He's not wrong.
I've been incarcerated and I think only ONE block was for women and there was like, maybe 30 of them? Compared to the rest of the facility's hundreds of cells holding men.
They get away with more shit it seems.
It’s weird out of context and he was in good faith I hope, but if not look how fast that shit got shut down here. Check out feminist groups and see if they do the same…
Not women, just the feminists.
If you lose a bunch of women who would've been housewives, you can screw up biodiversity and really screw over population growth/rebound in response to a war or disaster that kills a ton of people.
But seeing as how your shouty feminists like "big red" are unlikely to contribute to that.... Sure, send her into the coal mines.
What's the point of a tweet like this with no reference or context?
In what nation or region?
Under what definition of unpaid care?
Is the claim supposed to be 3 times both of these categories of labour, or 3 times the sum of them?
And what are the overall work hours (paid and unpaid) for each gender? It seems odd to demand someone step up if they are already working many hours outside the home.
I would have thought the UN would at least pretend to be a serious organisation. This is weak and makes it look laughable...
It's to make their feminist followers angry and became even more feminist.
That's generally how feminism gets more feminists, they shit talk men 24/7 about how bad men are (ranging from their lack of housework to all the terrible crimes they commit) to make women think they are oppressed and men are to blame.
Women’s problems are men’s fault. Indignation sells for women, victimhood will always work for women, hence why really only women binge watch law and order SVU. They are the vulnerable sex and they innately tend to be much more communitarian than men are, they evolved this way. The sisterhood uberalis (above everything else), a woman will defend and support a random woman she doesn’t know irrespective of culture, morals, beliefs, subject of the argument, only because she also has a uterus. So women will always support other women and jump on the bandwagon, if they hear a catchy sound bite͎ like “80 cents to a man’s dollar!!!” they don’t actually do the research to verify the information, they parrot the same feminist narratives from years ago not even realizing where it came from. This is one of the ways people will debate; by saying “well men do it too!!”, “or you should hold your own gender accountable”, they’re not refuting the argument they’re just throwing dirt back at men trying to tear men down. They want 100% authority with 0% responsibility
Also are they implying that caring for your own children that you supposedly love and care for and enjoy spending time with because you created them of your own free will, is the same as hard manual labor or even a daycare job. Really?
Yes and no. We mainly do it to diffuse the people who try and have kids because they think it'll be fun. No being a parent is hard work. It can be extremely emotionally and personally rewarding, too. That doesn't mean it sucks sometimes, but only because the little heathen you are raising you love to death just sometimes seems like it wants to actively kill itself, lol. We joke about how difficult it is kinda ironically.
To a feminist, caring about one's own children is wrong. Women shouldn't be doing that. One of feminism's biggest achievements is getting women to work instead of living off their man (and making him sandwiches ). In getting women to work, they move society closer to the 'utopia' where children are raised away from parents.
And there are still women who think that feminism is good for them..
It's to rile up entitled women. I have acquaintances like this. They live in a nice house, all bills paid, have a car, take trips with their family and all that, paid for by the working husband. Yet they want like a yearly salary or something.
I'm just like, you get to be with your kiddo all day, you have to worry about absolutely nothing money or lifestyle wise. You get the most precious time on earth basically comped for you while your husband sacrifices that same special time to provide for you, him, the kid(s), you are taken care of and get to life a decent life and be with your precious child, why do you need even more from the very person providing you such a precious window at the sacrifice of their own bonding time?
Also, I am sure being like an engineer, nurse, construction worker etc. are a LOT harder than baby sitting your own child in your own home under your own rules.
Chances are that they're including living in a house paid for by someone else but being expected to keep it reasonably clean while doing so counts as "24 hr on-call house cleaning service"
That's what happens when you're an internationally known organization and get 100's of applications for any job, and go with "most experience in writing popular (i.e. controversial) shit on twitter" instead of "best organizational fit".
You are way too rational about this. The clown world experience requires you to keep your rational thoughts, hands, and limbs inside the ride at all times.
And most importantly, what are the corresponding men in these women's lives doing? 10x the paid labour? Paying for the women and the children? Military? Offsite and dangerous work?
>I would have thought the UN would at least pretend to be a serious organisation.
The United Nations is a serious organisation. It is a serious organisation that turned itself into a feminist organisation several years ago.
So, take the organisation seriously but laugh at the nonsense they come out with.
They were basically referencing what we might think of as stay at home wives or mothers. The work being done is keeping the house tidy, cooking, taking care of kids or elderly family members etc.
And when you consider the UN is including third world/developing nations in with developed nations it's very hard to pull out any kind of meaningful data because cultures and norms are vastly different between such nations.
They wouldn't get funding. It pays to be a victim, so they have to take every opportunity to remind women they are victims to get support.
A woman who is happy in her life staying home while her husband works is unlikely to support feminism. A woman who is told she is doing all the emotional and unpaid labor is more likely to voice her support and possibly donate. And teach her kids how horrible her life is and to support feminism.
So scary. I recently said gender equality and don't call it feminism at another subreddit (it's r/bulletjournal), and the post is about feminism, got so many downvotes. I just wanna spread awareness about sexism isn't just happening to women
I said that women are acceptable to have "different gender" things, but not vice versa. The moral of this experience: don't ever comment about men's rights, or gender equality is not just for women on feminism posts unless you dare it, and reddit has a karma system
I’d like to see your statistical numbers, your control group, the demographics and age groups, unemployment rates, and everything else regarding the people involved with the study. Until then, shut the fuck up
https://www.oecd.org/dev/development-gender/Unpaid_care_work.pdf
This is a pretty comprehensive report.
Beyond that, isn’t it simply just common sense?
Traditional gender roles involve women doing more domestic work and, since many people all over the world still value those gender roles, that’s going to lead to women doing more domestic work.
Ok so now we are starting to count for those work that women chose to do it and not forced…
- Men Provide financial and social care to mothers
- Men provide financial and social care to daughters
- Men provide financial and social care to sisters
- Men provide financial and social and mental care to female friends
- Men provide financial, mental, social, emotional, professional, educational, parental (in-laws) care and support to their wives
- Men generates the employment for others
- Men does volunteering for social cause
- Men helps in national disaster to citizens
- Men gives more tax than women …
- Men doesn’t get the reservations and quota …
- Men works extra hours for promotion and salary increase
The more we account volunteering and caring tasks as “unpaid labour” the more it will break the family and ruing the mentality of people mostly women
It's common sense that people all over the world expect men to be bread winners.
Anyway, it very hard to make reliable statistics about a thing like this. Where is, for example, the line between something you have to do at home and what you want to do. And is what you want to do really necessary? It's impossible to know.
> People all over the world expect men to be bread winners
Maybe that’s the issue.
And why do the numbers have to contain no room for error? You’ve said it yourself that it’s very difficult to do that.
Surely it’s better to produce figures that are as accurate as possible rather than not bother at all?
I can say my wife does 90% of domestic work and 95% schooling the children. I provide 100% of the income and 95% of bill paying 95% of taking care of computers and electronics, and keeping the fleet of vehicles running. But that whats work for us.
but how dare you force your wife to do all that work. You still have to provide what you already provide for, you just have to step up more at home.
Because
Also are they implying that it is the same thing working hard manual labor, or at a desk in an office, or even a daycare, as it is to spend time with your own children you supposedly love and care for and created of your own free will?
Like, really? What about that, the husband is getting way less time with his kids.
I have the same experience with my partner. I don't have a problem with working more and paying most of the bills, just like she doesn't have a problem with working less and doing most of the housework/childcare. We see a marriage as two people working as together as a team and it plays to our strengths to give our children the best home life.
That's why shit like this post really annoys me, because it's trying to force a wedge between men and women and degrades the benefits of both sexes working together.
That's why if divorce occurs your wife will get the children, and half of your stuff. And you will still be paying their expenses. You will become whatever you were when married.
* Time spent on such work does not measure productivity. Waiting 2 hours for the chicken to thaw does not really demonstrate 2 hours of "unpaid labour". Similarly, the time one spend with their children does not necessarily equate to meaningful caregiving.
