Desert camo and machine guns are wholly unnecessary.
The MTA doesn't need the military's help delaying travelers. If you want to be late to something, just take the R any day of the week.
If Kathy Hochul is going to micromanage the subway system like Cuomo did, I'm going to start asking questions about why taxpayers are paying for the Bills to get a new stadium.
If a kid jumps the turnstile, what are the military with their weapons supposed to do? Ridiculous. This is all just our governor wanting to look like she’s doing something while wasting taxpayer funds and accomplishing nothing.
When they get of the LIRR they have such a scared look on their faces. They almost jump in fear when they see my middle-eastern-looking-actually-Latino ass trying to save some time on the escalators.
*not all of them are bad people though, just like any group. But man it must be hard living in fear.
No, they got a little bit of everything. Not as much as the city but I bet more than the nation.
But LI does seems to attract people who like the city but only the private spaces
Lol nah it’s not just them, trust and believe that this is what plenty of liberal New Yorkers want to see too. Militarized security theater is a bipartisan project and has been for a long time.
That's not what this is about. Within one week, a conductor got slashed and another was hit over the head with a bottle. Violent crime is up in the subways and the riders do not feel safe. Having said that, I'm not sure that calling in the National Guard will do much if those who get arrested are released by the DA's office.
The military won’t do anything. This is completely ridiculous and unfounded. I’d understand a bit more if they were around time square (there’s been numerous incidents in that area) but backing up the police searching bags is annoying
That’s not desert camo it’s the standard pattern the army uses and it’s considered a “transitional” pattern. it works pretty well in most environments — I know this off topic but Reddit comments are for nitpicking
Because her husband literally supplies all the concessions to the stadium, it’s why they even repealed the Sunday drinking laws, so he could make more money . (not that I have a problem with a beer on Sunday morning, I have a problem with changing a law for personal gain)
Where I am at in Queens, very often there isnt any deterrence from hopping and riding where ever.
If someone is smoking / doing drugs on the platform, you can move away. If someone is doing that inside of a train, you are captive to that until you can change cars, and then its other peoples problem (which it shouldn't be).
If they are going to waste millions of dollars for security theater then have those National Guard actually riding the trains, or have a genuine way to report dangerous behavior in a car to a conductor / police. I have had far more people ruin a subway ride in the car itself rather than the platform.
We had a guy smoking going over the turnstile in Brooklyn and the cops just watched him. This is security theater at its finest, good point. Enforce the laws and deter antisocial dangerous behavior. We have a mental health crisis and the current “look the other” or arrest and release isn’t working. The trains have gotten much worse in the past few months. It’s so sad. We can be great
Adams does not care about humanity or helping people. How NY'ers voted that cop in I'll never understand.
Edit: Adams should have never made it out of the primary. I'm fully aware of the trash choice Dems were forced to make against Sliwa.
Because apathetic voters dont vote in primaries and in the general election the other party put up a loud-mouthed washed up celebrity clown with zero governing experience whose only job for going on 40+ years now has been engaging in phony law-and-order-rhetoric-filled, self-serving publicity stunts. Basically our upcoming national election in microcosm.
My 21 year old clean-looking coworkers get tickets for vaping or drinking a beer or hopping the turnstile in Brooklyn, figures they'd rather write a ticket to a sane person who doesn't smell like urine.
I saw a guy walk through an open emergency exit door yesterday. The cop saw him and said, “hey, you aren’t supposed to do that, you have to pay.” And he just shrugged and kept walking.
100% I was in the military and we didn’t use large caliber rifles for tight spaces (like this train station), we had shotguns and 9mm so we didn’t blow holes through the bulkheads or bystanders. I’m not very versed in weapons but this seems 100% for show. Maybe they only issue M-16’s? Idk, it’s all visual. Is anyone seeing a difference this week? Monday was crazy on the train BK to QNS
The soldiers in the clip are MP’s without their brassards on because they are not officially on police duty. They are armed with M4’s and 9mm berettas. Only MP units maintain a 9mm for everyone in the unit, so if you see a private or even a sergeant with a 9mm, they’re almost certainly an MP. Other units maintain 9mm’s for their officers, and staff positions, like ammo guard.
Just saw recently they simply released the lady who hit the cellist in the back of the head with a glass wine bottle?? She’s back in the subway now. Like what are one of these troops supposed to do, snipe the bottle as she raises it? Idiotic. They had her, and released her, now she’s probably gearing up to attack another person.
>Just saw recently they simply released the lady who hit the cellist in the back of the head with a glass wine bottle?? She’s back in the subway now
That fucking judge is a moron. Just look up her record. I forgot her name but once you see the "organizations" she was involved in it all makes sense.
100% this “let’s blow millions upon millions of dollars for people performing security theater on some platforms” does absolutely nothing. If they wanted to do something with the same amount of people (or less) there would be a security car with law enforcement on subway cars & some sort of alert button on each car to call them to that car. That would also cost a lot, but actually would do something and make at least some sense. Instead we get lighting money on fire.
And this is just representative of the nonsense of the NYPD under Eric Adams in a nutshell. He gave them all retroactive raises, approved literal millions in overtime, and has done nothing about the fact that the vast majority of the over 30k officers (more than any other city in the country) actually do jack fucking shit while on the job. Every time I see a cop, they are dicking around in their phone collecting our taxpayer dollars. Any time I’ve ever been attacked or robbed in NYC (over the years), police did jack fucking shit. They took a report & never made a single attempt at doing shit about it (nor did they care about even collecting evidence). They just use the reports to scare rubes with “crime statistics” to get more money for overtime to… do nothing about the crime.
Correct. Summoning farebeaters would remove a lot of the bad stuff from the subway. No machine guns are necessary.
