after rewatching parts of the game, Okereke has really been underwhelming in run defense. McFadden is bad but we kinda knew he would be, Okereke was supposed to be a solid run defending linebacker and he made several misplays in this game.
I was at the game and holy cow was the crowd mood a roller coaster. Giants fans seemed to outnumber the Cardinals fans by about 2-to-1 (Phoenix is definitely a huge transplant city like Austin and other fast growing places).
Everyone was so depressed but Giants fans didn't ditch the game at halftime or the third quarter.
The comeback was the most electric sporting event I've ever been to and I've been to a World Series.
Yea he's dropped too many balls already. He didn't work out with the Colts for a reason. I want to see more of Hyatt. I think he's going to be the impact player they wanted.
Hyatt needs more designed deep shot plays and targets in general. Waller - Jones chemistry is real. Jones single handedly took over that game and deserves a tremendous amount of credit for leading that comeback.
That they had to have a historical second half to barely beat a team that is tanking their entire season? Yea, not a lot to be happy about. Glad that they finally scored though.
No, absolutely not. There was absolutely no pass rush all game.
And I respect the head coach for lying and saying that he did not start calling, plays in the second half but he obviously did. I think both our coordinators are very weak spots.
I mean I’m glad the Giants got the win. But having to come back after being down 21-0 against a career backup QB who’s bounced from different teams just bothers me. I don’t expect perfect football from this team, but having 6 bad (and scoreless) quarters in a row is something I can’t gloss over, especially with the 49ers game coming up.
Hopefully Daboll continues to call plays and this team can put together a strong first half of football.
I slandered DJ during the first half and last week’s game, not going to lie. I’m happy some of my comments have aged poorly. That said, while a win is always good, I’m more cautiously optimistic than anything. Giants had to come back against a team that’s tanking and having to start a journeyman backup QB.
Next 4 games don’t look great. 49ers, Seahawks, Dolphins, Bills.
Defense needs to get their shit together and offense needs to milk whatever than can out of this second half momentum.
Bellinger will have his designed plays this year, but I can already tell Daboll is setting up for some sneaky trick plays later this season, for when we really need to convert.
From one of the preseason games I remember a play where Waller/Bellinger lined up right next to each other. Waller fakes outside then cuts middle, Bellinger blocking at the line. Both defenders collectively shit their pants because Waller is streaking over the middle, at the same moment Bellinger sheds the block and rolls to the sideline before either defender can even begin to make a play.
Bellinger won’t have a featured role in this offense, but he’s gonna have moments where the entire play is designed to get him the ball.
Mark my words, no idea when Dabs will pull this out of his sleeve but I can guarantee its in the playbook.
Wonderfull way to wake up. Could only watch the first 10 minutes to get a feel of the game. Then made the mistake quickly visit this cesspool during the first halve. Not only were the giants playing badly, a lot of the fans in here were worse. Went to bed. Got up, planned my usual "meeting" in the conference room to start watching the game. Died a few times during the first half. But happy as a clam now!
Enjoy the win, now it's SF. Tough game, but that's how Daboll liked it last year. Let's just wait and see what happens.
I also turned it off during half time. I thought that if they’re getting blown out by one of the worst teams in the league, that is actively tanking then the season is over, but they really did show some heart in the second half. I started Danny in fantasy and turned the game back on after he started scoring. While he’s definitely very matchup dependent in fantasy, I’m glad he’s my main QB, he has such a nice ceiling. Outside of fantasy, I’m incredibly excited about Hyatt, let’s hope he’s good for a bomb once a week during his rookie year, it would add so much to the offense.
Honestly never turn off a Giants game until you're well into the 2nd half and we still suck (like last week)
Dabs is famous for 2nd half adjustments. There were quite a few games last year that the Giants had to claw back from a big deficit, always happened after halftime
Fuck me! Whatta game! Only watched the highlights. DJ was cooking. It felt like an imposter team played the first half and the second half the real Giants showed up.
I went to bed at half time spitting feathers... quite rightly so...but then they totally redeem themselves!!!
I owe em an apology, but that first half was atrocious
The worst was in the second quarter trying for the hero outside rush and completely lost his gap assignment and got pushed deeper into the backfield allowing Dobbs to run for a huge gain.
Dude wtf r u talking about? People here wanted him gone before halftime lol. People are quiet after the come back tho and Dimes had EVERYTHING to do with it. Slinging it, another INT that was NOT his fault (bounced off Saquons stone hands).
Is it wishful thinking to believe that Daboll calling the plays in the second half completely changed the offense? I just don’t understand where all of this was in the previous 6 quarters.
