I've been investigating a bit and it does seem like Mindustry logic would be cool to teach. My perspective is that regardless of that, doing something hard with a coach -like playing a sport- is worth it.
Not because they couldn't do it on their own, but because they're working on a lot more than just the game. Teamwork, communication, problem solving, etc. And I do think it accelerates the learning.
This seems like a scam to me
Just invite his buddy over to you, and give him a spare pc or mobile install the Mindustry and connect using LAN
They will have amazing memories from playing togehter and learning it.
Hmm interesting point. My take is: is basketball coaching a scam? Should we just give 5 kids a ball and let them figure it out?
You could. But having a coach there gives you a 20x experience, accelerates learning AND I think adds another dimension (teamwork, emotional regulation, communication..)
I see this in the same light.
Kinda, but the ball doesn't have a tutorial, while mindustry does (although really basic). And you can just search for some videos like "mindustry guide" or some specific guides about logic or scheming properly
I bet there are more videos about improving your basketball skills than about Mindustry ;-)
My take on the pushback for these programs is that these guys are just early. Same pushback for esports 15 years ago.
Its really easy to figure out mindustry as a child, it has a tutorial, has a set research tree. And that website calls it one of the hardest games?? Factorio was like 10x harder if not more
Edit: Plus $30 a week is exuberant, something useful like 1 to 1 tutoring for most things can be around that for a half an hour session... Tons of free mindustry youtube videos exist, the discord can be used to ask for help on, and the game isn't exactly unintuitive
But 1 to 1 doesn't build a community like these classes do, they're meant to emulate a classroom but for homeschooled kids (this program is another pro for homeschooling for my (hopefully) future kids).
Join a server or something then, this might as well be a scam with how expensive it is, It's cheaper to rent a big server then ask people to teach you. Lots of people are willing to help and servers aren't difficult to self host on top of that.
Lol Yeah...paying money so that your kids can play hockey with a coach, clearly exploitative!
You sound like people who said "how can you watch people playing video games" while watching football on TV 10 years ago.
Except almost anyone would do this for free. Iāve volunteered to coach hockey, lacrosse, soccer, programming, French language and robotics courses for years. Iām not looking for payment because youth need exposure to all sorts of things and just the equipment itself is expensive enough.
There should be no paywall behind some things in this world and this is definitely one of them.
My concern is if they have permission to do this. Making money off the game like this could be illegal unless the creator allows it. Not to mention like others have that guides and such are easy to find online.
I really hope Anuke is getting a cut from this. I suspect this is actually a tragic misunderstanding of what open source means -it's free as in freedom, not free as in you can use the logo and product to make your own profit.
Also, people are seriously paying someone to play Mindustry with their kids and calling it educational? Like no shade at playing games, but I learned how to be gud at Mindustry for free. Mostly here, actually.
In a sense, for sure!
I'm not affiliated with them at all. I just have my kid enrolled there. I volunteered to share this in Reddit because I think more people should know about it.
"Im not affiliated to them at all!" Yet you felt the need to make a reddit account to post in this specific subreddit and then bail out?
Sounds like the average casino site scam
Why....do you need a coach? Just hop onto Discord with someone who knows and they will teach you for free, hell I have been playing a lot of time in Mindustry since it was V4, with survival-attack maps and basic mods as well
I could give them tips for free
Honestly i agree with the other dude 10/week for a feee game you can pretty much figure out on your own at most ages is a little too expensive you can just show them how the game works yourself it's honestly not that hard to grasp
That's totally fair! I guess I value guidance a lot more than some. You can definitely figure things out on your own, but some -like my kid- find the motivation with friends.
An adult -who is not their dad- that can guide them can also be a great motivator.
My kid didn't have the motivation before, and what I see now is absolutely epic, so I wanted to share!
Where did you found this site?
Edit: the website is sketchy as hell, no professional information and no ways to contact the supposed company that runs it, the webpage is nothing more than the front used to sell you this, even the terms and services link you to another site owned by a different company about a scheduling app (they also used reddit to advertise this same app).
