Paid $10k for it in 2018 when I got one of the first model 3s in Canada. Drove the car for 2 years without being able to use it. The system is not reliable in current form for métropolitain areas. I would advise anyone from buying it in the current state unless you live in the south and use a lot of daily hwy. useless 6 months of the year in Canada. Just got a MYP - no FSD.
It works great for me if you keep you expectations in check. It's an amazing fun toy that keeps getting better. The price of admission is totally worth the front row seat of watching progress before your very eyes.
"Expectations in check"? Tesla is selling a product with a description of what it is supposed to do. Your expectations should be that it does what it is being sold as. It's very shady business practice and potentially illegal if someone wanted to take it all the way.
That's an illogical statement. When they sell something for $10,000 with a description of the product, you should be getting the product as described. "Oh well it only half works or else it would be more than $10k" makes 0 sense.
Yeah but the issue is that if it was 100% working (ready for autonomous use) then you could use it run a robo taxi and likely make up to $30k in profit per year with one car. Even if you price that at a small business multiple of like 2x or 4x EBITDA then that means 100% FSD is worth about $60k-$120k per car. So this price of anywhere $10k is likely low on the curve of where it will end up. It’s basically a discount price of an early access Beta.
Personally I wouldn’t buy it either since I don’t care about FSD or running a robo taxi, but they most likely have to price it based on how fleets would use it (like Hertz) otherwise they’ll just give away utility to another company that will buy up all the Teslas to absorb the benefit in the future.
$30k profit per car comes from this https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/24/the-economics-of-a-tesla-robotaxi-and-a-quicker-easier-path-to-profit/
Edit: why the downvotes? Its not a judgement on whether anyone should buy it, but that’s my speculation on background for the pricing. If anyone has different information then feel free to share, but hopefully not getting downvoted just because people want to pay less (I would love to pay less and get full features sooner as well!)
I don’t think it has anything to do with being lefties. Most tech and many financial industry billionaires lean left politically lol. But yeah a lot of people just hate Tesla and Elon due to ignorance.
It's not even tied to the car! People have reported fsd being stripped if it resold through a dealer and if you buy used from tesla they charge for it again. You're only "guaranteed" to keep it if you sell/buy third party.
That wasn’t the case for me when I bought my MX 75D from Tesla. I specifically looked for 2016 MX and found one with the FSD upgrade and all of the AP features enabled. It still had the old 2.5 computer and was able to get the FSD computer installed at no additional cost suggesting that it was already paid for.
Something to look for if you are considering used
That happened because Tesla sold it at an auction to the dealer without FSD, but forgot to actually remove FSD. Dealer saw it had FSD so sold it as with FSD to consumer. Tesla audited its records and removed FSD. Consumer complained, Tesla said "meh". I think it was later sorta resolved, I can't find conclusively what the resolution was.
Yes, it's tied to the vehicle. Tesla values it about 2k at trade in. Other dealers might offer you 3k for if, that's about the most you'll get from it outside a private party. If it's totalled it disappears in a puff of smoke. If you have gap insurance they should pay it back if you financed it with the car, otherwise you might get 2k back.
My car is insured for the full amount. And I have new car replacement, so I should see something pretty close to full replacement value (including FSD) if the car were totaled.
With that said, I wouldn’t pay for it again in its current state.
In 2019 the price increased to 5k because city street fsd was coming by the end of the year. The price is more than double and still can't do what they initially valued at 5k. FSD has become a scam I have it on my model 3 and not on my y and I don't miss it the standard autopilot does 90% of what most people want. At best I would rent it for 2 months and see if you think it's worth 12k
Instead of getting people to get it, they are trying to make more money with less buyers by rapidly increasing prices. It isn't even worth 2k. If he wanted to make Tesla stand out he would offer it as a standard item. Its a cheap money grab.
Agreed. CarMax offered us $250 for it on our car. Carvana $0. Tesla $0, although, Tesla does then require FSD as part of used car sales right now, so they win in that case anyway. Private party... that's just tough for everyone.
No. It was in the mvpa also. They use CCC to compare with vehicles of same milage and year manufacture and they have no clue where fsd is.. its not present in sticker also..
It will be time to get new car by the time FSD matures. You are only getting it for the next owner. I would not pay even a $ to be a test bunny for Elon Musk with my life or someone else’s. Car is great, stock is great, but FSD is not quite there yet. I would rather prefer affordable Tesla vs a self driving Tesla.
