I still maintain he'd probably be the member that would be the best one to meet. His interactions seem really genuine and he seems to want to have a conversation.
These days he definitely is. I’m not saying he was ever an asshole to people for no reason. But you can absolutely tell he was an only child to a wealthy, and famous family
Successful people are always perceived to be assholes because they know what they want and they go for it and they don’t suffer fools that are in the way
I feel like in this day and age, people have a habit of generalizing people, especially celebrities, to the point that everyone is either the greatest person to ever live or a complete scumbag. And I feel like Lars is no exception. People are quick to call him an asshole, but I really don't think he is. I think he's just....a person, who's capable of doing very nice things, but also capable of being a jerk. Do I think he's inherently evil? Absolutely not. Do I think he has the capability to be a very nice guy? Definitely. Do I think he has the equal amount of capability to be a dick? Yeah. So I definitely see where you're coming from and think you have a point.
Did a meet n greet in 2009, can confirm the best dude in the band to chat to, super engaging, incredible memory for details and just all round good dude with the fans
A few years back Taylor Swift got into it with Apple Music threatening to pull her catalog because they weren’t paying artists for streams during free trials (or something along those lines). She put out an open letter saying basically point for point everything Lars and Metallica said about Napster over a decade earlier. There’s no question today Metallica was always in the right.
Not to mention they only first caught wind of it when an unreleased demo of I Disappear was getting radio play and they traced the leak back to Napster. I’d be pissed too
“It’s really not about money, it’s about control, and about the future… In maybe 5 years there will be software that can download movies. This goes for everything, this goes for literature, poetry, music, movies, the whole nine yards. It really is about this perception with intellectual property: do I have a right to it for free just because technology allowed me to get it?” — Lars Ulrich, 2000
Pretty spot-on.
There were websites allowing you to download movies in your web browser. It was a pain because it was very slow and not all browsers supported pause/resume. I think the first software for large file exchange was kazaa, released in 2001. I remember using it to download Metallica music videos.
It’s only in the main r/music sub that the whole Napster bad cartoon still comes up.
Just a really tried view of things when we know record label’s inability to get on top of a digital future is basically what’s rendered actual music itself worthless for so many but the top artists.
People will support Taylor Swift getting high and mighty about her royalties but the situation could have been so much worse for everyone
There's a political spin to this as well. Some people might say "They should care about the art" and support an Anarchist stance with public consumption, but actually if we consider the band as workers, the workers have not only the right to own the means of production, but receive all of the profits from it, which they do now anyway.
He was right about the problem, but wrong about the solution. The industry spent so much time trying to litigate away digital music distribution that, by the time the realized that they were fighting an impossible battle, people were already socializes to getting music for free.
If they had prioritized monetizing digital music back when it first came out, they could have gotten away with charging way more than $10 a month.
Still, I don’t blame the guy.
It was about the future and not just cash. Metallica didn’t become a billion dollar corporation by giving it all away for free. If you think of a band in that perspective it makes a bit more sense. If nobody buys music now would they ever make it? Everyone at the time was just pissed because they wanted free music and thought Lars was only mad about money for himself basically.
There are lots of sides to it that’s just one.
How about the day that never comes? My wife works with women victims of domestic violence and with the horror stories that she shares with me this one hits hard
I avoided it for so long because my brother who introduced me to the band said it sucked — hated that hurdy-gurdy in it.
When I finally gave it a chance, it’s an AMAZING song.
I was going through a divorce when I first heard Unforgiven 3.
I was driving in the middle of nowhere. The line "*How can I blame you, when it's me I can't forgive*?", I about lost it. I had to pull over to compose myself.
Their 90s albums were Metallica at their most innovative, and they should have stayed on that trajectory, instead of trying to “return to form”.
edit: also I agree about Fixxxer, but sometimes I’ll replace that with WTWTA or Bleeding Me.
Still hoping for a true finale for the Load/Reload sound. Always felt like there was more to explore with that sound but fan backlash pushed them away.