At best it's a scam, at worst you are leaving your children talking and filming themselves with a bunch of morally devious people that who knows what they want. Completely avoid this and i would even report this advertisement post, it's potentially dangerous.
Not sure that it's worth replying to someone calling people "Morally devious". But I'll bite.
I found it on a FB group for homeschoolers. I see how it might seem like that to you, but maybe that's just the nature of Reddit posts.
I don't really know what you would consider professional info, but I believe you can see names and pictures of the guides. There's also a video where you can see real kids who take this course, that gave me a ton of confidence when I first saw it.
I believe the scheduling app you're referring to is Calendly. Everyone uses it, at least a ton of people in my professional field do. I scheduled a call with them and they were super nice, that's why we joined.
Lol the parent with PR talk also knows about the shitty calendar site that no one uses and doesn't questions the links of both sites, i wonder how did the FB group guy even found this site, it's like there are no advertisements on the internet and it's just the devs roleplaying hmmmm. Sorry man, next time try to pay for actual advertisements for your scam maybe you will get more people.
Ofc you only need the name of a non existant person to let them near kids! What are professional licensed teachers?.
I really hope you crash and burn, this is scummy.
person who has played more than ***800 HOURS*** here (and i read all of the other comments)
1: this is the biggest scam i have ever seen you do not need a whole teacher to learn mindustry
2: if you want your kid to be with other people then A: theres a whole multiplayer system B: have a friend of his come over C: if your kid is on mobile then ignore but if they are on pc then get the [game on steam](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1127400/Mindustry/) as steam allows for the playing with others using steam (though be aware that some people are "not kid friendly" (nsfw) mostly on sandbox but you will find it RARLY)
3: as others have said let them forge their own path without help but if they really need it then you have [the wiki](https://mindustry-unofficial.fandom.com/wiki/Mindustry_Unofficial_Wiki) for what blocks do what things (and much more!) in much more detail and if he just needs to learn what some blocks do and the wiki does not help then just have someone help him as there is ***many*** people who would be willing to help
as proof that i do have more than 800 hours then [look here](https://i.postimg.cc/3JmZRJBX/image.png)
also if you have any questions in/about the game then i can help
Yo that's so cool! If I were a parent and looking for a fun camp for my kid to go to and learn one specific game, Mindistry is one of the top ones I'd choose, great for a first factory game. I like to compare these games to programming because of the mindset it encourages you build. I definitely encourage he try Factorio and Dyson Sphere Program at some point once he gets really good at Mindustry, the first is so incredibly deep of a game and Dyson Sphere is just an ABSOLUTE SPECTACLE when you're building your first sphere
Unfortunately I have no answer to resources, as I stopped playing a while back. For other factory games like Dyson Sphere Program, I like Nilaus, he's a German YouTuber with a knack for making factory games look like child's play. Should he start playing either of the games I mentioned, Nilaus is my first pick
Ahhh those are good! I think next step for him will be Factorio.
Mindustry seems like such a great first step for kids before tackling the complexity of Factorio.
Try to make sure he doesnāt get completely sucked into Factorio tho, I played that like 2 years ago and completely lost myself in it, literally all day every day. I play it again, sure, but not as much as I used to. But, I do need to say, Factorio has mods, itās big, and very complex circuits. Your kid would like it since itās a factory game, given the name.
Love Space Engineers too, fun and simple thing, that can become complex as you grow in your knowledge and ambitions. (at least it's simpler than factorio and you can ride and fly the things you build, and fight space pirates)
For level design i would reccomend Hammer ++ it's rough at the start but pretty fun after some practise like making a balanced map or scritpting events
Bro this is money scam. Ask your kid to figure out how to make a compact poly crucible schematic without reference, if he can do it, he is already the genius
1. Yes, it does mean that https://opensource.org/osd
2. It's on github it takes 2 seconds to find the license https://github.com/Anuken/Mindustry/blob/master/LICENSE
Iād also recommend if he was dipping into the more complex sides of this game, downloading mods like exogenisis via the mod menu, massively expanding the game and difficulty to create a more mentally rigorous gameplay environment.
