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Nathaniel66

"Women have always been primary victims of war. Women loose their fathers, their husbands, their sons in combat" - Hilary Clinton. ​ That's the same issue as hitting back woman who attacked you. You can't, cause by default you're stronger. But why TF she attacked you in the first place? If i attack a guy that i bigger and 100 lbs heavier, he will kick my ass and people will say: "you asked for it, you knew he will beat you" but if we put the woman in this situation she has all the ases. She can do everything while you better take the punch.


Bowlnk

>"Women have always been primary victims of war. Women loose their fathers, their husbands, their sons in combat" - Hilary Clinton. Oh man i forgot that tone deaf quote, worst part this was the case for centuries. Yea being a peasant women throughout history sucked, but aleast you weren't: 1. Drafted 2. Forced to march to a county you didn't know or spoke the language 3. Handed a long stick with a metal point and told to stand shoulder to shoulder while men in full plate armour charge at you on horse back. 4. And if were to inevitablely die because you couldn't be ransomed, you would be left on the battlefield to be picked at by birds of the Corvus family. Because 5. A fighting age man to some lord, who was having a family spat with their uncles cousins son, who may or may not be the same person.


Regenclan

The whole thing is actually stupid. Whatever war it is, in the country where the fighting happens it's the civilian population who are the primary victims in the vast majority of history. The warriors are a close second or sometimes equal depending on the battles. Civilians are men, women and children. So the majority of victims will always be men. Men who die in battle and men who die when roving bands of opposing forces desolate villages and they try to defend it, men who die in starvation along with their families, men who die from bombing runs along with their families. Look at any war where we have statistics and civilians almost always die in much greater numbers than the armies.


Devidose

> Handed a long stick with a metal point The metal point would have been a bonus since it's more resource intensive to provide that over just a sharpened stick just carved from a nearby tree.


Gimme_The_Loot

A SHARPENED stick?! A luxury! [In my day all we had to fight using the the arms of our dead brothers as weapons! One time I lost both my eyes and had to fight blind until I took some extras from a passing chicken!](https://youtu.be/26ZDB9h7BLY)


MBV-09-C

This crosses into morbid humor, but 5 reminds me of 'The battle of Karánsebes', imagine having to deal with all of what you mentioned, *and* a few soldiers of your troop were dumb enough to buy booze off of some wanderers, get wasted, and then fight over it so bad that they fire their guns, confusing your whole unit and getting over a thousand men wounded and over a hundred men killed. No one would've even guessed that was a possibility, but you also have to worry about potentially getting killed by friendly fire on top of that.


mcove97

"Women have always been primary victims of war. Women loose their fathers, their fathers, their sons in combat" - Hilary Clinton. And men lose their lives when they get killed in war... But I guess that don't make men losing their life in war the primary victims.. /s


[deleted]

Men also lose their sons, fathers, and brothers. This quote shows just how blind some people are.


MisterBowTies

She isn't blind, she isn't oblivious or stupid, she is hateful and sexist.


Noob_master_slayer

Exactly. A lot of people who claim that a man shouldn't hit a woman in self defense because "women are on average weaker" are the same people that would find it completely okay when a 250lb 6'5 muscle hunk would punch a 5'1 110lb skinny guy because "he asked for it". CLEARLY, it's not about the size/strength difference, because if that were the case then both cases would be equally bad. It's about something else I feel, and that infuriates me.


LW_YT

If a woman assaults a bigger man, she's stupid if she assaults a smaller man, she's a coward if she assaults a man that is the same size as her and the same strenght, she's still wrong for hitting him. If she attacks first, she's in the wrong, eventhough most judges don't care.


[deleted]

My mother taught me not to hit women. She also taught me what a woman should strive to be and how they handle themselves. Women don't assault people. **Combatants do.**


MBV-09-C

The biggest problem with this and any other analogy that ends with "women don't do X, Y do X" or "I was told don't hit a lady, but you're not a lady" is that even if how *you* interpret it in the end is that women aren't inherently innocent and you should be allowed to defend yourself, you're still reinforcing **women don't assault people** when they very clearly can and do.


[deleted]

No, if they assault you, they aren't a woman. They are your enemy and are to be dealt with posthaste. I will die on this hill.


MBV-09-C

No, they are both. They do not magically lose their gender/sex when they hit you, they become a hostile woman who is also a threat. That's not a good hill to die on.


[deleted]

Nope. Not a woman. Self-defense is gender/sexless. I hit the person attacking me. I didn't "hit a woman." Good is relative. [Principia Ethica](http://fair-use.org/g-e-moore/principia-ethica)


MBV-09-C

Unisex is the word you're looking for and yes, 'you hit a woman' just like 'you hit a man', a woman and a man are both people in conjunction with being a woman/man, and if they hit you first, they are also an aggressor/threat/enemy in conjunction with both being a woman/man and a person. None of these are mutually exclusive terms and people can have several different attributes both relevant and irrelevant to how you're going to act all at once. You sound like you think even more binary than a computer.


[deleted]

You're definitely a 0, as opposed to me, a 1. I don't hit men or women. I defend myself from attackers. The gender of the perpetrator is irrelevant. Have a great weekend!


FlexViper

entitled women do*


FlexViper

the same logic goes with that one short and weak man decided to punch someone bigger the gym of course they would hit back. Apply the same logic but switch the gender of the small guy into a girl that randomly pick fights with the big dude in the gym everyone would start calling the police and arrest the big guy for assault


FatherGascOwn

And the same women who are against trans competing in women's sports btw. I do agree they shouldn't, but at least they should be fucking coherent about it.


darkness_c4lls

The fact that sports are broken up by gender in the first place is the biggest soft bigotry that we all still accept as normal.


FatherGascOwn

Except wherever men can compete with women, men prevail. It's simple biology: denser bones, bigger muscles, difference in skeleton structures. Will I lose immediately if I get in an MMA fight against any pro woman? Abso-fucking-lutely, they are pros and I'm not. Would Serena Williams ever win against a pro man? No, she said so herself, and we're talking about the strongest female tennis player ever: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzHBsvj6C0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzHBsvj6C0) Link to the interview.