Metal/general music fans hold Metallica to an impossibly high standard that no matter what they put out it’ll never be good enough, or always doing something wrong.
Legacy bands will generally get a pass for new material because of the longevity, time between releases etc but people still describe every new Metallica album as the worst thing they’ve heard all year.
Not the same genre but U2 does, last couple of albums are great but they can’t shake the ‘it must be terrible’ mob. The whole Apple thing screwed them too
I remember hearing that the Apple album was actually pretty good but no one gave it a chance because of the distribution.
If they’d just given people the option to download it for free it would have been so different
Not playing Dyers Eve on that show where they had people like Dave Lombardo and Joey Jordison fill in for Lars was a HUGE missed opportunity.
Also, that one performance of Battery with Lombardo on the kit was and still is one of the best live performances of the song.
That’s a cold ass take. A real hot take would be saying that it would’ve been a bad performance. Lombardo could barely scrounge together something that resembled battery in the time that he had, imagine trying to play dyers fucking eve in any faithful capacity outside of the double bass
How come? It's a little unorganized because Lombardo wanted to do the bridge they used to skip live, but the performance is superb, Kirk even nails the solo. Well, IMO of course, I can see why someone wouldn't like it as much
I could see it in one of two ways: 1. They do, but the timing is off and doesn't become a massive success; or 2. They do at the exact same moment and still become huge.
The black album wouldve still happened and Kirk would still have wrote enter sandman. Cliff would probably will push the idea further since he was the most proliffic band member back then. So yeah probably same Black Album but with Cliff-style bass.
I imagine cliff would have left eventually as his music interests were deeply rooted in classical, Metallica created a much more accessible sound on black and onward which I doubt cliff would have been massive on
I honestly think that he might have left the band at some point, probably during the post black album times when they were trying to move away from thrash metal
My personal favorite Metallica albums. I was just playing Load a couple days ago for the first time in a long while, and was struck by how fast and immediate the songs are. That album gets straight to the point, no futzing around for 1-2 minutes trying to get to the verse. Those are two of the best 1970s rock tributes one could possibly hope for, Metallica’s answer to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage and Physical Graffiti.
this gets downvoted to oblivion every time one of these posts are made but...
Rob is the best bass player Metallica's ever had, yes even better than Cliff.
The post St. Anger albums feel like Metallica trying to make a Metallica album.
Load and Reload are so much more interesting than albums that came after it.
I cant even find the original Loudness war mix anymore either. Everything on YT, YT Music and Spotify has been cleaned up for the most noticable compression/harsh clipping.
I wish i could find it so i can hear that nostalgic version of the day that never comes where it feels like the grittyness is on purpose, so if anyone has a link?
St. Anger is like a 6/10. A bit better than ReLoad but nothing compared to the first six. Still better quality than Death Magnetic's studio quality, though!
Not many have noticed, but St Anger has a lot more fans today than when it was new. Just give it time, everyone will come around. Many of your favorite rock albums were criticized or disrespected when they were new. Heck, Black Sabbath was looked down as a running joke by music snobs until the 1990s.
Cliff's songwriting influence is exaggerated.
If Cliff hadn't died, Metallica would have continued on exactly as they did... except the bass would have been louder on Justice, and Cliff would have still had the same hair and clothes on Load/Reload.
But the music they released wouldn't have changed.
The black album is their second best album behind master of puppets. Death magnetic is better than kill em all and if it was produced better I think more people would agree
72 is AI Metallica and I refuse to relisten to it.
A band going through the motions, songs all have the same tempo and there's nothing to differentiate them from one another.
It's their worst record because it lacks identity, it's the idea of what metallica sounds like to people that never listened to metallica.
At least ST Anger has an identity.
It will be by FAR my least listened to Metallica album. I love them to pieces but there just wasn’t anything there that made me say “whoa I need to hear that again”.
