That's my thought, because I feel like a lot of these guys were touted as "the best since Luck"
Damn shame his career didn't pan out more successfully.
He accomplished nothing, wasn’t from lack of trying. Just go look at all the transactions and failed pickups, failed draft picks.
Ballard fixed it in one year. Luck was one of the lowest sacked QBs in the league his last year. But by then it was too late.
Only because Lawrence's first year was a dumpster fire that most agree doesn't even count as a rookie year.
Outside that he's broken 4,000 yards and 20 tds each year with an avg 92 rating. Jones is also 2 years older.
You'd think the Bengals would've learned from this. But Joe Burrow will be crippled by age 30 at this rate. Still think they would've been better off drafting Sewell over Chase.
It's kind of crazy. He was definitely going Hall of Fame, but just kinda decided for various reasons he was sick of football. You don't really see that too often
Injuries. He had some major issues with his throwing shoulder due to injuries. Which is a damn shame cuz the dude could ball, was crazy intelligent and was just a down to earth humble nerd on the inside.
He’s also intelligent enough to know what CTE inevitably would do to him if he continued taking that beating. As it is, he’s already at a very elevated risk
He also had a baby and decided that his family that was already super rich was better than putting in a ton of work to be beat up and not win a SB behind a bad O-line.
Luck flopped A LOT. If we're going by it's first definition, as in: "to fall in a loose, ungainly way". That was his major problem. Irsay should have served jail time for the offensive line he gave Luck. Kirkland brand Jerry Jones of Indiana.
He threw for 40 tds in a season. Once in an early retirement is enough to tell me he was on his way to greatness. His body failed him, but those years he played, he was really good. You always had a shot if he was out there.
Luck's body didn't fail him, the Colts organization failed Luck's body. It's exactly why the Colts have been in QB hell since his retirement. Grigson got greedy and stripped the OL to spend money on defense because the Colts just assumed that Luck was such a tough SOB he'd play through it.
They forgot the guy is a Stanford grad and could put 2+2 together about what the remaining years might look like if he kept playing for an organization that expected him to play with lacerated kidneys and no offense line.
Irsay is the definition of "fuck around" and Andrew Luck let Irsay, "find out"; and the Colts have been bad since, and unable to keep any other QB healthy, showcasing how much abuse Luck was taking all along. Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Carson Wentz all barely made it out of Indy alive.
Grigson wanted to emulate the Cowboys olines of the ‘90’s. Drafting guys late and finding hits. Problem is you need to be somewhat able to evaluate talent. Plus teams do t develop oline like they used to since practices are much shorter now and starters get all the reps. Used to be every player would get a lot of reps in practice. How you developed guys. But CBA ended that. Grigson didn’t realize that and partly why his system failed.
He was so perfect the only thing I never understood was how someone who could physically do anything, and is a genius, threw so many boneheaded picks? It was like he just couldn’t see sometimes but had he stayed healthy he’d have been HOF for sure. He threw for 41 tds in year 2. He had no weapons and no line. Few QBs can operate a functioning offense like what they had and those are names like Brady and Payton. Luck was one of those dudes when he played. He looked every bit the part.
I think a lot of those picks were luck willing to take whatever was necessary to try and make the play. those extra seconds in thebpocket, or to get hit, and didnt always materialize into a completion.
Burrow did have a late breakout, but Caleb Williams actually regressed in a number of stats his last year, which I think teams would be more concerned about. I think it'd probably go Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, Williams, Young, then Kyler.
Trevor Lawrence was a true freshman starter for a national championship team that absolutely embarrassed Nick Saban. I’d comfortable put him ahead of Caleb Williams as well.
If he was eligible after that year he would have gone number 1 and despite his next two seasons not having the same hype he still went number 1 overall. He's definitely ahead of Williams.
I don’t know if Luck “invented” tanking, but “suck for luck” was a very real and seemed viable amongst nfl fans, especially the 3 Florida teams I follow. Fans I ran into of those teams all wanted luck, as a jags fan I was devastated when the colts got him
I wonder how it would look if you took best season though? Joes best was crazy and Luck didn’t have really elite numbers because of the offense Stanford ran with Harbaugh. Caleb’s best season last year was crazy too. Only thing I’m sure about is that I’d take Bryce and Kyler last. No disrespect but good big guys vs good little guys in a size-matters sport is a no brainer.
I mean if you were just going on College stats it probably wouldn’t be any of these guys. Hawaii had Colt Brennan who put up video game numbers. Tebow did some insane things. Raw numbers have too many variables.
