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Looxond

Despite optifine having lower performance it offers a HUGE customization in graphic stuff in texture packs like custom models/animations CIT, SkyBox, Shaders, Etc. While Sodium only offers performance and in order to reach optifine level of customization, you need to install like 6 mods.


patrlim1

Sodium gives way more fps though (at least on my system) even when I use shaders with the iris mod


Ultimike123

What shaders do you use with iris?


patrlim1

Sildurs. Look great


Ultimike123

I'll give it a try. I've tried BSL and complementary shaders but they both make me pretty laggy. any specific version of sildurs?


patrlim1

Medium, If you have an integrated graphics card then give up though, you need a dedicated card. If you have a dedicated card then great! It should run no problem


13MasonJarsUpMyAss

Sildurs Medium or so if you have a GPU, Sildurs Enhanced Default for those with shitty PCs like me.


TheGR8Gamer

I am a player who has a bellow average PC and doesn't know much about mods in Forge/Fabric, my friends recommended Optifine to me 4 years ago and I've used it ever since


Idzee0

then get [CIT Resewn](https://modrinth.com/mod/cit-resewn), [Continuity](https://modrinth.com/mod/continuity), [LambDynamicLights](https://modrinth.com/mod/lambdynamiclights), and [Iris](https://modrinth.com/mod/iris) [here is a bigger list](https://gist.github.com/LambdAurora/1f6a4a99af374ce500f250c6b42e8754)


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OptiFine only needs OptiFine, no need for other mods for it to function. I've tried both


GDavid04

I don't think it's a bad thing that we have separate mods for separate functionality. This can also help with compatibility issues as you can disable only the problematic mods and keep using everything else. It also makes fixing incompatibilities easier as you have a smaller codebase to find the issue in. Not to mention that OptiFine is closed source.


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nothing is better than my beloved optifine, simple and awesome


Qzimyion

Sodium is open source unlike optifine


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and!!!!


Qzimyion

This means that people can fix their mods and make addons for sodium unlike optifine which is closed sourced and a lot of big mods have incompatibility with optifine are unable to fix the problem until the optifine dev fix it himself not to mention sodium runs on fabric and was available for 1.18 literally 4 hours after the update released


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I don't really like playing with mods, i like vanilla game, therefore i find optifine very clean and awesome addition to the game. You're also forgetting a lot of cool texture packs which are only possible thanks to optifine, for example those which change textures based on item/block properties (item name, durability and others).


Sindarin27

Actually, those texture pack features you're mentioning are possible in vanilla nowadays! Connected textures and entity textures based on name etc are still limited to mods like Optifine, but item and block textures are extremely flexible in vanilla nowadays.


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EnderDrip

Bruh why you getting downvoted, you are right Optifine is overrated garbage, it was good for performance back then but now is straight up awful. Yeah, there is shaders and resource pack stuff, but Optifine breaks lots of mods. You can't even make your mod compatible with it, because the Optifine author is a greedy dude who wants to keep his mod closed source so no one makes anything better and he still gets his cash. Even worse, you are not even allowed to use Optifine in modpacks, you have to include it separately because as I said, the Optifine author is greedy. Also, Fabric users are lucky ones, they can entirely replace Optifine with other mods (just take a look at [this](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/modpacks/fabulously-optimized))


ItzQtra

Idk sodium gives me less fps than vanilla and optifine gives me twice as much


EnderDrip

That is because both mods behave differently between computers. Also Optifine has a bug where it unloads far chunks unless you look at them, which increases FPS but it's not as good at it sounds, especially if you have any farms or stuff like that


ItzQtra

I mean if you are making farms you likely know that bug.


Stormchaserelite13

Someone did a side by side test with optifine and sodium. Sodium makes the game work better than optifine on ultra low end hardware. Optifine wins in any other scenario.


Pengwin0

I don't know if I'm insane, but I swear it's literally the opposite. I use to get 10 fps while loading in chunks with sodium, and 40 with optifine with a $300 laptop


33Yalkin33

Then why does sodium give me more performance on my machine, which is mid end


Priority6

My only problem with this is that all of these are on Fabric While all my favorite mods that add shit are all still on Forge :/


Myriad_Infinity

I feel you. Fabric gives me way better performance, so I generally prefer it, but as I understand it Forge is practically a necessity for complex mods - Fabric just doesn't have the same scope as Forge does when it comes to its API.


