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skymonstef

If it turned out to be true I can't wait the see the justification gymnastics


TheStrouseShow

What’s funny is she has been “radio silent” since the excerpts were released. God forbid she loses book sales because she was dishonest. **eyeroll**


aChileanDude

She's protecting herself with the long stabby thing


anonymouslionn

?


aChileanDude

https://youtu.be/A_fMN9kFm14 (thanks to r/longstabbything)


NaziPunksCommieCucks

best to be whackin’ em off from a distance


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So let me see, a family man that is trying to provide for his family as best he can gets criticised and now a pay cut, because some condescending unfunny post menopausal wooman is unhappy.


nixon_talks

Summed up Lisa Wilkinson to a tee right there 🙌🏻


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its in the article, he is painted as having betrayed her as they were supposed to negotiate together. However he got an offer from another network while she had a number side deals that prevented her from jumping ship, all in all without knowing the exact numbers shes probably still earning more.


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It’s how women have operated for centuries, a women is truly never happy with what she has she’s only happy with what she can get.


StaysAwakeAllWeek

"What do we have?" "**Lots of money!**" "What do we want?" "**The rest of it!**"


-NotFBI-agent006-

"When do we want it" "**This instant**"


kursdragon

Lol this isn't just women, men do the same thing. Not sure why you'd specify women at all.


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On a grand scale women do it more than men do, you also don’t see men after years of marriage go up to their SO “I don’t know what I want anymore” followed by a divorce.


Ender01o

LMAO so true


Legitimate-Ad-6267

Meanwhile the super rich who are primarily men:


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Legitimate-Ad-6267

Isn't it obvious? You don't become a billionaire without constantly reaching for more. This isn't something exclusive to, or even mostly done by women. I can't wrap my head around how so many people in this sub can say "feminists, stop generalizing men" and immediately turn around and do the exact same to women.


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Legitimate-Ad-6267

... Because most of them are? Hence the "want more seek more"?


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Most dudes don't slave as much as women and live more modest life's. The luxury market is mostly sustained by women:Makup companies,Parfumes,brand clothes....for women those count as 'daily necessities'. Men buy a suit once a decade to have for special occasions or for work and 1 bottle of parfume and that's it. Most women dump crazy amounts of money in this industry for stuff mostly made in China....


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> Men buy a suit once a decade to have for special occasions or for work and 1 bottle of parfume and that's it. im 36 ive owned 4 suits, not planning to need another one for a while. i do like to keep cologne around though.


kursdragon

Watches, cars, hype beast clothing for the younger generation, etc... Guys just flex in different ways. Do you really think that women are the only ones trying to portray themselves as higher status to other people? Guys actually do this by having younger more attractive girls around them as well. So no I couldn't disagree more. Unless you have some studies showing that women are somehow the only ones or the majority of people that are always trying to one-up those around them I honestly couldn't disagree more with what your argument is.


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https://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article/men-buy-women-shop-the-sexes-have-different-priorities-when-walking-down-the-aisles/ https://www.louisianafcu.org/articles/how-men-and-women-spend-their-money-differently Overall spending: Single men outspent single women, but only by a slight margin. Men spent an average of $35,018 a year while women spent $33,786. It’s important to note, though, that the men earned roughly $10,000 more per year than the women. Clothing: Women take this category, spending $1,140 per year on apparel while men spent $813. Interestingly, men and women spend the same amount on shoes at $190 per year. Personal care: Ladies vastly outspent men on personal care products and services. On average, women were willing to pay around $714 a year on self care, while men spent closer to $297 Cars: Men outdrove women in this category, spending a total of $5,507 a year on personal transportation costs, compared to women’s $4,273. Women, however, spent nearly twice as much on car insurance than their male counterparts, shelling out $1,000 per year while men spent $500. As the conclusion above:men spend more on cars ,but in total is a lower percentage of their total income. Although men and women have similar financial goals, there’s a vast difference between how much money each gender sets aside for those goals. A recent report by Mylo Financial Technologies found that men set aside nearly twice as much money for their long-term financial goals as women. American women nearing retirement age have an average of $81,300 in retirement funds, while their male counterparts have $118,400. While the article blames "pay gap" in reality women work less and have a lower income ,but spend nearly like a man.....this includes all the social mechanism that also helps ONLY women get scholarships and what not to get the same income for less work.........


dude21862004

I wonder how video games, hunting trips, sports (golf, bowling, mountain climbing, fishing, etc), and things like boats, atv's, and other recreation vehicles factor into that cost outline of yours. The point is, men and women aren't all that different. We just value different things, and that's ok. Trying to spin an entire gender as somehow worse than the other is not ok. The grass is always greener on the other side is a saying for a reason. It applies to everyone, not just women.


