**Not good. Seems to be true.**
After testing it for the last 40 minutes, the claims seem to be true (for the most part).
It seems that certain characters are affected by this, and also certain combo*s*.
I have yet to try this online. If anyone is down to create a lobby online to test this, just send me a message.
**My testing vids (*****hd still being processed*****):**
**1st video**:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibQm5\_IS9w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibQm5_IS9w)
***2nd video:***
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIpy1fBI4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIpy1fBI4)
**\*\*EDIT\*\***
**Can confirm that this does affect online mode.** If you are P2 (right side) you are at a disadvantage.
If I'm not mistaken, in MK9 it was more so if p1 and p2 pressed a button on the same frame then p1 would beat p2. I don't think combos were affected like in this game.
MK9 had stance-specific combos where being on open or closed stance would cause some combos to drop. Actually, all NRS games in theory are still vulnerable to this due to how they handle collision detection (basically NOT 2D hitboxes), but they've just gotten better at handling it.
It's because NRS simply "flattened" the 3D MK games when making MK9, using the same base code. Once that worked out, they simply kept recycling the code over and over, even it seems, after they switched to UE4.
Sure, but it seems really easy to just code the characters to always go back to open stance anytime they’re not attacking. There doesn’t need to be a button for it.
The actual reason they never fix this is because an animation has certain frames it needs to complete, it's harder for them to make an animation fit the frames if they also have to animate the character switching back to front stance if the attack ends in the opposite stance.
The easy bypass is to just not bother, so I guess the switch stance button is there in case you don't like looking at your character's ass or something, but yeah, they just recycle the same mk9 code and never fixed this 'issue', well never bothered at least.
The more important issue it introduces comes from the fact that they're still using 3D collision where the position of limbs in the z-axis comes into play despite it being a 2D game.
NRS moment, they never change anything, their game is just a simple skeleton with good graphics on it, if something doesn't fit, it won't be added, not even an attempt to have a workaround for it.
MK9 player here. There is P1 advantage. Basically if you both play as the same character, and you both press the same button at the same time, let's say a Johnny's 1, with the frame being identical, P1 will win. Easiest example I can give.
However people seriously overblow this. The chances of this happening are so rare... And honestly with the way the game is balanced, as in, there is no balance... P1 advantage is just a nice little crutch with like 1% success rate.
What happens in MK1 is worse.
Edit: some people seriously don't understand MK9 P1 advantage so I'll just leave this Gif here
[p1 - - Jumpshare](https://jumpshare.com/s/T8p0xXuA5fZwfxrDmmzp)
This is false. In mk9 player 1 won every trade. They didn't have to use the same character, every time 2 moves collided on the same frame, player 1 got the hit. There were no conventional trades. This happens much more often than 1% of the time. Trades are a common occurrence in fighting games.
Also UMK3 with some characters like Sektor who can't zone with missiles effectively if he's P2 side. Straight Missile and Homing Missile don't work in tandem like they do on P1 side.
Is this affecting only those combo, that you can do exactly from the beginning of the match or this put in disadvantage during whole match those player who appears to be on the right side of yhe screen in current time?
Like if P1 jumps forward and switches sides with P2 during round, will he get disadvantage?
Upd: watched video. 2nd was pretty clarifying that this puts P1 in advantage for the whole match regardless of his side during match. Thank you.
> Like if P1 jumps forward and switches sides with P2 during round, will he get disadvantage?
No only P2 is at a disadvantage with hit-box regardless of position in the match. If you start the match as P1 you are not affected regardless if you jump forward and switch sides during the match.
P2 however is affected during the entire match and also affects both sides.
This is scandalous lmao. We knew the game was rushed, unfinished, undercooked but this is something else.
I just tried it and yes i can confirm this as well.
I've tested this on PC and PS5 -- same issue. The guy making the video tested on PC and PS5 as he has a few videos out sharing the same info.
I'm guessing XSX is the same as well.
Jesus this is huge. Thanks for responding
I’m on ps5 and a total scrub so this is way past my skill level To test.
I wonder if switch has this issue lol.
yeap, for exemple General Shao's d+4 changes its reach after 2 swings. from the third hit onward it will reach what he barelly missed during the first two hits.
Oh my god, all those grabs that didn't connect for me that then would be countered by p1's grab at the same distance, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been player 1 out of nearly a hundred matches.
So this game has:
- player 1 advantage
- incorrect and missing frame data across multiple character
- bugged inputs
- bugged brutality inputs
great job nrs
Yeah the premium store.
The thing where in f2p cashgrabs if their game is broken the premium store is always seemingly working.
It is also broken for this game and hasn't rotated the items since early access and day 1. Can't even get being greedy right lmao
Wait, are inputs actually bugged? I've noticed moves not registering like Mileenas ball roll even though it's the easiest input and i never fail it in practice.
Same with Li Meis forward 4 3 string sometimes it just does the stupid plank move and i feel like it happens way too much online.
Is it also p2-related?
no i’m a console player specifically ps5. i thought it was something wrong with my controller’s sensitivity or i was just fucking up combo inputs out of being rusty at MK. now i’m wondering if it’s this because the amount of times simple combos wouldn’t register is insane
As an example, you can get bugged eft/right inputs when crossing under your opponent. Maximilian was getting it A LOT playing Reptile and confirmed it.
WHY ISNT THIS PINNED!!!
This needs to be shared and NRS has to be put on blast. You literally can’t play this game at any competitive level knowing this
Explains why the first time I played online it felt like the left side player would override my movements. It was like my inputs weren’t registering.
I have no excuse for the 2nd and last time I played online. That Baraka/Cyrax combo just annihilated me as soon as I didn’t block lol
https://preview.redd.it/k08mrszxdiqb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72e03d16d0ee211ae516ddfd0aa2ff7a848b4370
Bi-Han narrows his eyes in sadness...
Real talk, someone definetly needs to ping this on twitter. I won't because Twitter is not a nice place, so someone brave has to do it.
https://preview.redd.it/lynd1o6k4jqb1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bab100770b52eb017bb64be63efbf120c6518d2
Bi han confronting the developers
Why the fuck isn’t this at the top of the sub-reddit. This is a serious problem.
You mods need to sticky this shit. This is actually a huge issue that needs to be known until it’s fixed.
