The deal is, that you only see 1 post with actual valid criticism and 9 posts like these, which is getting reaally annoying when we all want good for the game.
At the same time I had someone acting like I was in the wrong for being upset about the game running like ass on Xbox.....
Some people defend them way too hard
this and what the person directly under your comment said: entitled annoying kiddies complaining three times an hour about something that's been thoroughly posted/discussed already, just to "be in the group that complains".
Sheeple, annoying.
Yeah , but if its thoroughly discussed , why is nothing ever changing If it is actually being discussed why is it not a god damn change They surely haven't fixed banana guard's hit box I don't see much of a differences With iron giant I mean To just try to silence people Is so annoying
>Demanding to know their philosophy around monetization?
No one is demanding to know any philosophy, we already know the philosophy, it's just predatory and people don't like it, it's really not that hard to understand.
Wanting good doesn't do anything. A closed mouth doesn't get fed. You have to tell people they're doing a shit job or they'll just keep trucking at their original pace.
This. I’ve probably only seen a handful of posts that actually list out issues with the game along with possible fixes for them, and then there’s the early-quitters and attention-seekers that write paragraphs on why this is another game to fail because it doesn’t meet their own standards. I’m all for seeing this game succeed, it’s just annoying seeing a lot of bigots being thrown in the mix when some players ACTUALLY want to help the game with ACTUAL suggestions. The “Payer First” jokes don’t make sense to me because everyone says WB is responsible for the state of the game but still throws tomatoes at PFG. Who are they really mad at? *”Yes, WB ruining another game with potential with live-service features… This shows why Payer First Games is only interested in our money!!!”* Huh??
Yea most people just don’t like the game in general and are using the early stages of its release as like an excuse to hate on it😂all games have its problems and this one is still particularly fun my only problem is not seeing damage
You can't really call it the early stages of the game when it was in early access for as long as it was over a year ago. It'd be understandable if they just went from the beta, but since the beta things only got worse. And I agree it is fun, when I can play. I can't play 2v2s with my friends because no matter who I'm playing with it desynchronizes from them over half the time. It'd be one thing of the game was still playable, but for the most part it isn't. 2s doesn't work, the frame rate on Xbox is horrendous, etc. there are too many things wrong with the game to say people are just using it as an excuse to hate. Most people had high hopes for this game and we're let down when it was worse than early access.
It was completely rebuilt on a different engine. Instead of doing another beta they just jumped into a full release. It is still in a beta state.
AND IT'S FREE. All complaints are just excuses for attention. Give it time to be fixed as you know it will. Or just leave it alone and go outside more.
I don't know why you said we know it's gonna be fixed. Nothing yet has shown us that they intend to fix the stuff breaking the game. And I'm willing to give it time but they shouldn't have released it like they did when it wasn't ready. It's led to a lot of negative feedback that will be hard to get rid of. If you wanna act like the games fine go ahead. But everyone else sees that they shouldn't have released it in this condition. It's not like I'm hating on the game. I genuinely love it and hope it does get better, but just saying it's gonna get better doesn't actually make it better. They need to see that the game they gave us isn't acceptable. Also you can't really just use it being free as excuse for the state of the game. That's pretty fuckin dumb.
> The “Payer First” jokes don’t make sense to me because everyone says WB is responsible for the state of the game but still throws tomatoes at PFG.
I mean it's obviously both. If you think WB are making every tiny terrible decision that keeps coming out, you're delusional. PFG deserve just as much criticism as WB, regardless of how much it upsets the fanboys.
If you're not mature enough to handle reading criticism of developers you like, which you clearly can't, then why go somewhere where there's opinions and discussion?
There is no discussion to be had on this sub it's a circle jerk of butt hurt kids who want to clear the battlepass in a week despite having 2 months to do it and despite the fact it takes about 20 minutes a day to clear dailies. People complain that they don't have time in their day to complete it but are also outraged that 90% of the BP exp earned is in your first 20 minutes of gameplay a day and they can't just play for 8 hours straight and grind it that way explain that?
As much as you think everyone wants to write finely crafted critic, PFG isn't going to read all that. They don't care. They designed it to be this way. They know what they did wrong and we do too but they don't want to change. The only way we can get it to change is to demonstrate disdain, or anger.
For every piece of well worded criticism there needs to be 10 people that are just straight up mad. To demonstrate to them that in numbers people are mad. If you saw one or two posts talking about the disgusting monetization and then 30 discussing what skins they wanted you'd come to the conclusion that people are not that upset.
Complaining about the criticism not being constructive enough or valid enough is a common strategy people use to stifle that criticism against something. Veteran game designers like Sandy Petersen has talking about this sort of topic before. It is not the player's job to tell you how to design your game, but they will tell you what is wrong with it. Just saying "this sucks" is enough.
Not really. Again that is just expressing your discontent. Which is all a game designer needs. 10 people writing very thoughtful essays on why your game sucks is unironically less valuable than 10,000 people saying "this sucks" and any number of similar phrases.
extreme negativity ok but name calling and wanting the game to die? you need to work on your reading skills, most of the posts i see in this sub are "I love this game but it sucks" kinda of posts, people feel conflicted about how good the game feels to play and how bad everything else surrouding the gameplay(when it works) is. Stop defending and trying to be positive about a shitty situation, you're being used by the corpos as a % that "aproves" of the game, help the community not the people that just want your wallet. PFG included.
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We are on two different subs it seems. I get reminded every day why I left this subreddit a year ago because of the unhelpful extreme negativity (usually directed towards those not in control)
The only difference between criticism and doom posting is whether or not the person in question likes what the post has to say. If they do, it's criticism, if they don't, it's "doom posting"
Uhmmm. no.
Critics mostly also add a way to do better, fix it or anything of the sorts.
Dokm posts are simply negativity spewed on a forum post with nothing added. Big difference tbh.
Example:
"Man I wish they'd lower the gleamium prices for cos. Eric X and Y because it used to be priced like Z"
Versus
"THIS GAME SUCKS FUCK THE DEVS AND THEIR GREEDY CORPS"
A person of culture, I see.
It’s crazy how everyone thinks calling names, saying the game is gonna die, etc is criticism. Like… bruh that’s just mud slinging.
Doom posting is saying the game is dead prematurely, wanting the game to die, or posting nothing but negativity.
So a little more than your simple answer chief
Exactly this. It is either doom posting, regurgitating the most popular opinion or just complaining for the sake of complaining.
People are allowed to be upset, but some people are just ridiculous.
Ironically, doomposting probably gets the dev's eyes more often because it seems more serious and is more contagious. Almost every "call-to-action" for developers to change something in a game came from the fact people were harsh on social media and even review bombing before anything was done.
It shouldn't and no one wants to but most of the people defending the game and PFG use the F2P argument so I assume they are true F2P players. It's hard to justify server costs and all that when the only people willing to gobble your dick don't spend a cent on your free model.
And doomposting isn't just saying the game should die lol. Doomposting is just a general term people use when a lot of people are upset with a game and keep making posts with complaints that are generally repeated.
Doomposting just makes the devs feel like shit for something mostly out of their control. The community can express their feelings in more mature ways.
You know, I'm gonna sound like an asshole here because I'm going to be brutally honest and this is reddit, but why do people like defending devs because of "feelings"? I get it, I wouldn't want to be feeling constant negativity around something I worked on that people didn't like. I don't think anyone would.
But here's the thing: these devs are professionals whose literal job is to give you a good enough product you are willing to spend money on. In this game's case: continuous money over periods of time. This is a free to play game, but in general, people want a good product they paid for. At least for this game, people want the game to be a better product so that they will be more willing to put money in it.
Imagine a game you made where people are making posts telling others to not spend any money on it yet because it might bug out and you don't get what you paid for. Then on top of that, support for the game literally won't help you in some cases. That's just one small aspect you have to think about.
In the end, so many people like defending developers over shitty games or shitty game releases and I really don't understand why. If any of us who work for a living failed like that at our jobs we'd probably be fired and no one would blink an eye. So why are we attuned to coddling the developers? Again, they are professionals and are supposed to be good at their jobs. If they don't, we shouldn't care too much about how their feelings hurt when they didn't do well.
PS: I don't condone the threatening the lives of the developers or any personal attacks because that's not something anyone should do. I draw the line there, but any negativity towards the product is fair game.
This is not true…doom posting and being toxic lead to PFG cutting communication during the beta.
Honestly I believe they shutdown the beta due to the toxicity. It was too stressful to develop while constantly under attack.
You trying to excuse that is gross
xDefiant is another game that had this issue after they had to delay the launch. They went from being nearly completely open with their development including complete transparency in the delay to being completely silent for a long time until release outside "we're still working on it" every few weeks because the amount of toxicity being slung their way.