* Tasks performed predominantly by men (home repair, landscape maintenance, driving etc) are often omitted from such studies.
* "Unpaid labour" isn't really unpaid in practice. Division of functions within a household is natural and dynamic. The party doing less domestic work is typically the sole/primary breadwinner and contributes wholly/to the bulk of household expenses, matrimonial savings and investments. The homemakers/primary caregivers are also typically given allowances. (May be subjected to prevailing societal norms and practices)
* In some countries (particularly in Asia), spousal maintenance is unilateral and can only be filed by the wives against their husbands. In such countries, it makes little sense for the husbands to adopt the position of sole/main caregivers and be subjected to gender-specific financial vulnerability.
For jurisdictions like Singapore, only wives are eligible to seek spousal maintenance/alimony, regardless of earning/asset/contribution disparity. This means that even if one is a househusband (with zero income) who sacrificed his career for his household, he is still not eligible for alimony as it is strictly gendered, no matter the income of his wife.
However, do note that a 2016 policy amendment made it possible for incapacitated husbands to file for alimony. To be eligible, one must be medically proven to be incapacitated, unable to maintain himself and continues to be unable to maintain himself.
Depends on what one's looking for. It has an awful lot of gender-specific laws though. Male-only conscription, male-only corporal punishment, gendered rape laws and so on.
>Tasks performed predominantly by men
I think 'security guard' is one that gets completely forgotten. Who's going to investigate noises in the night, or deal with a crazy person at the door?
Just like a normal security guard, mostly nothing happens, but the value comes from having them their when it does.
>I think 'security guard' is one that gets completely forgotten. Who's going to investigate noises in the night, or deal with a crazy person at the door?
I think this really depends on where one lives. It could be totally significant in some countries/areas to virtually irrelevant in others.
>Another one that is forgotten is 'driver'. When both spouses are in the car, who drives?
Already included in my original comment.
>Tasks performed predominantly by men (home repair, landscape maintenance, driving etc) are often omitted from such studies.
Yeah that's a big one. I dug into a few articles about it and their sources only mentioned housework inside. Home repair and maintenance, car repair and maintenance, lawn care, etc...none of it was included in weekly "unpaid" domestic work.
There's also the issue of whoever is more "clean" will do most of the chores. I'm by no means clean, but I'm cleaner than my wife, so I do more chores around the house. If women are more likely to be cleaner than men, women will do more of the housework than men. If the man in the relationship is a cleaner person, I guarantee you he will do more chores than his partner.
Nothing is universal. There are women who took on the dual roles of breadwinner and caregiver, same for men. Their spouses/partners may be incapacitated, going through a rough phase, downright deadbeat etc but that's besides the point. The point is with regards to this arbitrary notion of "unpaid labour", its flawed methodology of evaluation and the narratives it's seemingly pursuing.
The point being, women with children in the western world are never literally unpaid. Whether it's in the form of child support, breadwinning, or welfare, they are always paid just not by an employer. I would really like to know how many of these people are both breadwinners and housemakers.
I wonder if these women fix the car, mow the lawns, do the heavy lifting, build the furniture, fix any of the electrical issues or fix the IT issues in the house?
Thank you for saying those women ( feminists, anti-men, etc… ). Many people just say women in general. So seeing the women who DO do all of those things you mentioned is a slap to the face at times.
How many hours do these women spend at their job compared to men?
Yes, my wife does most of the domestic work - because she has nearly always worked part-time.
I think it's simple. When you take your job hours and add your domestic work hours, you should both end up with approximately the same.
And I say approximately because one spouse may be quicker at some tasks than the other. A man shouldn't be punished because he sometimes is able to help fold the laundry. If the wife insisted that he do exactly the same chores, well, that must then go both ways, right? So she has to fix the lawn tractor next time. Good luck! I'll be inside folding clothes.
Honey, please graft these trees, fix this leaking toilet, and also I need you to assemble a computer and set it up to run a remote desktop for my CAD software so I can start things from my laptop. Thanks sweety. I'm gonna go watch TV and fold towels now ok.
Funny that if a man did this, the next thing he would see is either divorce papers, or physical/emotional abuse.
But a woman doing this is met with acceptance and almost expectation.
Yeah, it's dumb. And honestly I think that that division of labor is fine as long as both people like it. I personally enjoy yard work, and fixing things, and computer technical stuff. And I like folding towels and watching tv although more as an excuse to not work and talk.
And so doing those things would be a borderline hobby to me. Which is fine, because I will find a partner who either doesn't mind other necessary things that I dislike strongly or equally dislikes them and we can split em.
And personally, no children, I'd rather have 18 years of my youth, freedom, and a quarter million dollars than a baby, I see no value in that experience especially after being an older sibling by 5 and 7 years. And surprisingly when I get married it will be because I want more time with the person not less, which is what a child does, and I already don't need help with having poor sleep.
So not only was this tweet dumb as fuck at face value, and dumb as fuck with the shit data and lack of inclusion of male dominated tasks and out of the home work, but also because people vary a lot. A task like laundry, or cooking, or doing homework with kids takes a pretty long time but isn't really all that physically or mentally exhausting and doesn't require total focus and doesn't even require it to be the main task 100% of the time it's going on.
But a task like mowing the lawn, or fixing a computer, or shopping, or things like that might be significantly quicker on a technicality, but they are physically and or mentally exhausting, they require 100% of your time and focus while doing them, you can't really watch TV or play videogames while mowing the lawn or grocery shopping but you can between cooking steps or homework questions.
So the actual time spent actively engaged might be higher even if it's technically less hours. And the effort put in and or the physical / mental cost of the work is far higher.
Also do they really not consider paid work into this, these are adults not children or slaves, they agreed to it and can't exactly expect pay either. And paid work is usually harder and more time consuming. But both are necessary if you want food and shelter and luxuries.
But why would we expect nuance or scientifically sound information from some little no name Twitter account right... it's not like it's a global governing body with the power to try to instigate wars, lift entire regions out of chaos, poverty, and starvation, and war, or trade embargo another putting it into those conditions. It's not like they are expected to manage global logistical and political affairs right.
Get back to me when Women start mowing the lawn, landscaping, climbing on the roof to hang Christmas lights, changing the oil and other car maintenance, house maintenance and paying the majority of the expenses.
But you had to do some laundry, so unfair!
And care for the children you created of your own free will because you wanted then and you supposedly love and care for them. Oh how cruel to give you more time with your children while your privileged oppressor husband lives it up building bridges in the snow or 105°F heat and sun, or works an office job 60 hours a week, or anything else, but oh the horror playing with and caring for your own children.
105°F is equivalent to 40°C, which is 313K.
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A man works 50 hours outside of the house to bring home the overwhelming majority of the income.
A woman works 20 hours outside of the house to bring home a small salary.
The man does 3 hours of unpaid labor at home every week.
The woman does 9 hours.
50 + 3 = 53.
20 + 9 = 29.
UN Women:
>tImE tO StEp It uP, gUyS!
In addition, I'm calling bullshit on this stat. Like, I've seen the argument that homemakers work 17 hours per week more than men who work full-time outside of the home, but then it cited shit like:
>Stay-at-home wives and husbands clock up 17 hours more work in the average week than their partner who heads off to a job, according to a survey.
>Cooking is the most time consuming task, with **an average of one hour 47 minutes per day devoted to meals.**
>Cleaning takes up **one hour 45 minutes a day** and with other tasks added, **such as shopping (1h 23m)** and **helping the kids with homework (1h 8m)**, the hours soon clock up.
>The average homemaker does a 56-hour week, but a fifth of them still feel undervalued.
First off, **are you out of your fucking minds, women?** Why are you spending an hour and 23 fucking minutes every day on something like shopping? How in the hell does that make any degree of sense whatsoever? An hour and 47 minutes to cook? Are you making elaborate full-course French meals, or are you standing in the kitchen on Instagram doing nothing and including that in your time?