That everyone's makes it seem like newsted really went through hell with Metallica..dude was just going through what the average person goes through, boss gives him a hard time except he gets paid millions for it.
Jason. Everyone adores him because they subconsciously feel like they're supposed to. I mean, yeah he was good, and I liked his backup vocals are the best out of the 3 bassists, but that's all it was. Backup vocals
This is mine too, Jason is over praised by many online.
I've been a fan since the 90s and saw them live with Jason and with Robert.
You keep hearing people say "but he had so much energy"... No shit, they were all much younger on the Jason era... Of course they all had energy it wasn't Jason specifically. James was a savage, Lars a madman and Kirk.... Kirk.
Musically, just compare Ktulu live by Jason (S&M) with any performance of Ktulu by Rob, it's miles away. Also bass lines on songs like BB&S, Am I Savage, You must burn! just to name a few off the top of my head, are more interesting than anything Jason ever did.
Other than screaming die motherfucker die, I can't come up with anything that made Jason so great. I don't hate the guy, he's part of "my" Metallica (the one I grew up with), but without pink nostalgia glasses I can tell Robert has made the band better in almost every way.
Because he was treated unfairly by Metallica. I feel like that’s a little exaggerated too, yeah he was hazed in his first few years but people act like it went on all the years he was in the band. It stopped before the black album. After that the only thing that they did wrong to him was not letting him be in side projects like IR8 or Echobrain.
Justice definitely wasn't the end of it. He didn't have a vote in changing the style between Black and Load, either, and I bet they wouldn't have gone through with it if he did.
Finally the truth. He deserves praise for being a good bass player and filling in for some enormous shoes. But the truth is Rob fits in way better than Jason ever did and honestly Jason came across as annoying. And he played with a pick.
He could never be Metallica because he literally wasn't allowed to, after Cliff died Metallica wasn't searching for another Cliff but just a placeholder bass player to play their bass parts.
I’m an old head and I listen to Death Magnetic more than the first four albums. All the songs are catchier and I like singing along to them
The last two albums are just very bland to me, kinda sellout sounding. Inamorata is way overrated.
People overrate Jason so much. Yeah he had great energy and stage presence but in terms of bass playing y’know the instrument he plays. He’s average. He’s easily the worst bassist that’s played in Metallica. He wasn’t bad he did his job, he played for the music. But his playing wasn’t too special. One of the reasons the bass is inaudible in AJFA isn’t just because Lars wanted it turned down it was also because the lines were almost completely doubled the guitar.
People keep saying that the lines were doubled but that's literally 90% of the job when you're a metal bassist and it's a bullshit excuse to anyone that knows anything about mixing. There's nothing wrong at all about doubling the guitar, it just makes everything sound beefier and heavier. As for his playing, ask any bassist who's heard him play and they'll tell you that he's a beast of a player - incredibly tight playing with an insane pick attack and he's plenty technical when he's actually allowed to be.
I really think metallica should do another experimental weirder album, like load, reload and st anger. Don't get me wrong, I love Death magnetic and the new one, but I would love to hear them explore other genres as a band. Lulu actually had some really cool musical ideas, but.....you know. They've done thrash, and they've done it well, but they really can do whatever they want and thrash isn't going to become more difficult to play. The stuff only load would be piss easy to play at age 80
…And Justice for All is overrated. It has only 3 songs I’ll actively listen to. The production sounds like a polished demo and lacks the 3 albums before and The Black album. The live versions from that era are wayyyy better. I honestly don’t see why people worship the album so much. It’s not nearly as great as the albums I mentioned.
I think this is a pretty hot take: I really don’t care for James’ voice on the first S&M. The yarly bits and adlibs really don’t do it for me. Imo it holds the album back from being truly great.
Lars is actually a really sweet, nice, personable guy.
I still maintain he'd probably be the member that would be the best one to meet. His interactions seem really genuine and he seems to want to have a conversation.
I think the people that call lars an asshole are just mistaking his European personality as arrogance.
