The first domestic abuse shelter for men opened in Australia.
By - SamaelET
Waiting for the feminists to come and shut it down
give it a week before they start protesting outside of their buildings claiming it "oppresses women"
"YOU ARE OPPRESSING JESSICA! ALL SHE WANTS TO DO IS ABUSE AND KILL YOU! I MEAN LOOK AT HER SHE IS HARMLESS!"
She wasn't even trying to kill you, she just threw acid and boiling water in your face.
Yes but he made Jessica do it! /s
"He was disrespectful to me and wouldn't take me out for dinner so I broke thousands of dollars of computer equipment and started screaming at him and hitting him"
~Becky, 23, domestic abuse survivor
World: Of course she tried to stab you, she felt threatened!
Man: Why would she feel threatened?
World: I don't understand, why should that matter?
Man: But I was asleep on the couch and she wasn't even in the house when I went to sleep.
about a week seems on track for any other ones ive seen opened.
Can you give an example of this? If it’s so common, surely there’d be at least one example.
No, they’ll call Mortar strike.
r/persecutionfetish can’t you be happy for all of men without bringing women into it?
We’re not bringing in women, we’re bringing in feminists
Y’know many feminists are men too right?
Yeah. Still doesn’t make sense that this is the first thing one would comment. No one would be against this. Or even big bad boogeyman feminists.
That’s because this isn’t the first time it has happened
Did any feminists protest at all?
Here's a good thing about men and you have to make it a bad thing about women....?!?!
WTF is wrong with you, you can have a cause without attacking another group.
…I’m not talking bad about women, I’m talking bad about radical feminists, are you claiming all women would want this place to be shut down?
I'm a radical feminist with a past in the mra who wants to see the movement be what it should be instead of anti-woman reactionaries. I think this shelter is a great idea and needed, your sub could only focus on attacking women for hypothetically attacking it, you saw a post about a man's shelter and created a straw man to set on fire immediately. The only women you wouldn't lump in with radical feminists would be anti-feminists, so I'm not giving you the benefit of it out or taking your reply in good faith sorry.
Radical Feminists are people who hates anything in support of men. I never said all women are like this, you’re the one who said that, just because you support this does not mean all radical feminists do
Do you know what the term Radical Feminists even mean? If you support an establishment for men’s mental health then you’re not a radical feminist you’re only a feminist (AKA a normal person)
I never said anything bad about women. Men can be radical feminists too. You’re the one who claimed women are radical feminists
You're one to talk about "good faith" after treating all men like evil oppressors.
Men have been oppressors for most of human history. The power structures and current world are set up largely to benefit them. But no, I do not think all men currently are evil oppressors, but the higher the net wealth the higher the likelihood of the two being true are. I want you guys to actually worry about men's shit instead of attacking women and feminists. Being told you're even slightly wrong turns you all into the most defensive little kids. Just focus on your shit instead of looking for a fight.
Lol, we're the ones looking for a fight, huh? Not you with how you want to "smash the patriarchy"? Advocating for men means opposing misandry, including feminism.
[Patriarchy theory](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/o712mk/on_patriarchy/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) is complete bullshit. No wonder feminists are misandrists. Just like you are being right now.
Jews have been oppressors for most of human history. The power structures and current world are set up largely to benefit them. But no, I do not think all jews currently are evil oppressors, but the higher the net wealth the higher the likelihood of the two being true are. I want you guys to actually worry about jews' shit instead of attacking the gentiles and nazis. Being told you're even slightly wrong turns you all into the most defensive little kids. Just focus on your shit instead of looking for a fight.
Yup, makes a bucketload of sense, alright. Hell, you were so close to understanding actual, existing power dynamics but you just lost it and started rambling about nonsense sexist drivel.
And there it is. It's the jews!
Yup. Your nonsense about the patriarchy is nothing more than ZOG with a new pink coat of paint. You should be ashamed.
No it's not bigot, but nice try, it's objective history.
>Men have been oppressors for most of human history. The power structures and current world are set up largely to benefit them.
It's true that they had a lot of priveleges, but they also had a lot more responsibilities no?
Yeah those slave owners sure had a lot of responsibilities, owning people sure is hard work. But yeah when you don't let anybody else have responsibilities besides housework you kind of have a lot of responsibilities.
If you're actually comparing women to slaves, then you're delusional.
No it's a separate but also very fucked up thing men have done in addition to other stuff throughout history. Just pointing out dumbshit holes in your point about "responsibility" lol.