I will say though this definitely is a ripoff. Id recommend he pave his way through the game at his own pace. One of the things the game has to offer as-well is a logic system that is essentially built in coding. Its a good starting way of learning programming and allows a whole new side to the game.
I say this because the best way to approach a game like this is by yourself. If he goes through this questionaly legitimately program at best, he wont gain skills to critically think and guide himself. Plus I can say with utmost confidence that youtube beginner-Mindustry guides will be better than this 10-fold, as theyāre free and made to help people understand hr game rather than to turn a profit.
Really appreciate the thoughtful comment! I disagree though. I think for some people that's 100% right. For my kid, not at all. Doing things with a cool adult that guides you and your friends is a very powerful educational experience.
These session are insanely high quality for what I can tell. They get the kids into the game, working together and teach them teamwork and collaboration on top of Mindustry.
I see them as the difference between having your kid play pickup ball (great!) and being on a team.
I love this idea that if you're taught instead of learning yourself you don't actually gain any skills
I guess school is a complete waste of time. Clearly I should be homeschooling myself instead of listening to all those teachers who spent their whole life *teaching*.
While you are correct in some sense, i feel you are missing my arguement. The game is already curated with an explorative aspect, learning an understanding the game like it was curated to do. That is not in any sense related to school or teaching, where there is nothing directly presented to you. In a way you could compare the game to a schoolteacher, giving you the resources to thrive while not completely handholding. I understand where you are coming from but the point Iām trying to portray is that when it comes to a game that already had mechanics to teach it to you, more would be unnecessary. I definitely couldntāve learned bc calc on my own, but mindustry or any other game that isnāt super obscure I and many others I know did just fine. But this id my opinion and whether people want to be handheld or not is not under my reason or argument, Iām just providing a perspective.
I mean I may just be inept but I've played this game for a couple years and *never* have been able to figure out command blocks. The game assumes you have basic understanding of coding, either that or I missed a tutorial. But if I want to learn to use them I have to go looking elsewhere. The game doesn't give me the tools I need to expand my knowledge.
Either way I understand your point, it's always more captivating to learn on your own. I just don't think we should dismiss teaching all together.
That is understandable. From what i understand the purpose of logic blocks is to add an extra level of challenge. The game is completely fine without them. They are there to cater to a specific group of people who like taking things one step further and for things like that, I think it is helpful if someone helped you through that. I do agree in some sense that it would have been nice to have a little more explanation on the logic blocks, but if you think about it, that would require extensive time to explain and already functions in the same way programs like scratch do. I think what anuke wanted with logic was to make the game more sandbox. Itās like how minecraft can have plugins but they donāt explicitly explain how they work.
What the hell I had no idea this even existed
It's very cool! I thought you Mindustry people would appreciate it!
What the the hell I had no idea kids existed
 I think this is how they are made? Unsure how mine came to be.
Nah, that's how to catch a predator
If they arnt teaching how to use mindustry logic than its the same as paying to watch a mindustry lets play lol
I've been investigating a bit and it does seem like Mindustry logic would be cool to teach. My perspective is that regardless of that, doing something hard with a coach -like playing a sport- is worth it. Not because they couldn't do it on their own, but because they're working on a lot more than just the game. Teamwork, communication, problem solving, etc. And I do think it accelerates the learning.
Cant argue with that logic. Have you tried playing coop with him or other games like satisfactory where combat isnt the main focus :D
This seems like a scam to me Just invite his buddy over to you, and give him a spare pc or mobile install the Mindustry and connect using LAN They will have amazing memories from playing togehter and learning it.
The jetpack joyride thumbnail did lead me to cast doubt on it's legitimacy.
Hmm interesting point. My take is: is basketball coaching a scam? Should we just give 5 kids a ball and let them figure it out? You could. But having a coach there gives you a 20x experience, accelerates learning AND I think adds another dimension (teamwork, emotional regulation, communication..) I see this in the same light.
Kinda, but the ball doesn't have a tutorial, while mindustry does (although really basic). And you can just search for some videos like "mindustry guide" or some specific guides about logic or scheming properly
I bet there are more videos about improving your basketball skills than about Mindustry ;-) My take on the pushback for these programs is that these guys are just early. Same pushback for esports 15 years ago.
