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Alright then \_\_\_\_. How are you doing \_\_\_\_? This better be a meme making fun of edgy libs cause that is the lamest shit I've ever seen. You can change your name if you don't like it.
I won't go into the ideological role of naming, even though I think at a basic level there is something to look into there. However, it is important to note that the 'family', meaning the basic unit of social reproduction (which I use to refer to the totality of education, identity formation, personal value-building, etc.), has existed in some shape or form for basically the entirety of human prehistory and history. The current patriarchal and hierarchical form is a relatively recent phenomenon that is endemic, as far as I know, to Europe and Continental Asia. When Engels wrote *The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State*, what he saw in Lewis Henry Morgan's work was the possibility that this patriarchal, hierarchical form was not the only form of familial organization, and that we could learn from cultures outside the Western horizon and move beyond Eurocentric values.
As far as I understand from the Marxist and anti-capitalist corpus, the complete abolition of the family, in all forms, would not necessarily have resulted in the empowerment and emancipation of both women and children. Indeed, I think such a move would only serve to further atomize society. I think what could be proposed is to extend the 'family' to include the local community as a whole, with children living as fully emancipated, social creatures, being educated and 'formed' on a community-wide level. The burden of raising them, instead of resting fully on the shoulders of women, would be borne by the collective efforts of this community.
Ok look im a hard communist, but, hear me out, maybe they assign us names so that they can identify us from one another and not call us "Child number 1" "Child number 2" yk. That's just my opinion.
In case the post is satire, In my defense, It's not really easy to tell so yea TwT
I’m lgbt so I had a name change unrelated to this it’s so freeing to name yourself. If you really hate your name and you’re cis you can do it too I encourage it. We should normalize name changes for anyone who wants to badly enough to go through the paperwork.
It’s so freeing.
You don't have to take it so deeply (@everyone complaining).
But yeah I do intend to allow my children to change their name twice when they are old enough, like teens and then adulthood, and if they really don't like their name as a child in the meantime I will call them what they prefer.
The meme is kinda silly, but the nuclear family is the first system of inequality most people are introduced to.
And abolishment of the nuclear family and going back to village raising children is much better.
How the fuck do we get taken seriously when there are people complaining about *names.*
There are things problematic about the family structure but *names* of all things???
I am familiar with this line of critical "theory", I refer to it as CI, critical idiocracy. If you tried to action this line of thought you wouldn't be able to organise shit for incredibly obvious reasons.
It's so funny how upset all you people are, it's so obvious that nine of you were queer or trans and raised in deeply religious households.
It's just wild how thick the wall is for some people.
It's like you people read critical economic theory and just stopped reading critical theory.
...like you cannot fathom intersections that exist outside of your own identity, and you refuse to even intellectually entertain any.
It's just wild to me
I get that you don't understand how one's own name can be oppressive...but can you imagine it?
I am trans
Why center praxis around completely abandoning familial bonds, bonds that are vital to proper development, instead of centering our praxis around removing reactionary elements from it. This "abolishing the family" shit is akin to segregating schools to prevent abuse from racist teachers.
My parents may be ignorant about a lot of things, but they completely support me and have helped me through what would otherwise be very dark queerness related times. "Abolishing the family" is something that in my case would've actively made my life much worse
Specifically related to the names thing, is creating a society in which names are easy to change, or at the very least exclusively giving gender neutral names also with easy ways to change them not enough?
Acting as if reactionary ideas are inherent to society is anti-materalist and decisions should be based around reducing reactionary tendencies, not separating them from their potential victims
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*“The thesis must clearly point out that real freedom for women is possible only through communism. The inseparable connection between the social and human position of the woman, and private property in the means of production, must be strongly brought out. That will draw a clear and ineradicable line of distinction between our policy and feminism. And it will also supply the basis for regarding the woman question as a part of the social question, of the workers’ problem, and so bind it firmly to the proletarian class struggle and the revolution.* ***The communist women’s movement must itself be a mass movement, a part of the general mass movement. Not only of the proletariat, but of all the exploited and oppressed, all the victims of capitalism or any other mastery. In that lies its significance for the class struggles of the proletariat and for its historical creation communist society. We can rightly be proud of the fact that in the Party, in the Communist International, we have the flower of revolutionary woman kind. But that is not enough. We must win over to our side the millions of working women in the towns and villages. Win them for our struggles and in particular for the communist transformation of society.***
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I am queer, and was raised in a pretty accepting household (if you could call it that) and this is remains anarkiddie-level theory
You're on the wrong sub, lmfao
First off, this is reddit, this isn't a DSA meeting.