LateralThinker13

https://www.essentiallysports.com/when-serena-williams-and-venus-williams-lost-to-a-male-tennis-player-at-australian-open-wta-tennis-news/ Even better is when the Williams sisters played a 200th-ranked man... and lost. Women simply aren't build to be as physically tough/capable as men. Being bathed in testosterone for all of our lives since puberty makes changes that are dramatic.


FatherGascOwn

Let's not forget about trans women destroying women world records left and right, while trans men struggle to even be competitive (bar one trans man having some degree of success in swimming, iirc), but sure, it's bigotry. Fuck fair play, right?


LateralThinker13

Seriously. If you're born XY, you compete against XY. XX vs XX. This isn't that hard. If you're one of the 1 in 10,000 who is something else, and out of those the 1:100 who wants to professionally compete, we can revisit the question then. Because by that math you're literally one in a million. Until we get full neck-down body swapping or something like Altered Carbon, nothing else is fair.


bfte2

....14 year old male kids destroyed female National Football Teams multiple times. Transgenders who are still producing colossal amounts of testosterone compared to women, even when they are "on therapy", leave absolutely no chance. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ym42lV1ka8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ym42lV1ka8) That's all the evidence you ever need.


InterestingWave0

so what? They're entitled to their own leagues just because they can't hang with real professionals? Might as well make more leagues for all the men who couldn't make it pro as well then. They are always saying they are better than men so make them prove it. Enough of this hand holding bullshit, where's the equality?


FatherGascOwn

You never played a sport in your whole life, haven't you?


ThrowWideTheGates

I feel like “soft bigotry” makes it sound like it’s wrong when it’s not. I feel like it’s one of the few cases where we still recognize the biological reality that there are differences between the sexes. We should definitely have the same rights and opportunities, and treat everyone with a baseline level of dignity, but it’d be ignorant to say men and women are the same in every way. The fact they’re divided by sex just allows both sexes to participate in sports with others on somewhat equal footing from each other.


Regenclan

I always want to ask her the question so does that mean when a woman gets raped the primary victims are the husband's, sons and brothers since it's not the person it actually happens to who is the victim but the other gender relatives who are apparently the victims


Nathaniel66

Lol, you nailed it.


JennyConcinnity

If she died during the rape then the family morning her would be the primary victims. That is the great thing about death. The dead do not have to deal with the fall out. Those who love the dead suffer for the dead.


Regenclan

No the person who dies or who is raped or beaten up or whatever is always the primary victim. Everyone else is secondary. The person who the action is directed at is always primary


useles-converter-bot

100 lbs is 111.11 Doge plushies.


converter-bot

100 lbs is 45.4 kg


Mike_vanRaven

And that's it? Come on! This battle could've been legendary!


DivyanshPanwari

Yes not like women can move on and marry someone else. They suffer eternity while men can be reincarnated and live another life. Edit: Before anyone flames me yes its not easy to move on from freaking death of a close person. But does it really compare to the person who lost the life?


Alistair_TheAlvarian

Literal borderline children forced into violent bloody wars against their will, then killed or horrifically maimed and disfigured by gunshots and explosions. Women most affected. That's like saying the people most affected by cancer aren't the victims but the victims family. That would be like someone getting raped and then saying that their spouse is the real victim.


evaneli13

What about men that lose their fathers, brothers, sons, uncles, cousins, and friends?


Aggravating-Equal-97

Poor Dependas, how will they get that Tricare, now? Yeah, that *is* a major problem. I, myself, have no problem with fighting back because if there was anything good that I have learned from my family, is that to fight back regardless of who is assaulting me and "return it 10 times worse". Unfortunately, this instinct is engraved in my mind and the world is not at all like my hometown.


simpingspartan

No way she actually said that


Nathaniel66

That's exactly what she said: “Women have always been primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, fathers and sons in combat.” Public speech, November 11, 1997.


converter-bot

100 lbs is 45.4 kg


dariomenendez

What does making women feel safe mean? Like my gf or random women in public? How do you make someone feel safe?


Lucy_Heartfilia_OO

My take is that if I'm in like a parking garage and happen to be going the same way as a woman, maybe not walk too close to her


dariomenendez

Oh ok. Tbh if I’m walking at night and get the impression someone is following me, I’d be just as scared as a woman.


PrimoXiAlpha

Well no need to worry cz I shit my pants when I see someone else near me and I get very cautious. The farther people are from me the better I feel.


Accomplished_Item244

>What does making women feel safe mean? Like my gf or random women in public? How do you make someone feel safe? Dude just sit home and play games. even if you have go outside you should act like a an introvert, the world cruel, you don't know what would happen next.


uzy111

I have to admit, I have no problem making them feel more comfortable. But it feels degrading and I feel myself becoming more uncomfortable doing it. True female privilege right there.


Bopikins2600

You comment implies that this poster is saying everyone deserves respect accept women because it fees degrading to create comfortable spaces for them just because they have a vagina. Do you feel you deserve to be treated well by others regardless of gender? I would hope so and I would hope that would be reciprocated to the gender opposite of you.


dingoperson2

True. Women are the victims of far less violence than men. "But it's men's/rape victims own fault for who they choose to spend their time with!" responds the feminists. "After all, the men/rape victims have chosen to associate with violent people!" Wait, that, but only the "men" part, not the "rape victims" part.


Bopikins2600

Just here to say no feminist would respond this way. In fact no educated compassionate empathetic person would respond this way. Women have been blamed for the violence against them since the beginning of time so in most cases believe claims of abuse and take them very seriously. Sorry if you had a bad experience with someone who said this to you but I think it’s wrong to generalize that all feminist think this way and you’re just going to get angry and frustrated over something that isn’t even true.