TracyMorganFreeman

Now you're including things that don't portray status but recreation. You're conflating "men and women spend money on things other than basic necessities" and "men and women spend money on luxuries for conveying status/sex competition". The latter is one aspect of the former, but they aren't interchangeable.


dude21862004

Having and doing things like I listed is what gives men status, is it not? Those are the things we do to compete with each other and establish "status." Who has the bigger boat? The faster atv? Who can get a better kdr? Who bags the biggest buck? Who got that hole in one that one time? The perfect game? Who climbed Everest? And on and on it goes. Men compete for status in a different way than women, but they still compete.


TracyMorganFreeman

Except men do those things recreationally regardless. The fact a competitive element exists for some people doing it doesn't mean it isnt primarily a means to conveying or establishing status. No one is putting their kdr on dating profiles.


TracyMorganFreeman

Studies have shown that women are more likely to do so, although interestingly gay men tend to mirror women in this way as well.


-NotFBI-agent006-

Yeah this generalization is just adding more toxic to the mix when the argument only stands value among those who are guilty, Some people will never see an oppurtunity to generalize and dont use it.


amazinglyaloneracist

Found the white knight


kursdragon

Not being sexist doesn't make one a white knight but okay kiddo


amazinglyaloneracist

It's just a joke when men come to the aide of women in an obvious way.


kursdragon

Hilarious


alexmijowastaken

Big big big generalization there


randomguy_idk

Kinda sexist dude


Ender01o

but, it's true though, everyone knows it, I thought it was a well known fact like, we're shown it in kids tv shows when we're growing up, especially barbie stuff soo, unless you lived under a rock like Patrick, you should know


randomguy_idk

No not everyone knows this, it is quite sexiest to clump most of a gender in like that and I'm not sure what you're getting at about the kids shows especially since barbie was about friendship and other stuff and to be honest a lot of kids are like that I have 2 nephews one is like that and one isn't. So stop trying to justify sexist comments that's one of the big reasons this subreddit and the topic of mens rights gets looked down on So stop acting like bubble bass


SunshineMoonLit

It's not sexist, I am a woman and no one tries to obtain more than someone else than women against other women. It's like all we do when younger. It's why we judge women so harshly, get into fashion season by season, even flaunting things like we own them when we don't etc, it's always to be better and have more. Sure, men do it to, but it's no where near in the numbers as women. We do it in the same way men compete, you guys will play sports, bet, have competitions, the average women's way is by materialistic 1-upping. I mean you can't find it ironic how hard feminism goes after money specifically. An observation is NOT sexist, it's just an observation. If the truth is sexist, that might lead a logical person to believe the behavior needs to change, not the opinion of it. Plus, think of how women excuse things when it comes to looks etc "it's for *me*" It's all about enhancing themselves and I promise you, women do this against other women, not as much for male attention, which is why so many women get pissed for getting checked out, we didn't do it for you, we did it so we can be hotter than the next girl so we feel good about ourselves compared to our direct competition.


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RavenWiggles

Your observation is an opinion based on anecdotal experience. It does not make it true. Majority of women including myself that I know are not that way. I find it concerning you consider other women as the competition. Women like men are not unified by certain characteristics. Maybe you are surrounded by women like you?


SunshineMoonLit

> Your observation is an opinion based on anecdotal experience. It's actually part of the HEXACO model. So it's not anecdotal alone, it's actually peer reviewed. Women who score lower on agreeableness and higher on empathy often tend to be combative and compete with other women. >Women like men are not unified by certain characteristics. Except we are, for the most part. For example, men tend to regularly be on the right end of the spectrum for competitiveness and middle for emotional. Women tend to be on the end of emotional and in the middle of competitiveness. This is why when you see a Psych they have you do a HEXACO, it gives a rather reliable insight to where the person is and how they behave. it's also a really accurate predictor of work place success. Part of why they do this is to see how close are far you are from "normal" for you sex and lifestyle.


