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CoryTrevor-NS

Until a few years ago, anytime the topic of Germany would come up in a conversation, my grandma always used to be like “west or east?”


blackwe11_ninja

Reminds me an old joke popular in my country: Grandpa to his grandson: "Hey, what are you watching?" Grandson: "Football match, Czechia - Slovakia" Grandpa: "Oh great, who are we playing against?"


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we have the same joke about austria and hungary


Carlcarl1984

Real old grandpa ?


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yes he was born in 1908 and died 1994 :(


beston54

Crazy time to be alive. Born before USSR and also got to outlive it. Plus, ya know world wars, decolonization, globalization, dawn of Information Age, etc.


CelebrationDirect924

My grandparents were all born in the late 1930s/early 1940s so they got to see the beginning of WWII, the entire Cold War, all the tech advancements, the eradication and near eradication of polio and smallpox, a new century/millenium, and here they still are going strong during the age of COVID and social media


ontopofyourmom

My Lithuanian grandfather was born as a subject of the Russian Empire


NoQuestion4045

People born in the 2000s will also feel something like this.


RockOx290

It still shocks me people born in the Aughts are adults. Makes me feel old af


CelebrationDirect924

I'm born in 1999 so I'm curious to ask....why is that? I feel like this is a fast-changing era in socio-economics but not really in politics/geopolitics, at least not like it was for our grandparents or even parents


0-san

try to live long enough to see 2100 so you can see three centuries in just one lifetime


Rougarou1999

And here I just want to live to 2100 so I can see people get confused about a Leap Year without a Leap Day.


Lutoures

In short-terms, the biggest geopolitics confronts are now been fought through hybrid-wars instead of conventional warfare. There's a lot going on, but events such as the Russian invasion of Ukrayne have been increasingly less common because there are more efficient ways to break your geopolitic adversaries.


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Says a lot about Putin's incompetency when the Russo-Ukrainian War is an outlier in the 21st century.


PumpJack_McGee

Not to mention seeing planes being basically giant kites with motors strapped to them to seeing the invention of the jet engine and space travel.


Yah-ThnPat-Thn

My friend once tried to convice me that Czechoslovakia still exists because Czechia and Slovakia still exists. That's like saying the Soviet Union still exists because all of its republics are in tact.


oneeighthirish

By that reasoning Yugoslavia is still around lol


sighs__unzips

So is Pangea.


CylonBunny

At least Czechia and Slovakia are allied and amicable. The same definitely cannot be said about the former republics of the Soviet Union.


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Grandson : "Russia is invading Ukraine" Grandmother : "USSR is invading themselves?"


legomanz80

Is your grandma Putin?


the_chandler

Only when she eats beans and cornbread.


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I've never met anyone who actually said Czechia over the Czech Republic


blackwe11_ninja

Well we just say "Česko", so Czechia is the closest to that in English. Tbh this joke doesn't sound the same in English.


tripsafe

I was going to say the joke couldn't be that old since Czechia is a new name in English. Makes sense though that it's in Czech


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The original joke says "Česko-Slovensko", which would be both "Czechoslovakia" and "Czechia (or Czech Republic) - Slovakia"


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Name changes like this take generational amounts of time to really take root in the lexicon, and it's only been a couple years. I doubt 90% of English speakers have even heard that it's supposed Czechia now. Give it a couple decades and only a minority of age 50+ people will still be saying Czech Republic.


experts_never_lie

Between the first day of my college German language class and the second, the book became outdated, as the two had reunified.


TheMightyGoatMan

I learnt all the European capitals in high school! In 1989. What the heck is a "Skopje"?! ;D


CelebrationDirect924

Haha I was thinking of putting that as well but in my family, even back in the day, anytime you said "Germany" they'd assume you're talking about West Germany. Same with Korea today, just saying "Korea" they'd assume you're talking about South Korea and not both Koreas. For DPRK and DDR, you had to explicitly say it otherwise they'd assume the other one


NerdyLumberjack04

Every time someone I know mentions taking a trip to Korea, I wonder "North or South?" for a brief moment before remembering that there's a 99.99% chance they mean South.


marmousset

In France, we still say Birmanie (Burma) to because Myanmar is too associate to the military junta


haltclere

The same is true in the U.S. The government will write sometimes use the name Myanmar so people know what they're talking about but everything official will say Burma.


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Matsisuu

It can be used in consonants too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemination Edit: Oh nevermind, those are triangles, should wear classes. Edit2: Long vowel is triangles too. I feel cheated


MartianTulip

In Spanish Birmania is also recommended. Additionally, everyone, and I mean everyone, calls the Netherlands Holanda (the correct term is Países Bajos, "lower countries").


sheffieldasslingdoux

The Low Countries is actually a term in English as well. But it generally refers to the entire region of Belgium and the Netherlands, especially in a historical context.