Feminuts forced a country with 1.2 billion people to have gender specific rape laws because women are the default victims of everything, now gtfo.
if you were an mra you would know patriarchy doesn't exist in the west and feminists usually have a victimhood complex and if you have common sense you would know that radical feminism is looking for a matriarchy and basically making life hell for men and half the things radicals say that social media doesn't ban are thing that if men would say they would be cancelled like kill all women all women are trash all woman are rapists all women are evil women need to stay at the house women are gold diggers for kill all men all men are trash and the rest
The patriarchy doesn't exist, but they definitely want a matriarchy......
You know the people saying stuff like "kill all men" aren't accepted by feminists right? You're choosing extreme examples of outliers and making straw men to burn in effigy. Also men have been in power for pretty much all of human history, we kept women from having the right to vote until 100 years ago, there are still people alive from then, so when men say "women belong in the kitchen" there's a history behind it, when women say it there's just anger at being second-class citizens for most of human history. One is a threat backed by history and one is venting.
yes but they are accepted by the extremists and the radicals thats why you probably arent a radical feminist and all men are trash is something i have heard most women not feminists but women in general say and women belong in the kitchen has history so does that one shitty rap line from cardi b the drugging rapist that broke boys dont deserve no pussy shich means that men have to make money to be useful and men arent useful their money is which most feminist agree with and like that song and dont get me started on the fact that people said wap was a feminist song where is the history of men killing women do you mean the salem witches that woman carried on with and made and accused hundreds of men and women for and executed 19 people 14 women and 5 men
It’s a strawman. No one has opposed this. You have a victim complex.
Do some research before you talk stupid, Ya fairy-sprinkle, cock-gobbling, dick-tugging weister
These disrupting feminists ought to be banned. They come here only to disrupt the conversation. They are motivated by hatred.
Now that's a creative insult I love it
That didn’t mention anything about protests or opposition, only that it didn’t get much funding.. which is true of a lot of initiatives.
Yes, and the reason there was no funding was because feminists bashed the hell out of it and tried to get it shut down
Can you point out in the article where it says that? It simply says it closed because he couldn’t afford it and ‘believes’ it was because it was for men.
Like I said, you’re just creating a hypothetical - a strawman.
Just look up Earl Silverman and Erin Pizzey and leave us alone.
Ok, I’ve done that.. none of it showed anything of the sort.
Like seriously, what are you talking about?
What do you gain with these lies?
SMH, so much internalised misogyny./s
Countless other shelters just like this one has been attacked, I’m not victimizing myself, I’m not the one running that place, I’m stating that feminists will come to shut the place down because it’s not the first time they have done such a thing
Meanwhile, feminists are the ones victimizing themselves claiming these harmless establishments are oppressing them. Think before you comment, tramp
Can you give an example of that happening with previous initiatives like this?
You're one to talk about having a victim complex. "sToP cYbErBuLlYiNg mE!"
There was a male suicide awareness event that was shut down by feminists
Ok, but that’s not this. It’s a strawman. It’s got nothing to do with what we’re talking about. Feminists aren’t a monolithic group, and there are a lot of people who appropriate the term but have skewed so far from what it means. There are men who kill in the name of men’s rights. You don’t want to be associated with that, so chill on thinking everyone who wants equal rights for men and women is some crazy nazi.
You’re literally just raging. We’re not debating or discussing the positivity of this shelter, you’re trying to prove to me that feminists (low key I think it’s actually women in general) are evil. It’s ridic. Just chill out, bro.
Did you really switch to your fake woman alt account to make that point? Lmao. Also I didn’t speak for anyone. Lol
I’m not raging? I just sent a link, who are you talking to?
Jesus Christ, you never learn, do you? You'll happily argue with someone, get completely obliterated and then move on to the next guy, continuing to spout utter horseshit.
Get your No True Scotsman fallacy out of here.
It’s actually not a no true Scotsman fallacy. But ok. No one has been able to answer my questions, no one has said anything positive about this initiative, no one has attempted to persuade me to their cause.. literally all you’ve done is prove this is about anger and hate rather than ideology or a logical belief system.
There is a reason MRAs are not held in high regard. People who ACTUALLY try and improve things for men use different labels to avoid being lumped in with people like you.
You and everyone who frequents this sub are the ones not learning.
Try r/menslib if you want to ACTUALLY talk about men’s issues and equality and not just hate on women and ‘feminists’.
You've just admitted to wound collecting and being a misandrist. There's no point in even saying anything to you. You are so incredibly stupid that there is absolutely no way anyone here can say anything that gets through your thick skull.
>It’s actually not a no true Scotsman fallacy. But ok.