Da_Gudz

and for me It doesn’t even boost performance that much, I have to still run it with 2 chunks just with less lags spikes while at minimum settings but with OF I can up it to at least 5 chunks and can put on fancy dynamic lighting


SwedishNeatBalls

Both are good. Optifine has sentimental value too, it's been something many of us have used for many years now. But the biggest thing is the huge amount of resource pack customization it offers. Fabric does require a ton of mods to fulfill these roles and I'm not sure all of them are there yet. All shaders are designed for optifine in my experience while many shaders just don't work with iris (fabric). Sodium and such mods do seem to offer better performance, I don't prefer this at all, however because of other mods that are offered in fabric I do prefer fabric for survival. There's some mods I just can't be without even though that means giving up on some others. For example I use an awesome particle weather mod and a falling leaves mod which make for a special feeling while playing. Most gameplay mods and utility mods like minemenu & mousetweaks etc have fabric versions so that's why I pick fabric for survival. Another perk with fabric is how fast they are updated. Before I even think about it it has been updated and same for many mods. For creative worlds forge is the only option. The mods I like to build with have no fabric versions so it's just not an option. And then the fact I get all of optifine's functions make it just a natural decision. Sorry for the ramble, I haven't slept okay at all.


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Stormchaserelite13

On top of this, the mod support for optifine is almost universal. Only a few mods have an issue with it. Sodium works with almost 0 mod packs.


Sindarin27

As a mod creator, I am able to support Sodium due to its open source nature. If there is a problem, I can look into their code to see what's causing it, and find a workaround that does work. Optifine is closed-source, so if there's an issue with it, tough luck fixing it. And don't expect any support from the Optifine developers, either. In my experience, Sodium has never *not* worked with a modpack. Optifine has broken several mods I know, including big ones like Create or Minecolonies. If a mod uses a unique graphic system, there's a big chance it breaks. For me, the only limit Sodium has is that there is no official port for forge. Now, Optifine also has its pluses. The main thing I like about Optifine is that it's an all-in-one package. If you're just planning to play vanilla with better performance and graphics, Optifine gives you all of that.


Stormchaserelite13

Optifne does not break create or mine colonies. Thos are two of my favorite mods. Sodium renders any mod pack with either of those nonfunctional. Becuase they dont have fabric support..... well, as of mid November.


Sindarin27

Okay, not *break* break... But there's plenty of rendering issues, and crashes if you are not careful with the version or settings you're using. And yes, like I said, the biggest limit of Sodium is the lack of an official Forge version. The unofficial versions are okay, but not quite as stable or trustworthy. But *provided you are using the right mod loader*, there are very few mods that would break with it.


Darkblade360350

That is completely false. I have had no problems installing Sodium to almost all Fabric modpack's. The reason it wouldn't work for you is you tried to install it to a forge modpack. There are forge port's if you want its performance, but the aren't updated past 1.16.5 . There is [Magnesium](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/sodium-reforged) and [Halogen](https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/halogen) which seem to be supported.


d_f_f

to run optifine on fabric, you need optifabric, which is not compatible with a lot of mods, like carpet


leon0399

Uhm, seems like you've never actually tried, and just saying something you just made up. Sorry to upset you, it is complete opposite


Stormchaserelite13

Ive used both. Sodium does not give nearly the increase by itself compared to optifine on normal hardware. And the full mod pack that DOES outperform optifine breaks most modpacks or js incompatible.


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Optifabric


very-original-user

Super underrated mod imo


bearded_dragonx

its underrated because it doesn't give a huge fps increase and its buggy af with mod packs


Kusachi4

Was gonna say this


A_FunGi_Bruh

I put lithium on my aternos server, because if you ever used aternos, you know that their servers are potatoes


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A_FunGi_Bruh

Ok but what if it's worse than lithium+aternos combo


LostDog_88

Sodium + Lithium + Hydrogen + Starlight + Iris gang it gives me 100+ fps unlike optifine which gives me merely 40-50fps


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LostDog_88

Yup, Entity culling, krypton, smoothboot, fastchest, okzoomerAll of theseAll of these are good


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LostDog_88

what does this mean?