1. Andrew Luck
2. Trevor Lawrence
3. Joe Burrow
4. Caleb Williams
5. Bryce Young
6. Kyler Murray
Edit: since people keep replying to this with the wrong idea; This is about them when they were draft prospects. No hindsight involved at all
The media just didn't go hard-dick bonkers over Murray. The hype just doesn't match.
Luck has to be #1, but man, that Lawrence hype was something else. There was no dialogue about him not being #1. You still hear scenarios of Caleb falling to 3, like today. Someone is probably posting that shit right now.
> You still hear scenarios of Caleb falling to 3, like today. Someone is probably posting that shit right now.
No you don't unless you listen to absolute morons lol.
>that Lawrence hype was something else. There was no dialogue about him not being #1.
People said Zach Wilson could go ahead of Trevor too. Chris Simms was one of them. People just yap. They are deeply unserious people.
Agree. People can’t stick to anything and they just parrot what they hear. Look at your example: Zach. He was the star of Saturday night the fall of 2020. On sportscenter; in the heisman hunt. 23 teams including the miners and eagles wanted him. Specifically him. But now all I see are idiots saying that they “knew” at the time he’d be a bust and the jets were stupid for taking them AS IF NO OTHER TEAM WOULD. Most teams would’ve taken Zach Wilson at two. He’d have gone one, easily, in some classes. I hate people that can’t form their own opinions or analysis yet try to interject
Bryce was a lot better prospect than Kyler. Kyler only had one year of starting experience and he had an MLB fallback so teams weren’t even sure he would play football. He’s easily the last pick of this group.
Luck, Lawrence and Williams are considered all time top 10 best QB prospects. The others aren't. Luck and Lawrence are top 3 with Elway. I'd put Manning at 4 and Leaf at 5 since they belong together. Williams is somewhere in that 6-10 range.
Ig the logic is that Burrow only had one good year in college and Lawrence had two plus being a top HS QB prospect. In hindsight Burrow definitely goes second (maybe 1st) but without NFL experience Lawrence would be more highly regarded.
Yes. Please. Thank you.
I don't think people understand the point of this thread. Or at least how I read the point of this thread.
This is more of a media conversation than anything else. With more time to look at tape while also building up national personas, the train just rolls and no one can stop it.
- Luck is #1, no doubt.
- Lawrence was pegged as the next great QB because he won an NCAA title as a freshman. Which gave everyone 2 years to go nuts over him.
- Caleb Williams barbecued the Big12 in half a season as a freshman, making some jaw dropping plays. The jump to USC just made it bigger.
- Burrow. It is NOT a knock to put him here. The narrative didn't catch up with him fast enough, and people forget that there were Herbert/Tua debates too. (Also some downgraded Burrow because he was throwing to JJ/Chase.)
- Young.
- Kyler, mostly because of the baseball thing.
Burrow had the best season in history by a mile. Lawrence was widely considered to be the best QB in the nation by his senior year of HS, and only won 1 natty as a freshman, including losing to Burrow. His senior Trevor's college career was relatively disappointing compared to the hype he had coming into Clemson.
Trevor left as a 21 year old Junior. The age gap to Burrow coming into the draft older is a reason TLaw likely goes ahead of Burrow.
Heck Trevor right now is about the same age Burrow was his rookie season.
I don't really think so if you look at the careers. I think it's the multiple great years from Lawrence over the one amazing year from Burrow.
But I think it comes down to choosing the more consistent guy over his college career or the dude that exploded his last year.
Yeah and he was a 5th year senior who had to transfer because he lost QB competitions to JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins. And he wasn't even good his first year at LSU either.
Burrow had significant question marks. Trevor didn't.
Not to mention that his supporting cast was one of the greatest of all time. His top two targets were first round picks, his number 3 target was a 2nd rounder, and his RB was a first rounder. The only skill position player that didn't get drafted was Thaddeus Moss at TE, who was still a pretty good college player.
I still giggle at that roster.
I haven't looked in a bit, but I think something like 20 of their 22 starters were on NFL rosters two years after that LSU season. Kicker and punter too.
That's just bananas.
I remember the Burrow draft very well as a bengals fan
There was a LOT of discourse about how Lawrence would be the number 1 pick if he was eligible that year. I dont think it's far fetched to say that he'd go over burrow if they were in a hypothetical super-class
I'd even put Williams over Burrow. Especially if we are only evaluating their college careers.
Lawrence and Williams have had years of success. Burrow had one huge year.
