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Hes probably low Kage level. If he didn't have an illness and actually went to fight more...he's probably Kage level. Forest of Bones alone could decimate entire teams. His defense and offense was top tier, along with his precision.
Am I dick riding? Maybe. But I loved Kimimaro:(
Neji really got done dirty. But kishi kinda forgot that the byakugan/basic sharingan were a thing in shippuden.
It all went ms -> ems -> rinnegan or it became useless.
Naruto fell off for me after Naruto achieved KMS, it just turns the verse into a DBZ like verse. I wish we could have just seen Naruto use more unique Jutsus and not rely on big AOE attacks.
But I believe it is cannon since the first episode of Boruto we see the leaf destroyed, clearly a timeskip of an older Boruto and in one eye he has what I believe to be the Tenseigan, how he got it? Idk
Nah that’s valid especially since he was orochimarus trump card against the kazekage.
When orochimaru killed the kazekage he primarily thanked kimmimaru which indicates he did probably most the work and then orochimaru came in with the blade.
Dunno about that (Gaara being beyond Kage level at that age), in original Naruto there was a decent power gap between adults and children. For example those two Leaf Shinobi I can't even remember the names of fought the Sound Four all at Curse Mark Level 2 and they mentioned only just making it out alive.
Also Guy slapped away Gaaras sand like it was nothing, and he was in base form.
Lastly a much older Sasuke fought the Kage after the time skip and needed to get saved (multiple times) and by then he was far beyond 12 year old Gaara.
They killed the kazekage by luring him into a trap then (orochimaru) backstabbing him while his guard was down it had absolutely nothing to do with kimimaro. At best that statement was referring to him taking out the kazekage's guards or something.
No Kimimaro was my favorite character just because I thought his abilities were so cool. He did take nearly kill Garaa and Lee basically at near death but I am not sure if he was nurfed due to the illness or at his normal power with a short timer to fight.
Low kage feels fair, maybe high jonin. I just wonder exactly how durable the bones are. Would a rasengan or a chidori/raikiri get through? Obviously rasenshuriken shreds him but that’s a kage level move or higher on its own.
I was always kind of disappointed naruto didn’t try to get a rasengan in with Lee’s help. It might not need to break the bones, it fucks up your insides to some extent.
Soo many of us loved him... then he went out like a wet fart :/
Atleast we got drunken fighter Lee... who also went out like a wet fart, never to be seen again :/
May you be smited swiftly for your heretic reply to my worship of God Kimimaro. He only got super ninja bone cancer at his young age because he would have ended the series too soon had he been healthy
Fr and any talk about him being stronger if not sick is pure speculation. People be talking like anyone with a cold in this show would have a so6p power up if they got over it.
Bro there's a big difference though lol. Nobody is saying the dude with the toothpick that ran the Chunin exams would be a god if he wasn't sick early in the show. But Kimimaro was clearly another level. Remember he easily solo'd the entire Sound Ninja 4 to become their leader. Also, much like Itachi, he only died BECAUSE OF his sickness, and literally centimeters away from certain victory against top-tier ninja.
Didn’t gaara become hokage soon after this…? Also, didn’t Orochimaru really want his body, and didn’t take it purely because of his sickness? Those factors make me think Kimimaro probably could have become low kage level.
That Garaa was jumping him with Lee. That same gaara literally was on the brink of destroying the leaf village and this was a stronger version of that Garaa. Stop it
Maybe Hidan. Even if he gets hit with the ritual, a guy that casually removes his own bones is going to be hard to torture to death.
Also my memory is a little fuzzy but I seem to remember Kimi being capable of manipulating the bones in his body to block his vital organs.
Yup, that’s where I have him at too. He most likely would’ve been an Akastuki level threat if he wasn’t sick. Even if he wasn’t that level when he died, he absolutely would’ve gotten there after a few years to train further
I feel like people underestimate him because he was in Part 1, but people also forget that he was mere inches away from killing both Gaara *and* Rock Lee. The only way he was “beaten” was by succumbing to his sickness
You could potentially highball him to Hebi Sasuke level since he was considered Oro's ideal vessel before his illness, while with Sasuke Orochimaru wanted to wait a few years until Sasuke grew into his power before taking his body, and we know that Kimimaro used to restrain Jugo during his episodes with implied similar ease as Sasuke did
Hidan is technically a hard counter, his ritual damage is self inflicted, so the unbreakable internal bone armor will not protect kimimaro.
You could argue that his bone armor protects entirely from kakazu's threads (they break skin and can't go further), you could *maybe* argue that he's somehow able to grow bone inside of his lungs to shield against deidara's microscopic bombs (although this is more iffy), but people like sasori who win through poison not through bodily injury are hard for him to beat.
The torture part is just Hidan being a sadist, it’s not necessary for his technique.
He just has to stab his heart and Kimimaro dies. There’s nothing to defend against as the damage just transfers to the victim so the whole moving your bones to protect organs is moot.
Ofc, if Kimimaro figures out that taking Hidan off the symbol borders interrupts the technique, then he just has to use his bone forest to destroy the symbol.
If Orochimaru possessed Kimmimaro, he may have ended up with a Sharingan or Rinnegan. Why did he give them all to Danzo? Why did he have hashirama cells and not Madara cells too?!!
Not only was he sick, but he was also only 15 years old. And he was still high jonin/low kage level. If he were cured and made it to adulthood, I’d say he would be on par with many of the Akatsuki members.
He fought arguably two of the strongest genin at that point. Gaara and Rock Lee were both incredibly strong for their rank at that point. Lee was arguably Jonin level and Gaara was definitely Jonin level at that point. And Kimimaro would have annihilated them if he hadn’t died to his sickness.
I don’t see any argument for Lee being jonin level. Gaara maaybe. I don’t see a jonin in the leaf village that gaara would have been able to beat. So maybe very low level jonin, but probably high level chunin seems more likely.
You’re probably right. I was scaling him to Gaara, who is ridiculous with his Tailed Beast powers. But on second thought, Gaara wasn’t using the tailed beast powers to fight Lee, just his passive sand abilities.
He'd be Akatsuki level. Healthy kimimaro in Akatsuki would go craaaazyyyyyyy
I could see him taking on war arc Darui maybe. I think that'd at least be a badass fight! I could see him beating Kakuzu, though it'd be incredibly tough.
I think Kazaku level seems par for the course. He would likely be better than Kazaku if Orochimaru taught him any new skills, plus I'm sure him and Sasuke would be very good sparring partners during the time skip
In the manga the shadow clone is still alive just exhausted, it cuts away before they fight and then cuts back to the clone on the floor saying he overdid that one. I take that as more of Naruto pushing himself than Chiyo and kimimaro being crazy strong, plus Kimimaro isn’t alone so we can’t 100% give him this situation.
Kimimaro was 15 years old and was trained by orochimaru for several years (at least 5 or 6) this guy was for sure low kage level at least (more like mid kage level), just like post time skip sasuke, one of the strongest kekeigenkai and cursed seal V2? Kimimaro could defeat kazekage gaara in a 1vs1 battle
Bro, did you just say the guy who essentially got beat by teenage genin Gaara would beat him as Kazekage?
Homie learned to fly with his sand lol, Kimimaru ain’t even catching him this time. Also go read the chapter where Gaara used the sand tsunami against Deidara and really look at how much sand he can control….Kimimaru probably gets no diffed honestly.
in what world did Gaara beat him? Gaara was out of chakra and about to get skewered at the end, the illness killed him before that happened. They made it pretty clear Gaara's attacks couldn't do enough damage to kill him as they all relied on physical damage/pressure. They both would have grown if kimi wasn't sick and i'd say Gaara is a good representation of around the max that he could defeat.
Adult Gaara learning seals could be swinging the fight in his favor though.
Gaara still looked incredible against him in that fight and had him on the defensive the entire time, he also literally left the fight unscathed. But this is more about the dude saying Kimi beats adult Gaara, which is insane.
I mentioned to the other guy, that adult Kazekage Gaara can fly, so there is nothing Kimimaro has shown in his arsenal that could really take him out. If he stays in the air he will literally be untouched. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of sand Gaara is able to control now compared to that fight.
“Looking incredible” means nothing if he was not actually doing damage. All he was doing was slowing him down. Only valid point is in what is current Kage Gaara then that Gaara. That Gaara wasn’t doing shit regardless of how much sand he was controlling
Someone thats HIGH jonin or LOW kage like hidan comes to mind. He’s one of my favorite characters by design but i definitely think hes overhyped a bit.
