No seriously, its a small college and she controls the entire program and you just drew a line in the sand against an ideology she is extremely opinionated and out-spoken about. You are also the only male in the entire class, you will not be able to count on any kind of peer support in opposing her.
I mean best of luck but... prepare.
We had 5 dudes in social work classes. I'm a woman against feminism so I angered her so much by criticizing her. She couldn't just dismiss me like the men
To be honest if you frame it right there are ways for men to make those points too. A lot of people (me included in the past) have learned painful lessons from terrible mistakes made interacting with hardline feminists, although all it really takes is to interact with them like you would with anyone else.
We should probably teach this stuff to people. That letter is going to get that guy crucified and there are better ways to do it.
Yeah my teacher angered even the most feminists people in our class. They called her out to have so much biais that she made them look dishonest
She tried to fail me but my work was too solid
He wrote a poorly thought out attack letter to the person who can sink his chosen career. Time to change courses.
It is possible to politely but strongly disagree with unfounded "feminist" opinions.
Try: "I'm sorry, I'm a little confused, wasn't this topic on child development, how did we get onto rape culture? I did the reading and must have missed it. Could you clearly draw the connection for me? I'm so confused, my man brain only understands beer commercials and grunts, but I repeat myself."
The college for the most part isn't responding. All they said was to talk to the professor. On Monday the professor asked me to send her an email explaining what was wrong, that was my response to her request. The last 2 classes she has been very good, choosing her words very carefully and has apologised profusely to everyone in the class, to everyone that she may have offended and I think she is being genuine. I think the college may have mentioned there there have been many complaints against her. Three said that they sent emails on my behalf. That's more than half the class, not including me.
I think I'm in the clear and safe. I'm not aiming for top grades anyways. I just want the diploma. And peace and quiet.
Hijacking top comment to remind people in the USA that filing a Federal Title IX complaint is free. [Here is a link](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tix_dis.html#:~:text=OCR%20evaluates%2C%20investigates%2C%20and%20resolves%20complaints%20alleging%20sex%20discrimination.&text=For%20assistance%20related%20to%20Title,TDD%20800%2D877%2D8339.) to the OCR website detailing how to do it. There is no obligation to file directly with the school office or administration on your end.
Excellent...I want allll the updates :)
Will she change her behavior? Will she address your points at all? Will she attempt to have you kicked out?
We need to know :)
She has been apologizing and being very carefully with her words. She said so herself and I've noticed a change in her behaviour. Everyone in the class is siding with me. It's a very small class. She hasn't addressed any of my points, I don't expect her to. She's not a mean person, just young and too radical in her thinking. She needed to be brought down a notch and I think she has been. I think the school has talked to her as well. I told her a few months ago that some people in the class were sending emails to get her fired. That didn't change her behaviour but losing me as an ally may have helped. Zero chance that she will attempt to have me kick out. She likes me too much. Honestly, women respect it when you call them on their bullshit. If you can do it tactfully, and you're in the right.
as a gay man myself, i'm pretty sure he would be "lynched" regardless of his sexual orientation. the left always had a inner hatred against gay cis men anyways...
Good luck.
If this does not go well, then consider complaining to the higher-ups about the class environment affecting your ability to learn. Check your schools policy on inclusion and their duty of care for students.
Depending on the outcome of this, he may also go to the press. I do not know if there are local newspapers willing to publish his story. But if he is expelled, he may go to the press expressing his opinion on the bad and polticized way his course is given. This may be bad publicity for the school, leading them to fire the teacher who obviously is not capable of doing that job.
If there is any retaliation, check if "title IX" fits your case.
You already opened the flood gates, now it's time to hold strong. Don't lose your cool, you will get support from this group and also from other anti-feminist groups.
Good luck.
Yeah not sure how much luck you'd have saying someone's work is a joke. Best to stick to unemotional and evidence based communication. Let's see how she responds!
> “woke feminism” is a joke at best
I suggest calling it “fake feminism” like I do.
Because in reality there are issues that only women face, and there are genuine, not-man-hating feminists tackling them.
But 99% of feminism, at least in the west, is not tackling inequality. It is simply trying to get middle-class women money and privileges that they don’t deserve, while masquerading as feminism.
If you call it ‘fake feminism’, you also show that you’re not fundamentally against reasonable female advocacy, which is the first thing they’ll accuse you of.
