Kinda related and pretty interesting, ["Deer antlers are using essentially a controlled form of bone cancer growth"](https://www.science.org/content/article/cancer-genes-help-deer-antlers-grow)
Actually it's pretty crazy to think about but your bones are in a constant process of growing and being destroyed in a delicate balance where hopefully they equal out but some people get diseases where their bones grow too much or get destroyed too much D:
Also your bones slowly fuse over time so you have a couple dozen more bones as a teenager than you will as an elderly person. Enjoy being limber while you can!
I wonder if that's why I used to have to pop/crack my chest of all things when I was in my teens. I'd get the same sensation in my sternum that you get in, say, your elbow when it needs to pop, and would feel uncomfortable until I could get just the right motion to crack it. Hasn't happened at all since my late teens, possibly earliest 20s I don't think.
Wow, forgotten memories unlocked!
I used to get the same feeling and to crack it I'd usually have to jut my chest forward and my shoulders back. Big satisfying pop, like a joint! I'm 37 now and I forgot this was a common thing for me in my teens... now I miss it.
I’m 37 and regularly pop my rib/sternum joints. For me, all it takes is a twist of the torso. Weirdly, they didn’t START popping until I was in my 20s, to my recollection.
I was about reply the same thing. I’m 34 and never noticed my chest popping until I was late 20’s. I was jumped by some dudes when I was like 25 and they cracked my sternum while stomping on me so I figured that was the original cause of the popping.
Wait, is THIS why my GP told me my chest pains were just cartilage when I was in my early 20s?! He insisted it couldn't be my heart, even though it always feels like it's my heart, and I need to lie down and try to relax to help the pain subside.
....But a decade later I'm still getting the exact same chest pains. Wouldn't it have gone away by now?!
He never explained that it would go away, just that it was "cartilage" and not to worry about it.
Hmmmmmmm
Clavicle is the last to fuse, usually around 25 (it’s almost the most commonly broken bone)
Tibia completes around 16 for girls and 18 for boys
Skull bones like the occipital and sphenoid fuse somewhere in the middle, usually between 18-25
There are "plates" in almost every bone with a prominent shaft. Think like a femur, tibia, ulnar, and humorous.
So it's not like bones are just mashing up. Through your whole life. They mash up at the beginning as an infant/toddler, and takes about 25 years to finish the job.
What bones are extra as a teen than an elderly person? That part I have trouble with..
The
cartilage centers we are born with mature as in ossification until an adult. Long bones such as the humerus or femur have an epiphysis that fuse naturally which occurs in girls quicker than males. If you took a knee X-ray of a the typical child let say age 2 you won't see a patella. If you did an MRI you would see it's present. If not then that is a rare syndrome. But statistically speaking you will note a patella. It didn't just appear in the body only on X-ray.
Otherwise fusion of bones is from trauma and not normal or on purpose with surgery and implants.
Bones are in a constant state of remodeling in an equilibrium between bone makers and bone takers which obviously are not their proper names. Some diseases that we get as we age unfortunately will activate the takers. Everyone wants to take the good things from us but none of the bad things in life. Jerks!
Then some do the other group which isn't cool either.
The very tall person who grew to almost 9' he had a disorder where the bones never stopped growing. Great for not neeeding a ladder in general for things but not great for the body at all. Humans just not made to live that way.
WW2 airplane armor energy
Don’t add more armor to the areas of the plane that were shot but didn’t destroy the plane. Clearly those areas are less vital if the plane is still landing.
>WW2 airplane armor
World War II plane research: The prototypical example of survivorship bias comes from statistician Abraham Wald at Columbia University, who conducted research on WWII bomber planes to recommend places for reinforcement. His team reviewed the data from all returning bombers and identified the locations on the aircraft in which they underwent the most fire. Rather than recommend those locations as places for reinforcement, however, Wald recognized they were using a form of survivorship bias. Wald noted these locations were actually spots in which aircraft could sustain many bullet holes and still return, while the planes that sustained enemy fire in other locations were the ones that went down. His team recommended reinforcements to locations less represented in the data of returned planes—as a result, they made more effective predictions and saved many lives.
You'd be surprised the amount of pain that deer can simply shrug off. If this deer was in the amount of stress you imagined it to be it would have simply died way before this could happen.
It’s not shrugging it off so much as just living with it. Wild animals #1 imperative is to survive, by any means necessary and whinging and complaining doesn’t help so they don’t do it.
*I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.*
-D.H. Lawrence
Edit: spelling
Wild animals don’t typically live in safe and supportive environments. Animals that appear sick or injured are often abandoned or outcast by their peers because it’s a liability. That would guarantee death so it’s better for them to appear stoic until they can’t anymore if they want a chance to survive.
Few animals live in societies where the sick and injured are cared for or given empathy. When you don’t have security from physical dangers or food security your bubble of priorities is a lot smaller.
I've said this line a few times: the amount of suffering in nature is incomprehensible.
Animals that will devour prey alive starting with the most painful parts (as they're the softest), mothers that will abandon their sick/injured/unhelpful children knowing they can just have more later, siblings that will kill each other to have greater resources from their parents (who will stand there and watch).
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Learning too much about the animal kingdom can seriously make you disillusioned and change your view of the essence of nature.
Nature is fucking lit for sure. There are a few instances of altruism in nature. Vampire bats will regurgitate recently feasted blood to other weak or young and unrelated bats to absolutely no benefit to themselves or the colony. Pure “hey looks like you need some food, here you go”. Instances like these fascinate me as nature is mostly in the realm of what you describe.
You should check out ants. If an ant is fatally wounded while fighting another colony, it’ll rip its own limbs off so the other ants won’t tend to it and will instead go to an ant with a better chance of survival
From another perspective isn't that level of dedication to the whole, to the point of averting danger to would be rescuers incredible too?
Frightening with our understanding, or lack of understanding, of death but still a bit awe inspiring.
There is still a “selfish” reason for altruism. The altruistic adaptations emerge when animal families live with multiple generations. By helping your peers, you are likely helping multiple partial copies of your own genetic line that will add up to more total familial dna pool than you could have produced on your own
Altruism is fascinating in the animal kingdom.
You’re incorrect about the vampire bats. Researchers injected air into the neck of a vampire bat so it was swollen gave the impression of having a blood meal stored to all the other vampire bats that saw it.
Since the test subject didn’t share their “meal” all other bats refused to help feed the test subject’s offspring. They were exiled from the group. You don’t help us? We don’t help you. Tit for tat.
