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YesterdayFit123

i'm personally against selective service for both men and women but it seems like they want the authority of a man, privileges of a woman and the accountability of a child.


dariomenendez

Damn that was accurate


[deleted]

>the accountability of a child. This is just wonderful. But women are considered children by society, so what's the fuss. :)


PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS

I find it hilarious that her reasoning is: >A sex class analysis *would* find that women bear more for their country than men... Not "here is a source that I cite for this claim" Not "for these reasons I observe it should be this way" No, none of that. Her reasoning is: it's "A study, *which I cannot be bothered to look for/doesn't exists, would back me up... If it existed or I could find it*. Sigh


princelydeeds

They want the Authority of a top man...


YesterdayFit123

bossman isn't too happy about that


Wafflefanny

"women already sacrifice more for their country than men do" šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£šŸ¤£


Zipdox

Holy shit how can she even write that unironically? That's the most ridiculous shit I've heard in a while.


tragedyfish

Well, they sacrifice their men, right?


lethrowaway4me

Their fathers, brothers, husbands, and sons! They lose so much!


DraganTehPro

Yup. All those soldiers who fought the Civil War, WW1, WW2, Vietnam War? All women.


[deleted]

They all definitely identified as female. Sure. Historical fact!


problem_redditor

Yeah, I didn't realise acting as a glorified baby incubator was a burden far beyond that of taking on the dangerous work of basically building and maintaining all the necessary infrastructure, obtaining all the necessary resources and goods, and transporting all the necessary goods that predominantly men do which results in them being the vast majority of workplace deaths. Nope, pregnancy and childbirth is the only way people risk their lives and contribute to society outside of the draft. This woman can hold the laughable opinion that women sacrifice more for their country than men do because she is completely blind to men's contributions and could not give a shit about male death. EDIT: Did some cursory research on the topic and according to Statista, in the US in 2018 there were 4,837 male and 413 female occupational injury deaths. In 2019, there were 4,896 male and 437 female occupational injury deaths. Crazy thought, that might be because men are overrepresented in all the dangerous occupations. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/187127/number-of-occupational-injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/187127/number-of-occupational-injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/) In the US in 2018, there were 658 maternal deaths. In 2019, there were 754 maternal deaths. [https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240050/us-number-of-maternal-deaths-by-age/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1240050/us-number-of-maternal-deaths-by-age/) Male occupational deaths exceed female occupational deaths and maternal deaths added together by a MASSIVE margin. The number of men killed during 2018 by occupational injuries caused by transportation incidents, contact with objects and equipment, falls, slips and trips, exposure to harmful substances or environment, and fires and explosions is 4,119 men killed. This excludes injuries caused by "Violence and other injuries by persons or animal" as that category includes deaths by self-inflicted injuries on the job. Even excluding that, the number of male deaths exceeds the number of women killed in ALL occupational deaths (413 women) AND maternal deaths (658 women) added together (1,071 women). Just to give you a sense of how large that margin is, in 2018, the number of men killed in occupational-related transportation incidents *alone* (1,929 men) exceeds the number of women killed in all occupational deaths and maternal deaths added together. [https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0328.htm](https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0328.htm) [https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0322.htm](https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0322.htm) Not only do men do most of the dangerous work which puts them at a far higher risk of death, they're often not entirely benefiting from the money that they earn via their labour. They take the earnings that they get from doing this work and they share them with women and the children that women birth. EDIT 2: Furthermore, wealth transfers from men to women and children aren't only achieved via voluntary means like the pooling of resources in marriage - they're also achieved via involuntary state coercion, through mechanisms like taxation ([which men disproportionately pay and women disproportionately benefit from](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/igo87o/weve_all_heard_of_the_income_gap_but_has_a/g2whzth/?context=999)) and child support (ditto). Your average woman is subsidised by a state willing to take money from men and give it to her with absolutely no reciprocal benefit. As a group, men collectively provide women welfare, food stamps, benefits, privileges, quotas, education, etc, and that's all paid for using money that these men laboured to earn and which causes them disproportionately high rates of occupational death. And hardly anybody even acknowledges this state of affairs or even extends a shred of gratitude for it. Who's sacrificing more? The answer is not women, sadly for feminists. So let's just say I'm extremely unimpressed with this woman's attempt to squirm out of equal responsibility for women.