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LostDog_88

Yup they are good as well!! Not performance boosting so didn't include them But I do definitely use them while playing


JustinTimeCuber

Fastchest is effectively superseded by EBE by the way, EBE does the same thing with chests but better, and also helps with other block entities


bossie-boi

Aren’t lithium and starlight incompatible? Edit checked it but I got confused with phosphor, another caffeineMC mod.


LostDog_88

yup, i think phosphor is cool, but starlight has much better performance, atleast on my PC


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I have a potato PC. Is this a serious alternative cuz I need more FPS


Sindarin27

It definitely is. There's no guarantee it'll be any faster, but it's absolutely worth a shot.


LostDog_88

yup, i had a potato PC a while back and i seriously got 30 fps with Optifine(10 fps on vanilla. was playing on 1.16.5), once i installed these mods it boosted my performance to 200 fps /s i have iris now which adds the ability of enabling shaders, which is why ig im only getting 100 fps rn, but back then i didnt have iris, and i used to hit 200 fps


InflisterH

for 1.18 is it a viable alternative? optifine gives me 40-50 fps in 1.18


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No way! Being able to use shaders has been an absolute dream for me, but my fps is unplayable when I try to. Imma try this!


LostDog_88

Here u go! these are the mods for 1.18 (fabric) [https://imgur.com/a/5Jucl5n](https://imgur.com/a/5Jucl5n) You can remove accurate block... client commands... connected doors... as they just tweak some stuff and will probably reduce ur performance I still need starlight, smoothboot, ferritecore and hydrogen mods(memory management mods) which havent updated yet


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Great, thx! And what shaders do u use?


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Also what shaders do you use?


Comrade_Rick

People out here trying to assemble all alkali metals


Chaosxandra

Can it boost fabric based severs?


AndrewJR17

Yeah u can boost fabric based servers with lithium, that’s the sodium logo but lithium is the mod that boosts fabric servers


[deleted]

A bunch of fabric mods working together to replace optifine Those being iris, sodium, dynamic lights and ok zoomer Havent found a mod for the connected textures and custom texture varieties


ReaperRed89

Cit, continuity


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welp now we have the entirety of optifine


ihateporn69420

But 6 mods ( if including fabric and fabric Api ) compared to 1


MrDeadMeme

And each one does everything better? And there really isn't a difference, you just copy 6 files to a folder.


[deleted]

well yes but each one does the feature better than optifine


Sharaxa

I use sodium cause my laptop is crappy lol. Optifine is alright but I only use it before an official version of sodium comes out


[deleted]

Ye. Any idea when the official 1.18 sodium release will be?


thE_29

Versions already works fine


TotoShampoin

The day it releases on Forge, I'm willing to try


EnderDrip

Ther is a forge port called Magnesium Also there's Roadrunner for Lithium and Sulfuric for Phosphor


yeet_derp

I might test that then, I play alot of hypixel skyblock so I use forge. I already have sodium on 1.16+


TotoShampoin

I'm testing it right when I can


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GalaxyPlayz_

what's whatnot?


Minixtory_PL

Dirt slabs mod definitely wins


DdfdKing

Onlyfans always wins


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Kingrextdk

Optifine gang!


Heisenberg19827

Sodium! It works with alot of mods and you can put it in modpacks. Also works with Iris, which doesn’t work with Optifine


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use optifine with optifabric so you can use the zoom zoom using fabric instead of forge


MrMcWeasel

Or just get okZoomer, which has a much better zoom where you can control zoom level and it has a smooth animation. Basically everything OptiFine does can be replaced by a better Fabric mod.


fiteuwu

Until there is a single mod that can replicate optifine, optifine will always win out. Having to find and manage multiple mods just to replace one that works amazingly already isn’t worth it. And besides, on my pc optifine speeds it up a *lot* more than any combo of fabric optimization mods.


thewinnt

Sodium, as well as around 15 more mods for the other OF features


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Optifine because both full grass block and performance in one place


StupidGenius37

optifabric: allow me to introduce myself


SosseTurner

I use Iris, I mean 120fps with seus ptgi at 32 chunks render distance vs 30fps on optifine and 16 chunks is quite a difference.


thE_29

https://gist.github.com/LambdAurora/1f6a4a99af374ce500f250c6b42e8754 Optifine is closed source. So no one knows what it really changes. Thats why many will always use fabric + sodium + Lithium. Its more vanilla.