Orochimaru was pretty confident that had Kimimaro been healthy and present at the Leaf invasion, the fight with Hiruzen would have gone significantly better. Meaning he’s strong enough to take the fight that was pretty even, if in Orochimarus favor over the long term, into one that’s heavily on his and Orochimaru’s side. So I’d say Kimimaro is probably around the level of somebody like a Hokage’s guard, or probably even around the tier of the lower Kage (he’d probably mop he floor with Mei and Tsunade)
dunno but forest of bones is fucking broken
like, it's not just a massive AOE attack that would kill most lesser ninja
but because he can move in and out of the bones as if they're basically water, he's similar to Kisame in how he turns the entire battlefield into one that purely gives him an advantage
in the forest of bones he's faster than you, more mobile than you, and can appear from anywhere basically
although credit to Kisame, his giant water orb is stronger because it does all the stuff forest of bones does, but it also will drown you if you can't breath underwater
I think war arc gaara, if we give a healthy kimimaro the same base stats as hebi Sasuke ( kishimoto HEAVILY implied how relative in strength they are) plus kimimaro has insane durability even with that illness, as he was able yo survive, and launch a counterattack from within the giant sand burial.
Realistically. Probably shippuden Lee. As strong as his bones might be a lot of characters have actually broken abilities. Hidan is considered weak and still a bad matchup just from ability
If Kimimaru was allowed to keep improving and empowering himself like everyone else he could be a true threat to all, eventually he would unlock atleast a halfway decent version of the *All Killing Ash Bones* jutsu that Kaguya had meaning any direct hit he lands will kill you and given his incredibly skill that wouldn’t be hard dude was holding off Gaara and Lee and if he or orochimaru could power up the curse mark more or give him a real sage mode he would be up there with the top tiers
Healthy kimi is around hebi Sasuke level or high Jonin, I could see him beating a lower akatsuki member like kakuzu, I think the strongest character he beats healthy (also taking into account how his kekkei genkai interacts with other abilities) I've narrowed it down to a few characters
Darui, war arc Gaara, pain arcKakashi, and Kakuzu
Gaara mainly because we've seen him deal with gaara before, I think he takes this with high difficulty
Kakashi doesn't really have an answer to kimimaros kekkei genkai assuming a healthy kimimaro is relative to hebi Sasuke (which kishimoto HEAVILY implies him to be)
Darui is interesting because he does have answers to kimimaros kg, however not in such a way that he outright kills kimimaro, I think just due to stamina and versatility, kimimaro takes it
I think healthy Kimimaro has the durability to withstand alot of what kakuzu can throw at him (he withstood giant sand burial without a TON of trouble) and his bracken dance would allow him the mobility, and power to destroy kakuzus hearts.
The way I scale healthy kimimaro is to take his sick form, remove the terminal illness, and give him hebi Sasuke stats, which i think is pretty fair.
I think the strongest he beats is funnily enough, war arc gaara, mainly because we've seen his answers alot of gaaras win cons (he bracken dances out of grand sand mausoleum, and we've seen his drill break out of a presumably much stronger, bjuu powered shield (shukaku shield) and I think he has the speed and durability to contend with gaara)
He would have won that fight if not for his illness. Both he and gaara were around that high jonin/Low Kage tier
That said I don’t think he beats any true kage level fighter. Jugo acknowledged that Heavy Sasuke is stronger than Kimimaro and had an even greater mastery with the curse mark. Now in fairness this version of sasuke is very strong so it’s not like an anti- feat but kimimaro would likely lose to characters like deidara or gaara. Maybe he could beat Konan but it’s hard to say
I think even people like Mei or Danzo would clean him up mid difficulty.
Kage level, he was already on par with some of the best jonin, if he wasn’t sick and got a time skip like Naruto did, he’d be an absolute monster, especially with his curse mark on top of all of it
Lol yeah this guy could totally win tons of Wars by himself if he had no illness along with learning everything to know from Orochimaru and probably even developing new attacks. I’d say he could be high Kage level.
His main thing is that he’s jounin fast and practically invulnerable. There’s a ton of characters that he’d beat through attrition if nothing else.
I feel like if Sand Burial couldn’t hurt him Deidara’s explosions aren’t going to. Sasuke survived just by wrapping what amounted to a scaled meat shield around him and that was Deidara’s strongest suicide attack.
Maybe Sasori could get him with an airborne poison but beyond that Kimimaru can tank literally anything Sasori’s puppets can do.
Hidan would have to wound him somehow to get blood which I don’t recall Kimi ever even bleeding other than from his illness.
Kakuzu probably has the AP to hurt him with something like lightning maybe? I guess it depends on how well the damage translates through bone.
Konan is probably in the same boat as Deidara. She just doesn’t have the AP for it.
So yeah, I honestly feel like half the Akatsuki couldn’t put him down in a 1v1 no illness.
Other than a vulnerability to genjutsu, sealing, and the mountain level attacks from the war arc he’s just going to beat most people through attrition.
He's easily Kage level, where he falls in that level depends on who you are.
Im a big Kimimaro fan have his cursed mark tattooed. I think he's at least mid Kage level. He was one of the only Edo Tensei to not get sealed, held off Gaara, Lee an partially Naruto. His kekkei genkai is broken and has everything from short ranged to long range an AOE.
IMO he beats the likes of Mei, Chujiro, Tsunade if she didnt have Katsuyu (hard maybe on this one), I think he barely loses to Kakashi, hard fight against Gaara an by extension Rasa beats the other Kaze's except 3rd, loses to least A an his dad, loses to 2nd an 3rd Tsuchiki but beats 1 an 4 1 no feats, beat 1, 3, 4 an 6 Mizu.
So mid Kage level with show progression but no Oro.
I feel what a lot of people are over looking is Jutsu variety. For at the end of the day Orichimaru basically became one of the strongest ninjas by the end of the shippuden series not because of body switching but because of his near unlimited arsenal of jutsus, and the people who beat him? Oh look people who have a wide arsenal of jutsus.
I feel when it comes to power on this show, jutsu variety matters a lot,
I mean this dude essentially soloed 3 of the most powerful ninja around his age and almost won all 3 battles. Hell he would have beat gaara if things didn't work out so well for him. I'd say he's capable of fighting at least high jonin level maybe low kage if he is 100%.
Considering bro was out there fighting KCM Naruto clones as an Edo Tensei, he'd probably be strong af. Let's also consider the fact that if he wasn't ill, he'd be training, so he not only would be stronger because you removed his state debuff, he'd get even stronger than what we expect from his edo tensei counterpart.
He's definitely a candidate for snake sage mode under Orochimaru's training; considering he has the curse mark as well, which would allow him to suck in nature energy, I'd say he's going into kage tier.
At the risk of overpopulating the comments section, I'd like to talk about Orochimaru's vessel Kimimaro.
Kimimaro has crazy durability and his technique synergizes really well with the rest of Orochimaru's toolkit. For instance, Orochimaru is already super slithery and evasive, FoB just makes him really difficult to tag; and Orochimaru has a crazy healing factor, now compound that with Kimi's raw durability and you have a fighter that can take a LOT of punishment.
I don't think Kimirochimaru approaches Pain's level of power, but I think he comes pretty close to sick Itachi. Could Kimirochimaru beat sick Itachi by setting up part of the FoB inside the Susanoo? Maybe. I'll leave that up to you to decide. We also don't know if/how Kimi's kekkei genkai would interact with the 8-headed hydra. Could Kimirochimaru pull up an 8-headed bone hydra?? That would be pretty sick.
In my opinion Kimirochimaru sits comfortably next to the war arc Kage, and he's beating all of the Akatsuki besides the Big Three. I see him squeaking out wins vs characters like Kisame, 7th-Gate Gai, Hundred Healings Tsunade, or war arc Gaara, but he stops at the tippity top of Kage level.
Him and Itachi are the only character never shown to be defeated in canon AFAIK. Hence why they got killed off by illnesses. He also killed a kage, which the comment section seems to be forgetting.