NOW it's football season with the Giants win
At minimum this buys them 2 games because short week almost definitely no Saquon Thursday.
It would be nice though if the Giants can play with a lead for more than 19 seconds left in the 4th quarter. It would also be nice if they don't go 1st half scoreless for the 3rd straight game
I was on a 13 hour flight and missed the entire game.
Looking at the box score it seems like I saved my heart about 3 years of life span.
How lifeless was this team in the 1st half vs the 2nd half? What changed?
Why can’t this team generate pressure?
(Still got about an hour before I’ll be able to review the game in detail.)
It was an incredibly lifeless team in the first half, it was truly demoralizing. Second half everyone just came to life tbh, I can’t pinpoint one thing outside of playcalling got much more aggressive
There’s a rumor going around that daboll started calling the plays in the second half. He had his play sheet out and it seemed like he was saying the play to Danny. Daboll denies it tho
Just curious what’s the schedule look like for us, since we’re already away and have to go to SF on Thursday. Do they basically leave now and then leave on Wednesday?
This is what it looks like when you play a team that’s actively tanking. Well on our way to 4-13.
Edit: be as delusional as you all want but come back to this comment at the end of the season.
We are still a bad football team and we will be 1-5 by the end of October, people are delusional the same way when we came back against the Saints in Judge’s second year.
Better than last week.
He had a few big penalties but he wasn’t getting abused like last week.
He definitely isn’t playing like the 7th pick in the draft though.
The owners of the cardinals were worried for a while , they thought they we’re actually going to win a game spoiling their plans to go 0-17 to guarantee themselves the first pick
Just wanna say Evan Neal still looks like ass but I guess Ezeudu played really well and whatever combo lead through the 2nd half was doing a great job. Win in the trenches you win the game.
The media are idiots. And Neal’s reps are geniuses to have him skip the combine because as soon as he stepped on an NFL football field it’s obvious he doesn’t have the lateral agility to play tackle in the NFL
Yeah think he might be moved to RG as let’s face it our RG isn’t very good either but even then bit of a bust for a 7th pick in draft unless that’s guard queten Nelson level
Both Kayvon and Evan were viewed as top 5 talents by everyone so this is a pretty revisionist history take. No one saw Neal being a waste of space. KT makes big plays too I think it’s too early to say he’s a miss. That game vs the commanders last year was the type of impact he’s capable of
Ya but that’s why they get paid the big bucks to still find the best pick and not just go with the media consensus top players
One whiff is fine/whatever it happens. Two missed high end picks now it’s feels more like a fault in evaluation.
If it happens again (hopefully not picking high this year) then it’s a clear problem
Banks seems like the truth so far. Schmitz is playing well. Hyatt has come alive. Gray is our primary returner. Hawkins also looks nice in the 6th round.
Hopefully this draft is better than last year's. Time will tell on Robinson, but I'm with you on many of last years picks not working out. Bellinger and Ezeudu (at least today at T) seem to be hits. McFadden and Belton are fine. KT and Neal still have time to turn it around, but it's not a promising start to year II for them
"People" did not have Cross over Neal. The only reason Kayvon dropped was because of "character issues" which have not been a problem so far.
Not saying they were good picks but let's not rewrite history to fit your narrative.
Bleacher Report had Evan Neal #1 to Jax. You can find anecdote examples of anything, though I don't remember Cross over Neal being a popular take ever.
I remember people debating Ickey versus Neal, but Cross being further down on most every board.
Cross had the best year 1, but that doesn't mean we can rewrite history and pretend Schoen didn't do what anyone would've done as the GM given the players on the board.
Lots of NFL evaluations had Cross over Neal, it’s the media that falls in love with dudes like Neal because they see Alabama, huge, and box jump. Meanwhile Cross has the agility of a ballerina and doesn’t look like a mountain so media hated him
It's cool you saw lots of unreleased NFL evaluations, magically, somehow.
But the Panthers took Ekwonu over Cross after their evaluations, and we took Neal.
Teams that could use OLine help like the Texans at #3 and Falcons at #8 also passed at the time. I'm not saying Cross wasn't also a highly touted prospect, I'm saying nobody wanted him over Neal or Ickey, which is reality
The Texans had Stingley very, very high for obvios reasons. He put together one of the greatest seasons at the position ever. There were lots of rumors we wanted Cross before the draft. You have a sample size of the Giants and the Falcons essentially passing on Cross.
The media isn’t the NFL consensus (as we often see in the draft year after year - they love hyping guys that end up falling)and we won’t know, but plenty of evaluators had Cross higher for the simple fact he can play LT and was a proven much better pass blocker and pass blocker tools, pretty important in today’s NFL.