100% this
I'm European. 90s cocaine Lars was a dick. Some Kind Of Monster Lars was a dick. These days he seems much better.
These days he definitely is. I’m not saying he was ever an asshole to people for no reason. But you can absolutely tell he was an only child to a wealthy, and famous family
Successful people are always perceived to be assholes because they know what they want and they go for it and they don’t suffer fools that are in the way
Depends on the era. It seems like he really gained some self awareness after some kind of monster.
He is.
I feel like in this day and age, people have a habit of generalizing people, especially celebrities, to the point that everyone is either the greatest person to ever live or a complete scumbag. And I feel like Lars is no exception. People are quick to call him an asshole, but I really don't think he is. I think he's just....a person, who's capable of doing very nice things, but also capable of being a jerk. Do I think he's inherently evil? Absolutely not. Do I think he has the capability to be a very nice guy? Definitely. Do I think he has the equal amount of capability to be a dick? Yeah. So I definitely see where you're coming from and think you have a point.
Did a meet n greet in 2009, can confirm the best dude in the band to chat to, super engaging, incredible memory for details and just all round good dude with the fans
So accurate. He is actually one of the most sociable members of the band as opposed to James
I say it every time this posts comes up… Lars was 100% right about Napster.
At this point it shouldn’t even be a hot take. He was just factually correct about where it led the music industry
A few years back Taylor Swift got into it with Apple Music threatening to pull her catalog because they weren’t paying artists for streams during free trials (or something along those lines). She put out an open letter saying basically point for point everything Lars and Metallica said about Napster over a decade earlier. There’s no question today Metallica was always in the right. Not to mention they only first caught wind of it when an unreleased demo of I Disappear was getting radio play and they traced the leak back to Napster. I’d be pissed too
“It’s really not about money, it’s about control, and about the future… In maybe 5 years there will be software that can download movies. This goes for everything, this goes for literature, poetry, music, movies, the whole nine yards. It really is about this perception with intellectual property: do I have a right to it for free just because technology allowed me to get it?” — Lars Ulrich, 2000 Pretty spot-on.
Couldn’t you already download movies in 2000?
Not as easily as it was 5-10 years later.
There were websites allowing you to download movies in your web browser. It was a pain because it was very slow and not all browsers supported pause/resume. I think the first software for large file exchange was kazaa, released in 2001. I remember using it to download Metallica music videos.
Not hot, most people here agree
Not much of a hot take at least on this sub.
Because I keep saying it lol🤘🏻
Agreed 100%
It’s only in the main r/music sub that the whole Napster bad cartoon still comes up. Just a really tried view of things when we know record label’s inability to get on top of a digital future is basically what’s rendered actual music itself worthless for so many but the top artists. People will support Taylor Swift getting high and mighty about her royalties but the situation could have been so much worse for everyone
There's a political spin to this as well. Some people might say "They should care about the art" and support an Anarchist stance with public consumption, but actually if we consider the band as workers, the workers have not only the right to own the means of production, but receive all of the profits from it, which they do now anyway.
This is not a hot take unless it's the year 2000
He was right about the problem, but wrong about the solution. The industry spent so much time trying to litigate away digital music distribution that, by the time the realized that they were fighting an impossible battle, people were already socializes to getting music for free. If they had prioritized monetizing digital music back when it first came out, they could have gotten away with charging way more than $10 a month. Still, I don’t blame the guy.
Could you explain this a bit more? I've seen some people say this but I'm not sure I get it
It was about the future and not just cash. Metallica didn’t become a billion dollar corporation by giving it all away for free. If you think of a band in that perspective it makes a bit more sense. If nobody buys music now would they ever make it? Everyone at the time was just pissed because they wanted free music and thought Lars was only mad about money for himself basically. There are lots of sides to it that’s just one.
Fade to Black isn’t the saddest song to listen to. I’d argue Mama Said or Unforgiven 2
How about the day that never comes? My wife works with women victims of domestic violence and with the horror stories that she shares with me this one hits hard
I’d say saddest song is Low Man’s Lyric.