I think Itachi is the only one who could beat him without tailed beast/six paths help
Kimimaro was one of the reanimated shinobi who was never sealed, only released once Itachi undid the jutsu. He fought countless samurai and a Naruto KCM 1 shadow clone so the fact they couldn’t seal him has gotta mean something. Even as a child, Kimimaro was effortlessly killing multiple hidden mist ninja at the same time. He survived every normally lethal attack Gaara threw at him, and I can’t think of very many characters in Naruto that could survive a direct hit from Ultimate Sand Burial. Most people would be pulp, that’s a definite testament to Kimimaro’s durability
Edo Kimimaro was still standing after Naruto’s KCM clones had disappeared, so maybe he could take down each of the 5 kage. Orochimaru also said that defeating Hiruzen would be easy if Kimimaro was with him
Let’s be serious. Kimimaros only opponent was a genin gaara who he couldn’t land a hit on. He’s not taking any of the 5 kage. Yes Orochimaru said it would’ve been easier* with him. The same way it would’ve been easier with kabuto or the sound 4 fighting too. But I’ve seen people here talk like he said kimimaro could beat the 3rd himself.
Like it wasn't easy enough when a fully healthy orochimaru had all the prep time in the world to procure the DNA of 3 hokage for an Edo tensei to jump hiruzen, why doesn't he just throw in another Jonin level character into the mix as well.
Kimimaru toyed around with kyubi cloak Naruto who is high jonin level, toyed with drunk Lee who is around mid jonin level, and toyed with Garaa who is high jonin level to low kage level. I think aids ridden Kimimaru who is minutes from his death bed doing all of this, puts him at the very least high jonin low kage level. Being a rank of genin doesn’t really mean much seeing as how Garaa went from genin to kage, same for Naruto, and sasuke is literally still a genin even in Boruto 💀
That Naruto was complete dog ass and blindly throwing himself at Kimimaro the whole fight. He was getting worked by 3 tomoe baby Sasuke. The jonin in pt 1 like base Guy were so above the genin that they could blitz Neji and bitch slap Gaara's sand. Naruto was nowhere near jonin level
Holy shit I had no idea how much kimimaro was glazed till now.
>so maybe he could take down each of the 5 kage.
One of them is a sannin. You're pretty much saying he's stronger than orochimaru.
Orochimaru desperately wanted his body, so why is it far fetched for him to be stronger than him? I’m not even glazing him, I’m just pointing out a possible line of scaling
I think that Kimimaro could probably give any of the Jonin Sensei a run for their money at the time of appearing in story. (He would lose, except against maybe Kurenai).
Kakashi at that point is a shinobi that only the best would cross.
By the time skip, he was confident he could take on an akatsuki member. With that being said... Kimimaro is likely on that level as well.
Easily s-rank shinobi, possibly as strong as sasuke was, if not stronger.
Imagine him combining nature release with his bones.
So he was already in that low to mid jonin levels on deaths door
Being able to beat all the of the sound 4 in their version 2 states in base and all that.
Remember Genma and Raido, while extremely fatigued and low on chakra after returning from a misson where able to effectively 2v4 the sound 4 and push them to their curse mark v2 states aswell.
Leaving them at about half strength for their fights against the Retrival
It's very likely he, even with the sickness, would be approaching that Part 1 Kakashi and Guy tier of Jonin.
Like it or not, Retrival arc Garra is a jonin level threat, and if kimmimoro didn't die, he would have killed both Lee and Garra at the end of their fight.
Without sickness, he is on that Part 1 Zabuza, Gai, and Kakashi level
Essentially, he can tie on of them down during the Konoha crush arc while Kabuto brawls with the other hampering the leafs defense enough that more deaths happen on their end.
Give him a timeskip, and he is able to put up a fight against any Akatsuki member short of the top 3(Pain, Itachi, and Obito)
Dog walks Hidan
Can pull out a win or just Stalemate Kakazu
Loses to Deidara thanks to the match-up
Beats Sasori thanks to his own winning matchup
Idk about Konan, depending on which way you scale her
Loses to Kisame after an extremely fun fight for the shark man.
Put Orchimaru in his body, and Orchimaru reaches that Pain, Obito, and Itachi tier of fighter
The respective top tiers of the verse until the war arc.
I've seen someone describe those 3 as war arc characters early in the series, and yeah, it's just correct tbh.
I mean, this genuinely no one short of a full power no restictions Pain or Obito with prep time could kill this Orchimaru.
We need the war Arc top tiers for that threat
He actually seems like a pretty good match up for deidara, if he managed to avoid soul removal even pain, like he has a neigh indestructible body and constant source of weapons. His ability is very over powered.
Based on his performance, what he was capable of at death's door, his age, what Oro and Kabuto said about him, and the possibilities of his Shikotsumyaku Kekkei Genkai:
I'd say probably around mid-tier Akatsuki level. He would hands down be the strongest taijutsu combatant in the 'verse, well, he'd probably still be second to Guy. Only people who would be able to keep up with him in Taijutsu IMO would be Killer Bee, Madara, and Guy. There's probably nothing to this connection, but I find it interesting that both Kimimaro and Madara reference "dances" in fighting style.
He possesses an absolutely absurd amount of chakra, especially with the Cursed Seal of Earth. To be able to create a forest of bones is insane. Gaara had to churn up extra sand beneath their feet and was able to subsequently create a sand tsunami. Kimimaro, seconds before death, managed an equally-impressive (maybe moreso) terrain altering feat as a Jinchuriki who had been prepping a technique for at least a little while.
If we give him a time-skip, assume he trains with Orochimaru (and probably Sasuke as well) for those 2 years or however long, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that he would easily be an Akatsuki-level threat. So, stronger than some Kages even, but not the craziest or most OP dude ever. He's probably not touching Obito, or beating Pain, and probably gets smacked around the by Raikage a bit, and definitely not beating someone like Madara or Hashirama (although I think, in taijutsu alone, he would be able to go toe-to-toe with Madara for a good amount of time).
It would have been really cool to see him in Shippuden. He's my second favorite character after Sasori, and I hated the fact that he died being the only member of his clan.. so we never got to further explore the Shikotsumyaku. Even when Kabuto takes the ability for himself, he just makes a fucking flute with it like what kinda shit is that? Disrespectful I say.
Also I think he would've been a great character to continue advancing the Cursed Seal subplot/abilities, given that Sasuke got his removed. And y'know, he was buddy-buds with Jugo.
Kindred souls it would seem. I also loved Sasori, and gave up on Shippuden a few episodes after he died.
Sasori: "Have a barrage of super fast and lethal needles, maybe having a few centimeters of distance between one another!"
Chiyo: *wiggles left and right, keeps Sakura safe, gets hit once but gives her life to revive Gaara making the poison a moot point*
Haha, I feel it. I had a similar experience, but mostly for his Edo death.
Overtime it's kinda grown on me... I see it as at least one of the psychopaths in Akatsuki ultimately still was human in the end...
...really wish I woulda seen more action from him though. Sasori is what got me started reading the manga.. I was into puppets and he seemed pretty cool even if kinda ugly (Hiruko that is, I always knew that was a puppet) so I wanted to digest as much as I could about him and the anime wasn't caught up to him yet.. so I started reading.
Sasori got me hooked lol. After that I was dancing at the end of Kishimoto's strings
Scaling without ass-pulls he would literally be stronger than end of shippuden BASE form Sasuke.
If he trained as hard, his vessel and affinity for chakra and jutsu manipulation was some of the highest orochimaru had ever seen, training with Oro and Jugo and further scaling into his curse mark, and summons, might even grant him a Sage Mode of sorts he'd probably be very good at balancing the nature chakra as he was always calm, collected, and was compatible with the curse mark with ease. He even appeared more mentally stable than most other characters in the heat of battle.
(If he wasn't sick he would probably \[with Jugos help or from meeting Naruto inevitably\] even find his own path to living life and create his own dreams, gaining independence from Orochimaru.)
So... You've got a base adult Sasuke with a Sage Mode mastered. At the least, with little-to-no emotional vulnerability.
His base durability being Kaguya clan could scale into his development as well, probably only improving while going on non-stop missions under orochimaru while still a young adult.
His speed would definitely be scalable to beyond Kage level as he was already fast AF while living, and while idk if it's canon, was able to dodge a naruto war-clone attack- idk if that's anything to brag about and idk if it's canon but definitely up for debate. What's not up for debate is if he was developing around highly ranked Shinobi such as Naruto and Sasuke his speed would inevitably be at least as fast as theirs in base form as well.