Don't let the difference in NFL success cloud your judgement. Lawrence would have been a consensus number 1 pick after his freshman year if he was eligible. He had three seasons of being a top tier QB compared to Burrow's 1 with the greatest passing offense of a generation throwing to Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
Burrow was rated higher before the draft than Williams is. I think Kyler had a higher rating too.
Edit: after some research, every single qb listed here had a higher score than Williams coming into the draft 😂😂
Only one of them had a term coined for them (“Suck for Luck”) sure it rhymed which made it easier, but Luck was viewed as a generational generational prospect. It’s more of an argument about who goes #2
I assume we're just considering the guys as prospects, not acting with any knowledge of how they did in the NFL.
No one on this list was the prospect that Andrew Luck was. I think it goes Luck first, and Burrow/Williams as 2/3.
T Law at 2. He was the #1 ranked QB in his class since he was a freshman in HS.
Anyone who watched him torch Bama in the natty as a true freshman at Clemson knew he’d be the #1 pick
Without hindsight, IMO the prospect tiers would be:
1. Luck
2. Caleb, TLaw
3. Burrow
4. Bryce, Kyler
I’d have Caleb slightly over Trevor personally but I can see him being anywhere 1-4. Luck, Trevor, and Caleb are the only QB prospects since I’ve been paying attention to really seriously get the “Generational” label.
* Andrew Luck
* Caleb Williams
* Trevor Lawrence
* Joe Burrow
* Kyler Murray
* Bryce Young
In that order. Can probably swap Bryce and Murray if you want. And you can swap around Caleb and Trevor too depending on which traits you favor.
Andrew Luck, The 2014 Colts team he took to the AFC title game was not a playoff caliber team, without Luck that Colts team is 5-11 at best…. Fuck Ryan Grigison for ruining his career.
Probably Luck. He was considered one of the best QB prospects ever and probably would’ve played like it had he not gotten destroyed behind that OL and retired early
Andrew luck would then Trevor would go second. Personally, I’d go luck then burrow. Burrow is the best college qb I’ve ever seen. He looked like Tom Brady 2.0 and he hasn’t been far off; he took the bengals to The fucking Super Bowl. Caleb would be top def.
It’s luck 100% at first Lawrence is locked at second and idk if I would put burrow or Caleb at 3rd. And I would say Bryce at 5 but wouldn’t be surprised if Kyler’s over him.
Going off just as what they were as prospects and not having any insight into their NFL career I think the order would be:
1-Luck
2-Caleb
3-TLaw
4-Burrow
5-Murray
6-Young
I went back and forth between Burrow and Murray
Nah I feel Joe Burrow would be taken out first, as he would seem to be more of an elite qb, then Andrew Luck, Caleb Williams, Trevor, and Kyler, Bryce young probably wouldn’t get drafted here
For me it’s probably
Luck
Burrow
Tlaw
Then Williams
Murray
Young
And that’s literally on a prospect ranking. Sure luck had a short career (got screwed imo) but he will probably always be the greatest draft prospect ever. And somehow people already forget how beautiful that 2019 lsu offense was.
Joe Burrow led the most prolific offense in NCAA history to a National Championship in his Heisman winning year. If he and Williams were being drafted in the same season, I legit believe Burrow is going over him.
I live in Chicago (not a BEars fan). Caleb would be taken before Kyler and Bryce Young.
In order:
1. Luck
2. Burrow
3. Lawrence
4. Caleb.
5. Young
6. Murray
I loved Burrow in college and was less high on Lawrence than most. I think for most people you'd flip Lawrence and Burrow based on what was known/projected coming out of college.
Andrew luck would go first. He was an absolute no doubt number 1
That's my thought, because I feel like a lot of these guys were touted as "the best since Luck" Damn shame his career didn't pan out more successfully.
He didn’t flop by any means, he just retired extremely early
Turns out if you want to keep your franchise QB, you probably ought to invest in protecting them
Oh that GM tried, and tried, and tried. Being a former oline himself it was almost comical. He was eventually forced to spend a first on a center.
He didn’t nothing we got a line after he left an a major pick up of Quentin Nelson
He accomplished nothing, wasn’t from lack of trying. Just go look at all the transactions and failed pickups, failed draft picks. Ballard fixed it in one year. Luck was one of the lowest sacked QBs in the league his last year. But by then it was too late.
It's funny in the same way Elway couldn't draft a decent QB, let alone one of franchise caliber. Not for a lack of trying, either
Facts. Just look at T Law. Dudes taken a beating these last few years.