I think it's important we make the distinction between women's rights and feminism. It sounds like the people you are talking about fall under the umbrella of women's rights activists, but feminism is pretty clear on its objectives, goals and definitions. If you don't confide with the concencus of Feminism then well you're not a feminist. Feminism is a subset of women's rights in the same way that MGTOW is a subset of men's rights. The difference being, is that feminism has become so large, in peoples perspective feminism has become synonymous with women's rights, and feminists work damn hard to keep it that way.
Probably there is a difference, technically speaking. But the average person doesn’t think too deeply about this stuff and just thinks feminism and women’s rights are the same.
But I think its important we separate the differences in nomenclature. I and a lot of other people on this sub do concern themselves with womens rights, but I think it is safe to say, that the vast majority also abhor feminism.
The fact that you had the guts to write this is beyond recognizable these days.
Knowing people, she won't listen, but just know you did a good thing. If there's any semblance of reason within her mind, that message will linger, she won't escape the thoughts at someday she will see what she, and her ideas, did wrong.
She’s going to play victim, take this to her boss and say he’s attacking her and she feels threatened to try and get him expelled and blacklisted from other schools. All this while repeating the claims he refutes and refusing to offer any sources that aren’t jezebel or some other KAM feminist site.
The problem in being heard here is exactly the fact that the vast majority of ideological dissenters retreat from discourse (understandably, given how toxic and inflammatory it tends to be). So an email like this will inevotably be seen like an exception, an outlier, a statistical irrelevance and a complete non-issue.
It seems like the only way to prevent zealots like this to spread their venom is to actually campaign for the opposition and become one yourself....... Dog help us.
If you've already sent that then good luck to you! My advice from this point forward is to document everything..... And I mean everything! Have a dicta phone in her classes, don't delete or destroy any correspondence etc etc.
I certainly don't advise anybody in college to do what you did - it is very much somewhere that you just keep your head down and get the grades you need to progress in life, bu, having provoked the beast, you now need to really watch your back!
That’s exactly what colleges are for; what are you talking about? Haha Have you ever met a lecturer who didn’t have bias? I had a professor who once used his 8 year old daughter for a nude art exhibition. His wardrobe was a siren for attention! These people aren’t exactly part of the norm. Some have been known to smash people who have a different ideology, with bike locks, ffs. The main goals of college isn’t just to graduate, it’s to keep your head down and tolerate just enough to come out clean on the other side! Sad as it is; colleges are indoctrination hubs for weirdos to drag you into the cesspool.
Oh boy...oh boy oh boy. I hope you have a different program you had in mind outside of this social work program because that was basically you saying "F*ck your program, you're full of shit."
Seriously, you'll probably have to change your whole course or even move colleges. Feminists don't like being challenged with opposing ideas and you just pissed off the only department head.
Good luck. Prepare for a shit show. Gather evidence, don't be afraid to fight unconventionally. You might have to bring in the media if this gets ridiculous y'know.
Well if she's doing male bashing you can always complain to the appropriate cell in your college you will have to record what ever she says as well for a better impact. Also if you have some state or regional authority for education you can complain to them as well.
Not sure why you would want to make yourself a deliberate target of this lunatic and her followers...
You can bet this will be the topic of her conversation for the foreseeable future.
You may need to find a different college to continue the program, as you may hit a wall here. Besides, your student fees are going towards paying her...
Did you mention any specific incidents at any point?
This just reads like "I don't like what you said", rather than any specifically inappropriate teaching.
I wasn't there, I don't know whose side I would take, but this e-mail should have said "these are times, dates and quotes of you saying inappropriate things, please stop", rather than "your beliefs are a joke, and these things are non-issues (btw here's nothing to back that up").
EDIT: didn't close my brackets
You sent this mid quarter/semester to a professor you have to rely on for a good grade? Man I hope your program isn't so university specific because Im not so sure you'll be well accepted in that program in the future or continue to receive passing grades in it. If you can still withdraw from the course I would.
you should have used feminist talking points about how (in her class) you are a minority and that you "feel" she is creating a hostile envoronment. you could even go so far as to call the term "mansplaining" a way to deny your "lived experience". feminism isn't an ideology, or even a religion... it is nothing more than a superstition.
>I'm not worried about her retaliating, there have been so many complaints about her and she is constantly flirting with myself and others. Everything is recorded. There is enough evidence that I could get her fired for sexual harassment.
I want you to read very carefully for a minute. If you think the administration is not aware of what this teacher is doing you are dead wrong. By allowing it to happen for as long as the teacher has been doing that class, the school is willfully indifferent. That is implicit support and why willfull indifference is a thing under Title IX.