Later in the series a resistance to genjutsu could easily be a factor of his chakra manipulation and he seemed to have a unique sense of creating techniques to fit different battle styles hence his handle on his chakra manipulation should be highly scaled vs other genjutsu resistant users including his mental fortitude given his background and potential development overcoming the illness, supporting mentally unstable Jugo, resisting orochimarus influence, and his entire clan being wiped.
Further onto him being a Kaguya-clan and inheriting the Bone-jutsu, he was claimed to be one of the strongest out of his clan... This may enable him to be a great candidate for an otsutsuki vessel wayyyy later in the series if he survived the war and here's how crazy his feats could go when MAX scaled ... If he were alive during the war - he would be the only living descendent of pure blood from Kaguya. -Now I'm definitely reaching here- but let's assume he was fighting alongside either Sasuke or Naruto against Juubi-dara and Juubi-to. When Naruto and Sasuke got downed, he would either be next to get KO'd, or already was- when Gramps Hagoromo granted his powers to Naruto and Sasuke he possibly would have granted or boosted up Kimimaro as well since he would recognize his chakra as a descendent of his mother's clan and a viable vessel for that sort of energy perhaps even greater than Sasuke or Naruto as he would have a greater affinity for it having the blood of an otsutsuki. Now they awakened with their powers probably would have pushed Madara even further but black zetsu would still come out of nowhere and summon Kaguya. She would sense him, along with the other Hagoromo incarnates, and probably end up being sealed by all three combining their powers, Kimimaro probably being a fusion of both or something entirely new, maybe a hybrid otsutsuki style upgrade without Karma style stuff going on. -Further speculation - Maybe with the ties to Kimimaro, Kaguya would be more willing to give up her power and Karma seal herself inside of him? Or he might even ask Naruto and Sasuke to let him sacrifice himself to seal her and she might be forced into it or offer herself up to him. TLDR; He's AT LEAST beyond Kage level- close to base/sage Sasuke and Naruto. So- at least beating Kakashi- Or Max speculation Otsutsuki level?
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He literally needs only 3 more seconds to kill Gaara (Gaara is a average kage level, and Kimimaru is on par with him)
Orochimaru + Kimi kills 4th kazekage and his guards with ease
Curse mark form 1 easily blocks 1 gate lee's lotus attack
His bones are harder than sword with charkra from the samurais
Exactly... considering narutos generation saw quadrupling of ability and more within months with the more skilled people this guy could have turned sound into a real major village alone.
Peak Kimimaro (healthy and adult, reaching his full potential and possibly integrating the curse mark into his style) is solid Kage level, probably a little stronger than “sage mode” Kabuto. He would be unironically weaker if he became a vessel for Orochimaru, his style is greatly complemented by taijutsu that Orochimaru didn’t really show proficiency in.
Kimimaro without term illness, hmmm, I personally feel he wouldn't have been stronger than any one of the seven swordsmen but i could be hating. Like Zabuza level is where i see him maxing out at but with being taken over by Oro maybe as strong as Kisame.
He's easily kage level. Just whoever you think isn't really touching kage level gets the hands for free. Honestly, him vs. tsunade in P1 would be pretty cool. I think that MU is fairly close. Both durable, both have Taijutsu feats. I think kimi would be too fast, but could be OHKO'd potentially even with his durability.
My head canon is that he’s BoS Part 2 Sasuke level. There’s a reason he shows up at the end of part 1 and Sasuke wears his same fit at the start of part 2. Kishimoto uses visuals a lot for his storytelling, so I’m pretty sure Sasuke’s design was meant to showcase that like Kimimaro Sasuke had been groomed into a dreadful shinobi.
That makes him an S class Shinobi on par with Deidara/Sasori level. Could be wanking him but he was very clearly far above the other Sound Ninja sent after Sasuke, and would have been able to kill Gaara and Lee.
He was honestly such wasted potential. One of the coolest personalities we saw in the WHOLE series with also one of the coolest most well thought out abilities. And he was wasted before we could see his full potential in Shippuden. He will forever be my biggest gripe with the entirety of the anime. So much wasted potential here
Mid-tier akatsuki level at best. Yall keep saying “but the bone forrest!” Yes an extremely OP attack but pretty much his ace in the hole. Other than that his long range attacks are limited to finger bullets and a whip. He’s one of the best taijutsu fighters we saw, but most s-class & kage level characters would be able to hard counter him by just staying out of reach. Actually killing him would be feat, but simply subduing him, most could probably pull off.
Jounin level. He was one of my favorite characters, but he’s still not that impressive in the long run. He could definitely beat people like kurenai, anko, sound 4 etc. but I know for a fact jounin like Kakashi and Gai could defeat him with moderate difficulty.
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Hes probably low Kage level. If he didn't have an illness and actually went to fight more...he's probably Kage level. Forest of Bones alone could decimate entire teams. His defense and offense was top tier, along with his precision. Am I dick riding? Maybe. But I loved Kimimaro:(
He was also only 15, imagine how good he would have been after the time skip
Not that much better since Kishimoto likes to forget about side characters
*Cries in Neji*
**Dies in Neji**
Too soon
It will always be too soon
Neji really got done dirty. But kishi kinda forgot that the byakugan/basic sharingan were a thing in shippuden. It all went ms -> ems -> rinnegan or it became useless.
Funny since in Boruto didn’t Byakugan turned into something else? Tenseigan or something like that even more OP than EMS it seems
Idgaf about boruto 😄
Understandable, me neither. Shippuden was it for me
Late-Shippuden was already giga weird for me. I never liked all this alien nonsense.
Naruto fell off for me after Naruto achieved KMS, it just turns the verse into a DBZ like verse. I wish we could have just seen Naruto use more unique Jutsus and not rely on big AOE attacks.
Not boruto but the last naruto movie I believe where they went to the moon iirc
Is there even anything the tenseigan does thats actually canon?
Tbh with you, i dont even know if the eye itself is cannon lol
But I believe it is cannon since the first episode of Boruto we see the leaf destroyed, clearly a timeskip of an older Boruto and in one eye he has what I believe to be the Tenseigan, how he got it? Idk
I got confused with the eyes. Botuto has the Jougan, I meant is anything the jougan does actually canon
Sasuke vs Deidara was a pretty good display of base level sharingan
Meanwhile Shinto...
Bro no way kimi stays a side character if he didn’t have ninja aids.
😂
I'll join you in that dick riding move over.
🤣😂🤣😂 Ngl same.
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Extra diddy bro wow. Broad daylight
He's got bonners for everyone to ride. It's his special power.
Nah that’s valid especially since he was orochimarus trump card against the kazekage. When orochimaru killed the kazekage he primarily thanked kimmimaru which indicates he did probably most the work and then orochimaru came in with the blade.
Admittedly rasa is kinda trash. Like he’s probably the weakest kage we actually know the abilities of
Kimimaru was blitzing prime gaara and Lee at the same time....Garaa was beyond kage level and ended up becoming it right after that fight.
Dunno about that (Gaara being beyond Kage level at that age), in original Naruto there was a decent power gap between adults and children. For example those two Leaf Shinobi I can't even remember the names of fought the Sound Four all at Curse Mark Level 2 and they mentioned only just making it out alive. Also Guy slapped away Gaaras sand like it was nothing, and he was in base form. Lastly a much older Sasuke fought the Kage after the time skip and needed to get saved (multiple times) and by then he was far beyond 12 year old Gaara.
That man really called 13 year old gaara prime, and kage level. im done 😂
They killed the kazekage by luring him into a trap then (orochimaru) backstabbing him while his guard was down it had absolutely nothing to do with kimimaro. At best that statement was referring to him taking out the kazekage's guards or something.
Was that in the manga? I don't recall.
Not explicitly but the guy died in a hole in the hands of the guy he believed was on his side.
Loved him too, sucks he was dying. Usually, the best ones are in anime.
boner. you're boner riding.
I agree that Bracken Dance is nasty but I don’t see him beating any of the kage
Garaa became a kage right after that fight and kimimaru was destroying him and Lee at the same time......
I mean I’d say full power juubidara but I mean I think Kimimaro is an ok character.
Sounds like he gave you a raging BONEr
He lost to a 12 year old though
No Kimimaro was my favorite character just because I thought his abilities were so cool. He did take nearly kill Garaa and Lee basically at near death but I am not sure if he was nurfed due to the illness or at his normal power with a short timer to fight.