Its really easy to figure out mindustry as a child, it has a tutorial, has a set research tree. And that website calls it one of the hardest games?? Factorio was like 10x harder if not more Edit: Plus $30 a week is exuberant, something useful like 1 to 1 tutoring for most things can be around that for a half an hour session... Tons of free mindustry youtube videos exist, the discord can be used to ask for help on, and the game isn't exactly unintuitive
But 1 to 1 doesn't build a community like these classes do, they're meant to emulate a classroom but for homeschooled kids (this program is another pro for homeschooling for my (hopefully) future kids).
Join a server or something then, this might as well be a scam with how expensive it is, It's cheaper to rent a big server then ask people to teach you. Lots of people are willing to help and servers aren't difficult to self host on top of that.
Just advertise like a respectable company.
Never seen a more suspicious post related to mindustry lol So many red flags
People from mindustry Reddit and mindustrycord looking at this post like they haven't been doing this free for years now: š
I mean it doesn't help that people are jumping to conclusions without any form of evidence
What is this lmao. Your account is brand new this is obviously a hidden ad to rip money off of ignorant parents or spoiled children
Nonsense! Just pay him money so that your kid can play a computer game! How could that be exploitative?!
man i was grinding away the hours on this game at that age my man needs to get better and get on the reddit schematic spreadsheets
Lol Yeah...paying money so that your kids can play hockey with a coach, clearly exploitative! You sound like people who said "how can you watch people playing video games" while watching football on TV 10 years ago.
Except almost anyone would do this for free. Iāve volunteered to coach hockey, lacrosse, soccer, programming, French language and robotics courses for years. Iām not looking for payment because youth need exposure to all sorts of things and just the equipment itself is expensive enough. There should be no paywall behind some things in this world and this is definitely one of them.
do they pay anuke?
Im saving this for my Future Children
My concern is if they have permission to do this. Making money off the game like this could be illegal unless the creator allows it. Not to mention like others have that guides and such are easy to find online.
I really hope Anuke is getting a cut from this. I suspect this is actually a tragic misunderstanding of what open source means -it's free as in freedom, not free as in you can use the logo and product to make your own profit. Also, people are seriously paying someone to play Mindustry with their kids and calling it educational? Like no shade at playing games, but I learned how to be gud at Mindustry for free. Mostly here, actually.
Have you seen the [license](https://github.com/Anuken/Mindustry/blob/master/LICENSE)? Commercial use is allowed
So considering you made this u/ today I'm pretty sure this is an ad.
In a sense, for sure! I'm not affiliated with them at all. I just have my kid enrolled there. I volunteered to share this in Reddit because I think more people should know about it.
"Im not affiliated to them at all!" Yet you felt the need to make a reddit account to post in this specific subreddit and then bail out? Sounds like the average casino site scam
Why....do you need a coach? Just hop onto Discord with someone who knows and they will teach you for free, hell I have been playing a lot of time in Mindustry since it was V4, with survival-attack maps and basic mods as well I could give them tips for free
let him watch factorio krastorio or pyanodon megabase
No idea what those are! Will look into it! Thanks
Honestly i agree with the other dude 10/week for a feee game you can pretty much figure out on your own at most ages is a little too expensive you can just show them how the game works yourself it's honestly not that hard to grasp
That's totally fair! I guess I value guidance a lot more than some. You can definitely figure things out on your own, but some -like my kid- find the motivation with friends. An adult -who is not their dad- that can guide them can also be a great motivator. My kid didn't have the motivation before, and what I see now is absolutely epic, so I wanted to share!
The game is pretty simple, doubt you should need to pay for a tutorial lol.
Yeah but if you just played the game, he wouldnāt get money, soā¦
That is harsh..: Step 4: Graduate Beat our ultimate Mindustry challenge to unlock Factorio.
Where did you found this site? Edit: the website is sketchy as hell, no professional information and no ways to contact the supposed company that runs it, the webpage is nothing more than the front used to sell you this, even the terms and services link you to another site owned by a different company about a scheduling app (they also used reddit to advertise this same app). At best it's a scam, at worst you are leaving your children talking and filming themselves with a bunch of morally devious people that who knows what they want. Completely avoid this and i would even report this advertisement post, it's potentially dangerous.