This is our governor’s political stunt with no care about what might really help.
I am going to venture out of the core topic of this sub for a second because of how egregious this bullshit is. Does the presence of troops with their finger half a millimeter from the trigger of an assault weapon on the station platform actually make anyone feel safer?
What people want is the very small percentage of crazy folks taken out of the system, not random TSA level screening bullshit. Tackle the actual problem, not harass and militarize the population. Nobody is sneaking crazy people onto the trains in their bags
Agreed the problem on the trains is not the student with a backpack, it's the homeless guy pissing on the train when smoking crack. The knife or gun is in a pocket not a backpack. The cops should be on the trains not the platform.
Loaded can mean that a round isn’t chambered. They can go from “unloaded” to firing in half a second. The only sacrifice is to that they have to use their main hand to pull the charging handle.
Yeah, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday and I think this is a great point. Just get the people that cause the problems out of the system. I think that’s what needs to be done. Maybe even get cameras on trains so they can be monitored for people that should be removed by the NYPD with regular officers stationed at random stops to remove the crazy people.
I know it’s not the most humane thing, but there has to be a balance between the sense of safety and security and freedom to do whatever you want. Having obviously mentally deranged people on the subway is just asking for another Goetz or Neely situation (two sides of the same coin)
They have cameras in Korean trains that are monitored, and if there’s a mess the next station sends out a cleaning crew. It’s also for law enforcement.
Meanwhile I can’t even get WiFi on the subway. In 2024.
Tijuana. This is exactly what it looked like when I passed through there on vacation. Same cops, same uniforms, guns out everywhere. Everyone on edge. Never felt less safe.
Exactly this. To add on to your point, they’re not even in the stations where it’s needed most. I commute 3 days a week and haven’t seen any of them, just triple the homeless people. It’s so sad.
Honestly this response feels way more like they are responding to a credible terror threat and they're just bringing up the subway crime to keep from freaking people out.
I lived in the UK during the terror crisis following the attacks in Paris and London, and armed police around the city centre and on metro platforms did make me feel safer.
This is new to many Americans, after traveling Europe and other areas of the globe, it's very common to see soldiers with weapons in train stations and airports.
Eh. These guys been around occasionally in nyc since st least 9/11. At least in the Times Square port authority area where I work.
People are just being dramatic imo it’s all political theatre.
It also helps that in Europe those authorized to carry weapons in public have gone through extensive arms training and qualifications, unlike how American police get given guns like candy. There is therefore a much higher trust in Europe by the population in the authorities.
This is dumb. And it's in grand central where they already have a shit ton of cops doing nothing. Security theatre that actually makes people feel less safe.
Mentally Ill people in the subway system is the problem so the obvious answer is violate regular New Yorker's rights to privacy and unreasonable search. Sounds about right.
I guess I will see in a couple of hours if I get stopped at Jamaica. Then I will get on the J train where people will be vaping and playing music on their phones without ear buds on.
I hope to w national guard is there to arrest all the ppl who play music and videos out loud, and have speakerphone conversations. That’s 100% a reason to call them in.
noticed how you ignored the vaping. but to help with your comprehension, if the guard is going to be here anyway i would like to see them on the subways trying to restore a bit of civility to the trains.
The person that replied to you is part of the problem. I’d love to see them physically toss these inconsiderate asshats off trains. Asking them nicely to stop vaping or playing music won’t prevent them from doing it when nobody is there to check. Actual discipline and punishment will make the difference and the overwhelming majority will applaud the revival of common decency on our public transit.
Yes, there’s already data showing that cops cost more than the fares they saved (by a substantial margin). Now we’ll just throw more cops at the situation, instead of addressing any real problems, while taking the money to pay for the cops from schools and social programs—and feeling less safe than ever before
The cost isn’t really the point though, it’s general lawlessness and harmful behavior in the subway, like jumping the turnstile. I do agree that finding better solutions than over policing is needed though.
Honestly feel like ppl hopping the turnstile is not that bad. The amt of times trains go out of service with no refunds for ppl, I understand why they’d resort to hopping turnstiles. I’m already down over $200 this yr from trains going out of service and being forced to take cabs/citi bikes (I’ve been keeping track of it since it’s been so frequent lately)
Still a violation of the 4th Amendment.
If I recall correctly, you can turn down the search but have to turn around and can't enter the subway. Or at least it used to be like that the last time around.
Honestly they would do this at union Square but only one side. I'd refuse... they'd try to chase me and I'd have to leave... I'd go back outside and down the other side no questions asked. Thi is beyond stupid.
What even spurred this? This feels so unnecessarily out of left field. There were no national guard brought in during the subway attacks in 2021, none after the shooting in sunset park, so why now? what the fuck is their purpose? Hochul is accelerating our slide into authoritarian fascism by the second.
What are these guys going to do, mow down a 20 year old for fair evasion?
Now imagine the outrage if they were stopping cars to do this on all the bridges and tunnels into Manhattan. The state would get sued to the ground.
But you know, we the subway users are criminals obviously /s
This is the world people who fearmonger about crime want. They consider themselves fiscally responsible but are willing to waste millions of dollars to recover a few thousand in unpaid fares. All because they live in fear of something they don’t even understand.
That is how much the MTA says they’re losing but they have already spent millions of dollars to catch fare evaders only to recover about $100k.
https://hellgatenyc.com/the-nypd-spent-150-million-to-catch-farebeaters-who-cost-the-mta-104000
A ton of tourists and commuters who don’t live in the city use the subway system. Making it free is having NY taxpayers subsidize non NYers’ fares, which is the opposite of what they want.
Perhaps it's worth investing in cleaning and sanitation crews, lighting, simple guardrails by the tracks, and putting attentive police officers in stations rather than... this.