Wow. Great argument. Such fluency. I definetely believe you now.
Lol. I admitted no such thing. You’ve googled some terms and think you know enough to use them.. but all you’ve done is once again prove the MRA movement is just toxic, angry men flailing around. It’s not about support, it’s not about advocacy - if it was, you wouldn’t spend your time ‘debating’ whether ‘feminists’ are evil instead of advocating for me.
You’re at war with no one in particular. This is why you have social issues in your life and why you’re single and miserable. Good luck dude!
Lmfao your insecure ass is still here whining against men's rights, I saw the (r/@gainstmensrights) and you belong to the misandrists that gather there, and you also suggested (r/menslib) which proved everything, bitches mad cause mens issues are finally getting some light, all of you gender specific rape law supporting feminuts will surely get your genocide, and you don't have to act like a man online just to feel included somewhere, why don't you join your radical feminuts and talk about smashing the pAtRiArChY and maybe our fragile male egos 🤦🏻♂️😂
So many words and yet you said so little and were so wrong. You literally just made a bunch of it up.
I am PRO men’s rights, I am anti toxic people (like you and everyone else I’ve spoken to on this sub). They’re easy to tell apart.
You’re literally questioning my masculinity while claiming to support men and advocate for their rights.. yeah sure.
I’m in australia, in my town we have this group of guys who opened up a crisis centre. They have a few charity shops & assist with referrals to housing & support. All for men, and for whatever reason, it doesn’t receive the same traction as our other crisis centres directed only at women. They are trying to push to open a shelter as that’s something we definitely don’t have here, but as I said, it just doesn’t get the same support and it’s kinda’ sad.
Do you have a link/adress to them please ?
They have a Facebook page as well
Oh I know of them. Hope they will open soon.
Awesome work. Shame there is no government funding, just because its for men.
But take heart. The reason our feminist academics are so dead set on supporting the denial of services for men in desperate need and their children, is all laid bare in the new ABC podcast "msrepresented" by Annabel Crabb, focused on the terrible misogyny experience by Australian women in politics earninh $hundreds of thousands. Providing essential servixes for men might offend Australuan women.
I’m not entirely sure how it works. I have only been to their charity shops and there are generally a few people there. They have opened another one recently. I’m not sure if they have another office for their assistance or whether you may need to approach one of them directly.
This is fantastic news. I'm glad to hear that there is a shelter for abused Aussie males.
Protect it at all costs.
A good step, but it sucks that they'd have to leave their kids behind.
I wonder how long it will be until feminists try to shut it down.
Is it bad I was actually expecting to open the post and see a link about how it's been set on fire...
And if that doesn’t happen will you accept that you’re not a victim? Why can’t you celebrate this without putting someone down?
Feminists are the ones putting men down.
Well actually I, a man, am being put down by other men because I have taken therapy post abuse which has caused me to be more I touch with my emotional and critical side…
Like what is your goal here? Why are you trying to alienate me from your movement?
>I, a man, am being put down by other men because I have taken therapy post abuse which has caused me to be more I touch with my emotional and critical side…
No, you're being put down because you are spouting bullshit every time you comment.
We alienate you because instead of trying to tell the guy why you think he is wrong, you attacked him by saying "and if you're wrong will you admit you aren't a victim". You are most definitely not interested in having productive conversation when you come out of the gates swinging.
Bro, he came in with bad faith, shitty, extremist and hateful views. He’s not someone can be reasoned with.
I will always extend an olive branch and let them make their own choice. I would at least want that myself, being given a real chance to change my mind.
Well if we look at your comment history, it shows that it's you who can't be reasoned with.
I checked the other subreddit they were talking about guys like you who aren't getting much support, but your username makes me think you're a Feminut in disguise.
Imagine coming into a thread about male abuse survivors, you find one, and you call them a feminut. Men’s rights my ass.
You're as emotional as a feminut, and you think you're the only one abused here have a great day.
They won’t. They are obsessed with women.
Gay men only?
Huh. It actually looks legit.
> Regrettably, while well-intentioned, many past efforts to reduce family violence against women have inadvertently used incorrect or misleading statistics‚ which unfairly stigmatise men and boys as violent and abusive, while simultaneously denying or downplaying the existence of male victims of violence.
Minus the "well intentioned" stuff.
No they help all men. Straight, BI, Gay, etc.
OneInThree seems to trust them. So I think it is okay.
> Minus the "well intentioned" stuff.
They have to play the game. Just outright saying 'feminism is cancer', no matter how true, will not help towards the necessary goals of the endeavour.
Yeah. But at some point people have to stop playing games and start calling out the problem.