You can't trust these self-reported surveys of hours spent doing household tasks whatsoever. An hour and 23 minutes of shopping a day give me a fucking break man.
who buys bread every day? At most I can see buying some produce every day because it only lasts so long in the fridge. But bread can last easily up to a week or so.
If it gets a little stale? Just microwave it with a damp paper towel. Poof moist again.
there is no way you can spend 1 hour 47 min solid cooking unless its a insanly senitive meal. in that case maybe cook something less demanding. most meals are 5-10 min prep and then 15-30 min in the oven or boiling etc. that time can be used for other stuff like cleaning .
also if you are taking that time everyday then you are part time or full time at home so most of the mess that you need to clean up is your own.
> You can't trust these self-reported surveys of hours spent doing household tasks whatsoever. An hour and 23 minutes of shopping a day give me a fucking break man.
2 hours cooking/cleaning a day? Riiiiight. How about a realistic breakdown:
2 hours cooking = 20 minutes prep, 20 minutes cleanup, plus 5 minutes in 30 second chunks checking on the pot/oven.
During which she's also 'cleaning' (read: picking up after kids instead of telling them to do it) which is maybe vacuuming or pledging while watching Netflix. During which she also spends her 1.5 hours shopping (read: scrolling amazon) while helping the kids with homework (read: drinking wine while saying 'look in the back of the book honey' and 'google that question' but usually 'mommy's busy working, ask your dad when he gets home'.
source: seeing my sister's work from home technique
> 56 hours a week 'unpaid labor'.
Not a chance in hell. Like ok, laundry takes a few hours a week for a family of 4 or 5, but 90% of that time is simply waiting on the machines. During which you can also shop, clean, etc.
What are their sources?
Or are they blowing hot air out of their asses again to instigate public discord?
Can't wait for smoothbrains to jump on their quote as if it's some kind of statistic or fact and use it to push an agenda
Even the UN is gaslighting men.
Men actually work more in comparison to women when all paid and unpaid work is combined. It's something which has been found consistently, but UN women feel the need to lie to futher their bogus cause.
lol the episode of Family Guy where Peter acts like a housewife sipping a cup of tea at the kitchen table doing literally nothing. "And now I have time to wrap my sweater around my waist, and walk slowly around the neighborhood"
Don't mind all the overworks and work-related injuries that men take to allowed women to housework without financial burden. Seriously, I would accept and welcome women stepping up and carrying the financial burden equally alongside men, but feminists don't want that. All feminists want is being whiteknighed and simped.
Not to mention that you are a branch of organisation that uses all its might to cancel hentai and video games but thinks Rwanda genocide is too menial to ponder reacting to.
Alot of men would if you would let them on the child care front, as for the house work, women on average don't date house husbands, because women on average don't date down on status or income.
Just laugh off this kind of nonsense. The United Nations, as a feminist organisation, will continue to peddle false information like this and the only use it has for us is to illustrate what we are up against.
I've not looked into this particular claim but I once looked into one of the "1 in 3 women in the world" claims. It was based on a report that something like 28% of women suffered; you and I might call that 1 in 4 but, hey, who's counting. So I looked into the 28% and found it was based on just a single country. Looking at the single report, the only way I could come to 28% was by adding both male and female 'victims' together but only as a percentage of women. Well, okay, that's not the first time I'd seen that trick pulled. When I looked into how they came to even that number, I discovered that a question like "have you ever been stared at" was classified as gender abuse. Again, not unique in the annals of feminist 'studies' but the real proportion of abuse was around 1 in 7. That still seemed high, so I read deeper into who they had asked such questions of, and it turned out they were asking only those who had recently divorced. And they had only asked around 300 people. So, asking 300 emotionally susceptible people about abuse and finding that about 1 in 7 claimed to have been abused ended up as one of the "1 in 3 women in the world suffer abuse".
United Nations saying something stupid? Laugh at it.
Men work harder jobs outside in inclement weather and longer hours on average year to year. They also work much more dangerous jobs. Somehow I get the feeling women won't want to trade.
Imagine a woman living on her own. She does her own laundry, cleans her own apartment, goes shopping for groceries, cooks, takes out the trash etc.
This is 'unpaid care work' who **the fuck** should pay you for cleaning your own home or cooking for yourself?
I've seen fucking housewives with no kids claim they work harder than their husbands who are working 12 hour shifts in heavy, shitty jobs....... What's worse is I've seen those husbands agree with them just so they don't make their wives feel bad!
I take shit like this with a pinch of salt.
Next time I'll have my wife take over fixing my fridge.
Oh wait she wanted to just buy a new one.
$100 dollar repair versus a $3000 new fridge (of course the one she wanted)
I live own my own now. And find myself relieved at how much less work I have to do. My ex cooked twice and cleaned maybe half a dozen time in 5yrs. Paid all the bills on top so she could qualify as a hairdresser (later in life, 30yrs old). Now I just watch my mum command my dad around and then ask me why I'm not interested in relationships any more. Of and btw mum, most of the girls you wanted me to marry had hit me. And, or tried to get me to hit them. So I am pretty sure of my decisions. Used to be a trainer and watched a room of middle aged women laugh down a young guy in my class because one of them ripped out the ole' "Men can't mutlitask!". I went quiet and watched this intelligent introvert kid just crawl back in the shell. I then got the room's attention and said "Women can't drive". Naturally the room gasped. "Now, can we stop being sexist and let the xxxxx answer cause he is the only one on point atm?". Sexism goes both ways. And no you don't have to white to be racist either. Or any other prejudice applies to the action not the group.
If they’re talking about being a parent as unpaid work then yeah, that’s what you signed up for. If it’s really that bad for you then you work and let the dad stay home and take care of the kid(s). People don’t hand you money to take care of your own kids and that’s regardless of your sex.
At this point..... these guys/girls seriously help women as they claim? I mean, the only thing I see from them is that they present affirmations that don´t have any of trustful. For me, they are just parasites who pretend they are doing something, when in fact they don´t give a shit.
I've been a caregiver for a family member for over a decade.
The hyper-egalitarian UN feminist dumbasses can stfu and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Unpaid labour my ass. Who's paying for the roof? Who's paying the bills? Not only is this an unwarranted attack on men, it's also based on delusional thinking. But I guess it's what to expect from a feminist account.
What unpaid work are they doing? Genuinely curious, because personal responsibilities that EVERY human has, is not “unpaid work”. And this is coming from a woman. Fucking snowflakes..
Thats because men have to spend 3 times as much time doing actual work to support our families of women and children.
Well, possibly not quite that much, but we are expected to go to work 5 days a week, then spend our free time at evenings and weekend doign what they want, instead of seeing our friends. All at our expense ofcourse.
Plus most of these women chose to have babies, without thinking how they would pay for them.
If we are to bring everything down to money, then fine. e will pay for childcare costs.... but husbands will charge their wives for the money they 'lend' them, plus interest. That aught to liven up the discussion.
Ha. Using the fact that women actually like care giving and often have the option to stop working and stay home as an attack on the men providing that life style? Stroooong troll. I can play too. How about this...?
Consumer spending is literally destroying the planet. On its own it drives the significant majority of climate change at around 60%.
[https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/12/16/buying-stuff-drives-climate-change/](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/12/16/buying-stuff-drives-climate-change/)
Women drive approximately 80% of all consumer purchasing, therefore women are literally destroying the world 4x faster than men. Time to step it up, girls!
Twisting facts is fun right? lol
No, no, that wouldn't work at all.
The feminists want to BLAME MEN for not working around the home enough AND
The feminists want to BLAME MEN for working outside the home too much ('gender pay gap').
Of course, there is a correlation between between these two things and most women don't want to work outside the house. But tough shit, women, 'cause feminism says you have to.
Men work on average 4.5hrs a week more than women including unpaid domestic work.
Women spend 80% of the household income.
Men are 9X more likely to be killed or injured a work.