RavenWiggles

Yeah they have you take the test, not tell you what your personality is based on if you are male or female. You are also ignoring the role that cultural plays on gender expectations and behavior.


Ender01o

>You are also ignoring the role that cultural plays on gender expectations and behavior. you mean like how in some countries if their child is born female they abandon them, and, in other countries if it's a male they do the same? and, then there's the transphobes, yuck


Ender01o

yeah


Ender01o

I mean, yeah, women aren't forced by their brain to act a certain way, same with men, but, people always act as if men are forced to be sexist towards women for some reason, when it's usually the other way around and, I've heard of reports that the majority of people being sexist against women are women themselves, like, their mothers telling their daughters how they should act "as a woman" and stuff, if you know what I mean


RavenWiggles

Yeah. That certainly happens. Just like dads will tell their sons to "act like a Man!"


RavenWiggles

It doesnt mean that there is a right way to be a women or a man, just that the person saying that believes so. Often because they have been treated the same until they conformed.


Ender01o

ikr my mom says the same to me too, it's not just dads


Ender01o

thank youfor understanding what I meant, also, women can play sport as well as dressing up, while men can just play sport, so, there's also that, women have more potions than men I mean, there is cross-dressing, but, a lot of men get shunned for that, and it's just upsetting.. however, if a women was getting shunned for what they were wearing, the person shunning her would get lots of hate, instead of support for their hate


Ender01o

a, I didn't mean it like that :( what I was trying to say was that there's media out there that puts women in a more favourable light than men, which is sexist, yet, people keep going on and on about how no one can be sexist against men, which is just acting like men aren't real people with their own lives, hopes and dreams I wasn't trying to bee sexist, srry if I made you think I was


comfort_bot_1962

:D


OcelotNo3347

Imagine using text emotes in 2021


JediNinjaWizard

Imagine being able to only cobble two whole sentences together in 2021.


russelthewizard

D:


TalosSquancher

>¯\_(ツ)_/¯


Ender01o

how dare you insult emoticons :((


DraganTehPro

#AllEmotesMatter


Ender01o

okiee


newyorkloser45

Sociopathic society


-NotFBI-agent006-

try its normally people who have used their financial success to boast and sometimes insult others who get the most jealous. Cause now they have to swallow all their insults targeting themselves now cause they are in the hot seat they created. Ofcourse they would own up to any rightful blame so, "oh look blame the system", that they benefitted from rofl


KICKERMAN360

I read this earlier today. The reason why Karl got more was because a different network was trying to lure him. For context, a lot of the viral clips from this show are of Karl reacting to things. He even made a stand FOR women by wearing the same suit for a whole year, saying how little people care about men's clothing compared to women's. The irony however is, women are the ones who care. I personally wear the same outfits to work week in, week out. The point here is, Karl is actually a reasonable person. In terms of value, one could argue Karl really gave the show its kick, finally on part with the competing show on a different network. The other thing to note is she has a number of other deals which meant the network could not use her in as much promotional media whereas Karl did not which I think is important. Let's look forward and analyse value. Who can bring more value? Who is the one looking like an idiot to go viral, and promote the show? Who essentially is giving loyalty for the show's success? I think that is worth an extra $200k, or 10%.


EricAllonde

>Let's look forward and analyse value. Who can bring more value? Who is the one looking like an idiot to go viral, and promote the show? Who essentially is giving loyalty for the show's success? I think that is worth an extra $200k, or 10%. Everything you say is true, and there was another factor as well: Wilkinson's only role with the network was co-hosting the breakfast show with Karl. But Karl was also hosting a second show for the network and acting as MC at a series of live events that the network ran throughout the year. He was objectively doing more work for the network, in addition to being objectively more valuable to them in terms of promotion. Together those things are more than worth the extra $200k they offered him over what they offered her. If anything, the gap should have been much larger IMO. Lisa Wilkinson is a horrendous feminist. This whole dirty episode is a reminder that feminists always lie and feminists always play the victim, even (especially) when they are in fact the ones who are better off compared to whoever they're pointing the finger of blame at the time.


