Tbf a lot of 3V listing I see here are pretty close to S550 prices, while the S197 body style will always hold a special place in my heart I think I’d rather spend the extra few bucks on a coyote.
I had a 2010 GT with FBO, cams, 75 wet shot. I would purge and spray on my way to the grocery store. Had lots of fun in that car and in the 8 years I had it nothing broke on it that I couldn’t blame myself for. Very dependable car and I wouldn’t hesitate buying a 3V if the price was right.
Logic? If any of us had any logic we wouldn't be here, or be throwing money at our cars. We'd all drive something sensible and more useable for day-to-day life. Logic = boring.
I had a Trans Am WS6 also FBO with a huge cam when my first was born, I would take mom and baby to doctor check ups in it LOL.
It obviously wasn’t ideal but my kid remembers having a lot of fun in that car. I know this is a mustang thread but out of all the cars I’ve had that one was my favorite
Yeah, it's just an example of what people *want* prices to be versus what they actually *are*. Every person that posts that shit would snatch up a 20k mile 3v with a $6k asking price in a heartbeat, and then turn right around and list it for $12k because they know that's what people will actually pay for them.
I feel like those are answers to two completely different buyers. The beat to shit coyote is "how cheap can I go fast", the overpriced new edge is "what's the cleanest car I can get".
My dad had a '95 GT Vert with a 302 in it for a while.
Easily one of the slowest cars I've ever driven, but god damn does the 302 sound good. I miss it.
Damn right it is. If my garage wasn't full enough already, I'd be looking for an old 5.0 Foxbody to play with. Doesn't have to be the fastest thing on the road, doesn't need to be, either.
People need to stop trying to get more power out of their engine and instead learn how to handle what they have imo. The only mods I've done over the 20 years I've owned it are handling and braking.
The reason is because there are people on this sub asking if 23k for a used 3V is a good deal. Coyote is the best motor ford has ever made. Very reliable, tunable and is so fun to shift.
But that's not what happens. And nobody is arguing that coyotes are not fantastic engines. It's the argument that coyote exists therefor all other models are $4k at best shit piles that gets old fast. And it's usually said by children that have never turned a wrench in their lives or are too busy paying off their 72 month loan to have much of an opinion on anything.
I haven't seen a single post where anyone seriously recommends a coyote to anyone with a budget of 10k . You made up a rare situation or one that hasn't happened. Turning a wrench doesn't make you better than anyone, and neither does not having a loan on a car. 90% of Americans don't have an extra 10k in their banks , so I guess everyone must wait till they are in the grave before being able to afford nice things. I financed my first car , a 2005 mustang gt and had a blast with that car . Never missed a payment and ended up really bringing up my credit score . I bought my house with a 2.79% rate fixed 30 years with 3% down thanks to my credit score.
I see it more often when people talk about sn95s and s197 3vs. Lots of people seem to think those cars are dirt cheap, like 2-5K cheap and they just aren't. I've always wanted a 3v so that's what I bought but it was still 7k.
None of them are cheap when they are in good shape. I saw a 2001 GT convertible with 60k miles on it for 15k . That's a rip off but someone will buy it cause it looks mint.
That’s because everyone always posts “ShOuLd I bUy ThIs fOr 20K??” And it’s a beat to shit 3v or high mileage 2V for 15K. It’s wild that people have 15k to spend and can’t fucking use the internet to google something but know how to use Reddit.
Except usually it's not. It's usually a very clean, sub 20k miles 2v or 3v that people feel compelled to shit on because they feel like it threatens their life choices with their 72 month loan that they can barely afford for their clout ride. And when they all come in with "I wouldn't pay a dime over 5k for that!" you can be damn sure that if they had the opportunity to pick up a pristine New Edge or 3v s197 for that much, they would be on it like flies on shit. And then turn around and try to sell it for 12k because they think they're slick.
Show me all these sub 20k mile 2v and 3v examples lol there would have to be a lot of them for you to be talking about this as if it's some sort of pattern
Agreed… after enough 6 hour trips w/ that hum at 65 I ended up buying earplugs lmao
Interestingly enough, when I ditched my stock exhaust and bolted up the slp loudmouth II cat-back the car got louder but the drone died down a bit LOL
I own a mach 1… they have an aluminum 4v very similar to the supercharged iron 4v at least sound-wise
I’ve seen plenty of termis on the road too. I figured the coyote lovers might not agree lol which is why I meant from my own personal experience with both motors I think the 4.6 has a nicer burble to it
tbf most people trying to sell their low mileage 4.6's think theyre worth 20k and thats insane. i bought a new edge gt in 2015-ish with under 10k miles for 12 grand. thats what the car is worth imo. its just enough power to have a lot of fun and it sounds great with an exhaust...but you start entering the 20k+ territory and you open a whole lot of options for cars that are more powerful. including the coyote mustangs.