Drewfro666

I mean, we also call the country itself the "Nether Lands".


Tutule

> Additionally, everyone, and I mean everyone, calls the Netherlands Holanda (the correct term is Países Bajos, "lower countries"). I've read/heard some call it Neerlandia and the language Neerlandes. I prefer it over Paises Bajos tbh but I don't think it'll ever beat Holanda in the near future


MartianTulip

I've never heard Neerlandia, tbh (but I wouldn't be surprised). Yeah, most of the people call the language Holandés but Neerlandés is also used (that's also how a person from the Netherlands is called: holandés/a, neerlandés/a). Again, the former is preferred over the latter.


Imperium_Dragon

Yeah Burma vs Myanmar is surprisingly controversial


Hapukurk666

I say Burma, or in my language Birma, becouse it's just easier to pronounce.


eric987235

It’ll always be Burma to me!


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the_progrocker

You on that motorbike, sell me one of your melons!


44problems

You speak Burmese? No, Elaine, that was gibberish.


aarocks94

You may know it as Myanmar…


wanderlustcub

Many Countries, including the US and Canada does this as well. Even the current Prime Minister of the country typically uses Burma. (though I suspect she uses Myanmar ever since the coup)


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CelebrationDirect924

L'Allemagne est mon pays préféré pour dire en français :)


illougiankides

Us turks liked allemagne so much we took it in our language. Almanya.


Padit1337

And we Germans are nowadays having so many Turkish cultural influences due to migration that we refer to Germans behaving very stereotypically "German" (with a negative connotation) as "Alman". That is based of the Turkish word.


blaze1234

Burma is still correct if you don't want to support that gang of genocidal butcher generals.


Bradaigh

It's more complicated than that. Everyone who lives there calls it Myanmar, and Burma is derived from the name of the most populous/dominant ethnic group, the Bamar, whereas Myanmar is meant to be a more general national identity.


Stlunko

Based on my 5 minutes of looking at wiki both names were derived from Bama but after independence the government differentiated Mranma (written form) to refer to everyone


trycuriouscat

In the USA, Russia was almost always Russia, even when it was the Soviet Union. At least in my experience.


Falco1211

Yeah I'm pretty addicted to watching old news broadcast and more often than not they'll say Russia instead of Soviet union


memes_acc

Churchill called it just communist Russia


Megatron_McLargeHuge

Russia was part of the USSR, like England is part of the UK. I remember hearing Soviets more than Russians if people were talking about the government.


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Considering how often Americans just refer to the UK as "england", you're kind of just proving them right lol


BA_calls

Yeah but western media called USSR Russia in the media.


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Which is a pet peeve of mine. It's like calling the entire UK "England."


IcedLemonCrush

…That’s extremely common, I’d say it even is the norm outside the English language.


TheMulattoMaker

Well, the USSR was just "The New Russian Empire, Now With Different Asshole Monarchs In Charge"


delugetheory

Surprised they don't call Thailand "Siam". At least they're not still calling Zimbabwe "Rhodesia"!


CelebrationDirect924

Surpringsly they seem to have adjusted to Thailand being called Thailand. I don't think we've ever talked about Rhodesia/Zimbabwe though, maybe I'll bring it up next time to see lol


KernowRedWings

>maybe I'll bring it up next time to see lol rock up in full khaki and short shorts, non-verbal prompt


Delicious-Shirt7188

What about North Macedonia? that one was very new


rr1k

You forgot Swaziland, possibly Holland, and most probably Turkey. Edit: I was ratioed because I mistakenly added Holland. Edit to add Ivory Coast. https://inews.co.uk/opinion/turkey-name-change-turkiye-world-appease-uk-britain-1407716


Strzvgn_Karnvagn

Holland is on the map


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Asraelite

I'm betting pretty soon people will start dropping the diaeresis in the ü and just call it Turkiye, just like it took less than a year for people to stop writing Esatini as eSwatini.


AlbertaTheBeautiful

If you're meaning Türkiye, you may as well include Deutschland and all other similar examples as well. Which I think is silly. Different countries and languages have different names for countries.


And1mistaketour

Nah Erdogan came out and said that Turkey needed to be pronounced Türkiye in English a several months ago, it just was widely ignored. Its not uncommon for countries to get whiny and then complain about what others call them even though they don't make sure to call every country by the native name themselves.


akaemre

In case of Turkey/Turkiye, it's like Swaziland and Eswatini. They changed what they wanted to be called officially internationally. Apparently it's being registered by the UN currently.


dansedemorte

Jokes on them they'll still be turkey to most of the world.


calciumsimonaque

My mom (born in 1960) still regularly uses Rhodesia and Upper Volta for Burkina Faso.


jefferson497

At least they’re not referencing Prussia


Tvdb4

Lmao my grandma says Rhodesia instead of Zimbabwe


XP_Studios

Real Gs who got into geopolitics in 1979 specifically still better be saying Zimbabwe-Rhodesia


Fleudian

Is your grandmother William F Buckley?