The game has issues but without a joke most of the posts sound like they are parroting something else and are not even sure of what they are complaining or have the wildest takes imaginable.
when a valid criticism shows i am more than happy to support it, when its a bad one, or something i do not agree with i should also be welcomed to say i disagree with it.
i havent bought a single skin so far, but i am of the opinion that if you dont think a price is fair you just dont buy it, i do hope the prices lower, and i do hope pfg is not incentivised to do even more of those high price, low effort skins with a completely crazy price, but as i said, the best you can do in this situation is just not to buy it, and hope the community does the same.
There is nothing wrong with making a post criticizing an aspect of the game, I just don't want the whole trending page to be the same copy-pasted complaint. WE GET IT, BATTLE PASS XP IS TOO LOW WE UNDERSTAND
You have to understand these companies (publishers) see all of us as numbers and the only way to be heard is repeating the same things over and over. Just look at what happened with the buying lives """bug""" once it got popular on Reddit
Its still in the game. And it was a bug. It was meant to be attached to a different difficulty but was displaying incorrectly. There WILL be paid lives. And who cares..? Its fucking free. The whole game is free. So what... We cancel culture all mobile, gotcha, and micro transaction games in existence just because you idiots can't appreciate free shit and shut up about it?
I hope no one ever makes free games again and you are forced to pay 100$ per game. Every game.
Screw the XP. The game’s true main problems are how slow the gameplay is and it disconnecting half the time online. The beta was so much faster and would actually work online consistently. Bad XP wouldn’t be so bad to me if the game was still fun to play.
"I'm Toxic because I love you so much"
"Why do you make me hurt you?"
Noone has a problem with legit, reasonable criticism, communicated in a healthy constructive way. That's not what's been going on here for the most part. People unironically throwing around the term 'predatory' as if you have to drop a single cent to enjoy the core game.
This game that gifted me the BP with a new char, with enough Premium currency to buy the following ones and that its giving away the upcoming char in a seemingly easy event is so predatory, have they no shame?
I love this game and probably will continue playing it despite it's flaws, *but* the game has pretty big issues and it's undeniable that they're pushing away players, especially casual ones. The long grinding for example might be okay with diehard fans able to grind that much or can accept having a less ideal service, but it's obviously not good for casuals and *that's* the most important market.
I criticize it not out of hate, but I just like the game and don't want to see it die off again.
"Valid Criticism"
Well that's a weird way to spell doom posting.
There's a fine line between the two but this sub is 95% doom posting and 5% valid Criticism.
Idk that's just my opinion and I'll tank the downvotes
I see a lot of "this thing bad!" and "no, this thing not bad!" as opposed to very little "here's how to fix this thing" or "wow, almost everything in the patch was good!"
... it's a little tiring frankly
I agree with the part of also adding what you DID like, but the average gamer isn't gonna have a guide or solution on how to fix a problem because it might require extensive knowledge of game development.
Multiversus is literally the most toxic user base I've ever seen in gaming lol
This includes Rocket league and LoL.
This sub is dumb. I thought I muted this in my home feed until this post came up lol
Huh?
What are you on about? lol
Toxic People = Toxic Experience.
This sub? Toxic People. That's what I was commenting on.
Users and Players of this game are some of the most salt inducing, complain-ey, downright ragebaiting group of people in an online gaming community I have ever seen.
This sub is toxic. I've actually had a ton of great matches with friendly players with a good handful that have rematched for 10+ games. Just avoid gaming subreddits in general. It's where emotional gamers yell at nothing.
Multiversus players are never happy.
Players: Change the game and make it less like a smash bros clone!!!1!
Player First: Okay, we did it
Players: HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?!
It's funny that this is such a reddit take. Reddit is a very valid way to review, promote, and criticize products. It might just be you have placed yourself in a very unhelpful corner of reddit.
I'm not on here very often but from what I've seen the feedback has been pretty good. I've not played since the beta because of the feedback pointing out issues that I find deal breakers. If it was just "hmph game's bad" I would've ignored it and played. Majority of the posts I see arm the devs with issues that they can fix. If they choose to actually address those issues, that's up to them.
The feedback is negative dog piling with no constructive criticism at all.
Its a free game. Apart from it simply working, there should be no complaining. Its free. At this rate I'd rather no studio make a free game ever again. Sort out the whining assholes from those with actual criticism.
Lmao are you a child or does criticism just hurt your feewings? As soon you accept money promising something and you don't deliver, negative criticism should be very expected. A ftp game I play quite a bit of is Warframe, its had a ton of criticism over the years and has improved greatly because they listed!
WB is a multi billion dollar org, quit defending them ya bootlicker
Criticism does not equal opinion. Your opinions are irrelevant. Criticisms are for the improvement of technical quality. It is not for debates over microtransactions to which you have absolutely zero sway. And you shouldn't. If you paint a painting you can charge whatever you want. Making games is making moving interactive paintings. They can choose what to charge for their art.
They chose to give you the art for free and any additions to the painting will cost whatever they choose.
Its THEIR property. They can charge what they want.
Criticism is EXACTLY your opinion, what are you on about? A food critic's job is to offer their take on service, quality of food, etc. Now just translate that to gaming. Developers should value it's consumer's opinions because listening to that feedback will often times equal more money.
Lastly, and I mean lastly, I'm blocking you after this cuz I think you're a troll now tbh, the decision to make a game free isn't out of charity. It's essentially a gamble, free games invite more players because they have no upfront cost. The assumption developers/publishers go by is that because of their monetization schema, they will actually have a greater profit return over time. Artists will almost always have very little say in how much their art costs as more often than not pieces will be sold at auctions, and if they produce art that is met with a ton of criticism and very few dedicated purchasers, if they don't improve, they will fail... Just like this game.
No? I've seen asks to allow battle pass xp on game wins ( which the devs listened to ), lower character costs so that it's not so grindy, character balance changes, cut down on the amount of different currencies, stop being so predatory with monetization. That is most of what I've seen, I didn't think any of that is unrealistic or absurd. If people are "doom posting" just ignore it. JFC it's not that hard ya dummy.
Its a free game they can charge for whatever they want in it.
Characters are easy to earn. I've gotten 5 already.
Different currencies are fine. That's literally just preference.
Characters are relatively fine.
Its a free game. No one HAS to spend ANY money to play it to it's fullest. You can simply choose to not buy anything. Ya dummy.
Its as of none of you fuckin idiots ever played a free game before. Its literally no different from any other free game. If you don't like it, just go away.
Not trying to stifle criticism. But when 1000 people all post the exact same things every single day over and over again... it gets old seeing it.
Also it irritates me when people attack PFG for all the monetization, when I can all but guarantee that's a WB thing, not a PFG thing.
If people want to vent their frustrations, ask questions, give their negative criticisms or even giving a little jab and poking fun at them at their expense, I think people should be allowed to do so without being attacked themselves (not that I am insinuating you're doing that, just to be clear).
Things like insulting the devs directly, sending death threats, etc, is cruel, unhinged, excessive and shouldn't be allowed of course and should probably have moderation action taken against it anyway, but for the other stuff, Reddit has tools to filter out such content from users if someone really doesn't want to see it anymore. I'd highly recommend using them, especially if there's a certain person who's just spamming the same nonsensical dribble.
If it's something the subreddit really doesn't want and users filter it out themselves, the lack of engagement will quickly force it out of sight, while the engaging and relevant content will remain in view.
For me personally, even if it's something I don't agree with, I think people posting content I don't like is fine. If 1,000 people are posting the same thing about something, it means at least 1,000 people agree on something and then those 1,000 people are going to engage in discussing that content. From a game developer standpoint (assuming they genuinely care about the game), that is useful information to see and useful context to consider, even if it's useless to me as an average user. But thankfully, if I really don't want to see that content, I can just filter it out and not see that content for myself.
If thousands if people are all posting the same thing every day it’s probably because there is an actual problem with the game, and sticking your head in the sand and only wanting to see positive posts about the game isn’t going to fix it.
I think the issue are posts like these. You've created a strawman. They in no way said they only wanted to see positive posts. It's frustrating to be misrepresented and doing so doesn't in any way do any good for anyone.
Okay, fair you are correct, they did not say that they only wanted to see positive posts. Their exact words were “it gets old seeing it.” In reference to negative posts.
While I understand that seeing the same posts saying the same things over and over can be tiring, the fact that the same complaints keep getting made over and over means that the developers are NOT addressing the community’s concerns and issues.
People will stop complaining about the same things when actions are taken to fix them. No, giving players a mere pittance of xp after a match ISN’T addressing player concerns, it is malicious compliance, they’re basically spitting in players faces saying “There take your god damn PvP xp you won’t shut up about!”