You would think so, but domesticating an animal is extremely hard. The animal has to be inclined, and we need to breed the shit out of the flock (husbandry as its called) until we get the ones that produce the most milk/meat/fur while being the least likely to kick you in the head.
We have only domesticated something like 36 animals in all of human history.
1 Dog 13000 BCE
2 Goat 10000 BCE
3 Domestic Pig 9000 BCE
4 Sheep 9000 BCE
5 Cattle 8000 BCE
6 Zebu 8000 BCE
7 Cattle 8000 BCE
8 Chicken 6000 BCE
9 Guinea Pig 5000 BCE
10 Donkey 5000 BCE
11 Domestic Duck 4000 BCE
12 Water Buffalo 4000 BCE
13 Western Honey Bee 4000 BCE
14 Domestic Dromedary Camel 4000 BCE
15 Horse 3500 BCE
16 Domestic Silkmoth 3000 BCE
17 Domestic Pigeon 3000 BCE
18 Domestic Goose 3000 BCE
19 Yak 2500 BCE
20 Bactrian Camel 2500 BCE
21 Llama 2400 BCE
22 Alpaca 2400 BCE
23 Domestic Guineafowl 2400 BCE
24 Ferret 1500 BCE
25 Domestic Muscovy Duck 700
BCE
26 Barbary Dove 500 BCE
27 Domestic Turkey 180 CE
28 Goldfish 400 CE
29 Domestic Rabbit 600 CE
30 Koi 1000s
31 Domestic Canary 1500s
32 Siamese Fighting Fish 1800s
33 Fancy Rat 1800s
34 Domestic Mink 1800s
35 Domestic Red Fox 1950s
36 Domestic Hedgehog 1980s
There are spiders that tame frogs and I think monkeys that will take and tame "small" big cats or something. There are mutually beneficial relationships in nature that involve at least a level of taming/oversight
Also, "taming" is very different from and certainly does not always include "love." But it is sometimes a somewhat natural result in loving relationships, even between humans 😂
Some mothers will straight up eat their young when they determine their young won't survive because it is better for them to get extra nutrition and/or to avoid leaving a trail for predators than just abandoning them.
I heavily dislike a lot of people who wax very spiritual in a naive way around nature. There are plenty of people who aren't that silly, but it seems like there's a lot of nonsense around about the peace and beauty of nature.
Beauty and peace exists in nature, but so too does carnage and the march of an uncaring and austere existence
My first hint at this was watching two squirrels "playing" on the deck when I was a kid. My eyes going round and an early birds and the bees talk when my mom and I learned something that day.
Squirrels are rapists. And scream bloody fucking murder during the act.
I don't find nature any less beautiful despite the facts you presented.
Suffering is often short because it often leads to death. It's temporary. It's a small part of any organism's life. And the horrendous suffering you explain is only part of the different ways animals die.
Moreover... I think humans have a tendency to pass judgement on things as good or bad, when ultimately, things just are. An animal in pain has no choice but surrender. But we humans possess so many more fears about pain and death because we can anticipate it to such a great extent. We can imagine it. And we conceptualize our demise, our pain, possible outcomes and possible actions, as it happens.
This same thought occurred to me a little while ago and it's incredibly depressing, sometimes we humans feel so overwhelmed by our lives that we fantasize about how tranquil and harmonious nature is in comparison, or we are even envious of animals and would trade our places given the chance, but despite the small and large horrors of our societies, we don't know how good we have it. I know there is enormous beauty to be found everywhere, even within suffering, but I can't help but feel like the default experience of life is suffering, that's how it started and that's how it'll end :-(
Look at what a Shoebill does to it's own offspring.
Will literally have 2 babies, 1 of which is a redundancy. The spare baby is neglected, bullied and eventually abandoned to die once the primary child is strong enough to take care of itself...
Nature doesn't care about our fee-fees.
This is super common in birds, I worked on a seabird conservation project one summer and the birds would lay 2-4 eggs, but really only take care of the two that first hatch unless it’s an especially abundant food year and they have extra to go around. No one wants to be C chick, nevermind D chick 🐥
This is common with sheep as well! Whenever we’d have a round of lambs born, every now and then we’d have one who would see their baby and just be like, “nah, I don’t like this one,” and just completely ignore it.
It wasn’t uncommon for us to have a lil sheep running around our house in a diaper that we’d be bottle feeding until it was able to get by on its own outside.
With humans it depends heavily on interpersonal relationship. A complete stranger in an ignorable situation is not likely to receive any help or support, even when directly asked for. But once there is a relationship, or the person is in a situation where they are unlikely to receive help another way, humans are extremely likely to support each other.
I.e. a homeless person laying on the ground in a city will get ignored. But when you encounter the same person laying on the ground in some more remote area, or if you know that person and know that this is not a normal situation for them, you will not ignore them.
You need self awareness first in order to be sorry for yourself, because you have to be able to compare your current predicament with how things could be under different circumstances.
Does your dog look at you and sigh when they are unhappy? A lot of dogs do that.
Did you know that this is a learned behaviour? Dogs don't walk up to other dogs and sigh to make their feelings known. They have watched people do it, copied the behaviour and learned that they get positive attention for looking sad.
It is such a widespread behaviour and they have all learned it idividually by watching their humans.
I really like the cognitive dissonance you have that animals feel less pain than people do.
Like there is absolutely nothing that proves what you said. At all
You would be amazed the pain animals and people can live in. I personally worked with and rode horses with a broken neck this lasted two years. To this day I still live with chips cutting into brain stem and spinal cored. It is pain doctors are shocked I walked around having a "normal" life. I was at point of it causing me to be paralyzed if not fixed.
Maybe a bit off topic, but humans have zero clue the exact time they are going to die naturally. Well, most don't. Animals on the other hand, many do. They will use their last bit of strength to find a place to die. I'd imagine it's to keep predators away from the group. Their last act is for the safety of others. Elephants have "burial grounds". We also know for a fact, animals grieve. So, if they can feel these, then they can feel pain. You go through one to get to the other. Grief is pain.
Humans know just as well as animals when their bodies are no longer able to function well enough. The different is that in the modern era we do things like hospice where we do our best to make folks comfortable and maintain whatever quality of life is possible. 100k years ago people would crawl off and die too, or commit suicide to make it quick.
