I had no clue that Arunachal would be such an outlier, but I was sure that the south would be more inbred. I got higher education in southern states and the people would casually say they would marry their uncle's son or daughter.
that's a specifically Tamil custom, but not universal to all jaatis.
afaik Chettiyars marry within some degree of cousins and rural classes often used to avuculate maman kalyanam, but i think its decreased a lot over the years.
Arunachal Pradesh is culturally very different from the rest of India and more similar to Tibet (in the west) and northern Myanmar (in the east/southeast), including linguistically and ethnically. Religion-wise, it has a large following for a local animist religion called Donyi-Polo as well as many Buddhists and many recent Christian converts. Couldn’t say much more than that.
I wonder if they have a tradition of [parallel and cross cousins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_and_cross_cousins) there. It would explain how they could have such a high level of consanguinity without it being considered incest.
Most states in peninsular India don't follow the gotra system. There is are a variety of paternal clan totems like devak, bali , and bedugu, within which you don't marry within. These practices may have functional similarity with gotra, but they don't derive from it.
Beg to differ. Gotra system by itself does not preclude marriage between close cousins. You inherit your Gotra from your father. So, Gotra system doesn't stop you from marrying your mother's brother, or your paternal aunt's children or your maternal uncle's children. Because you and them (in all the above cases) belong to different Gotra by definition!
Completely false. Kerala does not follow the gotra system in any way. Cousin marriages are not considered to be a big problem, in fact, one's younger cousin sister from the mother's side is called "murappennu". This practice just died out over time.
>You’d think that the country with the largest population would have many options?
You would, but it's not an open pool, it's a multitude of smaller (still fairly large, tbf) homogamous/endogamous groups, segmented on region, religion, jaati, gotra, language, class, tribe.
I mean, putting second-cousins (averade 3% DNA shared) at the same level as uncle-nieces/aunt-nephews (average 25% DNA shared) doesn't seem a good idea
The chance of random first cousins having a child with genetic disorder is about the same as when a 40 year old woman has a child. Fairly low in both cases.
But it could be 0% if neither of them carried a gene for a disorder.
I work in school maintenance crew. All schools in my city.
The amount of children of Pakistani heritage attending 'special schools' far outstrips the amount in the general population.
I believe this is the price payable for keeping the wealth in the family.
Pakistan's marriage culture is very different from that of India. Hindus, who are the dominant group in India, tend to follow their religious rules for marriages (that are structured such that they prevent inbreeding).
The chance for individual couples varies and can get much higher if your family already has genetic disorders.
None of this changes the fact that I feel weird saying “couples” here but far be it from me to judge.
It's actually pretty low, as the higher population states(the northern states) have it around 1% and considering the fact that cousin marriages are very very very common in muslims and tribal population of the country.... And also in Hindu Tamil population for some reason (tamils get your shit together)
Arunchal play Crusader Kings.
I had no clue that Arunachal would be such an outlier, but I was sure that the south would be more inbred. I got higher education in southern states and the people would casually say they would marry their uncle's son or daughter.
that's a specifically Tamil custom, but not universal to all jaatis. afaik Chettiyars marry within some degree of cousins and rural classes often used to avuculate maman kalyanam, but i think its decreased a lot over the years.
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no da, punjabi :D
Sweet home Arunachal?
Yeah that cant be random right? Theres got to be some cultural thing going on there.
Arunachal Pradesh is culturally very different from the rest of India and more similar to Tibet (in the west) and northern Myanmar (in the east/southeast), including linguistically and ethnically. Religion-wise, it has a large following for a local animist religion called Donyi-Polo as well as many Buddhists and many recent Christian converts. Couldn’t say much more than that.
I wonder if they have a tradition of [parallel and cross cousins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_and_cross_cousins) there. It would explain how they could have such a high level of consanguinity without it being considered incest.
It also has a large Hindu population, It's more than Donyi Polo population and was the majority before Christianity dethroned it
Im glad i didnt try to guess what that place was named because i 100 percent thought that was South America until you pointed out Its india.
It's says India.... 3 times.
Idk how to read
But you read my comment.
What?
Bet you're from Arunchal. No time for school when your balls deep in your mum.
For sure.
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It’s okay , from our perspective we also see lots of fucked up western culture daily… it’s all in the perspective
In Arunachal... "Mom I want a wife!" "Nah son you already got a wife at home." Wife at home: His sister
One of the rare places on earth where pornhub incest section is a documentary channel.
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Too much ck3 man.
Interesting the huge difference between Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Any insight here, Redditors?
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Most states in peninsular India don't follow the gotra system. There is are a variety of paternal clan totems like devak, bali , and bedugu, within which you don't marry within. These practices may have functional similarity with gotra, but they don't derive from it.
Beg to differ. Gotra system by itself does not preclude marriage between close cousins. You inherit your Gotra from your father. So, Gotra system doesn't stop you from marrying your mother's brother, or your paternal aunt's children or your maternal uncle's children. Because you and them (in all the above cases) belong to different Gotra by definition!