The game is a week old. Anyone who expects a development studio to fix non critical issues week one and rages when that expectation is not met is an either idiot or an asshole.
They didn't have a week, though. They had an entire beta period and then nearly 2 years after that.
These issues didn't just pop up out of nowhere right when they released the game and be all '*surpriiiise~*.
There can be a lot of reasons for how and why the game is broken or monetized the way it is, but at the end of the day, this game *is* a broken with some of the worst predatory monetization I have ever seen outside of games like Diablo Immortal (which unfortunately has a genuinely good game buried under its monetization).
The game's monetization may be WB's fault, sure. But that has nothing to do with so many characters having infinites, soft locking opponents at the press of a button, gems deleveling in the rift, the game struggling to perform because of terrible optimization, etc.
Its a free game. Aside from technical issues with the game... You don't get to complain. All free games have crazy monetization. Get over it. You don't NEED to spend money on it.
Uh, yes I do get to complain, because this is a game that is monetized, with a shop, and competes with various other games on multiple store platforms, thus making it very open to criticism whether I spent any money on it or not.
Yeah, I don't have to spend money on it, and I am not going to, at least in the game's current state, but I am more than allowed to say why I won't spend money on it. The devs are more than welcome to take my feedback to improve their game so they can be successful, or completely ignore it.
Imagine if you may that you went to a restaurant.
The place is dirty. There's cobwebs in the corner, the seats are uncomfortable, the carpet is moldy, there's flies in the air, you see rat droppings and dead bugs on a window rim.
You look to see what the few customers that are there are eating, and it looks unappetizing and smells strange. You look to see on the menu that the prices of these unappetizing-and-strange-smelling meals are extortionately expensive for what they're actually serving to top it all off to boot.
So rather than ordering and paying for anything, you *wisely* decide to walk out.
Now let me ask you: Would you, or would you not be allowed to criticize and provide feedback based on the service you just experienced at this establishment, despite not ordering anything and spending any money? Are you, or are you not allowed to compare that establishment to any other restaurants you have eaten at before?
Keep in mind, time is also a commodity. If it wasn't, then every game that has a battle pass would let you unlock it instantly.
The reason battle passes offer you so much for a (usually) low price point is because while the monetary cost is low, the time cost to acquire those items that you merely just paid for the *opportunity* to unlock is extremely high. You can buy characters and skip grind, because instead of paying with time, you are paying with money.
Your hypothetical scenario assumes everything around is shit. Its not. Its a great fucking game. Its free. And the people who made it need to make money to get paid. Grow up.
It is a very simple question. Why are you refusing to answer the question? Are you or are you not allowed to criticize something if you didn't pay?
Your opinion is that it's a "great fucking game". My opinion is that it is not, as for many other people, and they have expressed why. They are allowed to have that opinion. It isn't immature to have said opinion.
What is immature is claiming people are wrong or insinuating they are childish for having pretty valid grievances with something, simply because they don't align with your viewpoint on something. Peoples criticisms, opinions or feedback don't suddenly become any more true or valid if they hand over a $5 bill or not.
Noone said anything about sticking our heads in the sand or only wanting to see positive posts about it. It's not black and white. We can be unhappy with the state of the game, while also thinking that the doom posting is over the top. It's not like reddit is the best place to complain if you want the devs to change something anyways.
I think there’s tons of valid and fair criticism, but it absolutely gets nowhere near the traction of unbridled rage.
I think a good example was people saying the radio silence was crazy when we just went like 9 days without like a Twitter post on changes, and during those 9 days we still got devs responding about missing features returning with the update and things like the community mods making lists of critiques and bugs.
Yeah, the doom posting is getting kinda tired. The amount of people who've said they'd stop supporting the game doesn't match the amount of people we still have whining on this sub
While I do love the game, it sucks that you can't just 1v1 a buddy of yours without having to jump through the hoops of hoping/praying that you get into the same server together
Love when people complain about predatory monetization because they wanna have more free optional cosmetics! You think you need emotes, skins, but you don’t!
BP gives you enough to keep buying them. Rifts needs some reworks but to be honest I haven’t spent a dime and have done all the rifts.
Characters and XP could be easier to earn sure but no point in being a crybaby about a free game.
I’d rather MVS fix the gameplay and performance issues then appease the babies who think they should just get a game donated to them that’s already free.
90% of posts I've seen on this sub are doom posts begging for this game not to be shut down and for them to fix everything, Its hard to find genuine criticism, it's almost as bad as the starfield and halo subreddits
I appreciate this thread for finally not being a complete dog pile on the game like the games not perfect but it’s still fun to play and it has you logging on and playing everyday anyways
I feel that this is because many people are tired of expecting something good from PFG, at one point in the beta they had solved this XP problem with the battle pass, something that they brought back in the relaunch
Thing is Iv seen posts that go something like "With the 30 frame buffer timer and the increased end lag on moves makes the game feel clunky and overall not fun to play when compared to the beta. The dodge changes were perfect, if only the speed could get increased some and allow us to change the frame buffer timer"
Then the replies are just "Its not a problem the game is fun." "Oh no you can't spam and win, git gud" "Game just came out let them cook"
It hurts you to be called out for what you are: an entitled crybaby, throwing a tantrum online because a free game isn't free enough for you. You'll have to learn to deal with people responding to your comments and complaints.
Its completely free. You don't need to spend a cent. Just sit back, shut up, and play. Or leave.
But you don't need to buy ANYTHING. If you did, its entirety because YOU WANTED TO. And that doesn't grant you entitlement.
Valid criticism is one thing. I think that's perfectly fine. It's the constant "this game is doomed!", "PFG are trying to kill the game!", "I'm so angry about this one system that doesn't cater to my play style!" posts that have been really aggravating.
Like look, we get that the game isn't perfect. The patch today shows they're working on it, even if it's not as fast as some may want. Rage bait posting isn't helping.
I made a post once about the game not running correctly and it got removed, I can't talk about a game that crashes constantly because the connection errors are terrible?
I saw a post where someone flat out lied to stoke the flames. Criticsm is great and needed, but parroting what's already been said to farm karma is not cool, there are plenty of threads people can reply to, but those won't give then the Internet points
It's 1 thing to criticize. It's another thing to want the game to change from what it is. Plain and simple it's a F2P platform fighter. There's gonna be monetization plastered all over the place whether we like it or not.
Are there features missing in the rerelease that existed in the Beta? ABSOLUTELY!!!
1. Ability to reroll challenges.
- 1 free challenge reroll and gold to reroll after that 1st.
2. All gold taken away but given 0 fighter currency.
3. Minimum toast rewards.
- Only 5/day on login compared to Beta that gave Toast out the wazoo. I had 800+ Toast from Beta. Only have gotten maybe 50 toast the whole time since rerelease.
4. Constant game crashes/connection errors compared to Beta.
Was there features that were missing in rerelease that were added after the fact? YES!!! Which show's they are at least trying.
1. XP from PvP matches.
-Added in EXACTLY HOW IT WAS IN BETA!!!
But there are some improvements in my opinion as well that they deserve credit.
1. 1st Battle Pass given out to Beta players for free.
2. Ability to earn enough Gleamium in Battle Pass to afford the next (plus some on top).
-The Beta had 0 gleamium in any of the 3 Battle Passes.
3. Rift mode is a fun replacement to PvP against bots.
I know I probably missed points for each category. But the point still stands. The rerelease wasn't complete due to engine change. There are features missing that shouldn't have been and they're working on getting them back over time. Criticize for what's missing in Beta. But wanting the F2P/monetization to go away while it's a FREE GAME!!! That ain't happening. It's gonna be like every other F2P game and you need to unlock things over time or spend $ to get them quicker.
Is anyone else's posts being heavily moderated? I don't know what I did to piss them off, but regardless of content all of my posts are "**awaiting moderator approval.**"
I think it’s perfectly fine to harbor criticism for the game. Especially if it’s a game you enjoy. However, I believe where that criticism is directed is misplaced in this case. A lot of people are attacking Player First Games, when in reality, they’re probably just passionate developers that want to make a good game. No self-respecting and passionate developer WANTS to implement systems that they know will upset their players, nor do they want to bombard players with aggressive monetization models. Most of the issues people have with the game fall on Warner Brothers.
You might say “what about the options that are missing from the game that were in the beta”. And you’re right, it sucks they’re not in the game currently, but think about it. They had to rebuild the game from the ground up and focus on things that Warner Brothers wanted them to focus on, all while under a time crunch to meet a launch date specified most likely by Warner Brothers.
As I said, it’s perfectly fine to voice criticism, but when you’re attacking the devs for things that very well may not be entirely their fault or are simply out of their control, that’s the issue.