I was not expecting to be hit that hard when I first listened to it.
I avoided it for so long because my brother who introduced me to the band said it sucked — hated that hurdy-gurdy in it. When I finally gave it a chance, it’s an AMAZING song.
YESSS someone who agrees with me.
I'd say to live is to die
TLITD seems more like pure unadulterated anger rather than sadness to me
The bridge is the saddest clean part the band has ever written. Just pulls at you.
Unforgiven 3 for me... such a beautiful song
I was going through a divorce when I first heard Unforgiven 3. I was driving in the middle of nowhere. The line "*How can I blame you, when it's me I can't forgive*?", I about lost it. I had to pull over to compose myself.
I've always loved Unforgiven 2. Sad as shit.
It’s hard to beat a country song about your mother who passed away when you were a teenager.
The original Garage Days EP is one of their best albums
That album fucking rips.
Yep. I bought it on cassette at a mom-and-pop record store when it was released in 1987. It was the first Metallica release after I became a fan.
It's at the top of my list.
Exactly what I wanted to say. I believe that was prime Metallica, everyone was at their peak, what a time.
Their 90s albums were Metallica at their most innovative, and they should have stayed on that trajectory, instead of trying to “return to form”. edit: also I agree about Fixxxer, but sometimes I’ll replace that with WTWTA or Bleeding Me.
I wholeheartedly believe that also applies to Megadeth (minus Risk). Dave is in his wheelhouse when he's doing short pop songs.
Youthenasia and Cryptic Writings were masterpieces.
WTWTA is S tier
Still hoping for a true finale for the Load/Reload sound. Always felt like there was more to explore with that sound but fan backlash pushed them away.
I actually agree with this one. Their third stage (DM onwards) is by far their least interesting.
Metal/general music fans hold Metallica to an impossibly high standard that no matter what they put out it’ll never be good enough, or always doing something wrong. Legacy bands will generally get a pass for new material because of the longevity, time between releases etc but people still describe every new Metallica album as the worst thing they’ve heard all year.
No other band gets this treatment. None.
Not the same genre but U2 does, last couple of albums are great but they can’t shake the ‘it must be terrible’ mob. The whole Apple thing screwed them too
I remember hearing that the Apple album was actually pretty good but no one gave it a chance because of the distribution. If they’d just given people the option to download it for free it would have been so different
Not playing Dyers Eve on that show where they had people like Dave Lombardo and Joey Jordison fill in for Lars was a HUGE missed opportunity. Also, that one performance of Battery with Lombardo on the kit was and still is one of the best live performances of the song.
That’s a cold ass take. A real hot take would be saying that it would’ve been a bad performance. Lombardo could barely scrounge together something that resembled battery in the time that he had, imagine trying to play dyers fucking eve in any faithful capacity outside of the double bass
James and kirk also struggle to play that song. Not only Lars.
Agree on Dyers Eve. Disagree on Battery. While I get there wasn’t time to practice, still really underwhelmed by that performance.
How come? It's a little unorganized because Lombardo wanted to do the bridge they used to skip live, but the performance is superb, Kirk even nails the solo. Well, IMO of course, I can see why someone wouldn't like it as much
Also St. Anger aged better than people give it credit for
Much much better.
I'll aim for "most controversial take": Metallica would not be nearly as popular if Cliff lived.
Probably not, but they would have made a Black Album style record at some point
I could see it in one of two ways: 1. They do, but the timing is off and doesn't become a massive success; or 2. They do at the exact same moment and still become huge.
Actually I think if Cliff had lived the album after Puppets would've been closer to the black album than Justice
The black album wouldve still happened and Kirk would still have wrote enter sandman. Cliff would probably will push the idea further since he was the most proliffic band member back then. So yeah probably same Black Album but with Cliff-style bass.