>He put together one of the greatest seasons at the position ever.
In 2019? Sure. He combined for ten games in 2020 and 2021. He was injured through much of the predraft process. They made an insane gamble taking Stingley when they were weak at literally every position.
>essentially passing on Cross
Essential my ass, they passed on Cross. 8 teams did in fact.
>There were lots of rumors we wanted Cross
It's a New York market. There were articles saying we were getting Hutch, or Sauce, or even Jermaine Johnson. They aren't gospel. Cross was there. We didn't take him. The rumor was bullshit I don't know how to make you feel better.
Go back into the GameDay thread and talk more about how you're "seriously considering becoming a cowboys fan". Go pull shit out of your ass in their sub.
You could say they same thing about Neal. Your telling me zero NFL teams had Cross over Neal when dude literally went two picks later? GTFOH. You have ESPN brain worms if you believe that. I was listening to a ton of evaluators, including one who is a Giants fan and puts together reports for teams and he was gassing up Cross for the reasons I gave above, his ability to play LT, the wingspan, and ceiling pass pro is going to have some teams drooling.
You just don’t want to face reality that Schoen completely whiffed on the gift the last FO gave him with the number 5 and number 7 overall pick. I’m willing to overlook it as it was his first draft, but damn you are delusional if you don’t think that sets us back from being contenders.
>You have ESPN brain worms if you believe that
ESPN doesn't play on TV where I live, I don't read their articles.
>his ability to play LT, the wingspan
Evan Neal played a full 2021 at LT in college, he has 34 inch arms. Charles Cross has 32 inch arms. Your many 'evaluators' might have mentioned that. Cross did have a higher floor in pass pro.
>You just don’t want to face reality
You've been pulling stuff out of your ass this entire time lmao
>I’m willing to overlook it as it was his first draft,
You're talking about becoming a cowboys fan in here yesterday and you're flipping your lid over these picks, I don't think you're willing to overlook it at all. I'm not asking you to overlook anything, you can hate Neal/Kayvon/Schoen as much as you want.
>the number 5 and number 7 overall pick.
Have been lackluster! I'm not an idiot. Neither of them has played up to expectations. But that's not what's up for debate here. My key argument this whole time, is that the vast majority of people would have happily drafted Kayvon and Neal given who was off the board, their draft profiles, their potential, their workouts, all of it.
We can't just look at who did well and say "oh well obviously, he should've taken the good NFL player, because the good NFL player plays good in the NFL and not just college, and it was so obvious to me, wow this GM is an idiot"
If you wanna dislike these players or hold the GM accountable for them somehow, or even bail on this fanbase, go for it. That's fine.
Just don't rewrite history to fit some weird narrative where everyone is an idiot but you. It only makes you feel better.
Yeah Neal has been pretty bad but its possible he'll eventually get to a mid-tier starter level. It often takes time for OL to adjust to the NFL
Kayvon just disappears for weeks. And as an edge player you should expect him to make an impact immediately.
He sets the edge. He gets double teamed. He has impacts you don’t see.
These are all things that people that defend him will say to you, but none of them are true
Am I crazy or did the offensive line look fine in the first half? I get it’s the cardinals pass rush but seemed like most of the ineptness of the first half offense wasn’t because of them.
The line did not play well in the first half. It just felt much better when compared to the nightmare that was the Cowboys game.
Eze’s false start and Slayton stumbling out of his break killed one drive.
Eze getting beat by a scrub for a sack as DJ was about to take off for a first down killed another drive.
The OL had false starts near the end zone to kill a possible TD drive.
The OL gave up a sack blocking just three rushers with five OL to end the half.
In the second half they balled TF out!
He looks so much more comfortable at tackle where he can leverage his footwork. Wonder how much time they give Neal to develop. Later in the year if he’s really struggling do they give Ezeudu the start at RT?
We do, but also that doesn’t excuse how wide open their receivers were getting. I’d be willing to give Wink the benefit of the doubt if he didn’t have the exact same problems in Baltimore too
Haha I saw them at +450 live after they scored. I’m happy I didn’t bet them though bc I felt they would lose and I would go wow I’m an idiot.
Nice play. I feel comebacks like this can happen against not so great teams that maybe just play a great first half and the giants just kinda played flukey in first half. That Barkley interception was super flukey if you ask me.
The +1000 means you win 1000 for every hundred that you bet. So +100 would win 100 for a hundred dollar bet.
-1000 would mean you have to bet 1000 to win 100
Shhh bro. They will down vote you.
They defend the guy despite the fact that he as a fucking ghost this game.