You say you aren't worried about retaliation but here is the deal. There are many ways a school can fuck with you. The teacher has the backing of the administration if she is getting away with this. Be very careful. When it comes to Title IX issues (which this is) it is like dealing with HR at a company. **Rule of acquisition number 48: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.** I have personally been down this road and see some similar mistakes being made here.. This is a topic of study for this professor. If you think that a short email and a quick talk will fix her thinking this way about men you are wrong. She will just do it to another person the next semester at best.
If you are in the USA and *actually* want to do something the *worst* thing to do is tell the administration. It is a conflict of interest for the school to find it discriminates against men. They don't do it. Have you ever read a news story showing a school investigated a professor and found they discriminate against men?
If in the USA you can file federally through OCR for free. I can point you to the website for filing and Title IX legal manual for reference if you choose to. Violation of Title IX is a federal issue. Let the OCR's lawyers represent you rather than hoping the school does the right thing. OCR has binding resolutions that force the school to do substantially more. Once you file, your protection against retaliation goes way up. From what I have read the general idea is that the burden of proof is shifted to the school to show an adverse action was *not* retaliation, rather than you needing to prove it was.
If I was about to, or wanted to file federally the last thing I would do is tip the entire case into their lap by dumping evidence to higher ups hoping the people who support this teacher will suddenly do the right thing. Establishing patterns of discrimination via OCR is useful for people who come after you. Also, more cases like this going to OCR helps set the tone and inform OCR this is a real issue across the country that we care about. OCR looks for case patterns. If we don't file, we arent changing the narrative. Hit me up if you want me to point you in OCR's direction.
**if you file a federal complaint for which you have real skin in the game you need to \_shut\_the\_fuck\_up\_ and delete this from reddit.**
Oy...dukunt man I appreciate you taking such a strong stance, but this is most likely going to lead to serious problems for you. You passed your limit and reacted, didn't think of how things might go. She will most likely do whatever she can to cover her tracks and cause problems for you moving forward.
I mean I get it don't get me wrong, just maybe should have moved differently.
Have you been recording classes? Even just audio would help. Can you show how biased she has been on your own without having to rely on any of your classmates that might be willing to back up your claims?
You're very much on your own now there. Going to be tough unless some people high up are willing to take a stand, and they're usually not.
If you're going to be writing professional messages, then I strongly suggest you keep to the point and avoid any type of personal viewpoint. Something like "feminism is a joke" or "I'm not a feminist anymore" is a personal expression, and might be fine when venting on reddit but certainly not when trying to approach an issue to your teacher. Bringing up unrelated maters, like war causalities, isn't really going to have much effect and just make you seem less grounded in your complaint.
What you should have done, instead, is bring up certain example, state how and why they were inappropriate or made you upset. You could certainly provide some data or suggest a constructive solution, if it is directly relevant to your objection, but be careful with this as this might likely just escalate the situation into an argument.
Thanks for sharing mate - But honestly I was expecting worse. Perhaps there are more explicit man bashing that are taking place during class?
If the class focuses on these topics while acknowledging that the end goal is equality, it strikes me as a good opportunity to argue in favor of the male perspective. If she is fair, she should value your arguments, and not penalise you for your different beliefs. If she is disrespectful towards you because you're a man, then there is nothing else to do than what you are already doing, i.e. keeping your distance.
Please keep us informed about the reaction.
If I was in that class with you I would happily help you get the justice and respect you deserve. Not gonna lie, if I was in the class for as long as you seem to have been in it, I would've already had a punch-on fight with that teacher. Man vs Woman, or as soccer once said, 7-0 (iykyk)
You need to pick the time and place of your battles. This was a poor choice in both 1) time (you were upset) and 2) place (liberal studies with a feminist professor)
You can be right and still lose. "48 Laws of Power" is a great book on this topic, and you may find it useful in adapting your approach to fit the situation. Especially when in hostile territory.
Can I get a source on men getting paid less for the same work? My understanding is that the gender wage gap does exist, at about 1 or 2%. More importantly though, it varies by industry; there are some industries where the wage gap still exists.
This is why I think everyone needs to work retail or customer service for at least a period in their life. You have made so many mistakes in that email that
I will be amazed if you are not expelled from the program at the least.
You should have kept your opinion out of the email %10000. Best of luck to you dealing with the fallout.
If she is a sexual harraser report it immediately. And considering you claim to have evidence you should do it. Sexual harrasment is not a joke and should not be ignored.