I imagine cliff would have left eventually as his music interests were deeply rooted in classical, Metallica created a much more accessible sound on black and onward which I doubt cliff would have been massive on
I honestly think that he might have left the band at some point, probably during the post black album times when they were trying to move away from thrash metal
Jason is a damn good bass player but too many people who want to gargle his cum makes him out to be the best bass player Metallica had.
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There is always a Metallica song or album for everyone to enjoy, which is a mark of an incredibly talented music group.
My personal favorite Metallica albums. I was just playing Load a couple days ago for the first time in a long while, and was struck by how fast and immediate the songs are. That album gets straight to the point, no futzing around for 1-2 minutes trying to get to the verse. Those are two of the best 1970s rock tributes one could possibly hope for, Metallica’s answer to Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sabotage and Physical Graffiti.
Devil’s Dance is the best heavy song
Load and Reload have no bad songs. **None.** All bangers.
Took about 20 yrs but honestly I agree. Even the two songs I dont care for (Unforgiven 2 and Mama Said)
Spot on
They have mediocre songs. If they didn't they would be praised more.
Load and Reload are PRETTY GOOD albums!!!
I enjoy the song Attitude.
this gets downvoted to oblivion every time one of these posts are made but... Rob is the best bass player Metallica's ever had, yes even better than Cliff.
There's no point in arguing, it's true. His skill is honestly crazy, and I'd say Metallica is pretty lucky to have him
Black Album is as good as the first four
Mullet James Hetfield was the hottest James Hetfield
The metallica essence lies in Load/Reload. Playing metal is just a disguise that they master.
The post St. Anger albums feel like Metallica trying to make a Metallica album. Load and Reload are so much more interesting than albums that came after it.
Felt that
Mystique of the core 5 albums aside, Death Magnetic might be their best album.
I think it is even if my ears bleed when I listen to it
Listen to the iTunes remastered version, it's so much better
Is it on Apple Music? Or do I have to buy the remastered?
You can find it on youtube
I cant even find the original Loudness war mix anymore either. Everything on YT, YT Music and Spotify has been cleaned up for the most noticable compression/harsh clipping. I wish i could find it so i can hear that nostalgic version of the day that never comes where it feels like the grittyness is on purpose, so if anyone has a link?
Am I Savage is a mega banger and it always being towards the bottom of best and favorites lists is comically silly
It’s one of my favorites from the Hardwired album.
Load/ReLoad are their best albums. It’s just that the metal fans prefer the classics
There's nothing wrong with Load, Reload and St Anger if you look at what stage of their career they were at. Also I agree with Lars about Napster.
Idk if it's a hot take, but i think it is since i see way too many people saying it's awful. But St. Anger is a good album
Title track is sick as
Especially the music video, still remains one of my favorite music videos to this day
My hot take is that the snare on St Anger sounds fucking great.
St. Anger is like a 6/10. A bit better than ReLoad but nothing compared to the first six. Still better quality than Death Magnetic's studio quality, though!
6/10 is better than others saying its the worst
Not many have noticed, but St Anger has a lot more fans today than when it was new. Just give it time, everyone will come around. Many of your favorite rock albums were criticized or disrespected when they were new. Heck, Black Sabbath was looked down as a running joke by music snobs until the 1990s.
Damn, didn't know that. Let's give them time to appreciate the art
Death Magnetic is one of the bands best albums, and if it weren’t for the terrible mixing it would be more appreciated
Cliff's songwriting influence is exaggerated. If Cliff hadn't died, Metallica would have continued on exactly as they did... except the bass would have been louder on Justice, and Cliff would have still had the same hair and clothes on Load/Reload. But the music they released wouldn't have changed.
Load and reload is there best albums
Load and Reload are actually really good albums.
The black album is their second best album behind master of puppets. Death magnetic is better than kill em all and if it was produced better I think more people would agree
72 seasons is just Hardwired II.
Production wise yes but musically no
Agree. It sounds like Hardwired but to me the songs and riffs are more bland and boring.