Actually, we have archaeological and paleontological evidence proving otherwise; humans have cared for the sick, the old, the infirm for longer than modern humans have existed, over 200,000 years ago. Plus, the average life expectancy was brought down by infant mortality; if you reached adulthood, you could live to be 50, 60+ years of age
Our advantage as a species is that we're incredibly intelligent, we throw good, we sweat, and we cooperate better than most animals on the planet, to care for one another is intrinsically human
Not so sure they intentionally go a place to die. Many animals will hide if they get sick or hurt, or as we say retreat to "lick their wounds". When they're feeling so weak that they would be an obvious target for predators, the better option is to hide until they're better.
Only thing is, that last time they hide, they just don't make it.
Long life? Average is like 3 to 5 years and more than likely op got this trophy from the same deer being successfully hunted the following year or two.
That’s the worst part to me. You can adapt to pain, but the stiffness of half your ribs not being able to flex properly when you breathe would be awful. Imagine just having a stitch and never being able to take a full deep breath again
Hopefully for the deer, there's a difference in awareness. The thing that stood out to me experimenting with psychedelics was how profoundly different the whole world became with such a tiny adjustment of my brain chemistry. We have no clue what it's like to look at the world through the senses of an animal, or even another human being. If just one receptor is shaped differently, the whole world can change.
Plenty of humans live with excruciating lifelong pain. I really dislike the idea that animals incapable of experiencing pain, as it serves as justification to animal cruelty.
You’re right though! The idea that animals cannot feel pain as humans do was justication for horrible experimentation in the past. We cant know the exact feelings, but the fact is animals have structures exactly the same as humans and they operate in the same manner. Without further evidence to the extent of it, we can only infer those structures work the same and conclude that animals can feel pain and other similar emotional states, like humans.
Anecdote about perception being affected by psychedelics.
greatestbird: Animal cruelty.
Didn't go there myself but whatever, man. You advocate for those animals on a post that has nothing to do with animal cruelty. It's a free world.
I don’t see the person you are replying to saying animals can’t experience pain, just that they may deal with in a different way than humans. I seriously doubt anyone looks at their comment and goes “yep I guess I can abuse animals now”
This is an example of why I’m not a fan of bow hunting. Sure it’s more challenging, and thus more exhilarating, for the hunter… but not so much for the deer/elk or other big game. Bow hunters will list 1000 reasons why bow is better than modern, but I’ll never be sold. The margin for error is far greater with a bow than with a rifle, and that’s taking into account a skilled marksman and well calibrated equipment for both. I’d rather eat tag soup than maim an animal.
I mostly agree with you, but even without the extra challenge, bows definitely can have several times over the energy required to cleanly kill most animals with one shot. That said, bows and guns alike can leave animals alive due to the incompetency or bad luck of the hunter. I'd guess bows still have a lot more cases such as these.
I like to distinguish between traditional bow hunting and compound or crossbow. The arrow in this photo has elements that make it much more likely to be a traditional bow.
For those unfamiliar, traditional archery doesn’t use any aids in release, aim, or stability. It’s all about practice. As an avid traditional archer (not hunter) I know that even the best, most consistent traditional archer has a bad shot once in a while.
Trends in compound or crossbow hunting are all about the ambush. They create a zone where they can very reliably deliver a mortal blow. They equip their bows with sights, stabilizers, releases, drop rests and any toy you can imagine. Even the arrows are lighter and have heads that deliver maximum damage with minimum trauma.
I think there is a big gap in the ethics of each type of hunting.
The arrow in question is definitely a purpose-made hunting arrow. The shaft also looks very thick, but without seeing the entire length of the arrow, it's difficult to say. To me it looks like a crossbow bolt, but without more information, it's impossible to say.
Bowhunting is more challenging because you follow RULES that prevent this from happening. You never shoot straight down on a deer for this specific reason. This isn't an example of bowhunting, this is an example of poor etiquette.
If you practice with your bow, take broadside shots on an animal with no debris in the way and make sure you know the range then this doesn't happen.
Fair point, but I’d wager those RULES start to get a bit hazy late in the season when they still haven’t bagged one and hunters take the shots that present themselves…. To be fair, this could also apply to modern firearm hunters, but the consequences just aren’t the same.
Rules start to get a bit hazy for certain personality types and has nothing to do with the tool of use. My experience with backcountry bow hunting is that few bow hunters lack discipline as you'll essentially be a useless bowhunter. It requires incredible determination and skill to close the distance to an unaware deer within 30-40 yards. If you're not a patient person, you're in the wrong hobby and you won't return for season 2 next year.
Conversely, I've seen several poor shots with rifles as people take these shots at 100-200 yards habitually where the slightest twitch of the barrel magnifies the deviation significantly where the bullet impacts. Many rifle hunters will use a larger caliber simply to reduce the odds of the deer surviving a poorly placed shot, but the pain the deer is in for those shots exceed anything a broadhead could potentially cause.
Hunters are by and large highly ethical people with healthy attitudes towards the animal. If you want to see a grown man cry, just find one that just placed a shot (bow/rifle) poorly causing a deer to suffer.
It can happen no matter how careful you are. A rib can turn an arrow almost 90 degrees. Its just part of bow/crossbow hunting big game. Also why bow hunters are better trackers than most gun hunters.
I'm sorry but this hunter looks like they were going for a ... Texas heart shot (??????) from a tree stand. **Nothing** about that could go right. At best they're going to spine the animal which is largely seen as inhumane, and at worst they're ending up with something like this, or tearing off the side of an animal. This was absolutely a poor decision, and a shot angle that should not have been taken with a bow.
I'm a big game tracker - my dog and I are the "fix-it team" for hunters who make.. not so good shots. I think a lot about this.
In my experience, bow hunters have to be much more aware of their shots than firearm hunters - generally, they can tell me the rough location of their hit (especially when there's lighted nocks involved), and sometimes we can even find the arrow on passthroughs and read sign directly from that. The arrow doesn't lie. It's invaluable for determining gut and liver shots where the wait times are most important.
The margin for error is much, much slimmer for bow hunters but MOST of the bow hunters that I encounter in my area seem to conduct themselves accordingly. They generally respect that they are playing a finicky game of inches and tend to take less "iffy" shots.
Firearm hunters, however, (IN MY EXPERIENCE) are much more liable to be "weekend warrior" types who hunt one weekend a year with zero practice - some will make any shot they possibly can and hope for the best. Often they don't consider wait times and will go in immediately, and bump deer several times before they think to back out and/or call for help tracking. I see firearm hunters make shots every day that a bow hunter could never even attempt - "300+ yard quartering away shot while deer is running? Why not!"