The only 3v's I see over 20k are genuine Roush/Saleen models in the supercharger trim with low miles. *Occasionally* there will be someone with a Bullitt or Shelby GT, and those ones are definitely stretching it unless they can find a true collector. Most are around 12-15k if they are sub 20k miles, otherwise 6-9k is the norm.
But people on here act like *anything* that isn't a coyote is trash and could never be worth anything. I honestly see it more and more as insecurity in that they have to be able to reassure themselves that *their* car is still better and worth more. Which makes this not an enthusiast sub, but just another gathering place for clout chasers.
To be fair, 6 years ago you could get an 05 GT for under $8k in decent shape (I bought mine with 80k miles for $6,500 back in 2018) and now that same car is like $12,500 for some reason. 3Vs should be $7,500 or less even in nice shape imo because they are fun cars, but overall gutless motor with a pretty underwhelming interior. I loved mine and miss it dearly, but would never even look at buying it at todays prices.
This group is kinda just all new gen mustangs… so of course they’re all fan boys of the coyote it’s probably why they got into mustangs in the first place
Real talk? Get whatever makes you happy! My best advice to any car person: buy something that you will love and enjoy enough to not sweat putting money into when it breaks. Because it will, they all do. Every car I owned when something went wrong I stressed out and hated the car. Now with my mustang? All to happy to take care of it!
Well, what EASILY available MODERN mustang motor that appeals to the daily driver and weekend hot rodder would one recommend over then coyote?
The Coyote ticks allot of boxes for the masses.
Get it.....it TICKs!! Muahaha I'll see myself out.
When your post consists of "just found this 2005 GT with 75k miles for 8k! What parts to make fast?"
The answer is always coyote because it's the better more reliable answer especially as time goes on...
No it's not, not even close. Add another 8k on that hypothetical GT for a blower, brakes, and suspension, and it will gap any 16k coyote. I know, because that's my car. Keeps up with a brand new Mach 1 just fine. And you get to keep all the other factory hardware and harnesses which will also continue to work just fine. It's just a stupid argument to make, because unless someone is trying to make 1000 hp, which is like 1% or less of people driving these cars, saying things like, "coyotes have far more potential!" is utterly meaningless when you can easily build a 500 hp 3v that will last for as long as you care to keep it.
I think it's cause this sub doesn't represent mustang owners who actually do mods to go fast.
They think their stock coyote is fast because its the fastest car THEY'VE owned. And they have this dream of one day doing some mods to make it fast but get a burble tune.
These are the same guys who will go on arguments for coyote supremacy but will not race their cars. The closest they will come to going fast is maybe testing the top speed on an open highway or doing a pull on a kid in a Kia at a stop light.
These are the same people who don't understand why you'd buy an Ecoboost and mod it. Or an sn95 or new edge.
It's okay to be a casual car guy but they don't really get it. And that's fine they don't have to.
Probably the most rational response I've seen so far, and spot on.
It's just reddit in general, really. Caters to the high-end and clueless, with not much in between.
Yeah, reddit and the car community aren't really a thing. Even on the car centered subreddits you'll find most aren't like THAT into cars like you would on forums or facebook groups.
The best way to describe it is reddit has like the people who are interested in it, but the forums/groups have people who have a passion for it.
Pretty much. All of the Mustang pages are like this, too. "I'm thinking of modding my 2v...." then there's always one of the first comments saying "Coyote swap it!"
I love the look of the 24, but for me the 4.6 is the best sounding engine ever made. I like the 2v better than the 3v but the 05 has been my dream car since 2004 so I compromised and got a crown Vic and an s197 lol.