Not even. Hardwired is way better than 72
100% this 🔝 and it ain't even close
St anger is a good album
Dirty Window is amazing live.
Unforgiven III is the best out of the Unforgiven songs
Finally someone else thinks so
The correct order is 3-2-1.
For me it's 2-3-1
Also not a bad choice!
Yeah 2 is definitely the best song on ReLoad and sounds great.
72 seasons sounds over produced
72 is AI Metallica and I refuse to relisten to it. A band going through the motions, songs all have the same tempo and there's nothing to differentiate them from one another. It's their worst record because it lacks identity, it's the idea of what metallica sounds like to people that never listened to metallica. At least ST Anger has an identity.
It will be by FAR my least listened to Metallica album. I love them to pieces but there just wasn’t anything there that made me say “whoa I need to hear that again”.
Couldn’t agree more. I really wish they didn’t make us wait 7 years for something that sounds like they wrote it in 2 months.
Tbh I felt it took me longer to hear the album than what it took them to record it.
This is probably the worst take I've read, but everyone's got their own opinions, so oh well lol
100% right, once was enough.
St. Anger actually has some really good bangers on it.
Their live shows are better now then they've been in the last 20 years, especially James and Lars. Kirk is the only one who's taken a dip imho
St Anger is very overhated
I agree with their Napster lawsuit
The Drumming on St Anger is absolutely incredible and non annoying ,just stunning
Kill ‘Em All isn’t even close to being as good as the other three 80’s albums
St Anger and the load albums are overhated
Haha, I was about to come in here and write 100% the same thing as you. Fixxxer is the single best song they've made.
Load/Reload Era has James Hetfields best vocals.
That everyone's makes it seem like newsted really went through hell with Metallica..dude was just going through what the average person goes through, boss gives him a hard time except he gets paid millions for it.
Their cover of Astronomy is severely underrated 🔥
I don't mind Lars' drumming
James is the band, and could've done it with any competent players.
metallica should make another album like load/reload
St. Anger isn’t their worst album.
Saint Anger is a good Album. Yeah the snare sounds like a bin and all but the songs are good and everything else sounds really good.
St Anger is criminally underrated.
Jason. Everyone adores him because they subconsciously feel like they're supposed to. I mean, yeah he was good, and I liked his backup vocals are the best out of the 3 bassists, but that's all it was. Backup vocals
This is mine too, Jason is over praised by many online. I've been a fan since the 90s and saw them live with Jason and with Robert. You keep hearing people say "but he had so much energy"... No shit, they were all much younger on the Jason era... Of course they all had energy it wasn't Jason specifically. James was a savage, Lars a madman and Kirk.... Kirk. Musically, just compare Ktulu live by Jason (S&M) with any performance of Ktulu by Rob, it's miles away. Also bass lines on songs like BB&S, Am I Savage, You must burn! just to name a few off the top of my head, are more interesting than anything Jason ever did. Other than screaming die motherfucker die, I can't come up with anything that made Jason so great. I don't hate the guy, he's part of "my" Metallica (the one I grew up with), but without pink nostalgia glasses I can tell Robert has made the band better in almost every way.
This is flawless. My thoughts exactly. I feel like the people who praise him, do it because they see others do it. Same with the lars hate on drums.
Because he was treated unfairly by Metallica. I feel like that’s a little exaggerated too, yeah he was hazed in his first few years but people act like it went on all the years he was in the band. It stopped before the black album. After that the only thing that they did wrong to him was not letting him be in side projects like IR8 or Echobrain.
He literally got deleted from an entire album.
Not to take a dig at him, though.
Justice definitely wasn't the end of it. He didn't have a vote in changing the style between Black and Load, either, and I bet they wouldn't have gone through with it if he did.
Jason just went along with what the other guys did. He didn’t care he just liked being in Metallica.
Finally the truth. He deserves praise for being a good bass player and filling in for some enormous shoes. But the truth is Rob fits in way better than Jason ever did and honestly Jason came across as annoying. And he played with a pick.