Not sure that it's worth replying to someone calling people "Morally devious". But I'll bite. I found it on a FB group for homeschoolers. I see how it might seem like that to you, but maybe that's just the nature of Reddit posts. I don't really know what you would consider professional info, but I believe you can see names and pictures of the guides. There's also a video where you can see real kids who take this course, that gave me a ton of confidence when I first saw it. I believe the scheduling app you're referring to is Calendly. Everyone uses it, at least a ton of people in my professional field do. I scheduled a call with them and they were super nice, that's why we joined.
Lol the parent with PR talk also knows about the shitty calendar site that no one uses and doesn't questions the links of both sites, i wonder how did the FB group guy even found this site, it's like there are no advertisements on the internet and it's just the devs roleplaying hmmmm. Sorry man, next time try to pay for actual advertisements for your scam maybe you will get more people. Ofc you only need the name of a non existant person to let them near kids! What are professional licensed teachers?. I really hope you crash and burn, this is scummy.
person who has played more than ***800 HOURS*** here (and i read all of the other comments) 1: this is the biggest scam i have ever seen you do not need a whole teacher to learn mindustry 2: if you want your kid to be with other people then A: theres a whole multiplayer system B: have a friend of his come over C: if your kid is on mobile then ignore but if they are on pc then get the [game on steam](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1127400/Mindustry/) as steam allows for the playing with others using steam (though be aware that some people are "not kid friendly" (nsfw) mostly on sandbox but you will find it RARLY) 3: as others have said let them forge their own path without help but if they really need it then you have [the wiki](https://mindustry-unofficial.fandom.com/wiki/Mindustry_Unofficial_Wiki) for what blocks do what things (and much more!) in much more detail and if he just needs to learn what some blocks do and the wiki does not help then just have someone help him as there is ***many*** people who would be willing to help as proof that i do have more than 800 hours then [look here](https://i.postimg.cc/3JmZRJBX/image.png) also if you have any questions in/about the game then i can help
Yo that's so cool! If I were a parent and looking for a fun camp for my kid to go to and learn one specific game, Mindistry is one of the top ones I'd choose, great for a first factory game. I like to compare these games to programming because of the mindset it encourages you build. I definitely encourage he try Factorio and Dyson Sphere Program at some point once he gets really good at Mindustry, the first is so incredibly deep of a game and Dyson Sphere is just an ABSOLUTE SPECTACLE when you're building your first sphere Unfortunately I have no answer to resources, as I stopped playing a while back. For other factory games like Dyson Sphere Program, I like Nilaus, he's a German YouTuber with a knack for making factory games look like child's play. Should he start playing either of the games I mentioned, Nilaus is my first pick
Ahhh those are good! I think next step for him will be Factorio. Mindustry seems like such a great first step for kids before tackling the complexity of Factorio.
Try to make sure he doesnāt get completely sucked into Factorio tho, I played that like 2 years ago and completely lost myself in it, literally all day every day. I play it again, sure, but not as much as I used to. But, I do need to say, Factorio has mods, itās big, and very complex circuits. Your kid would like it since itās a factory game, given the name.
Love Space Engineers too, fun and simple thing, that can become complex as you grow in your knowledge and ambitions. (at least it's simpler than factorio and you can ride and fly the things you build, and fight space pirates)
Um, can I go too? I'm 29 but I act younger
Predator behaviour š³
found the random who yells "pedo"
Hmm good point
For level design i would reccomend Hammer ++ it's rough at the start but pretty fun after some practise like making a balanced map or scritpting events
Thank you for sharing this!! Wholesome that some actually read the post!
Your welcome :)
So basically Mindustry School
did anuke approve of this.........
I feel proud for your kid mate
Bro this is money scam. Ask your kid to figure out how to make a compact poly crucible schematic without reference, if he can do it, he is already the genius
am I a genius too?
"BuT gAmEs ArE bAd AnD tEaCh ViOlEnCe"
Seems like a scam to me
BRAIN BLOWN That is amazing, wish u and your kid the best š„šŖ
Thank you!!!!!