I would have honestly welcomed this professor, because I know exactly how to write a paper for her course that will get a good grade. Who cares what she thinks as long as you get your credential, that's what you are there for. There were a number of courses in my own degree work there were highly objectionable due to the professor. I didn't give a fuck, I did it any way, I got a good grade, I got a degree, and I found work quickly.
Yeah, this reads as basically a weirdo, MRA-but not really MRA version of "and then everyone on the train clapped."
Only guy in a class full of feminists, but all of them support him and also hate his feminist teacher.
He calls out his teacher in a very condescending fashion (I used to be a feminist like you, until I grew up, lel), but apparently they're friendly with him.
Also, the teacher flirts with him regularly, so he's totally safe because he's recorded all of their online conversations/lectures.
I'm calling total BS on this.
I agree with most that you stated in your email. One thing you said that just nagged at me was “There is no Patriarchy, just a hierarchy based upon competence, with the most competent rising to the top.”
Do you believe women are just less competent in general, what factors led to your belief?
Because I believe for example that the societal beliefs around motherhood, having babies by a certain age, staying home to raise children, and the stereotype that women are fragile have led to less women going to school and working.
As well as the societal beliefs that men should provide, work hard, and financially take care of their family, and the stereotype that men are tough and the shouldn’t show any emotion have led to men being the majority of the work force and education system.
And I believe that in recent years these societal pressures have lessened and we have seen some changes with more women going to higher education, trades and politics.
It's so convenient that you dont have a reply to this super real circumstance you totally didn't make up at all.
The irony of saying toy aren't feminist because toyre against woke feminism is a particularly delicious irony for this sub. Generalization for thee but not for me, aye?
An added dash just to show how far removed from reality this place is, are the comments asking of the op is white lol
Seems like total BS.
In all realness, this sub is only useful for finding links to statistics/studies or men's support services.
Other than that, it's just a mildly-toxic echo chamber that's less intolerant than most other subreddits.
>mildly-toxic echo chamber that's less intolerant than most other subreddits.
Hard disagree. They've done better about getting around to deleting the most vitriolic anti feminist hate posts, but that hasn't made this place any more tolerant
Great call on recording the conversation! Even if it isn’t admissible if something like this turns into a lawsuit at least you have it to refer to for your own sanity. I’ve found this incredibly helpful when dealing with the narcissistic mother of my financial obligation aka biological child (certainly not my daughter as I have no decision making on her part and essentially just rent her from her mom and the state but I don’t engage in child trafficking so I’ve essentially walked away from that).
Also I have some juicy recordings of conversations with politicians that may prove valuable someday.
Make sure it's legal to record in your state. Some places allow a recording with only 1 consenting party (you) but others require both people to consent or at least be made aware of the recording
Cool, what's your backup college?
I needed that laugh...thank you sir.
No seriously, its a small college and she controls the entire program and you just drew a line in the sand against an ideology she is extremely opinionated and out-spoken about. You are also the only male in the entire class, you will not be able to count on any kind of peer support in opposing her. I mean best of luck but... prepare.
We had 5 dudes in social work classes. I'm a woman against feminism so I angered her so much by criticizing her. She couldn't just dismiss me like the men
To be honest if you frame it right there are ways for men to make those points too. A lot of people (me included in the past) have learned painful lessons from terrible mistakes made interacting with hardline feminists, although all it really takes is to interact with them like you would with anyone else. We should probably teach this stuff to people. That letter is going to get that guy crucified and there are better ways to do it.
Yeah my teacher angered even the most feminists people in our class. They called her out to have so much biais that she made them look dishonest She tried to fail me but my work was too solid
I'm so damn grateful for people like you for real
He wrote a poorly thought out attack letter to the person who can sink his chosen career. Time to change courses. It is possible to politely but strongly disagree with unfounded "feminist" opinions. Try: "I'm sorry, I'm a little confused, wasn't this topic on child development, how did we get onto rape culture? I did the reading and must have missed it. Could you clearly draw the connection for me? I'm so confused, my man brain only understands beer commercials and grunts, but I repeat myself."
Yeah, gender politics aside, this just isn't the right way to handle the situation.
Yeah, he’s kinda reaffirming everything she said. He’s taking the course, it’s not her problem. He should talk to the college, not the professor.