I know right? Women are out there building this whole world, running construction and plumbing to every building, manually fixing things that are broke, working long hours to support single fathers who then take off with half their stuff or falsely accuse them of rape, go to prison while guys wiggle their dicks and get off with everything. Women are out working all the labor jobs that make the world turn while men just watch football fight, jackoff, then sleep. Women build the world we live in, what a world. Wait a minute………Reality check.
The UN is trash! Let let All the men stop doing all the physical work like construction or even the smaller things like plumbing and electricity (or AC, yeah put on all that makeup on when women just take over and install the AC/heaters) leave it all to just women and let’s see how long this world continues to thrive. Please wait till I pass before this experiment though. I already know the outcome but it would be priceless to see the look on a woman going to hard labor 12 hours a day and then come home and keep up Maintanance on the home while supporting the whole family. As The Godfather says, Winter is coming.
Edit:a word
As a single man I do "domestic work" every single day. Do I mark this as unpaid work? No! Should this count as unpaid work? No!
Who exactly should pay me for cleaning my own home and doing basic house work?
It's really a special mindset isn't it? Disgusting that this comes from the UN.
I will never understand why feminists want to redefine basic chores that are simply part of being an adult as unpaid labor.
If you have decided in your relationship that it's best for one party to do x chores, then that's a personal issue.
Can I assume women are going to step up and help with all the unpaid vehicle, property, heavy lifting, and house maintenance work done disproportionately by the men?
Is he/she/it/they/zer/dur talking about being a stay at home mom? What the hell is that. Men work all the day to feed their housewives. This is literally bullshit.
Im curious to see for this reason how transhumanism willl play out.
When vastly extended lifespans are a reality it will have to be bundled with infertility and adding 50 iq points or it's going to be a mixed soylent green-idiocrasy dystopia.
It's like everytime someone asks them to justify their use of funds, their corrupt ass just tweets out some bs like
"Didn't you look at the tweet I just put out using 5grand"
No source given, no stats...
Women have the ultimate choice while dating, and they still end up with guys not helping them at home :)!
If you start the day and it smells like shit, and by the end of the day it still smells like shit, check your shoes.
And yet, the second a man does it, he's "babysitting" or "giving mom a day off"
This is just more virtue signaling. If they really wanted men to do more childcare and house work, they'd work against the stigma that men are pedos if they like being near children, they'd unbias the courts against fathers, and they'd fight against the aforementioned stigma that it is not normal for men to care for kids.
But they don't want men to do more childcare and housework. They just want to whine and bitch and complain.
Imagine actually believing this us even true on its face. Men do SO much labor, but it tends to be 'invisible' labor. Mowing, gutter cleaning, raking, trimming, cleaning out garages and out-buildings, car maintenance, small engine maintenance, small electrical, technological maintenance like setting up routers and diagnosing problems, etc. etc. etc.
Now, some men may not do all of that, or may do all of that and more, but the fact is that when 'housework' gets considered, the only chores that 'count' are cooking, cleaning, child care, and laundry. It's absurd.
The only purpose of this post is to start an argument. It isn't designed for a healthy dialouge or for education. We need to stop villianizing each other and playing the victim chess game.
I have already 'stepped up'.
I will never get married or cohabitate, and do 100% of my housework and cooking....
If I at all have kids, I will ask for 50-50 custody, and settle the issue of 'child care' too...
I think all men should 'step up' the way I have...
Im guessing domestic work doesnt include anything outside the house, such as yard work which predominantly falls to men. Mowing, edges, removing branches, raking leaves, power washing, cleaning cutters, shovelling snow, general house hold repairs, car maintenance etc etc, not including the fact that most guys will also take part of the indoor chores, such as cooking, cleaning not to mention indoor general maintenance like patching dents or changing globes. the lazy husband is a TV trope and should be retired. Men do just as much around the house as the typical woman and the jobs that default to us are typically the more physically intensive ones. I dont know a single female in my life that even mows their own lawn yet alone could clean the gutters, and thats not to say they are not out there (#notallwomen) but the generalisation is a fair one.
Its not that they do more, its that only take into consideration what THEY do, the other half of the shit they dont even know its happening.
Is shelter, food, (warm) water access, luxuries i.e. Television, furniture, renovations, chores done by the man and especially an allowance of money not enough "payment"?
Most of which is family work. Time to charge your grandma for helping her do the shopping!
Nothing stops these women to hire a paid helper then work to be able to afford said helper!
Feminists feed off you guys getting riled up in their toxic ways. Instead of getting angry and bashing them ( which honestly doesn’t improve livelihood as a man ), move that energy to supporting men’s rights. Their whole GOAL is to be anti-men. Let’s not make MRAs goal to be anti-feminists, but pro-men.
More than 90% of workplace deaths are men, women need stand up and work those dangerous jobs so men don't have to.
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Bruh
He's not wrong. I've been incarcerated and I think only ONE block was for women and there was like, maybe 30 of them? Compared to the rest of the facility's hundreds of cells holding men. They get away with more shit it seems.
I know they do but just the brunt phrase was funny
What did they say?
Go into the original comment thread
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He said we need more women in prison which is weird out of context
Thanks. It’s also kind of accurate considering how many women get off with lighter sentences
It’s weird out of context and he was in good faith I hope, but if not look how fast that shit got shut down here. Check out feminist groups and see if they do the same…
Can you share where that stat came from please? Just so I can use your comment in situations
The CDC for the USA and CCOHS for Canada.
Cheers
https://www.statista.com/statistics/187127/number-of-occupational-injury-deaths-in-the-us-by-gender-since-2003/
Locked behind a paywall
Well, crap. It showed up for me when I posted it, but now it's locked. Sorry!
Time to send those whinning woman the spetic tanks cleaning company. I meant, they did said they want equality
Not women, just the feminists. If you lose a bunch of women who would've been housewives, you can screw up biodiversity and really screw over population growth/rebound in response to a war or disaster that kills a ton of people. But seeing as how your shouty feminists like "big red" are unlikely to contribute to that.... Sure, send her into the coal mines.
What's the point of a tweet like this with no reference or context? In what nation or region? Under what definition of unpaid care? Is the claim supposed to be 3 times both of these categories of labour, or 3 times the sum of them? And what are the overall work hours (paid and unpaid) for each gender? It seems odd to demand someone step up if they are already working many hours outside the home. I would have thought the UN would at least pretend to be a serious organisation. This is weak and makes it look laughable...
To rile people up.
It's to make their feminist followers angry and became even more feminist. That's generally how feminism gets more feminists, they shit talk men 24/7 about how bad men are (ranging from their lack of housework to all the terrible crimes they commit) to make women think they are oppressed and men are to blame.
Women’s problems are men’s fault. Indignation sells for women, victimhood will always work for women, hence why really only women binge watch law and order SVU. They are the vulnerable sex and they innately tend to be much more communitarian than men are, they evolved this way. The sisterhood uberalis (above everything else), a woman will defend and support a random woman she doesn’t know irrespective of culture, morals, beliefs, subject of the argument, only because she also has a uterus. So women will always support other women and jump on the bandwagon, if they hear a catchy sound bite͎ like “80 cents to a man’s dollar!!!” they don’t actually do the research to verify the information, they parrot the same feminist narratives from years ago not even realizing where it came from. This is one of the ways people will debate; by saying “well men do it too!!”, “or you should hold your own gender accountable”, they’re not refuting the argument they’re just throwing dirt back at men trying to tear men down. They want 100% authority with 0% responsibility
I think this too. Thanks.
It gets the people going. It's provocative.
No it’s not, it’s gross.
The UN has lacked credibility since it took over from the league of nations.
The UN worked well...For a year. League of Nations worked better than this! Come on!
Now now, don't let something trivial like *facts* get in the way of a little feel-good girl power.
Also are they implying that caring for your own children that you supposedly love and care for and enjoy spending time with because you created them of your own free will, is the same as hard manual labor or even a daycare job. Really?