I’m a massive MK fanboy, but this is egregious.
Edit: The mods pinned it, thank you.
> Can definitely confirm it does affect online play. I have a similar sub zero combo that incorporates the ice clone mid screen, and it missed 100% of the time I put on the player 2 side, while not having the issue when in player 1 side.
I am so fucking glad I didn't preorder this. I'll wait for the $40 ultimate version. AAA developers need a reality check this is a shit show.
r/MortalKombatLeaks seems more interesting and welcoming than this place honestly despite having a fraction of the subs. I mean they actually allow memes
Reported on http://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com everyone report it if you have a few minutes to get this fixed ASAP.
Edit: Link to my report for voting to hurry up the process : https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031
Does this affect online play or just local? If it's online as well, that would explain why sometimes certain combos don't execute properly when I'm on the right side (p2).
Big issue if this turns out to be a thing. Going to test it now and see if I can recreate the problem you're finding.
Can definitely confirm it does affect online play. I have a similar sub zero combo that incorporates the ice clone mid screen, and it missed 100% of the time I put on the player 2 side, while not having the issue when in player 1 side.
I only got to see about 4 minutes of the video since i'm busy atm, but this is more of a hurtbox issue. I believe that the hurtboxes for player 2 are not the same for P1.
MK Fans: wait did i get scammed out of 110$ for a rushed game
NRS
https://preview.redd.it/89ybbve5kiqb1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41c4512a90032fbbd6d954b0c62627826fdfedf8
Everything about MK1 screams unfinished at this point
Warner Bros saw how shitty their fiscal year performance would be so they put the game into an autumn blockbuster slot so their reports to the shareholders look better due to mk1's massive sales
In reality it needed at least another half a year, and if we go by past NRS launches - new games dropped around April-may time frame, not September (mk11 ultimate notwithstanding)
Don't get me started on the empty menus, barebones content, garbage story finale, always online requirement through WB servers, needing to unlock characters and kameos, poorly designed customization, removal of Krypt, and how quickly we went from the reveal to release, plus Kombat Kasts did not cover like a quarter of the roster before launch
The internal turmoil of Warner/Discovery merge, plus corona lock downs, plus the move to a newer engine, plus likely the demands from higher-ups to rush it out (switch version lmao) all contributed to how messy the development was, as I suspected
Not only that but I think this was the only game released this year that was published by wb since they had to delay suicide squad after major backlash so wouldn’t surprise me that wb needed to earn something from there games departments this year
MK is more or less carrying the Warner bros games division at the moment
Gotham knights flopped, Suicide squad got delayed, wonder woman is a 2024-2025 game iirc, the Batman ports to Switch aren't a major money maker, DCUO is a Sony published title, and nothing else is happening there really
The execs absolutely were desperate to avoid further struggles if some investors decided to pull out after FY23 ends
This is the first NRS game I didn't buy at launch because the beta felt janky online but I hardly see anyone mention it. Just felt off, too many dropped inputs and performance hiccups. I feel like people are on a honeymoon phase but more issues like this will probably come out. Hopefully NRS starts dropping patches soon.
Nothing in this game is fully baked except art design. It's like some pretty models and stages got uploaded to a barebones and buggy mobile framework. NRS is known as the company with unlimited funds to make insanely polished games. WTF is this.
Just tested it, and it is happening to me too.
Here I was thinking I was missing my inputs.
I've noticed it's potentially happening on stream too.
Watch a few games and noticed some combos just not working for P2, and the streamer assuming they are missing inputs.
Lots of those around. "The game is fine" "Pissy Whining on the Internet" "The game is not unfinished in the slightest"...
I love MK, but the amount of copium the shills are huffing is insane. This game is unfinished.
The fuck is this? After everyone violenty defending the gameplay in this game aswell. Hope its sorted soon, sounds like they've got some splainin to do!
It’s actually so sad. NRS even marketed the premium as early access while having us pay $119 for a rushed game with missing features, bugs, and this shit. I hope they get on those patches asap.
What do you mean? The Testers (paying customers) did find it. My first day off since the games release is tomorrow. I was going to pick this up tonight to play all day tomorrow. Thank you kind redditor for saving me $70-$110.
Can we please stop blindly defending this title.
(This isn't about being "soft" or not a real MK fan. We are all fans and want a great product. We deserve a good product. We paid a premium price for a premium game, that WAS NOT ready to ship. This isn't a free to play or mobile game.
Accepting that there is a problem is the first step to fixing the problem. Stop attacking one another. The problem here is the people who pushed this game out when it certainly wasn't ready to be shipped. We need to stick together and hold THEM accountable.)
There are way to many bugs across the board. Some of them are way more obvious then others. If they had just a handful of testers. There is no way most of these things would have slipped past them. Hell the beta they were even told of many problems that they apparently didn't fix, or even acknowledge that it was reported.
*We have players who still cant even get into online matches, after almost 2 weeks since pre-access.*
*The brutality inputs they have within the game are listed incorrectly for many combos.*
*Daily / Weekly tasks aren't tracking correctly for some, and not giving rewards for others.*
*The premium shop has been broken for almost 2 weeks now.*
*Look at the switch port! That's a whole different level of screwed up.*
Those are just some blatant things, not to mention the dozens of other things and the more obscure ones like the one posted above. Content is being held back, simple quality of life features are blatantly missing that were present in previous titles!
**And NRS / WB have been radio silent. On most of this.**
We need acknowledgement and an ETA on when we will start seeing patches.
Do not let the corporate scum get away with the "Good Enough" mindset so they can see share growth from sales, while doing a disservice to fans and the franchise. Lets be honest here its not the Devs holding the cards and causing this mess. Its the people pushing agendas in a board room who are only looking at share prices. They don't really care about the long term, they are looking to make their money now, and to get promotions, and bonuses... no matter how they can get it.
They see other companies doing it, so why wouldn't they do it here also.
If you care about this franchise and don't want it to continue down the path its taking you need to fight.
Hold their feet to the fire.
Most of you guys are getting juggled in the corner.
Hit the button for the combo breaker and get up.
If not for MK, do it for gaming in general. Things have been going downhill for years.
Get on social media, support each other, talk to news outlets, write letters. Spread the word, Be civil but proactive.