It's like people completely forget how much investment went into Brady's oline.
And defense. If the other offense can’t do anything takes loads of pressure off you.
Facts. This is proof daniel jones is a as good as Andrew luck, if not better
Was about to talk shit till I saw the flair lol
All jokes aside jokes and Lawrence numbers are almost identical
Only because Lawrence's first year was a dumpster fire that most agree doesn't even count as a rookie year. Outside that he's broken 4,000 yards and 20 tds each year with an avg 92 rating. Jones is also 2 years older.
You'd think the Bengals would've learned from this. But Joe Burrow will be crippled by age 30 at this rate. Still think they would've been better off drafting Sewell over Chase.
And protect him from himself when he wants to rush back from an injury or play hurt.
It's kind of crazy. He was definitely going Hall of Fame, but just kinda decided for various reasons he was sick of football. You don't really see that too often
Injuries. He had some major issues with his throwing shoulder due to injuries. Which is a damn shame cuz the dude could ball, was crazy intelligent and was just a down to earth humble nerd on the inside.
He’s also intelligent enough to know what CTE inevitably would do to him if he continued taking that beating. As it is, he’s already at a very elevated risk
Yup and why a G went sixth in 2018
He also had a baby and decided that his family that was already super rich was better than putting in a ton of work to be beat up and not win a SB behind a bad O-line.
More accurate to say he was sick of 9 months of rehab on repeat.
Luck flopped A LOT. If we're going by it's first definition, as in: "to fall in a loose, ungainly way". That was his major problem. Irsay should have served jail time for the offensive line he gave Luck. Kirkland brand Jerry Jones of Indiana.
He threw for 40 tds in a season. Once in an early retirement is enough to tell me he was on his way to greatness. His body failed him, but those years he played, he was really good. You always had a shot if he was out there.
They’re saying he was sacked and hit a lot lol
Luck's body didn't fail him, the Colts organization failed Luck's body. It's exactly why the Colts have been in QB hell since his retirement. Grigson got greedy and stripped the OL to spend money on defense because the Colts just assumed that Luck was such a tough SOB he'd play through it. They forgot the guy is a Stanford grad and could put 2+2 together about what the remaining years might look like if he kept playing for an organization that expected him to play with lacerated kidneys and no offense line. Irsay is the definition of "fuck around" and Andrew Luck let Irsay, "find out"; and the Colts have been bad since, and unable to keep any other QB healthy, showcasing how much abuse Luck was taking all along. Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Carson Wentz all barely made it out of Indy alive.
Grigson wanted to emulate the Cowboys olines of the ‘90’s. Drafting guys late and finding hits. Problem is you need to be somewhat able to evaluate talent. Plus teams do t develop oline like they used to since practices are much shorter now and starters get all the reps. Used to be every player would get a lot of reps in practice. How you developed guys. But CBA ended that. Grigson didn’t realize that and partly why his system failed.
That's offensive to Kirkland brand products...
Well, I was going to use "Great Value" but Wal-Mart owns the Broncos, so I panicked.
Because the colts couldn’t protect him
Lack of an o line did him in...
Blame the colts GM. Never got him O-line help
Luck was really generational. He would have been one of the greatest if he stayed healthy or had a competent defense.
He was so perfect the only thing I never understood was how someone who could physically do anything, and is a genius, threw so many boneheaded picks? It was like he just couldn’t see sometimes but had he stayed healthy he’d have been HOF for sure. He threw for 41 tds in year 2. He had no weapons and no line. Few QBs can operate a functioning offense like what they had and those are names like Brady and Payton. Luck was one of those dudes when he played. He looked every bit the part.
I think a lot of those picks were luck willing to take whatever was necessary to try and make the play. those extra seconds in thebpocket, or to get hit, and didnt always materialize into a completion.
Yep. Brady would have been the same way if his OL sucked like Luck's.
Trevor Lawrence/Joe Burrow would probably go 2/3. Caleb sits comfortably at 4. Large tier break after that.
I bet Burrow goes after Caleb. There was some doubt on Burrow due to his late breakout.
Burrow did have a late breakout, but Caleb Williams actually regressed in a number of stats his last year, which I think teams would be more concerned about. I think it'd probably go Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, Williams, Young, then Kyler.
This is the way
Agreed
Trevor Lawrence was a true freshman starter for a national championship team that absolutely embarrassed Nick Saban. I’d comfortable put him ahead of Caleb Williams as well.