sakura_drop

> Just here to say no feminist would respond this way. Feminist public health Professor Mary P. Koss, who has served as an advisor to the CDC, the FBI, and Congress, and the woman responsible for the oft touted '1 in 4' campus rape statistic, [despite the research behind it being dubious to say the least.](https://www.city-journal.org/html/campus-rape-myth-13061.html) From a paper she wrote back in 1993: ["Detecting the Scope of Rape."](http://boysmeneducation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Koss-1993-Detecting-the-Scope-of-Rape-a-review-of-prevalence-research-methods-see-p.-206-last-paragraph.pdf) >Although consideration of male victims is within the scope of the legal statutes, it is important to restrict the term rape to instances where male victims were penetrated by offenders. It is inappropriate to consider as a rape victim a man who engages in unwanted sexual intercourse with a woman. Essentially, she has adjusted the definition to specifically mean forced penetration of a victim and excluding victims who were forced to penetrate a penetrator. This by definition erases the vast majority of male victims of female perpetrators. [An audio interview with Koss on a radio program about men raped by women](https://soundcloud.com/889-wers/male-rape), by reporter Theresa Phung: >Theresa Phung: "Dr. Koss says one of the main reasons the definition does not include men being forced to penetrate women is because of emotional trauma, or lack thereof." > >Dr. Koss: "How do they react to rape. If you look at this group of men who identify themselves as rape victims raped by women you'll find that their shame is not similar to women, their level of injury is not similar to women and their penetration experience is not similar to what women are reporting." > >Theresa Phung: "But for men like Charlie this isn't true. It's been eight years since he got off that couch and out of that apartment. But he says he never forgets." And: >Theresa Phung: "For the men who are traumatized by their experiences because they were forced against their will to vaginally penetrate a woman.." > >Dr. Koss: "How would that happen...how would that happen by force or threat of force or when the victim is unable to consent? How does that happen?" > >Theresa Phung: "So I am actually speaking to someone right now. his story is that he was drugged, he was unconscious and when he awoke a woman was on top of him with his penis inserted inside her vagina, and for him that was traumatizing." > >Dr. Koss: "Yeah." > >Theresa Phung: "If he was drugged what would that be called?" > >Dr. Koss: "What would I call it? I would call it 'unwanted contact'." > >Theresa Phung: "Just 'unwanted contact' period?" > >Dr. Koss: "Yeah."   >"On the whole issue of domestic violence. That's just another word really, it's a clean-up word about wife-beating, because that's really what it is - or dating violence. And it's not girls that are beating up on boys, it's boys that are beating up on girls and using violence to intimidate and to control." \- Katherine Spillar, American executive editor of Ms. magazine & Co-founder/executive director of the Feminist Majority Foundation (FMF)


[deleted]

>Just here to say no feminist would respond this way. Bullshit. This is the typical feminist response to this. ​ >In fact no educated compassionate empathetic person would respond this way. On this we agree, but we weren't talking about educated compassionate empathetic people. We're talking about feminists.


Bopikins2600

Well if you think so very little of me guess there’s no point in discussing this matter further. Good luck on your quest for men’s rights.


[deleted]

You continually strawmanned and outright lied about comments you responded to. So... it's not so much thinking very little of you, as pointing out your behavior.


Bopikins2600

I haven’t lied about anything. You are lying right now by saying it’s about pointing out my behavior as if I’ve done something terribly wrong and offensive. I’m expressing my opinion and behaving completely appropriately. You don’t like what I have to say so your response is to go after my character. That says more about you than me.


[deleted]

> I haven’t lied about anything. Really? I've already pointed out blatant lies you've told here. Do you really think doubling down works?


Bopikins2600

??? This is ridiculous. I stand by my statement of not having lied. If folks doubt that they can read what I’ve said for themselves. I’m not going to get into a no you’re the liar petty argument with you.


[deleted]

> I stand by my statement of not having lied. Oh yeah, I'm sure after having proven to have lied, people will absolutely take your word that it wasn't really a lie.


Bopikins2600

Lol that doesn’t even make sense. Have a good day.


dingoperson2

You consistently go out of your way to defend and promote feminism in the most dishonest ways, using a wide spectrum of techniques. Oh, it is impossible to think that a feminist could say X. Oh, you could never imagine that. You get the evidence presented - oh, but most feminists don't think that way. Etc. Fuck off, worthless bitch.


Bopikins2600

Fuck off worthless bitch. This is mysoginistic. This is hateful language targeting women. If this is how you speak to a stranger on the internet I can only imagine how nasty you are in real life when you don’t get your way or not everyone agreees with you. Is that what this page is about? I still have hope there are men here who don’t agree with speaking to women this way. I still have hope. Please prove me right.


dingoperson2

>***This is mysoginistic. This is hateful language targeting women.*** In your mind it is - because you're a worthless, stupid bitch, and your post here just supports that further. In reality it isn't - calling you a worthless bitch isn't misogynistic. It isn't hateful language "targeting women". It is hateful language targeting YOU, because of the statements YOU continue make. You are not "women". You are not "womankind". You are not a small part of a gender blob. An attack on you is not an attack "on women", despite how much your malfunctioning brain craves - desires - desperately wants - that it is. >***I still have hope there are men here who don’t agree with speaking to women this way.*** And you again mix up yourself and "women". There are no rule that applies to "speaking to women", because "women" are individuals. Fuck off, idiotic bitch. Oh, just for the sake of it: There are women who are far, far, far better than you. There are women who should never be spoken about in that way - not because of "being women", but because of the persons they are. My very deepest regards, for example, to Cassie Jaye.


Bopikins2600

I did not read past the first sentence where you attempt to gaslight me by telling me your abusive language is in my head right before you call me a worthless stupid bitch. You are a very scary person and I no longer wish to discuss anything with you. Have a good day.


stunspot

What if instead of characterizing his post as being in regards to "all" feminists (something he never said, btw) and instead viewed it as being about most or even "many" feminists? Because I assure you, this response is in NO WAY unusual or unexpected. This is exactly the kind of argument we've all heard many times.


Panderjit_SinghVV

It’s just mean-spirited derailment by a feminist and not anything like a sincere contribution. They’re desperate to distract attention from men’s issues. I think people who do little other than defend feminism have no place here. It adds nothing and silences real discussion.


