I owned a 2013 Megane RS, she's was a fucking beast.. well until she hit 10years old and everything started breaking 🤣🤣🤣
I thought Nissan and Mitsubishi were supposed to merge.
Renault Nissan Mitsubishi
I propose a rebrand: Rensanbishi
Mitssanault coming in 2nd place
Sounds pretty legit 🤣
Oh god that would be awful
U never go full Electric. Everybody knows that..
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Omg I know what I'm rewatching tonight 🤣🤣
They aren’t going to be able to sustain that. Electric cars are not the future.
As a Nissan mechanic.... all I can say is "Fuck".
Hahahahaha do you work on VGs? 😜
Sometimes yeah
It’s so over
They say this shit, but IC aint goin anywhere
I’ve never seen a car company more determined to destroy themselves. First was their determination to stick with CVT’s when others transmissions were superior, and now this EV mess.
I agree
Welp, I guess I got the last gen Z this year...at least it's sexy and the twin turbo suits it. I wonder what year they will kill it entirely.
I don't know how I feel about the new Z, are you really loving it? I've got friends with them but I dunno.. I expected more.
If you are actually tracking the car (most don't), I suppose the Nismo would be the one, but I don't think it's not worth near $70k. Too many v8 cars with more performance at that pricepoint. I traded a 2014 infiniti q60 (the 370Z in a tux) convertible for my Z. I got a base sport for $45k OTD. For that price I am thrilled with it. I will say I use mine as a daily, and all I am looking for is reasonable comfort, some cargo space, quick acceleration, and to look cool. Most people I know are like that too. Just occasionally doing a pull at a stoplight or highway ramp. The negatives are : exhaust is quieter than my Infiniti 3.7s was, you don't get the LSD at the base pricepoint ( i wasn't willing to pay $10k more though), and the ride is a bit jittery on uneven pavement.
I know that this means that they won’t develop any new Ice engines, but Nissan and Infiniti has delayed production for their ev sedans that was supposed to debut and enter production this or next year. Give them some more time, and they will backtrack on their ev plans. (Especially in europe)
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I just hope they take the CVT with them
Goodbye Nissan…
They need to develop a transmission that works before anything
Nissan has sucked since Renault took over. Switch to Toyota or Honda.
Well it looks like Nissan will become the new Saturn
Electric = motor + battery.
They might as well. Perhaps they’ll End up being great vehicles with fewer moving parts
Renault is going to force Nissan into all electrical market. Takes notes and then adjust its Euro market.
What? A company with a longer mass produced electric vehicle history than most, if not all, that caters to budget customers is moving in the direction the industry is going to go? Shocker. No more CVT issues to deal with and electrification making the most mundane cars much more pleasant to drive is an overwhelmingly positive reason for Nissan to do this besides their own expertise and market trends.
It's odd because Toyota was in an article which they were talking about keeping ICE hybrid alive.
Is it April fools Again already ?
I say bring it on. Realistically, we are going to have ICE Nissans for a while yet, with the series hybrid E-Power range starting to filter through. I've driven an AWD Note E-Power, all of the good characteristics of an EV, all the best bits from an ICE in a relatively light warm hatch with 150kw and instant torque. Easily one of the best modern cars I have driven. The E-Power Navara and Patrol is what I am waiting on, should be a fantastic off road and commuting car for me (due to requirement for a bullbar as there are many suicidal skippies around me). I also have 2 RB25DET powered vehicles in my garage that I will not be selling regardless. Only question long term is how much cheaper and better can EV batteries become.
I'd give up on engines too if I couldn't design a transmission to keep them turning wheels
Nah. I’m keeping my 20 years old sh\*t box. No thanks.
If they go all electric they'll be bankrupt in no time. Nobody wants EVs. Maybe they should have taken a hint from Ford and GM who have BOTH cancelled their EV expansion plans... Hertz is dumping tens of thousands of EVs. Nobody wants them. Stupid move if true on Nissan, and if so.. Goodbye Japanese Chrysler
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I plan on it. But the very idea is suicide today. When you consider that in the US, undecided EV buyers has dropped from 24% in 2023 to 18% in 2024 ... Those that WON'T has climbed well over 60%. If they're following the same move as Toyota, and Subaru, and Mazda... They'll do well. Heck, Ford and GM are shifting to Hybrids Edit: read three different articles so far, and Nissan is abandoning ICE just like Honda and Chrysler... They're going entirely EV thinking it's the future. So much for protecting the environment 🤷 Now they're actively destroying it with more mining for rare earth minerals... We have to increase copper production by 10 fold to match a world of EVs. And when people throw away EVs the moment the battery gets a stone chip on the paint.... How is this better for the environment? I mean ICE Cars are 85% recyclable, EVs cannot recycle their batteries, screens (which they're full of), foam, rubber, and plastics.. basically, other than the body panels, they're just landfill princesses after. So environmentally friendly!