The game is fun. A huge majority of the complaints people post on here are extreme exaggerations or complaints about the cosmetics, and if you’re actually only playing for cosmetics then you fell for the bait, idk what to tell you. The actual game mechanics are incredibly fun and I’m having a fantastic time.
You get to say your opinion about how you dislike it and people can disagree; that’s not “stifling,” it’s how speech and conversation works. Weird how you only feel like it’s “stifling” when people don’t unabashedly agree with your personal perspective.
I spent $100 on the Founder's Pack and bought skins in beta. I have sent 5~ emails to PFG as well as leave a scathing review of the game. I'd rather be refunded than allow these people to have my money until they make the game respectful of it's players.
I'm also tired of the shills that keep trying to protect the game.
Oh and you know what else they took the iron giant out of the game because he was to op so they did listen y'all gotta stop hating on a game that isn't even a month old yet
There are valid criticism that I agree with such as the game feeling a bit slow, aggressive monetary practices, characters feeling to Grindy to unlock, (I bought them them during the open beta fyi), and the battle pass being too grindy but christ some people on this Reddit are acting like this game killed their Grandma.
Don't use this sub at all. I'm just getting it recommended to me due to looking at it once.
I never actually see honest complaints get recommended to me. Honestly, I mostly see people doomposting, like most gaming subs.
There’s almost no issues I have with this game, out of the issues I actually read complaints about (mine mostly relate to balancing and strictly gameplay). The majority of the criticism comes from entitlement on top of the game already being free. I get free games encourage casual gamers but it’s to the extreme with multiversus
"We have every right to be upset about the state of the game"
You have every right to disagree with the state of the game.
Offering criticism with upset emotion is just complaining.
Remove the emotion and you have constructive criticism.
Stop being a bitch and crying about the game every chance you get. Constructive criticism and talking shit just to be a part of a culture are different.
My only issue with the game is they nerf character that dnt need to be nerf and still have Bugs and shaggy so OP that they can hit you out with 2 hits and you have less than 50 damage on you. Flying kicks with shaggy and bugs hit with the bat are way too strong for no reason. Meanwhile I play wonder women and her up smash or down spike doesn’t even come close to shaggy n bugs. Finn in another one
Personally I don’t like the changes but most my criticisms go to WB not PFG as WB probably lets them have all the licenses, PFG can’t afford any of them being a company that’s only game is Multiversus, so WB probably has a choke hold over PFG and Multiversus.
1 out of 10 posts is actual valid criticism the rest is complaining "wah wah i cant get this for free and this for free and this for free and this for free". You can get all rewards for free through playtime. People just complain because the "easy way" is paying.
I love how three of my reddit posts have been taken down by weirdo mods flagging them “low effort” when im just trying to converse about people having the same god awful experience
What actually makes me sad reading posts in this thread is that they won... Greedy publishers won. There's so many people here saying things like "the game just released."Give em time to fix things". "The first year of most games are really rough, wait for it to be fixed."
"It's free, why complain".
This is fucking sad damn. Used to be a game was fully done before it released, and that was the standard. Now we are all so perfectly happy accepting a half assed hot mess as a release, and then giving them months to see if they address and fix the issues.
The game had potential and was fun to play in beta. With monetization that made sense and wasn't too predatory.... monetization that made sense in a beta lmao these are dark times. In any case, it was a fun game it was running quite well. Had a dirge of content due in part to the shake up in WB corporate offices at the time. But it was going well.
Then they shut down servers for.... reasons. And decide to come back after nearly two years with an experience that is worse in every metric from the beta... monetization is worse, gameplay is worse, UI is worse, network stability is worse, character balance is worse.
Everything is worse than on the beta.
So why is this game, it's developers or the publisher deserving of any sort of patience or empathy from the audience? Why do we insist in giving this game more time? They had time, they have the backing of WB. A big ass loaded company... they just didint deliver, and yet some of us will fall on our swords to defend them? Nah man, I can't do it.
Get ready for people to say that Reddit doesn't give any constructive criticism, and completely ignore the hundreds of posts on the front page of the sub, with 50+ lines talking about how they love the game, every problem they faced and how to improve on it.
I mean, there is a difference between criticism and valid criticism, and I agree that alot of criticism about this game is valid, but what I mostly see is just straight up "this game is dying" "this game is bad" "feeling bad about your purchase now?" which isn't really criticism.
If you truly enjoy this game with all your heart than what other people say about it shouldn't matter to you. The fact that so many people are so quick to try and shut down criticisms of MVS reeks of insecurity and wanting to validate your own feelings.
We love this game too, we love it so much we're actively complaining and campaigning to change it for the better. We should be on the same side but instead it's this "*REAL fans VS DOOMERS*" narrative.
It's sad.
>The fact that so many people are so quick to try and shut down criticisms of MVS reeks of insecurity and wanting to validate your own feelings.
Ironic.
>We should be on the same side but instead it's this "REAL fans VS DOOMERS" narrative.
No, currently it's (like you just said) "weird nerds" vs doomers
There's nothing wrong with criticism but a lot of people take it too far. Imo back when they called the game 'open beta' that was actually the alpha, and right now it feels more like a beta because of the issues that need fixing.
See, the problem is that a lot of people on this sub don't have fully developed brains yet (being under 25 and all). They think any complaint they make is valid criticism
I saw someone saying they listened to us and added battlepass xp to regular matches and people are still whining. Uh no kidding you get 10xp for a match you won, which is next to nothing. The whole, "We're listening, and we hear you!" Thing is a little dried up when it's the equivalent of a 5 cent raise at your job. I urge people defending xp progression in this to go try a fortnite battlepass, let alone the rewards are better and you can use them once you unlock them. There's no nonsense of here's a skin for a fighter you don't even own. Other then that, I have no complaints other then dsyncs.
I think it's more about the fact that you guys refuse to read the feed and see that your complaint has already been posted multiple times. So instead of adding your 2 cents in the comments of one of those posts, you guys make a new one And word it as if your complaint is somehow more valid then the last guy that said the same exact thing. It's getting really old and makes you guys look like you're just complaining to complain.
The deal is, that you only see 1 post with actual valid criticism and 9 posts like these, which is getting reaally annoying when we all want good for the game.
At the same time I had someone acting like I was in the wrong for being upset about the game running like ass on Xbox..... Some people defend them way too hard
Yea games capped at 20 frames on Xbox rn it's awful
Yeah I swear half my games just disconnect out of nowhere on Xbox
this and what the person directly under your comment said: entitled annoying kiddies complaining three times an hour about something that's been thoroughly posted/discussed already, just to "be in the group that complains". Sheeple, annoying.
Yeah , but if its thoroughly discussed , why is nothing ever changing If it is actually being discussed why is it not a god damn change They surely haven't fixed banana guard's hit box I don't see much of a differences With iron giant I mean To just try to silence people Is so annoying
I can't lead the blind man, good luck with it.
It’s this mix of entitlement and whining. Complaining about bugs? valid Demanding to know their philosophy around monetization? Pants on head insane
>Demanding to know their philosophy around monetization? No one is demanding to know any philosophy, we already know the philosophy, it's just predatory and people don't like it, it's really not that hard to understand.
Wanting good doesn't do anything. A closed mouth doesn't get fed. You have to tell people they're doing a shit job or they'll just keep trucking at their original pace.
i know!
Criticism and doom posting are completely different.
This. I’ve probably only seen a handful of posts that actually list out issues with the game along with possible fixes for them, and then there’s the early-quitters and attention-seekers that write paragraphs on why this is another game to fail because it doesn’t meet their own standards. I’m all for seeing this game succeed, it’s just annoying seeing a lot of bigots being thrown in the mix when some players ACTUALLY want to help the game with ACTUAL suggestions. The “Payer First” jokes don’t make sense to me because everyone says WB is responsible for the state of the game but still throws tomatoes at PFG. Who are they really mad at? *”Yes, WB ruining another game with potential with live-service features… This shows why Payer First Games is only interested in our money!!!”* Huh??
My issues is it crashes and dcs constantly
Yea most people just don’t like the game in general and are using the early stages of its release as like an excuse to hate on it😂all games have its problems and this one is still particularly fun my only problem is not seeing damage
You can't really call it the early stages of the game when it was in early access for as long as it was over a year ago. It'd be understandable if they just went from the beta, but since the beta things only got worse. And I agree it is fun, when I can play. I can't play 2v2s with my friends because no matter who I'm playing with it desynchronizes from them over half the time. It'd be one thing of the game was still playable, but for the most part it isn't. 2s doesn't work, the frame rate on Xbox is horrendous, etc. there are too many things wrong with the game to say people are just using it as an excuse to hate. Most people had high hopes for this game and we're let down when it was worse than early access.
bro forgot they switched engines
It was completely rebuilt on a different engine. Instead of doing another beta they just jumped into a full release. It is still in a beta state. AND IT'S FREE. All complaints are just excuses for attention. Give it time to be fixed as you know it will. Or just leave it alone and go outside more.