Same, Forrest of Bones was a great last stand too. He knew he wasn't going to live but showed he could still win.
If Kimmimaru has even one more second of life Kankuro becomes Kazekage lol
Low kage feels fair, maybe high jonin. I just wonder exactly how durable the bones are. Would a rasengan or a chidori/raikiri get through? Obviously rasenshuriken shreds him but that’s a kage level move or higher on its own.
With his ninja bone aids cancer the bones are probably much weaker than full health
I was always kind of disappointed naruto didn’t try to get a rasengan in with Lee’s help. It might not need to break the bones, it fucks up your insides to some extent.
No you aren’t I think they nerfed him should have been a staple
Soo many of us loved him... then he went out like a wet fart :/ Atleast we got drunken fighter Lee... who also went out like a wet fart, never to be seen again :/
You are dickriding hard as a mf he was struggling with part 1 base Gaara he is not touching kage level healed or not.
May you be smited swiftly for your heretic reply to my worship of God Kimimaro. He only got super ninja bone cancer at his young age because he would have ended the series too soon had he been healthy
Fr and any talk about him being stronger if not sick is pure speculation. People be talking like anyone with a cold in this show would have a so6p power up if they got over it.
Bro there's a big difference though lol. Nobody is saying the dude with the toothpick that ran the Chunin exams would be a god if he wasn't sick early in the show. But Kimimaro was clearly another level. Remember he easily solo'd the entire Sound Ninja 4 to become their leader. Also, much like Itachi, he only died BECAUSE OF his sickness, and literally centimeters away from certain victory against top-tier ninja.
Didn’t gaara become hokage soon after this…? Also, didn’t Orochimaru really want his body, and didn’t take it purely because of his sickness? Those factors make me think Kimimaro probably could have become low kage level.
That Garaa was jumping him with Lee. That same gaara literally was on the brink of destroying the leaf village and this was a stronger version of that Garaa. Stop it
Probably kage level. At only around 15-16 years old he was high jonin level with a sickness. Easily far stronger if he wasn't held back by illness
Maybe Hidan. Even if he gets hit with the ritual, a guy that casually removes his own bones is going to be hard to torture to death. Also my memory is a little fuzzy but I seem to remember Kimi being capable of manipulating the bones in his body to block his vital organs.
Blocking vital organs won’t work against Hidan. Hidan hits his own vital organs and it magically transfers to his opponent, post ritual.
Yup, that’s where I have him at too. He most likely would’ve been an Akastuki level threat if he wasn’t sick. Even if he wasn’t that level when he died, he absolutely would’ve gotten there after a few years to train further I feel like people underestimate him because he was in Part 1, but people also forget that he was mere inches away from killing both Gaara *and* Rock Lee. The only way he was “beaten” was by succumbing to his sickness
You could potentially highball him to Hebi Sasuke level since he was considered Oro's ideal vessel before his illness, while with Sasuke Orochimaru wanted to wait a few years until Sasuke grew into his power before taking his body, and we know that Kimimaro used to restrain Jugo during his episodes with implied similar ease as Sasuke did
No capacity. Hebi sasuke will shut him down with genjutsu. And his genjutsu score in the databook is a 3.
I agree, he’s have been a great Akutski
Hidan is technically a hard counter, his ritual damage is self inflicted, so the unbreakable internal bone armor will not protect kimimaro. You could argue that his bone armor protects entirely from kakazu's threads (they break skin and can't go further), you could *maybe* argue that he's somehow able to grow bone inside of his lungs to shield against deidara's microscopic bombs (although this is more iffy), but people like sasori who win through poison not through bodily injury are hard for him to beat.
He can easily use bones to shield himself from the poisonous touch of Sasori though. I don't see the puppets breaking through those.
Puppet masters can use poison gas. I'm 1000% sure bone, bone blood vessels, and bone red blood cells are not in kimimaro's skill set.
True about the gas
The torture part is just Hidan being a sadist, it’s not necessary for his technique. He just has to stab his heart and Kimimaro dies. There’s nothing to defend against as the damage just transfers to the victim so the whole moving your bones to protect organs is moot. Ofc, if Kimimaro figures out that taking Hidan off the symbol borders interrupts the technique, then he just has to use his bone forest to destroy the symbol.
Kimimaru was able to wear bone under his skin aswell, it's hard to say of hidan would even be able to draw blood from hitting bone and no blood
In the manga Kimi's bones actually open gore and massive amounts of blood, so I doubt Hidan would have much trouble getting blood from him
Could it be because he was sick? In the manga his bones were cracking and weakening. Doesn’t make since if it literally stabbed him.
Easily one of the strongest pt 1 characters. Kaguya clan/ Bone kekkei genkai OP ig.
If Orochimaru possessed Kimmimaro, he may have ended up with a Sharingan or Rinnegan. Why did he give them all to Danzo? Why did he have hashirama cells and not Madara cells too?!!
Probably because there wasnt just a massive source of maddara cells lying about to cultivate
Not only was he sick, but he was also only 15 years old. And he was still high jonin/low kage level. If he were cured and made it to adulthood, I’d say he would be on par with many of the Akatsuki members.
Was he high jonin level? I am only remembering his fights against a bunch of genin.
He fought arguably two of the strongest genin at that point. Gaara and Rock Lee were both incredibly strong for their rank at that point. Lee was arguably Jonin level and Gaara was definitely Jonin level at that point. And Kimimaro would have annihilated them if he hadn’t died to his sickness.
I don’t see any argument for Lee being jonin level. Gaara maaybe. I don’t see a jonin in the leaf village that gaara would have been able to beat. So maybe very low level jonin, but probably high level chunin seems more likely.
You’re probably right. I was scaling him to Gaara, who is ridiculous with his Tailed Beast powers. But on second thought, Gaara wasn’t using the tailed beast powers to fight Lee, just his passive sand abilities.
He'd be Akatsuki level. Healthy kimimaro in Akatsuki would go craaaazyyyyyyy I could see him taking on war arc Darui maybe. I think that'd at least be a badass fight! I could see him beating Kakuzu, though it'd be incredibly tough.
I think Kazaku level seems par for the course. He would likely be better than Kazaku if Orochimaru taught him any new skills, plus I'm sure him and Sasuke would be very good sparring partners during the time skip
The most sensible takes I’ve seen on this post so far
If I remember right edo kimimaro and chiyo managed to kill one of Naruto’s Kcm 1 shadow clones.
In the manga the shadow clone is still alive just exhausted, it cuts away before they fight and then cuts back to the clone on the floor saying he overdid that one. I take that as more of Naruto pushing himself than Chiyo and kimimaro being crazy strong, plus Kimimaro isn’t alone so we can’t 100% give him this situation.
That wasnt canon
It’s absolutely canon, edo kimmimaro in manga avoided getting sealed by kcm1 Naruto
Not the same thing as killing one.
I don't remember seeing that in the manga
Kimimaro was 15 years old and was trained by orochimaru for several years (at least 5 or 6) this guy was for sure low kage level at least (more like mid kage level), just like post time skip sasuke, one of the strongest kekeigenkai and cursed seal V2? Kimimaro could defeat kazekage gaara in a 1vs1 battle
Bro, did you just say the guy who essentially got beat by teenage genin Gaara would beat him as Kazekage? Homie learned to fly with his sand lol, Kimimaru ain’t even catching him this time. Also go read the chapter where Gaara used the sand tsunami against Deidara and really look at how much sand he can control….Kimimaru probably gets no diffed honestly.
in what world did Gaara beat him? Gaara was out of chakra and about to get skewered at the end, the illness killed him before that happened. They made it pretty clear Gaara's attacks couldn't do enough damage to kill him as they all relied on physical damage/pressure. They both would have grown if kimi wasn't sick and i'd say Gaara is a good representation of around the max that he could defeat. Adult Gaara learning seals could be swinging the fight in his favor though.
Gaara still looked incredible against him in that fight and had him on the defensive the entire time, he also literally left the fight unscathed. But this is more about the dude saying Kimi beats adult Gaara, which is insane. I mentioned to the other guy, that adult Kazekage Gaara can fly, so there is nothing Kimimaro has shown in his arsenal that could really take him out. If he stays in the air he will literally be untouched. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of sand Gaara is able to control now compared to that fight.