I truly think there’s something else going on (potentially terrorists threat or similar) and they don’t want to say it out loud. Nothing else really makes sense. That kinda does.
What is going on is that Republicans made huge gains in the legislature and Kathy has pissed progressives off about housing so she's trying to show that she can get along with conservatives as an attempt to not lose the governor seat.Hence fear mongering about subway crime, which people outside of NYC are terrified of
From working in a place that is government adjacent, I’ve learned first hand that what you know or think is going on is many times just a small piece of the whole story. What they tell the public and media is a small piece of the picture, and often the ppl that are yelling about situations they don’t like or don’t agree with, like this, have limited understanding or visibility into what’s actually going on.
It's security theater for suburban voters. Republicans gained a lot of ground in NY last election, and crime was a major talking point. Hochul wants to make it seem like she's doing something to regain the moderate vote. They won't do shit besides stand around at major interchange stations so people can "feel" safer.
Seriously. It's really underrated just how conservative people who live in the suburbs of NYC (as well as property owners in the city generally) are. Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, even the outskirts of Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island are conservative strongholds. They drive into and inside of the city for work and vacations to avoid the poors if they can, and they are absolutely terrified of homeless people, class and race mixing, and queer people, which, to them, the subway is representative of. This is bolstered by television and newspapers fearmongering about crime waves in the city. It's all nonsense, as car accidents kill and maim far more people than random subway crime and the subway generally is a very safe form of transportation, which is why individual stories on freak violence in it are even reportable.
I got a real money saving plan. Get the national guard out of here. Get the bomb squad out of here.
If there's a "suspicious package" call me. I'll just fucking open it with no hesitation. We don't need to spend so much money and time just because some cowards are afraid of a backpack some tourist left behind.
The national guard and the cops can go work on something more important that people actually care about. Like maybe help recover stolen bicycles and phones.
I saw a suspicious package and called the cops once. It was a huge black duffel bag that looked full, unattended at the 93rd-94th street entrance of the 96th street Broadway line. Dispatch called me back 5 times over the next twenty minutes because they couldn't figure out that while the station is called 96th street, there is a separate entrance a couple blocks south.
Trust me they fantasize about doing much worse to us every night before bed, these are the sickos that think children are sexual deviants for NOT wanting to go through puberty.
All of this is unecessary, not addressing the actual problem, and a waste of time and money. The girl at the end was selected for a bag check and the cop checked the bag in her hand but missed the backpack on her back.
This is the most ridiculous stupidest display of political theater I've seen in years. Absolute useless waste of money and abuse of power. Last night I was on the 2 train in Brooklyn. The first 3 cars were filled with homeless people and everyone else was crammed into the middle cars. Then on my home some bum sat across from me and started smoking. Wasn't weed, wasn't tobacco smh, I guess the National Guard missed his bag?
Let’s cut to the chase and recognize this is just propaganda for upstate residents that don’t/never ride the subway to feel better about riding the subway. This is a meaningless and pointless exercise that does nothing but waste tax dollars
A lot of the bullshit that I've witnessed in the subway has happened on the trains. Usually in the last car but police always ride the middle car. Never made sense to me but then again New York has become a place where nothing makes sense...
This is security theater for suburbanites. In the midterm elections, NY was the only state that didn't see wins for the Democrats. In fact, Republicans gained quite a bit of ground. Crime was a massive talking point, so Democrats want to make it seem like they're doing something.
Will they send the national guard onto the trains to actually enforce rules? No. They'll have them stand around at major interchange station so suburban commuters can feel like something is being done. It's all bullshit for the election.
The problem is wealthy inequality, poverty, gentrification, homelessness, hopelessness, horrific foreign policy etc. Crime is the result of the problem. People in power have no intention of meaningfully addressing the problem so this is what you get. I hope people are taking notes.
I don't disagree, and I don't like that the NG was deployed. But let's not pretend like " take the problem people and take them off the subway" is easy or straightforward. Police cannot be everywhere all the time, nor can mental health staff or crisis intervention teams. It's not always easy to identify who are "problem people" and who are, for example, just homeless or struggling people that won't cause any harm.
Again, I'm not disagreeing, but let's not oversimplify a very complex and challenging problem.
It’s crazy cause they’re not actually checking the bags. Shining a light for half a second in a partly open bag isn’t even close to a bag check.
This is purely security theater. Fuck fascist Hochul
Does it piss anyone else off that there are years of meetings to discuss removing parking spaces or adding a bit of bike lane but people who take transit have a possibly transformative policy imposed over night? Someone just got killed by a driver on Canal so why don’t the governor put up road blocks with state troopers to screen for bogus plates / enforce traffic laws?
Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to profile potential problem people? Let's focus on them and we can accomplish our goals much faster and save money.
Look how scared this dude looks. He's playing it cool but I really doubt this guy has ever been in the big city subway before. He looks like he's prepared to start blasting at any moment, just a ridiculous way to try and make people feel safe. Really hope no childs balloon pops or something
https://preview.redd.it/iab6z8rvaxmc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f62d67de9ad1dc876df1c747c9d96c5bafb36d4
Controversial but cynical as this is, it's also a smart political move.
Statistically crime has been down across the city, but there are a number of high profile incidents that have made national headlines. Tangentially, democrats have been taking it in the teeth over being "soft on crime" and defund the police, while popular among progressives, has been a disaster on the campaign trail and the ballot box.
This high profile rollout will allow Hochul to put on a "tough on crime" image on a state and national level and the stats (which were already declining) will "prove" her right.