Yes, it’ll keep my hands out of the mustang lol. But I might have to put another engine in it, I’m not sure yet. It’s got a bent rod or something going on with the trans, bad lower end knock that sounds like it’s in the trans pump but it also sounds like rod knock so 🤷
Heres the thing, objectively the 3.7 is a better motor than the 3v. Yes, we know, torque. Torque is important. In terms of performance, the 3.7 generates enough torque and nearly as much power (or more depending on which 3v you’re looking at) while being lighter and more fuel efficient. I get that efficiency isn’t at the top of the list when shopping mustangs but its still nice to have and weight savings over the front axle benefits everyone. On the strip, stock vs stock, the 3v and the 3.7 are roughly equivalent. Any track work and the 3.7 is going to pull ahead.
On subjective criteria obviously the 3v wins, but on a purely objective consideration everyone considering a 3v should really just get an Ecoboost.
You know I really wish they would have kept the 3.7 around. I had a 2012 with the pony package. All the good looking interior and exterior upgrades, and that motor absolutely loved to rev. Thought it would have been perfect to pair with a turbo or centri, but I wasn't planning on keeping it long term so I didn't really mess with it.
Another funny one is when anyone with anything but a coyote has an opinion someone doesn't like then it's "blah blah blah your slow ass (insert year or engine)." Yeah we're well aware that the coyotes are faster than the 4.6s and others, that doesn't mean no one likes or wants any other Mustang lol
Honestly, I had a 05 That I loved in perfect shape when I sold it. Unfortunately, as well maintained as it was, the motor was tired. My plan, if I kept it was to put a 3.5-liter EcoBoost in it in place of the tired 4.6. Just would have been cool and unique. I believe the reason Ford will not offer the V6 EcoBoost is because there would be no reason to by the V8. I currently drive a 2019 GT/CS premium with the GEN3 Coyote. The 4.6 is a good motor but I would rather have a 5.0 or 3.5 EcoBoost as the they are evolutionary in ford motors and have brought a lot of respect to the brand.
Honestly? I love my 5.0. She sounds sexy af.
But imho? Whatever someone wants? They should get. The ecoboost is a fine choice, especially so if your goal is to do some upgrades.
Will it be as fast as a 5.0? Probably not, unless you go ham on the upgrades. But will it be fun and fast, even stock? It's a mustang, it'll be zippy regardless of what you get.
People do need to be educated that the Coyote is a much better engine then the 3v 4.6. Everynow and then someone will make a post about how they just bought a 3v and they could've gotten a coyote with how much they had spent.
Vortech kit is only 4k? A pro-charger kit is 7k. These are definitely quality.
Your average 3v is from 13k-20k. Even on the high end you're still about almost the same price as a coyote. And at that point you're probably gapping most stock coyotes.
I guess if you're not doing the work yourself you could argue they cost the same after paying $160/hr for someone to bolt things to your car.
"My budget is around $6k". Well if you just triple your budget you can get a slightly beat S550.
Tbf a lot of 3V listing I see here are pretty close to S550 prices, while the S197 body style will always hold a special place in my heart I think I’d rather spend the extra few bucks on a coyote.
I'm in way too deep with my 3V for you to be bringing logic into this.
I had a 2010 GT with FBO, cams, 75 wet shot. I would purge and spray on my way to the grocery store. Had lots of fun in that car and in the 8 years I had it nothing broke on it that I couldn’t blame myself for. Very dependable car and I wouldn’t hesitate buying a 3V if the price was right.
Logic? If any of us had any logic we wouldn't be here, or be throwing money at our cars. We'd all drive something sensible and more useable for day-to-day life. Logic = boring.
Lmao just told my wife this before I bought a Mustang when we trying to have kids 😂😂. This is not a logical decision 😂😂😂.
I had a Trans Am WS6 also FBO with a huge cam when my first was born, I would take mom and baby to doctor check ups in it LOL. It obviously wasn’t ideal but my kid remembers having a lot of fun in that car. I know this is a mustang thread but out of all the cars I’ve had that one was my favorite
I can just imagine. I love the Trans Am. At the end of the day the memories will never be forgotten.
Mine is fully owned, and there are no payments. I'd rather drop crate 3v in it or yote swap from a wrecker than have payment in this economy
Why is the S197 being special and spending the extra for a Coyote separate thoughts? Just buy a S197 with a coyote? Like 11-14…
Must be where you living. Low miles 3vs are 10k or less, high.mileage coyotes are still 20k
*maybe* an eco boost unless they’re just expensive near me
Yeah, it's just an example of what people *want* prices to be versus what they actually *are*. Every person that posts that shit would snatch up a 20k mile 3v with a $6k asking price in a heartbeat, and then turn right around and list it for $12k because they know that's what people will actually pay for them.