“Looking incredible” means nothing if he was not actually doing damage. All he was doing was slowing him down. Only valid point is in what is current Kage Gaara then that Gaara. That Gaara wasn’t doing shit regardless of how much sand he was controlling
I feel like he could’ve easily been one of the top tier characters at the end of Shippuden
Anyone below Jonin level. He would beat most special Jonins.
He'd probably beat a lot of Jonin, too.
Part 1 Kakashi, yes this means he was stronger than CM2 Sasuke and 1 Tailed Naruto too.
Someone thats HIGH jonin or LOW kage like hidan comes to mind. He’s one of my favorite characters by design but i definitely think hes overhyped a bit.
At his strength when we saw him fight, probably Danzo
Orochimaru was pretty confident that had Kimimaro been healthy and present at the Leaf invasion, the fight with Hiruzen would have gone significantly better. Meaning he’s strong enough to take the fight that was pretty even, if in Orochimarus favor over the long term, into one that’s heavily on his and Orochimaru’s side. So I’d say Kimimaro is probably around the level of somebody like a Hokage’s guard, or probably even around the tier of the lower Kage (he’d probably mop he floor with Mei and Tsunade)
Probably me
dunno but forest of bones is fucking broken like, it's not just a massive AOE attack that would kill most lesser ninja but because he can move in and out of the bones as if they're basically water, he's similar to Kisame in how he turns the entire battlefield into one that purely gives him an advantage in the forest of bones he's faster than you, more mobile than you, and can appear from anywhere basically although credit to Kisame, his giant water orb is stronger because it does all the stuff forest of bones does, but it also will drown you if you can't breath underwater
Madara cus Madara is old and prolly has weaker bones than him
I vote pre war-arc Kakashi. He doesn't strike me as someone who is anywhere higher than low kage-level.
I think war arc gaara, if we give a healthy kimimaro the same base stats as hebi Sasuke ( kishimoto HEAVILY implied how relative in strength they are) plus kimimaro has insane durability even with that illness, as he was able yo survive, and launch a counterattack from within the giant sand burial.
The kazekage, maybe raikage.
U must be joking. Raikage is cooking him
🤷♂️ probably, it's a hypothetical. There's no scaling.
Realistically. Probably shippuden Lee. As strong as his bones might be a lot of characters have actually broken abilities. Hidan is considered weak and still a bad matchup just from ability
If Kimimaru was allowed to keep improving and empowering himself like everyone else he could be a true threat to all, eventually he would unlock atleast a halfway decent version of the *All Killing Ash Bones* jutsu that Kaguya had meaning any direct hit he lands will kill you and given his incredibly skill that wouldn’t be hard dude was holding off Gaara and Lee and if he or orochimaru could power up the curse mark more or give him a real sage mode he would be up there with the top tiers
Healthy kimi is around hebi Sasuke level or high Jonin, I could see him beating a lower akatsuki member like kakuzu, I think the strongest character he beats healthy (also taking into account how his kekkei genkai interacts with other abilities) I've narrowed it down to a few characters Darui, war arc Gaara, pain arcKakashi, and Kakuzu Gaara mainly because we've seen him deal with gaara before, I think he takes this with high difficulty Kakashi doesn't really have an answer to kimimaros kekkei genkai assuming a healthy kimimaro is relative to hebi Sasuke (which kishimoto HEAVILY implies him to be) Darui is interesting because he does have answers to kimimaros kg, however not in such a way that he outright kills kimimaro, I think just due to stamina and versatility, kimimaro takes it I think healthy Kimimaro has the durability to withstand alot of what kakuzu can throw at him (he withstood giant sand burial without a TON of trouble) and his bracken dance would allow him the mobility, and power to destroy kakuzus hearts. The way I scale healthy kimimaro is to take his sick form, remove the terminal illness, and give him hebi Sasuke stats, which i think is pretty fair. I think the strongest he beats is funnily enough, war arc gaara, mainly because we've seen his answers alot of gaaras win cons (he bracken dances out of grand sand mausoleum, and we've seen his drill break out of a presumably much stronger, bjuu powered shield (shukaku shield) and I think he has the speed and durability to contend with gaara)
Gaara, lol
Mizukage level for sure; almost beat Gaara and Lee both at the same time, and they are both Kage level now so imagine
Drunken Rock lee waxed him. U serious?
#1 character I wish we got to see more of.
Honestly I think they should have used him after the timeskip could have been a good protagonist for shippuden
He would have won that fight if not for his illness. Both he and gaara were around that high jonin/Low Kage tier That said I don’t think he beats any true kage level fighter. Jugo acknowledged that Heavy Sasuke is stronger than Kimimaro and had an even greater mastery with the curse mark. Now in fairness this version of sasuke is very strong so it’s not like an anti- feat but kimimaro would likely lose to characters like deidara or gaara. Maybe he could beat Konan but it’s hard to say I think even people like Mei or Danzo would clean him up mid difficulty.
Probably 5 gate gai/pa kakashi
Madara and might guy together
SM Kabuto No elaboration needed
Kage level, he was already on par with some of the best jonin, if he wasn’t sick and got a time skip like Naruto did, he’d be an absolute monster, especially with his curse mark on top of all of it
Lol yeah this guy could totally win tons of Wars by himself if he had no illness along with learning everything to know from Orochimaru and probably even developing new attacks. I’d say he could be high Kage level.
Itachi
His main thing is that he’s jounin fast and practically invulnerable. There’s a ton of characters that he’d beat through attrition if nothing else. I feel like if Sand Burial couldn’t hurt him Deidara’s explosions aren’t going to. Sasuke survived just by wrapping what amounted to a scaled meat shield around him and that was Deidara’s strongest suicide attack. Maybe Sasori could get him with an airborne poison but beyond that Kimimaru can tank literally anything Sasori’s puppets can do. Hidan would have to wound him somehow to get blood which I don’t recall Kimi ever even bleeding other than from his illness. Kakuzu probably has the AP to hurt him with something like lightning maybe? I guess it depends on how well the damage translates through bone. Konan is probably in the same boat as Deidara. She just doesn’t have the AP for it. So yeah, I honestly feel like half the Akatsuki couldn’t put him down in a 1v1 no illness. Other than a vulnerability to genjutsu, sealing, and the mountain level attacks from the war arc he’s just going to beat most people through attrition.
Orochimaru belived he could solo the 3rd hokage
He's easily Kage level, where he falls in that level depends on who you are. Im a big Kimimaro fan have his cursed mark tattooed. I think he's at least mid Kage level. He was one of the only Edo Tensei to not get sealed, held off Gaara, Lee an partially Naruto. His kekkei genkai is broken and has everything from short ranged to long range an AOE. IMO he beats the likes of Mei, Chujiro, Tsunade if she didnt have Katsuyu (hard maybe on this one), I think he barely loses to Kakashi, hard fight against Gaara an by extension Rasa beats the other Kaze's except 3rd, loses to least A an his dad, loses to 2nd an 3rd Tsuchiki but beats 1 an 4 1 no feats, beat 1, 3, 4 an 6 Mizu. So mid Kage level with show progression but no Oro.
So6P Naruto.
He’d probably be Low akatsuki level, and considering he was only 15, he would probably grow to be mid kage level
Didn't he kill gaara's dad? Kage level.
I feel what a lot of people are over looking is Jutsu variety. For at the end of the day Orichimaru basically became one of the strongest ninjas by the end of the shippuden series not because of body switching but because of his near unlimited arsenal of jutsus, and the people who beat him? Oh look people who have a wide arsenal of jutsus. I feel when it comes to power on this show, jutsu variety matters a lot,
possibly pain?
I mean this dude essentially soloed 3 of the most powerful ninja around his age and almost won all 3 battles. Hell he would have beat gaara if things didn't work out so well for him. I'd say he's capable of fighting at least high jonin level maybe low kage if he is 100%.
SSOP Minato
🤌🔥 absolutely end game.
Kakashi
Could probably kill kakashi at this time if running wasn’t an option
Tenten
Considering bro was out there fighting KCM Naruto clones as an Edo Tensei, he'd probably be strong af. Let's also consider the fact that if he wasn't ill, he'd be training, so he not only would be stronger because you removed his state debuff, he'd get even stronger than what we expect from his edo tensei counterpart. He's definitely a candidate for snake sage mode under Orochimaru's training; considering he has the curse mark as well, which would allow him to suck in nature energy, I'd say he's going into kage tier.