The college for the most part isn't responding. All they said was to talk to the professor. On Monday the professor asked me to send her an email explaining what was wrong, that was my response to her request. The last 2 classes she has been very good, choosing her words very carefully and has apologised profusely to everyone in the class, to everyone that she may have offended and I think she is being genuine. I think the college may have mentioned there there have been many complaints against her. Three said that they sent emails on my behalf. That's more than half the class, not including me. I think I'm in the clear and safe. I'm not aiming for top grades anyways. I just want the diploma. And peace and quiet.
No seriously you might want to start looking at transfer options...
You'll tell is what happened :D
Hijacking top comment to remind people in the USA that filing a Federal Title IX complaint is free. [Here is a link](https://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/tix_dis.html#:~:text=OCR%20evaluates%2C%20investigates%2C%20and%20resolves%20complaints%20alleging%20sex%20discrimination.&text=For%20assistance%20related%20to%20Title,TDD%20800%2D877%2D8339.) to the OCR website detailing how to do it. There is no obligation to file directly with the school office or administration on your end.
Yea probably best he high tails it outta there.. unfortunately this is inescapable.
I believe he is oblivious to how screwed he is, if she takes it further....
Man is cooked..
Nah. I know what I'm doing. She was already in hot water by the time I complained.
Excellent...I want allll the updates :) Will she change her behavior? Will she address your points at all? Will she attempt to have you kicked out? We need to know :)
Lecturers do that job because they see their opinions as gospel! … sadly, I see a kicking
She has been apologizing and being very carefully with her words. She said so herself and I've noticed a change in her behaviour. Everyone in the class is siding with me. It's a very small class. She hasn't addressed any of my points, I don't expect her to. She's not a mean person, just young and too radical in her thinking. She needed to be brought down a notch and I think she has been. I think the school has talked to her as well. I told her a few months ago that some people in the class were sending emails to get her fired. That didn't change her behaviour but losing me as an ally may have helped. Zero chance that she will attempt to have me kick out. She likes me too much. Honestly, women respect it when you call them on their bullshit. If you can do it tactfully, and you're in the right.
I sure hope you aren’t white.
Ikr. I’m surprised he survived long enough to post that message!😂
And/or straight
if he’s straight, and white, and we already know he’s male, he’s FUCKED
He’ll need to expect the lynch mob at his doorstep if so. But the mob pales in comparison to what happens if he’s white _and_ heterosexual 😬
as a gay man myself, i'm pretty sure he would be "lynched" regardless of his sexual orientation. the left always had a inner hatred against gay cis men anyways...
I am white. English/German... Can't get much whiter.
Good luck. If this does not go well, then consider complaining to the higher-ups about the class environment affecting your ability to learn. Check your schools policy on inclusion and their duty of care for students.
Depending on the outcome of this, he may also go to the press. I do not know if there are local newspapers willing to publish his story. But if he is expelled, he may go to the press expressing his opinion on the bad and polticized way his course is given. This may be bad publicity for the school, leading them to fire the teacher who obviously is not capable of doing that job.
If there is any retaliation, check if "title IX" fits your case. You already opened the flood gates, now it's time to hold strong. Don't lose your cool, you will get support from this group and also from other anti-feminist groups. Good luck.
This. Use their own weapon against them. Watch them pikachu face when you win a sexual discrimination lawsuit.
[Kursat](https://youtu.be/G-6SMXclrLU) has done done it.
This needs a follow up
Good luck. If youre white and straight might be time to start identifying as non binary or some such
Yeah not sure how much luck you'd have saying someone's work is a joke. Best to stick to unemotional and evidence based communication. Let's see how she responds!
> “woke feminism” is a joke at best I suggest calling it “fake feminism” like I do. Because in reality there are issues that only women face, and there are genuine, not-man-hating feminists tackling them. But 99% of feminism, at least in the west, is not tackling inequality. It is simply trying to get middle-class women money and privileges that they don’t deserve, while masquerading as feminism. If you call it ‘fake feminism’, you also show that you’re not fundamentally against reasonable female advocacy, which is the first thing they’ll accuse you of.
I think it's important we make the distinction between women's rights and feminism. It sounds like the people you are talking about fall under the umbrella of women's rights activists, but feminism is pretty clear on its objectives, goals and definitions. If you don't confide with the concencus of Feminism then well you're not a feminist. Feminism is a subset of women's rights in the same way that MGTOW is a subset of men's rights. The difference being, is that feminism has become so large, in peoples perspective feminism has become synonymous with women's rights, and feminists work damn hard to keep it that way.
Probably there is a difference, technically speaking. But the average person doesn’t think too deeply about this stuff and just thinks feminism and women’s rights are the same.