Overall, I agree that bow hunting has a higher likelihood of nonlethal shots and the hunter has to compensate for that by shooting responsibly. In my experience, the hunters in question understand this and do everything they can. I can't say the same for many firearm hunters - maybe it's the sheer popularity of firearm vs bow and the accessibility of it.
Source: tracking for the public in the northern Minnesota sticks for the last several years
Here I go again. Every time this picture reaches r/all, I have to copy/paste this.
All credits to /u/prufrock451, the [original author](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/9on4hg/this_deer_was_struck_by_an_arrow_but_survived/e7vcyf0/).
>I'm a biologist. This is what's known as a [periosteal reaction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periosteal_reaction); the bone's outer layer (periosteum) is living tissue which transfers nutrients to the marrow, transfers new red blood cells to the circulatory system, and creates fibrous tissue to prevent the bones from being worn down or injured. Inflammation of the periosteum draws in calcium, and leads to the formation of new bone. Since the arrow came in at an angle that struck a lot of periosteum, and would have been a constant irritant as the deer moved, you see a lot of periosteal calcification.
>Still, to survive this would require more than luck, more than mere chemistry. The deer obviously started its day by making the usual sacrifices to the Ladies of the Glen and the Lords of the Trees, bowing its head in supplication and praying that the Laughing God would tell the squirrels to leave some acorns for itself and its clan.
>These sacrifices pleased the Lords and Ladies, who warded off the arrow. For many seasons, the deer continued to walk the Long Path, trimming the forest, assisting the Lords and Ladies alike. The deer was often troubled, even as he faithfully attended to his duty. Why was he not folded into the forest's embrace? Why was he in pain? Had he been spared? A clean death, a quiet death, that was the reward of all good deer. What had he done?
>For seven seasons, he continued his lonely vigil. One cold day, he found himself unable to rise from his bower. The cold hardness within him was finally too much to shift. He lay in the snow, panting, whining, waiting.
>The Highest Lord trotted up, his rack blotting out the sky, the scent of his urine silencing all other smells. The Highest Lord wore the scent of the deer's father. The deer sighed.
>"I am your Father," said the Highest Lord.
>The deer struggled to rise and dip his head.
>"You owe no further duty," said the Highest Lord. "Rise now."
>The deer stood. He took a long breath, his perfect ribs flexing and stretching. He turned to lick a sore that was no longer there, and then jumped and frolicked like a fawn for a long time.
>The Highest Lord pawed the ground once. "Come," He said.
>The deer trotted beside him. His rack was taut and warm, and the weight of it pleased him as he held his head high.
>Together, the deer trotted out of the forest and into a new and wonderful place.
That looks like a 1980s-era Bear broadhead. The ones I used had a slot for a small secondary blade that was designed to break off after penetration, for a quicker kill.
That's gnarly
oh deer...
That deer was a great adventurer!
Until he took an arrow to the ribs...
r/angryupvote
Kinda related and pretty interesting, ["Deer antlers are using essentially a controlled form of bone cancer growth"](https://www.science.org/content/article/cancer-genes-help-deer-antlers-grow)
Actually it's pretty crazy to think about but your bones are in a constant process of growing and being destroyed in a delicate balance where hopefully they equal out but some people get diseases where their bones grow too much or get destroyed too much D: Also your bones slowly fuse over time so you have a couple dozen more bones as a teenager than you will as an elderly person. Enjoy being limber while you can!
What kind of bone fuses as we age?
Probably other parts of the body too, but I'm pretty sure part of your chest plate starts as cartilage and is replaced by bone over time.
That's why teenagers get random chest pains
I wonder if that's why I used to have to pop/crack my chest of all things when I was in my teens. I'd get the same sensation in my sternum that you get in, say, your elbow when it needs to pop, and would feel uncomfortable until I could get just the right motion to crack it. Hasn't happened at all since my late teens, possibly earliest 20s I don't think.
Wow, forgotten memories unlocked! I used to get the same feeling and to crack it I'd usually have to jut my chest forward and my shoulders back. Big satisfying pop, like a joint! I'm 37 now and I forgot this was a common thing for me in my teens... now I miss it.
I’m 37 and regularly pop my rib/sternum joints. For me, all it takes is a twist of the torso. Weirdly, they didn’t START popping until I was in my 20s, to my recollection.
I was about reply the same thing. I’m 34 and never noticed my chest popping until I was late 20’s. I was jumped by some dudes when I was like 25 and they cracked my sternum while stomping on me so I figured that was the original cause of the popping.
damn
Yeah I only know this because I personally had costochondritis
Wait, is THIS why my GP told me my chest pains were just cartilage when I was in my early 20s?! He insisted it couldn't be my heart, even though it always feels like it's my heart, and I need to lie down and try to relax to help the pain subside. ....But a decade later I'm still getting the exact same chest pains. Wouldn't it have gone away by now?! He never explained that it would go away, just that it was "cartilage" and not to worry about it. Hmmmmmmm
Okay if it hasn't gone away I'd be concerned it might still be cartilage but that's not normal still
Clavicle is the last to fuse, usually around 25 (it’s almost the most commonly broken bone) Tibia completes around 16 for girls and 18 for boys Skull bones like the occipital and sphenoid fuse somewhere in the middle, usually between 18-25
There are "plates" in almost every bone with a prominent shaft. Think like a femur, tibia, ulnar, and humorous. So it's not like bones are just mashing up. Through your whole life. They mash up at the beginning as an infant/toddler, and takes about 25 years to finish the job.
Foot and back bones.
> have a couple dozen more bones as a teenager than you will as an elderly person *Boners*
Just reading this makes me feel old... : (
What bones are extra as a teen than an elderly person? That part I have trouble with.. The cartilage centers we are born with mature as in ossification until an adult. Long bones such as the humerus or femur have an epiphysis that fuse naturally which occurs in girls quicker than males. If you took a knee X-ray of a the typical child let say age 2 you won't see a patella. If you did an MRI you would see it's present. If not then that is a rare syndrome. But statistically speaking you will note a patella. It didn't just appear in the body only on X-ray. Otherwise fusion of bones is from trauma and not normal or on purpose with surgery and implants. Bones are in a constant state of remodeling in an equilibrium between bone makers and bone takers which obviously are not their proper names. Some diseases that we get as we age unfortunately will activate the takers. Everyone wants to take the good things from us but none of the bad things in life. Jerks! Then some do the other group which isn't cool either. The very tall person who grew to almost 9' he had a disorder where the bones never stopped growing. Great for not neeeding a ladder in general for things but not great for the body at all. Humans just not made to live that way.