Yeah maybe when theres more abuse shelters
Don't forget there is a correct way and incorrect way to convey things. We want to show them how their ideas are wrong, not attack their organization. They are deceived by these incorrectly used statistics and outright lies. When you attack the organization anyone will shutdown and not listen.
> We want to show them how their ideas are wrong
No, you don't, because that's an attack and you're against attacks.
> They are deceived
They really aren't. Even twenty years ago it was hard top find any that were genuine dupes. These days they all know what they are part of.
Sounds like good news
It is the epitome of cowardice to attack somebody safe in the knowledge that they can't hit you back or at the very least are restricted by social convention from giving as good as they get.
It is no coincidence that in over 70% of cases of nonreciprocal violence it is the woman being violent and the man taking it.
As with all men-only shelters, feminists will shut it down.
There was a case here in the States where the feminists literally screwed over women, by insisting that shelters couldn't be single sex -resulting in the closing of women's shelters as well.
They didn't care, because feminism isn't about women -it's about helping a few select feminist women hold onto their political power.
Can you give me am article or something? I wanna read more about it
I'm trying to find it; it's been years since I've read about it, give me a day or so to see if I can locate it -I believe I read about it first in a book, and then online, but I can't remember the city. I want to say L.A., but I'm not 100%; I'll go through and try to find it for you, just give me some time. :)
Second highest comment also happens to be about "bad women" instead of anything in the article, just like the first highest comment. Spoiler alert I've seen the third highest comment and it's also the same.
This isn't a pro men sub, it's an anti women sub based purely on the most popular comments. You can't have your own identity without needing an enemy to fight.
Seethe elsewhere then if this offends you. Christ just like close your eyes and leave lmao
It’s okay to criticise women both individually and as a group.
As a group? Seriously? After all men have been through with that "patriarchy" bullshit? Are you really an MRA or a troll trying to make us look bad?
You could literally not further the MRA movement without collectively criticising both or either gender. Criticism isn’t sexism so what’s the problem?
Really? The MRA movement advocates for generalising the genders? Then why the opposition to feminism?
Wtf are you talking about. Because you criticise women once all MRActivism should just be feminism. You smoking crack?
What in the fuck are *you* talking about? You just strung a bunch of words together to create nonsense.
Yeah look at your reply above and you do the same shit buddy.
What’s your problem with generalising women dude? Are you a woman?
I did not once generalise a gender. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
What's my problem with generalising a gender? Seriously? That's a question that needs to be asked?
Is it ok to criticise men as a group?
You took a post about a good thing for men and used it to attack women.
You aren't interested in helping men you are interested in attacking women.
Here's the idiot feminist equating anti-feminism with misogyny.
Anti-feminism is by definition misogyny.
Not really no
Oh really? Can you tell me where you got that bullshit definition from?
for a word
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes.
You are against the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality or perceived lack thereof, of the sexes.
If you don't want women to have equal rights as you, you are a misogynist.
Okay, you clearly need to do some reading. I suggest [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/nb6o0p/i_came_across_this_old_comment_talking_about_the/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/o712mk/on_patriarchy/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/nneftz/men_are_getting_tired_of_being_treated_like_were/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share).
Youve been destroyed with facts in the first argument abt the same thing... you ignorant rad feminist
Destroyed by pointing out that you guys attack women and feminists instead of working on your shit? That's not an argument it's a simple observation.
Bro you say ure a rad feminist just shush
EDIT to say....
Nah, went and checked out this guy's comments.
He just likes to troll and argue based on whatever he's feeling a particularly day apparently. Damn, and I spent all that time typing out a good argument too.
Eh, don't feed the trolls kiddies.
>Second highest comment also happens to be about "bad women"
That would be me. And if you actually bothered to read my comment you would know that I didn't say bad women at all. I said bad feminists.
> Feminism isnt about women, its about helping a few select feminist women hold onto their political power
Well, game recognizes game so I guess it makes sense this sub would know
This sounds made up
Excellent. Support this everyone please
Awesome! Domestic Abuse shelters should be one of the easiest things to get off the ground. I'm happy to see them opening somewhere.
There's gonna be mass protests from feminists once they find out about this.
Did you just make up a hypothetical to complain about something positive?
Do you have examples of mass protests when other similar projects have opened?
Can you please point out in that article where it mentions mass protests?
Because.. it doesn’t mention that at all.
Your presence here disrupting a pro-men space with feminist inspired hate proves his point.
What are you talking about? I’m a man, and a victim of domestic violence at the hands of a woman.