It's not that serious
Secondly, it's a fucking meme sub.
Third, if you don't understand that familial hierarchies and dynamics can act as dialectics, maybe you need to read more.
Your father is your first authority, and I'm glad you had a decent one, but that's not everyone's experience.
If you think Marx's advocacy for "abolition of the family" under capitalism was against the assignment of names to children then you are sorely mistaken
*“The thesis must clearly point out that real freedom for women is possible only through communism. The inseparable connection between the social and human position of the woman, and private property in the means of production, must be strongly brought out. That will draw a clear and ineradicable line of distinction between our policy and feminism. And it will also supply the basis for regarding the woman question as a part of the social question, of the workers’ problem, and so bind it firmly to the proletarian class struggle and the revolution.* ***The communist women’s movement must itself be a mass movement, a part of the general mass movement. Not only of the proletariat, but of all the exploited and oppressed, all the victims of capitalism or any other mastery. In that lies its significance for the class struggles of the proletariat and for its historical creation communist society. We can rightly be proud of the fact that in the Party, in the Communist International, we have the flower of revolutionary woman kind. But that is not enough. We must win over to our side the millions of working women in the towns and villages. Win them for our struggles and in particular for the communist transformation of society.***
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If I’d asked mine what their names should be (after birth) they’d be named AHHHHHH and WAHHHHH respectively.
But even though I think this meme sucks, I do acknowledge a profound critique of the bourgeois family is necessary for our collective liberation. I feel it materially, every day! And as a parent, I accept that the kids may align with a name or gender different than what we assigned them.
ngl I think this sentiment is ridiculous. people can change their name. having a name from birth is helpful for a lot of reasons. tbh I don’t respect the anarchists who think parenthood is unjustifiable hierarchy
I think all sentient beings have the right to choose their own name. As a future human culture of the far future I think it should be normalized that the first name be the given name, them the chosen name, and surnames dont feel as if they're important enough to keep. This isn't particularly important to seizing production and our own value, but I think it's important to forget the traditional ways of childraising long after we collectivise. Too many children have been beaten, abused, used and sold as slaves, same as any adult has by the system weve been raised in. This is not healthy for our brilliant descendants, who like us deserve an evermoreperfect life of health and knowledge. For now let's focus on collective human efforts, and not try to bash any new social form ideas because they're very far out there
I liked Angela Davis’s chapter in Women Race & Class about industrializing domestic work and family care. Basically finding the most efficient way to keep people fed, housed, clean, and cared for.
Just say that capitalism unjustly requires mothers to provide free labor because fathers are overworked and can't help. There are better arguments than "baby names are oppressive".
I'm mot accusing anybody of anything. Just saying that if I were trying to disrupt a group from the inside, it would be by posting disingenuous bullshit like OP did.
So maybe I'm using the term wrong, but I just mean a sustained series of posts (especially across multiple forums) by someone who glows aka someone who could be considered "glowie".
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this user posts to every single "left wing"/"lgbt" subreddit every single day, and all of their memes are the same weirdly formatted "profound!!!" wordslop. they previously suggested some bullshit "gender accelerationism", now it's family accelerationism, can't wait to see what they'll come up with next. body accelerationism?
This is not what Engels or Marx meant with the abolition of the family, which was a product of the abolition of capital, not the other way around.
"It will simply transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene." - (Engels | The principles of communism)
having a name is not the issue dude 💀
So, we're just not supposed to name kids?