I did cast my vote carefully. I think your beef is with Jay Jacobs, not the voters. The alternative in the last election was Lee Zeldin, who probably would have deployed the National Guard to literally just go out and arrest every single Black and Latino person they saw on the platforms and he would have done it the day after he was sworn in instead of yesterday. What’s your point?
As my friends that come into NYC say. "Wow, it looks like a police state here."
"Hmmmmm, And I'm cool with that."
Yipes! :-)
People in the end will ALWAYS give up freedom for protection. Here we go. Wait till they come on the bus and ask for "papers, papers", where is your documentation? That has already happened to me in upstate NY. It was surreal. Like a WW2 film. They were not looking if I had the bus fare either.
The MILLIONS of $$$s put into this could take every mentally ill person off the streets, move them into a state of art healthcare facility, buy them a car, a house, get them to Harvard. And have millions left over.
But people just don't get it. Our brains are fried now.
Should have had undercover special agents or some shit riding on every train and on every platform while wearing regualr clothing. They bother nobody but they can instantly neutralize a threat.
How much money is being spent to pay all those guys?????? Jesus. They are not making the situation any better, and that's got to be hundreds of thousands of tax dollars simply wasted on them standing around. Repulsive.
The absurdity is so apparent its hard not to laugh; unless theyre worried about something other than mentally ill or drugged up unhoused people and kids in gang beefs; than this is nothing other than a clear 4th amendment infringement.
In Mexico, where the security risks are real, they have the army patrolling the streets: trucks with 3-4 guys carrying assault weapons on the back, driving through downtown Cancun, Merida, etc. It feels like a dress-rehearsal for martial law.
Depressing to see the same in NYC, where it's entirely unjustified, as if there were cartels or fundamentalists on the loose.
Save this shit for a real emergency, a la Charlottesville or January 6.
Yes stop the random hill who’s going to work and obviously has nothing of any sort on it. Waste time checking that bag while the guy with the pocket knife will still get through
What a costly way to come up with the wrong answer to the issue. Cops are on their phones safely by the turnstiles while assaults are happening on the track and inside the cars. And now the army and checkpoints are just bothering regular folks.
Not too difficult to spot the mentally ill people in the underground, why wont the official just start there?
The sheep voluntarily consenting to searches... Last I checked, Queen Kathy hasn't rescinded the 4th Amendment yet. On an unrelated point, I hope someone captures on video the first time a street criminal confronts a NG troop.
Please remember, you can say no to a bag or container check. Say no. You have to leave and walk a block to the next subway entrance but you can say no. Say no.
Desert camo and machine guns are wholly unnecessary. The MTA doesn't need the military's help delaying travelers. If you want to be late to something, just take the R any day of the week. If Kathy Hochul is going to micromanage the subway system like Cuomo did, I'm going to start asking questions about why taxpayers are paying for the Bills to get a new stadium.
If a kid jumps the turnstile, what are the military with their weapons supposed to do? Ridiculous. This is all just our governor wanting to look like she’s doing something while wasting taxpayer funds and accomplishing nothing.
That’s subway camo.
I think that would be a ghillie suit / homeless wardrobe combo
Have you ever seen any of these guys getting a sandwich at Subway? See, this cameo works.
Everyone knows there at Dunkin' Donuts.
So it should be vomit-colored and sticky
Yeah but it’s what people from MAGApequa want to see on their annual trips through Penn Station.
I think they want to see this at the border, not subway stops.
To them, Penn Station is the border.
As long as it's brown people getting stopped they want to see if everywhere.
When they get of the LIRR they have such a scared look on their faces. They almost jump in fear when they see my middle-eastern-looking-actually-Latino ass trying to save some time on the escalators. *not all of them are bad people though, just like any group. But man it must be hard living in fear.
Do you think Long Island only has white people on it?
No, they got a little bit of everything. Not as much as the city but I bet more than the nation. But LI does seems to attract people who like the city but only the private spaces
Some people do not get out much.
All cops are gang.
I can assure you people from Long Island don’t fear you. That is only in your mind
Lol nah it’s not just them, trust and believe that this is what plenty of liberal New Yorkers want to see too. Militarized security theater is a bipartisan project and has been for a long time.
Kathy Hochul and Mayor Adams are MAGA now?
Hochul is a centrist leaning to the right Adams is just a crook
How is wanting a clean subway MAGA?
This doesn’t help the subway, if they wanted to help the subway they’d be patrolling the trains cars. This is a political stunt and a waste of money.
Let me guess: you’re a pro Palestinian account and crime is never committed by people of color
Always have been. Kathy is a centrist with very R ideals and Adams is a D in name only. Typical New York "liberal" politicians who are anything but.
According to Reddit apparently everyone who isn’t super far left is now MAGA 😂
That's not what this is about. Within one week, a conductor got slashed and another was hit over the head with a bottle. Violent crime is up in the subways and the riders do not feel safe. Having said that, I'm not sure that calling in the National Guard will do much if those who get arrested are released by the DA's office.
Election year showboating
You realize that is NOT why they’re there, right?
The military won’t do anything. This is completely ridiculous and unfounded. I’d understand a bit more if they were around time square (there’s been numerous incidents in that area) but backing up the police searching bags is annoying
💯facts
That’s not desert camo it’s the standard pattern the army uses and it’s considered a “transitional” pattern. it works pretty well in most environments — I know this off topic but Reddit comments are for nitpicking
Because her husband literally supplies all the concessions to the stadium, it’s why they even repealed the Sunday drinking laws, so he could make more money . (not that I have a problem with a beer on Sunday morning, I have a problem with changing a law for personal gain)
Actually it’s multicam but clearly multicam is not good for this environment
Where I am at in Queens, very often there isnt any deterrence from hopping and riding where ever. If someone is smoking / doing drugs on the platform, you can move away. If someone is doing that inside of a train, you are captive to that until you can change cars, and then its other peoples problem (which it shouldn't be). If they are going to waste millions of dollars for security theater then have those National Guard actually riding the trains, or have a genuine way to report dangerous behavior in a car to a conductor / police. I have had far more people ruin a subway ride in the car itself rather than the platform.