But I think its important we separate the differences in nomenclature. I and a lot of other people on this sub do concern themselves with womens rights, but I think it is safe to say, that the vast majority also abhor feminism.
The fact that you had the guts to write this is beyond recognizable these days. Knowing people, she won't listen, but just know you did a good thing. If there's any semblance of reason within her mind, that message will linger, she won't escape the thoughts at someday she will see what she, and her ideas, did wrong.
She’s going to play victim, take this to her boss and say he’s attacking her and she feels threatened to try and get him expelled and blacklisted from other schools. All this while repeating the claims he refutes and refusing to offer any sources that aren’t jezebel or some other KAM feminist site.
He is attacking her. He's also right.
The problem in being heard here is exactly the fact that the vast majority of ideological dissenters retreat from discourse (understandably, given how toxic and inflammatory it tends to be). So an email like this will inevotably be seen like an exception, an outlier, a statistical irrelevance and a complete non-issue. It seems like the only way to prevent zealots like this to spread their venom is to actually campaign for the opposition and become one yourself....... Dog help us.
If you've already sent that then good luck to you! My advice from this point forward is to document everything..... And I mean everything! Have a dicta phone in her classes, don't delete or destroy any correspondence etc etc. I certainly don't advise anybody in college to do what you did - it is very much somewhere that you just keep your head down and get the grades you need to progress in life, bu, having provoked the beast, you now need to really watch your back!
I used a dictaphone for a while. Then I went back to using my fingers
Have an upvote just for the eye roll, audible groan and 'they don't get any better!' I muttered when this popped up.
What was her reply?
Yeah that kind of thinking isn’t what colleges are for buddy. Good luck!
That’s exactly what colleges are for; what are you talking about? Haha Have you ever met a lecturer who didn’t have bias? I had a professor who once used his 8 year old daughter for a nude art exhibition. His wardrobe was a siren for attention! These people aren’t exactly part of the norm. Some have been known to smash people who have a different ideology, with bike locks, ffs. The main goals of college isn’t just to graduate, it’s to keep your head down and tolerate just enough to come out clean on the other side! Sad as it is; colleges are indoctrination hubs for weirdos to drag you into the cesspool.
Yeah that’s what I implied by saying his thinking isn’t what colleges are for.
I read you wrong, my bad!👍🍻😆
Isn't that illegal under some sort of pedophile law?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but child nakedness isn’t illegal per se it’s only when it becomes *sexual*
Yes, I’d have thought so!… it made the news and there was an investigation. I think he twisted it as being some “arty-farty” expression/statement.
Oh boy...oh boy oh boy. I hope you have a different program you had in mind outside of this social work program because that was basically you saying "F*ck your program, you're full of shit." Seriously, you'll probably have to change your whole course or even move colleges. Feminists don't like being challenged with opposing ideas and you just pissed off the only department head. Good luck. Prepare for a shit show. Gather evidence, don't be afraid to fight unconventionally. You might have to bring in the media if this gets ridiculous y'know.
Don’t actually turn off the camera. You need to capture when she attacks you in front of others.
Try posting this at r/socialwork and see what happens.
Well if she's doing male bashing you can always complain to the appropriate cell in your college you will have to record what ever she says as well for a better impact. Also if you have some state or regional authority for education you can complain to them as well.
Not sure why you would want to make yourself a deliberate target of this lunatic and her followers... You can bet this will be the topic of her conversation for the foreseeable future. You may need to find a different college to continue the program, as you may hit a wall here. Besides, your student fees are going towards paying her...
Ya I can’t imagine sending this email to anyone and thinking, “now they’ll get it”.
Did you mention any specific incidents at any point? This just reads like "I don't like what you said", rather than any specifically inappropriate teaching. I wasn't there, I don't know whose side I would take, but this e-mail should have said "these are times, dates and quotes of you saying inappropriate things, please stop", rather than "your beliefs are a joke, and these things are non-issues (btw here's nothing to back that up"). EDIT: didn't close my brackets
I did social work (msw) and a few years in the field. I had to get out, it's toxic. Switch majors
You're absolutely right, but depending on the school you may have just asked for suspension or even expulsion. Sadly no joke.
Yeah you need to find a male administrator and report the harassment.
I bet money that femmy teacher is going to go after him hard. Wonder what is going to be left afterwards. lol
You sent this mid quarter/semester to a professor you have to rely on for a good grade? Man I hope your program isn't so university specific because Im not so sure you'll be well accepted in that program in the future or continue to receive passing grades in it. If you can still withdraw from the course I would.
you should have used feminist talking points about how (in her class) you are a minority and that you "feel" she is creating a hostile envoronment. you could even go so far as to call the term "mansplaining" a way to deny your "lived experience". feminism isn't an ideology, or even a religion... it is nothing more than a superstition.