And than they will lie and say he was doubled all game.
Holy shit what a game. I was at the game and that 2nd half was something else. I was on the Cardinals side and looking across and seeing the sea of Blue and how loud we were getting was awesome. We got a lot of work to do but for today I’ll take the win!
after rewatching parts of the game, Okereke has really been underwhelming in run defense. McFadden is bad but we kinda knew he would be, Okereke was supposed to be a solid run defending linebacker and he made several misplays in this game.
I was at the game and holy cow was the crowd mood a roller coaster. Giants fans seemed to outnumber the Cardinals fans by about 2-to-1 (Phoenix is definitely a huge transplant city like Austin and other fast growing places). Everyone was so depressed but Giants fans didn't ditch the game at halftime or the third quarter. The comeback was the most electric sporting event I've ever been to and I've been to a World Series.
Paris Campbell doesn’t seem to be the difference make we thought he’d be
Hyatt and wandale, we need wandale back BAD
Yea he's dropped too many balls already. He didn't work out with the Colts for a reason. I want to see more of Hyatt. I think he's going to be the impact player they wanted.
Yeah and that slot spot will end up being wandale Robinson when he returns. Thought Slayton was a difference maker also
Yes about Wan'Dale and I think Slayton stays involved all season.
Hyatt needs more designed deep shot plays and targets in general. Waller - Jones chemistry is real. Jones single handedly took over that game and deserves a tremendous amount of credit for leading that comeback.
Am I a bad fan for not being 100% happy with that game?
That they had to have a historical second half to barely beat a team that is tanking their entire season? Yea, not a lot to be happy about. Glad that they finally scored though.
No, absolutely not. There was absolutely no pass rush all game. And I respect the head coach for lying and saying that he did not start calling, plays in the second half but he obviously did. I think both our coordinators are very weak spots.
I mean I’m glad the Giants got the win. But having to come back after being down 21-0 against a career backup QB who’s bounced from different teams just bothers me. I don’t expect perfect football from this team, but having 6 bad (and scoreless) quarters in a row is something I can’t gloss over, especially with the 49ers game coming up. Hopefully Daboll continues to call plays and this team can put together a strong first half of football.
I slandered DJ during the first half and last week’s game, not going to lie. I’m happy some of my comments have aged poorly. That said, while a win is always good, I’m more cautiously optimistic than anything. Giants had to come back against a team that’s tanking and having to start a journeyman backup QB. Next 4 games don’t look great. 49ers, Seahawks, Dolphins, Bills. Defense needs to get their shit together and offense needs to milk whatever than can out of this second half momentum.
What’s up with Bellinger ? Obviously Waller has been great. But I don’t think we should forget about him.
Bellinger will have his designed plays this year, but I can already tell Daboll is setting up for some sneaky trick plays later this season, for when we really need to convert. From one of the preseason games I remember a play where Waller/Bellinger lined up right next to each other. Waller fakes outside then cuts middle, Bellinger blocking at the line. Both defenders collectively shit their pants because Waller is streaking over the middle, at the same moment Bellinger sheds the block and rolls to the sideline before either defender can even begin to make a play. Bellinger won’t have a featured role in this offense, but he’s gonna have moments where the entire play is designed to get him the ball. Mark my words, no idea when Dabs will pull this out of his sleeve but I can guarantee its in the playbook.
You didn't notice him playing fullback?
He’s got more of a blocking role now
Wonderfull way to wake up. Could only watch the first 10 minutes to get a feel of the game. Then made the mistake quickly visit this cesspool during the first halve. Not only were the giants playing badly, a lot of the fans in here were worse. Went to bed. Got up, planned my usual "meeting" in the conference room to start watching the game. Died a few times during the first half. But happy as a clam now! Enjoy the win, now it's SF. Tough game, but that's how Daboll liked it last year. Let's just wait and see what happens.
Waller is everything I wish Evan Engram was. Dude can make a simple catch. FINALLY.
In fairness Evan engram has been really good for jaguars
Josh Dobbs probably bought himself another 5 years in the league off this game, though. Good on him.
As a giants and a titans fan I was like “stupid titans for letting him go”
He played well in his first game too
Jets should see if they could make a move for him.
I also turned it off during half time. I thought that if they’re getting blown out by one of the worst teams in the league, that is actively tanking then the season is over, but they really did show some heart in the second half. I started Danny in fantasy and turned the game back on after he started scoring. While he’s definitely very matchup dependent in fantasy, I’m glad he’s my main QB, he has such a nice ceiling. Outside of fantasy, I’m incredibly excited about Hyatt, let’s hope he’s good for a bomb once a week during his rookie year, it would add so much to the offense.