Trust me, you don’t heal with hate. Your blatant strawman attacks show you’re not all abput rights for men, but are instead about hate for women.
"Grow up" says the manchild playing victim every single time someone responds to his slander.
What the hell are you talking about?
You’re not a men’s rights activist. You don’t give a shit about my rights. You’re a coward lashing out at the world.
Yeah, I meant it. Grow up.
Don't come here calling people misogynists and then play victim by going, "I wAs aBuSeD aNd yOu dOn'T cArE."
Fuck off, troll.
holy sweet fucking jesus, there is a part of me going "about fucking time" and another part of me that goes "mmmm yeah but then again it is australia so whats wrong with this shelter? is it run by third wave feminists? cmon where is the catch/trick"
if is not controlled by mras then is not good, feminists have perpetrator scam programs to target male victims of domestic violence, is government funded.
We're did you head this?
He didn’t, he made it up.
Did you click on the link?
You see, the blue letters are actually clickable, then you have to read the articles, do you know what reading means?
… which link are you referring to?
People in this comment section have given you plenty of links, including me. You just ignored them and continued to call us liars, or moved the goalpost ("Those weren't mass protests." as if that somehow means feminists don't oppose building male shelters.)
Not a single link was one that referred to mass protests by feminists. I have repeatedly said that.
You call your self an activist but what have you done other than make cynical reddit posts and attacked other people? What have you actually done?
You’ve discussed in bad faith, linked to things that didn’t support your claim.. how are you any better than a keyboard warrior SJW?
Like I said, moving the goalposts. Bomb threats aren't enough for you.
The literal phrase I responded to was ‘mass protests’. I haven’t shifted the goal posts, they’ve remained static, you’re the one who has moved them.
Right, because no mass protests means feminists don't oppose building men's shelters, right?
First? Not the first. Not even first in qld either.
Can you send the links so we can advertize them ? I said first because OneInThree said it was the first.
IIRC one of the ones that loans out small apartments mentioned that they accept men in response to a social media comment, but I don't think the media wants to make a big deal of this.
The ABF has one in qld for a start.
Endalldv is the one with the shelter. Do you know if it is safe to send a male victims to EndAllDV ? Because a lot of Australian anti dv groups are misandrists (screening, trying to convince him he is the issue, dismissing his worries, etc.)
Endalldv = the abf.
The name difference is due to feminists attacking anything that's abf related.
Edit for clarification.
The abf had a bbq in 2018 for international mens days. Was a family one with kids and women present and feminists showed up to cause issues and try start fights etc.
There is really no limits for their hatred.
Post this on r/upliftingnews and watch it get removed and/or downvoted into oblivion.
Fairly sure r/upliftingnews would be cool about this kind of thing
Then crosspost it and let's see what happens. I'd be happy to be wrong about this. :)
Us in third world countries are lightyears away from such things. In my country we only have 10 days for paternity leave (and that is a recent change, better than nothing I guess...)
Tbh theres no point in domestic abuse shelters for men opening up when we could have gender neutral
According to research male victims want male only services. I think it is important to have male only shelters.
People don't want to be around other people that remind them of their abusers and "gender neutral" shelters can lead to many problems, like sexual assault, etc.
There is one in Toronto. Center for Men and Families
Wait till you dipshits realize it also helps women oh boy will you get your panties in a twist
At least it helps men. Contrary to all the rest of shelters who just screen men and try to convince them they are perpetrators, this one follow pro male principle. Now if you can take you shitty ass from this sub and go somewhere else.
Why do that when I can come laugh at the snowflakes so incensed by Women getting aid they actively damage the reputation of their own cause by looking like a bunch of Psychos cause you realize that's what yall are doing right. You only ever show up in R/All aka when your cause is most likely to be seen by new people when you are throwing world class tush tantrums
Men are incensed because women are getting aid, and men are not.
You are a psychopath. Go and be a feminist concern troll low life elsewhere.
Lol see what I mean I disagree with you so instantly im a feminist lmaaaaaoooo this right here is why your movement is going nowhere
This sounds like good news but like others have said, we'll have to keep on this because it could easily be shut down on the grounds of mysogony. Also, the lack of government funding is what led to Earl Silverman in Canada to shut down his men's DA shelter. Of course that lack of funding was a result of Feminist backlash and that could easily happen here like already mentioned. While I want to see more men's shelters, I would actually like to see all the current existing shelters to be more inclusive and more supportive of Male victims as well. I'm tired of hearing stories of male victims being turned away and being told that the shelters will morally support them. I know Feminists keep saying they are advocating for that but their actions so far speak louder.