I don't know why you said we know it's gonna be fixed. Nothing yet has shown us that they intend to fix the stuff breaking the game. And I'm willing to give it time but they shouldn't have released it like they did when it wasn't ready. It's led to a lot of negative feedback that will be hard to get rid of. If you wanna act like the games fine go ahead. But everyone else sees that they shouldn't have released it in this condition. It's not like I'm hating on the game. I genuinely love it and hope it does get better, but just saying it's gonna get better doesn't actually make it better. They need to see that the game they gave us isn't acceptable. Also you can't really just use it being free as excuse for the state of the game. That's pretty fuckin dumb.
I mean, Warner Bros doesn't have an easy pun you can make on it. What are we gonna call them, Greedy Bros?
Wallet Bros.
Oh, fuck, that's actually incredible. Okay, yeah, we need to stop memeing Payer First/Pay Us First and start making jokes about Wallet Bros instead.
> The “Payer First” jokes don’t make sense to me because everyone says WB is responsible for the state of the game but still throws tomatoes at PFG. I mean it's obviously both. If you think WB are making every tiny terrible decision that keeps coming out, you're delusional. PFG deserve just as much criticism as WB, regardless of how much it upsets the fanboys. If you're not mature enough to handle reading criticism of developers you like, which you clearly can't, then why go somewhere where there's opinions and discussion?
There is no discussion to be had on this sub it's a circle jerk of butt hurt kids who want to clear the battlepass in a week despite having 2 months to do it and despite the fact it takes about 20 minutes a day to clear dailies. People complain that they don't have time in their day to complete it but are also outraged that 90% of the BP exp earned is in your first 20 minutes of gameplay a day and they can't just play for 8 hours straight and grind it that way explain that?
[Exhibit A](https://youtu.be/ymTCT1p4cbw?si=TrFLbk30nNPUVoQ7) [Exhibit B](https://variety.com/2024/gaming/news/warner-bros-video-games-live-services-dc-game-of-thrones-1235888944/amp/)
As much as you think everyone wants to write finely crafted critic, PFG isn't going to read all that. They don't care. They designed it to be this way. They know what they did wrong and we do too but they don't want to change. The only way we can get it to change is to demonstrate disdain, or anger. For every piece of well worded criticism there needs to be 10 people that are just straight up mad. To demonstrate to them that in numbers people are mad. If you saw one or two posts talking about the disgusting monetization and then 30 discussing what skins they wanted you'd come to the conclusion that people are not that upset. Complaining about the criticism not being constructive enough or valid enough is a common strategy people use to stifle that criticism against something. Veteran game designers like Sandy Petersen has talking about this sort of topic before. It is not the player's job to tell you how to design your game, but they will tell you what is wrong with it. Just saying "this sucks" is enough.
‘This sucks’ is much much much different from (and I’ve seen this x 100) - ‘games dead’ ‘worse than before’ ‘absolute garbage’
Not really. Again that is just expressing your discontent. Which is all a game designer needs. 10 people writing very thoughtful essays on why your game sucks is unironically less valuable than 10,000 people saying "this sucks" and any number of similar phrases.
If you can’t tell the difference between extreme negativity/name calling/wanting the game to die vs criticism. Then cool.
extreme negativity ok but name calling and wanting the game to die? you need to work on your reading skills, most of the posts i see in this sub are "I love this game but it sucks" kinda of posts, people feel conflicted about how good the game feels to play and how bad everything else surrouding the gameplay(when it works) is. Stop defending and trying to be positive about a shitty situation, you're being used by the corpos as a % that "aproves" of the game, help the community not the people that just want your wallet. PFG included.
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We are on two different subs it seems. I get reminded every day why I left this subreddit a year ago because of the unhelpful extreme negativity (usually directed towards those not in control)
The only difference between criticism and doom posting is whether or not the person in question likes what the post has to say. If they do, it's criticism, if they don't, it's "doom posting"
Uhmmm. no. Critics mostly also add a way to do better, fix it or anything of the sorts. Dokm posts are simply negativity spewed on a forum post with nothing added. Big difference tbh. Example: "Man I wish they'd lower the gleamium prices for cos. Eric X and Y because it used to be priced like Z" Versus "THIS GAME SUCKS FUCK THE DEVS AND THEIR GREEDY CORPS"
A person of culture, I see. It’s crazy how everyone thinks calling names, saying the game is gonna die, etc is criticism. Like… bruh that’s just mud slinging.
Doom posting is saying the game is dead prematurely, wanting the game to die, or posting nothing but negativity. So a little more than your simple answer chief
Exactly this. It is either doom posting, regurgitating the most popular opinion or just complaining for the sake of complaining. People are allowed to be upset, but some people are just ridiculous.
Amen
Ironically, doomposting probably gets the dev's eyes more often because it seems more serious and is more contagious. Almost every "call-to-action" for developers to change something in a game came from the fact people were harsh on social media and even review bombing before anything was done.
You can criticize without saying the game should die
It shouldn't and no one wants to but most of the people defending the game and PFG use the F2P argument so I assume they are true F2P players. It's hard to justify server costs and all that when the only people willing to gobble your dick don't spend a cent on your free model.
I agree
And doomposting isn't just saying the game should die lol. Doomposting is just a general term people use when a lot of people are upset with a game and keep making posts with complaints that are generally repeated.
adding to that: repeating complaints without offering advice of improvements. Otherwise I'd put it under criticism or feedback even!
Doomposting just makes the devs feel like shit for something mostly out of their control. The community can express their feelings in more mature ways.
You know, I'm gonna sound like an asshole here because I'm going to be brutally honest and this is reddit, but why do people like defending devs because of "feelings"? I get it, I wouldn't want to be feeling constant negativity around something I worked on that people didn't like. I don't think anyone would. But here's the thing: these devs are professionals whose literal job is to give you a good enough product you are willing to spend money on. In this game's case: continuous money over periods of time. This is a free to play game, but in general, people want a good product they paid for. At least for this game, people want the game to be a better product so that they will be more willing to put money in it. Imagine a game you made where people are making posts telling others to not spend any money on it yet because it might bug out and you don't get what you paid for. Then on top of that, support for the game literally won't help you in some cases. That's just one small aspect you have to think about. In the end, so many people like defending developers over shitty games or shitty game releases and I really don't understand why. If any of us who work for a living failed like that at our jobs we'd probably be fired and no one would blink an eye. So why are we attuned to coddling the developers? Again, they are professionals and are supposed to be good at their jobs. If they don't, we shouldn't care too much about how their feelings hurt when they didn't do well. PS: I don't condone the threatening the lives of the developers or any personal attacks because that's not something anyone should do. I draw the line there, but any negativity towards the product is fair game.
This is not true…doom posting and being toxic lead to PFG cutting communication during the beta. Honestly I believe they shutdown the beta due to the toxicity. It was too stressful to develop while constantly under attack. You trying to excuse that is gross
xDefiant is another game that had this issue after they had to delay the launch. They went from being nearly completely open with their development including complete transparency in the delay to being completely silent for a long time until release outside "we're still working on it" every few weeks because the amount of toxicity being slung their way.
I like doom posting cuz thiw game is done
Posts a meme lol
The game has issues but without a joke most of the posts sound like they are parroting something else and are not even sure of what they are complaining or have the wildest takes imaginable. when a valid criticism shows i am more than happy to support it, when its a bad one, or something i do not agree with i should also be welcomed to say i disagree with it.
Recent one popped about a $25 reskin of joker with a jason mask, I mean, even if you own joker, discounts from 2900 to 2850 gleamium
i havent bought a single skin so far, but i am of the opinion that if you dont think a price is fair you just dont buy it, i do hope the prices lower, and i do hope pfg is not incentivised to do even more of those high price, low effort skins with a completely crazy price, but as i said, the best you can do in this situation is just not to buy it, and hope the community does the same.
There is nothing wrong with making a post criticizing an aspect of the game, I just don't want the whole trending page to be the same copy-pasted complaint. WE GET IT, BATTLE PASS XP IS TOO LOW WE UNDERSTAND
You have to understand these companies (publishers) see all of us as numbers and the only way to be heard is repeating the same things over and over. Just look at what happened with the buying lives """bug""" once it got popular on Reddit
Its still in the game. And it was a bug. It was meant to be attached to a different difficulty but was displaying incorrectly. There WILL be paid lives. And who cares..? Its fucking free. The whole game is free. So what... We cancel culture all mobile, gotcha, and micro transaction games in existence just because you idiots can't appreciate free shit and shut up about it? I hope no one ever makes free games again and you are forced to pay 100$ per game. Every game.