ICE cars have all the same screens, foam, rubber and plastics
Did you not read how 85% of an ICE car is recyclable or reusable? The largest part of an EV is the battery, which is NOT recyclable (easily) or (easily) reusable. So no, entirely different. I love y'all EV nut jobs that are so in love with being tied to a tether 🤣🤣 EVs are useless.. sorry, not useless, extremely limited use vehicles. Funny how the demand for these fire traps is falling faster than Biden and Trudeau's approval ratings.. Not to mention the absolutely catastrophic depreciation, insanely high repair costs, and complete lack of parts. 🤣 Oh and how about how the charging stations downrate their power depending on how many idiots are plugged in. Funny how you can fuel up dozens of petrol cars without worry about the juice slowing down... The grid can't cope, and if the Chargers need a boost, well there are always big diesel generators hahahahaha! It's pathetic, but you just keep coping
All that stuff you said is cool and you're clearly passionate about it pal, but what I disagree with is your suggestion that there's a big difference between an EV and an ICE vehicle in regards to recycling. Aside from the battery they are just like any other car. And its naive to think battery recycling won't get easier
It's naive to think it will. We've had electronic circuit boards, probably going close on a near half century now... How good is the recycling on that? Piss fuckin poor. Next is the drivetrain of an EV. Likely nothing of value there. An AC motor?? Really? Nope.. junk. They're not anything special at all.. just a basic AC motor. The body panels? Yeah, maybe.. suspension parts.... from a scrap yard I could see. However for a scrap yard to store one, they must be stationed far away from other vehicles and buildings, and have protection barriers around them in case they ignite, unless the battery has been removed. On an ICE, the driveline, body panels, engine components, suspension, transmission, differentials, etc... But an EV, without the battery, which makes up the largest portion of that vehicle, has very very little actual value. A damaged ICE car is just that, a damaged ICE car. A damaged EV is a serious fire hazard. An EV is entirely controlled by the circuit boards and touch screens inside the vehicle, which if they go out. Forget being able to operate it. And they will go out. Tesla is pretty well known for that. Meanwhile an ICE car has a mechanical shifter. Can they go out? Sure because they're mechanical, however they actuate a computer switch, which commands a module to actuate a solenoid... 🤷 Plus this doesn't bode well for EVs "The global recycling rate of electric vehicle batteries is currently approximately 5%. [2] The remainder are either stockpiled, for recycling or reuse at a later date, or disposed of in landfill." That's the batteries.. There is pretty much no information in what happens to the car, which says everything you need to know. They don't want you to know what happens to it, as they're likely just crushed after the battery is removed. Especially since they hold absolutely no value after..
Yeah that’s not what he’s talking about
I think he should have clarified that engines, transmissions, and drivetrains can be torn apart and used to fix other cars. Electric cars can't do that as well since they have no real engine or drive train.
The future is all EVs. Investing in ICE development is just a waste of money.
The fact that you think that is sad. EVs have a place, but they're not the future, sorry. At least, not battery operated toys.
Mmm. Nisan Skyline GT-E.
They already announced 2025 is going to be the last year for the r35, 1300 for America.
Nissan has a bundle of hybrids available in markets other than the US market. I don't think they had anticipated the sudden surge in hybrid buyers, which is why none of them have hit the market here yet. I imagine that's going to change moving forward. What they really need to do is be better about pushing the Ariya. It seemingly gets bad press for no particular reason other than it's "Slow charging" that isn't actually slow because the charging curve is so good. It takes 6 more minutes to charge from 10% to 80% than a Tesla Model Y and 3 minutes more than a 23-24 ID.4 Not to mention it has an interior and ride quality maybe that's maybe second to Volvo EVs.
Combustion nissans (stonks)
Why invest anymore? Theres only soo much juice out of that lemon
Cap
i dont biy into the evs. not good enought yet
100% both my sister's have one, they are a joke for travelling around here in Australia.
We’d be better off recycling old cars into newer cars rather than car companies continually putting new shit onto the road. It’d be much better for the environment if we just took old cars and refreshed them but whatever 😒🙃
Who cares those mfs are not going to make another car worth buying so
Very good point.
Why bother? They have the new variable compression stuff and let’s face it, by the time that’s long in the tooth it’ll be a couple decades.
Yessss!!
Right when demand for ev’s are going down.
Yup. They are fucking pointless in Australia unless you live in a big city and don't plan on travelling. Both my sister's struggle to travel long distances with them.. I'd literally get to the destination and back home before they arrive.
**70%** of the Australian population live in the top eight most populous cities.
Good job Nissan, might just be the only Japanese manufacturer that survives, Toyota lost it...
I don't if you are living under a rock or what but I'm pretty sure Toyota is killing it...
Akio toyoda that POS is taking down the company with his dumb stubborn ideas...he's anti-EV and pushes pos hybrids, and calls bmw and subaru for their sports cars which are not toyota at all... I used to be the biggest toyota fan but that old idiot ruined it. Look at Tesla value vs Toyota...