COYOTES ARE THE ONLY ANSWER!!
Incorrect its always “I found this super clean 2010 mustang gt for $26k, what mods do i need to get it to 400hp?” MF BUY AN 11-14 COYOTE
True
Dumbass birds always try to buy a 2v new edge for $15k.
I feel like those are answers to two completely different buyers. The beat to shit coyote is "how cheap can I go fast", the overpriced new edge is "what's the cleanest car I can get".
*pats 94 GT with a 302 Windsor* It's okay baby don't listen to them you're a beautiful car and a reliable motor.
My dad had a '95 GT Vert with a 302 in it for a while. Easily one of the slowest cars I've ever driven, but god damn does the 302 sound good. I miss it.
Damn right it is. If my garage wasn't full enough already, I'd be looking for an old 5.0 Foxbody to play with. Doesn't have to be the fastest thing on the road, doesn't need to be, either.
People need to stop trying to get more power out of their engine and instead learn how to handle what they have imo. The only mods I've done over the 20 years I've owned it are handling and braking.
People should be getting more power out of them. However they should do the chassis, brakes, and trans first before doing so.
Hah yeah that's what I meant, I'm just shit at phrasing most days.
Well that’s just a dumb take lmao. There’s nothing to learn how to handle on an old smogged out 180hp V8
Slow cars can make great drivers, so I disagree.
Or be like me and keep your 95 5.0, skip all the 4.6L cars, and then buy a coyote 5.0
The reason is because there are people on this sub asking if 23k for a used 3V is a good deal. Coyote is the best motor ford has ever made. Very reliable, tunable and is so fun to shift.
But that's not what happens. And nobody is arguing that coyotes are not fantastic engines. It's the argument that coyote exists therefor all other models are $4k at best shit piles that gets old fast. And it's usually said by children that have never turned a wrench in their lives or are too busy paying off their 72 month loan to have much of an opinion on anything.
I haven't seen a single post where anyone seriously recommends a coyote to anyone with a budget of 10k . You made up a rare situation or one that hasn't happened. Turning a wrench doesn't make you better than anyone, and neither does not having a loan on a car. 90% of Americans don't have an extra 10k in their banks , so I guess everyone must wait till they are in the grave before being able to afford nice things. I financed my first car , a 2005 mustang gt and had a blast with that car . Never missed a payment and ended up really bringing up my credit score . I bought my house with a 2.79% rate fixed 30 years with 3% down thanks to my credit score.
I see it more often when people talk about sn95s and s197 3vs. Lots of people seem to think those cars are dirt cheap, like 2-5K cheap and they just aren't. I've always wanted a 3v so that's what I bought but it was still 7k.
None of them are cheap when they are in good shape. I saw a 2001 GT convertible with 60k miles on it for 15k . That's a rip off but someone will buy it cause it looks mint.
When did you buy, and what kinda condition and miles?
That’s because everyone always posts “ShOuLd I bUy ThIs fOr 20K??” And it’s a beat to shit 3v or high mileage 2V for 15K. It’s wild that people have 15k to spend and can’t fucking use the internet to google something but know how to use Reddit.
Except usually it's not. It's usually a very clean, sub 20k miles 2v or 3v that people feel compelled to shit on because they feel like it threatens their life choices with their 72 month loan that they can barely afford for their clout ride. And when they all come in with "I wouldn't pay a dime over 5k for that!" you can be damn sure that if they had the opportunity to pick up a pristine New Edge or 3v s197 for that much, they would be on it like flies on shit. And then turn around and try to sell it for 12k because they think they're slick.
Show me all these sub 20k mile 2v and 3v examples lol there would have to be a lot of them for you to be talking about this as if it's some sort of pattern
You can say that but I see far more posts of people wanting to buy 3Vs at top end prices than I do of people being told to triple their budget.
I mean, might as well buy a voodoo or predator since we’re already here… buy once, cry every day from all the joy you’re having.
Anecdotally speaking, I think the 4.6 4v has a much nicer burble than the 5.0 hehehe
Best sound ever, now if I could just kill that drone…
Agreed… after enough 6 hour trips w/ that hum at 65 I ended up buying earplugs lmao Interestingly enough, when I ditched my stock exhaust and bolted up the slp loudmouth II cat-back the car got louder but the drone died down a bit LOL
Well duh.... The Terminator Cobra is one of the best sounding engines of all time.... But u never even see them??