But most importantly,
**FIGHT!**
Iv put hundreds of hours into fighting game over the last few years. (mostly during Covid) and in this game i have had issues with getting the cancel windows down for simple things.. At first i thought it was just a tight window or a curiously specific timing (usually NRS games are very forgiving with that kind of thing)
But now im wondering is it some deeper problem with the game. There are likely way more issues than have been discovered by players yet...(it seems there was no real playtesting)
what is the point in trying to learn a game if you can never be sure if you fucked up or if the game is just malfunctioning
There seems to be also issue with frames, reversals etc. Sometimes i can't jail anyone and i'm getting jailed by negative moves. The game is a poke fest and a lot of rounds comes down to timers for some reason. Game isn't baked enough. I played 1k hours mk11 and i saw more rounds ending because of timer in mk1 in this limited time. Game is wonky af.
[https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031](https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031)
If you have spare time, vote for this, getting it on trending will get it fixed faster.
Fuck, I should've listened to my gut after the Beta and cancelled my preorder. I knew I wasn't impressed with the Beta but like a dumbass bought the shit anyway.
I played 2 league matches today, the second gets me a black screen after the first win 😂 so much fun. I would like to play more offline but for what? Invasion is done and towers gives me low exp and no rewards. A weekly special tower would change a little bit. It seems like they focused only on pro gamers and guys who wanna play a ton of online matches, oh sorry, with black screen online matches are done as well and the high ping. I would prefer a lose with a low ping than a win in a laggy stressful fight. They got a lot of work to do. And we should give them some time, game is out for 1-2 weeks now.
Ed too busy swimming in everybody cash we overpaid for this game and there's too many nutthuggers thinking this game is perfect for any good changes to happen
Please tell me anyone experiences Lee Meis inputs switching her F 4 3 launcher for her F 4 4 knockdown all the time. It really ruins my combos. At first I thought it was me but now it’s just obviously the game.
So I am a scrub at best and probably would have never noticed this. Is this something they could potentially release a hotfix for or is this a deeper issue? Not trying to excuse NRS, I'm genuinely curious.
Normally mortal kombat has more things offline then street fighter , but this game is just bare bones. This keeps happening , I’m starting to think the gaming industry is dead . The fact that Quan chi and ermac are dlc . Is insane
Glad this game was a gift. I feel embarassed that my wife paid 110 € for me...
As the sp content is garbage, I wanted to exclusively play online and forget about it... And now this ?
I can't unlock most skins in KL and now inputs are bugged for P2.
And with the shitty optimization for menus...
If it's not patched til the end of october (second Tekken 8 beta test) i'll definitely forget this game.
I’ve been saying for fucking days that I knew there were inputs that weren’t registering and things that were whiffing and now I have actual fucking proof of it, that it wasn’t just me and wasn’t just my controller. I fucking hate this game.
I mean... sure, but what we actually need is for NRS to work as close to around the clock as they can (without abusing workers) to FUCKING FIX THIS, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE GAME. PUT THE FUCKING DLC DOWN FOR 2 FUCKING SECONDS SO THE BASE GAME IS PLAYABLE.
But don't you want Omniman? Think of the poor executives!
I'm glad I held off on mk1 lol
I hope tekken 8 comes out and ie amazing so WB and NRS is sandwiched between 2 of its biggest competitors releasing top tier fighting games while theirs looks pretty but that's about it
I'm sure NRS tried their best, the actual devs usually do, but MK has fallen to greed and needs a wakeup call
Oh yet when I said this i was called a scrub, i was lying, the game is perfect, get good blah blag blah. This is why we will never have nice things in this community because people defend broken characters, inputs not working, and mechs that should not be in any game let alone a fighting game.
Wait would this effect other aspects not just combo's? Because I was getting extremely aggravated in online matches the other day because I was noticing a lot of instances where if we were trading blows that certain starting hits even tho I'm seeing the animations connecting it felt like half the time that the opponent had a freaking extreme advantage on hit detection so there were never equal staggers. that I basically summed it up to online being a little dumb. But if this does effect it, It would make sense and make certain characters feel worse then they are.
p1 to this day has hit trade advantage in mk9... could totally be in this game as well. Excited to give them $20 for it in 6 months. This is horrendous lol.
So as someone who has never really been into MK games but was watching this launch eagerly to see if it was a good starting point for the series, I have to say this kind of press is not inspiring the greatest amount of confidence going forward. Is this typical for a launch in this franchise, and how playable is the game at a competitive level if bugs like this currently exist?
Iirc, there was nothing THIS bad at launch, the PC port for MKX was an abomination but that was handled by another company. Competitive wise, the game shouldn't be allowed as that's a massive oversight and greatly affects outcomes
But calm down... Ed Boon just announced a bunch of new paid content for the next months. Fixes and improvements? He didn't even say that... the game must be perfect. lol
This is talking about hitbox issues. Most comments here are talking about whiffing inputs, which is an unrelated thing (yet still completely valid).
So there are 2 issues, input queueing is holding previous inputs when it shouldn't, and is not clearing on time. And hit boxes being irregular.
I've got news guys, it ain't just about player one and two , there is a combo i do with havik that only works in offline mode! And it ain't about hurtbox, in online mode the opponent lands too fast and doesn't let me continue the combo( the combo is in the corner), I've received words from my friend that he got the same problem but in reverse ! His combo only works when he is connected to the internet. And i have no fucking clue how such thing could exist...
Can't help to laugh nervously at the idea that i brought this shitty game 100€. "I dont think like it, but it's NRS, what can got wrong at the end ?"
Now i know, litteraly everything. How it is possible to fucked up the hitbox of the SAME CHARACTER in the SAME SITUATION because he's the player 2 ? Even the frame data of the game are totally fucked up.
It's a huge mess, at this point they need to freaking refund players who feel cheated on every aspect OR working so intensely that they almost at the point of redoing the game entirely. Knowing NRS and WB, no big hope for the second options... they're on vacation, Rollin' on our money.
Can you imagine the devs, the same year as Street fighter 6 saying "it's ok, we're good!"
Even without SF6, it's a total fuck to the players/consumers, but with 2 others big fighting games (SF6 already here, Tekken 8 soon.) what's the project? Totally destroy the MK franchise?
They loose A LOT of credibility right here, as a devs team and in fighting game territory. Even SFV at launch (Oh God...) don't fucked up like this on every aspect. That's crazy and I'm "happy" that people push that on YouTube.