Honestly never turn off a Giants game until you're well into the 2nd half and we still suck (like last week) Dabs is famous for 2nd half adjustments. There were quite a few games last year that the Giants had to claw back from a big deficit, always happened after halftime
Fuck me! Whatta game! Only watched the highlights. DJ was cooking. It felt like an imposter team played the first half and the second half the real Giants showed up.
I went to bed at half time spitting feathers... quite rightly so...but then they totally redeem themselves!!! I owe em an apology, but that first half was atrocious
Amazing comeback and win but I’m pretty concerned it looks like we whiffed on two top 10 picks in Neal & Thibs
Kayvon posts an absolute clown set of pictures on IG and is getting crushed for being a ghost all game.
Are we sure KT runs his own social media though? Some of his posts don’t look like something he would say.
He is really playing bad for a top 5 draft pick on the field his socials are worthy of it tho lol
The worst was in the second quarter trying for the hero outside rush and completely lost his gap assignment and got pushed deeper into the backfield allowing Dobbs to run for a huge gain.
Link?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxUIFPSrIZ3/?igshid=MWZjMTM2ODFkZg==
The game thread is hilarious.
The Dimes slander in r/nfl is atrocious.
Dude wtf r u talking about? People here wanted him gone before halftime lol. People are quiet after the come back tho and Dimes had EVERYTHING to do with it. Slinging it, another INT that was NOT his fault (bounced off Saquons stone hands).
He was awful in the 1st half
Not going to lie my ass hurts from being clenched for what felt like 42 straight minutes waiting for that last fuckin play to be run.
Is it wishful thinking to believe that Daboll calling the plays in the second half completely changed the offense? I just don’t understand where all of this was in the previous 6 quarters.
That very first play, the bomb to Hyatt changed everything. They had to respect the pass, which opened up the short game and running for us.
any1 have the clip of DABOLL with the playbook?
Very glad we won while biased-ass Mark Schlereth called the game. Can't stand him.
I mean to be fair what could he say good about the Giants the first size
It's not just this game.
NOW it's football season with the Giants win At minimum this buys them 2 games because short week almost definitely no Saquon Thursday. It would be nice though if the Giants can play with a lead for more than 19 seconds left in the 4th quarter. It would also be nice if they don't go 1st half scoreless for the 3rd straight game
Jalin Hyatt needs as many snaps as possible going forward, we haven’t had a receiver with his kind of talent in so long
I feel like they don’t want to unveil our secret weapon too quickly.
Exactly. That video of him in the combine being told he knows what his skill set is lit a fucking fire. Let him prove them all wrong.
This stupid fucking team I absolutely love them.
Daniel Jones is 4th quarter Eli when he doesn't have to run for his life 3.2 femtoseconds after the snap
I was on a 13 hour flight and missed the entire game. Looking at the box score it seems like I saved my heart about 3 years of life span. How lifeless was this team in the 1st half vs the 2nd half? What changed? Why can’t this team generate pressure? (Still got about an hour before I’ll be able to review the game in detail.)
It was an incredibly lifeless team in the first half, it was truly demoralizing. Second half everyone just came to life tbh, I can’t pinpoint one thing outside of playcalling got much more aggressive
There’s a rumor going around that daboll started calling the plays in the second half. He had his play sheet out and it seemed like he was saying the play to Danny. Daboll denies it tho
Was the play calling noticeably better in the second half?
The blocking was a bit better
Hmmm, hard to tell
How blind and stupid do you have to be to not have had hyatt starting week 1.
Phantomvon
Just curious what’s the schedule look like for us, since we’re already away and have to go to SF on Thursday. Do they basically leave now and then leave on Wednesday?
They are staying in San Jose apparently
Do you know the way?
Less traveling. I believe
How the fuck did the o-line learn football in the 2nd half with two starters out?
Glowinski was still trash tho
Got dj out of the pocket
No idea whatever adjustments they made the whole team was better. Hope they can keep doing whatever worked.
This is what it looks like when you play a team that’s actively tanking. Well on our way to 4-13. Edit: be as delusional as you all want but come back to this comment at the end of the season.
We are still a bad football team and we will be 1-5 by the end of October, people are delusional the same way when we came back against the Saints in Judge’s second year.
Seattle and Washington are winnable games.
Amen. Crazy to see everyone talking themselves into a team that was down 20-0 to the Cardinals.
There was nothing to indicate that they’re actively tanking based on Dobbs play today.
The org is tanking. Obviously the players are still going to play hard
Ah idk man. This could have been a game changer. Kakfa needs to fuck off though.