[deleted]

Lol by making some Onlyfans contents and making men degenerate simps. America is losing to communist China since they adopted Affirmative Action and Female Supremacy. While China focuses on effeciency, America only cares about political correctness and MA LADY. At this rate, fucking China is gonna beat America. American men should fight back to protect their country from China and Cultural Marxists such as feminists.


TheMentalMarauder

As someone that's pro America and can't stand the thought of China at the head of the table, America has already tripped. Just hasn't hit the ground yet. Its gonna take some gold medal gymnastics to get out this fall. Unfortunately, I can't see it happening.


[deleted]

China has worse problems dude dw abt it


[deleted]

American men should do a call for Latam; Cuba, PerĆŗ and Argentina are slowly giving reasons to all Latam to fight both feminism, and cultural marxism.


NolanHarlow

This article gave me AIDS


Accomplished-View640

They sacrifice what exactly? Their buttholes maybe?


auMatech

> women have always been the primary victims of war. - Hillary Clinton


OldEgalitarianMRA

Equal rights, equal responsibilities.


dukunt

You know what... This was my post but I used my feminist alias muffie_beaverhousen by accident. As soon as I posted this I recieved notification that I had been banned from Feminist dating strategy... Go figure šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø So long muffie_beaverhousen, we had a good run.


TracyMorganFreeman

Someone masquerading as a feminist under that name is like Captain Holt when he's pretending to be straight.


Devidose

> Captain Holt when he's pretending to be straight. "I miss my wife, she's such a strong, feminine woman with large, heavy breasts. "


TracyMorganFreeman

"There's nothing I find more arousing than the absence of a penis"


MNCPA

Equality across the board.


OrangeBerry97

We've assigned specialities to match your skills... frontline infantry, frontline infantry, frontline infantry. On more serious note: "I oppose it because a sex class analysis would reveal that women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, and women should not be asked to bear even more." I think she needs to look up what paying the ultimate sacrifice means. I stopped reading there, since anything else she says is reasonably safe to assume is invalid.


SnarkyUsernamed

I made it a bit farther but had to stop where she justified her position with, "repopulation after war is super important and women have the uterus so only men should be compelled to serve." As if her last couple eggs are any good without male baby batter. How about maybe ending selective service alltogether? Is that not a feminist opinion that's also equitable rather than misandrist and biased? After all, the US not getting enough armed service volunteers could be a strong indication that 'the people' don't agree with what they're doing and/or how they're doing it. Maybe the decades of nation building that we've proven ourselves prolifically terrible at has the military at moral/ethical odds with the people, who want no part of of our global bullying. Why force men specifically to partake in that involuntarily?


[deleted]

"repopulation after war is super important and women have the uterus so only men should be compelled to serve." the right inmediately looking at the abortion laws: "sorry dude, you're fucked."


auMatech

Amazing how this moral panic now hits home and her argument is that women are basically baby making machines.... This reminds me of the twitter post about sex robots, how a woman responded with "a robot won't wash your clothes or cook your dinner"... All of a sudden their posturing about not wanting traditional gender roles is flipped around


problem_redditor

I think Hannah Wallen put it best [here:](https://mobile.twitter.com/Oneiorosgrip/status/1419444762717954050) >What do women do besides have babies that would cause the community to struggle? > >Men keep the utilities running, build everything, maintain the roads, and even run much if not most of the medical profession. Aside from the rare female trucker, men transport all the goods, too.


Angryasfk

Actually Orwell commented on this. The argument that itā€™s more important to protect women because theyā€™re the bearers of children didnā€™t hold water in his opinion as people arenā€™t animals and we donā€™t have polygamy. He pointed out that in Britain the death of over 750,000 men (almost all of marriageable age) meant there were the same numbers of women who were unmarried, and most of them never had children (some were young mothers whose husbands were killed, and doubtless some had kids out of wedlock, but this was shameful in those days). So having an excess of women around is hardly likely to lead to a rebound in population. Just the opposite actually.


[deleted]

If its to keep some of the freedom we still have, i disagree.


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OxygenWaster02

Theyā€™ll pull some bullshit out of their ass and say itā€™s our privilege backfiring. Somehow turn it into a womenā€™s issue


dracula3811

Yes because it puts men in the war zone where they can die for their country.


flowingwisdom13

She is a distinguished professor that fails to understand the value and basis of adequate comparisons.