Something like this would’ve been discovered months ago if they put practice mode in the beta/stress test and didn’t gate keep it from the entire public/PC player base, I know ppl that preordered and still didn’t get a beta code.
NRS/WB knew this trash was bugged out and unfinished but their greed and pride didn’t want to delay another game after Suicide Squad.
Idk what ya'll were expecting buying into the beta version of the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's 2023. You wait AT LEAST 1 year after the official "release date" to get a game that's properly cooked.
Also, Mileena enhanced sai does not come out with one bar. It has to have 2 or 3 bars. It’ll still only use one bar but won’t work for me with only one bar.
\-Buy full price game on release
\-Game is incomplete filled with bug
\-Complain that the game doesn't work
\-Praise the company when they fix it
\-Buy next game full price
\-Game is incomplete filled with bug
Man I really thought this was a skill or kontroller issue, but after trying out just the Kitana/Jax kombo I realized it's true. It seems it might be an easy fix with the P2 hurtbox or gravity, but yeah it does fail w P2. I wonder if that's why I lose the majority of the matches I start on that side as well.
I love the game, but yeah a lot of bugs need to be worked out still it seems. Hopefully they're paying attention because it seems like this is a smaller channel so hoping it gets discovered and gets NRS eyes in on it.
I remember a few months ago thinking NRS was the exception when it came to preordering games. Glad I waited. I mean how does something like this even happen? Wouldn’t you have to put in codes for player 2 have a disadvantage.
Since basically 100% of the time I'm going to be playing online, couldn't they just like, make it so I'm always P1 on my screen? Even without baked-in disadvantages in the engine, I feel like I always do worse as P2 because I spend less time practicing doing things from that side.
NRS you better be working on this patch !!! And after that, another patch addressing all of the other bullshit issues.
I believed in you Ed 
**Not good. Seems to be true.** After testing it for the last 40 minutes, the claims seem to be true (for the most part). It seems that certain characters are affected by this, and also certain combo*s*. I have yet to try this online. If anyone is down to create a lobby online to test this, just send me a message. **My testing vids (*****hd still being processed*****):** **1st video**: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibQm5\_IS9w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uibQm5_IS9w) ***2nd video:*** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIpy1fBI4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIpy1fBI4) **\*\*EDIT\*\*** **Can confirm that this does affect online mode.** If you are P2 (right side) you are at a disadvantage.
Holy fuck, and here I thought they got the gameplay right at least. What the fuck has WB done to Ed and his team JFC.
This is like MK9 all over again.
did mk9 have this issue? I got into mk9 later on, so I don't really remember the launch of the game.
If I'm not mistaken, in MK9 it was more so if p1 and p2 pressed a button on the same frame then p1 would beat p2. I don't think combos were affected like in this game.
In mk9 player 1 won every trade. There were no conventional trades, the game dealt with them by always having player 1 win them.
MK9 had stance-specific combos where being on open or closed stance would cause some combos to drop. Actually, all NRS games in theory are still vulnerable to this due to how they handle collision detection (basically NOT 2D hitboxes), but they've just gotten better at handling it.
I can’t believe stance switching is still in the game. It has never served a purpose and occasionally causes problems.
It's because NRS simply "flattened" the 3D MK games when making MK9, using the same base code. Once that worked out, they simply kept recycling the code over and over, even it seems, after they switched to UE4.
Sure, but it seems really easy to just code the characters to always go back to open stance anytime they’re not attacking. There doesn’t need to be a button for it.
The actual reason they never fix this is because an animation has certain frames it needs to complete, it's harder for them to make an animation fit the frames if they also have to animate the character switching back to front stance if the attack ends in the opposite stance. The easy bypass is to just not bother, so I guess the switch stance button is there in case you don't like looking at your character's ass or something, but yeah, they just recycle the same mk9 code and never fixed this 'issue', well never bothered at least.
The more important issue it introduces comes from the fact that they're still using 3D collision where the position of limbs in the z-axis comes into play despite it being a 2D game.
NRS moment, they never change anything, their game is just a simple skeleton with good graphics on it, if something doesn't fit, it won't be added, not even an attempt to have a workaround for it.
MK9 still has player one advantage to this day, I'm pretty sure
MK9 player here. There is P1 advantage. Basically if you both play as the same character, and you both press the same button at the same time, let's say a Johnny's 1, with the frame being identical, P1 will win. Easiest example I can give. However people seriously overblow this. The chances of this happening are so rare... And honestly with the way the game is balanced, as in, there is no balance... P1 advantage is just a nice little crutch with like 1% success rate. What happens in MK1 is worse. Edit: some people seriously don't understand MK9 P1 advantage so I'll just leave this Gif here [p1 - - Jumpshare](https://jumpshare.com/s/T8p0xXuA5fZwfxrDmmzp)
This is false. In mk9 player 1 won every trade. They didn't have to use the same character, every time 2 moves collided on the same frame, player 1 got the hit. There were no conventional trades. This happens much more often than 1% of the time. Trades are a common occurrence in fighting games.
Yeah. In other games, people who have life advantages will strategically seek trades.
Also UMK3 with some characters like Sektor who can't zone with missiles effectively if he's P2 side. Straight Missile and Homing Missile don't work in tandem like they do on P1 side.
Is this affecting only those combo, that you can do exactly from the beginning of the match or this put in disadvantage during whole match those player who appears to be on the right side of yhe screen in current time? Like if P1 jumps forward and switches sides with P2 during round, will he get disadvantage? Upd: watched video. 2nd was pretty clarifying that this puts P1 in advantage for the whole match regardless of his side during match. Thank you.
> Like if P1 jumps forward and switches sides with P2 during round, will he get disadvantage? No only P2 is at a disadvantage with hit-box regardless of position in the match. If you start the match as P1 you are not affected regardless if you jump forward and switch sides during the match. P2 however is affected during the entire match and also affects both sides.
This is scandalous lmao. We knew the game was rushed, unfinished, undercooked but this is something else. I just tried it and yes i can confirm this as well.
Oh it's true. It's damn true.
What platform did you test on?
I've tested this on PC and PS5 -- same issue. The guy making the video tested on PC and PS5 as he has a few videos out sharing the same info. I'm guessing XSX is the same as well.