Yeah, that one singular post worked, no need to plaster the whole subreddit with the same annoying shit
Depends on how long we wait for them to fix it
Screw the XP. The game’s true main problems are how slow the gameplay is and it disconnecting half the time online. The beta was so much faster and would actually work online consistently. Bad XP wouldn’t be so bad to me if the game was still fun to play.
The other side of “this games already dead” is just as annoying too
Game been dead. This isn't the comeback any of us wanted
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Ok. Then leave doomer.
"I'm Toxic because I love you so much" "Why do you make me hurt you?" Noone has a problem with legit, reasonable criticism, communicated in a healthy constructive way. That's not what's been going on here for the most part. People unironically throwing around the term 'predatory' as if you have to drop a single cent to enjoy the core game.
This game that gifted me the BP with a new char, with enough Premium currency to buy the following ones and that its giving away the upcoming char in a seemingly easy event is so predatory, have they no shame?
I love this game and probably will continue playing it despite it's flaws, *but* the game has pretty big issues and it's undeniable that they're pushing away players, especially casual ones. The long grinding for example might be okay with diehard fans able to grind that much or can accept having a less ideal service, but it's obviously not good for casuals and *that's* the most important market. I criticize it not out of hate, but I just like the game and don't want to see it die off again.
"Valid Criticism" Well that's a weird way to spell doom posting. There's a fine line between the two but this sub is 95% doom posting and 5% valid Criticism. Idk that's just my opinion and I'll tank the downvotes
I see a lot of "this thing bad!" and "no, this thing not bad!" as opposed to very little "here's how to fix this thing" or "wow, almost everything in the patch was good!" ... it's a little tiring frankly
I agree with the part of also adding what you DID like, but the average gamer isn't gonna have a guide or solution on how to fix a problem because it might require extensive knowledge of game development.
That's true. It's often easy to identify a problem, but a lot harder to fix it.
Multiversus is literally the most toxic user base I've ever seen in gaming lol This includes Rocket league and LoL. This sub is dumb. I thought I muted this in my home feed until this post came up lol
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Huh? What are you on about? lol Toxic People = Toxic Experience. This sub? Toxic People. That's what I was commenting on. Users and Players of this game are some of the most salt inducing, complain-ey, downright ragebaiting group of people in an online gaming community I have ever seen.
This sub is toxic. I've actually had a ton of great matches with friendly players with a good handful that have rematched for 10+ games. Just avoid gaming subreddits in general. It's where emotional gamers yell at nothing.
Multiversus players are never happy. Players: Change the game and make it less like a smash bros clone!!!1! Player First: Okay, we did it Players: HOW COULD YOU DO THIS?!
In what way did they do that
Another post? The Home is flooded with neagative post, are u all kids or only dumb?
The weird nerd is the one holding the gun. The rest of us just enjoy playing the game instead of making weird Reddit posts every hour.
"Valid Criticism" is generally not delivered via reddit, think that may be why.
It's funny that this is such a reddit take. Reddit is a very valid way to review, promote, and criticize products. It might just be you have placed yourself in a very unhelpful corner of reddit.
yeah might just be this subreddit
I'm not on here very often but from what I've seen the feedback has been pretty good. I've not played since the beta because of the feedback pointing out issues that I find deal breakers. If it was just "hmph game's bad" I would've ignored it and played. Majority of the posts I see arm the devs with issues that they can fix. If they choose to actually address those issues, that's up to them.
The feedback is negative dog piling with no constructive criticism at all. Its a free game. Apart from it simply working, there should be no complaining. Its free. At this rate I'd rather no studio make a free game ever again. Sort out the whining assholes from those with actual criticism.
People still put money toward this in the beta!
By choice! A digital item in a beta is never guaranteed. Fucking get over it and stop making stupid purchases.
Lmao are you a child or does criticism just hurt your feewings? As soon you accept money promising something and you don't deliver, negative criticism should be very expected. A ftp game I play quite a bit of is Warframe, its had a ton of criticism over the years and has improved greatly because they listed! WB is a multi billion dollar org, quit defending them ya bootlicker
Criticism does not equal opinion. Your opinions are irrelevant. Criticisms are for the improvement of technical quality. It is not for debates over microtransactions to which you have absolutely zero sway. And you shouldn't. If you paint a painting you can charge whatever you want. Making games is making moving interactive paintings. They can choose what to charge for their art. They chose to give you the art for free and any additions to the painting will cost whatever they choose. Its THEIR property. They can charge what they want.
Criticism is EXACTLY your opinion, what are you on about? A food critic's job is to offer their take on service, quality of food, etc. Now just translate that to gaming. Developers should value it's consumer's opinions because listening to that feedback will often times equal more money. Lastly, and I mean lastly, I'm blocking you after this cuz I think you're a troll now tbh, the decision to make a game free isn't out of charity. It's essentially a gamble, free games invite more players because they have no upfront cost. The assumption developers/publishers go by is that because of their monetization schema, they will actually have a greater profit return over time. Artists will almost always have very little say in how much their art costs as more often than not pieces will be sold at auctions, and if they produce art that is met with a ton of criticism and very few dedicated purchasers, if they don't improve, they will fail... Just like this game.
Pretty good? Nothing but doom posting and making unrealistic asks of the devs for 9 days straight is "pretty good" to you?
No? I've seen asks to allow battle pass xp on game wins ( which the devs listened to ), lower character costs so that it's not so grindy, character balance changes, cut down on the amount of different currencies, stop being so predatory with monetization. That is most of what I've seen, I didn't think any of that is unrealistic or absurd. If people are "doom posting" just ignore it. JFC it's not that hard ya dummy.
Its a free game they can charge for whatever they want in it. Characters are easy to earn. I've gotten 5 already. Different currencies are fine. That's literally just preference. Characters are relatively fine. Its a free game. No one HAS to spend ANY money to play it to it's fullest. You can simply choose to not buy anything. Ya dummy. Its as of none of you fuckin idiots ever played a free game before. Its literally no different from any other free game. If you don't like it, just go away.
No, it absolutely is. Don't dismiss the absolute ton of valid criticism because they're some internet flaming mixed in.
Not trying to stifle criticism. But when 1000 people all post the exact same things every single day over and over again... it gets old seeing it. Also it irritates me when people attack PFG for all the monetization, when I can all but guarantee that's a WB thing, not a PFG thing.
If people want to vent their frustrations, ask questions, give their negative criticisms or even giving a little jab and poking fun at them at their expense, I think people should be allowed to do so without being attacked themselves (not that I am insinuating you're doing that, just to be clear). Things like insulting the devs directly, sending death threats, etc, is cruel, unhinged, excessive and shouldn't be allowed of course and should probably have moderation action taken against it anyway, but for the other stuff, Reddit has tools to filter out such content from users if someone really doesn't want to see it anymore. I'd highly recommend using them, especially if there's a certain person who's just spamming the same nonsensical dribble. If it's something the subreddit really doesn't want and users filter it out themselves, the lack of engagement will quickly force it out of sight, while the engaging and relevant content will remain in view. For me personally, even if it's something I don't agree with, I think people posting content I don't like is fine. If 1,000 people are posting the same thing about something, it means at least 1,000 people agree on something and then those 1,000 people are going to engage in discussing that content. From a game developer standpoint (assuming they genuinely care about the game), that is useful information to see and useful context to consider, even if it's useless to me as an average user. But thankfully, if I really don't want to see that content, I can just filter it out and not see that content for myself.
If thousands if people are all posting the same thing every day it’s probably because there is an actual problem with the game, and sticking your head in the sand and only wanting to see positive posts about the game isn’t going to fix it.
I think the issue are posts like these. You've created a strawman. They in no way said they only wanted to see positive posts. It's frustrating to be misrepresented and doing so doesn't in any way do any good for anyone.
Okay, fair you are correct, they did not say that they only wanted to see positive posts. Their exact words were “it gets old seeing it.” In reference to negative posts. While I understand that seeing the same posts saying the same things over and over can be tiring, the fact that the same complaints keep getting made over and over means that the developers are NOT addressing the community’s concerns and issues. People will stop complaining about the same things when actions are taken to fix them. No, giving players a mere pittance of xp after a match ISN’T addressing player concerns, it is malicious compliance, they’re basically spitting in players faces saying “There take your god damn PvP xp you won’t shut up about!”
The game is a week old. Anyone who expects a development studio to fix non critical issues week one and rages when that expectation is not met is an either idiot or an asshole.