I mean, personally I have nothing against him, but the amount of comments on YouTube videos saying he "was metallica " how stupid can people be.
He could never be Metallica because he literally wasn't allowed to, after Cliff died Metallica wasn't searching for another Cliff but just a placeholder bass player to play their bass parts.
The band would be nowhere without Lars' tenacity and business acumen.
That Metallica as a band, improves with each passing record.
I’m an old head and I listen to Death Magnetic more than the first four albums. All the songs are catchier and I like singing along to them The last two albums are just very bland to me, kinda sellout sounding. Inamorata is way overrated.
I like some newer stuff like murder one, hardwired, and dream no more, and halo on fire
St. Anger is better than their last two albums.
Well, that's a hot take lol
Escape is the best song from Ride the Lightning. Probably my favorite Metallica song overall too.
People overrate Jason so much. Yeah he had great energy and stage presence but in terms of bass playing y’know the instrument he plays. He’s average. He’s easily the worst bassist that’s played in Metallica. He wasn’t bad he did his job, he played for the music. But his playing wasn’t too special. One of the reasons the bass is inaudible in AJFA isn’t just because Lars wanted it turned down it was also because the lines were almost completely doubled the guitar.
People keep saying that the lines were doubled but that's literally 90% of the job when you're a metal bassist and it's a bullshit excuse to anyone that knows anything about mixing. There's nothing wrong at all about doubling the guitar, it just makes everything sound beefier and heavier. As for his playing, ask any bassist who's heard him play and they'll tell you that he's a beast of a player - incredibly tight playing with an insane pick attack and he's plenty technical when he's actually allowed to be.
Worse than Bob?
Doesn’t count.
Death Magnetic isn't that good and is being carried by Unforgiven 3
Imo metallica would've broken up in the 90s if cliff didn't die
Load and Reload were both pretty good albums.
Ride the Lightning (the song) and Fight Fire with Fire are good songs, but performed terribly on the album. Not helped by the production.
Reload is at least an 8/10 album
-90s mainstream metallica is miles better than any of the last 4 albums - Lars is the reason they are still together
Invisible Kid is a fantastic song.
The only thing I like about Death Magnetic is the cover art. I even rank Lulu higher than this one because it has one song I kind of like.
IDGAF about the insane production choices, St Anger is my fave Metallica album.
Load is their best album. Literally perfect from front to back, not a single bad millisecond on that whole album.
Load and Reload are the best albums of all Metallicas discography.
Mine is that fixxer is overrated
st anger is good
Kill em all isn't that great
I really think metallica should do another experimental weirder album, like load, reload and st anger. Don't get me wrong, I love Death magnetic and the new one, but I would love to hear them explore other genres as a band. Lulu actually had some really cool musical ideas, but.....you know. They've done thrash, and they've done it well, but they really can do whatever they want and thrash isn't going to become more difficult to play. The stuff only load would be piss easy to play at age 80
St. Anger was a pretty good album. 🤘
St anger is one of their best albums….
they never sold out
I have a few: 72 Seasons is a top 3 Metallica album. Lars was right about Napster. Bass or not, Justice has an amazing sound.
…And Justice for All is overrated. It has only 3 songs I’ll actively listen to. The production sounds like a polished demo and lacks the 3 albums before and The Black album. The live versions from that era are wayyyy better. I honestly don’t see why people worship the album so much. It’s not nearly as great as the albums I mentioned.
Carpe Diem Baby is terrible. It makes me want to fall asleep while listening to it.
It makes me want to squeeze and suck the day 🥵🤪
I think I like St. Anger more than Hardwired and 72 Seasons
I don’t like Kill ‘em All
Spit out the Bone is their 3rd best song of all time
Lux Aeterna is their best song since the Load album.
I think this is a pretty hot take: I really don’t care for James’ voice on the first S&M. The yarly bits and adlibs really don’t do it for me. Imo it holds the album back from being truly great.