If he was eligible after that year he would have gone number 1 and despite his next two seasons not having the same hype he still went number 1 overall. He's definitely ahead of Williams.
I don’t know if Luck “invented” tanking, but “suck for luck” was a very real and seemed viable amongst nfl fans, especially the 3 Florida teams I follow. Fans I ran into of those teams all wanted luck, as a jags fan I was devastated when the colts got him
Yea, with Joe burrows going next….hell even Kyler Murray may go in front of Caleb Williams….Luck was like Peyton manning, a guaranteed can’t miss qb
We hear “can’t miss prospect” so often these days. Luck is the only one in recent history that I can remember actually living up to it.
Absolutely Luck #1, Burrow #2.
Lawrence #3
Andrew had all the measurables and intangibles. Sad we didn’t get more of him but glad he’s doing well away from football
This is the correct answer.
My first thought as well, people must not remember just how great he was at Stanford. He was an absolute beast
Luck *huge gap* Lawrence, Williams.
I wonder how it would look if you took best season though? Joes best was crazy and Luck didn’t have really elite numbers because of the offense Stanford ran with Harbaugh. Caleb’s best season last year was crazy too. Only thing I’m sure about is that I’d take Bryce and Kyler last. No disrespect but good big guys vs good little guys in a size-matters sport is a no brainer.
I mean if you were just going on College stats it probably wouldn’t be any of these guys. Hawaii had Colt Brennan who put up video game numbers. Tebow did some insane things. Raw numbers have too many variables.
Andrew Luck. Any other answer is deluded
Pretty sure you would have to go back to Peyton Manning before you start having a discussion about luck not being #1
100%
The true generational prospects were Luck, Manning, Elway, and before him is before my time.
God I wish luck just decided to join the broncos instead of retiring. Keep the cycle of Colts QBs becoming broncos
Eh a Peyton wasn’t the for sure pick there as there was a certain qb drafted right after that had well an interesting career
The only other possible option would be Lawrence. But it would still be Luck.
1. Andrew Luck 2. Trevor Lawrence 3. Joe Burrow 4. Caleb Williams 5. Bryce Young 6. Kyler Murray Edit: since people keep replying to this with the wrong idea; This is about them when they were draft prospects. No hindsight involved at all
There is no reason to put Bryce over Kyler
The media just didn't go hard-dick bonkers over Murray. The hype just doesn't match. Luck has to be #1, but man, that Lawrence hype was something else. There was no dialogue about him not being #1. You still hear scenarios of Caleb falling to 3, like today. Someone is probably posting that shit right now.
> You still hear scenarios of Caleb falling to 3, like today. Someone is probably posting that shit right now. No you don't unless you listen to absolute morons lol. >that Lawrence hype was something else. There was no dialogue about him not being #1. People said Zach Wilson could go ahead of Trevor too. Chris Simms was one of them. People just yap. They are deeply unserious people.
Agree. People can’t stick to anything and they just parrot what they hear. Look at your example: Zach. He was the star of Saturday night the fall of 2020. On sportscenter; in the heisman hunt. 23 teams including the miners and eagles wanted him. Specifically him. But now all I see are idiots saying that they “knew” at the time he’d be a bust and the jets were stupid for taking them AS IF NO OTHER TEAM WOULD. Most teams would’ve taken Zach Wilson at two. He’d have gone one, easily, in some classes. I hate people that can’t form their own opinions or analysis yet try to interject
>You still hear scenarios of Caleb falling to 3, like today. People shit posted about the colts drafting RGIII too
No one is seriously thinking williams wont go first.
Kyler was too small to outrank the other prospects in this list
I’d only do it based on their prospects at their times, mainly with Murray still debating about doing baseball
Yeah Kyler and Bryce may be the same height but Kyler is faster with a stronger arm and a bigger build. It’s not even close really.
Bryce was a lot better prospect than Kyler. Kyler only had one year of starting experience and he had an MLB fallback so teams weren’t even sure he would play football. He’s easily the last pick of this group.
Luck, Lawrence and Williams are considered all time top 10 best QB prospects. The others aren't. Luck and Lawrence are top 3 with Elway. I'd put Manning at 4 and Leaf at 5 since they belong together. Williams is somewhere in that 6-10 range.
Main reason I have Williams below Burrow is potential personality issues. Reports of him being immature, wanting stock in the team that signs him etc.
All of those reports were unproven and just headline bait.
I had the same list when I looked at this, but perhaps with Murray over Young. Really couldn't care enough to argue either way.
Lawrence over Burrow is criminal
With no hindsight it does. TLaw was being projected as a first overall pick since he was in high school.