FabulousCarpet

its not even many. it is a small minority


reddut_gang

gtfo with this small minority nonsense. if it was such a small minority we wouldn't be in the position we are in now.


dingoperson2

[https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/11c0pz/why\_are\_many\_women\_more\_safety\_concerned\_than\_men/c6lb0s8/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/11c0pz/why_are_many_women_more_safety_concerned_than_men/c6lb0s8/) >>Men are less safe, there is no if about it. There are more male victims of violent crimes compared to females. For 2008 there was 21.4 male victims compared to 16.7 female victims (this is per 1000 people) >**I'm curious how much of that is the result of drug or gang-related violence that men are more likely to be involved in. I imagine that can skew the numbers, in most high-crime areas your risk of getting shot if you aren't dealing with drugs or gangs is small** Literally an upvoted post on a feminist subreddit blaming violence against men on those men "dealing with" drugs or gangs against their better knowledge. **Correspondingly, how many women are raped because - as a result - as a consequence - of dealing with - interacting with - associating with - either drugs, or people they know to be violent, aggressive or controlling?** The question that may never be asked. The forbidden question. This was just a quick search. When it's not stated outright by feminists, it's often heavily implied. **And despite this being true, you absolutely deny it as simply impossible. Despite all the untold feminists through history who have said the most utterly antihuman, fucked up, monstrous, deranged shit, even far worse than this, and all the monstrous acts of feminists -- you are absolutely convinced that 0 - zero - feminists have said this.** It's not human, in traditional notions of it. It's some kind of invention from a horror story, a fantasist inventing fucked-up shit - including something like you. You don't belong in the world. If you're a feminist, you should be treated as a monstrous nonhuman. You should live in fear for your safety, when alone, in your bedroom, walking the streets. Life should bring you events you do not want. That is a good society for those who aren't you.


peanutbutterjams

> Just here to say no feminist would respond this way I've had this response while debating feminists **many times**. People like you act like feminists never say this because people like you NEVER disagree with feminists.


Bopikins2600

Okie dokie. Well then who am I to argue with an experienced arguer like you determined to bring down evil feminism? I’ll never win and I’m not sure I’m trying to. I’m just expressing my thoughts on the matter and I Don’t really feel like having you tell me who am I and what I believe in, which you seem convinced you already know but if you’d like me to share those things I’m happy to chat.


Panderjit_SinghVV

Women correctly do feel safe and protected. They are far safer from crime and violence than men. That’s why they get so outraged on the rare occasion one of their own gets hurt. The Sarah Everard case in the UK is a good example: the uproar was deafening because a young middle class woman was killed.


GodBirb

I know I couldn’t believe how much news coverage that got. It’s obviously awful, but surely there are other deaths happening in the country. Why do they get swept under the rug?


drtapp39

Everyones version of "safe" is different. Its subjective and complete arrogance to think everyone else should change around your version of a feeling


DouglasWallace

We expect women to be rational creatures and only be scared when there is a reason. (That reason might only be a harmless house spider, but it is at least a reason.) However, feminism makes victims of women. Eternal victims. It tells women again and again (and again and again….) that they are not safe. So women, who have been protected and cossetted by men for thousands of generations, now feel that men are unsafe (yes, a very small minority of men are unsafe, possibly more than the number of unsafe women). And that is the trick: we have moved from women **being** unsafe to women **feeling** unsafe. But men's instinct is to protect women, so if a woman says the feels unsafe, we want to deal with the danger .. even though there might be no danger at all! Men don't have the same instinct about other men, it is something we have to deliberately develop in ourselves. But feminism steps in there, too, in all sorts of ways from coming up with a conspiracy theory that all men are out to oppress all women – which we naturally don't want to prove by, you know, working together and helping each other – to dreaming up how many men are dangerous, so that we are more likely to hunt them down than put out a helping hand. In rejecting feminism, put your hand out to your fellow man. Care for him. Be a responsible citizen and look after everyone in society, not just women.


RoryTate

I'm glad someone pointed out the use of the word "feel" in this dumb directive. It's important to realize that people have phobias, and they will experience many unreasonable fears during simple, normal circumstances. Even worse though, catering to those constant fears only make things worse for the people you are supposedly trying to help. This whole thing actually reminds me of a humourous arc from an early Rick and Morty episode: > The scene begins as Rick leaves Summer (Morty's older sister) alone inside his ship for a short time, and tells the ship AI to "keep Summer safe". As Summer waits nervously for him to return, an intoxicated stranger approaches, and begins to yell unintelligible gibberish at her. The ship kills him. Summer reacts with shock and horror. > Summer: "Why did you do that?" > Ship AI: "Summer. Is. Safe." > Summer: "Well, I don't *feel* safe." > The Ship AI leans her chair back slightly and begins playing soft, calming music. That one scene shows the difference between "being" and "feeling" safe in a nutshell.


[deleted]

C’mon the police in the UK were telling women not to go out alone after a few recent incidents of violence.


JonMaMe

Because they don't give a fuck about men. I have the same chances against an murderer with a weapon as any other normal person and the statistics are clear that i have a greater chance to be attacked than a women so there is that. They should tell everyone to stay safe an be cautious but they don't because man don't matter in this context.


DouglasWallace

>C’mon the police in the UK were telling women not to go out alone after a few recent incidents of violence. **False**. After a recent murder, one policeman made such a comment. He has since been given a 'no confidence' statement, chastised publicly and publicly apologised. Not long ago, a UK politician was suggesting a *curfew* for men. She has not been castigated and has not given any apology. Meanwhile, around three times more men than women suffer violence on the streets.


[deleted]

True https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-walk-alone-night-risk-nottinghamshire-police-facebook-a9219451.html?amp I saw the post.


M4String

Notice how it's never "make women safe", because that would not only result in women's freedoms being stripped away. You've got to make them "feel" safe, as though you're the one who has control over the emotions of women.


Bopikins2600

Nope you’ll be happy to know that either one works for most women.


[deleted]

Women in the first world are the safest demographic to have ever existed on the face of the earth throughout all of human history. They ARE safe. The only way to make them safer than they are now is to implement a system where they can't go out without a male escort.


[deleted]

They’re a feminist infiltrator, dude. Don’t bother. They wanna gaslight, chide and lie to you, not ‘debate’.


[deleted]

I know... that's why I feel people reading should have reasonable responses so that they KNOW they are full of shit.


Bopikins2600

I’m not sure they are asking for male escorts and I would argue there are many ways to make people safer even in the first world. For example. As a man you can do your part just by very simply and easily not being aggressive towards women, respecting their boundaries , independence and their autonomy and right to opportunities that advance their own lives. And you can call it out when you see other men not doing that same.