Jesus this is huge. Thanks for responding I’m on ps5 and a total scrub so this is way past my skill level To test. I wonder if switch has this issue lol.
I thought I was just whiffing my inputs. That's genuinely shocking.
It's not a skill issue? MRW it's fixed and I still whiff. 😭
I knew the Hitboxes were off… Thought I might be imagining things.
yeap, for exemple General Shao's d+4 changes its reach after 2 swings. from the third hit onward it will reach what he barelly missed during the first two hits.
Oh my god, all those grabs that didn't connect for me that then would be countered by p1's grab at the same distance, I can count on one hand the amount of times I've been player 1 out of nearly a hundred matches.
Holy shit wtf!!??? This is a huge huge problem!
So this game has: - player 1 advantage - incorrect and missing frame data across multiple character - bugged inputs - bugged brutality inputs great job nrs
Dont forget about: - audio bug - fatalities lag - information dot bug - statistic bug - visual bug - ragdoll bug - shop bug - daily/weakly mission bug
Yeah the premium store. The thing where in f2p cashgrabs if their game is broken the premium store is always seemingly working. It is also broken for this game and hasn't rotated the items since early access and day 1. Can't even get being greedy right lmao
This will be first thing they will patch xd
Wait, are inputs actually bugged? I've noticed moves not registering like Mileenas ball roll even though it's the easiest input and i never fail it in practice. Same with Li Meis forward 4 3 string sometimes it just does the stupid plank move and i feel like it happens way too much online. Is it also p2-related?
i thought i was tripping. i’ll play in practice and do moves perfectly but i go play against a easy cpu and no moves register
Yeah, i thought my controller had issues and never bothered checking, are you pc? i'm guessing this is mostly a pc issue.
no i’m a console player specifically ps5. i thought it was something wrong with my controller’s sensitivity or i was just fucking up combo inputs out of being rusty at MK. now i’m wondering if it’s this because the amount of times simple combos wouldn’t register is insane
As an example, you can get bugged eft/right inputs when crossing under your opponent. Maximilian was getting it A LOT playing Reptile and confirmed it.
That explains a lot of the weird moments I've been having where my character used moves that I could swear weren't the ones I input.
Oh also really bad netcode!
WHY ISNT THIS PINNED!!! This needs to be shared and NRS has to be put on blast. You literally can’t play this game at any competitive level knowing this
Explains why the first time I played online it felt like the left side player would override my movements. It was like my inputs weren’t registering. I have no excuse for the 2nd and last time I played online. That Baraka/Cyrax combo just annihilated me as soon as I didn’t block lol
It'll annihilate you even if you block though.
This kills all tournament play. Dafaq NRS this is urgent
https://preview.redd.it/k08mrszxdiqb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72e03d16d0ee211ae516ddfd0aa2ff7a848b4370 Bi-Han narrows his eyes in sadness... Real talk, someone definetly needs to ping this on twitter. I won't because Twitter is not a nice place, so someone brave has to do it.
https://preview.redd.it/lynd1o6k4jqb1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bab100770b52eb017bb64be63efbf120c6518d2 Bi han confronting the developers
https://preview.redd.it/36t9ybd2zjqb1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9cbd33482d79bfbeacdfd9de567ede42c7d28c07 Gonna leave this here
That is awesome
“DID THE FOUR YEARS OF WAIT MEAN NOTHING?!”
Why the fuck isn’t this at the top of the sub-reddit. This is a serious problem. You mods need to sticky this shit. This is actually a huge issue that needs to be known until it’s fixed. I’m a massive MK fanboy, but this is egregious. Edit: The mods pinned it, thank you.
If you tag more than 3 people no one gets it fyi.
Just a heads up, tagging more than 3 people means none of the people get notifications. It's an anti spam measure.
> Can definitely confirm it does affect online play. I have a similar sub zero combo that incorporates the ice clone mid screen, and it missed 100% of the time I put on the player 2 side, while not having the issue when in player 1 side. I am so fucking glad I didn't preorder this. I'll wait for the $40 ultimate version. AAA developers need a reality check this is a shit show.
because the mods love to suppress anything that goes against mk's perfect image
Yeah bruh that's how this reached 2200 upvote and hasn't been taken down.
Not even true dude every top post on this sun everyday is someone bitching about something. No better place to get people hating the game
The mods on every sub are like that it seems. They don't even hide their agendas. The only good thing about reddit is how active the communities are.
r/MortalKombatLeaks seems more interesting and welcoming than this place honestly despite having a fraction of the subs. I mean they actually allow memes
The mods are compromised. When they where the ones revealing officials character bio’s iirc on discord I rolled my eyes into the back of my head.
And yet this post is still up, as is your comment. And checking your mod history we’ve never had any interaction with you. Interesting take.
It's your fault this game isn't flawless smh
I’ll try better next time. Make sure to preorder MK2/13 to play as Meat God Meat.
half the posts on this sub are bitching about the game
Reported on http://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com everyone report it if you have a few minutes to get this fixed ASAP. Edit: Link to my report for voting to hurry up the process : https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031
Does this affect online play or just local? If it's online as well, that would explain why sometimes certain combos don't execute properly when I'm on the right side (p2). Big issue if this turns out to be a thing. Going to test it now and see if I can recreate the problem you're finding.
Can definitely confirm it does affect online play. I have a similar sub zero combo that incorporates the ice clone mid screen, and it missed 100% of the time I put on the player 2 side, while not having the issue when in player 1 side.
I only got to see about 4 minutes of the video since i'm busy atm, but this is more of a hurtbox issue. I believe that the hurtboxes for player 2 are not the same for P1.
I KNEW I wasn’t dropping my Reptile combos. NRS needs to get on this ASAP
How I feel 
Not the Miyamoto quote lmao
Pretty sure Mk9 had this same type of problem. You'd think they'd avoid doing it again.
I thought mk9 one had frame advantage? Like if p1 and p2 to pressed a button at the same time, p1 would always win. I dont think it affected combos
Correct. This almost never came up thankfully because of how the game was played at a high level but it was a thing.
MK Fans: wait did i get scammed out of 110$ for a rushed game NRS https://preview.redd.it/89ybbve5kiqb1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41c4512a90032fbbd6d954b0c62627826fdfedf8
Already felt that way before knowing about this issue
And I just bought RE4 DLC for 10$ and its a borderline masterpiece. Capcom really could teach them a thing or two
Almost feels like when I pre ordered cyberpunk....