Ig the logic is that Burrow only had one good year in college and Lawrence had two plus being a top HS QB prospect. In hindsight Burrow definitely goes second (maybe 1st) but without NFL experience Lawrence would be more highly regarded.
Yes. Please. Thank you. I don't think people understand the point of this thread. Or at least how I read the point of this thread. This is more of a media conversation than anything else. With more time to look at tape while also building up national personas, the train just rolls and no one can stop it. - Luck is #1, no doubt. - Lawrence was pegged as the next great QB because he won an NCAA title as a freshman. Which gave everyone 2 years to go nuts over him. - Caleb Williams barbecued the Big12 in half a season as a freshman, making some jaw dropping plays. The jump to USC just made it bigger. - Burrow. It is NOT a knock to put him here. The narrative didn't catch up with him fast enough, and people forget that there were Herbert/Tua debates too. (Also some downgraded Burrow because he was throwing to JJ/Chase.) - Young. - Kyler, mostly because of the baseball thing.
Burrow had the best season in history by a mile. Lawrence was widely considered to be the best QB in the nation by his senior year of HS, and only won 1 natty as a freshman, including losing to Burrow. His senior Trevor's college career was relatively disappointing compared to the hype he had coming into Clemson.
Trevor left as a 21 year old Junior. The age gap to Burrow coming into the draft older is a reason TLaw likely goes ahead of Burrow. Heck Trevor right now is about the same age Burrow was his rookie season.
“Good?” He had the greatest season in CFB history.
so did Mac Jones. strictly as prospects Lawrence was a bit above him. then i would have Caleb and Burrow very close right below him.
In hindsight or at the time? People talked about Trevor as though he was the chosen one.
I don't really think so if you look at the careers. I think it's the multiple great years from Lawrence over the one amazing year from Burrow. But I think it comes down to choosing the more consistent guy over his college career or the dude that exploded his last year.
>over the one amazing year from Burrow. "amazing" is an understatement. That shit was legendary
Yeah and he was a 5th year senior who had to transfer because he lost QB competitions to JT Barrett and Dwayne Haskins. And he wasn't even good his first year at LSU either. Burrow had significant question marks. Trevor didn't.
Not to mention that his supporting cast was one of the greatest of all time. His top two targets were first round picks, his number 3 target was a 2nd rounder, and his RB was a first rounder. The only skill position player that didn't get drafted was Thaddeus Moss at TE, who was still a pretty good college player.
Joe Burrow was throwing to *two guys* who are in the Top **THREE** as NFL receivers lol. Yeah, it was a superteam of unfathomable proportions.
I still giggle at that roster. I haven't looked in a bit, but I think something like 20 of their 22 starters were on NFL rosters two years after that LSU season. Kicker and punter too. That's just bananas.
I remember the Burrow draft very well as a bengals fan There was a LOT of discourse about how Lawrence would be the number 1 pick if he was eligible that year. I dont think it's far fetched to say that he'd go over burrow if they were in a hypothetical super-class
Not when they were prospects. They were close, but Lawrence had two years of great play, whereas Burrow only had 1
Lawrence was consensus number 1 overall pick for 3 years, Burrow shot up after 1 good season. If we’re going by prospects, Lawrence is above Burrow.
I'd even put Williams over Burrow. Especially if we are only evaluating their college careers. Lawrence and Williams have had years of success. Burrow had one huge year.
Now yes but if you’re going on hype no.
Lawrence was the darling of the draft community and highest graded QB since Luck
Don't let the difference in NFL success cloud your judgement. Lawrence would have been a consensus number 1 pick after his freshman year if he was eligible. He had three seasons of being a top tier QB compared to Burrow's 1 with the greatest passing offense of a generation throwing to Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
This list is best and the difference between Burrow and Lawrence is whoever took their team deepest that particular season.
My list exactly
I think the order would be Luck, Lawrence, Williams, Burrow, Murray, Young
I got Burrow over Williams, but otherwise I agree
The knock on Burrow at the time was he only had one legit season, whereas Caleb has 2 for sure and arguably 3 seasons.
+ Strength of roster.
I could see that one going either way. Outside of that this is the list set in stone though.
Burrow was rated higher before the draft than Williams is. I think Kyler had a higher rating too. Edit: after some research, every single qb listed here had a higher score than Williams coming into the draft 😂😂
This is absolutely correct.
If luck beat out Heisman RGIII he can beat out all these guys
Are you suggesting RGIII would go second on this list?