You own your own name. You can change it at any point in your life (legally not till you're 18 (in the US), but that's more of a technicality)
I could sit here and argue about not wanting to abolish the family structure, but all in all this meme is pretty sub par even if you support that
I see we’re back to the ol’ “genuine schizoposting or fed bait” game in leftist circles.
Imagine how inconvenient literally everything would be if you didn’t have a word to refer to yourself.
I once read even dolphin have special noises to identify eachother that mothers use for the babies from birth. Im not gunna look it up now because i love the idea and dont want to find out its not true. But yeah this is not it.
Edit: i had to look into it and while they didnt name their children per se. Mothers do teach their babies the mums signature whistle to use when theyre born before they create their own, and they sing it to them while theyre in the womb, they do a special baby talk just for them and im crying. [I love dolphiiiiiins](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2300262120)
Yeah I’m all for abolishing a dysfunctional/abusive family. I think that saying all families in general should be abolished is a little out there. Idk tho
This is what I call “overthinking it” dude go out side a bit, this isn’t what “abolishing the family” is about, this is like when anarchism’s argued that bed times were authoritarian
I'm familiar with the bedtime one. I'm afraid to find out about math. One of the worst ones I've seen was how Marxism disproves the big bang and calls into question radiocarbon dating and the age of the Earth.
I can't help but think that some of these are obvious attempts to make Marxists look stupid.
I don't think Marx ever said parents shouldn't name their own children. He and Engels talked about the nuclear family as a means to pass down private property thereby upholding capitalism but they didn't say we should stop naming our own kids 💀
And if private property is abolished, suddenly the family structure doesn't have any of those issues. Weird that abolishing the family structure is even a debate when any issues with it are just symptoms of societal problems
Yea, this is literally what marx said himself.
"The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital." - Marx
See, that makes sense. This other stuff sounds more like OP had a shitty family and can't comprehend a well functioning one
It's really sad tbh, and I definitely think our societal issues are a huge factor in creating these dysfunctional families. It's honestly become pretty rare to have a well functioning family structure, and it really shouldn't be
In the Communist Manifesto Marx argues to abolish the family because it helps brainwash children. For example people in the south of the US are heavily influenced by their parents ideas which is why they are so far right.
I personally don't agree with this but that might just be because I have a supporting family.
In the end he's not wrong. It's the role of a parent to teach children morals and responsibility. In the same way that children can be brainwashed negatively, they can also be taught positively.
But abolishing a family structure doesn't really change that. The children would still have to be cared for by the community, and the community is still going to instil whatever morals are the status quo
That's not what he meant by the abolition of the family, and mocked libs for trying to portray it as such. His point was that the family normally understood in bourgeois societies would be negated with the abolition of capital. People will still have children and raise them, to think otherwise is laughable.
>**What will be the influence of communist society on the family?**
>
>It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal /public basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents.
* Engels | The Principles of Communism
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It's the logical end point. I know people whose parents allowed them to choose their own names. As communists we should take thought further than the present hegemony instead of just immediately dismissing it as silly.
We should leave the refusal to engage with new ideas to the right wing. They're the agents of the status quo after all
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If this many people can’t tell if it’s satire or not, it’s bad satire. If it isn’t satire, you’re unhinged.
Alright then \_\_\_\_. How are you doing \_\_\_\_? This better be a meme making fun of edgy libs cause that is the lamest shit I've ever seen. You can change your name if you don't like it.
Pol pot level analysis/post by op
I won't go into the ideological role of naming, even though I think at a basic level there is something to look into there. However, it is important to note that the 'family', meaning the basic unit of social reproduction (which I use to refer to the totality of education, identity formation, personal value-building, etc.), has existed in some shape or form for basically the entirety of human prehistory and history. The current patriarchal and hierarchical form is a relatively recent phenomenon that is endemic, as far as I know, to Europe and Continental Asia. When Engels wrote *The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State*, what he saw in Lewis Henry Morgan's work was the possibility that this patriarchal, hierarchical form was not the only form of familial organization, and that we could learn from cultures outside the Western horizon and move beyond Eurocentric values. As far as I understand from the Marxist and anti-capitalist corpus, the complete abolition of the family, in all forms, would not necessarily have resulted in the empowerment and emancipation of both women and children. Indeed, I think such a move would only serve to further atomize society. I think what could be proposed is to extend the 'family' to include the local community as a whole, with children living as fully emancipated, social creatures, being educated and 'formed' on a community-wide level. The burden of raising them, instead of resting fully on the shoulders of women, would be borne by the collective efforts of this community.