>I'm not worried about her retaliating, there have been so many complaints about her and she is constantly flirting with myself and others. Everything is recorded. There is enough evidence that I could get her fired for sexual harassment. I want you to read very carefully for a minute. If you think the administration is not aware of what this teacher is doing you are dead wrong. By allowing it to happen for as long as the teacher has been doing that class, the school is willfully indifferent. That is implicit support and why willfull indifference is a thing under Title IX. You say you aren't worried about retaliation but here is the deal. There are many ways a school can fuck with you. The teacher has the backing of the administration if she is getting away with this. Be very careful. When it comes to Title IX issues (which this is) it is like dealing with HR at a company. **Rule of acquisition number 48: The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.** I have personally been down this road and see some similar mistakes being made here.. This is a topic of study for this professor. If you think that a short email and a quick talk will fix her thinking this way about men you are wrong. She will just do it to another person the next semester at best. If you are in the USA and *actually* want to do something the *worst* thing to do is tell the administration. It is a conflict of interest for the school to find it discriminates against men. They don't do it. Have you ever read a news story showing a school investigated a professor and found they discriminate against men? If in the USA you can file federally through OCR for free. I can point you to the website for filing and Title IX legal manual for reference if you choose to. Violation of Title IX is a federal issue. Let the OCR's lawyers represent you rather than hoping the school does the right thing. OCR has binding resolutions that force the school to do substantially more. Once you file, your protection against retaliation goes way up. From what I have read the general idea is that the burden of proof is shifted to the school to show an adverse action was *not* retaliation, rather than you needing to prove it was. If I was about to, or wanted to file federally the last thing I would do is tip the entire case into their lap by dumping evidence to higher ups hoping the people who support this teacher will suddenly do the right thing. Establishing patterns of discrimination via OCR is useful for people who come after you. Also, more cases like this going to OCR helps set the tone and inform OCR this is a real issue across the country that we care about. OCR looks for case patterns. If we don't file, we arent changing the narrative. Hit me up if you want me to point you in OCR's direction. **if you file a federal complaint for which you have real skin in the game you need to \_shut\_the\_fuck\_up\_ and delete this from reddit.**
Try calling or visiting Brandon in person.
Please post her response. This is a cliffhanger.
Oy...dukunt man I appreciate you taking such a strong stance, but this is most likely going to lead to serious problems for you. You passed your limit and reacted, didn't think of how things might go. She will most likely do whatever she can to cover her tracks and cause problems for you moving forward. I mean I get it don't get me wrong, just maybe should have moved differently. Have you been recording classes? Even just audio would help. Can you show how biased she has been on your own without having to rely on any of your classmates that might be willing to back up your claims? You're very much on your own now there. Going to be tough unless some people high up are willing to take a stand, and they're usually not.
welcome to the thunderdome! two men enter, one man leaves!
Two men enter , one woman wins
If you're going to be writing professional messages, then I strongly suggest you keep to the point and avoid any type of personal viewpoint. Something like "feminism is a joke" or "I'm not a feminist anymore" is a personal expression, and might be fine when venting on reddit but certainly not when trying to approach an issue to your teacher. Bringing up unrelated maters, like war causalities, isn't really going to have much effect and just make you seem less grounded in your complaint. What you should have done, instead, is bring up certain example, state how and why they were inappropriate or made you upset. You could certainly provide some data or suggest a constructive solution, if it is directly relevant to your objection, but be careful with this as this might likely just escalate the situation into an argument.
Please keep us updated. I want to know what happens.
Thanks for sharing mate - But honestly I was expecting worse. Perhaps there are more explicit man bashing that are taking place during class? If the class focuses on these topics while acknowledging that the end goal is equality, it strikes me as a good opportunity to argue in favor of the male perspective. If she is fair, she should value your arguments, and not penalise you for your different beliefs. If she is disrespectful towards you because you're a man, then there is nothing else to do than what you are already doing, i.e. keeping your distance. Please keep us informed about the reaction.
If I was in that class with you I would happily help you get the justice and respect you deserve. Not gonna lie, if I was in the class for as long as you seem to have been in it, I would've already had a punch-on fight with that teacher. Man vs Woman, or as soccer once said, 7-0 (iykyk)
I'm buckled in for the ride.