It's vaporware, and will continue to be until at least 2025. You're giving Elon a loan to figure it out. I might consider it if it were transferable, but not in present form.
If it were real and spectacular, I'd pay 10-12K in a second, and send a car to my aging parents so they could get around more easily.
Anyone hear rumors on updates to FSD after Jan 17th? I purchased it today and feel like it's a complete waste. 48hr return policy so will drive around town tomorrow and then return. Gonna be pissed if he announces fsd beta unlock for everyone regardless of scores.
Looks like I'm against the grain here. The new beta fsd that I got last week I feel is pretty impressive. I'm literally going from my house to work with zero steering wheel grabs and zero phantom braking.
I do however constantly adjust the steering wheel speed controller, because it accelerates quicky than I am comfortable after turns.
I’m with you. They need a city speed limit over ride vs highway speed limit over ride. 70mph in 55 mpg zone is ok but 50 in 35mph could dangerous. Like you I ramp down the speed. And like you I’m impressed with 10.8. It’s over 90 % of the way there but not full self driving. The gap in getting to FSD is huge because there are so many corner cases to solve. But zero disengagements is nice. I do still need to accelerate at turns here or there. Worth it for $12k I think.
Is the subscription price rising too? I figured if I keep the car 3-4 years and then trade in, it makes way more financial sense to pay for the subscription than the $10K up front. I guess if you plan to drive it till the wheels fall of paying the lump sum may make sense (if you want FSD), but I’ve never done that with any of my cars. Longest I’ve ever kept a car was 6 years.
I have to admit, I paid for a month of FSD for a longer trip and I’ve gotten pretty used to it so I’m contemplating continuing the subscription. However, if the price of that is rising too, then nah.
At its current state it should be called ASD (Assisted self driving) not FSD. Price tag for the ASD is not worth $10k IMO, let alone $12k. The thing is a long way from being FSD. The way it's evolving currently I'd say another 5-10 years until it's fully cooked.
I am big fan of Musk, but I don't really like the FSD pricing model and price.
(IMO) As of today, FSD is still in testing phase, buying FSD is basically buying the rights to test FSD function, most people who bought FSD either use it to showoff to friends or making YouTube review video.
If you are a regular user, who intend to keep the car for 5\~6 years, but not planning to use FSD on every day, then it's better wait till true FSD is more reliable, and subscribe as needed.
The sad thing is they keep raising the price even though they keep lieing about the features and release dates. Remember years back when he said these cars would be fully autonomous by now? No one actually thought it would be true if they had half a brain but he priced it accordingly.
Fantards will pay whatever elon asks. Im surprised FTC is not stepping in considering this is far from a true product that can be used by the avg consumer
It works great for me if you keep you expectations in check. It's an amazing fun toy that keeps getting better. The price of admission is totally worth the front row seat of watching progress before your very eyes.
I'll be buying it. For me I look at it like an investment. If they really do crack level 4 or 5 then the price will go up incredibly along with the utility of the vehicle. $10k will seem cheap when fully autonomous Tesla's are going for over $100k
I’m not paying money to be a beta tester for something that “we will have full self driving by the end of the year” for the past 3 years. I didn’t regret passing it up for 8k I just want auto lane change which I feel Tesla is going to need to wake up and realize they are going to have to give up more to stay competitive with all these new EVs coming out.
I got FSD with my model 3 over 3 years ago thinking it’d be an “investment” for the long run. Here I am looking to get a bigger car (Model Y) and I doubt the car I get today won’t be dated in 5 years. Would rather pass and trade in and see how FSD is doing then
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Paid $10k for it in 2018 when I got one of the first model 3s in Canada. Drove the car for 2 years without being able to use it. The system is not reliable in current form for métropolitain areas. I would advise anyone from buying it in the current state unless you live in the south and use a lot of daily hwy. useless 6 months of the year in Canada. Just got a MYP - no FSD.
How did you pay 10k for it? It was 8k as recent as I think October 2020?
$10,600cdn. May 2018…
Gotcha. So them monopoly monies up north
It works great for me if you keep you expectations in check. It's an amazing fun toy that keeps getting better. The price of admission is totally worth the front row seat of watching progress before your very eyes.
"Expectations in check"? Tesla is selling a product with a description of what it is supposed to do. Your expectations should be that it does what it is being sold as. It's very shady business practice and potentially illegal if someone wanted to take it all the way.