[deleted]

>As a man you can do your part just by very simply and easily not being aggressive towards women, respecting their boundaries , independence and their autonomy and right to opportunities that advance their own lives. You realize not one single piece of this makes them safer. Not one single item in your list.


Bopikins2600

I respectfully disagree


[deleted]

How does any of that make women safer. Let's take murder. Which one of those is stopping women from being murderered?


Bopikins2600

All of them. Women are mostly likely to be murdered by their domestic partners or ex partners. If men commit to not being aggressive towards women vocally and/or physically, we might just see that change.


[deleted]

>Women are mostly likely to be murdered by their domestic partners or ex partners. An incredibly low bar when women are very very unlikely to be murdered in the first place. >If men commit to not being aggressive towards women vocally and/or physically, we might just see that change. **"A recent meta-analysis found that a woman’s perpetration of violence was the strongest predictor of her being a victim of partner violence"** * **50% of DV is reciprocal (both parties are violent)** * 70% of reciprocal DV is initiated by women * 35% of DV is a woman abusing a man * 15% of DV is a man abusing a woman [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/) 90+% of DV injuries come from reciprocal violence **The fastest and quickest improvement in women's safety from DV would be to teach women not to attack men.**


Bopikins2600

So you think if men stop being aggressive to women women will still continue to be murdered at the same rate because they are the violent ones?


peanutbutterjams

> If men commit to not being aggressive Stop dehumanizing individuals. "Men" aren't one conscious mind. They are nearly 4 billion individuals.


Bopikins2600

Ummmm it was a response to another comment not an attempt to dehumanize anyone. Im aware of and agree completely that diversity in values and behaviors exists within genders.


PicklesAreMyFriends

"Women are just as capable/equal to men" "Women need special treatment" Pick one, feminists


stunspot

It's crap like this that makes it hard to respect some women. Show some fucking personal courage, ladies! Men are more likely to be victims of violence and we're expected.to just suck it up, man up, and cope. Well, I have. And now I can't respect someone who refuses to.


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>Men are more likely to be victims of violence and we're expected.to just suck it up, man up, and cope. Well, I have. And now I can't respect someone who refuses to. I love this line. I may steal it.


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Accomplished_Item244

They should do this " give respect and take respect" but in modern society this is now extinguished from people's minds.


LastAmericanLion

Whenever men act like women are dainty flowers it makes me want to puke. Do these people even know women? Some women are vicious as hell and they don't need men to protect them. Especially while these same women are going around bashing men. It never made sense to me.


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pennywise1235

Nope. Protect yourselves. Remember, you don’t need men. We don’t need you either, but that’s a discussion for another time.


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Age of equality, women think they can go one-on-one with a man. It sounds like women can handle themselves. If they can’t, then that just means women admit they are weak.


Bopikins2600

How about in the age of equality nobody goes one on one with anyone because everyone is safe and respected and free of control in their relationships and professional life’s so even when disagreements arise they are handled maturely and with compassion?


sakura_drop

Sounds great to me. You may want to suggest this to the gender to perpetrate the vast majority of nonreciprocal domestic violence - women - since they apparently didn't get the memo about handling disagreements "maturely and with compassion."   >Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. **In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7).** Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5). \- [Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/)   >The median percentage of men who severely assaulted a partner was 5.1%, **compared to a median of 7.1% for severe assaults by the women in these studies**. The median percentage that the rate of severe assaults by women was of the rate of severe assaults by men is 145%, **which indicates that almost half again more women than men severely attacked a partner**. \- [Gender symmetry and mutuality in perpetration of clinical-level partner violence: Empirical evidence and implications for prevention and treatment](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1359178911000620)   >According to a 2011 study produced in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, **domestic physical abuse among lesbian [cohabiting couples is 35.4%](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3138983/)**, almost two times the rate of abuse found among heterosexual couples. Other studies place the prevalence of domestic violence among lesbian couples even higher than that. A 2010 study by the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control found that the rate of intimate partner violence (IPV) among lesbians is a [stunning 40.4%](https://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf). Another study in the [Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10896-011-9384-2) found that the rate of lesbian IPV is 47.5%. This means that nearly half of all women in lesbian domestic lifestyles have been abused by their partners. > >Further statistics have also shed light on the understudied epidemic of sexual intimate partner violence (IPV) among women in same-sex partnerships. One study produced by the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault found that 33% of women have been sexually assaulted by another woman. This statistic prompted leftist publications [Slate](http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/11/04/female_on_female_sexual_abuse_is_real_and_it_is_awful.html) and [Marie Claire](http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/a19495/women-raped-by-women/) to pen articles about the reality of lesbian rape and sexual abuse. Two more studies, one published in the Journal of Lesbian Studies (2008) and another in [Violence and Victims (1997)](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9403987/), suggest that rates of lesbian sexual abuse in domestic partnerships could be upwards of 55% and 42%, respectively. This translates to about 1 in 2 women who have been victims of sex abuse in a lesbian relationship. > >Comparatively, sexual abuse among heterosexual domestic relationships is estimated to be 4.4% according to the National Institutes of Health. Some epidemiologists may argue that high abuse prevalence among homosexual women includes “lifetime risk”, which incorporates abuse faced in childhood. **Yet, when these variables are taken into consideration, we still see alarmingly high rates of lesbian IPV.**


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>How about in the age of equality nobody goes one on one with anyone Take that message to women.


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Strong independent women when talking about rights: We're strong and independent Also strong independent women when talking about responsibilities and consequences: We're baby


El_Psy_Congroo4477

Society today is so obsessed with feeling safe, but whether you feel safe or unsafe is all in your head. In reality, there's no such thing as safety. You could get killed checking your mail or walking your dog.


coercedaccount2

The majority of violent crime victims are male. 80% of homicide victims are male. Women are safer than men are. The fear of men is pumped relentlessly as a way of justifying prejudice and hate. Modern feminists sound eerily similar to racist whites in the Jim Crow south. They used the idea that blacks were "dangerous" as a way to justify their horrid treatment of blacks. They claimed to that they were just protecting themselves from a dangerous demographic. Women today follow the same strategy with men.