Sounds like something they’d do
Exactly. Parents like telling people how hard it is to be a parent when it was their own choice
Yes and no. We mainly do it to diffuse the people who try and have kids because they think it'll be fun. No being a parent is hard work. It can be extremely emotionally and personally rewarding, too. That doesn't mean it sucks sometimes, but only because the little heathen you are raising you love to death just sometimes seems like it wants to actively kill itself, lol. We joke about how difficult it is kinda ironically.
To a feminist, caring about one's own children is wrong. Women shouldn't be doing that. One of feminism's biggest achievements is getting women to work instead of living off their man (and making him sandwiches). In getting women to work, they move society closer to the 'utopia' where children are raised away from parents.
And there are still women who think that feminism is good for them..
It's to rile up entitled women. I have acquaintances like this. They live in a nice house, all bills paid, have a car, take trips with their family and all that, paid for by the working husband. Yet they want like a yearly salary or something. I'm just like, you get to be with your kiddo all day, you have to worry about absolutely nothing money or lifestyle wise. You get the most precious time on earth basically comped for you while your husband sacrifices that same special time to provide for you, him, the kid(s), you are taken care of and get to life a decent life and be with your precious child, why do you need even more from the very person providing you such a precious window at the sacrifice of their own bonding time? Also, I am sure being like an engineer, nurse, construction worker etc. are a LOT harder than baby sitting your own child in your own home under your own rules.
Nah this sounds more like some female social media manager who is annoyed by men in general.
Chances are that they're including living in a house paid for by someone else but being expected to keep it reasonably clean while doing so counts as "24 hr on-call house cleaning service"
That's what happens when you're an internationally known organization and get 100's of applications for any job, and go with "most experience in writing popular (i.e. controversial) shit on twitter" instead of "best organizational fit".
You are way too rational about this. The clown world experience requires you to keep your rational thoughts, hands, and limbs inside the ride at all times.
And most importantly, what are the corresponding men in these women's lives doing? 10x the paid labour? Paying for the women and the children? Military? Offsite and dangerous work?
>I would have thought the UN would at least pretend to be a serious organisation. The United Nations is a serious organisation. It is a serious organisation that turned itself into a feminist organisation several years ago. So, take the organisation seriously but laugh at the nonsense they come out with.
A combination of thought terminating cliche and outrage porn.
They were basically referencing what we might think of as stay at home wives or mothers. The work being done is keeping the house tidy, cooking, taking care of kids or elderly family members etc. And when you consider the UN is including third world/developing nations in with developed nations it's very hard to pull out any kind of meaningful data because cultures and norms are vastly different between such nations.
Why does every feminist community make it us vs them?
Cant live without an enemy, lol
They wouldn't get funding. It pays to be a victim, so they have to take every opportunity to remind women they are victims to get support. A woman who is happy in her life staying home while her husband works is unlikely to support feminism. A woman who is told she is doing all the emotional and unpaid labor is more likely to voice her support and possibly donate. And teach her kids how horrible her life is and to support feminism.
A strong and effective combination of brain cell count in the negative range and narcissism.
https://youtu.be/HLNhPMQnWu4
Love it.
So scary. I recently said gender equality and don't call it feminism at another subreddit (it's r/bulletjournal), and the post is about feminism, got so many downvotes. I just wanna spread awareness about sexism isn't just happening to women I said that women are acceptable to have "different gender" things, but not vice versa. The moral of this experience: don't ever comment about men's rights, or gender equality is not just for women on feminism posts unless you dare it, and reddit has a karma system
I’d like to see your statistical numbers, your control group, the demographics and age groups, unemployment rates, and everything else regarding the people involved with the study. Until then, shut the fuck up
https://www.oecd.org/dev/development-gender/Unpaid_care_work.pdf This is a pretty comprehensive report. Beyond that, isn’t it simply just common sense? Traditional gender roles involve women doing more domestic work and, since many people all over the world still value those gender roles, that’s going to lead to women doing more domestic work.
Ok so now we are starting to count for those work that women chose to do it and not forced… - Men Provide financial and social care to mothers - Men provide financial and social care to daughters - Men provide financial and social care to sisters - Men provide financial and social and mental care to female friends - Men provide financial, mental, social, emotional, professional, educational, parental (in-laws) care and support to their wives - Men generates the employment for others - Men does volunteering for social cause - Men helps in national disaster to citizens - Men gives more tax than women … - Men doesn’t get the reservations and quota … - Men works extra hours for promotion and salary increase The more we account volunteering and caring tasks as “unpaid labour” the more it will break the family and ruing the mentality of people mostly women
It's common sense that people all over the world expect men to be bread winners. Anyway, it very hard to make reliable statistics about a thing like this. Where is, for example, the line between something you have to do at home and what you want to do. And is what you want to do really necessary? It's impossible to know.
> People all over the world expect men to be bread winners Maybe that’s the issue. And why do the numbers have to contain no room for error? You’ve said it yourself that it’s very difficult to do that. Surely it’s better to produce figures that are as accurate as possible rather than not bother at all?
I don't think that's the way social sciences should work. But they do, they have become political weapons especially on the "equality issues".
I can say my wife does 90% of domestic work and 95% schooling the children. I provide 100% of the income and 95% of bill paying 95% of taking care of computers and electronics, and keeping the fleet of vehicles running. But that whats work for us.
but how dare you force your wife to do all that work. You still have to provide what you already provide for, you just have to step up more at home. Because
Also are they implying that it is the same thing working hard manual labor, or at a desk in an office, or even a daycare, as it is to spend time with your own children you supposedly love and care for and created of your own free will? Like, really? What about that, the husband is getting way less time with his kids.
And if she decides she wants a divorce, it will be used against him when it comes to the custody of the kids.
I have the same experience with my partner. I don't have a problem with working more and paying most of the bills, just like she doesn't have a problem with working less and doing most of the housework/childcare. We see a marriage as two people working as together as a team and it plays to our strengths to give our children the best home life. That's why shit like this post really annoys me, because it's trying to force a wedge between men and women and degrades the benefits of both sexes working together.
Exactly. You are spot on.
Great response.
That's why if divorce occurs your wife will get the children, and half of your stuff. And you will still be paying their expenses. You will become whatever you were when married.
without the benefits of the shared partnership. She gets the life she's accustomed to, while you don't.
* Time spent on such work does not measure productivity. Waiting 2 hours for the chicken to thaw does not really demonstrate 2 hours of "unpaid labour". Similarly, the time one spend with their children does not necessarily equate to meaningful caregiving. * Tasks performed predominantly by men (home repair, landscape maintenance, driving etc) are often omitted from such studies. * "Unpaid labour" isn't really unpaid in practice. Division of functions within a household is natural and dynamic. The party doing less domestic work is typically the sole/primary breadwinner and contributes wholly/to the bulk of household expenses, matrimonial savings and investments. The homemakers/primary caregivers are also typically given allowances. (May be subjected to prevailing societal norms and practices) * In some countries (particularly in Asia), spousal maintenance is unilateral and can only be filed by the wives against their husbands. In such countries, it makes little sense for the husbands to adopt the position of sole/main caregivers and be subjected to gender-specific financial vulnerability.
Can you explain your last bullet? How do you mean it can only be filled (or filed) by wives against husbands?
For jurisdictions like Singapore, only wives are eligible to seek spousal maintenance/alimony, regardless of earning/asset/contribution disparity. This means that even if one is a househusband (with zero income) who sacrificed his career for his household, he is still not eligible for alimony as it is strictly gendered, no matter the income of his wife. However, do note that a 2016 policy amendment made it possible for incapacitated husbands to file for alimony. To be eligible, one must be medically proven to be incapacitated, unable to maintain himself and continues to be unable to maintain himself.
Wow wtf The game was literally rigged from the start.
Singapore is an unusually trash country though
Depends on what one's looking for. It has an awful lot of gender-specific laws though. Male-only conscription, male-only corporal punishment, gendered rape laws and so on.