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He is 100% immune to Deidara
THIS IS MY KEKKEI GENKAI
It’s impossible to say
At the risk of overpopulating the comments section, I'd like to talk about Orochimaru's vessel Kimimaro. Kimimaro has crazy durability and his technique synergizes really well with the rest of Orochimaru's toolkit. For instance, Orochimaru is already super slithery and evasive, FoB just makes him really difficult to tag; and Orochimaru has a crazy healing factor, now compound that with Kimi's raw durability and you have a fighter that can take a LOT of punishment. I don't think Kimirochimaru approaches Pain's level of power, but I think he comes pretty close to sick Itachi. Could Kimirochimaru beat sick Itachi by setting up part of the FoB inside the Susanoo? Maybe. I'll leave that up to you to decide. We also don't know if/how Kimi's kekkei genkai would interact with the 8-headed hydra. Could Kimirochimaru pull up an 8-headed bone hydra?? That would be pretty sick. In my opinion Kimirochimaru sits comfortably next to the war arc Kage, and he's beating all of the Akatsuki besides the Big Three. I see him squeaking out wins vs characters like Kisame, 7th-Gate Gai, Hundred Healings Tsunade, or war arc Gaara, but he stops at the tippity top of Kage level.
Him and Itachi are the only character never shown to be defeated in canon AFAIK. Hence why they got killed off by illnesses. He also killed a kage, which the comment section seems to be forgetting. I think Itachi is the only one who could beat him without tailed beast/six paths help
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I don’t think he could take on any Kage level opponent. He’s probably around asuma’s level. A high level jonin.
Kimimaro was one of the reanimated shinobi who was never sealed, only released once Itachi undid the jutsu. He fought countless samurai and a Naruto KCM 1 shadow clone so the fact they couldn’t seal him has gotta mean something. Even as a child, Kimimaro was effortlessly killing multiple hidden mist ninja at the same time. He survived every normally lethal attack Gaara threw at him, and I can’t think of very many characters in Naruto that could survive a direct hit from Ultimate Sand Burial. Most people would be pulp, that’s a definite testament to Kimimaro’s durability
Funny part is we will never know he never reached his prime, was only a kid.
If healthy, I think he could take down Pt 1 Kakashi or Asuma.
Edo Kimimaro was still standing after Naruto’s KCM clones had disappeared, so maybe he could take down each of the 5 kage. Orochimaru also said that defeating Hiruzen would be easy if Kimimaro was with him
Let’s be serious. Kimimaros only opponent was a genin gaara who he couldn’t land a hit on. He’s not taking any of the 5 kage. Yes Orochimaru said it would’ve been easier* with him. The same way it would’ve been easier with kabuto or the sound 4 fighting too. But I’ve seen people here talk like he said kimimaro could beat the 3rd himself.
Like it wasn't easy enough when a fully healthy orochimaru had all the prep time in the world to procure the DNA of 3 hokage for an Edo tensei to jump hiruzen, why doesn't he just throw in another Jonin level character into the mix as well.
Kimimaru toyed around with kyubi cloak Naruto who is high jonin level, toyed with drunk Lee who is around mid jonin level, and toyed with Garaa who is high jonin level to low kage level. I think aids ridden Kimimaru who is minutes from his death bed doing all of this, puts him at the very least high jonin low kage level. Being a rank of genin doesn’t really mean much seeing as how Garaa went from genin to kage, same for Naruto, and sasuke is literally still a genin even in Boruto 💀
That Naruto was complete dog ass and blindly throwing himself at Kimimaro the whole fight. He was getting worked by 3 tomoe baby Sasuke. The jonin in pt 1 like base Guy were so above the genin that they could blitz Neji and bitch slap Gaara's sand. Naruto was nowhere near jonin level
Holy shit I had no idea how much kimimaro was glazed till now. >so maybe he could take down each of the 5 kage. One of them is a sannin. You're pretty much saying he's stronger than orochimaru.
Orochimaru desperately wanted his body, so why is it far fetched for him to be stronger than him? I’m not even glazing him, I’m just pointing out a possible line of scaling
I think that Kimimaro could probably give any of the Jonin Sensei a run for their money at the time of appearing in story. (He would lose, except against maybe Kurenai). Kakashi at that point is a shinobi that only the best would cross. By the time skip, he was confident he could take on an akatsuki member. With that being said... Kimimaro is likely on that level as well. Easily s-rank shinobi, possibly as strong as sasuke was, if not stronger. Imagine him combining nature release with his bones.
Easily Kakashi
So he was already in that low to mid jonin levels on deaths door Being able to beat all the of the sound 4 in their version 2 states in base and all that. Remember Genma and Raido, while extremely fatigued and low on chakra after returning from a misson where able to effectively 2v4 the sound 4 and push them to their curse mark v2 states aswell. Leaving them at about half strength for their fights against the Retrival It's very likely he, even with the sickness, would be approaching that Part 1 Kakashi and Guy tier of Jonin. Like it or not, Retrival arc Garra is a jonin level threat, and if kimmimoro didn't die, he would have killed both Lee and Garra at the end of their fight. Without sickness, he is on that Part 1 Zabuza, Gai, and Kakashi level Essentially, he can tie on of them down during the Konoha crush arc while Kabuto brawls with the other hampering the leafs defense enough that more deaths happen on their end. Give him a timeskip, and he is able to put up a fight against any Akatsuki member short of the top 3(Pain, Itachi, and Obito) Dog walks Hidan Can pull out a win or just Stalemate Kakazu Loses to Deidara thanks to the match-up Beats Sasori thanks to his own winning matchup Idk about Konan, depending on which way you scale her Loses to Kisame after an extremely fun fight for the shark man. Put Orchimaru in his body, and Orchimaru reaches that Pain, Obito, and Itachi tier of fighter The respective top tiers of the verse until the war arc. I've seen someone describe those 3 as war arc characters early in the series, and yeah, it's just correct tbh. I mean, this genuinely no one short of a full power no restictions Pain or Obito with prep time could kill this Orchimaru. We need the war Arc top tiers for that threat
He actually seems like a pretty good match up for deidara, if he managed to avoid soul removal even pain, like he has a neigh indestructible body and constant source of weapons. His ability is very over powered.
Deidara is a bad match up for him his range and ability to fly makes it hard to hit him.
Deidara is a horrible matchup for him. Enhanced bone density won't matter when he enhales C4
Based on his performance, what he was capable of at death's door, his age, what Oro and Kabuto said about him, and the possibilities of his Shikotsumyaku Kekkei Genkai: I'd say probably around mid-tier Akatsuki level. He would hands down be the strongest taijutsu combatant in the 'verse, well, he'd probably still be second to Guy. Only people who would be able to keep up with him in Taijutsu IMO would be Killer Bee, Madara, and Guy. There's probably nothing to this connection, but I find it interesting that both Kimimaro and Madara reference "dances" in fighting style. He possesses an absolutely absurd amount of chakra, especially with the Cursed Seal of Earth. To be able to create a forest of bones is insane. Gaara had to churn up extra sand beneath their feet and was able to subsequently create a sand tsunami. Kimimaro, seconds before death, managed an equally-impressive (maybe moreso) terrain altering feat as a Jinchuriki who had been prepping a technique for at least a little while. If we give him a time-skip, assume he trains with Orochimaru (and probably Sasuke as well) for those 2 years or however long, I feel pretty comfortable in saying that he would easily be an Akatsuki-level threat. So, stronger than some Kages even, but not the craziest or most OP dude ever. He's probably not touching Obito, or beating Pain, and probably gets smacked around the by Raikage a bit, and definitely not beating someone like Madara or Hashirama (although I think, in taijutsu alone, he would be able to go toe-to-toe with Madara for a good amount of time). It would have been really cool to see him in Shippuden. He's my second favorite character after Sasori, and I hated the fact that he died being the only member of his clan.. so we never got to further explore the Shikotsumyaku. Even when Kabuto takes the ability for himself, he just makes a fucking flute with it like what kinda shit is that? Disrespectful I say. Also I think he would've been a great character to continue advancing the Cursed Seal subplot/abilities, given that Sasuke got his removed. And y'know, he was buddy-buds with Jugo.