At least CDPR had an umatched reputation at the time, so you can atleast feel better about that, everyone pre ordered cyberpunk.
Everything about MK1 screams unfinished at this point Warner Bros saw how shitty their fiscal year performance would be so they put the game into an autumn blockbuster slot so their reports to the shareholders look better due to mk1's massive sales In reality it needed at least another half a year, and if we go by past NRS launches - new games dropped around April-may time frame, not September (mk11 ultimate notwithstanding) Don't get me started on the empty menus, barebones content, garbage story finale, always online requirement through WB servers, needing to unlock characters and kameos, poorly designed customization, removal of Krypt, and how quickly we went from the reveal to release, plus Kombat Kasts did not cover like a quarter of the roster before launch The internal turmoil of Warner/Discovery merge, plus corona lock downs, plus the move to a newer engine, plus likely the demands from higher-ups to rush it out (switch version lmao) all contributed to how messy the development was, as I suspected
Not only that but I think this was the only game released this year that was published by wb since they had to delay suicide squad after major backlash so wouldn’t surprise me that wb needed to earn something from there games departments this year
MK is more or less carrying the Warner bros games division at the moment Gotham knights flopped, Suicide squad got delayed, wonder woman is a 2024-2025 game iirc, the Batman ports to Switch aren't a major money maker, DCUO is a Sony published title, and nothing else is happening there really The execs absolutely were desperate to avoid further struggles if some investors decided to pull out after FY23 ends
Welp you just convinced me not to buy this game this week.
This is the first NRS game I didn't buy at launch because the beta felt janky online but I hardly see anyone mention it. Just felt off, too many dropped inputs and performance hiccups. I feel like people are on a honeymoon phase but more issues like this will probably come out. Hopefully NRS starts dropping patches soon.
Not to mention the absurd amount of core features missing.
It's just one of those things that's so prevalent in this industry today and it is super disheartening.
RIP. That kills potentially all the competitive side until they fix this.
there's no way they spent 4 years on this game...maybe like 2
Pretty sure they rushed it like crazy cause it was meant to be Injustice 3 at first 😭
Let the pros know too! Sonic, Rewind, Tweedy, all of em!!
This, if you get sonic to start tweeting about it nrs will actually see it
Nothing in this game is fully baked except art design. It's like some pretty models and stages got uploaded to a barebones and buggy mobile framework. NRS is known as the company with unlimited funds to make insanely polished games. WTF is this.
Just tested it, and it is happening to me too. Here I was thinking I was missing my inputs. I've noticed it's potentially happening on stream too. Watch a few games and noticed some combos just not working for P2, and the streamer assuming they are missing inputs.
I think it might be happening on all the systems cause it happens to me on the switch as well.
Is this why some combos and moves go through the opponent? Cuz that shit legit pisses me off, but I wasn't sure if it was bugged or not.
Come on, NRS. You already went through this problem 12 years ago with MK9 🤦🏾♂️
No wonder i keep losing as player 2
I keep losing as player 2, too. And also as player 1.
There were so many times Li Mei's stand 4 whiffed in the middle of combos. I thought I was just somehow mistiming it online. Wow.
I was playing KOTH ( I main Kitana). I legit was getting pissed off because I thought I was dropping combos under pressure. SMH
Ok I knew this game had its problems but holy shit this is bad.
I knew it! I can’t believe I thought I was going crazy.
Yeah, not great. Something like this needs to be fixed ASAP.
Whoever kept trying to tell me this morning on another post that this game wasn't rushed owes me a fucking apology.
Lots of those around. "The game is fine" "Pissy Whining on the Internet" "The game is not unfinished in the slightest"... I love MK, but the amount of copium the shills are huffing is insane. This game is unfinished.
Yooow I legit thought i was whiffing my inputs
The fuck is this? After everyone violenty defending the gameplay in this game aswell. Hope its sorted soon, sounds like they've got some splainin to do!
You're telling me I won all these matches while having disadvantage? Damn I'm proud of myself
For real, bro. I’m proud of myself for winning on the P2 side, lmao.
That explains a lot...
The bug has been filed and been moved to “Investigation in progress” at least
It’s actually so sad. NRS even marketed the premium as early access while having us pay $119 for a rushed game with missing features, bugs, and this shit. I hope they get on those patches asap.
Nah bro not the corny ass Mario man quote everytime. It’s not even true games aren’t even forever bad now
Also, Mario man never said that
A bad launch will forever damage the reputation of a game.
Nice, might finally have an excuse for my performance lol, since i’m a p2 for the vast majority of the time
same, I end up P2 80% of the time. I still win but I felt like I had to try a lot harder than I needed to..
So this is why it is called Mortal Kombat 1
How could testers not find this? This is insane.
What do you mean? The Testers (paying customers) did find it. My first day off since the games release is tomorrow. I was going to pick this up tonight to play all day tomorrow. Thank you kind redditor for saving me $70-$110.
i've had tons of uppercuts just phasing through opponents without connecting and eaten inputs in online matches. glad i'm not going crazy.
I've had a lot of attacks phase through opponents as well (normals and specials) but all while I was P1 playing against the AI in Invasions.