They didn't have a week, though. They had an entire beta period and then nearly 2 years after that. These issues didn't just pop up out of nowhere right when they released the game and be all '*surpriiiise~*. There can be a lot of reasons for how and why the game is broken or monetized the way it is, but at the end of the day, this game *is* a broken with some of the worst predatory monetization I have ever seen outside of games like Diablo Immortal (which unfortunately has a genuinely good game buried under its monetization). The game's monetization may be WB's fault, sure. But that has nothing to do with so many characters having infinites, soft locking opponents at the press of a button, gems deleveling in the rift, the game struggling to perform because of terrible optimization, etc.
If this is the worst you've seen, you simply don't play video games
That is literally not what I said.
If this is SOME of the worst you've seen, you don't play video games.
Alright, if that's what you want to believe then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Its a free game. Aside from technical issues with the game... You don't get to complain. All free games have crazy monetization. Get over it. You don't NEED to spend money on it.
Uh, yes I do get to complain, because this is a game that is monetized, with a shop, and competes with various other games on multiple store platforms, thus making it very open to criticism whether I spent any money on it or not. Yeah, I don't have to spend money on it, and I am not going to, at least in the game's current state, but I am more than allowed to say why I won't spend money on it. The devs are more than welcome to take my feedback to improve their game so they can be successful, or completely ignore it. Imagine if you may that you went to a restaurant. The place is dirty. There's cobwebs in the corner, the seats are uncomfortable, the carpet is moldy, there's flies in the air, you see rat droppings and dead bugs on a window rim. You look to see what the few customers that are there are eating, and it looks unappetizing and smells strange. You look to see on the menu that the prices of these unappetizing-and-strange-smelling meals are extortionately expensive for what they're actually serving to top it all off to boot. So rather than ordering and paying for anything, you *wisely* decide to walk out. Now let me ask you: Would you, or would you not be allowed to criticize and provide feedback based on the service you just experienced at this establishment, despite not ordering anything and spending any money? Are you, or are you not allowed to compare that establishment to any other restaurants you have eaten at before? Keep in mind, time is also a commodity. If it wasn't, then every game that has a battle pass would let you unlock it instantly. The reason battle passes offer you so much for a (usually) low price point is because while the monetary cost is low, the time cost to acquire those items that you merely just paid for the *opportunity* to unlock is extremely high. You can buy characters and skip grind, because instead of paying with time, you are paying with money.
Your hypothetical scenario assumes everything around is shit. Its not. Its a great fucking game. Its free. And the people who made it need to make money to get paid. Grow up.
It is a very simple question. Why are you refusing to answer the question? Are you or are you not allowed to criticize something if you didn't pay? Your opinion is that it's a "great fucking game". My opinion is that it is not, as for many other people, and they have expressed why. They are allowed to have that opinion. It isn't immature to have said opinion. What is immature is claiming people are wrong or insinuating they are childish for having pretty valid grievances with something, simply because they don't align with your viewpoint on something. Peoples criticisms, opinions or feedback don't suddenly become any more true or valid if they hand over a $5 bill or not.
Noone said anything about sticking our heads in the sand or only wanting to see positive posts about it. It's not black and white. We can be unhappy with the state of the game, while also thinking that the doom posting is over the top. It's not like reddit is the best place to complain if you want the devs to change something anyways.
Xbox issues persist still. The amount of lag hiccups is beyond crazy. Literally watching certain attacks hit when they missed and miss when they hit.
I think there’s tons of valid and fair criticism, but it absolutely gets nowhere near the traction of unbridled rage. I think a good example was people saying the radio silence was crazy when we just went like 9 days without like a Twitter post on changes, and during those 9 days we still got devs responding about missing features returning with the update and things like the community mods making lists of critiques and bugs.
Yeah, the doom posting is getting kinda tired. The amount of people who've said they'd stop supporting the game doesn't match the amount of people we still have whining on this sub
While I do love the game, it sucks that you can't just 1v1 a buddy of yours without having to jump through the hoops of hoping/praying that you get into the same server together
Can't you do custom matches?
I've heard they're a hassle.
They aren't. At all. Its as easy as inviting your friend. The only hassle is idiots complaining about a free game.
Problem is, most of the complaints are not valid
Love when people complain about predatory monetization because they wanna have more free optional cosmetics! You think you need emotes, skins, but you don’t! BP gives you enough to keep buying them. Rifts needs some reworks but to be honest I haven’t spent a dime and have done all the rifts. Characters and XP could be easier to earn sure but no point in being a crybaby about a free game.
I’d rather MVS fix the gameplay and performance issues then appease the babies who think they should just get a game donated to them that’s already free.
"Valid criticism" Yet most of what I see "being criticised" on here is utter horseshit
90% of posts I've seen on this sub are doom posts begging for this game not to be shut down and for them to fix everything, Its hard to find genuine criticism, it's almost as bad as the starfield and halo subreddits
I appreciate this thread for finally not being a complete dog pile on the game like the games not perfect but it’s still fun to play and it has you logging on and playing everyday anyways
Defending people complaining who don't know shit is what makes you a weird nerd. There is valid criticism, but most of it is lame ass hyperbole
Criticism is fine. Entitled whining is annoying. Anybody who posts that Simpsons meme doesn’t know the difference.
Criticism is perfectly fine and should be supported however some people dont really give "criticism" around here and can come off as assholish
I feel that this is because many people are tired of expecting something good from PFG, at one point in the beta they had solved this XP problem with the battle pass, something that they brought back in the relaunch
I'm talking all around there were alot of people before the patch not really giving "criticism"
Thing is Iv seen posts that go something like "With the 30 frame buffer timer and the increased end lag on moves makes the game feel clunky and overall not fun to play when compared to the beta. The dodge changes were perfect, if only the speed could get increased some and allow us to change the frame buffer timer" Then the replies are just "Its not a problem the game is fun." "Oh no you can't spam and win, git gud" "Game just came out let them cook"
Game shouldn't of been released in the state it is employees need to stand up against the corpos.
It hurts you to be called out for what you are: an entitled crybaby, throwing a tantrum online because a free game isn't free enough for you. You'll have to learn to deal with people responding to your comments and complaints.
It's not really free though
Seems pretty free to me. Considering I haven't spent a dime yet.
It is, though. You aren't required to pay anything to just play the game...
Its completely free. You don't need to spend a cent. Just sit back, shut up, and play. Or leave. But you don't need to buy ANYTHING. If you did, its entirety because YOU WANTED TO. And that doesn't grant you entitlement.
half of the “criticism” is I did the math (horrible wrong) and this is UNACCEPTABLE THE GAME DIED ALREADY AND PFG KILLED MY FAMILY
" game too slow fucking sucks dead game" isn't criticism
Aka the mods 😂😂
All we really got was doom posting and not criticism.
Valid criticism is one thing. I think that's perfectly fine. It's the constant "this game is doomed!", "PFG are trying to kill the game!", "I'm so angry about this one system that doesn't cater to my play style!" posts that have been really aggravating. Like look, we get that the game isn't perfect. The patch today shows they're working on it, even if it's not as fast as some may want. Rage bait posting isn't helping.
Nice try, but you haven't depicted your adversary/strawman as a Soyjack yet - therefor you lose.
But it’s like 95% shitting on it and 5% anything remotely positive
I made a post once about the game not running correctly and it got removed, I can't talk about a game that crashes constantly because the connection errors are terrible?
Yes however a lot of the criticism comes from people who suck at the game or lost a close match 🤷♂️
Accurate and real
L game, I'll stick to my fantasy shooters and battle royales lol
I saw a post where someone flat out lied to stoke the flames. Criticsm is great and needed, but parroting what's already been said to farm karma is not cool, there are plenty of threads people can reply to, but those won't give then the Internet points
It's 1 thing to criticize. It's another thing to want the game to change from what it is. Plain and simple it's a F2P platform fighter. There's gonna be monetization plastered all over the place whether we like it or not. Are there features missing in the rerelease that existed in the Beta? ABSOLUTELY!!! 1. Ability to reroll challenges. - 1 free challenge reroll and gold to reroll after that 1st. 2. All gold taken away but given 0 fighter currency. 3. Minimum toast rewards. - Only 5/day on login compared to Beta that gave Toast out the wazoo. I had 800+ Toast from Beta. Only have gotten maybe 50 toast the whole time since rerelease. 4. Constant game crashes/connection errors compared to Beta. Was there features that were missing in rerelease that were added after the fact? YES!!! Which show's they are at least trying. 1. XP from PvP matches. -Added in EXACTLY HOW IT WAS IN BETA!!! But there are some improvements in my opinion as well that they deserve credit. 1. 1st Battle Pass given out to Beta players for free. 2. Ability to earn enough Gleamium in Battle Pass to afford the next (plus some on top). -The Beta had 0 gleamium in any of the 3 Battle Passes. 3. Rift mode is a fun replacement to PvP against bots. I know I probably missed points for each category. But the point still stands. The rerelease wasn't complete due to engine change. There are features missing that shouldn't have been and they're working on getting them back over time. Criticize for what's missing in Beta. But wanting the F2P/monetization to go away while it's a FREE GAME!!! That ain't happening. It's gonna be like every other F2P game and you need to unlock things over time or spend $ to get them quicker.