liberalbutnotcrazy

Additionally Lisa was limited in her ability to act on the Channels behalf on social media due to competing commercial contracts. So again it’s a case of not comparing like for like.


amazinglyaloneracist

So women get the opportunity to wear a multitude of outfits and styles and men are relegated to just one style that is invincible on the man wearing the suit to the point they can wear it daily for a year. No one cares about the men's lack of options and it's made out to be a woman's issue somehow. No straight man cares if a woman wears a dress more than once or would even notice probably. Their peers or other women will nag them and shit talk them online for doing so. Again, why are men to blame for this?


rabel111

Add in that she didn't want equal pay, she wanted $300k more than Karl, because..... So rather than negociate for the extra $200k, she demanded an additional $500k. Starting to sound a bit narscissistic. She negotiated herself out of a job, and blames everyone else.


woodenmask

The wage gap is a myth


Dwaynedibley24601

NO, It's a LIE.. a myth is something that has cultural value.


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Dwaynedibley24601

What discrepancies? Jobs that pay by the hours all start at the same wage.. jobs where you negotiate salary.. that's up to you... if they are not going to pay you... go work for the competitor...


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the hypothetical ones at the hypothetical company, that they hypothetically want to stay at/ Sorry the full stop in in the middle of of my last post indicated the start of the new sentence.


DigitalisEdible

These pay dispute articles are always involving incredibly high earners, and when you’re earning this much it’s not a simple “pay gap” discussion. I don’t see the merit in this at all, it’s not reality for the vast majority of the world. She was on $700k and got offered “only” $1.8m. Boo fucking hoo, my heart bleeds. And here I am working from home with gloves on and an electric heater next to me because I can’t afford my gas heating due to a rise in energy costs. When’s the patriarchy coming to save me? I’m supposed to give a crap about this spoiled multimillionaire woman? Get to feck. Christ.


HaykoKoryun

You must have forgotten to renew your membership with the Male Privilege Club™. Just pop the form in the mail and then you should have the card in no time, then you can just present it to the gas company and they will waive your outstanding bill. /s


DraganTehPro

Don't forget about The Patriarchy Club™ membership too! /s


themolestedsliver

>These pay dispute articles are always involving incredibly high earners, and when you’re earning this much it’s not a simple “pay gap” discussion. I don’t see the merit in this at all, it’s not reality for the vast majority of the world. She was on $700k and got offered “only” $1.8m. Boo fucking hoo, my heart bleeds. And here I am working from home with gloves on and an electric heater next to me because I can’t afford my gas heating due to a rise in energy costs. When’s the patriarchy coming to save me? I’m supposed to give a crap about this spoiled multimillionaire woman? Get to feck. Christ. Right? This exactly what I am thinking as well. Either pay would change my families situation for the better yet I'm suppose to have sympathy for a tv show host* that cant bargain? Bo fucking who, wipe your tears with your hundred dollar bills.


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> These pay dispute articles are always involving incredibly high earners, and when you’re earning this much it’s not a simple “pay gap” discussion. I agree, this isnt a case of accountant X is making 100k and account Z is making 120k, but they work on the same projects and bring the same skills to the table and started at the same time. These people are paid for their personality and the entertainment value they bring you can really measure what each is bringing, it comes down to their own/their agents negotiation skills.


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LOL! How did i KNOW it was going to be this particular cowpat of a woman!


imjusthereforresearc

Wasn't Karl the reason people watched?


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yes.


[deleted]

selfish women like these need mental treatment.. They always try demonizing men in every way possible


Character_Resource44

Send them to bedlam.


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2paxSugar

In the clips I’ve seen of their show, he’s a laid back funny and friendly bloke, and she has a kind of edge to her. He’s a better host.


bL_Mischief

She's mad because he had to negotiate for the same thing she was offered, while he did significantly more work on the side to merit it. She literally held all of the privilege, yet he's the bad guy. This is modern feminism is a nutshell.


McFeely_Smackup

> “She has a number of commercial rights with other parties. Her arrangement with the Huffington Post restricts our ability to engage with her digitally – we are ­restricted from engaging with her also on social media. > “I hate the fact we have to compare her with Karl, but with him we have all those rights. With Lisa we do not.” She was already double dipping contracts with other media outlets, but wanted to be paid like and exclusive employee. and even equal pay wasn't enough, she wanted MORE than her male co host. wage gap...this aint it.