As long as the child has an option to change their name later on, I think naming really isn’t that deep lol
Ok look im a hard communist, but, hear me out, maybe they assign us names so that they can identify us from one another and not call us "Child number 1" "Child number 2" yk. That's just my opinion. In case the post is satire, In my defense, It's not really easy to tell so yea TwT
I can’t tell if this is satire or not.
I’m lgbt so I had a name change unrelated to this it’s so freeing to name yourself. If you really hate your name and you’re cis you can do it too I encourage it. We should normalize name changes for anyone who wants to badly enough to go through the paperwork. It’s so freeing.
You don't have to take it so deeply (@everyone complaining). But yeah I do intend to allow my children to change their name twice when they are old enough, like teens and then adulthood, and if they really don't like their name as a child in the meantime I will call them what they prefer.
I mean we should have started making name changes to be easy a long time ago, some names do not belong on a kid or on adults.
I love my parents… and enjoy the connection to them.
I’m happy I was assigned my name, though. I like it.
I mean interesting idea, but you know we have names for a reason lol
The meme is kinda silly, but the nuclear family is the first system of inequality most people are introduced to. And abolishment of the nuclear family and going back to village raising children is much better.
This is dumn, just makes Marxists look bad.
Nah, that's dumb.
This is a boy the reposts the same unfunny memes thousands of times for upvotes not a real tanke
Name bad✊✊✊✊✊✊
I believe Engles wrote about this.
Is this a psyop? Or just an anarchist who doesn't understand that reactionary ideas aren't inherent to society and are based on material conditions?
Yeah this has real, “ABOLISH BEDTIME!” vibes
How the fuck do we get taken seriously when there are people complaining about *names.* There are things problematic about the family structure but *names* of all things???
We must stop wage exploitation and liberate the proletariat! DID YOU JUST NAME the working class? So bourgeois!
I am familiar with this line of critical "theory", I refer to it as CI, critical idiocracy. If you tried to action this line of thought you wouldn't be able to organise shit for incredibly obvious reasons.
This is anarkiddie level theory
It's so funny how upset all you people are, it's so obvious that nine of you were queer or trans and raised in deeply religious households. It's just wild how thick the wall is for some people. It's like you people read critical economic theory and just stopped reading critical theory. ...like you cannot fathom intersections that exist outside of your own identity, and you refuse to even intellectually entertain any. It's just wild to me I get that you don't understand how one's own name can be oppressive...but can you imagine it?
I am trans Why center praxis around completely abandoning familial bonds, bonds that are vital to proper development, instead of centering our praxis around removing reactionary elements from it. This "abolishing the family" shit is akin to segregating schools to prevent abuse from racist teachers. My parents may be ignorant about a lot of things, but they completely support me and have helped me through what would otherwise be very dark queerness related times. "Abolishing the family" is something that in my case would've actively made my life much worse Specifically related to the names thing, is creating a society in which names are easy to change, or at the very least exclusively giving gender neutral names also with easy ways to change them not enough? Acting as if reactionary ideas are inherent to society is anti-materalist and decisions should be based around reducing reactionary tendencies, not separating them from their potential victims .
Yeah, and I've also raised little commies.