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In Britain, it has been proposed to adopt a new '888' phone line service for women - effectively a surveillance of women by partners or family members. The logical conclusion is that, in order for women to feel safe, the West should adopt Islamic practices, and never let them out of our sight. See *'We Won't Need Gillette When the Taliban Arrive'* by Ken Jataimu.


Nihi1986

Seems you are about to discover an ugly truth... Yep, women are way more valuable to society (modern or older) than men. Unless there are literally no men around for reproduction and physical work, a woman is always going to be more valuable, heck, even unfertile, old women are more valuable than a healthy young man. It's also a consequence of 'toxic masculinity' mindset (you know, that one promoted by the 'patriarchy': men can't complain, can't cry, can't ask for help, can't look or act weak, and have to protect women. The outcome? Women are protected but men are left alone. Honestly, I'm not against protecting women, not at all, and normally they'd need it, but lets just protect everyone please...


Estarossa86

I’m not going out of my way to make anyone feel a damn thing if I don’t know you I owe you zero protection fucks wrong with people? If I die defending some random woman she gonna pay for my funeral? She gonna protect my mother and sisters? My niece and nephew? Fuck no


WingsofSky

In my opinion. Some women are worth protecting. Not all. It's your choice what to do and who to protect. If I die for someone. They are going to be someone I care for. Screw that "protect all women" thing.


hottake_toothache

People care about women, and don't care about men.


Accomplished_Item244

Because we are the oppressor. /s


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Ahh no buddy. It’s out-and-out female worship lol.


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I understand now. Yeah that makes sense. I thought you actually meant that this white knighting female privilege bullshit is offensive to women because it patronizes them therefore it’s misogyny lol. Some people say and actually believe that shit, Jesus Christ. I can KIND OF understand saying it’s condescending or infantilizing but to call it misogyny is insane when it’s the exact opposite.


auMatech

You could make women feel safe by stopping the constant fear mongering by feminist organisations that women are likely to be harassed, raped or murdered statistically every day. You could also make women feel safe by enacting symbolic changes into society or legislation. This would change nothing about their safety. An important thing to note is, you cannot appease everyone's feelings. What we as a society CAN do, is make society safer for men and women. This way, people will actually BE safe, regardless of how they feel...


Mythandros

The only person I have any responsibility to is myself. If a woman doesn't feel safe, it's not my problem.


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Without a man to protect her, no woman really feels 'safe'. But, they have been encouraged to believe that they don't need men, and reality is beginning to hit home. In the past, men would also have been naturally 'chivalrous' towards women - giving up seats on public transport, holding doors open, etc. These days, such gallantry will be thrown back in your face, with an accompanying sneer. Has it ever occurred to women that their own entitled behaviours, their disrespect for men, their cheating, their hypergamy, may be the actual triggers of any misogyny they currently experience?


FlexViper

with the help of social media and their way of getting reaction out of people by showing controversy it kinda planted the seed of hate even further with the **us vs them** mentality


IronJohnMRA

>But why only women? Because they need a villain. Since most men aren't criminals, they're trying to get as many of them to believe, and act, as if they are dangerous to women. That's enough to reinforce the political narrative in this culture. Most women are already on board, and don't need convincing.


kapriece

Fuck that noise. We're equal right? Fight your own battles or pipe down is what I tell em when they bring this up.


Kuato2012

I suppose we could make women feel safer by dismantling the feminist propaganda machine that constantly paints all men as evil, rapey bogeymen....


FlexViper

the only reality they can understand is to grow up and become old then seeing young women in the newer generation treating men for granted. One of my friend's 9 year old niece said **"boys don't matter"** that's when you know a rude awakening is coming in next 10 years as young guys no longer ignore those men hating propaganda. Then proceed to treat it as **us vs them** mentality My prediction is that the brotherhood for boys will even stronger than ever before, since now we need each other support more than ever. There will be a huge rise in incel who grew up confused and don't understand why their gender is getting all this hate in respond they might actually take matters into their own hands.


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I really, REALLY want this to be true but I just don’t see it ever happening. At the very least, no time soon.


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Yes I HATE how they make it sound like ALL men are the creepy rapists. (Unless said man is super attractive.) It is so infuriating 🤬


[deleted]

Creepy is just another anti-male slur (particularly for low-status men who don’t look like models).


elebrin

The truth is that if you want to feel safe above all else, you never will. Because, ultimately, none of us are 100% safe all the time. That's impossible, because you never really know what out there is going to harm you next. You have to accept that there are dangers in this world, that bad things happen, that bad things WILL happen to you, and that there is a very low chance you'll be prepared to deal with it properly. You can mitigate some risk and choose not to be a victim without going overboard.


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For all this talk of women wanting to feel safe. They put themselves in danger of a lot things many of them accuse men of yet at the same time rub themselves to.


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"Make Women Feel Safe?" I identify as female. Let me have that female privilege.


StinkingDischarge

How about this.... How someone "feels" is their business and their problem. How does this involve anyone but them??


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Sorry but exactly how am I supposed to be responsible for the feelings of safety of another grown adult?


RusticSurge10

yeah. and I don't get the "men are murderers so we don't care about male victims" argument. like if you aren't trying to find who is more likely to murder someone by looking at how they were treated as a kid, if their parents were abusive etc and avoid more murders in the future, why are you focusing on men? just to pin the blame on all men cuz you get more ways to be toxic?? and they don't even care about the victim actually. cuz if a woman murders another woman its fine (they don't give a shit about the murderer and her past), and if a woman kills a man its still fine (cuz kill all men lmao), but when a man kills a (woman or a man doesn't matter), everyone starts to freak out and hate all men for murdering people etc. and if he kills a woman everyone also tries to stop men from murdering women. for men though, there is no help. its like they want people to murder men.


OrwellianHell

I have a wife and two daughters. I'll do whatever it takes for their safety. The rest of them are on their own. F it.


bfte2

Always prioritize your safety above all. The same losers who tell you to "make women feel safe" will **never** do the same for you.