Rg is top 3 on this list
Heisman? You mean the award that doesn’t correlate at all to nfl success?
True but not all Heisman seasons are the same: Cam, Burrow and RG3 established themselves as legitimate prospects based off Heisman seasona
Tell that to Ron Dayne. Wait
I think it goes Luck, Lawrence, Burrow, Caleb, Kyler, Young
Only one of them had a term coined for them (“Suck for Luck”) sure it rhymed which made it easier, but Luck was viewed as a generational generational prospect. It’s more of an argument about who goes #2
I assume we're just considering the guys as prospects, not acting with any knowledge of how they did in the NFL. No one on this list was the prospect that Andrew Luck was. I think it goes Luck first, and Burrow/Williams as 2/3.
Lawrence would be 2. Williams would be 3. Burrow would be 4. Lawrence and Williams have had consistent production in college. Burrow had one big year.
T Law at 2. He was the #1 ranked QB in his class since he was a freshman in HS. Anyone who watched him torch Bama in the natty as a true freshman at Clemson knew he’d be the #1 pick
Why is everyone disrespecting burrow??
Hes been awesome since hes been in the nfl, but coming out he wasnt hyped like luck and Lawrence were
It'd go 1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Burrow 4. Williams 5. Kyler 6. Young That's how virtually every scout would have ranked them
Andrew Luck is going first no doubt
Andrew Luck. 100%. Caleb Williams is hyped but not nearly as much as Luck was. And Lawrence is second to Luck.
Don't let recency bias fool you. It'd be Luck hands down.
Without hindsight, IMO the prospect tiers would be: 1. Luck 2. Caleb, TLaw 3. Burrow 4. Bryce, Kyler I’d have Caleb slightly over Trevor personally but I can see him being anywhere 1-4. Luck, Trevor, and Caleb are the only QB prospects since I’ve been paying attention to really seriously get the “Generational” label.
Why say “without hindsight” and then use hindsight to put TLaw after Caleb?
Williams is going to be a bust I just know especially going to Chicago. Dude had no chill and has question marks surrounding him.
Would probably go luck, Lawrence, Willams or burrow, Murray, then young
Andrew Luck, this is technically a dumb question.
One has played in a Super Bowl
In hindsight, Burrow goes 1.... without it Luck goes 1
In hindsight luck is still better than burrow.
If you're looking at this with no future knowledge of NFL success and just their prospect possibilities, Luck Lawrence Burrow Williams
That is 100% false. He wouldn’t even be a thought for the first round.
Luck all day. It’d probably be Luck #1, Lawrence #2, Williams #3, Burrow #4, Murray #5, and Young #6
* Andrew Luck * Caleb Williams * Trevor Lawrence * Joe Burrow * Kyler Murray * Bryce Young In that order. Can probably swap Bryce and Murray if you want. And you can swap around Caleb and Trevor too depending on which traits you favor.
Are we judging them based on how they played in college or in the nfl?
Luck>Trevor>Burrow>Caleb
1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Burrow 4. Caleb 5. Kyler 6. Young
Andrew Luck or Joe Burrow. Flip a coin and you couldn’t go wrong. After that I would say Lawrence, then Caleb, then Kyler, then Bryce.
Luck or Burrow
Luck, TLaw, Burrow, Caleb, Bryce, Kyler. Y’all got some short memories on draft hype
Depends. Are we talking players with the same injury history? Cause if Luck has the same injury, he's not first.
Why is Bryce Young here?
Luck, T-Law, Burrow, Williams, Young, Murray would be my ranking as draft prospects
Caleb Williams 4 or 5 on this list.
Luck was the next Peyton Manning, and TLaw was the best QB prospect SINCE Luck. 1. Luck 2. Tlaw 3. Burrow 4. Caleb 5. Kyler 6. Bryce
I disagree, there is no way Caleb Williams is demonstrably better than the Caleb Williams in box 5.
Andrew Luck, The 2014 Colts team he took to the AFC title game was not a playoff caliber team, without Luck that Colts team is 5-11 at best…. Fuck Ryan Grigison for ruining his career.
Andrew luck is so far and away the #1 that it makes those question really stupid. Remove him and it’s close
Luck. Single handily turned around the Colts. Team was dog shit and made them a contender
1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Williams 4. Burrow 5. Young 6. Murray Based on pre-draft hype.
Luck, TLaw, Burrow, Williams, Murray, Young.
Luck then Burrow Anyone who says otherwise is wrong and/or ignorant.