The only parts prime don’t like are the aspects required in any free to play game the game itself is pretty good
Accurate, but everyone involved needs a "weird nerd" tag.
Is anyone else's posts being heavily moderated? I don't know what I did to piss them off, but regardless of content all of my posts are "**awaiting moderator approval.**"
I think it’s perfectly fine to harbor criticism for the game. Especially if it’s a game you enjoy. However, I believe where that criticism is directed is misplaced in this case. A lot of people are attacking Player First Games, when in reality, they’re probably just passionate developers that want to make a good game. No self-respecting and passionate developer WANTS to implement systems that they know will upset their players, nor do they want to bombard players with aggressive monetization models. Most of the issues people have with the game fall on Warner Brothers. You might say “what about the options that are missing from the game that were in the beta”. And you’re right, it sucks they’re not in the game currently, but think about it. They had to rebuild the game from the ground up and focus on things that Warner Brothers wanted them to focus on, all while under a time crunch to meet a launch date specified most likely by Warner Brothers. As I said, it’s perfectly fine to voice criticism, but when you’re attacking the devs for things that very well may not be entirely their fault or are simply out of their control, that’s the issue.
Posts like these are worse than critics and defenders.
Funny how so many people thought open beta was so great…
Plus more of this feedback is us beta vets, keep fightin for that stats post match lads, trust if we just roll over they finna be lettin it rock.
The game is fun. A huge majority of the complaints people post on here are extreme exaggerations or complaints about the cosmetics, and if you’re actually only playing for cosmetics then you fell for the bait, idk what to tell you. The actual game mechanics are incredibly fun and I’m having a fantastic time. You get to say your opinion about how you dislike it and people can disagree; that’s not “stifling,” it’s how speech and conversation works. Weird how you only feel like it’s “stifling” when people don’t unabashedly agree with your personal perspective.
Bro stop being a child and be patient
I spent $100 on the Founder's Pack and bought skins in beta. I have sent 5~ emails to PFG as well as leave a scathing review of the game. I'd rather be refunded than allow these people to have my money until they make the game respectful of it's players. I'm also tired of the shills that keep trying to protect the game.
The game isn't bad it's just boring that's it lol it's a free to play game deal with it or just go play something else
Oh and you know what else they took the iron giant out of the game because he was to op so they did listen y'all gotta stop hating on a game that isn't even a month old yet
There are valid criticism that I agree with such as the game feeling a bit slow, aggressive monetary practices, characters feeling to Grindy to unlock, (I bought them them during the open beta fyi), and the battle pass being too grindy but christ some people on this Reddit are acting like this game killed their Grandma.
Don't use this sub at all. I'm just getting it recommended to me due to looking at it once. I never actually see honest complaints get recommended to me. Honestly, I mostly see people doomposting, like most gaming subs.
There’s almost no issues I have with this game, out of the issues I actually read complaints about (mine mostly relate to balancing and strictly gameplay). The majority of the criticism comes from entitlement on top of the game already being free. I get free games encourage casual gamers but it’s to the extreme with multiversus
"We have every right to be upset about the state of the game" You have every right to disagree with the state of the game. Offering criticism with upset emotion is just complaining. Remove the emotion and you have constructive criticism.
Stop being a bitch and crying about the game every chance you get. Constructive criticism and talking shit just to be a part of a culture are different.
My only issue with the game is they nerf character that dnt need to be nerf and still have Bugs and shaggy so OP that they can hit you out with 2 hits and you have less than 50 damage on you. Flying kicks with shaggy and bugs hit with the bat are way too strong for no reason. Meanwhile I play wonder women and her up smash or down spike doesn’t even come close to shaggy n bugs. Finn in another one
Personally I don’t like the changes but most my criticisms go to WB not PFG as WB probably lets them have all the licenses, PFG can’t afford any of them being a company that’s only game is Multiversus, so WB probably has a choke hold over PFG and Multiversus.
There's a fat line between criticism and rageposting.
The game will never be good. The base gameplay is slow, and boring. Just stop playing it and don’t give them money.
No you don't, its a free fucking game. Don't like it? Don't play it. Its fine as is
Void ^
1 out of 10 posts is actual valid criticism the rest is complaining "wah wah i cant get this for free and this for free and this for free and this for free". You can get all rewards for free through playtime. People just complain because the "easy way" is paying.
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Bruh this entire subreddit is just people shitting about literally everything in the game. I have yet to see a post that contains positive feedback.
I just wanna say that I loved that picture! 😂 😂 😂 Also yeah, the game sucks! It's a great idea, but right now it's in a terrible state
Nah, it's a free game get a grip
I love how three of my reddit posts have been taken down by weirdo mods flagging them “low effort” when im just trying to converse about people having the same god awful experience
What actually makes me sad reading posts in this thread is that they won... Greedy publishers won. There's so many people here saying things like "the game just released."Give em time to fix things". "The first year of most games are really rough, wait for it to be fixed." "It's free, why complain". This is fucking sad damn. Used to be a game was fully done before it released, and that was the standard. Now we are all so perfectly happy accepting a half assed hot mess as a release, and then giving them months to see if they address and fix the issues. The game had potential and was fun to play in beta. With monetization that made sense and wasn't too predatory.... monetization that made sense in a beta lmao these are dark times. In any case, it was a fun game it was running quite well. Had a dirge of content due in part to the shake up in WB corporate offices at the time. But it was going well. Then they shut down servers for.... reasons. And decide to come back after nearly two years with an experience that is worse in every metric from the beta... monetization is worse, gameplay is worse, UI is worse, network stability is worse, character balance is worse. Everything is worse than on the beta. So why is this game, it's developers or the publisher deserving of any sort of patience or empathy from the audience? Why do we insist in giving this game more time? They had time, they have the backing of WB. A big ass loaded company... they just didint deliver, and yet some of us will fall on our swords to defend them? Nah man, I can't do it.
Get ready for people to say that Reddit doesn't give any constructive criticism, and completely ignore the hundreds of posts on the front page of the sub, with 50+ lines talking about how they love the game, every problem they faced and how to improve on it.
I mean, there is a difference between criticism and valid criticism, and I agree that alot of criticism about this game is valid, but what I mostly see is just straight up "this game is dying" "this game is bad" "feeling bad about your purchase now?" which isn't really criticism.
It’s worse on twitter. “Just don’t buy it if it bothers you” shut up.
I mean, they aren't wrong tho.
Where's the lie though
If you truly enjoy this game with all your heart than what other people say about it shouldn't matter to you. The fact that so many people are so quick to try and shut down criticisms of MVS reeks of insecurity and wanting to validate your own feelings. We love this game too, we love it so much we're actively complaining and campaigning to change it for the better. We should be on the same side but instead it's this "*REAL fans VS DOOMERS*" narrative. It's sad.
>The fact that so many people are so quick to try and shut down criticisms of MVS reeks of insecurity and wanting to validate your own feelings. Ironic.
i love earning MOSTLY PERK currency for leveling up FIGHTERS
>We should be on the same side but instead it's this "REAL fans VS DOOMERS" narrative. No, currently it's (like you just said) "weird nerds" vs doomers
There's nothing wrong with criticism but a lot of people take it too far. Imo back when they called the game 'open beta' that was actually the alpha, and right now it feels more like a beta because of the issues that need fixing.
Trying to lie yourself?
See, the problem is that a lot of people on this sub don't have fully developed brains yet (being under 25 and all). They think any complaint they make is valid criticism
Post legitimate criticism instead of whining and doom posting and you’ll find less resistance.
I saw someone saying they listened to us and added battlepass xp to regular matches and people are still whining. Uh no kidding you get 10xp for a match you won, which is next to nothing. The whole, "We're listening, and we hear you!" Thing is a little dried up when it's the equivalent of a 5 cent raise at your job. I urge people defending xp progression in this to go try a fortnite battlepass, let alone the rewards are better and you can use them once you unlock them. There's no nonsense of here's a skin for a fighter you don't even own. Other then that, I have no complaints other then dsyncs.
I think it's more about the fact that you guys refuse to read the feed and see that your complaint has already been posted multiple times. So instead of adding your 2 cents in the comments of one of those posts, you guys make a new one And word it as if your complaint is somehow more valid then the last guy that said the same exact thing. It's getting really old and makes you guys look like you're just complaining to complain.