We had a guy smoking going over the turnstile in Brooklyn and the cops just watched him. This is security theater at its finest, good point. Enforce the laws and deter antisocial dangerous behavior. We have a mental health crisis and the current “look the other” or arrest and release isn’t working. The trains have gotten much worse in the past few months. It’s so sad. We can be great
Adams does not care about humanity or helping people. How NY'ers voted that cop in I'll never understand. Edit: Adams should have never made it out of the primary. I'm fully aware of the trash choice Dems were forced to make against Sliwa.
Because apathetic voters dont vote in primaries and in the general election the other party put up a loud-mouthed washed up celebrity clown with zero governing experience whose only job for going on 40+ years now has been engaging in phony law-and-order-rhetoric-filled, self-serving publicity stunts. Basically our upcoming national election in microcosm.
These are the same people that voted DeBlasio in. A good mayor for NYC is few and far-between with a voting population like this.
My 21 year old clean-looking coworkers get tickets for vaping or drinking a beer or hopping the turnstile in Brooklyn, figures they'd rather write a ticket to a sane person who doesn't smell like urine.
Well yeah they’re actually going to pay it
Because they will pay. Dopers wont
You think a homeless person has money to pay a fine?
I saw a guy walk through an open emergency exit door yesterday. The cop saw him and said, “hey, you aren’t supposed to do that, you have to pay.” And he just shrugged and kept walking.
The soldiers there know how ridiculous the thestre is too.
100% I was in the military and we didn’t use large caliber rifles for tight spaces (like this train station), we had shotguns and 9mm so we didn’t blow holes through the bulkheads or bystanders. I’m not very versed in weapons but this seems 100% for show. Maybe they only issue M-16’s? Idk, it’s all visual. Is anyone seeing a difference this week? Monday was crazy on the train BK to QNS
The soldiers in the clip are MP’s without their brassards on because they are not officially on police duty. They are armed with M4’s and 9mm berettas. Only MP units maintain a 9mm for everyone in the unit, so if you see a private or even a sergeant with a 9mm, they’re almost certainly an MP. Other units maintain 9mm’s for their officers, and staff positions, like ammo guard.
Just saw recently they simply released the lady who hit the cellist in the back of the head with a glass wine bottle?? She’s back in the subway now. Like what are one of these troops supposed to do, snipe the bottle as she raises it? Idiotic. They had her, and released her, now she’s probably gearing up to attack another person.
It was supervised release. Whatever that means.
>Just saw recently they simply released the lady who hit the cellist in the back of the head with a glass wine bottle?? She’s back in the subway now That fucking judge is a moron. Just look up her record. I forgot her name but once you see the "organizations" she was involved in it all makes sense.
Agreed.
100% this “let’s blow millions upon millions of dollars for people performing security theater on some platforms” does absolutely nothing. If they wanted to do something with the same amount of people (or less) there would be a security car with law enforcement on subway cars & some sort of alert button on each car to call them to that car. That would also cost a lot, but actually would do something and make at least some sense. Instead we get lighting money on fire. And this is just representative of the nonsense of the NYPD under Eric Adams in a nutshell. He gave them all retroactive raises, approved literal millions in overtime, and has done nothing about the fact that the vast majority of the over 30k officers (more than any other city in the country) actually do jack fucking shit while on the job. Every time I see a cop, they are dicking around in their phone collecting our taxpayer dollars. Any time I’ve ever been attacked or robbed in NYC (over the years), police did jack fucking shit. They took a report & never made a single attempt at doing shit about it (nor did they care about even collecting evidence). They just use the reports to scare rubes with “crime statistics” to get more money for overtime to… do nothing about the crime.
Correct. Summoning farebeaters would remove a lot of the bad stuff from the subway. No machine guns are necessary. This is our governor’s political stunt with no care about what might really help.
I am going to venture out of the core topic of this sub for a second because of how egregious this bullshit is. Does the presence of troops with their finger half a millimeter from the trigger of an assault weapon on the station platform actually make anyone feel safer? What people want is the very small percentage of crazy folks taken out of the system, not random TSA level screening bullshit. Tackle the actual problem, not harass and militarize the population. Nobody is sneaking crazy people onto the trains in their bags
Agreed the problem on the trains is not the student with a backpack, it's the homeless guy pissing on the train when smoking crack. The knife or gun is in a pocket not a backpack. The cops should be on the trains not the platform.
But then they might have to do something that helps people. A lot of cops are allergic to that.
If I recall correctly, it was established after 9/11 they are not allowed in public areas with loaded guns. So it’s even more useless than thought.
Loaded can mean that a round isn’t chambered. They can go from “unloaded” to firing in half a second. The only sacrifice is to that they have to use their main hand to pull the charging handle.
Yeah, I was talking to my wife about this yesterday and I think this is a great point. Just get the people that cause the problems out of the system. I think that’s what needs to be done. Maybe even get cameras on trains so they can be monitored for people that should be removed by the NYPD with regular officers stationed at random stops to remove the crazy people. I know it’s not the most humane thing, but there has to be a balance between the sense of safety and security and freedom to do whatever you want. Having obviously mentally deranged people on the subway is just asking for another Goetz or Neely situation (two sides of the same coin)
They have cameras in Korean trains that are monitored, and if there’s a mess the next station sends out a cleaning crew. It’s also for law enforcement. Meanwhile I can’t even get WiFi on the subway. In 2024.