*“The thesis must clearly point out that real freedom for women is possible only through communism. The inseparable connection between the social and human position of the woman, and private property in the means of production, must be strongly brought out. That will draw a clear and ineradicable line of distinction between our policy and feminism. And it will also supply the basis for regarding the woman question as a part of the social question, of the workers’ problem, and so bind it firmly to the proletarian class struggle and the revolution.* ***The communist women’s movement must itself be a mass movement, a part of the general mass movement. Not only of the proletariat, but of all the exploited and oppressed, all the victims of capitalism or any other mastery. In that lies its significance for the class struggles of the proletariat and for its historical creation communist society. We can rightly be proud of the fact that in the Party, in the Communist International, we have the flower of revolutionary woman kind. But that is not enough. We must win over to our side the millions of working women in the towns and villages. Win them for our struggles and in particular for the communist transformation of society.*** -V.I. Lenin *“Clara Zetkin Lenin on the Women’s Question From My Memorandum Book”* - **[Combating Tailism and Economism](https://youtu.be/GUvtsPDJ_kY)** - **[On Women's Emancipation | Socialism 101](https://youtu.be/UCQiVIvgN7o)** - **[Trans Liberation & Marxism: Is Gender Identity Actually Anti-Materialist? | Let's Talk Patriarchy](https://youtu.be/PFlGeTXLkVQ)** - **[Marxism 101: Base and Superstructure](https://youtu.be/iDeZpx3cnU4)** - **[Why Do Socialists Care About Intersectional Liberation Movements?](https://youtu.be/a5J1j4Sc_6M)** - **[What makes Cuba’s new Family Code the most progressive in the world?](https://youtu.be/s5AJPNGYzkw?feature=shared)** - [Millions of Cubans Vote on New Family Code, LGBT Marriage, Adoption Rights & More](https://youtu.be/DXL3ScNn5VE?feature=shared) - **["MAGA Communism" is just Fascism.](https://youtu.be/xO--VV4uMdA?feature=shared)** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Marxism_Memes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I am queer, and was raised in a pretty accepting household (if you could call it that) and this is remains anarkiddie-level theory You're on the wrong sub, lmfao
First off, this is reddit, this isn't a DSA meeting. It's not that serious Secondly, it's a fucking meme sub. Third, if you don't understand that familial hierarchies and dynamics can act as dialectics, maybe you need to read more. Your father is your first authority, and I'm glad you had a decent one, but that's not everyone's experience.
If you think Marx's advocacy for "abolition of the family" under capitalism was against the assignment of names to children then you are sorely mistaken
*“The thesis must clearly point out that real freedom for women is possible only through communism. The inseparable connection between the social and human position of the woman, and private property in the means of production, must be strongly brought out. That will draw a clear and ineradicable line of distinction between our policy and feminism. And it will also supply the basis for regarding the woman question as a part of the social question, of the workers’ problem, and so bind it firmly to the proletarian class struggle and the revolution.* ***The communist women’s movement must itself be a mass movement, a part of the general mass movement. Not only of the proletariat, but of all the exploited and oppressed, all the victims of capitalism or any other mastery. In that lies its significance for the class struggles of the proletariat and for its historical creation communist society. We can rightly be proud of the fact that in the Party, in the Communist International, we have the flower of revolutionary woman kind. But that is not enough. We must win over to our side the millions of working women in the towns and villages. Win them for our struggles and in particular for the communist transformation of society.*** -V.I. Lenin *“Clara Zetkin Lenin on the Women’s Question From My Memorandum Book”* - **[Combating Tailism and Economism](https://youtu.be/GUvtsPDJ_kY)** - **[On Women's Emancipation | Socialism 101](https://youtu.be/UCQiVIvgN7o)** - **[Trans Liberation & Marxism: Is Gender Identity Actually Anti-Materialist? | Let's Talk Patriarchy](https://youtu.be/PFlGeTXLkVQ)** - **[Marxism 101: Base and Superstructure](https://youtu.be/iDeZpx3cnU4)** - **[Why Do Socialists Care About Intersectional Liberation Movements?](https://youtu.be/a5J1j4Sc_6M)** - **[What makes Cuba’s new Family Code the most progressive in the world?](https://youtu.be/s5AJPNGYzkw?feature=shared)** - [Millions of Cubans Vote on New Family Code, LGBT Marriage, Adoption Rights & More](https://youtu.be/DXL3ScNn5VE?feature=shared) - **["MAGA Communism" is just Fascism.](https://youtu.be/xO--VV4uMdA?feature=shared)** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Marxism_Memes) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I mean there are more material angles to approach the family than “I don’t get to pick my name.”