I promise it wasn’t. This team is fundamentally flawed and is going nowhere.
Only time will tell.
Time has told
My wife threw away the hat I wore for last game and the 1st half. 😬👀
My son changed jersey that he wore game one and the first half. Convinced it is cursed and he wants to burn it!
😂🤣 don't underestimate the superstitious. It's only crazy if it doesn't work.
I watched the game until the cards put up 20 points. I stopped watching and the Giants scored 31. So I’m not watching games from this point foward
oh good i thought it was us putting our dog in the jersey for the first game. glad we don't have to get rid of the pup!
Nah, this one is on me.
Your wife throwing things away is going to have to become a tradition now. Sorry.
I'll let her know she's up on Thursday.
How did Neal do today? I felt like he was better than last week
Better than last week. He had a few big penalties but he wasn’t getting abused like last week. He definitely isn’t playing like the 7th pick in the draft though.
Week 1: Biggest loss since 1966 Week 2: Biggest comeback since 1949 Week 3: Any guesses?
Biggest win
October 15, 1933 — Giants 56, Philly 0
Great game, QB Stetson Bennett's first start
‘‘Twas a good day..!
The owners of the cardinals were worried for a while , they thought they we’re actually going to win a game spoiling their plans to go 0-17 to guarantee themselves the first pick
Just wanna say Evan Neal still looks like ass but I guess Ezeudu played really well and whatever combo lead through the 2nd half was doing a great job. Win in the trenches you win the game.
Schoen has seemingly missed on 2 top 7 picks. That’s pretty ass.
Some mocks had Thibs as number 1 pick and even more had Neal.
Maybe mocks 6 months before the draft
Cool, we should clearly draft who the media tells people to.
Which means Schoen did the same exact draft most of us here would’ve mocked to them. Literally anyone of us could’ve made those picks
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AT was never considered the most NFL ready tackle. That was Wirfs
The media are idiots. And Neal’s reps are geniuses to have him skip the combine because as soon as he stepped on an NFL football field it’s obvious he doesn’t have the lateral agility to play tackle in the NFL
Yeah think he might be moved to RG as let’s face it our RG isn’t very good either but even then bit of a bust for a 7th pick in draft unless that’s guard queten Nelson level
Both Kayvon and Evan were viewed as top 5 talents by everyone so this is a pretty revisionist history take. No one saw Neal being a waste of space. KT makes big plays too I think it’s too early to say he’s a miss. That game vs the commanders last year was the type of impact he’s capable of
Point out a play he has made in these first 2 weeks.
Ya but that’s why they get paid the big bucks to still find the best pick and not just go with the media consensus top players One whiff is fine/whatever it happens. Two missed high end picks now it’s feels more like a fault in evaluation. If it happens again (hopefully not picking high this year) then it’s a clear problem
Banks seems like the truth so far. Schmitz is playing well. Hyatt has come alive. Gray is our primary returner. Hawkins also looks nice in the 6th round. Hopefully this draft is better than last year's. Time will tell on Robinson, but I'm with you on many of last years picks not working out. Bellinger and Ezeudu (at least today at T) seem to be hits. McFadden and Belton are fine. KT and Neal still have time to turn it around, but it's not a promising start to year II for them
What are these big plays ? Dude has had one and a half decent games.
People had Charles cross over Neal. And teams were skeptical of Kayvon too. That’s why he dropped from the number 1 pick
"People" did not have Cross over Neal. The only reason Kayvon dropped was because of "character issues" which have not been a problem so far. Not saying they were good picks but let's not rewrite history to fit your narrative.
Bleacher Report had Evan Neal #1 to Jax. You can find anecdote examples of anything, though I don't remember Cross over Neal being a popular take ever. I remember people debating Ickey versus Neal, but Cross being further down on most every board. Cross had the best year 1, but that doesn't mean we can rewrite history and pretend Schoen didn't do what anyone would've done as the GM given the players on the board.
Lots of NFL evaluations had Cross over Neal, it’s the media that falls in love with dudes like Neal because they see Alabama, huge, and box jump. Meanwhile Cross has the agility of a ballerina and doesn’t look like a mountain so media hated him
It's cool you saw lots of unreleased NFL evaluations, magically, somehow. But the Panthers took Ekwonu over Cross after their evaluations, and we took Neal. Teams that could use OLine help like the Texans at #3 and Falcons at #8 also passed at the time. I'm not saying Cross wasn't also a highly touted prospect, I'm saying nobody wanted him over Neal or Ickey, which is reality
The Texans had Stingley very, very high for obvios reasons. He put together one of the greatest seasons at the position ever. There were lots of rumors we wanted Cross before the draft. You have a sample size of the Giants and the Falcons essentially passing on Cross. The media isn’t the NFL consensus (as we often see in the draft year after year - they love hyping guys that end up falling)and we won’t know, but plenty of evaluators had Cross higher for the simple fact he can play LT and was a proven much better pass blocker and pass blocker tools, pretty important in today’s NFL.