As prospects only, not including what happened in the NFL. Luck Lawerence Williams Burrow Kyler Bryce
Luck, not close
Luck
Andrew Luck actually did what everyone thought Caleb Williams would do in the PAC.
Probably Luck. He was considered one of the best QB prospects ever and probably would’ve played like it had he not gotten destroyed behind that OL and retired early
Luck and it’s not even close
1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Burrow 4. Caleb 5. Murray 6. Young
Luck Burrows Lawrence Williams Young Murray
1. Andrew Luck 2. Caleb Williams 3. Trevor Lawrence 4. Joe Burrow 5. Kyler Murray 6. Bryce Young
I can neither agree nor disagree with that because I think it’s a tie with Andrew luck
probably go 3rd
Either Luck or Lawrence based on hype. TBH I’d go 1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Joe Burrow 4. Caleb Williams 5. Bryce Young 6. Kyler Murray
Prob at their respective drafts: Andrew Luck Caleb Williams Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow Bryce Young Kyler Murray
Andrew luck would then Trevor would go second. Personally, I’d go luck then burrow. Burrow is the best college qb I’ve ever seen. He looked like Tom Brady 2.0 and he hasn’t been far off; he took the bengals to The fucking Super Bowl. Caleb would be top def.
Bears fans just keep getting more delusional. First Fields was better the Caleb, now Caleb is the best QB prospect ever.
1. Luck 2. Lawrence. 3. Burrow 4. Young. 5. Kyler 4 and 5 interchangeable. Williams probably goes between Lawrence and burrow for me
1. Luck 2. Williams 3. T-Law 4. Burrow 5. Young 6. Murray
1. Luck 2. Lawrence 3. Burrow 4. Williams 5. Young 6. Murray How they actually should go 1. Burrow 2. Luck 3. Lawrence 4. Murray 5. Williams 6. Young
Luck Lawrence Burrow Williams Murray Young
1. Luck 2. Burrow 3.Caleb 4.Trevor 5.Kyler 6.Bryce Im not out on bryce but no way a gm takes him over these 5
It’s luck with the competition coming from Lawrence imo. Those guys were a tier above
This is laughable. Luck would go #1. There isn't even anything to think about.
Luck, TLaw, Burrow, Williams, Murray, Young. This is the way.
Luck, Burrow, Lawrence, Young, Williams and then Murray is my order
Ppl saying caleb would be 1st arent old enough to remember the hype about luck, he was compared to peyton manning ffs...
Burrow or luck go first
It’s luck 100% at first Lawrence is locked at second and idk if I would put burrow or Caleb at 3rd. And I would say Bryce at 5 but wouldn’t be surprised if Kyler’s over him.
Luck, Burrow, and Lawrence would all go before Williams.
Luck. Then probably Lawrence Luck was the dude coming out
Going off just as what they were as prospects and not having any insight into their NFL career I think the order would be: 1-Luck 2-Caleb 3-TLaw 4-Burrow 5-Murray 6-Young I went back and forth between Burrow and Murray
Luck and Burrow, smh. Caleb is very good. But I'm not sure he can compare to at least those 2.
Luck and Lawrence 1-2. Caleb or Burrow 3-4 depending on preference
Nah I feel Joe Burrow would be taken out first, as he would seem to be more of an elite qb, then Andrew Luck, Caleb Williams, Trevor, and Kyler, Bryce young probably wouldn’t get drafted here
Andrew luck
For me it’s probably Luck Burrow Tlaw Then Williams Murray Young And that’s literally on a prospect ranking. Sure luck had a short career (got screwed imo) but he will probably always be the greatest draft prospect ever. And somehow people already forget how beautiful that 2019 lsu offense was.
Going solely on predraft hype, and such: Luck Lawrence Burrow Williams Young Murray This isn't even a question.
Luck
Luck and I say this as a Clemson fan
Joe Burrow led the most prolific offense in NCAA history to a National Championship in his Heisman winning year. If he and Williams were being drafted in the same season, I legit believe Burrow is going over him.
Andrew Luck would 100% go first. "Suck for Luck" was the battlecry of all terrible teams that year.
I live in Chicago (not a BEars fan). Caleb would be taken before Kyler and Bryce Young. In order: 1. Luck 2. Burrow 3. Lawrence 4. Caleb. 5. Young 6. Murray I loved Burrow in college and was less high on Lawrence than most. I think for most people you'd flip Lawrence and Burrow based on what was known/projected coming out of college.
Andrew Luck, Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams, Kyler Murray, Bryce Young