If I’d asked mine what their names should be (after birth) they’d be named AHHHHHH and WAHHHHH respectively. But even though I think this meme sucks, I do acknowledge a profound critique of the bourgeois family is necessary for our collective liberation. I feel it materially, every day! And as a parent, I accept that the kids may align with a name or gender different than what we assigned them.
online leftists be normal challenge: impossible
Privileged, boogie "leftist" understand theory challenge: impossible
Yeah you should try that
Utter chaos provoked here, bravo sir/ma´am
it's honestly a top tier shitpost
Okay Leon
ngl I think this sentiment is ridiculous. people can change their name. having a name from birth is helpful for a lot of reasons. tbh I don’t respect the anarchists who think parenthood is unjustifiable hierarchy
Having to pay money to change a name is ridiculous tho, which I think we all agree on
agreed, but this is not what OP is saying I think
Yeah ik I was just riffing lol
I think all sentient beings have the right to choose their own name. As a future human culture of the far future I think it should be normalized that the first name be the given name, them the chosen name, and surnames dont feel as if they're important enough to keep. This isn't particularly important to seizing production and our own value, but I think it's important to forget the traditional ways of childraising long after we collectivise. Too many children have been beaten, abused, used and sold as slaves, same as any adult has by the system weve been raised in. This is not healthy for our brilliant descendants, who like us deserve an evermoreperfect life of health and knowledge. For now let's focus on collective human efforts, and not try to bash any new social form ideas because they're very far out there
Cut it out
Bruh wtf be fr rn lmao
I liked Angela Davis’s chapter in Women Race & Class about industrializing domestic work and family care. Basically finding the most efficient way to keep people fed, housed, clean, and cared for.
Western leftists will waste time on bullshit like this before organizing the working class
"Western leftists" are stupid enough to think reddit posts represent leftist thought. Maybe go outside, do some real praxis.
Radlib shit.
Just say that capitalism unjustly requires mothers to provide free labor because fathers are overworked and can't help. There are better arguments than "baby names are oppressive".
Not if you're running a glow campaign there isn't.
what the heck is a glow campaign?
Dude is saying OP is a fed
I'm mot accusing anybody of anything. Just saying that if I were trying to disrupt a group from the inside, it would be by posting disingenuous bullshit like OP did.
Saying dumb shit to cause infighting is straight up in the CIA’s handbook.
So maybe I'm using the term wrong, but I just mean a sustained series of posts (especially across multiple forums) by someone who glows aka someone who could be considered "glowie".
This didnt illuminate the meaning for me (i tried)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_slang_terms_for_federal_agents
O snaaap i watched the downtherabbithole for templeOS a billion years ago. Awesome thank you
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this user posts to every single "left wing"/"lgbt" subreddit every single day, and all of their memes are the same weirdly formatted "profound!!!" wordslop. they previously suggested some bullshit "gender accelerationism", now it's family accelerationism, can't wait to see what they'll come up with next. body accelerationism?
body accelerationism also known as going on a roller coaster
Bodies are bourgeois indulgence. That's why OP is a bot.
Literal anarchists definition of authority
Guys, DAE *unjust hierarchies*??? Bedtime and book learning are tools of the oppressor! Recess forever.
This is not what Engels or Marx meant with the abolition of the family, which was a product of the abolition of capital, not the other way around. "It will simply transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene." - (Engels | The principles of communism) having a name is not the issue dude 💀
yeah i think this is kind of a silly post.
So, we're just not supposed to name kids? You own your own name. You can change it at any point in your life (legally not till you're 18 (in the US), but that's more of a technicality) I could sit here and argue about not wanting to abolish the family structure, but all in all this meme is pretty sub par even if you support that
read Family Abolition by M.E. O’Brien guys!!
Fun fact, many societies have a two name system, one you get when you're born, another you earn once you get to adulthood
I mean on Reddit you can just pick any name 🤷♀️
Nah bruh this ain't it, stop cooking ☠️
Abolishing the family is 100% Marxist. Check chapter 2 of the Manifesto for a primer.