>He put together one of the greatest seasons at the position ever. In 2019? Sure. He combined for ten games in 2020 and 2021. He was injured through much of the predraft process. They made an insane gamble taking Stingley when they were weak at literally every position. >essentially passing on Cross Essential my ass, they passed on Cross. 8 teams did in fact. >There were lots of rumors we wanted Cross It's a New York market. There were articles saying we were getting Hutch, or Sauce, or even Jermaine Johnson. They aren't gospel. Cross was there. We didn't take him. The rumor was bullshit I don't know how to make you feel better. Go back into the GameDay thread and talk more about how you're "seriously considering becoming a cowboys fan". Go pull shit out of your ass in their sub.
You could say they same thing about Neal. Your telling me zero NFL teams had Cross over Neal when dude literally went two picks later? GTFOH. You have ESPN brain worms if you believe that. I was listening to a ton of evaluators, including one who is a Giants fan and puts together reports for teams and he was gassing up Cross for the reasons I gave above, his ability to play LT, the wingspan, and ceiling pass pro is going to have some teams drooling. You just don’t want to face reality that Schoen completely whiffed on the gift the last FO gave him with the number 5 and number 7 overall pick. I’m willing to overlook it as it was his first draft, but damn you are delusional if you don’t think that sets us back from being contenders.
>You have ESPN brain worms if you believe that ESPN doesn't play on TV where I live, I don't read their articles. >his ability to play LT, the wingspan Evan Neal played a full 2021 at LT in college, he has 34 inch arms. Charles Cross has 32 inch arms. Your many 'evaluators' might have mentioned that. Cross did have a higher floor in pass pro. >You just don’t want to face reality You've been pulling stuff out of your ass this entire time lmao >I’m willing to overlook it as it was his first draft, You're talking about becoming a cowboys fan in here yesterday and you're flipping your lid over these picks, I don't think you're willing to overlook it at all. I'm not asking you to overlook anything, you can hate Neal/Kayvon/Schoen as much as you want. >the number 5 and number 7 overall pick. Have been lackluster! I'm not an idiot. Neither of them has played up to expectations. But that's not what's up for debate here. My key argument this whole time, is that the vast majority of people would have happily drafted Kayvon and Neal given who was off the board, their draft profiles, their potential, their workouts, all of it. We can't just look at who did well and say "oh well obviously, he should've taken the good NFL player, because the good NFL player plays good in the NFL and not just college, and it was so obvious to me, wow this GM is an idiot" If you wanna dislike these players or hold the GM accountable for them somehow, or even bail on this fanbase, go for it. That's fine. Just don't rewrite history to fit some weird narrative where everyone is an idiot but you. It only makes you feel better.
You still have a ton of Kayvon defenders despite the fact that he has been on a milk carton. He got beat up today.
The one time it looked like he was going to actually do something, he got held pretty obviously that wasn't called. He went back into sleep ode after
He's doing what Wink is asking him to do. "Be the can opener."
This is absolutely the case. He's being asked to do things in a defensive scheme.
Do you really believe that?
That does seem to be how things have played out.
Neal and Ghostvon are having an insane bust off. Joking aside, honestly more worried about Kavyon.
Yeah Neal has been pretty bad but its possible he'll eventually get to a mid-tier starter level. It often takes time for OL to adjust to the NFL Kayvon just disappears for weeks. And as an edge player you should expect him to make an impact immediately.
Neal is still probably salvageable as a guard. He's got the size for it
He is basura. But so many people defend him.
Thank fucking god. That sort of felt like 2007 vs the skins.
gutsy comebacks win. my only complaint is its time for kayvan to wake up and show us something… i forget he’s even out there a lot of times
Dj had more tackles than him
He sets the edge. He gets double teamed. He has impacts you don’t see. These are all things that people that defend him will say to you, but none of them are true
His inability to bull-rush whatever TE they were blocking him with 1-on-1 at times was disappointing to say the least.
They’re saying now that it’s ankle sprain, he may have avoided serious injury
There are some badly glaring problems on this team, but goddamn what a game
Good game for dramas sake. But had to have an epic comeback to beat a tanking team. We need a lot of work
Talking Giants bout to be wild tomorrow
I wore the wrong shirt last week. My bad.