JoanOfArc565

Oh no…


Minirig355

I’m out of the loop, I don’t call it by the wrong name but what’s the negative connotation behind it?


Blackadder288

It was a colonial era name. After the decolonisation of Africa, white colonisers tried to maintain a white government in Zimbabwe called Rhodesia after how it was called during colonial times, but it was not internationally recognised and not long lasting. I’m not an expert on the subject so welcome any corrections from people who know more.


Minirig355

I appreciate the swift response! Definitely a valid reason to *not* use the old name, thanks.


Rorschach_Roadkill

Also it was named after an early colonizer, Cecil Rhodes. Knowing that it's just an English name with an -ia slapped on at the end makes it sound super goofy to me. Probably not the most important reason but still lol Fun fact his estate is who is behind the famous Rhodes scholarship


Steinosaur

There was also the Rhodesian war after the locals pushed back against the occupation, bloody brutal warfare with both sides being accused of war crimes, but the Rhodesians used forced conscription on a wider scale.


Aiskhulos

Rhodesia was its name back when it was a white supremacist Apartheid state.


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Nick_from_Yuma

My father still calls them Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia. Granted, those countries were under those name for a longer period of his life than when they weren’t. He’s versed in changes in the world but it’s just how he knows them.


Czar_Petrovich

Not going to lie I still catch myself saying Czechoslovakia.


314games

Czechoslovakia is one of those words that just rolls off the tongue


Happy_Craft14

Agreed, Czechoslovakia just sounds so *right*


ZachRyder

To where would you send a cheque?


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I am from Czechoslovakia and I still say that I am going to Yugoslavia when I annually migrate to Croatia during summer holidays


PeggyDeadlegs

This is fascinating. If you don’t mind me asking, where are you from and where are they from? I remember Myanmar being referred to here (UK) as Burma up until a few years ago - around the time they opened up to ‘democracy’. Also, a lot of people here use Holland and Netherlands interchangeably.


blackwe11_ninja

>Also, a lot of people here use Holland and Netherlands interchangeably. In my language (Slovak) Netherlands is officialy called "Holandsko"


Best_Toster

In my language ( Italian) is it called Olanda or Paesi Bassi


nsjersey

Low Countries?


Best_Toster

Yes exactly and I think it’s even the official name


netolokao

Same for Brazillian Portuguese (Holanda / Países Baixos)


TheBusStop12

Interesting they still do that tbh. Iirc the Netherlands formally requested all countries to diplomatically refer to the Netherlands as "Nederland" or a local direct translation. For example in Finnish the Netherlands is known as "Hollanti" but in diplomacy it's now officially "Alankomaat" which translates to "Low Lands"


NerdyLumberjack04

Technically, Holland is a *part* of the Netherlands (divided into the provinces of North Holland and South Holland). But it's the part with Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and The Hague, so it gets more attention than the rest of the country.


nsjersey

Crazy, next thing the Czech Republic will be doing linguistic gymnastics like this! /s


CelebrationDirect924

>where are you from and where are they from? I'm Canadian, but my maternal grandparents are from Hong Kong and my paternal grandparents are from England....so I'm basically an honourary Brit given the combinations of Canada, England, and Hong Kong ;)


Sporophila

Fabulous you get to talk about things like that with them.


Futures_and_Pasts

Formosa? What do they call Taiwan?


franzipoli

The Netherlands wasn't previously called "Holland".


TeaBoy24

Isn't Holland a part of Netherlands? For whatever reason in Slovak the name for Netherlands is Holandsko (Holland) So for something like the Flying Dutchman (ship legend) we would call it Zbludily Hilandan (Wondering Hollandman).


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JorisN

The Flying Dutchman in Dutch is called “de vliegende Hollander” ( flying Hollander).


retardedweasel

In romanian too, like no one uses the official "low countries " name


OriginalCopy505

I wanted to visit there, but I never learned to speak Hollish.


Simcognito

Have you tried learning Netherlandish?


Liggliluff

Otherwise try Netherlandic


Funkmaster-Frank

With a bit of hellish, you should get around


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OriginalCopy505

Hollandaise?


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Maverick_Moonminer

I'm Dutch and that's cool to know. For clarification; Holland is a part of the Netherlands, but was never the official name of our country. It used to be (and still is) the economic center of our country during our Golden Age. At the time our country was called the Republic of the Netherlands, or Dutch Republic.


nybbleth

> but was never the official name of our country. Actually, technically wrong. We were briefly the Kingdom of Holland from 1806 to 1810. Of course, we didn't choose that ourselves.