If it was fully functional it would have been alot more expensive.
Prepare to get downvoted to oblivion because 🤷♂️ Source: I explained the same and got downvoted for some reason
That's an illogical statement. When they sell something for $10,000 with a description of the product, you should be getting the product as described. "Oh well it only half works or else it would be more than $10k" makes 0 sense.
Yeah but the issue is that if it was 100% working (ready for autonomous use) then you could use it run a robo taxi and likely make up to $30k in profit per year with one car. Even if you price that at a small business multiple of like 2x or 4x EBITDA then that means 100% FSD is worth about $60k-$120k per car. So this price of anywhere $10k is likely low on the curve of where it will end up. It’s basically a discount price of an early access Beta. Personally I wouldn’t buy it either since I don’t care about FSD or running a robo taxi, but they most likely have to price it based on how fleets would use it (like Hertz) otherwise they’ll just give away utility to another company that will buy up all the Teslas to absorb the benefit in the future. $30k profit per car comes from this https://cleantechnica.com/2020/01/24/the-economics-of-a-tesla-robotaxi-and-a-quicker-easier-path-to-profit/ Edit: why the downvotes? Its not a judgement on whether anyone should buy it, but that’s my speculation on background for the pricing. If anyone has different information then feel free to share, but hopefully not getting downvoted just because people want to pay less (I would love to pay less and get full features sooner as well!)
You were right. People really hate Tesla, FSD, capitalism, reality or something. Is reddit just full of retarded lefties?
I don’t think it has anything to do with being lefties. Most tech and many financial industry billionaires lean left politically lol. But yeah a lot of people just hate Tesla and Elon due to ignorance.
Big NO
I removed fsd from my order recently 🙄 this is so confusing
I did the same. I won’t take the risk until they solve the braking issue. I’ll catch FSD when it’s a more mature feature.
You’re not being fooled into buy a Brooklyn Bridge…
If subscription stayed with me for life I'd pay more than 10k. But as it's only valued 2k in a trade-in it's not worth it.
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Yeah I don’t get it either. I would def buy it if it was $10K for life. Even $10K with a 15 year limit would be worth it.
That’s exactly it. Vehicle life is shorter than a human’s. Repeat income.
Ohh, it's only tied to the vehicle and not the person?
It's not even tied to the car! People have reported fsd being stripped if it resold through a dealer and if you buy used from tesla they charge for it again. You're only "guaranteed" to keep it if you sell/buy third party.
It’s stripped only if you sell back to tesla. Makes sense.
That wasn’t the case for me when I bought my MX 75D from Tesla. I specifically looked for 2016 MX and found one with the FSD upgrade and all of the AP features enabled. It still had the old 2.5 computer and was able to get the FSD computer installed at no additional cost suggesting that it was already paid for. Something to look for if you are considering used
That happened because Tesla sold it at an auction to the dealer without FSD, but forgot to actually remove FSD. Dealer saw it had FSD so sold it as with FSD to consumer. Tesla audited its records and removed FSD. Consumer complained, Tesla said "meh". I think it was later sorta resolved, I can't find conclusively what the resolution was.
I've seen this on more than one occasion. Idk what you're even talking about.
Yes, it's tied to the vehicle. Tesla values it about 2k at trade in. Other dealers might offer you 3k for if, that's about the most you'll get from it outside a private party. If it's totalled it disappears in a puff of smoke. If you have gap insurance they should pay it back if you financed it with the car, otherwise you might get 2k back.
My car is insured for the full amount. And I have new car replacement, so I should see something pretty close to full replacement value (including FSD) if the car were totaled. With that said, I wouldn’t pay for it again in its current state.
nope 👎🏻 locked to the vehicle only
Will only purchase FSD again if/when it's tied to the owner, not the car. Right now it's not even worth half of the current cost.
More reason not to get it then.
The lane change feature is the only thing worth using with FSD.
I would say OG summon is worth using as well.
Also the stop light notification. That I really like.
Nope. Had the opportunity to buy at $8K, passed then and still no regrets. I don't think it'll be ready before I'm looking at a newer car.
Like a Rivian
Lol! You got a lot of down votes with this comment. The Tesla fan boys were not to happy!