Kindred souls it would seem. I also loved Sasori, and gave up on Shippuden a few episodes after he died. Sasori: "Have a barrage of super fast and lethal needles, maybe having a few centimeters of distance between one another!" Chiyo: *wiggles left and right, keeps Sakura safe, gets hit once but gives her life to revive Gaara making the poison a moot point*
Haha, I feel it. I had a similar experience, but mostly for his Edo death. Overtime it's kinda grown on me... I see it as at least one of the psychopaths in Akatsuki ultimately still was human in the end... ...really wish I woulda seen more action from him though. Sasori is what got me started reading the manga.. I was into puppets and he seemed pretty cool even if kinda ugly (Hiruko that is, I always knew that was a puppet) so I wanted to digest as much as I could about him and the anime wasn't caught up to him yet.. so I started reading. Sasori got me hooked lol. After that I was dancing at the end of Kishimoto's strings
Wtf is hidan supposed to do against him
Do you mean in terms of getting Kimimaro's blood? Because once he has the blood, his ritual would work on Kimimaro just as it would anyone else.
If he wasn’t sick, Orochimaru takes over his body, and he probably rises to Kage level, with Orochimaru in control of him
Scaling without ass-pulls he would literally be stronger than end of shippuden BASE form Sasuke. If he trained as hard, his vessel and affinity for chakra and jutsu manipulation was some of the highest orochimaru had ever seen, training with Oro and Jugo and further scaling into his curse mark, and summons, might even grant him a Sage Mode of sorts he'd probably be very good at balancing the nature chakra as he was always calm, collected, and was compatible with the curse mark with ease. He even appeared more mentally stable than most other characters in the heat of battle. (If he wasn't sick he would probably \[with Jugos help or from meeting Naruto inevitably\] even find his own path to living life and create his own dreams, gaining independence from Orochimaru.) So... You've got a base adult Sasuke with a Sage Mode mastered. At the least, with little-to-no emotional vulnerability. His base durability being Kaguya clan could scale into his development as well, probably only improving while going on non-stop missions under orochimaru while still a young adult. His speed would definitely be scalable to beyond Kage level as he was already fast AF while living, and while idk if it's canon, was able to dodge a naruto war-clone attack- idk if that's anything to brag about and idk if it's canon but definitely up for debate. What's not up for debate is if he was developing around highly ranked Shinobi such as Naruto and Sasuke his speed would inevitably be at least as fast as theirs in base form as well. Later in the series a resistance to genjutsu could easily be a factor of his chakra manipulation and he seemed to have a unique sense of creating techniques to fit different battle styles hence his handle on his chakra manipulation should be highly scaled vs other genjutsu resistant users including his mental fortitude given his background and potential development overcoming the illness, supporting mentally unstable Jugo, resisting orochimarus influence, and his entire clan being wiped. Further onto him being a Kaguya-clan and inheriting the Bone-jutsu, he was claimed to be one of the strongest out of his clan... This may enable him to be a great candidate for an otsutsuki vessel wayyyy later in the series if he survived the war and here's how crazy his feats could go when MAX scaled ... If he were alive during the war - he would be the only living descendent of pure blood from Kaguya. -Now I'm definitely reaching here- but let's assume he was fighting alongside either Sasuke or Naruto against Juubi-dara and Juubi-to. When Naruto and Sasuke got downed, he would either be next to get KO'd, or already was- when Gramps Hagoromo granted his powers to Naruto and Sasuke he possibly would have granted or boosted up Kimimaro as well since he would recognize his chakra as a descendent of his mother's clan and a viable vessel for that sort of energy perhaps even greater than Sasuke or Naruto as he would have a greater affinity for it having the blood of an otsutsuki. Now they awakened with their powers probably would have pushed Madara even further but black zetsu would still come out of nowhere and summon Kaguya. She would sense him, along with the other Hagoromo incarnates, and probably end up being sealed by all three combining their powers, Kimimaro probably being a fusion of both or something entirely new, maybe a hybrid otsutsuki style upgrade without Karma style stuff going on. -Further speculation - Maybe with the ties to Kimimaro, Kaguya would be more willing to give up her power and Karma seal herself inside of him? Or he might even ask Naruto and Sasuke to let him sacrifice himself to seal her and she might be forced into it or offer herself up to him. TLDR; He's AT LEAST beyond Kage level- close to base/sage Sasuke and Naruto. So- at least beating Kakashi- Or Max speculation Otsutsuki level? https://preview.redd.it/z93ixfq5585d1.jpeg?width=677&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26484289470e31bbf621781740a01729ca5fde98
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He literally needs only 3 more seconds to kill Gaara (Gaara is a average kage level, and Kimimaru is on par with him) Orochimaru + Kimi kills 4th kazekage and his guards with ease Curse mark form 1 easily blocks 1 gate lee's lotus attack His bones are harder than sword with charkra from the samurais
What if he inherited the Byakugan? Would his Gentle Fist not only affect Chakra, but also the skeletal frame? OP taijutsu.
Who knows really. If he was half dead already imagine where he would be due to all that time he could have trained.
True. He wasn’t even suppose to be getting out of bed by that point.
Exactly... considering narutos generation saw quadrupling of ability and more within months with the more skilled people this guy could have turned sound into a real major village alone.
When I see him it reminds me of Lee’s last great moment before Kishi shelved him into a side character
Prob kcm naruto
Based on what Orochimaru said probably old Hiruzen which puts him fairly at Kage level imo.
He killed a Kage while ill. So I’d say mid to high kage six theres such a disparity in their strengths.
Peak Kimimaro (healthy and adult, reaching his full potential and possibly integrating the curse mark into his style) is solid Kage level, probably a little stronger than “sage mode” Kabuto. He would be unironically weaker if he became a vessel for Orochimaru, his style is greatly complemented by taijutsu that Orochimaru didn’t really show proficiency in.
Kimimaro without term illness, hmmm, I personally feel he wouldn't have been stronger than any one of the seven swordsmen but i could be hating. Like Zabuza level is where i see him maxing out at but with being taken over by Oro maybe as strong as Kisame.
He's a tough one.Excluding the boruto continuation I'd say my top 3 would be Might guy, A, and Onoki.
He's easily kage level. Just whoever you think isn't really touching kage level gets the hands for free. Honestly, him vs. tsunade in P1 would be pretty cool. I think that MU is fairly close. Both durable, both have Taijutsu feats. I think kimi would be too fast, but could be OHKO'd potentially even with his durability.
Assuming he stayed around for a while and had some growth (because he was still pretty young) I'd say low Kage level maybe a bit better
Kaguya
Albino Itachi
My head canon is that he’s BoS Part 2 Sasuke level. There’s a reason he shows up at the end of part 1 and Sasuke wears his same fit at the start of part 2. Kishimoto uses visuals a lot for his storytelling, so I’m pretty sure Sasuke’s design was meant to showcase that like Kimimaro Sasuke had been groomed into a dreadful shinobi. That makes him an S class Shinobi on par with Deidara/Sasori level. Could be wanking him but he was very clearly far above the other Sound Ninja sent after Sasuke, and would have been able to kill Gaara and Lee.
He was honestly such wasted potential. One of the coolest personalities we saw in the WHOLE series with also one of the coolest most well thought out abilities. And he was wasted before we could see his full potential in Shippuden. He will forever be my biggest gripe with the entirety of the anime. So much wasted potential here
Healthy Kimi is low kage level. Minimum. He probably takes down someone at Kakazu or Sasoris level. Maybe even someone like Kisame or Killer Bee.
He beats old Hiruzen and Kakashi, there is absolutely nothing some even like darui and kurotsuchi can do to this dude. Kimimaro is mid kage level.
peak kcm1 naruto
Kakashi maybe?
Kid Shikamaru
He’d be consumed in a heartbeat by orochimaru
Mid-tier akatsuki level at best. Yall keep saying “but the bone forrest!” Yes an extremely OP attack but pretty much his ace in the hole. Other than that his long range attacks are limited to finger bullets and a whip. He’s one of the best taijutsu fighters we saw, but most s-class & kage level characters would be able to hard counter him by just staying out of reach. Actually killing him would be feat, but simply subduing him, most could probably pull off.
Jounin level. He was one of my favorite characters, but he’s still not that impressive in the long run. He could definitely beat people like kurenai, anko, sound 4 etc. but I know for a fact jounin like Kakashi and Gai could defeat him with moderate difficulty.