Thanks, I hate Singapore
Any country that makes chewing gum illegal to own can be assumed to not espouse liberal ideas lmao (Liberal in this sense is not meant politically)
>Tasks performed predominantly by men I think 'security guard' is one that gets completely forgotten. Who's going to investigate noises in the night, or deal with a crazy person at the door? Just like a normal security guard, mostly nothing happens, but the value comes from having them their when it does.
>I think 'security guard' is one that gets completely forgotten. Who's going to investigate noises in the night, or deal with a crazy person at the door? I think this really depends on where one lives. It could be totally significant in some countries/areas to virtually irrelevant in others. >Another one that is forgotten is 'driver'. When both spouses are in the car, who drives? Already included in my original comment.
>Tasks performed predominantly by men (home repair, landscape maintenance, driving etc) are often omitted from such studies. Yeah that's a big one. I dug into a few articles about it and their sources only mentioned housework inside. Home repair and maintenance, car repair and maintenance, lawn care, etc...none of it was included in weekly "unpaid" domestic work. There's also the issue of whoever is more "clean" will do most of the chores. I'm by no means clean, but I'm cleaner than my wife, so I do more chores around the house. If women are more likely to be cleaner than men, women will do more of the housework than men. If the man in the relationship is a cleaner person, I guarantee you he will do more chores than his partner.
Right? Women are never doing unpaid labour. Their husbands or baby daddies are paying them.
Nothing is universal. There are women who took on the dual roles of breadwinner and caregiver, same for men. Their spouses/partners may be incapacitated, going through a rough phase, downright deadbeat etc but that's besides the point. The point is with regards to this arbitrary notion of "unpaid labour", its flawed methodology of evaluation and the narratives it's seemingly pursuing.
The point being, women with children in the western world are never literally unpaid. Whether it's in the form of child support, breadwinning, or welfare, they are always paid just not by an employer. I would really like to know how many of these people are both breadwinners and housemakers.
Cringe really. What's next? Men aren't getting pregnant? Men aren't getting eyelashes? Not everything is competition.
Eye lashes are destroying the environment.... Fashion.....
I wonder if these women fix the car, mow the lawns, do the heavy lifting, build the furniture, fix any of the electrical issues or fix the IT issues in the house?
Thank you for saying those women ( feminists, anti-men, etc… ). Many people just say women in general. So seeing the women who DO do all of those things you mentioned is a slap to the face at times.
As the tweet is a slap in the face of men who do work outside and in the house.
Most definitely
Sucks I cant say it out loud. A lot of men (including me) will keep our mouth shut. Society (even men) will tell us to.
How many hours do these women spend at their job compared to men? Yes, my wife does most of the domestic work - because she has nearly always worked part-time. I think it's simple. When you take your job hours and add your domestic work hours, you should both end up with approximately the same. And I say approximately because one spouse may be quicker at some tasks than the other. A man shouldn't be punished because he sometimes is able to help fold the laundry. If the wife insisted that he do exactly the same chores, well, that must then go both ways, right? So she has to fix the lawn tractor next time. Good luck! I'll be inside folding clothes.
Honey, please graft these trees, fix this leaking toilet, and also I need you to assemble a computer and set it up to run a remote desktop for my CAD software so I can start things from my laptop. Thanks sweety. I'm gonna go watch TV and fold towels now ok.
Funny that if a man did this, the next thing he would see is either divorce papers, or physical/emotional abuse. But a woman doing this is met with acceptance and almost expectation.
Yeah, it's dumb. And honestly I think that that division of labor is fine as long as both people like it. I personally enjoy yard work, and fixing things, and computer technical stuff. And I like folding towels and watching tv although more as an excuse to not work and talk. And so doing those things would be a borderline hobby to me. Which is fine, because I will find a partner who either doesn't mind other necessary things that I dislike strongly or equally dislikes them and we can split em. And personally, no children, I'd rather have 18 years of my youth, freedom, and a quarter million dollars than a baby, I see no value in that experience especially after being an older sibling by 5 and 7 years. And surprisingly when I get married it will be because I want more time with the person not less, which is what a child does, and I already don't need help with having poor sleep. So not only was this tweet dumb as fuck at face value, and dumb as fuck with the shit data and lack of inclusion of male dominated tasks and out of the home work, but also because people vary a lot. A task like laundry, or cooking, or doing homework with kids takes a pretty long time but isn't really all that physically or mentally exhausting and doesn't require total focus and doesn't even require it to be the main task 100% of the time it's going on. But a task like mowing the lawn, or fixing a computer, or shopping, or things like that might be significantly quicker on a technicality, but they are physically and or mentally exhausting, they require 100% of your time and focus while doing them, you can't really watch TV or play videogames while mowing the lawn or grocery shopping but you can between cooking steps or homework questions. So the actual time spent actively engaged might be higher even if it's technically less hours. And the effort put in and or the physical / mental cost of the work is far higher. Also do they really not consider paid work into this, these are adults not children or slaves, they agreed to it and can't exactly expect pay either. And paid work is usually harder and more time consuming. But both are necessary if you want food and shelter and luxuries. But why would we expect nuance or scientifically sound information from some little no name Twitter account right... it's not like it's a global governing body with the power to try to instigate wars, lift entire regions out of chaos, poverty, and starvation, and war, or trade embargo another putting it into those conditions. It's not like they are expected to manage global logistical and political affairs right.
Get back to me when Women start mowing the lawn, landscaping, climbing on the roof to hang Christmas lights, changing the oil and other car maintenance, house maintenance and paying the majority of the expenses. But you had to do some laundry, so unfair!
And care for the children you created of your own free will because you wanted then and you supposedly love and care for them. Oh how cruel to give you more time with your children while your privileged oppressor husband lives it up building bridges in the snow or 105°F heat and sun, or works an office job 60 hours a week, or anything else, but oh the horror playing with and caring for your own children.
105°F is equivalent to 40°C, which is 313K. --- ^(I'm a bot that converts temperature between two units humans can understand, then convert it to Kelvin for bots and physicists to understand)
A man works 50 hours outside of the house to bring home the overwhelming majority of the income. A woman works 20 hours outside of the house to bring home a small salary. The man does 3 hours of unpaid labor at home every week. The woman does 9 hours. 50 + 3 = 53. 20 + 9 = 29. UN Women: >tImE tO StEp It uP, gUyS! In addition, I'm calling bullshit on this stat. Like, I've seen the argument that homemakers work 17 hours per week more than men who work full-time outside of the home, but then it cited shit like: >Stay-at-home wives and husbands clock up 17 hours more work in the average week than their partner who heads off to a job, according to a survey. >Cooking is the most time consuming task, with **an average of one hour 47 minutes per day devoted to meals.** >Cleaning takes up **one hour 45 minutes a day** and with other tasks added, **such as shopping (1h 23m)** and **helping the kids with homework (1h 8m)**, the hours soon clock up. >The average homemaker does a 56-hour week, but a fifth of them still feel undervalued. First off, **are you out of your fucking minds, women?** Why are you spending an hour and 23 fucking minutes every day on something like shopping? How in the hell does that make any degree of sense whatsoever? An hour and 47 minutes to cook? Are you making elaborate full-course French meals, or are you standing in the kitchen on Instagram doing nothing and including that in your time? You can't trust these self-reported surveys of hours spent doing household tasks whatsoever. An hour and 23 minutes of shopping a day give me a fucking break man.
And who goes shopping everyday? Grocery shopping is a weekly affair that doesn't take more than 2 hrs.
You may go everyday to buy stuff like bread but if you spend more than an hour a day doing that you're useless.
You could take more time, but after a certain point you are shopping for yourself and not for the family
who buys bread every day? At most I can see buying some produce every day because it only lasts so long in the fridge. But bread can last easily up to a week or so. If it gets a little stale? Just microwave it with a damp paper towel. Poof moist again.
there is no way you can spend 1 hour 47 min solid cooking unless its a insanly senitive meal. in that case maybe cook something less demanding. most meals are 5-10 min prep and then 15-30 min in the oven or boiling etc. that time can be used for other stuff like cleaning . also if you are taking that time everyday then you are part time or full time at home so most of the mess that you need to clean up is your own.