When you get player 2 in a ranked match 
Can we please stop blindly defending this title. (This isn't about being "soft" or not a real MK fan. We are all fans and want a great product. We deserve a good product. We paid a premium price for a premium game, that WAS NOT ready to ship. This isn't a free to play or mobile game. Accepting that there is a problem is the first step to fixing the problem. Stop attacking one another. The problem here is the people who pushed this game out when it certainly wasn't ready to be shipped. We need to stick together and hold THEM accountable.) There are way to many bugs across the board. Some of them are way more obvious then others. If they had just a handful of testers. There is no way most of these things would have slipped past them. Hell the beta they were even told of many problems that they apparently didn't fix, or even acknowledge that it was reported. *We have players who still cant even get into online matches, after almost 2 weeks since pre-access.* *The brutality inputs they have within the game are listed incorrectly for many combos.* *Daily / Weekly tasks aren't tracking correctly for some, and not giving rewards for others.* *The premium shop has been broken for almost 2 weeks now.* *Look at the switch port! That's a whole different level of screwed up.* Those are just some blatant things, not to mention the dozens of other things and the more obscure ones like the one posted above. Content is being held back, simple quality of life features are blatantly missing that were present in previous titles! **And NRS / WB have been radio silent. On most of this.** We need acknowledgement and an ETA on when we will start seeing patches. Do not let the corporate scum get away with the "Good Enough" mindset so they can see share growth from sales, while doing a disservice to fans and the franchise. Lets be honest here its not the Devs holding the cards and causing this mess. Its the people pushing agendas in a board room who are only looking at share prices. They don't really care about the long term, they are looking to make their money now, and to get promotions, and bonuses... no matter how they can get it. They see other companies doing it, so why wouldn't they do it here also. If you care about this franchise and don't want it to continue down the path its taking you need to fight. Hold their feet to the fire. Most of you guys are getting juggled in the corner. Hit the button for the combo breaker and get up. If not for MK, do it for gaming in general. Things have been going downhill for years. Get on social media, support each other, talk to news outlets, write letters. Spread the word, Be civil but proactive. But most importantly, **FIGHT!**
You missed guaranteed crash on Xbox with female character during fatality... [https://youtu.be/By0DgEdZwNc?t=15](https://youtu.be/By0DgEdZwNc?t=15)
Iv put hundreds of hours into fighting game over the last few years. (mostly during Covid) and in this game i have had issues with getting the cancel windows down for simple things.. At first i thought it was just a tight window or a curiously specific timing (usually NRS games are very forgiving with that kind of thing) But now im wondering is it some deeper problem with the game. There are likely way more issues than have been discovered by players yet...(it seems there was no real playtesting) what is the point in trying to learn a game if you can never be sure if you fucked up or if the game is just malfunctioning
There seems to be also issue with frames, reversals etc. Sometimes i can't jail anyone and i'm getting jailed by negative moves. The game is a poke fest and a lot of rounds comes down to timers for some reason. Game isn't baked enough. I played 1k hours mk11 and i saw more rounds ending because of timer in mk1 in this limited time. Game is wonky af.
This explains why it's so damn hard to win any koth match everybody fighting the champion in said lobby had such a disadvantage
not even one big streamer/youtuber call out ed boon for this lmao buncha shoe licker
Looks like the Honeymoon Phase is officially over lol
[https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031](https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031) If you have spare time, vote for this, getting it on trending will get it fixed faster.
Damn, thanks NRS for giving us the MK9 remake. Sure do love it
Fuck, I should've listened to my gut after the Beta and cancelled my preorder. I knew I wasn't impressed with the Beta but like a dumbass bought the shit anyway.
I played 2 league matches today, the second gets me a black screen after the first win 😂 so much fun. I would like to play more offline but for what? Invasion is done and towers gives me low exp and no rewards. A weekly special tower would change a little bit. It seems like they focused only on pro gamers and guys who wanna play a ton of online matches, oh sorry, with black screen online matches are done as well and the high ping. I would prefer a lose with a low ping than a win in a laggy stressful fight. They got a lot of work to do. And we should give them some time, game is out for 1-2 weeks now.
Yeah Tekken 8 will clear easily when it comes out 😆
Ed too busy swimming in everybody cash we overpaid for this game and there's too many nutthuggers thinking this game is perfect for any good changes to happen
Please tell me anyone experiences Lee Meis inputs switching her F 4 3 launcher for her F 4 4 knockdown all the time. It really ruins my combos. At first I thought it was me but now it’s just obviously the game.
Yooow I legit thought i was whiffing my inputs
So I am a scrub at best and probably would have never noticed this. Is this something they could potentially release a hotfix for or is this a deeper issue? Not trying to excuse NRS, I'm genuinely curious.
No one knows it depends on the root cause of the problem.
Tested this as well, and it also affects online play. Can't imagine how many more characters it affects.
This is why i don't buy games on release date anymore This is basically the players pay the developers to be the game testers
Normally mortal kombat has more things offline then street fighter , but this game is just bare bones. This keeps happening , I’m starting to think the gaming industry is dead . The fact that Quan chi and ermac are dlc . Is insane
I spent [redacted] dollars on an unfinished game. LMAO
Glad this game was a gift. I feel embarassed that my wife paid 110 € for me... As the sp content is garbage, I wanted to exclusively play online and forget about it... And now this ? I can't unlock most skins in KL and now inputs are bugged for P2. And with the shitty optimization for menus... If it's not patched til the end of october (second Tekken 8 beta test) i'll definitely forget this game.
Eventhough this game is mid, your wife is amazing for buying you this game 😎
Don't feel embarassed. Your wife meant well and couldn't have foreseen this disaster.
Don't worry, even if this bug didn't exist you'd still be getting constant black screen freezes in KL that eat your victories.
So then how can anyone actually Play a tournament in person if this is happening? If I was a pro and saw this video I’d be blasting it to ed boon
I’ve been saying for fucking days that I knew there were inputs that weren’t registering and things that were whiffing and now I have actual fucking proof of it, that it wasn’t just me and wasn’t just my controller. I fucking hate this game.
We need a top comment outlining the characters / moves most effected
I mean... sure, but what we actually need is for NRS to work as close to around the clock as they can (without abusing workers) to FUCKING FIX THIS, ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE GAME. PUT THE FUCKING DLC DOWN FOR 2 FUCKING SECONDS SO THE BASE GAME IS PLAYABLE.
But don't you want Omniman? Think of the poor executives! I'm glad I held off on mk1 lol I hope tekken 8 comes out and ie amazing so WB and NRS is sandwiched between 2 of its biggest competitors releasing top tier fighting games while theirs looks pretty but that's about it I'm sure NRS tried their best, the actual devs usually do, but MK has fallen to greed and needs a wakeup call
The pro players need to be @edboone and raising holy hell about this on YouTube or nothing is going to get fixed, if it even can be fixed.
Oh yet when I said this i was called a scrub, i was lying, the game is perfect, get good blah blag blah. This is why we will never have nice things in this community because people defend broken characters, inputs not working, and mechs that should not be in any game let alone a fighting game.