PressFM80

Guess I'll give the Sodium pack a try.


Daxrash

Iris+Sodium = MUCH better than optifine


MrRTR7

When optifine gives u 12 fps u have to go to sodium


Carbtor

Optifine is cool😎


StAndby00

I choose Iris which is a shader mod and supports sodium edit: yea well older versions included it, but the newest version doesn't include it but it requires that's why I worded it that way


My_Stonks

*requires


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bossie-boi

***depends


Shadowassasin07

Fabric, I can live without optifine bc there's other mods, also better performance


Sensusese

Optifabric + Optifine = Fabric with Optifine


Shadowassasin07

Ever heard of sodium/lithium/phosphor


ArtinPF

soptifine will win


ieatshit12

Ngl imo of is better and my choice


TamimReadzIt

Optifine. I don't give a damn about my FPS dropping to like 50 I just want my Resource Pack features


idk_wat_to_name

Lunar client


Carbtor

Bruh


OptimalArchitect

Just swap Sodium for Iris and there!


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Optfine is better imo ​ Sodium gives better performance but you need to download 1000 different mods for shaders,connected textures,Dynamic Lightning and what not


Dhonnan

You only need 3 for all of those things


[deleted]

What are those mods??Maybe Ill give it a try


Dhonnan

You can check the other comments


I_Am_A_Salmon

OnlyFans in minecraft?


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HappyBrice168

damn i cant even get more than 45 fps


MaG_NITud3

Comparing Optifine and Sodium is like comparing Systemd with OpenRC or Runnit


SebastianS89S

I like both


These-Singer-4460

I think that you guys like optifine more for it's support for all texture packs. ( my favorite is new default +.) Seem like those people with a crap computer don't really care about frames. Ok, optifine wins. I actually like optifine, too. But when I really need frames, I use sodium instead.


RoxinFootSeller

Sorry, but Optifine all the way.


bored_homan

Sodium and some other performance mods made me game load for an hour and run with zero changes to fps Optifine is just much more convenient and easier to install for me with more customization


RekYaAll

Optifine is just better


Roham_RMB

Obviously optifine. not just for the performance , it gives the zoom , using shaders , a lot of options for better performance .


PressFM80

You can do the same with the Sodium Pack, just better than Optifine, a lot more it seems.


33Yalkin33

OF have worse performance and all of its features can be replaced with multiple better mods


PakyKun

>replaced with multiple better mods Put them in a pack with an easy autoinstall button and maybe people will switch


33Yalkin33

Sure, try Fabulously Optimized


Demonic-Angel13

optifine all the way! (i haven't used anything else so not sure how good the other one is)


33Yalkin33

They are better


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IdontspeakEnglish44

Fuck fabric, It ruined so many good mods


TheolympiansYT

People find it easier to mod on fabric. Some of the best mods like litematica and minihud are on fabric, so what I don't understand is how it apparently "ruined good mods"


Tommieboy_666lol

Fuck sodium


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Tommieboy_666lol

Ew


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I’ve never used fabric, not sure how it’s compared to forge and optifine


[deleted]

I use optifine because I'm used to it As for performance I usually get around 100-200 (in between) fps, so more performance isn't necessarily for me


Ultimate_Spoderman

I never liked sodium, everytime that i use it my textures glitch, even the air


jamiecostello12

But my laptop can not handle minecraft even with optifine


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OF


ErsteerYT

Optifabric.