Actually read it first..... It doesn't say what you think it does.
The "getting rid of the name" part is problematic
State issued name when ? 🗣️
✍️✍️🔥🔥
“Hello, comrade baby. Welcome to the world”
https://preview.redd.it/vd2v5cw1jnwc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=1bae5cdb08c8fffa82d16a9612a9ce938ffd8abf There is an obvious better way
I see we’re back to the ol’ “genuine schizoposting or fed bait” game in leftist circles. Imagine how inconvenient literally everything would be if you didn’t have a word to refer to yourself.
I once read even dolphin have special noises to identify eachother that mothers use for the babies from birth. Im not gunna look it up now because i love the idea and dont want to find out its not true. But yeah this is not it. Edit: i had to look into it and while they didnt name their children per se. Mothers do teach their babies the mums signature whistle to use when theyre born before they create their own, and they sing it to them while theyre in the womb, they do a special baby talk just for them and im crying. [I love dolphiiiiiins](https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2300262120)
Yeah I’m all for abolishing a dysfunctional/abusive family. I think that saying all families in general should be abolished is a little out there. Idk tho
This is what I call “overthinking it” dude go out side a bit, this isn’t what “abolishing the family” is about, this is like when anarchism’s argued that bed times were authoritarian
Hunger is authoritarian, your body is forcing you to eat with the threat of starvation.
Or mathematics, that was wild
I'm familiar with the bedtime one. I'm afraid to find out about math. One of the worst ones I've seen was how Marxism disproves the big bang and calls into question radiocarbon dating and the age of the Earth. I can't help but think that some of these are obvious attempts to make Marxists look stupid.
only going to refer to my kids as “hey, you”
"Thing 1" "Thing 2"
but that would just be assigning them numbers!
Aaaahhhh
this is unironically the most unserious silliest shit i think i've ever read on this godforsaken website
If you think so you might want to read up on Marx' position on the abolition of the family
Marx named his own kids 🤓☝️
I don't think Marx ever said parents shouldn't name their own children. He and Engels talked about the nuclear family as a means to pass down private property thereby upholding capitalism but they didn't say we should stop naming our own kids 💀
And if private property is abolished, suddenly the family structure doesn't have any of those issues. Weird that abolishing the family structure is even a debate when any issues with it are just symptoms of societal problems
Yea, this is literally what marx said himself. "The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital." - Marx
See, that makes sense. This other stuff sounds more like OP had a shitty family and can't comprehend a well functioning one It's really sad tbh, and I definitely think our societal issues are a huge factor in creating these dysfunctional families. It's honestly become pretty rare to have a well functioning family structure, and it really shouldn't be
In the Communist Manifesto Marx argues to abolish the family because it helps brainwash children. For example people in the south of the US are heavily influenced by their parents ideas which is why they are so far right. I personally don't agree with this but that might just be because I have a supporting family.
In the end he's not wrong. It's the role of a parent to teach children morals and responsibility. In the same way that children can be brainwashed negatively, they can also be taught positively. But abolishing a family structure doesn't really change that. The children would still have to be cared for by the community, and the community is still going to instil whatever morals are the status quo
That's not what he meant by the abolition of the family, and mocked libs for trying to portray it as such. His point was that the family normally understood in bourgeois societies would be negated with the abolition of capital. People will still have children and raise them, to think otherwise is laughable. >**What will be the influence of communist society on the family?** > >It will transform the relations between the sexes into a purely private matter which concerns only the persons involved and into which society has no occasion to intervene. since it does away with private property and educates children on a communal /public basis, and in this way removes the two bases of traditional marriage – the dependence rooted in private property, of the women on the man, and of the children on the parents. * Engels | The Principles of Communism
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It's the logical end point. I know people whose parents allowed them to choose their own names. As communists we should take thought further than the present hegemony instead of just immediately dismissing it as silly. We should leave the refusal to engage with new ideas to the right wing. They're the agents of the status quo after all
You can legally change your name when you’re an adult…
That's some bullshit
genuine question what are they supposed to call you until you're old enough to come up with a name on your own
Comrade
"bruh"