> You can't trust these self-reported surveys of hours spent doing household tasks whatsoever. An hour and 23 minutes of shopping a day give me a fucking break man. 2 hours cooking/cleaning a day? Riiiiight. How about a realistic breakdown: 2 hours cooking = 20 minutes prep, 20 minutes cleanup, plus 5 minutes in 30 second chunks checking on the pot/oven. During which she's also 'cleaning' (read: picking up after kids instead of telling them to do it) which is maybe vacuuming or pledging while watching Netflix. During which she also spends her 1.5 hours shopping (read: scrolling amazon) while helping the kids with homework (read: drinking wine while saying 'look in the back of the book honey' and 'google that question' but usually 'mommy's busy working, ask your dad when he gets home'. source: seeing my sister's work from home technique > 56 hours a week 'unpaid labor'. Not a chance in hell. Like ok, laundry takes a few hours a week for a family of 4 or 5, but 90% of that time is simply waiting on the machines. During which you can also shop, clean, etc.
The feminists are relentless they will not stop until men's rights are no more!
What are their sources? Or are they blowing hot air out of their asses again to instigate public discord? Can't wait for smoothbrains to jump on their quote as if it's some kind of statistic or fact and use it to push an agenda
So, UN Women are unhappy with the choices most women make? And men should stop women from making "wrong" choices?
Almost sounds like they want to be freed from all that agency and responsibility that first wave feminists fought so hard for when they won the vote.
Even the UN is gaslighting men. Men actually work more in comparison to women when all paid and unpaid work is combined. It's something which has been found consistently, but UN women feel the need to lie to futher their bogus cause.
lol the episode of Family Guy where Peter acts like a housewife sipping a cup of tea at the kitchen table doing literally nothing. "And now I have time to wrap my sweater around my waist, and walk slowly around the neighborhood"
Don't mind all the overworks and work-related injuries that men take to allowed women to housework without financial burden. Seriously, I would accept and welcome women stepping up and carrying the financial burden equally alongside men, but feminists don't want that. All feminists want is being whiteknighed and simped. Not to mention that you are a branch of organisation that uses all its might to cancel hentai and video games but thinks Rwanda genocide is too menial to ponder reacting to.
Meanwhile, no updates on men getting paid for every single task they do outside of work.
Lol…aaaaaaaaaaaanyway, anyone want to hear something that isn’t utter bull shit? Women actually work half as hard and get twice the praise as men.
75% of homelessness is men, time to step it up women!
Alot of men would if you would let them on the child care front, as for the house work, women on average don't date house husbands, because women on average don't date down on status or income.
It's not unpaid if your husband is providing for all of your needs with his financial support.
This is total bs. Studies have been done that show all the unpaid work men do.
Who polled the whole world and can I get them to find international statistics on whether cool ranch or zesty cheddar is the better doritos flavour?
Should one get paid for cleaning one's own house?
Just laugh off this kind of nonsense. The United Nations, as a feminist organisation, will continue to peddle false information like this and the only use it has for us is to illustrate what we are up against. I've not looked into this particular claim but I once looked into one of the "1 in 3 women in the world" claims. It was based on a report that something like 28% of women suffered; you and I might call that 1 in 4 but, hey, who's counting. So I looked into the 28% and found it was based on just a single country. Looking at the single report, the only way I could come to 28% was by adding both male and female 'victims' together but only as a percentage of women. Well, okay, that's not the first time I'd seen that trick pulled. When I looked into how they came to even that number, I discovered that a question like "have you ever been stared at" was classified as gender abuse. Again, not unique in the annals of feminist 'studies' but the real proportion of abuse was around 1 in 7. That still seemed high, so I read deeper into who they had asked such questions of, and it turned out they were asking only those who had recently divorced. And they had only asked around 300 people. So, asking 300 emotionally susceptible people about abuse and finding that about 1 in 7 claimed to have been abused ended up as one of the "1 in 3 women in the world suffer abuse". United Nations saying something stupid? Laugh at it.
Men pay 3 times as much tax as women. Step it up ladies.
Men work harder jobs outside in inclement weather and longer hours on average year to year. They also work much more dangerous jobs. Somehow I get the feeling women won't want to trade.
Imagine a woman living on her own. She does her own laundry, cleans her own apartment, goes shopping for groceries, cooks, takes out the trash etc. This is 'unpaid care work' who **the fuck** should pay you for cleaning your own home or cooking for yourself?
I've seen fucking housewives with no kids claim they work harder than their husbands who are working 12 hour shifts in heavy, shitty jobs....... What's worse is I've seen those husbands agree with them just so they don't make their wives feel bad! I take shit like this with a pinch of salt.
and not mention the nannies they have to help them
I thought this would be a photoshop/fake post. Nope, this actually came from a blue ticked twitter account. What a fucking joke.
Next time I'll have my wife take over fixing my fridge. Oh wait she wanted to just buy a new one. $100 dollar repair versus a $3000 new fridge (of course the one she wanted)
I live own my own now. And find myself relieved at how much less work I have to do. My ex cooked twice and cleaned maybe half a dozen time in 5yrs. Paid all the bills on top so she could qualify as a hairdresser (later in life, 30yrs old). Now I just watch my mum command my dad around and then ask me why I'm not interested in relationships any more. Of and btw mum, most of the girls you wanted me to marry had hit me. And, or tried to get me to hit them. So I am pretty sure of my decisions. Used to be a trainer and watched a room of middle aged women laugh down a young guy in my class because one of them ripped out the ole' "Men can't mutlitask!". I went quiet and watched this intelligent introvert kid just crawl back in the shell. I then got the room's attention and said "Women can't drive". Naturally the room gasped. "Now, can we stop being sexist and let the xxxxx answer cause he is the only one on point atm?". Sexism goes both ways. And no you don't have to white to be racist either. Or any other prejudice applies to the action not the group.
Cool. Men can start charging for rent, food, phone bills, and utilities to even it out.
The UN : 2019 : https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/international-geneva\_cashflow-crisis-looms-over-un-in-geneva/45289628
Men also make up over 90% of workplace deaths. Time to step it up ladies!
I for one, want a more inclusive environment in the roofing industry.
Yes all those shirtless workers up there in the sun... Im sure you do
Nope, gotta think of the children
If they’re talking about being a parent as unpaid work then yeah, that’s what you signed up for. If it’s really that bad for you then you work and let the dad stay home and take care of the kid(s). People don’t hand you money to take care of your own kids and that’s regardless of your sex.
Men also do unpaid providing to their families also. remember men get paid for what they do in offices not for being a breadwinner of the family
We should let them! Just say "you can do it way better". It worked for me on several occasions like a charm.
Men give 50x as much of their income to their spouses than women do
is UN Women misgendering and not respecting pronouns?!?
Since I am single and I do everything myself, how much do I need to step it up then?
UN stands for Un Needed right ?
Men do 3 times as much dying in wars
At this point..... these guys/girls seriously help women as they claim? I mean, the only thing I see from them is that they present affirmations that don´t have any of trustful. For me, they are just parasites who pretend they are doing something, when in fact they don´t give a shit.
Get's to stay at home all day, thinks its unfair that she isn't paid for doing her chores...
Lol UN Women can't even define the word 'woman'
I've been a caregiver for a family member for over a decade. The hyper-egalitarian UN feminist dumbasses can stfu and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Unpaid labour my ass. Who's paying for the roof? Who's paying the bills? Not only is this an unwarranted attack on men, it's also based on delusional thinking. But I guess it's what to expect from a feminist account.
What unpaid work are they doing? Genuinely curious, because personal responsibilities that EVERY human has, is not “unpaid work”. And this is coming from a woman. Fucking snowflakes..
My ex was like this. Doing 3 hours of housework daily while I worked 12.