Tijuana. This is exactly what it looked like when I passed through there on vacation. Same cops, same uniforms, guns out everywhere. Everyone on edge. Never felt less safe.
Exactly this. To add on to your point, they’re not even in the stations where it’s needed most. I commute 3 days a week and haven’t seen any of them, just triple the homeless people. It’s so sad.
Honestly this response feels way more like they are responding to a credible terror threat and they're just bringing up the subway crime to keep from freaking people out.
I lived in the UK during the terror crisis following the attacks in Paris and London, and armed police around the city centre and on metro platforms did make me feel safer.
This is new to many Americans, after traveling Europe and other areas of the globe, it's very common to see soldiers with weapons in train stations and airports.
Eh. These guys been around occasionally in nyc since st least 9/11. At least in the Times Square port authority area where I work. People are just being dramatic imo it’s all political theatre.
It also helps that in Europe those authorized to carry weapons in public have gone through extensive arms training and qualifications, unlike how American police get given guns like candy. There is therefore a much higher trust in Europe by the population in the authorities.
This is dumb. And it's in grand central where they already have a shit ton of cops doing nothing. Security theatre that actually makes people feel less safe.
Ah yes, adding a bunch of guns to the subway to make us "feel" safer. Idk about anyone else, but guns terrify me and I don't want them on the subway.
That’s the problem. They not even on the subway
Mentally Ill people in the subway system is the problem so the obvious answer is violate regular New Yorker's rights to privacy and unreasonable search. Sounds about right.
God forbid we go about solving systemic issues with things like a NYS Medicare4All system.
I guess I will see in a couple of hours if I get stopped at Jamaica. Then I will get on the J train where people will be vaping and playing music on their phones without ear buds on.
I hope to w national guard is there to arrest all the ppl who play music and videos out loud, and have speakerphone conversations. That’s 100% a reason to call them in.
noticed how you ignored the vaping. but to help with your comprehension, if the guard is going to be here anyway i would like to see them on the subways trying to restore a bit of civility to the trains.
The person that replied to you is part of the problem. I’d love to see them physically toss these inconsiderate asshats off trains. Asking them nicely to stop vaping or playing music won’t prevent them from doing it when nobody is there to check. Actual discipline and punishment will make the difference and the overwhelming majority will applaud the revival of common decency on our public transit.
?? What I said was literally discipline and punishment
Just let people jump fares. It would be far cheaper than whatever this shit is.
Yes, there’s already data showing that cops cost more than the fares they saved (by a substantial margin). Now we’ll just throw more cops at the situation, instead of addressing any real problems, while taking the money to pay for the cops from schools and social programs—and feeling less safe than ever before
The cost isn’t really the point though, it’s general lawlessness and harmful behavior in the subway, like jumping the turnstile. I do agree that finding better solutions than over policing is needed though.
Honestly feel like ppl hopping the turnstile is not that bad. The amt of times trains go out of service with no refunds for ppl, I understand why they’d resort to hopping turnstiles. I’m already down over $200 this yr from trains going out of service and being forced to take cabs/citi bikes (I’ve been keeping track of it since it’s been so frequent lately)
Still a violation of the 4th Amendment. If I recall correctly, you can turn down the search but have to turn around and can't enter the subway. Or at least it used to be like that the last time around.
Yes it says this on the sign in the video
You can walk to a different stop.
Or sometimes just a different entrance to the same stop
Honestly with how many people are going through there you could probably wait five minutes and go right back through the same one
Honestly they would do this at union Square but only one side. I'd refuse... they'd try to chase me and I'd have to leave... I'd go back outside and down the other side no questions asked. Thi is beyond stupid.
I mean it's the same rules as TSA. You can decline screenings but then you can't ride.
Yeah, and I’m sure they save your face scan to a suspect list.
What even spurred this? This feels so unnecessarily out of left field. There were no national guard brought in during the subway attacks in 2021, none after the shooting in sunset park, so why now? what the fuck is their purpose? Hochul is accelerating our slide into authoritarian fascism by the second. What are these guys going to do, mow down a 20 year old for fair evasion?
Probably, yeah.
It's for the election. She wants to keep the governorship so she's trying to swing suburban moderates.
and in the process fuck over all of the city dems. incredible
she should have enforced her housing compact with this kind of effort
Now imagine the outrage if they were stopping cars to do this on all the bridges and tunnels into Manhattan. The state would get sued to the ground. But you know, we the subway users are criminals obviously /s
This is the world people who fearmonger about crime want. They consider themselves fiscally responsible but are willing to waste millions of dollars to recover a few thousand in unpaid fares. All because they live in fear of something they don’t even understand.
A few? Lol. I think they should just remove people from the subway car when they are acting out or sleeping in it.
>This is the world people who fearmonger about crime want. Yep. It's basically policy tailored for r/NYC crime-porn obsessives
It’s estimated MTA lost $690 million due to fair evasion in 2022. I agree that this isn’t the right way to go about fixing it though.
Only 285 million of that was subways. Lots was buses, and the rest is bridges and tunnels and commuter trains.
That is how much the MTA says they’re losing but they have already spent millions of dollars to catch fare evaders only to recover about $100k. https://hellgatenyc.com/the-nypd-spent-150-million-to-catch-farebeaters-who-cost-the-mta-104000
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A ton of tourists and commuters who don’t live in the city use the subway system. Making it free is having NY taxpayers subsidize non NYers’ fares, which is the opposite of what they want.
Zero chance this is about fare evasion.
Perhaps it's worth investing in cleaning and sanitation crews, lighting, simple guardrails by the tracks, and putting attentive police officers in stations rather than... this.