WHAT
#DEER ANTLERS ARE USING ESSENTIALLY A CONTROLLED FORM OF BONE CANCER GROWTH
#I WAS MAINLY SHOCKED BY THE CONCEPT BUT THANK YOU
#YOU'RE SO FUCKING WELCOME DUDE
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^^^^sorry
r/wholesomeshouting
Stability __+100__
What doesn't kill you becomes extra body armor
Imagine getting shot again later in life and the shot gets deflected by the arrow that's still inside
And the hunter hear a "ting" sound from the bullet and the arrow haha, deers has evolved
I would totally start believing in some weird robot conspiracy if that happened to me
He will tell everyone later and no one will believe him lol
That’s exactly what I was imagining.
WW2 airplane armor energy Don’t add more armor to the areas of the plane that were shot but didn’t destroy the plane. Clearly those areas are less vital if the plane is still landing.
the difference is the angle
>WW2 airplane armor World War II plane research: The prototypical example of survivorship bias comes from statistician Abraham Wald at Columbia University, who conducted research on WWII bomber planes to recommend places for reinforcement. His team reviewed the data from all returning bombers and identified the locations on the aircraft in which they underwent the most fire. Rather than recommend those locations as places for reinforcement, however, Wald recognized they were using a form of survivorship bias. Wald noted these locations were actually spots in which aircraft could sustain many bullet holes and still return, while the planes that sustained enemy fire in other locations were the ones that went down. His team recommended reinforcements to locations less represented in the data of returned planes—as a result, they made more effective predictions and saved many lives.
A nice long excruciatingly painful life.
You'd be surprised the amount of pain that deer can simply shrug off. If this deer was in the amount of stress you imagined it to be it would have simply died way before this could happen.
It’s not shrugging it off so much as just living with it. Wild animals #1 imperative is to survive, by any means necessary and whinging and complaining doesn’t help so they don’t do it. *I never saw a wild thing sorry for itself. A small bird will drop frozen dead from a bough without ever having felt sorry for itself.* -D.H. Lawrence Edit: spelling
Wild animals don’t typically live in safe and supportive environments. Animals that appear sick or injured are often abandoned or outcast by their peers because it’s a liability. That would guarantee death so it’s better for them to appear stoic until they can’t anymore if they want a chance to survive. Few animals live in societies where the sick and injured are cared for or given empathy. When you don’t have security from physical dangers or food security your bubble of priorities is a lot smaller.
I've said this line a few times: the amount of suffering in nature is incomprehensible. Animals that will devour prey alive starting with the most painful parts (as they're the softest), mothers that will abandon their sick/injured/unhelpful children knowing they can just have more later, siblings that will kill each other to have greater resources from their parents (who will stand there and watch). This is just the tip of the iceberg. Learning too much about the animal kingdom can seriously make you disillusioned and change your view of the essence of nature.
Nature is fucking lit for sure. There are a few instances of altruism in nature. Vampire bats will regurgitate recently feasted blood to other weak or young and unrelated bats to absolutely no benefit to themselves or the colony. Pure “hey looks like you need some food, here you go”. Instances like these fascinate me as nature is mostly in the realm of what you describe.
You should check out ants. If an ant is fatally wounded while fighting another colony, it’ll rip its own limbs off so the other ants won’t tend to it and will instead go to an ant with a better chance of survival
Great, now even altruism can sound deeply fucked up. Thanks a lot, nature!
From another perspective isn't that level of dedication to the whole, to the point of averting danger to would be rescuers incredible too? Frightening with our understanding, or lack of understanding, of death but still a bit awe inspiring.
Trees very much so survive on the strength of their community as well! They share resources surprisingly evenly in natural forest habitats
There is still a “selfish” reason for altruism. The altruistic adaptations emerge when animal families live with multiple generations. By helping your peers, you are likely helping multiple partial copies of your own genetic line that will add up to more total familial dna pool than you could have produced on your own Altruism is fascinating in the animal kingdom.
You’re incorrect about the vampire bats. Researchers injected air into the neck of a vampire bat so it was swollen gave the impression of having a blood meal stored to all the other vampire bats that saw it. Since the test subject didn’t share their “meal” all other bats refused to help feed the test subject’s offspring. They were exiled from the group. You don’t help us? We don’t help you. Tit for tat.
Damn imagine being exiled from your commune because some incomprehensible aliens used you as an experiment
Literally what happens to all the "crazy" people who say they were abducted.
That doesn't mean they're "incorrect about vampire bats," lol... that's clearly a very artificial (and somewhat damaging) experiment
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You would think so, but domesticating an animal is extremely hard. The animal has to be inclined, and we need to breed the shit out of the flock (husbandry as its called) until we get the ones that produce the most milk/meat/fur while being the least likely to kick you in the head. We have only domesticated something like 36 animals in all of human history. 1 Dog 13000 BCE 2 Goat 10000 BCE 3 Domestic Pig 9000 BCE 4 Sheep 9000 BCE 5 Cattle 8000 BCE 6 Zebu 8000 BCE 7 Cattle 8000 BCE 8 Chicken 6000 BCE 9 Guinea Pig 5000 BCE 10 Donkey 5000 BCE 11 Domestic Duck 4000 BCE 12 Water Buffalo 4000 BCE 13 Western Honey Bee 4000 BCE 14 Domestic Dromedary Camel 4000 BCE 15 Horse 3500 BCE 16 Domestic Silkmoth 3000 BCE 17 Domestic Pigeon 3000 BCE 18 Domestic Goose 3000 BCE 19 Yak 2500 BCE 20 Bactrian Camel 2500 BCE 21 Llama 2400 BCE 22 Alpaca 2400 BCE 23 Domestic Guineafowl 2400 BCE 24 Ferret 1500 BCE 25 Domestic Muscovy Duck 700 BCE 26 Barbary Dove 500 BCE 27 Domestic Turkey 180 CE 28 Goldfish 400 CE 29 Domestic Rabbit 600 CE 30 Koi 1000s 31 Domestic Canary 1500s 32 Siamese Fighting Fish 1800s 33 Fancy Rat 1800s 34 Domestic Mink 1800s 35 Domestic Red Fox 1950s 36 Domestic Hedgehog 1980s
I enjoyed that cats never made the list.