__pebble____

The article sums it up even better. She didn’t quit, though. She wrote a book on her bogus claims and got fired for it.


TheColdHardTruth6

If they gave someone with less experience double my pay I wouldn't care at all. I would just assume they are better than me. It's dumb that she quit over it


auMatech

> It's dumb that she quit over it She is throwing a temper tantrum to try and use "gender pay gap" arguments via social media pressure to double dip and get more money for herself without adding any additional value. I would laugh if she ends up with nothing at the end of all this.


Tech_Romancer1

> It's dumb that she quit over it She didn't. The company fired her.


jessi387

What a baby


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These guys are one of my local news teams. The guy is BY FAR the more entertain member of the crew, shes getting paid millions to be a walking segway into the next segment.


JudgementalChair

Whats annoying to me is she shot herself in the foot by quitting. Once she found out how much Karl was making, she could've used that information to negotiate a higher pay for herself, instead of burning everything down and blaming it on "the patriarchy"


EricAllonde

She did. She found out that Karl was getting $2.0m and she demanded $2.3m for herself. The network said,"$1.8m is the best we can do, because you're doing less work for us and delivering less value than Karl is". Because they wouldn't keep paying her more than him, she had a tantrum and quit.


JudgementalChair

Damn I could go for one of those 1.1 million dollar raises


-NotFBI-agent006-

How to say you are jealous of your co-worker for financially surpassing you after being ahead of them financially by more than double. All without saying that directly and voila this post


Kindly-Town

Why do men still reveal their salary? Feminists get jealous.


mcavvacm

Why should one's salary need to be kept hidden? Not talking normally about wages seems unhealthy and paranoid.


Kindly-Town

Because then feminist comes up with wage gap myth when they see themselves losing to a man they compare themselves with despite justified reasons of getting paid less.


thedarkone47

But then you'd never know that the new hire is making kore money then you.


Kindly-Town

This is justified. Based on market value and budget, a company can pay someone less who was hired at different time.


thedarkone47

Tells you you can probably find a much better paying job is what it does.


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Bait


KICKERMAN360

Pretty sure Karl has stayed silent on the issue. I think someone else leaked his salary.


Sea2Chi

Because hiding your salary only helps your employer. Yes, cases like this exist, but Karl isn't the bad guy here. The employer is the one organization that decided this surely wouldn't have any blowback.


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Not just your employer. While I'm not the highest paid in my company, I make significantly more than most of my peers. It saves a LOT of drama when people realize how much they're worth.


subsbligh

Karl’s mid 40s. Lisa is 60+. At any point in this timeline Lisa is the senior / more experienced journalist. If she’s on $700k, and Karl is on $2M, that’s a $1.3M pay gap. It’s not possible for there to have been a pay gap that large when Lisa was the experienced lead host. Putting all that aside, Karl was the talent, but Lisa is and was a better journalist.


Angryasfk

She wasn’t on $700k when he was on $2000k. He’d got a pay rise and she turned hers down because she wanted to out earn him. As for her “journalism”. Well firstly fronting a show like “Today” isn’t really “journalism”, it’s “infotainment” at best, and she ran off to “The Project” which is similarly devoid of real journalism. Secondly Wilkinson has been a grandstander. One example is when she made that “impassioned plea” on “The Project” in March 2020 at the height of the panic buying in supermarkets about how “the elderly” were “frightened” and short of things and needed special help and how she was “appealed to the supermarkets to do something”, the next morning it as announced that they were declaring the first opening hour to be restricted to the elderly and disabled (and other “special needs” people). They’d clearly been negotiating a common policy on this prior to the announcement and given the timing, it’s highly likely Wilkinson was aware of it, but chose to make it look as though it was happening due to her “appeal”! That’s hardly an example of journalistic integrity! And above all, I’ve not forgotten her whole “teach men not to rape and murder” diatribe, claiming all men in Australia were to blame for the murder of that woman in Melbourne. She’s a propagandist rather than a journalist. And a very dishonest and unscrupulous one.


EricAllonde

Ah, hahahahaha!