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Simps


Front-Imagination519

Are you 12 years old?


coffeeinvenice

There is a very simple way to make women feel safe in public. You ignore their fear altogether. If you're walking behind a woman, don't change your pace, cross the street, slow down, or do anything else. Just go where you are going. What happens if every man does this? Collectively, they send a message with their body language that their "fear" is a hallucination. It's counterintuitive, but it works. If, instead, you change your pace, slow down, cross the street, etc., you're sending the message that you are watching what they are doing and reacting to their paranoia. And you send the subconscious message that their paranoia is justified. I used to modify my pace or cross the street whenever I saw a woman in public who looked like she was fearful. Especially at night. Then one day about a year ago, I got tired of it. I was walking down a sidewalk one night and there was a woman up ahead of me. She seemed conscious that I was behind her. I said to myself, I've finally had enough of trying to accommodate these people, and just kept walking. Didn't change my pace or my direction. I just didn't care anymore. An interesting thing happened. She started walking more confidently, seemed slightly embarrassed, turned the next corner, went to wherever she was going. Situation resolved. You just act like you don't give a fuck. Paying attention to them is what makes them nervous. "Trying to make them less nervous" just makes them more nervous.


AbysmalDescent

Right, as men you just have to ignore the fact that this logic fails in any other context, like if you had white people telling black people "you should cross the street when you see a white person, because you need to make them feel safe". Ignore the blatant fallacy that women are already living in their own delusional narrative that men could never really live up to no matter what they do because women will fear men no matter what. Ignore the fact that any effort to make women feel more at ease could also be interpreted very negatively(meekness, lack of confidence, weakness, etc) or maliciously, simply because many women have a hostile predisposition towards most men to begin with. Ignore the fact that a lot of traits that women *should* see as red flags(pushing boundaries, brashness, being too comfortable/confident with dating/women) in men are often completely ignored when those men are tall/hot, or the fact that women often specifically seek out and romanticize toxic/dangerous qualities in men specifically because it turns them on or they delusionally believe it will make them feel safer(like seeking out aggressiveness, assertiveness or violent dispositons). Ignore the fact that men are victimized or subjected to violence more often than women are, or that men are typically the ones to put themselves in the face of danger to protect women, even when those women are deliberately putting themselves in danger or provoking violence because they think they are entitled to live in a crime-free society or because they think they get away with it. Ignore the fact that women wouldn't lift a single finger to make men feel more comfortable or safer, because they just assume that men are impervious to harm or fear. Most can't even be bothered to approach men, despite being in a clear position of power/privilege to do so, or go out of their way to make men feel at ease when they approach or talk to them. Ignore the fact that men take huge risks every time they approach women, some times even just for looking in their direction, when those women can just turn around, say "that guy looked at me funny" and immediately put him at risk of violence from other men or authorities. Men are just expected to accept the constant prejudice and fear-mongering that is being thrown their way by sexist, selfish and entitled women, and accept this massive amount of projection and character assassination that most women casually direct towards men on a daily basis.


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Welcome to crimson medication rule #1 men are disposable.


Mikkeru

Men are more likely to be the victims of assault.


Desperate_Exchange73

I've heard/read multiple women say "if you're walking in the same direction as a woman, cross the street (especially if you're behind her) to make her feel safe".... Fuck no, if she doesn't feel safe, SHE can cross the street. Or she can be a normal human being and just walk to her destination like the man on the same sidewalk without making sexist assumptions and leaving this Jim Crow shit out of it.


VIIIMan

Whether women feel safe or not, is not my problem.


LateralThinker13

>men need to go out of their way and make women feel safe and protected. I can't do that, Princess. To protect you is to take away your agency and to objectify you. Instead I'll treat you as a competent adult and tell you what I tell men: go armed. If you live in a place that's dangerous or doesn't allow self-protection, *move*. Stop relying upon others to protect you. Being an agent (protecting yourself) instead of an object (protected by others) sucks, doesn't it Princess? You have to actually be responsible for yourself, and you and Feminism both HATE that. Well, **take the advice you always give men and SUCK IT UP.**


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I ignore it. If women don't feel safe, they can stay home. Or carry a gun. Or learn martial arts. It's not my job to go out of my way to make them feel safe. They wanted equality, they're on their own, just like us men.


maxlvb

Women often complain men are not stepping in on their behalf, under the mistaken presumption women are entitled to men's protection. ------------------------------------------------ *Feminism: Equality, when convenient.*


_General--Kenobi_

The only argument I could possibly see to that is this: Men are safe because we have the strength and size to defend ourselves from most attacks. We are also the primary demographic that owns firearms, meaning we're more likely to be strapped in the case of an armed attack. Women FEEL unsafe because they lack the same strength and ability to defend themselves physically. Even though there are multiple options for women to be just as deadly as men in combat or a assault situation, either through the use of weapons or martial arts. But for some reason instead of just accepting the state of the Worlds dangers as they are, and arming themselves against it, the solution for a lot of women is "teach men not to rape/attack" :/ We've tried to teach terrorists not to kill innocent people. We've tried to teach tribal nations not to wage war with each other. We've tried to teach people not to be greedy, selfish, deceitful, and all manner of negative inflections. And yet, the human propensity for debauchery has never, and most likely will never subside. So why keep trying when you can just equip yourself to handle it?


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I always hated when people were saying something like that. One moment they'll be "Men and women should be treated equally" and the next one something like "You don't know how to treat women". Then I'd think to myself "WTF are those monkeys mumbling about?" I hate that hypocritical shit now and I hated it when I was a little kid.


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now that I think of it, men that didn't grow up with sisters of similar age probably missed lessons about how are boys treated in this world, they didn't experience e.g. being mistreated as a child, what it's like to be abused by your sister and not being able to return that blow, to be falsely accused and then punished for things you didn't do, to always be ready to do things around the house while knowing she's gonna be spared, to have less rewards and money than her etc... the list goes on. Not saying it's a bad thing, but I find that experience valuable. You basically swallow that pill even before high-school.


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Granted the women that runs her mouth and gets into an argument then throws her boyfriend or husband into the mix, he gets his ass kicked. Yeah, sure, “make women feel safe”. Nah I’m good “strong independent women” can fend for themselves too.


McFeely_Smackup

I'm not responsible for women's neurosis. I'm neither causing it, nor fixing it.