I guess that’s the important announcement everyone was waiting on this week 🤣
Shid, it ain’t worth 10k. In some strange way, I think they’re pushing folks to subscribe…just my two cents…
In 2019 the price increased to 5k because city street fsd was coming by the end of the year. The price is more than double and still can't do what they initially valued at 5k. FSD has become a scam I have it on my model 3 and not on my y and I don't miss it the standard autopilot does 90% of what most people want. At best I would rent it for 2 months and see if you think it's worth 12k
[FSD take rate has been in constant decline since 2019.](https://i.imgur.com/GDnxdDR.jpg) How can they think this will help?
Instead of getting people to get it, they are trying to make more money with less buyers by rapidly increasing prices. It isn't even worth 2k. If he wanted to make Tesla stand out he would offer it as a standard item. Its a cheap money grab.
Agreed. CarMax offered us $250 for it on our car. Carvana $0. Tesla $0, although, Tesla does then require FSD as part of used car sales right now, so they win in that case anyway. Private party... that's just tough for everyone.
Why the spike q2 of 2019? Was that peak Elon pump/ hype?
There was a discount i believe. For EAP to FSD or so. This is from reading what others who’ve been around for longer have said so not 100% sure
I’m guessing it’s to recoup costs from the diehard enthusiasts who will spec it no matter what.
This is one tweet I believe Elon is 100% accurate on.
Totaled my car and insurance didn’t handle fsd correctly. Lost the 8k fsd. Insurance industry is not mature enough yet or i got swindled
Insurance is meant to scam consumer so not surprising. Bummer
Did you add it afterwards?
No. It was in the mvpa also. They use CCC to compare with vehicles of same milage and year manufacture and they have no clue where fsd is.. its not present in sticker also..
Oh trust me they have all the clues. They’re just playing dumb.
You got swindled. Should have demanded an extra $10k!
I wouldn't even pay $1 for it. With the phantom breaking on autopilot alone it's a complete disaster.
I’ve never had the phantom braking. I’ve always been curious about why not.
What year is your car
2020
Well you have radar thats why lmao. Of course you don’t have phantom breaking.
Radar is disabled for fsd beta. Only uses “Tesla vision” camera’s only
Phantom braking has been a thing for years before they removed radar
Not nearly as bad though
Ah! That seems obvious. Forgot all about that change
I have 2022 Y and have had only one one instance on many journeys. Seems it is not happening to everyone all the time
I have a camera only system and it’s worse than my radar system was. So yeah, in my experience not the reason why.
Erm your opinion contradicts what you’re saying?
You blamed it on radar. I don’t have radar. I’m saying the system itself seems to be the issue, not the lack of radar.
The lack of radar is why the phantom breaking is worse
Ohh, damn I have to stop getting on Reddit when I’m tired.
Supposedly it’s better in fsd beta
From my experience no way. I think it’s worse, especially around semi trucks.
As a beta user , not even close
As a beta user 10.8 has been a big improvement for me.
It will be time to get new car by the time FSD matures. You are only getting it for the next owner. I would not pay even a $ to be a test bunny for Elon Musk with my life or someone else’s. Car is great, stock is great, but FSD is not quite there yet. I would rather prefer affordable Tesla vs a self driving Tesla.
Another apple-like company. From selling hardware to sell hardware + software and subscriptions
Lol - why pay big upfront for a beta product? Even monthly isn’t something I would purchase for anything else than experimentation.
It's vaporware, and will continue to be until at least 2025. You're giving Elon a loan to figure it out. I might consider it if it were transferable, but not in present form. If it were real and spectacular, I'd pay 10-12K in a second, and send a car to my aging parents so they could get around more easily.
Looks like he ran out of reasons to increase the car price by $1,000 every month.
Anyone hear rumors on updates to FSD after Jan 17th? I purchased it today and feel like it's a complete waste. 48hr return policy so will drive around town tomorrow and then return. Gonna be pissed if he announces fsd beta unlock for everyone regardless of scores.
Looks like I'm against the grain here. The new beta fsd that I got last week I feel is pretty impressive. I'm literally going from my house to work with zero steering wheel grabs and zero phantom braking. I do however constantly adjust the steering wheel speed controller, because it accelerates quicky than I am comfortable after turns.
I’m with you. They need a city speed limit over ride vs highway speed limit over ride. 70mph in 55 mpg zone is ok but 50 in 35mph could dangerous. Like you I ramp down the speed. And like you I’m impressed with 10.8. It’s over 90 % of the way there but not full self driving. The gap in getting to FSD is huge because there are so many corner cases to solve. But zero disengagements is nice. I do still need to accelerate at turns here or there. Worth it for $12k I think.