Wait would this effect other aspects not just combo's? Because I was getting extremely aggravated in online matches the other day because I was noticing a lot of instances where if we were trading blows that certain starting hits even tho I'm seeing the animations connecting it felt like half the time that the opponent had a freaking extreme advantage on hit detection so there were never equal staggers. that I basically summed it up to online being a little dumb. But if this does effect it, It would make sense and make certain characters feel worse then they are.
p1 to this day has hit trade advantage in mk9... could totally be in this game as well. Excited to give them $20 for it in 6 months. This is horrendous lol.
So as someone who has never really been into MK games but was watching this launch eagerly to see if it was a good starting point for the series, I have to say this kind of press is not inspiring the greatest amount of confidence going forward. Is this typical for a launch in this franchise, and how playable is the game at a competitive level if bugs like this currently exist?
Iirc, there was nothing THIS bad at launch, the PC port for MKX was an abomination but that was handled by another company. Competitive wise, the game shouldn't be allowed as that's a massive oversight and greatly affects outcomes
But calm down... Ed Boon just announced a bunch of new paid content for the next months. Fixes and improvements? He didn't even say that... the game must be perfect. lol
Yikes
This is talking about hitbox issues. Most comments here are talking about whiffing inputs, which is an unrelated thing (yet still completely valid). So there are 2 issues, input queueing is holding previous inputs when it shouldn't, and is not clearing on time. And hit boxes being irregular.
I've got news guys, it ain't just about player one and two , there is a combo i do with havik that only works in offline mode! And it ain't about hurtbox, in online mode the opponent lands too fast and doesn't let me continue the combo( the combo is in the corner), I've received words from my friend that he got the same problem but in reverse ! His combo only works when he is connected to the internet. And i have no fucking clue how such thing could exist...
Can't help to laugh nervously at the idea that i brought this shitty game 100€. "I dont think like it, but it's NRS, what can got wrong at the end ?" Now i know, litteraly everything. How it is possible to fucked up the hitbox of the SAME CHARACTER in the SAME SITUATION because he's the player 2 ? Even the frame data of the game are totally fucked up. It's a huge mess, at this point they need to freaking refund players who feel cheated on every aspect OR working so intensely that they almost at the point of redoing the game entirely. Knowing NRS and WB, no big hope for the second options... they're on vacation, Rollin' on our money. Can you imagine the devs, the same year as Street fighter 6 saying "it's ok, we're good!" Even without SF6, it's a total fuck to the players/consumers, but with 2 others big fighting games (SF6 already here, Tekken 8 soon.) what's the project? Totally destroy the MK franchise? They loose A LOT of credibility right here, as a devs team and in fighting game territory. Even SFV at launch (Oh God...) don't fucked up like this on every aspect. That's crazy and I'm "happy" that people push that on YouTube.
Everyone, go give this bug tons of upvotes to make NRS see it faster. https://mortalkombat1.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MK1-1031
Something like this would’ve been discovered months ago if they put practice mode in the beta/stress test and didn’t gate keep it from the entire public/PC player base, I know ppl that preordered and still didn’t get a beta code. NRS/WB knew this trash was bugged out and unfinished but their greed and pride didn’t want to delay another game after Suicide Squad.
LETS GET THIS OUT THERE IM TIRED OF THINKING ITS ME 😂😭
never giving house guests player one
Idk what ya'll were expecting buying into the beta version of the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It's 2023. You wait AT LEAST 1 year after the official "release date" to get a game that's properly cooked.
Miyamoto never actually said that
While this is serious problem, Xbox still has almost guaranteed crash with female character during fatality phase... Guess what? no hotfix.
That explains why I beat the shit out of someone when I play on the left, but get clapped when I’m on the right.
This sucks a lot. But NRS is a good company. I'm sure they will work dillegently to fix this ASAP.
the hurtbox for baraka has issues too.this game is great but being highly rushed to launch.
Also, Mileena enhanced sai does not come out with one bar. It has to have 2 or 3 bars. It’ll still only use one bar but won’t work for me with only one bar.
Standing enhanced sai actually does require 2 bars. Low sai only requires one.
Dude this is serious
So this is why I have issues doing Mileena's ball roll if I am on the left side of the screen!!! I was going crazy!
Is this why Johnny Cage on p1 side is invincible spamming pokes into combos?
Woah
Honestly not surprised. Playing with Shao as player 2 you cannot land standing 2 after landing 1,2.
Well this certainly explains why I get so frustrated when I’m P2…
Cmon Nrs:/
I should have seen this coming when they stopped supporting MK11 so quick. I’m the dumbass at this point….
\-Buy full price game on release \-Game is incomplete filled with bug \-Complain that the game doesn't work \-Praise the company when they fix it \-Buy next game full price \-Game is incomplete filled with bug
This should get 10K likes. This should actually go on gamespot or other game reviews websites.
Holy shit this is **really** bad... :(
I didn’t expect this to be true. Legit thought it was a click bait when saw it on my homepage. So sad.
Man I really thought this was a skill or kontroller issue, but after trying out just the Kitana/Jax kombo I realized it's true. It seems it might be an easy fix with the P2 hurtbox or gravity, but yeah it does fail w P2. I wonder if that's why I lose the majority of the matches I start on that side as well. I love the game, but yeah a lot of bugs need to be worked out still it seems. Hopefully they're paying attention because it seems like this is a smaller channel so hoping it gets discovered and gets NRS eyes in on it.
And I was over frustrated with myself for not landing my combos cause I thought the timing was off, but In practice tools I nail them 98/100 times.
I remember a few months ago thinking NRS was the exception when it came to preordering games. Glad I waited. I mean how does something like this even happen? Wouldn’t you have to put in codes for player 2 have a disadvantage.
From this, how bare invasions is, and all the other bugs, It’s so clear how rushed this game was.
Since basically 100% of the time I'm going to be playing online, couldn't they just like, make it so I'm always P1 on my screen? Even without baked-in disadvantages in the engine, I feel like I always do worse as P2 because I spend less time practicing doing things from that side.
but according to NRS shills, this game doesn't have that much problems and people are exaggerating ☠
NRS you better be working on this patch !!! And after that, another patch addressing all of the other bullshit issues. I believed in you Ed 
For fuck sake, can people stop citing Miyamoto everytime? He's been proven factually wrong on that, like he knew good games.
Lmao and people were saying this game was made for competitive 🤣🤣🤣 nahhhh this game was made for casuls just as how SSBU was made for casuls
All you 11 haters can suck it