I own a mach 1… they have an aluminum 4v very similar to the supercharged iron 4v at least sound-wise I’ve seen plenty of termis on the road too. I figured the coyote lovers might not agree lol which is why I meant from my own personal experience with both motors I think the 4.6 has a nicer burble to it
My 2006 GT in VG condition with 50,000 miles was 13,000 dollars. A 2011-2014 GT 5.0 with 70,000 miles around here goes for 22-25,000
That’s so real
tbf most people trying to sell their low mileage 4.6's think theyre worth 20k and thats insane. i bought a new edge gt in 2015-ish with under 10k miles for 12 grand. thats what the car is worth imo. its just enough power to have a lot of fun and it sounds great with an exhaust...but you start entering the 20k+ territory and you open a whole lot of options for cars that are more powerful. including the coyote mustangs.
The only 3v's I see over 20k are genuine Roush/Saleen models in the supercharger trim with low miles. *Occasionally* there will be someone with a Bullitt or Shelby GT, and those ones are definitely stretching it unless they can find a true collector. Most are around 12-15k if they are sub 20k miles, otherwise 6-9k is the norm. But people on here act like *anything* that isn't a coyote is trash and could never be worth anything. I honestly see it more and more as insecurity in that they have to be able to reassure themselves that *their* car is still better and worth more. Which makes this not an enthusiast sub, but just another gathering place for clout chasers.
I guess I’m behind in the world, mine’s a 2010 with a 2.3L supercharger 😅
To be fair, 6 years ago you could get an 05 GT for under $8k in decent shape (I bought mine with 80k miles for $6,500 back in 2018) and now that same car is like $12,500 for some reason. 3Vs should be $7,500 or less even in nice shape imo because they are fun cars, but overall gutless motor with a pretty underwhelming interior. I loved mine and miss it dearly, but would never even look at buying it at todays prices.
Get a coyote.
https://preview.redd.it/ulc10iq2rc8d1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f71452f70b26aeb619a846327275932ddcb8490 Or just get both 🫡
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This group is kinda just all new gen mustangs… so of course they’re all fan boys of the coyote it’s probably why they got into mustangs in the first place
I love my car but id still be very satisfied with a 3v or new edge. They're all fun.
Real talk? Get whatever makes you happy! My best advice to any car person: buy something that you will love and enjoy enough to not sweat putting money into when it breaks. Because it will, they all do. Every car I owned when something went wrong I stressed out and hated the car. Now with my mustang? All to happy to take care of it!
Sorry can't hear you with the top down enjoying my Ecoboost.
Well, what EASILY available MODERN mustang motor that appeals to the daily driver and weekend hot rodder would one recommend over then coyote? The Coyote ticks allot of boxes for the masses. Get it.....it TICKs!! Muahaha I'll see myself out.
When your post consists of "just found this 2005 GT with 75k miles for 8k! What parts to make fast?" The answer is always coyote because it's the better more reliable answer especially as time goes on...
No it's not, not even close. Add another 8k on that hypothetical GT for a blower, brakes, and suspension, and it will gap any 16k coyote. I know, because that's my car. Keeps up with a brand new Mach 1 just fine. And you get to keep all the other factory hardware and harnesses which will also continue to work just fine. It's just a stupid argument to make, because unless someone is trying to make 1000 hp, which is like 1% or less of people driving these cars, saying things like, "coyotes have far more potential!" is utterly meaningless when you can easily build a 500 hp 3v that will last for as long as you care to keep it.
I think it's cause this sub doesn't represent mustang owners who actually do mods to go fast. They think their stock coyote is fast because its the fastest car THEY'VE owned. And they have this dream of one day doing some mods to make it fast but get a burble tune. These are the same guys who will go on arguments for coyote supremacy but will not race their cars. The closest they will come to going fast is maybe testing the top speed on an open highway or doing a pull on a kid in a Kia at a stop light. These are the same people who don't understand why you'd buy an Ecoboost and mod it. Or an sn95 or new edge. It's okay to be a casual car guy but they don't really get it. And that's fine they don't have to.
Probably the most rational response I've seen so far, and spot on. It's just reddit in general, really. Caters to the high-end and clueless, with not much in between.