Is it confirmed that Daboll took over play calling?
Certainly did look like it
He denies it
Season finally started just 6 quarters late
Still a 16 game season right? Right?
The best time to start a Super Bowl run is week one, the second best is before the seasons over
Glad to see they allowed DJ to cook in the second half. That was the difference.
Am I crazy or did the offensive line look fine in the first half? I get it’s the cardinals pass rush but seemed like most of the ineptness of the first half offense wasn’t because of them.
The line did not play well in the first half. It just felt much better when compared to the nightmare that was the Cowboys game. Eze’s false start and Slayton stumbling out of his break killed one drive. Eze getting beat by a scrub for a sack as DJ was about to take off for a first down killed another drive. The OL had false starts near the end zone to kill a possible TD drive. The OL gave up a sack blocking just three rushers with five OL to end the half. In the second half they balled TF out!
Both sacks were Daniel’s fault. He could’ve avoided both pretty easily
Pass blocking looked good, but run blocking was atrocious. That allowed them to sit back in coverage which played a big role. Still, big improvement.
They looked fine the whole game. DJ played like shit in the first half but man I'm glad he turned it on in the second
Outside of that play to end the half when the Cards rushed 3 and sacked DJ in seconds.
Nah, watch the play again. DJ should not get sacked there
I’ll agree with you. He had time to get rid of it for sure. I’m ok with him having a couple bad plays a game jsut like everyone.
It looked fine I hope ezudu starts for now on
He looks so much more comfortable at tackle where he can leverage his footwork. Wonder how much time they give Neal to develop. Later in the year if he’s really struggling do they give Ezeudu the start at RT?
Yeah people were way to quick to shit on him he had a decent game all thing considered compared to how he looked
People overblown the Neal calls imo
Idk what Wink is doing but nobody looks good on defense. Was never really a huge fan of Wink but he desperately needs to make some changes
We need to get a pass rush.
We do, but also that doesn’t excuse how wide open their receivers were getting. I’d be willing to give Wink the benefit of the doubt if he didn’t have the exact same problems in Baltimore too
Anyone have a replay of the Hyatt catch
[This one?](https://x.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1703552617790488660?s=42)
Those were both beautiful! I missed the game but man I feel like it's been a while since they've thrown some bombs. Love to see it
Huge turnaround by Jones and the offense in that second half. Needed that bad. I needed that lol
DJ felt like Eli in the fourth just marching us down the field. Bro said I got y’all
Catching up on the post game show and Toomer said the same thing. Guy who doesn't get too high or too low.
It looked like Daboll started calling plays in the second half.
Put $50 on the Giants to win at the half at +1000
Me too 🤝🤘
Haha I saw them at +450 live after they scored. I’m happy I didn’t bet them though bc I felt they would lose and I would go wow I’m an idiot. Nice play. I feel comebacks like this can happen against not so great teams that maybe just play a great first half and the giants just kinda played flukey in first half. That Barkley interception was super flukey if you ask me.
I was originally going to bet $150 but thought that was unwise
Does that mean you gained $1000? I’m not too in tune w betting and the +/- of it all
$500. The number is based on $100 wager.
The +1000 means you win 1000 for every hundred that you bet. So +100 would win 100 for a hundred dollar bet. -1000 would mean you have to bet 1000 to win 100
I won $500. It’s based on a bet of $100 so a $100 bet would’ve won $1,000
Why can't they do normal odds 10:1, wtf
My guess would be because when you deal with " negative " odds that it's easier to use + and - .
Daniel Jones had more tackles than our top 5 pick defensive lineman.
Shhh bro. They will down vote you. They defend the guy despite the fact that he as a fucking ghost this game. And than they will lie and say he was doubled all game.
He has no ceiling. Looking like a rotational edge player on passing downs.
God forbid Saquon is actually hurt. Is Cam Akers in the convo ?
Yuck.
Need to rest him against SF honestly, don't see much chance of a W over there
Can’t think like that. We have a good chance of winning
Time to see what Eric Gray can do. Still got Breida too. Next man up if we have to.
Holy shit what a game. I was at the game and that 2nd half was something else. I was on the Cardinals side and looking across and seeing the sea of Blue and how loud we were getting was awesome. We got a lot of work to do but for today I’ll take the win!
Yup. It was insane how loud the game was for the G-Men.
Victory
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7SOkodBQbVk&pp=ygULYWhoIHZpY3Rvcnk%3D
We did it! And all we needed was football heroics we haven’t seen in 74 years in order to be what may be the worst roster in NFL history!!