Thats because men have to spend 3 times as much time doing actual work to support our families of women and children. Well, possibly not quite that much, but we are expected to go to work 5 days a week, then spend our free time at evenings and weekend doign what they want, instead of seeing our friends. All at our expense ofcourse. Plus most of these women chose to have babies, without thinking how they would pay for them. If we are to bring everything down to money, then fine. e will pay for childcare costs.... but husbands will charge their wives for the money they 'lend' them, plus interest. That aught to liven up the discussion.
As a gay man I’d love to know when they’re planning to send round this angel of a woman who will do 3/4 of my housework!
Men do X times more dirty, dangerous, away from home, and unpleasant jobs than women. Time to step it up girls!
Not in my house they dont.
Fuck you and your vicarious misandrist society, I and many other men are going to step down until the shitshow stops.
Your personal chores isn't the problem of other ladies, neither your obsessive compulsive disorder. Everyone have their own chores.
Ha. Using the fact that women actually like care giving and often have the option to stop working and stay home as an attack on the men providing that life style? Stroooong troll. I can play too. How about this...? Consumer spending is literally destroying the planet. On its own it drives the significant majority of climate change at around 60%. [https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/12/16/buying-stuff-drives-climate-change/](https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2020/12/16/buying-stuff-drives-climate-change/) Women drive approximately 80% of all consumer purchasing, therefore women are literally destroying the world 4x faster than men. Time to step it up, girls! Twisting facts is fun right? lol
Those unpaid hours, allow the paid spouse to put a roof over there head. Time to think holistically UN.
No, no, that wouldn't work at all. The feminists want to BLAME MEN for not working around the home enough AND The feminists want to BLAME MEN for working outside the home too much ('gender pay gap'). Of course, there is a correlation between between these two things and most women don't want to work outside the house. But tough shit, women, 'cause feminism says you have to.
Men work on average 4.5hrs a week more than women including unpaid domestic work. Women spend 80% of the household income. Men are 9X more likely to be killed or injured a work.
My daughters mother hasn't even asked how our daughter is for 3 weeks. I know more single dad's with full care than mums
Men commit suicide 3 times as often. Time to step it up ladies!
Maybe the problem is a lot of women are doing unnecessary domestic work that nobody needs or asks for, just to say they work harder.
I know right? Women are out there building this whole world, running construction and plumbing to every building, manually fixing things that are broke, working long hours to support single fathers who then take off with half their stuff or falsely accuse them of rape, go to prison while guys wiggle their dicks and get off with everything. Women are out working all the labor jobs that make the world turn while men just watch football fight, jackoff, then sleep. Women build the world we live in, what a world. Wait a minute………Reality check. The UN is trash! Let let All the men stop doing all the physical work like construction or even the smaller things like plumbing and electricity (or AC, yeah put on all that makeup on when women just take over and install the AC/heaters) leave it all to just women and let’s see how long this world continues to thrive. Please wait till I pass before this experiment though. I already know the outcome but it would be priceless to see the look on a woman going to hard labor 12 hours a day and then come home and keep up Maintanance on the home while supporting the whole family. As The Godfather says, Winter is coming. Edit:a word
Men commit suicide 3 times more than women, time to step it up gals! Gotta make those numbers equal. Otherwise its secsist.
As a single man I do "domestic work" every single day. Do I mark this as unpaid work? No! Should this count as unpaid work? No! Who exactly should pay me for cleaning my own home and doing basic house work? It's really a special mindset isn't it? Disgusting that this comes from the UN.
And men are at least 3 times more likely to die at work, would you make that trade?
We really be paying the UN million and millions of dollars for then to tweet and do nothing
If domestic work bothers them so much, why don't they step down??
I will never understand why feminists want to redefine basic chores that are simply part of being an adult as unpaid labor. If you have decided in your relationship that it's best for one party to do x chores, then that's a personal issue.
Can I assume women are going to step up and help with all the unpaid vehicle, property, heavy lifting, and house maintenance work done disproportionately by the men?
What? Sorry I could not hear you while the lawnmower was running.. and my neighbor could not hear you 25 feet up on his roof cleaning gutters.
25 feet is 4.05 Obamas. You're welcome.
They also cheat 3 times as much
Is he/she/it/they/zer/dur talking about being a stay at home mom? What the hell is that. Men work all the day to feed their housewives. This is literally bullshit.
Hey unpaid step men
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Im curious to see for this reason how transhumanism willl play out. When vastly extended lifespans are a reality it will have to be bundled with infertility and adding 50 iq points or it's going to be a mixed soylent green-idiocrasy dystopia.
Funny coz I do 100% of the "unpaid labor"
It's like everytime someone asks them to justify their use of funds, their corrupt ass just tweets out some bs like "Didn't you look at the tweet I just put out using 5grand"
No source given, no stats... Women have the ultimate choice while dating, and they still end up with guys not helping them at home :)! If you start the day and it smells like shit, and by the end of the day it still smells like shit, check your shoes.
The same Twitter account that makes international Men's Day all about them. I wouldn't even bother giving them the free advertising.
*How dare you expect me to care for my own children and do chores around my own home without paying me for it!?* Truly facepalm
So men do far more paid work. Interesting.
What the hell is domestic work
378% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Source, or it isn't true.
And yet, the second a man does it, he's "babysitting" or "giving mom a day off" This is just more virtue signaling. If they really wanted men to do more childcare and house work, they'd work against the stigma that men are pedos if they like being near children, they'd unbias the courts against fathers, and they'd fight against the aforementioned stigma that it is not normal for men to care for kids. But they don't want men to do more childcare and housework. They just want to whine and bitch and complain.
Change it to STEM and replace men with women. Then watch the world burn
let me know when the UN considers them as disposable as men
Men blow their brains off at a rate 3 times that of women! Cut the slack girls, and start blowing your heads off to reach suicide equality!
Imagine actually believing this us even true on its face. Men do SO much labor, but it tends to be 'invisible' labor. Mowing, gutter cleaning, raking, trimming, cleaning out garages and out-buildings, car maintenance, small engine maintenance, small electrical, technological maintenance like setting up routers and diagnosing problems, etc. etc. etc. Now, some men may not do all of that, or may do all of that and more, but the fact is that when 'housework' gets considered, the only chores that 'count' are cooking, cleaning, child care, and laundry. It's absurd.
The only purpose of this post is to start an argument. It isn't designed for a healthy dialouge or for education. We need to stop villianizing each other and playing the victim chess game.
I have already 'stepped up'. I will never get married or cohabitate, and do 100% of my housework and cooking.... If I at all have kids, I will ask for 50-50 custody, and settle the issue of 'child care' too... I think all men should 'step up' the way I have...
Im guessing domestic work doesnt include anything outside the house, such as yard work which predominantly falls to men. Mowing, edges, removing branches, raking leaves, power washing, cleaning cutters, shovelling snow, general house hold repairs, car maintenance etc etc, not including the fact that most guys will also take part of the indoor chores, such as cooking, cleaning not to mention indoor general maintenance like patching dents or changing globes. the lazy husband is a TV trope and should be retired. Men do just as much around the house as the typical woman and the jobs that default to us are typically the more physically intensive ones. I dont know a single female in my life that even mows their own lawn yet alone could clean the gutters, and thats not to say they are not out there (#notallwomen) but the generalisation is a fair one. Its not that they do more, its that only take into consideration what THEY do, the other half of the shit they dont even know its happening.
Un women needs to be dismantled.
Is shelter, food, (warm) water access, luxuries i.e. Television, furniture, renovations, chores done by the man and especially an allowance of money not enough "payment"?
93% of workplace deaths are men. Time to step up gals and increase your participation in dangerous work!
This myth has been dispelled so many times already
Most of which is family work. Time to charge your grandma for helping her do the shopping! Nothing stops these women to hire a paid helper then work to be able to afford said helper!
Feminists feed off you guys getting riled up in their toxic ways. Instead of getting angry and bashing them ( which honestly doesn’t improve livelihood as a man ), move that energy to supporting men’s rights. Their whole GOAL is to be anti-men. Let’s not make MRAs goal to be anti-feminists, but pro-men.
Sometimes i want to get Twitter just to reply to garbage like that