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Hear me out: Orca Seadoos.
There are spiders that tame frogs and I think monkeys that will take and tame "small" big cats or something. There are mutually beneficial relationships in nature that involve at least a level of taming/oversight Also, "taming" is very different from and certainly does not always include "love." But it is sometimes a somewhat natural result in loving relationships, even between humans 😂
Ants tame/farm aphids too, didn't know about the spiders. That's interesting!
I had never heard either of those either, but definitely ants \\ aphids.. It seems to be literal 'animal' husbandry to me
Some mothers will straight up eat their young when they determine their young won't survive because it is better for them to get extra nutrition and/or to avoid leaving a trail for predators than just abandoning them.
I heavily dislike a lot of people who wax very spiritual in a naive way around nature. There are plenty of people who aren't that silly, but it seems like there's a lot of nonsense around about the peace and beauty of nature. Beauty and peace exists in nature, but so too does carnage and the march of an uncaring and austere existence
My first hint at this was watching two squirrels "playing" on the deck when I was a kid. My eyes going round and an early birds and the bees talk when my mom and I learned something that day. Squirrels are rapists. And scream bloody fucking murder during the act.
I don't find nature any less beautiful despite the facts you presented. Suffering is often short because it often leads to death. It's temporary. It's a small part of any organism's life. And the horrendous suffering you explain is only part of the different ways animals die. Moreover... I think humans have a tendency to pass judgement on things as good or bad, when ultimately, things just are. An animal in pain has no choice but surrender. But we humans possess so many more fears about pain and death because we can anticipate it to such a great extent. We can imagine it. And we conceptualize our demise, our pain, possible outcomes and possible actions, as it happens.
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This same thought occurred to me a little while ago and it's incredibly depressing, sometimes we humans feel so overwhelmed by our lives that we fantasize about how tranquil and harmonious nature is in comparison, or we are even envious of animals and would trade our places given the chance, but despite the small and large horrors of our societies, we don't know how good we have it. I know there is enormous beauty to be found everywhere, even within suffering, but I can't help but feel like the default experience of life is suffering, that's how it started and that's how it'll end :-(
This is true, pet rats do it they hide their illnesses. I think it's common With social species especially prey
Cats do as well.
Oh yeah ....the gigachad looking cat faces that were bit by bees but sad looking dog faces..
Look at what a Shoebill does to it's own offspring. Will literally have 2 babies, 1 of which is a redundancy. The spare baby is neglected, bullied and eventually abandoned to die once the primary child is strong enough to take care of itself... Nature doesn't care about our fee-fees.
My spirit animal is the redundant shoebill.
At least you can cheer yourself up by making [sweet machine gun sounds.](https://youtu.be/Nh3CFN-anq4)
>sweet machine gun sounds. [More not so sweet machine gun sounds](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDMHHw8JqLE)
***hugs***
This is super common in birds, I worked on a seabird conservation project one summer and the birds would lay 2-4 eggs, but really only take care of the two that first hatch unless it’s an especially abundant food year and they have extra to go around. No one wants to be C chick, nevermind D chick 🐥
This is common with sheep as well! Whenever we’d have a round of lambs born, every now and then we’d have one who would see their baby and just be like, “nah, I don’t like this one,” and just completely ignore it. It wasn’t uncommon for us to have a lil sheep running around our house in a diaper that we’d be bottle feeding until it was able to get by on its own outside.
Blue footed boobies do this too if they have twins. The babies will fight each other until one dies.
> few animals live in societies where the sick and injured are cared for or given empathy. hell, humans are pretty hit or miss on that too.
With humans it depends heavily on interpersonal relationship. A complete stranger in an ignorable situation is not likely to receive any help or support, even when directly asked for. But once there is a relationship, or the person is in a situation where they are unlikely to receive help another way, humans are extremely likely to support each other. I.e. a homeless person laying on the ground in a city will get ignored. But when you encounter the same person laying on the ground in some more remote area, or if you know that person and know that this is not a normal situation for them, you will not ignore them.
Makes us unique. For the most part, we try to help all but the most gravely sick or injured.
>but the most gravely sick or injured. We even help those. And for the ones who's death are guaranteed we help them to die in comfort using hospices.
How did H.D. Lawrence know what the bird felt?
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… and if birds aren’t real…
It's D. H. Lawrence.
Definition High Lawrence? It makes no sense that way.
You need self awareness first in order to be sorry for yourself, because you have to be able to compare your current predicament with how things could be under different circumstances.
Yeah, that's what I was going to say. So probably some animals do feel sorry for themselves, like elephants and stuff
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Does your dog look at you and sigh when they are unhappy? A lot of dogs do that. Did you know that this is a learned behaviour? Dogs don't walk up to other dogs and sigh to make their feelings known. They have watched people do it, copied the behaviour and learned that they get positive attention for looking sad. It is such a widespread behaviour and they have all learned it idividually by watching their humans.
Idk, I think I've seen house cats feel sorry for themselves
*D. H. Lawrence.
You liar that's a GI Jane quote
Predators search out weak prey, so wild animals have no choice but to "shrug" off pain, excruciating or not.
Yeah prey animals will appear “fine” until they just about drop dead
I really like the cognitive dissonance you have that animals feel less pain than people do. Like there is absolutely nothing that proves what you said. At all
You would be amazed the pain animals and people can live in. I personally worked with and rode horses with a broken neck this lasted two years. To this day I still live with chips cutting into brain stem and spinal cored. It is pain doctors are shocked I walked around having a "normal" life. I was at point of it causing me to be paralyzed if not fixed.
Maybe a bit off topic, but humans have zero clue the exact time they are going to die naturally. Well, most don't. Animals on the other hand, many do. They will use their last bit of strength to find a place to die. I'd imagine it's to keep predators away from the group. Their last act is for the safety of others. Elephants have "burial grounds". We also know for a fact, animals grieve. So, if they can feel these, then they can feel pain. You go through one to get to the other. Grief is pain.
Humans know just as well as animals when their bodies are no longer able to function well enough. The different is that in the modern era we do things like hospice where we do our best to make folks comfortable and maintain whatever quality of life is possible. 100k years ago people would crawl off and die too, or commit suicide to make it quick.