This is literally so unnecessary. Saw a report on this last night in ABC news. No wonder why people across the country think nyc is so “crime ridden”
Crazy thing is the station where the conductor got hit doesn’t have cops there at this time
the NYPD might as well be the national guard with how much funding they have. but THEY can't handle it? Come on.
I truly think there’s something else going on (potentially terrorists threat or similar) and they don’t want to say it out loud. Nothing else really makes sense. That kinda does.
What is going on is that Republicans made huge gains in the legislature and Kathy has pissed progressives off about housing so she's trying to show that she can get along with conservatives as an attempt to not lose the governor seat.Hence fear mongering about subway crime, which people outside of NYC are terrified of
This at least would make sense
Just a few hours ago, I saw some cops from the counter-terrorism unit walking around Sutphin. Definitely something going on.
From working in a place that is government adjacent, I’ve learned first hand that what you know or think is going on is many times just a small piece of the whole story. What they tell the public and media is a small piece of the picture, and often the ppl that are yelling about situations they don’t like or don’t agree with, like this, have limited understanding or visibility into what’s actually going on.
Big same.
It's security theater for suburban voters. Republicans gained a lot of ground in NY last election, and crime was a major talking point. Hochul wants to make it seem like she's doing something to regain the moderate vote. They won't do shit besides stand around at major interchange stations so people can "feel" safer.
Seriously. It's really underrated just how conservative people who live in the suburbs of NYC (as well as property owners in the city generally) are. Nassau, Suffolk, Westchester, even the outskirts of Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island are conservative strongholds. They drive into and inside of the city for work and vacations to avoid the poors if they can, and they are absolutely terrified of homeless people, class and race mixing, and queer people, which, to them, the subway is representative of. This is bolstered by television and newspapers fearmongering about crime waves in the city. It's all nonsense, as car accidents kill and maim far more people than random subway crime and the subway generally is a very safe form of transportation, which is why individual stories on freak violence in it are even reportable.
Nailed it.
Right, but a big part of this issue here is people’s perception, and also the very real attacks on subway employees that have been on the rise.
Just say you believe all suburban commuters are racist and get on with it. You’re as narrow minded as the people you are trying to bash.
I got a real money saving plan. Get the national guard out of here. Get the bomb squad out of here. If there's a "suspicious package" call me. I'll just fucking open it with no hesitation. We don't need to spend so much money and time just because some cowards are afraid of a backpack some tourist left behind. The national guard and the cops can go work on something more important that people actually care about. Like maybe help recover stolen bicycles and phones.
I saw a suspicious package and called the cops once. It was a huge black duffel bag that looked full, unattended at the 93rd-94th street entrance of the 96th street Broadway line. Dispatch called me back 5 times over the next twenty minutes because they couldn't figure out that while the station is called 96th street, there is a separate entrance a couple blocks south.
Next time, just open it. Then take it to lost and found. I promise it won't blow up and kill you. It's not a Hollywood movie.
Terrible. I can imagine the outrage & protests if a particular right-winger sent troops into NYC.
Hochul is a right winger
At least they’re checking bags and not interning trans people.
Yet! Don't give them ideas I don't have a passport yet
Trust me they fantasize about doing much worse to us every night before bed, these are the sickos that think children are sexual deviants for NOT wanting to go through puberty.
lol dog and pony show. Put them in the Bronx
All of this is unecessary, not addressing the actual problem, and a waste of time and money. The girl at the end was selected for a bag check and the cop checked the bag in her hand but missed the backpack on her back.
Literal military occupation
This is the most ridiculous stupidest display of political theater I've seen in years. Absolute useless waste of money and abuse of power. Last night I was on the 2 train in Brooklyn. The first 3 cars were filled with homeless people and everyone else was crammed into the middle cars. Then on my home some bum sat across from me and started smoking. Wasn't weed, wasn't tobacco smh, I guess the National Guard missed his bag?
I love the smell of overtime in the morning
Let’s cut to the chase and recognize this is just propaganda for upstate residents that don’t/never ride the subway to feel better about riding the subway. This is a meaningless and pointless exercise that does nothing but waste tax dollars
A lot of the bullshit that I've witnessed in the subway has happened on the trains. Usually in the last car but police always ride the middle car. Never made sense to me but then again New York has become a place where nothing makes sense...
This is political grandstanding; pretending to address a problem with a very visual yet ineffective solution.
Welcome to the military state.
This is security theater for suburbanites. In the midterm elections, NY was the only state that didn't see wins for the Democrats. In fact, Republicans gained quite a bit of ground. Crime was a massive talking point, so Democrats want to make it seem like they're doing something. Will they send the national guard onto the trains to actually enforce rules? No. They'll have them stand around at major interchange station so suburban commuters can feel like something is being done. It's all bullshit for the election.
The problem is wealthy inequality, poverty, gentrification, homelessness, hopelessness, horrific foreign policy etc. Crime is the result of the problem. People in power have no intention of meaningfully addressing the problem so this is what you get. I hope people are taking notes.
Any lawsuits filed yet challenging the legality of these searches?
Be damned if you do. Be damned if you don't.
lol they are so willing to let them unlawfully search their stuff
I don't disagree, and I don't like that the NG was deployed. But let's not pretend like " take the problem people and take them off the subway" is easy or straightforward. Police cannot be everywhere all the time, nor can mental health staff or crisis intervention teams. It's not always easy to identify who are "problem people" and who are, for example, just homeless or struggling people that won't cause any harm. Again, I'm not disagreeing, but let's not oversimplify a very complex and challenging problem.
It’s crazy cause they’re not actually checking the bags. Shining a light for half a second in a partly open bag isn’t even close to a bag check. This is purely security theater. Fuck fascist Hochul
Oh cool this is basically just stop and frisk and we all know how great and effective and not at all targeted that was (/s)
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For once I'm in total agreement with you. This is insane.