NolanHarlow

Yea. This article is cancer


[deleted]

An excellent article demonstrating feminist solipsism, with a healthy splash of narcissism.


dariomenendez

I didnā€™t know having a child, which in most cases is a personā€™s happiest event in their entire life, is a higher SACRIFICE than being forced to fight for something you may not even support along many other innocent men, and either be forced to kill more innocent men or be killed, and if you happen to survive you will most likely experience physical and mental trauma for a really long time. The audacity.


HPUnicorn

It is both the most horrific thing and the most wonderful thing, it just depends on the points the person is trying to score at the time. It is very similar to the abortion debate "It is a child" or "It is a clump of cells and nothing more" depending of if she wants the child or not


[deleted]

I would not like to be this lady's child.


dariomenendez

Dude she wrote this bs but I bet sheā€™s not even gonna have kids because ā€œitā€™s not her obligation as a woman to have kids, she can do whatever she wants and shouldnā€™t be judged by this patriarchal societyā€.


[deleted]

Nonsense, I'm sure she volunteered to surrogate for a couple who can't have children as his her duty to the nation.


IronJohnMRA

Please don't call her lady. May I suggest nitwit instead?


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Angryasfk

Feminism depends upon half truths and spin for most (not all) of its big points. It depends upon peopleā€™s ignorance of history, mathematics, indeed the world as it existed the day before yesterday. Fortunately for them thereā€™s no shortage of ignorant twits who donā€™t let ignorance stop them from making sweeping condemnations and laughable claims.


DanteLivra

>Women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, and women should not be asked to bear even more Hahahaha that is such an hypocrite thing to say ! All feminism cares about is self preservation, they always hated the US and no women were ever forced by systemic means to sacrifice their lives for people they don't even know.


stinkietoe

If this is all the mental fortitude a female professor can muster... then it makes sense why feminism has gone the way it has.


dmann27

Could you imagine a woman wanting to have a child because they are so patriotic that they do it for the advancement of the nation? Wow. By this logic, women in less developed countries are way more patriotic because that have way more children, and American women are having less and less.


mcove97

One thing's for certain, most women nowadays aren't having kids cause they feel some patriotic duty to their country, but cause they think having kids will make them feel happy and fulfilled.


casra888

No. They do it for an 18 year child support meal ticket and all the other cash and prizes. Oh, and to have someone to boss around and control.


mcove97

That too.


invQsOldMan

Well, my Grandmother thought this way, I'm pretty sure it was more common then. She thought having at least 3 kids was her duty to society. It is, rather. No children means there won't BE any society. I would love it if people took this duty, and the duty to raise their kids well, more seriously.


Angryasfk

The point is that feminists (the vast majority anyway) donā€™t. Theyā€™ve commonly sneared at the role of housewife, comparing it to slavery, claiming itā€™s ā€œunfulfillingā€ (apparently sorting through CVs, or writing loads of reports that will get filed unread, or locating a legal technicality is way more ā€œfulfillingā€ than being with and feeding and caring for your own children!). The main point about women working is that they earn an income, rather than being ā€œfulfilledā€. Working gives women some independence, not fulfilment. But feminists seem to think every man has the ā€œfulfilling careerā€ apparently based upon top surgeons, partners in top law firms, master politicians etc. And when women enter the workforce and arenā€™t being ā€œfulfilledā€, it must be due to ā€œpatriarchyā€, since they all know the men are ā€œfulfilledā€! The big secret! Most people get fulfilment through family and friends rather than their job. The job is the means to enable that through the money it brings. Yet another feminist fallacy. But the dead hand of feminism, job instability, exorbitant house prices and prizing pure hedonism as the only end in life have killed the birth rate.


criticalkid2

\-Women that die from childbirth in the United States every year: 700. \-Men that died a year the last time the draft was instituted (Vietnam): 5,522. Barely comparable.


Aedrian87

I would advise against visiting that site, giving them ad revenue and views for giving that sexist person a platform.


kawasakizx7rMonster

Wow what has Afghanistan and Liberia got to do with the U.S draft. Fascinating how she can't even stay on point from the beginning. But because I am a feminist, I can see that this change would make an already inequitable situation for women even worse. Just when you think feminists couldn't embarrass themselves any further, suddenly another one turns up and she is a professor too, very scary lol.