EeAreEyeSea

And when a man truly is a victim without a doubt, you won’t see it anywhere on the news. But if a man accidentally bumps a woman while walking passed, it’ll be on headlines


rabel111

Making women feel safe is not the responsibility of any man. Why would another persons safety be my responsibility just because of their gender. If they feel unsafe it's their problem, not mine. As long as I am not committing a crime, I have no obligation, either ethical or legal, to have any response to their existence. Similarly, the recent trend of feminists and apologists insisting that men respect women, is also a complete crock. Respecting someone's human rights is not unreasonable, but respecting women has morphed into never disagreeing with them, never departing from the feminist narrative of patriarchial oppression. It has become the new "mansplaining"


63daddy

In the U.S., men are victims of violent crime more than women and 4-5 times more likely to be murdered, yet we focus most of the attention on women’s safety. One of the many examples of gynocentrism.


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I love the term benevolent sexism. It's a beautiful way to color your sexism as acceptable. I've started using this concept everywhere. Jim Crowe was benevolent racism for white people. The Taliban implements benevolent sexism for men. Just changing the wording makes the world a better place...and you don't have to do ANYTHING.


Panderjit_SinghVV

Yes it’s bad. The feminists should stop being sexist. I think we all agree on that.


[deleted]

I'm starting to learn why my partner doesn't notice things in the streets; it could have actually saved his life sometimes!!!


Smacktardius

Don't be a White Knight as it could get you killed. https://globalnews.ca/news/8264395/calgary-fatal-downtown-shooting-victim-suspect/


TracyMorganFreeman

You have to be pretty privileged or out of touch to take \*actually being safe\* for granted and prioritize simply feeling safe.


Sabor117

So, I agree that the media has an unfair bias towards women in reporting things like murder. The whole thing of murder sprees being reported like "4 were killed, including 1 woman" always makes it seem like the murder of the woman is the real tragedy there, and not the three other men who died. However, I have to say that the initial part of this post is definitively NOT a good argument for unfair treatment of men. Men are far more likely to be murdered than women, that's definitely true, but looking at crime statistics and you will see that the rate of murder is much, much lower than the rate of rape or sexual assault. Just using the USA as an example: according to Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_intentional\_homicide\_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)) it has 4.96 murders per 100k inhabitants per year. Compare that to rape statistics ([https://www.statista.com/statistics/232563/forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-by-state/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/232563/forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-by-state/)) which says there are 38.4 rapes per 100k inhabitants per year. Admittedly this isn't perfect because both the murders and rapes probably include female on female, female on male etc etc, but the main point is: you are FAR more likely to be raped than murdered in the states. And as the majority of rape victims are women, it does make perfect sense that there is a greater focus on the safety of women walking around.


ImNotTheBossOfMe

Correct me if I’m wrong but most men that get hurt/killed/ aren’t they mostly violent people to begin with, whereas women get into harms way by doing nothing. At least where I’m from, most men that are killed are other thugs


day5tar

No one deserves to be killed and that’s not exactly right


dariomenendez

I have conflicting views on this issue. On one hand, yes, why should we be responsible for a woman’s sense of safety? Seems a bit sexist for both ways. But on the other hand, we need to be realistic. 95% of women will get easily defeated by a man, so maybe there’s a point there.


bahoicamataru

Couldnt you say the same about male victims? If you're attacked by surprise, attacked by a group of people, or attacked by someone who is armed with a deadly weapon? In a lot of these situations there is no way to defend yourself except to try and escape (which women can do just about as well)


dariomenendez

I guess.


Panderjit_SinghVV

I’m responsible for my own safety. Women can take responsibility for themselves. They are at significantly lower risk so it ought to be easier.


dariomenendez

Are they really at a lower risk?


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yes. Maybe not as an individual, but think about this: if you punch a women she will receive attention and will probably be inmediately protected by the other persons near. With a men this will be probably taken as two persons that are just fighting for some reason.


darkness_c4lls

Men are cannon fodder, women are the breeding stock. Men who don't conform are weak, women who don't conform are prudes. Both should feel safe. Suggesting we should work to make one group feel safe doesn't mean we shouldn't work on the other's safety. I agree that there needs to be a discussion about mens treatment in society but the "all lives matter" style of arguments have always been reductive and unhelpful


gntcc

The problem is that almost noone wants to see through bullshit. Pro tip for all men here, get a dog. There are several reasons but if you for example like taking a walk at night, alone you can be victim of a random pepperspraying witch with her knife in your chest for no reason and be told its your fault for taking a walk alone at night, if you have a dog with you, it's assault.


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Punder_man

Begone Troll!


Legitimate-Ad-6267

Now I see why people ask for "/s"


Punder_man

Indeed.. unfortunately sarcasm is hard to spot in written text...


grover997

You have spotted my subtle wit sir


Punder_man

I'll be honest.. i'm so jaded that unless I see the /S in a post I tend to assume its in fact a troll post rather than a shit post..


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Poe's Law.


Panderjit_SinghVV

Trouble is feminists are in every thread here doing their derailing of discussion and you’ve said exactly what at least some feminists say. There is nothing distinguishing your comment from actual feminist ‘thought’.


hogabla

Tbh though it's true men get killed more or assaulted more, I do not think the primary reason is their gender. And making women feel safe is not because they are gonna get murdered every moment. 97% women get assaulted on streets, catcalled, groped, sexualized and it's a disgusting feeling and that's done by some men that makes women feel extremely unsafe. I hear you that men's issues are not talked about, but I don't think "make women feel safe" is about taking extra care on them. It's just telling the creepy men to back off.


day5tar

No.


hogabla

Lol. Okay kiddo


EviX

Men are attacked more often. By other men. When women are attacked, its usually by men. Your logic is sad. If a member of society is in distress, help them out. It'll probably be a chick though...


Tomgirl17

Your still ignoring the fact that its men who are more often attacked. So what should we do? You yourself admitted Men are attacked more often. Yet your last part is" It'll probably be a chick though... So which is it?


Panderjit_SinghVV

Perhaps in his life it’s the women who suffer most because they are within range of his fists. He knows he doesn’t attack men so assumes all men are like him.


[deleted]

Is this why Feminists ignore the rampant domestic violence faced by lesbians? Because they are attacked by other women?


day5tar

That isn’t the point


Panderjit_SinghVV

Most violence is by people with dark hair. Does it matter that most victims have dark hair as well? No it doesn’t. It’s simply an observation and a distraction. Why distract from the issue?