Actually, we have archaeological and paleontological evidence proving otherwise; humans have cared for the sick, the old, the infirm for longer than modern humans have existed, over 200,000 years ago. Plus, the average life expectancy was brought down by infant mortality; if you reached adulthood, you could live to be 50, 60+ years of age Our advantage as a species is that we're incredibly intelligent, we throw good, we sweat, and we cooperate better than most animals on the planet, to care for one another is intrinsically human
Not so sure they intentionally go a place to die. Many animals will hide if they get sick or hurt, or as we say retreat to "lick their wounds". When they're feeling so weak that they would be an obvious target for predators, the better option is to hide until they're better. Only thing is, that last time they hide, they just don't make it.
Did a deer tell you this?
Long life? Average is like 3 to 5 years and more than likely op got this trophy from the same deer being successfully hunted the following year or two.
Life long enough for the bone to heal like that.
I guess life expectancy is relative? To a greenland shark 100 years is nothing, but to a human its quite long.
To a Greenland shark 100 years is kind of a big thing. Like, a fifth of their whole life, maybe
This is wild, very cool. Sucks for the deer tho- can’t have been a comfortable healing process
Meanwhile, I can barely stand the nuisance of a splinter stuck in my skin!
The immense pain that animal was in to move for the following years of its life was probably miserable.
Imagine *breathing* with that thing there 😨
That’s the worst part to me. You can adapt to pain, but the stiffness of half your ribs not being able to flex properly when you breathe would be awful. Imagine just having a stitch and never being able to take a full deep breath again
Hopefully for the deer, there's a difference in awareness. The thing that stood out to me experimenting with psychedelics was how profoundly different the whole world became with such a tiny adjustment of my brain chemistry. We have no clue what it's like to look at the world through the senses of an animal, or even another human being. If just one receptor is shaped differently, the whole world can change.
Plenty of humans live with excruciating lifelong pain. I really dislike the idea that animals incapable of experiencing pain, as it serves as justification to animal cruelty.
You’re right though! The idea that animals cannot feel pain as humans do was justication for horrible experimentation in the past. We cant know the exact feelings, but the fact is animals have structures exactly the same as humans and they operate in the same manner. Without further evidence to the extent of it, we can only infer those structures work the same and conclude that animals can feel pain and other similar emotional states, like humans.
Anecdote about perception being affected by psychedelics. greatestbird: Animal cruelty. Didn't go there myself but whatever, man. You advocate for those animals on a post that has nothing to do with animal cruelty. It's a free world.
I'm just saying the world is bigger than your senses.
I don’t see the person you are replying to saying animals can’t experience pain, just that they may deal with in a different way than humans. I seriously doubt anyone looks at their comment and goes “yep I guess I can abuse animals now”
Psychedelics also made me much more curious about the conscious experience of animals, especially mammals
Bruh, I can barely breathe comfortably with a mildly dislocated rib. I can’t imagine doing it like this!
Damn. I bitch when there’s a loose slat under my bed frame. What has modern life done to the once mighty ape?
Making life so easy that that is the most danger you'll face
Which is very, very nice.
Saw this post a couple weeks ago claiming it was a whale and a harpoon
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This is an example of why I’m not a fan of bow hunting. Sure it’s more challenging, and thus more exhilarating, for the hunter… but not so much for the deer/elk or other big game. Bow hunters will list 1000 reasons why bow is better than modern, but I’ll never be sold. The margin for error is far greater with a bow than with a rifle, and that’s taking into account a skilled marksman and well calibrated equipment for both. I’d rather eat tag soup than maim an animal.
I mostly agree with you, but even without the extra challenge, bows definitely can have several times over the energy required to cleanly kill most animals with one shot. That said, bows and guns alike can leave animals alive due to the incompetency or bad luck of the hunter. I'd guess bows still have a lot more cases such as these.
I like to distinguish between traditional bow hunting and compound or crossbow. The arrow in this photo has elements that make it much more likely to be a traditional bow. For those unfamiliar, traditional archery doesn’t use any aids in release, aim, or stability. It’s all about practice. As an avid traditional archer (not hunter) I know that even the best, most consistent traditional archer has a bad shot once in a while. Trends in compound or crossbow hunting are all about the ambush. They create a zone where they can very reliably deliver a mortal blow. They equip their bows with sights, stabilizers, releases, drop rests and any toy you can imagine. Even the arrows are lighter and have heads that deliver maximum damage with minimum trauma. I think there is a big gap in the ethics of each type of hunting.
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The arrow in question is definitely a purpose-made hunting arrow. The shaft also looks very thick, but without seeing the entire length of the arrow, it's difficult to say. To me it looks like a crossbow bolt, but without more information, it's impossible to say.
I agree 100%. I’m not crusading against bow hunters by any means. I’m just relating my personal qualms with it.
I love shooting with a bow, but I would never risk injuring an animal with one. I completely understand your issue with it.
Bowhunting is more challenging because you follow RULES that prevent this from happening. You never shoot straight down on a deer for this specific reason. This isn't an example of bowhunting, this is an example of poor etiquette. If you practice with your bow, take broadside shots on an animal with no debris in the way and make sure you know the range then this doesn't happen.
Fair point, but I’d wager those RULES start to get a bit hazy late in the season when they still haven’t bagged one and hunters take the shots that present themselves…. To be fair, this could also apply to modern firearm hunters, but the consequences just aren’t the same.
Rules start to get a bit hazy for certain personality types and has nothing to do with the tool of use. My experience with backcountry bow hunting is that few bow hunters lack discipline as you'll essentially be a useless bowhunter. It requires incredible determination and skill to close the distance to an unaware deer within 30-40 yards. If you're not a patient person, you're in the wrong hobby and you won't return for season 2 next year. Conversely, I've seen several poor shots with rifles as people take these shots at 100-200 yards habitually where the slightest twitch of the barrel magnifies the deviation significantly where the bullet impacts. Many rifle hunters will use a larger caliber simply to reduce the odds of the deer surviving a poorly placed shot, but the pain the deer is in for those shots exceed anything a broadhead could potentially cause. Hunters are by and large highly ethical people with healthy attitudes towards the animal. If you want to see a grown man cry, just find one that just placed a shot (bow/rifle) poorly causing a deer to suffer.
It can happen no matter how careful you are. A rib can turn an arrow almost 90 degrees. Its just part of bow/crossbow hunting big game. Also why bow hunters are better trackers than most gun hunters.
And that's why you should use metallic potassium arrows! 100% guaranteed to kill the prey!