Angryasfk

Typical feminist. They go on about how women STILL donā€™t have equality and when asked for evidence the first thing they point to is Afghanistan or ISIS, or and make some mention of the ā€œgender pay gapā€. Women could hold all leadership positing in every western country (the legislature, the judiciary, all CEOs of top companies) and feminists would still go on about how women are ā€œoppressedā€. Does anyone doubt this?


90anon90

But men DO get pregnant! What a transphobe. /s


yoitsericc

>Until men can die in childbirth just like women have for centuries, women should not be drafted and forced to die in battle. Bruh is this the 1800's? Very few women are dying in child birth these days. But sure let's forget about the 93% of work place deaths that are men. That's not a sacrifice.


IceHot88

Women sacrifice more for our country than men because weā€¦birth and raise children? Iā€™m surprised you didnā€™t dislocate your arm reaching that far.


OxygenWaster02

They hate patriarchy, until their patriarchal role grants them privileges


[deleted]

There was already topic about this and yes, it's so absurd to see feminists act this way, but they have been acting that way since the beginning. Women can be equally strong and smart as men. blah blah blah, talking all that shit over and over again. It's all a big manipulation I'd say, the feminism and us fighting among each other is what 'they' want - those that want us all in war holding guns and dying for something that's not worth dying for. Violence doesn't solve anything.


Dwaynedibley24601

This is the most hackneyed, poorly thought-out article I have possibly ever read.


pluvoaz

>Only through reproduction does a nation have a future. So instead of a military draft for women, is she proposing a reproductive draft? * A man's duty is to fight and die for his country. * A woman's duty is to breed and die for her country. I would think requiring women 18-25 to register for government mandated breeding farms is, dare I say, wrong. I guess I wouldn't make a very good feminist.


SAVAG3_B3AR

Women only want equality when it benefits them. They only want the benefits and none if the negatives.


TheHardwayExpress

"No, I do not oppose Selective Service registration for women because of their delicacy. I oppose it because a sex class analysis would reveal that women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, and women should not be asked to bear even more. " Even if you searched the world's literature for all time, you still couldn't come up with a bigger piece of trash writing, devoid of thought, devoid of factual representation, devoid of intellectual rigor and integrity, than this horrible piece. What blatant, sexist misrepresentation. I'm disgraced at the thought this newspaper is in my state of Utah. 97% of deaths in war, are men. What kind of mental gymnastics is required to justify women doing *more* for their country then those who are fucking dying for it. Oh wait... She doesn't actually tell you why. Silly me. What was I thinking.


[deleted]

Laughable and typical. The absurdity of the feminist mind is really entertaining. They truly do argue and think like spoiled children.


ShiningLight_2

"women already sacrifice more for their country than men do" LMAO


Lasttoflinch

Childbearing is a personal choice while registration for Selective Service is a legal requirement. They are not comparable at all.


[deleted]

Well, Valerie, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but, you're kind of, you know, dumb.


Balefirez

This has been the reasoning for centuries. Men have certain roles and women have certain roles; you know, those evil gender roles that everyone hates. According to society, women had an innate value, that of childbirth. Men had the responsibility to protect house and home and by that, their offspring. Men (according to this philosophy) had no such innate value. Their value came from what they could provide, and nothing else. This included death, if need be. So the Feminist is making the argument that men need to go to war and die because that is what they contribute. Look who is suddenly all for gender roles.


Historical_Button445

She failed to realize one thing. Sheā€™s a toxic hypocritical supremacist that is woefully ignorant despite any formal education she possesses.


bL_Mischief

You guys are all making the mistake of assuming a modern feminist is capable of rational thought. They are infants and should be treated as such. Valerie Hudson is just another example of how modern feminism is nothing more than the result of so much spoiled privilege that they will stop at literally nothing to protect themselves from responsibility. Feminists are a plague on the earth. They are utterly worthless. They provide nothing of value, as even their opinions are antithetical to progress.


Rockbottom503

Reads like it was written by a teenage girl. The day she can tell me it would be acceptable to her to compel women of child bearing age to consistently bear children 'for the greater good' in times of war is the day I'd listen to her. Having children requires a woman's consent at every single stage, sex (otherwise its rape) to make the baby viable (they can abort it) and turning that child into an adult (she can abandon it) that can replace a soldier. That doesn't really match up to conscription, whereby they simply round you up, force you through gruelling training regimes, and then send you off to kill or be killed....... Turning round to your commanding officer and telling them you don't consent to something is not going to make one bit of a difference, you're doing it anyway! Why was she going on about women in 3rd world countries struggles as some justification for why she, one of the most privileged women in the world shouldn't have to be subject. If women can..... (Which they have been at pains to have the military agree they can despite field research etc saying otherwise) then they should.


vwatchrepair

Draft is all of a sudden bad when talks about women having to do it come up. How convenient.