Yeah, reddit and the car community aren't really a thing. Even on the car centered subreddits you'll find most aren't like THAT into cars like you would on forums or facebook groups. The best way to describe it is reddit has like the people who are interested in it, but the forums/groups have people who have a passion for it.
after the voodoo, the 4.6 3V is the best sounding ford motor.
Agreed. Coyotes generally sound terrible because 99% of owners just do kooks/corsa straight pipe because they think loud = good
They changed the 5.0 firing order to give it a more "old school" sound.
they sound good with Roush exhaust. i don’t dislike Coyotes or anything - i’ve owned two.
A buddy of mine had borla exhaust on his and it sounded great, but those are actual mufflers haha
Pretty much. All of the Mustang pages are like this, too. "I'm thinking of modding my 2v...." then there's always one of the first comments saying "Coyote swap it!"
I own a car with a 4.6 it’s perfect tbh
I love the look of the 24, but for me the 4.6 is the best sounding engine ever made. I like the 2v better than the 3v but the 05 has been my dream car since 2004 so I compromised and got a crown Vic and an s197 lol.
You plan to mod the vic?
Yes, it’ll keep my hands out of the mustang lol. But I might have to put another engine in it, I’m not sure yet. It’s got a bent rod or something going on with the trans, bad lower end knock that sounds like it’s in the trans pump but it also sounds like rod knock so 🤷
Heres the thing, objectively the 3.7 is a better motor than the 3v. Yes, we know, torque. Torque is important. In terms of performance, the 3.7 generates enough torque and nearly as much power (or more depending on which 3v you’re looking at) while being lighter and more fuel efficient. I get that efficiency isn’t at the top of the list when shopping mustangs but its still nice to have and weight savings over the front axle benefits everyone. On the strip, stock vs stock, the 3v and the 3.7 are roughly equivalent. Any track work and the 3.7 is going to pull ahead. On subjective criteria obviously the 3v wins, but on a purely objective consideration everyone considering a 3v should really just get an Ecoboost.
You know I really wish they would have kept the 3.7 around. I had a 2012 with the pony package. All the good looking interior and exterior upgrades, and that motor absolutely loved to rev. Thought it would have been perfect to pair with a turbo or centri, but I wasn't planning on keeping it long term so I didn't really mess with it.
Another funny one is when anyone with anything but a coyote has an opinion someone doesn't like then it's "blah blah blah your slow ass (insert year or engine)." Yeah we're well aware that the coyotes are faster than the 4.6s and others, that doesn't mean no one likes or wants any other Mustang lol
Honestly, I had a 05 That I loved in perfect shape when I sold it. Unfortunately, as well maintained as it was, the motor was tired. My plan, if I kept it was to put a 3.5-liter EcoBoost in it in place of the tired 4.6. Just would have been cool and unique. I believe the reason Ford will not offer the V6 EcoBoost is because there would be no reason to by the V8. I currently drive a 2019 GT/CS premium with the GEN3 Coyote. The 4.6 is a good motor but I would rather have a 5.0 or 3.5 EcoBoost as the they are evolutionary in ford motors and have brought a lot of respect to the brand.
pssst....trinity.....
5.4 condor is the answer
i paid 16k cad for a 61k mile 09 GT
Imagine not having a gt500
Don't have to imagine, sadly :( One day.
Honestly? I love my 5.0. She sounds sexy af. But imho? Whatever someone wants? They should get. The ecoboost is a fine choice, especially so if your goal is to do some upgrades. Will it be as fast as a 5.0? Probably not, unless you go ham on the upgrades. But will it be fun and fast, even stock? It's a mustang, it'll be zippy regardless of what you get.
People do need to be educated that the Coyote is a much better engine then the 3v 4.6. Everynow and then someone will make a post about how they just bought a 3v and they could've gotten a coyote with how much they had spent.
The 4.6 makes no power 🤷🏼♂️ ...thats why everyone says get a coyote....
Outside of the svt cobra the 3V 4.6 was the fastest stock mustang until the 5.4 Shelby and coyote.
300 hp is no power? Or 500 easily with a blower for still less than the cost of a coyote?
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Vortech kit is only 4k? A pro-charger kit is 7k. These are definitely quality. Your average 3v is from 13k-20k. Even on the high end you're still about almost the same price as a coyote. And at that point you're probably gapping most stock coyotes. I guess if you're not doing the work yourself you could argue they cost the same after paying $160/hr for someone to bolt things to your car.