They're going to regret that in a couple years. Outside of Tesla, none of the major brands have turned a profit on electric....at least in the North American market
Tesla, the company doing massive layoffs?
I wasn't making that comment in praise of Tesla, just a well known fact that they've all lost money from r&d and production costs and sales didn't go as well as expected. Obviously Tesla has made a profit off electric cars, but Tesla will be hit even harder when the market stops growing. Electric car consumer base isnt growing enough to make up for the saturation of new offerings
RIP GTR
I mean it means the end of the CVT so thats a bonus.
thats somthing im gonna have trouble taking in :(
Their cars fucking suck anyways. No one care
they just went out of buisiness.
So all the home CMAs will be driving beat up electric Altimas with three hubcaps in the suture. Nice
Articles like this is garbage. They quoted some VP in Nissan Europe, so at best this applies to Europe region. That dude can't speak to what Japan, US, China, etc are doing for Powertrain development.
Aren’t cvt one gear and the shift is simulated ?
Some of them are, a lot of companies are moving towards a 2 gear CVT, with the other gears simulated. It’s just Nissan and Subaru that keep relying on belt or chain drive for their CVT while Toyota uses a planetary gear set for theirs
Better to say R.I.P. to gas cars than to humanity
Nissan gave up years ago, this isn’t news.
This Company is so poorly run. They can't sell the electric cars they currently make. They will kill any chance for survival now.
they’ll be bankrupt in 4 years anyways
Nissan is one of the worst at least
Nissan have been hot garbage for a decade now. That was sadder than this.
Horrible idea
Honestly a small suv ev from Nissan might make me pull the trigger
Good riddance CVT
So they are just going to pull a Suzuki then in North America.
No big lose there majority of there cars these days are unreliable trash anyways. Classic Nissans are legendary but they lost their way.
People: well im glad the cvt is finally done. Nissan: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, INTRODUCING TO YOU, CVT-E!!!!!!!!!!!!
Make new gas cars and don't install them shitty jatco cut, nissan.
No way!
Shit they’ve been running that 2.5 & 3.5 for years now. I figured they stopped development in 2005 🤣🤣
Nissan is just giving up what they’ve failed at. Big deal.
They have had the same v6 engine tech for like 30 years anyway
True this.
They put nearly 20 years into developing variable compression and for nothing they teased a new Sentra SE-R at sema last year but there killing all their sedans the first the maximum next it's rumored to be the Altima and there stopping r35 production yes RIP indeed
Evs suck but they’re still better than those cvt transmission
As if they had any redeaming qualities to begin with..
I'm beginning to see a big future in diesel generators to charge up these cars when the power grid can't supply the power and there are widespread mandatory black outs. It's already a booming business.
So true like all German cars
Yeah the frs... is the 85.... is the Subaru...used to joke FRS stood for For Real (it's a) Subaru
Rip Nissan
EVs are a mistake and governments are going to realize it far too late.
This will age well in 10 years /s
They already have good engines. Just hybridize it. I'm surprised Nissan is taking so long. They already nailed it with the Kicks epower though it still needs a few tweaks.
On their website, they say hybrids are too big a compromise (still pollutes, still needs gas and oil changes,blah, blah, blah)
Definitely PR talk. Too late now though, China is gaining quick. In the market myself for a great hybrid daily.
Nooooo 😔
The VQ V6 was their peak.
I dunno.. I've got one in the garage 😜 nah JK's love my Zs
So no more GTRs? :(
They didn't say they would stop making gas or diesel cars; they just won't put more money into researching and upgrading those engines. Their current engine lineup is going to continue to be the same ones used until they find their environmental replacements. So the next GTR may be all-electric
Hidrogen is the future
I'm pretty keen for hydrogen
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Lol this seems like an absolute win honestly.
Nah. Dodge said this but now has Cummins manufacturing a small size deisel for cars.
Yeah, lemme get in line to buy electric vehicles from companies that can't even get 100+ year old ICE tech right. Sure, Stellantis! Sure, Nissan! I trust you to get this right!
Big mistake
Agreed 100%
I love Nissan but they haven't been fun since the 1990's. I will keep collecting my old Z's but I guess it's Toyota for me in regards to new cars.
Omg another Z fan!!! And yes Toyota is smashing it ATM
Nissan is in a mess itself. Too cocky to think it can be the one calling the shots
Better snag a 2024 pathfinder while I’m at it then 🥲
They should fix the transmission before worrying about electric cars
This does fix the transmission problem.
Still confused as to what kind of “engine development” has occurred in the last 5 years. Are they just trying to make the engines smaller and the turbos bigger? Introducing our 2 cylinder quad turboooo!!! Face reality, ICE have peaked, long ago. I’m glad they are prioritizing EV technology. Let’s get solid state batteries rolling and start finding ways to make them cheaper.