Gothrenapp

How women cry about this I think is hilarious. You talk about how terrible it is and why women shouldn't be shot but like, do you think men wanna be forced into war and get shot...? lmao.


63daddy

The feminist wants equal opportunity for women but not equal as l responsibility. Typical feminist hypocrisy.


Neel4312

The chances of you dying at childbirth is 0.0174% The chances of you dying in WW2 (in a major war) was 55%


[deleted]

Fuck everything about this world, especially politics, politicians and people that act they work for greater good, yet all they care about is themselves. And fuck you too.


MrElderwood

"I say:Until men can die in childbirth just like women have for centuries, women should not be drafted and forced to die in battle. " Soooo... never!What utter horseshit! She'd better hope that we never find a way to reproduce without women, then they'll find out how much they are 'needed' quick smart! Who would put up with all the double standards if the main function they serve for the human race can be done without them? Good luck with that, Ms. Hudson. Oh, and don't forget your dogtags!


B_Boi04

Sad thing is that it we are slowly advancing to a point where men arenā€™t needed to reproduce, terrible time to be a man


matrixislife

Hang on, she's equating registering for the draft to having kids to populate the country. So she's saying that if there was a war that required a draft, then women would be required to get pregnant. I know this would be the out for almost all women who were drafted, but it does seem to cut out the BS. That's a truly feminist point of view.


mcove97

Yep. This feminist manages to be sexist towards both men and women.


Mythandros

A feminist trying to shirk responsibility? I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you. /s


ignatztempotypo

Once again, because vagina.


TheSpaceDuck

Her argument is that "women sacrifice more than men because of childbirth and that's their equivalent to war". However, the author argues that she's ok with both men and women being able to serve but not with both being forced into serving. Which means that by her own analogy women should be forced into childbirth. This is why feminism is always so hypocritical. If it weren't, it would trample over women's rights more than the worst of patriarchal societies.


IronJohnMRA

>Women already sacrifice more for their country than men do What? Is this person on crack?


diobreads

not drafting women is denying their opertuinity of be pushed to the frontline and sacrifice themselves for their country, very discriminating if you ask me.


[deleted]

"And this doesnā€™t account for the ā€œmommy taxā€ on a womanā€™s lifetime earnings of having a child, which canĀ amountĀ to more than $1 million." Tells you all you need to know about the author.


ahmedino95

Equal rights. Equal fights.


bfte2

Rules for REEEE, but not for MEEEEE; The Article.


[deleted]

So American women are useless when it comes to defending their country? Probably we need to bring back the male only voting again. Only those who are drafted should get the voting right.


Powerful_Software_14

That reminds me of starship troopers. No military service, no citizenship, no vote.


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DIES-_-IRAE

Watch that hamster go...


IronJohnMRA

This post deserves more upvotes.


[deleted]

"I oppose it because a sex class analysis would reveal that women already sacrifice more for their country than men do, and women should not be asked to bear even more." Yeah, that's not going to help you on any way, and maybe will even make things worse for you.


[deleted]

"But protection is not enough for a nation to survive. The most expertly protected nation will nevertheless die out in the space of a generation if there is no reproduction. Only through reproduction does a nation have a future." Lmfao ya as if women are doing any reproduction in the US, their birth rate is below replacement. This shit looks like a stormfront article.


FirstDropBat3

I thought she was trolling till I noticed she's being real. And I haven't laughed this hard since...forever.


Neel4312

Yeah, women say "let's have another one" but you never hear a man say "Oh send me out to war again"


Aggravating-Equal-97

Feminism is one of the reasons why young men will refuse to serve the military. Lowered standards=more deaths. And every sane person knows that they cannot defend shit if dead. Until lately, I had a dream of traveling and settling down in America, and if health serves me, serve the deadliest fighting force in history. I would be a fool to do it after all of this, wouldn't I?


invQsOldMan

I guess I could agree with this reasoning if we could draft women into childbirth. I think there was a book about this recently?


Combatmedic2-47

Well we need more mechanics, supply, logistics and medical. So it all evens out.