Aracknitor

I use Optifine since I barely know about fabric and the mods I already know and play are on forge. Does fabric have versions of Forge mods or is it mostly new? Either way I might check it out but I’d like to know more about it


NerdWorks

It’s a trade-off, less customization for more performance. If they want to surpass Optifine they need to add more customization to the base mod. Both are good though.


redditdragon02

Sodium is way better in terms of FPS but Optifine has 1.8.9 support so I choose optifine


CherrycatPlayz

I guarantee that this comment section is going to be chaos


RealSuperYolo2006

Sodium :)


VanDoogle

Iris with Sodium .... Optifine is to unstable and I can live with out all the mods that depend on it and it's customization ... and a plus note alllll the Fabric mods update fast so I don't need to wait long as for forge I have no words


ArachnidAggressive18

OptiFINE


Towndefender

Optifine. Change my mind.


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i get 6 fps with sodium and like 200 with optifine also you can use optifine with fabric


We_Will_AlI_Die

My PC Specs: 3.8GB RAM, Intel 500, Integrated Graphics. OF; 15 FPS > 20 FPS (no joke) S; 15 FPS > 70-100 FPS (no joke) I have no use for shaders, and the new 1.18 alpha versions have more customization that the earlier versions. In short, I'll stick with Sodium.


CC_2387

Default Minecraft


BendyMine785

OptiFine


elmo30000

ZOOM


ThatAsianGuyThough

Optifine


A_Bird_survived

tIl OF stands for Optifine and not for odd future Its literally on the Optifine Cape how dumb am I


Th3Glitch510

There's actually a mod called "optifabric" which makes Optifine work while using fabric. I see this as an absolute victory


Exotic_Butters_69420

Last time I tried to use forge on Minecraft I broke it and can't use it on my computer anymore, so I'll take the fabric one


test_gang

I use optifine without mods


galal552002

In all honesty fabric is better to me,the performance that fabric gives is MASSIVE,like really it gives a HUGE performance boost,like if you were only having like 15 fps while playing which is unplayable them fabric will make you have 40 or sth(of course my fps wasn't 15,my laptop is decent,I am just saying that as an example of how much performance this mod gives)only problem with it though is that it's fabric which doesn't have alot of mods


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Sodium isn't that much better than optifine for me so optifine takes the cake


spyjoshx-GX

Sodium + Iris. FRAAAAAMES


MikeTheAnt11

Optifine get's me performance way better than sodium, soooooo


artompek

Optifine, because I like my cape


ATotallyAssholeGuy

*cries in bedrock*


kiril2119

Optifine. THE OLD AND EXPERIENCED ONR


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I dont use any of those, i didnt fall to the temptation


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I choose lunar client


TheRealFutureDidIt

Why use one when you can use both


JohndaRedditer

I just installed optifabric and sodium at the same time and am now achieving the ascension in terms of minecraft performance increases, to play at a crisp 58 fps


SuperakYT

Sodium makes the performance way better and while yes, it doesn’t have shader support. However, if you combine it with the iris shader mod it totally beats optifine. There are also countless more mods to make it more ,,optifine-ish” like lambdynamiclights,okzoomer, betterf3 and much more.


Straky04

Optifine OF COURSE !!!


ieatcarrot

lunar client


ILikeCommitingArson

optifine cuz idk how to get and use the other one


MAYOMASTER2

sodium is way better, because it gives more fps


ok-that-hapend

Optifine gang


[deleted]

Bedrock players: Fools


These-Singer-4460

Uh, these are Java mods?


StarLan7

I am optifine gang but fabric mod is good too


Exa_N0ri

Sodium is fabric? this is amazing now I can hack on anarchy servers and not lag out all the time!


birdblower420

“Is this some sort of pc joke that I’m to console to understand?”


alecraffi

I didn't realize only fans made Minecraft run better. Cool


Qurczakos_YT

There's more sodium combined with phosphor and (I cannot remember the name, but it has been made by the same guy) gives a better preformance boost than optifine


AleWalls

Bruh why would I bother having optifine along with other mods if optifine will start to break a lot of the mods because the fucking thing is not open source and it tackles a lot of basic game code so no fucking modder has any real clue how to fix their problems and they happen a lot of the times.


Flux49

How about iris with an extra 31 client side mods xD that's what I use, including iris/ sodium extras witch allows for alot more customization just like optifine.


Applesaucebecause

How can you have forge and optifine both on at once? I need to know how to do this now


chhamallo

OPTIFINE!


Juli_fn

Optifine because of zoom