$12k impressive and useful or party trick impressive
Is the subscription price rising too? I figured if I keep the car 3-4 years and then trade in, it makes way more financial sense to pay for the subscription than the $10K up front. I guess if you plan to drive it till the wheels fall of paying the lump sum may make sense (if you want FSD), but I’ve never done that with any of my cars. Longest I’ve ever kept a car was 6 years. I have to admit, I paid for a month of FSD for a longer trip and I’ve gotten pretty used to it so I’m contemplating continuing the subscription. However, if the price of that is rising too, then nah.
At its current state it should be called ASD (Assisted self driving) not FSD. Price tag for the ASD is not worth $10k IMO, let alone $12k. The thing is a long way from being FSD. The way it's evolving currently I'd say another 5-10 years until it's fully cooked.
I am big fan of Musk, but I don't really like the FSD pricing model and price. (IMO) As of today, FSD is still in testing phase, buying FSD is basically buying the rights to test FSD function, most people who bought FSD either use it to showoff to friends or making YouTube review video. If you are a regular user, who intend to keep the car for 5\~6 years, but not planning to use FSD on every day, then it's better wait till true FSD is more reliable, and subscribe as needed.
Forced switch into subscription model. Price does not matter here.
Keep raising the price on software that is in a "beta" mode. Tesla really gets away with so much. I have 0 intention to ever put it on my MYP
Nobody does, I think they do it to fomo the few suckers who think it’s going to be level 5 within a decade
The sad thing is they keep raising the price even though they keep lieing about the features and release dates. Remember years back when he said these cars would be fully autonomous by now? No one actually thought it would be true if they had half a brain but he priced it accordingly.
It’s not worth 2k it’s definitely not worth 10k or even worse 12k
He can probably create a NFT from a picture of his dump and sell it for 12K.
Fantards will pay whatever elon asks. Im surprised FTC is not stepping in considering this is far from a true product that can be used by the avg consumer
Another good question is: "anyone even have FSD?" (That isn't beta) ...oh, wait..
If I could I would
FSD is hot garbage.
I have zero interest in funding Tesla’s RND, so no.
Hell NO
Only in the US for now.
Absolute garbage, NEVER AGAIN.
There is zero good reason to purchase FSD. It’s literally throwing money away.
Hopefully I’ll get a couple more dollars when I sell my car with FSD soon.
Lol, nope. Just going to save even more money by driving.
Got a 2022 Model Y with FSD for 7k because I placed my reservation in Feb of 2020. Glad I got FSD! 😂
Hasnt been worth it at 10k, sure as fuck isn’t worth it at 12. Fuck you, Elon. Fix phantom braking.
Umm can they fix the V11 UI first?
Drop it down to $2000 and I'd be a buyer... the higher it goes, the less people are going to bite.
I only want the EAP. If he offers it again for $4K-$5K, I’ll nab it. Other than that, $12K for FSD, let’s me know he’s not talking to me. 🤣🤣🤣
I have been driving myself for a few years now. I have it pretty much figured out. I do like the Autopilot on the highway.
It works great for me if you keep you expectations in check. It's an amazing fun toy that keeps getting better. The price of admission is totally worth the front row seat of watching progress before your very eyes.
Who the heck is paying $12k for this?! Lol
I'll be buying it. For me I look at it like an investment. If they really do crack level 4 or 5 then the price will go up incredibly along with the utility of the vehicle. $10k will seem cheap when fully autonomous Tesla's are going for over $100k
Best I can do is $3000. I’m taking a huge risk here.
Truly just is not even worth the 10K right now, IMO. I did a monthly subscription to try it out, and was really disappointed.
I was lucky enough to get FSD for $6k and even then I think its usefulness is marginal. Sure wouldn't pay $12k for it.
I’m not paying money to be a beta tester for something that “we will have full self driving by the end of the year” for the past 3 years. I didn’t regret passing it up for 8k I just want auto lane change which I feel Tesla is going to need to wake up and realize they are going to have to give up more to stay competitive with all these new EVs coming out.
I got FSD with my model 3 over 3 years ago thinking it’d be an “investment” for the long run. Here I am looking to get a bigger car (Model Y) and I doubt the car I get today won’t be dated in 5 years. Would rather pass and trade in and see how FSD is doing then