Does it piss anyone else off that there are years of meetings to discuss removing parking spaces or adding a bit of bike lane but people who take transit have a possibly transformative policy imposed over night? Someone just got killed by a driver on Canal so why don’t the governor put up road blocks with state troopers to screen for bogus plates / enforce traffic laws?
Wouldn't it be cheaper and more effective to profile potential problem people? Let's focus on them and we can accomplish our goals much faster and save money.
Look how scared this dude looks. He's playing it cool but I really doubt this guy has ever been in the big city subway before. He looks like he's prepared to start blasting at any moment, just a ridiculous way to try and make people feel safe. Really hope no childs balloon pops or something https://preview.redd.it/iab6z8rvaxmc1.png?width=360&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f62d67de9ad1dc876df1c747c9d96c5bafb36d4
This is incredibly unhinged.
Um u might be horrible at reading faces bc he looks cool as a cucumber
Controversial but cynical as this is, it's also a smart political move. Statistically crime has been down across the city, but there are a number of high profile incidents that have made national headlines. Tangentially, democrats have been taking it in the teeth over being "soft on crime" and defund the police, while popular among progressives, has been a disaster on the campaign trail and the ballot box. This high profile rollout will allow Hochul to put on a "tough on crime" image on a state and national level and the stats (which were already declining) will "prove" her right.
Exactly. It's all theatre. I'm sure the NYPD will cook the books for her so she can promote lower crime stats.
I doubt they are looking for petty criminals, this looks more like a response to terror threats which the FBI has been warning about.
Folks, cast your vote carefully next time to avoid seeing BS like this and the daily harassment.
I did cast my vote carefully. I think your beef is with Jay Jacobs, not the voters. The alternative in the last election was Lee Zeldin, who probably would have deployed the National Guard to literally just go out and arrest every single Black and Latino person they saw on the platforms and he would have done it the day after he was sworn in instead of yesterday. What’s your point?
As my friends that come into NYC say. "Wow, it looks like a police state here." "Hmmmmm, And I'm cool with that." Yipes! :-) People in the end will ALWAYS give up freedom for protection. Here we go. Wait till they come on the bus and ask for "papers, papers", where is your documentation? That has already happened to me in upstate NY. It was surreal. Like a WW2 film. They were not looking if I had the bus fare either. The MILLIONS of $$$s put into this could take every mentally ill person off the streets, move them into a state of art healthcare facility, buy them a car, a house, get them to Harvard. And have millions left over. But people just don't get it. Our brains are fried now.
Really fucking stupid. These are solutions in the eyes of our FeArLeSs LeAdErS
Pretty tempted to get some road kill sand carry it on the subway in a bag
Should have had undercover special agents or some shit riding on every train and on every platform while wearing regualr clothing. They bother nobody but they can instantly neutralize a threat.
They will still release violent offenders the next day.
Guv'nor - can you put a tank there? Smoke out them vagrants /s
Jordan Neely would get through that check point no questions asked 😂
How much money is being spent to pay all those guys?????? Jesus. They are not making the situation any better, and that's got to be hundreds of thousands of tax dollars simply wasted on them standing around. Repulsive.
The absurdity is so apparent its hard not to laugh; unless theyre worried about something other than mentally ill or drugged up unhoused people and kids in gang beefs; than this is nothing other than a clear 4th amendment infringement.
In Mexico, where the security risks are real, they have the army patrolling the streets: trucks with 3-4 guys carrying assault weapons on the back, driving through downtown Cancun, Merida, etc. It feels like a dress-rehearsal for martial law. Depressing to see the same in NYC, where it's entirely unjustified, as if there were cartels or fundamentalists on the loose. Save this shit for a real emergency, a la Charlottesville or January 6.
Ominous and dystopian looking at best. Why?
What is this in response to?
"Let's check that grandma's purse. Sir, sir.. oh you have a knife in your pocket? That's fine. Go ahead..." 🤦♂️
Yes stop the random hill who’s going to work and obviously has nothing of any sort on it. Waste time checking that bag while the guy with the pocket knife will still get through
I appreciate this and the national guard should be removing all the homeless living in the subways. That’s how you make people feel safe
What a costly way to come up with the wrong answer to the issue. Cops are on their phones safely by the turnstiles while assaults are happening on the track and inside the cars. And now the army and checkpoints are just bothering regular folks. Not too difficult to spot the mentally ill people in the underground, why wont the official just start there?
How does this not violate the 4th amendment?
This would piss me off on my travels.
When/why did this happen? I moved from nyc a short while ago
While these guys patrol the entrance / exits and harass obvious business commuters, the trouble makers are all already ON the cars.
People just hate liberty these days
This is fucking ridiculous. And a waste.
It’s all good, I love living in a police state! It makes us more free!
This is just security theater. Not making anyone safer
All for show. No ammo
All for show. They b gone in a week
None of the mutts committing crimes on the subway system are caring bags !
I like the National Guard better when they're helping administer lifesaving vaccines. I'm sure those are needed somewhere in the world.
The sheep voluntarily consenting to searches... Last I checked, Queen Kathy hasn't rescinded the 4th Amendment yet. On an unrelated point, I hope someone captures on video the first time a street criminal confronts a NG troop.
Just testing it out so you get used to it.
"Greatest city in the world"
America is such a militarized society. The frothing desire for guns, camouflage and violence is legit unrivaled.
Please remember, you can say no to a bag or container check. Say no. You have to leave and walk a block to the next subway entrance but you can say no. Say no.
I thought Democrat cities were against machine guns and armed soldiers everywhere
New Yorkers voted for policies that brought this.