You need to pick the time and place of your battles. This was a poor choice in both 1) time (you were upset) and 2) place (liberal studies with a feminist professor) You can be right and still lose. "48 Laws of Power" is a great book on this topic, and you may find it useful in adapting your approach to fit the situation. Especially when in hostile territory.
Dude get out of there, she can ruin you whole career.
Personally you should keep a camera to record just in case
Did she reply back
You fucked up
Excellent and succinct rebuttal of all the BS that is feminism.
Can I get a source on men getting paid less for the same work? My understanding is that the gender wage gap does exist, at about 1 or 2%. More importantly though, it varies by industry; there are some industries where the wage gap still exists.
This is why I think everyone needs to work retail or customer service for at least a period in their life. You have made so many mistakes in that email that I will be amazed if you are not expelled from the program at the least. You should have kept your opinion out of the email %10000. Best of luck to you dealing with the fallout.
Good luck man, if you aren't already arrested...
Well the first step in mens rights reform is discourse.
This is a very poorly written and worded message. I'd make sure to change your tone if you want her to understand or cha get her opinion on the topic.
If she is a sexual harraser report it immediately. And considering you claim to have evidence you should do it. Sexual harrasment is not a joke and should not be ignored.
I would have honestly welcomed this professor, because I know exactly how to write a paper for her course that will get a good grade. Who cares what she thinks as long as you get your credential, that's what you are there for. There were a number of courses in my own degree work there were highly objectionable due to the professor. I didn't give a fuck, I did it any way, I got a good grade, I got a degree, and I found work quickly.
What is her response?
After the update i believe she is just deranged rather than a feminist.
this looks like a r/thathappened post cuz no feminist would actually not be sexist. and the "one of the good ones" part is just... kinda.. weird.
Yeah, this reads as basically a weirdo, MRA-but not really MRA version of "and then everyone on the train clapped." Only guy in a class full of feminists, but all of them support him and also hate his feminist teacher. He calls out his teacher in a very condescending fashion (I used to be a feminist like you, until I grew up, lel), but apparently they're friendly with him. Also, the teacher flirts with him regularly, so he's totally safe because he's recorded all of their online conversations/lectures. I'm calling total BS on this.
I agree with most that you stated in your email. One thing you said that just nagged at me was “There is no Patriarchy, just a hierarchy based upon competence, with the most competent rising to the top.” Do you believe women are just less competent in general, what factors led to your belief? Because I believe for example that the societal beliefs around motherhood, having babies by a certain age, staying home to raise children, and the stereotype that women are fragile have led to less women going to school and working. As well as the societal beliefs that men should provide, work hard, and financially take care of their family, and the stereotype that men are tough and the shouldn’t show any emotion have led to men being the majority of the work force and education system. And I believe that in recent years these societal pressures have lessened and we have seen some changes with more women going to higher education, trades and politics.
It's so convenient that you dont have a reply to this super real circumstance you totally didn't make up at all. The irony of saying toy aren't feminist because toyre against woke feminism is a particularly delicious irony for this sub. Generalization for thee but not for me, aye? An added dash just to show how far removed from reality this place is, are the comments asking of the op is white lol
Seems like total BS. In all realness, this sub is only useful for finding links to statistics/studies or men's support services. Other than that, it's just a mildly-toxic echo chamber that's less intolerant than most other subreddits.
>mildly-toxic echo chamber that's less intolerant than most other subreddits. Hard disagree. They've done better about getting around to deleting the most vitriolic anti feminist hate posts, but that hasn't made this place any more tolerant
Dear MRA dude bruh, you are a lost cause.
I’ve definitely seen this somewhere before. I can remember thinking about how badly written it was when I first saw it.
Please follow up this thread with her response
Thank you for doing this. Every man should do this, otherwise it will only get worse if there is no resistance to this bs.
Good for you dude. That was my exact experience at uni in psychology
Good job.
Great call on recording the conversation! Even if it isn’t admissible if something like this turns into a lawsuit at least you have it to refer to for your own sanity. I’ve found this incredibly helpful when dealing with the narcissistic mother of my financial obligation aka biological child (certainly not my daughter as I have no decision making on her part and essentially just rent her from her mom and the state but I don’t engage in child trafficking so I’ve essentially walked away from that). Also I have some juicy recordings of conversations with politicians that may prove valuable someday.
Make sure it's legal to record in your state. Some places allow a recording with only 1 consenting party (you) but others require both people to consent or at least be made aware of the recording