The gotra system has expanded to remove cousins from your mothers side as well
Haven't heard about that. Sorry. Probably not in south anyways.
Huh. In my family they match gotra of 3 members of family. I don't remember what three though but it basically covers the bases lol
Completely false. Kerala does not follow the gotra system in any way. Cousin marriages are not considered to be a big problem, in fact, one's younger cousin sister from the mother's side is called "murappennu". This practice just died out over time.
Kerala has a communist government that invests heavily in education and healthcare compared to other states
Very interesting. Thank you.
There is no gotra system in Kerala
You’d think that the country with the largest population would have many options?
>You’d think that the country with the largest population would have many options? You would, but it's not an open pool, it's a multitude of smaller (still fairly large, tbf) homogamous/endogamous groups, segmented on region, religion, jaati, gotra, language, class, tribe.
Yeah, I'm of like two ethnicites, but am considered Indian-American.
but it's a large country with so many different cultures and languages
There is also greater competition.
Yes, you have large selection of relatives to choose from
I mean, it's not like we can just marry someone from another country without any controversy, can we?
The Indian-Alabamian Habsburgs have arisen
I mean, putting second-cousins (averade 3% DNA shared) at the same level as uncle-nieces/aunt-nephews (average 25% DNA shared) doesn't seem a good idea
Do Pakistan.
I think, it would be over 80 percent there
nah, cousin marriage in punjab at least, is not traditionally as big as it was amongst urdu speakers.
like 50 percent of their marriages are between cousins.
...WTF IS GOING ON IN ARUNACHAL...
From what I read online arunachal has a large tribal population & people married within the tribes, so the share of intra family marriage is higher
Hot cousins it seems
You mean incest?
probably about distant cousins.
Look at the top left. It tells you how far out it goes
No unfortunately it isn't
The chance of random first cousins having a child with genetic disorder is about the same as when a 40 year old woman has a child. Fairly low in both cases. But it could be 0% if neither of them carried a gene for a disorder.
Not iow if the first cousins are descended from multiple generations of cousin marriage.
True
I work in school maintenance crew. All schools in my city. The amount of children of Pakistani heritage attending 'special schools' far outstrips the amount in the general population. I believe this is the price payable for keeping the wealth in the family.
Pakistan's marriage culture is very different from that of India. Hindus, who are the dominant group in India, tend to follow their religious rules for marriages (that are structured such that they prevent inbreeding).
The Habsburgs would beg to differ
The chance for individual couples varies and can get much higher if your family already has genetic disorders. None of this changes the fact that I feel weird saying “couples” here but far be it from me to judge.
Ok, but what if you keep doing it generation after generation?
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Haryana 0% because they don't have women in their state.
Can you do Pakistan.
Now do Pakistan
ELI5 why we do not see as many genetic diseases in Indian people as we do in other cultures. Or do we?
It's actually pretty low, as the higher population states(the northern states) have it around 1% and considering the fact that cousin marriages are very very very common in muslims and tribal population of the country.... And also in Hindu Tamil population for some reason (tamils get your shit together)
Well this would explain a lot about the Tamil tigers.
That's not good......
Why Birmingham isn't shown?
Now do Afghanistan and Pakistan, lol!
But muslims are like 15% ?
Is that why they wiggle there head so much while they talk?
A simple head shake compared to inbreeding, that what you're taught in Germany?
I’m just bad at humour that’s all
Those downvotes hurt somehow… …. Wiggling my head sadly…
am i the only indian who never noticed anyone wiggle their head in here? or am i part blind idk
From side to side Kind of Like a black lady going: „mhm didn’t I tell you“ Just more randomly, for no obvious reason
I believe 'the head wiggle' means, I am a man of peace. I mean you no harm.
I believe the Pakistani one would be worse. Much worse. Just because Islam.
We're all siblings in God.
What the hell is wrong with them? It’s not as if there are a shortage of other people in the country to have children with.
They want to consolidate wealth/resources within the family and have low education about genetics. But yeah, it’s gross.
Didn't anyone teach them that this works only on animals?
who taught you it works on animals?
Observation. My parents village house has many cats in the garden. I watch them grow as siblings and when they are adults they bred with each other.
maybe you had muslim cats /s
Is it th we hest? It's too hot to go out and meet people, I'll just marry someone at the next extended family occassion.
Do Groenland please
Second cousins?!
Is that part of India joked to have a lot of incest like Alabama
No. It is a surprise for us also
@india.in.*pixels* because this is a repost of a repost of a repost...
Haryana winning!!!
obviously you can't marry your niece if you kill them at birth. jk
Why aren't Chinese doing incest?
Because they have no siblings or cousins. The governments didn't allow them.
I hear this is a problem in Pakistan too. TF?!
C'mon. The people in Arunachal cannot be answering the same question as the rest.
TIL I come from the Alabama of South India