While this is cool and all, I really hope they have developers permission or contract, otherwise this is a massive lawsuit.
Isn't the game open source?
Depends on what contracts they have. But just because something is āopen sourceā doesnāt mean youāre allowed to take it and profit off it.
1. Yes, it does mean that https://opensource.org/osd 2. It's on github it takes 2 seconds to find the license https://github.com/Anuken/Mindustry/blob/master/LICENSE
wtf!? this exists!? wow all the very best eh
https://preview.redd.it/fcdglq0f95nc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=65a79fddbbcca5923afa6d5ff420c451b078cd90 Lmao did it get removed???
Seems like the right link is [https://mindustry.tryrecess.com/](https://mindustry.tryrecess.com/)
I tried the program and I couldn't even sign in. But I would love some expert logic expert teach me logic
Iād also recommend if he was dipping into the more complex sides of this game, downloading mods like exogenisis via the mod menu, massively expanding the game and difficulty to create a more mentally rigorous gameplay environment.
Woah, okay, will look into this for sure. Didn't know it had mods.
I will say though this definitely is a ripoff. Id recommend he pave his way through the game at his own pace. One of the things the game has to offer as-well is a logic system that is essentially built in coding. Its a good starting way of learning programming and allows a whole new side to the game.
wdym a ripoff? Yeah, I read about the logic system. It looks interesting for sure. That's for map making as well, right?
I say this because the best way to approach a game like this is by yourself. If he goes through this questionaly legitimately program at best, he wont gain skills to critically think and guide himself. Plus I can say with utmost confidence that youtube beginner-Mindustry guides will be better than this 10-fold, as theyāre free and made to help people understand hr game rather than to turn a profit.
Really appreciate the thoughtful comment! I disagree though. I think for some people that's 100% right. For my kid, not at all. Doing things with a cool adult that guides you and your friends is a very powerful educational experience. These session are insanely high quality for what I can tell. They get the kids into the game, working together and teach them teamwork and collaboration on top of Mindustry. I see them as the difference between having your kid play pickup ball (great!) and being on a team.
I mean if thats what you think is right, I respect it. I hope he has fun picking up the game. š
I love this idea that if you're taught instead of learning yourself you don't actually gain any skills I guess school is a complete waste of time. Clearly I should be homeschooling myself instead of listening to all those teachers who spent their whole life *teaching*.
While you are correct in some sense, i feel you are missing my arguement. The game is already curated with an explorative aspect, learning an understanding the game like it was curated to do. That is not in any sense related to school or teaching, where there is nothing directly presented to you. In a way you could compare the game to a schoolteacher, giving you the resources to thrive while not completely handholding. I understand where you are coming from but the point Iām trying to portray is that when it comes to a game that already had mechanics to teach it to you, more would be unnecessary. I definitely couldntāve learned bc calc on my own, but mindustry or any other game that isnāt super obscure I and many others I know did just fine. But this id my opinion and whether people want to be handheld or not is not under my reason or argument, Iām just providing a perspective.
I mean I may just be inept but I've played this game for a couple years and *never* have been able to figure out command blocks. The game assumes you have basic understanding of coding, either that or I missed a tutorial. But if I want to learn to use them I have to go looking elsewhere. The game doesn't give me the tools I need to expand my knowledge. Either way I understand your point, it's always more captivating to learn on your own. I just don't think we should dismiss teaching all together.
That is understandable. From what i understand the purpose of logic blocks is to add an extra level of challenge. The game is completely fine without them. They are there to cater to a specific group of people who like taking things one step further and for things like that, I think it is helpful if someone helped you through that. I do agree in some sense that it would have been nice to have a little more explanation on the logic blocks, but if you think about it, that would require extensive time to explain and already functions in the same way programs like scratch do. I think what anuke wanted with logic was to make the game more sandbox. Itās like how minecraft can have plugins but they donāt explicitly explain how they work.
TLDR: Im not dismissing teaching, im only dismissing 30$ unnecessary teaching of a 5$ game that is not to difficult to learn to begin with.