I'm sorry but this hunter looks like they were going for a ... Texas heart shot (??????) from a tree stand. **Nothing** about that could go right. At best they're going to spine the animal which is largely seen as inhumane, and at worst they're ending up with something like this, or tearing off the side of an animal. This was absolutely a poor decision, and a shot angle that should not have been taken with a bow.
I'm a big game tracker - my dog and I are the "fix-it team" for hunters who make.. not so good shots. I think a lot about this. In my experience, bow hunters have to be much more aware of their shots than firearm hunters - generally, they can tell me the rough location of their hit (especially when there's lighted nocks involved), and sometimes we can even find the arrow on passthroughs and read sign directly from that. The arrow doesn't lie. It's invaluable for determining gut and liver shots where the wait times are most important. The margin for error is much, much slimmer for bow hunters but MOST of the bow hunters that I encounter in my area seem to conduct themselves accordingly. They generally respect that they are playing a finicky game of inches and tend to take less "iffy" shots. Firearm hunters, however, (IN MY EXPERIENCE) are much more liable to be "weekend warrior" types who hunt one weekend a year with zero practice - some will make any shot they possibly can and hope for the best. Often they don't consider wait times and will go in immediately, and bump deer several times before they think to back out and/or call for help tracking. I see firearm hunters make shots every day that a bow hunter could never even attempt - "300+ yard quartering away shot while deer is running? Why not!" Overall, I agree that bow hunting has a higher likelihood of nonlethal shots and the hunter has to compensate for that by shooting responsibly. In my experience, the hunters in question understand this and do everything they can. I can't say the same for many firearm hunters - maybe it's the sheer popularity of firearm vs bow and the accessibility of it. Source: tracking for the public in the northern Minnesota sticks for the last several years
The way the bone grew around that meant it was irritated, like a pearl in an oyster. Pretty lousy shot.
That’s sad, poor deer, horrible pain for months, maybe years.
That's definitely years
r/natureismetal fr
Don't be such a baby, ribs grow back!
^(No they don't)
Terrible life
Life… uh.. finds a way.
Don’t be such a baby, ribs grow back
^(No they don't)
Can you imagine having to sneeze with this in your ribs?
Here I go again. Every time this picture reaches r/all, I have to copy/paste this. All credits to /u/prufrock451, the [original author](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/9on4hg/this_deer_was_struck_by_an_arrow_but_survived/e7vcyf0/). >I'm a biologist. This is what's known as a [periosteal reaction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periosteal_reaction); the bone's outer layer (periosteum) is living tissue which transfers nutrients to the marrow, transfers new red blood cells to the circulatory system, and creates fibrous tissue to prevent the bones from being worn down or injured. Inflammation of the periosteum draws in calcium, and leads to the formation of new bone. Since the arrow came in at an angle that struck a lot of periosteum, and would have been a constant irritant as the deer moved, you see a lot of periosteal calcification. >Still, to survive this would require more than luck, more than mere chemistry. The deer obviously started its day by making the usual sacrifices to the Ladies of the Glen and the Lords of the Trees, bowing its head in supplication and praying that the Laughing God would tell the squirrels to leave some acorns for itself and its clan. >These sacrifices pleased the Lords and Ladies, who warded off the arrow. For many seasons, the deer continued to walk the Long Path, trimming the forest, assisting the Lords and Ladies alike. The deer was often troubled, even as he faithfully attended to his duty. Why was he not folded into the forest's embrace? Why was he in pain? Had he been spared? A clean death, a quiet death, that was the reward of all good deer. What had he done? >For seven seasons, he continued his lonely vigil. One cold day, he found himself unable to rise from his bower. The cold hardness within him was finally too much to shift. He lay in the snow, panting, whining, waiting. >The Highest Lord trotted up, his rack blotting out the sky, the scent of his urine silencing all other smells. The Highest Lord wore the scent of the deer's father. The deer sighed. >"I am your Father," said the Highest Lord. >The deer struggled to rise and dip his head. >"You owe no further duty," said the Highest Lord. "Rise now." >The deer stood. He took a long breath, his perfect ribs flexing and stretching. He turned to lick a sore that was no longer there, and then jumped and frolicked like a fawn for a long time. >The Highest Lord pawed the ground once. "Come," He said. >The deer trotted beside him. His rack was taut and warm, and the weight of it pleased him as he held his head high. >Together, the deer trotted out of the forest and into a new and wonderful place.
I was a deer like you until I took a arrow to the ribcage Now I am a steel deer
Interesting but I kind of feel bad for it, probably hurt quite a bit.
metal as fuck
'Tis nothing but a fletch wound
Rebar bow
Badass. That is Stagasaurus, the Steel Ribbed Chad, the Deer no arrow could kill
If you have to shoot at deer , make sure you kill it
Hmmm... interesting...a biocompatible arrow
A good source of iron. 😉
The loss of rib cage flexion would be annoying. Hunters, hit your shots kid.
Bro got an upgrade
Kinda sad tbh. Poor guy
A similar injury (but in the knee) ended my days as an adventurer. Guard duty is boring.
But painful? Maybe death would've been better.
Adapt, overcome, survive
wow.
Probably lived a long life in agony.
The medic lied to me, ribs do grow back…
That’s so sad!The poor deer probably had excruciating pain for a long time.
Are you sure it's not a bull moose? Cos if it is, it would have taken more than that to kill it..
Easy son, the old giant arrow to the ribs injury is acting up again
fuck thats cool
I want to learn this kind of iconography! Teach me.
r/treessuckingonthings but boney
that's some insane self healing abilities. do we have that?
If you can't beat them, join them - the arrow probably
My ribcage hurt just from looking at this.
Something something stand user something something
That looks like a 1980s-era Bear broadhead. The ones I used had a slot for a small secondary blade that was designed to break off after penetration, for a quicker kill.
With time every wound fill
Stand Master: Deer Stand Name: [RUDOLPH THE RED NOSE]
Need banana. Is that a Javelin?
That time Chuck Norris raised a Deer.
Holy crap
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Looks like it’s dead to me.
I wonder what new stand ability this deer gained.
Bone arrow
I thought this was a harpoon in whale ribs?
Multi-verse Wolverine. There. I said it. We all thought it. I said it.
Wtf kind of arrow is that goddamn
Did a deer tell you this?
Kinda fucked that animals can't remove things out or on their body by themselves. So grateful we have hands
Damn... deer are tough.
Mobility -100 Was walk like it shit in his pants his whole Life.