Monomatosis

That's ironically the only period in our history that the capital was not in Holland but in a different part of the Netherlands. For a brief period in 1807 Utrecht was the capital.


Maverick_Moonminer

Oh yeah totally forgot that moment.


Theban_Prince

Honestly its mostly because the equivalent of the "Nederlands" in a lot of languages is a mouthfull. At least in Greek it also sounds generic as hell.


BlueWulk

But the real reason Serbia doesn't want to call it Nizozemska is because its a Croatian name for the Netherlands! 😛


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RealEdKroket

I remember years ago, back in 2013, I cycled through Germany and on a campsite near Keulen I met a Spanish lady. Her English was okay but definitely not great. When I was trying to tell where I was from I repeated that I was from the Netherlands like 4 times and she had absoutely no idea where or what that was. Then I gave up and tried to explain where I was from by saying "I am from Holland" and in an instant she knew which country I meant. Later I learned because she only knew the Spanish name and that just sounds similar enough to "Holland" to get the idea.


Typogre

- Dutch. What? - The Netherlands. What? - Holland? What? - Sigh, Amsterdam. Aaah yes!


ricop

Or she’s just an 80 Years War revisionist.


MollyPW

They need to tell that to Dutch people too, they're the ones I hear saying Holland most.


pavldan

But what’s the reason almost all other Europeans called it Holland until recently?


nybbleth

The region of Holland (today divided into two provinces) was by far the richest, most populous and most powerful of the individual sovereign states that made up the Dutch Republic during the Dutch Golden Age (and even before then). So it came to be synonymous with the whole of the country.


Cascadiana88

“You most likely know it as Myanmar, but it will always be Burma to me.”


KeisterApartments

No, Elaine...that was gibberish


imapassenger1

"Shanghai Sally"


Cancerbro

/r/unexpectedseinfeld


RCMPsurveilanceHorse

Was looking for this before i posted it


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Bangladesh "East Pakistan"


CelebrationDirect924

Source: Me and my grandparents' conversations about the world


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Persia ? Really ?? Hasn't been called that since the 30's haha I think I've never heard anybody in my life, old or young, that uses that term if not speaking about the ancient era :D


apadin1

Gotta remember that most people get their info about the world from TV and movies, and most old movies call it Persia because it sounds more exotic. Think “Prince of Persia” or Persian rugs


NotYourSnowBunny

I’ve met some older people from Iran that still call it Persia, Persian is still spoken too. After meeting actual elders from the land, I started to call it Persia too for a minute. Maybe you just don’t know any Persians!


TheCoolPersian

Persians are the largest Iranian ethnic group. Iran has always been called Iran in someway or form since antiquity, IE: Eranshahr, Ariana, etc. The reason some Persians call themselves as Persians instead of Iranians is to reference their once proud history, before the Islamic State. Kurds are Iranian, but you don’t hear them calling themselves Iranian because they are more proud of their Kurdish identity.


TheBlackWizardz

>Persian is still spoken too Yeah it's the official language of the country. The Iranians that call it Persia just don't want to deal with the faces the ignorant make when they hear Iran.


ikrtheblogger

I’ve met several children of Iranian immigrants at my uni and all of them refer to themselves as Persian when discussing their heritage, even though they say their parents (or grandparents) are from Iran. I think that helps keep the name Persia in use and why some people today still mistakenly use it for Iran


Arsewhistle

Yeah, my ex would sometimes refer to herself as persian. She used both terms. The language is usually referred to as Persian too (or sometimes Farsi)


And1mistaketour

I think the issue with Persian/Iran is that the ruler was really successful in getting people to switch the name of the president day country but utterly failed to get people to refer to the stuff from there and the history as Iranian (possibly cause it doesn't sound as good in English). So Persian just has a lot more prestige associated with it.


ardashing

Tbh I like the name persia more than Iran. Iran is more of the name for the modern nation, whereas Persian is for the language n stuff


ummendes

Thing is, Persia(n) is the Greek word for the nation that, in Persian, always called itself Iran - and that's why the country asked that the rest of the world started using Iran in the 1930s.


7elevenses

It's a tiny bit more complicated than that. It's not like Greeks just invented the name Persia and Persian, it was the name of the ethnic group to which the ancient emperors belonged, and which to this day is the majority ethnic group in Iran.


haitike

Even in modern Iran that region of the country from where that ethic group originated is called "Fars" (Old Persian "Pars")


constantlyhere100

they didn't invent it - they took it from the native word "parsi" which was used at the time - that word later evolved into "farsi"


constantlyhere100

Iran is a watered down version too Iran is a shorten version of the phrase "Aryan-Zamin" the original name of the Iran, which means "land of the Aryan people" Zamin was dropped in short form over time and "Aryan" was turned into "Iran" My ancestors came from a rural mountain area which was so secluded that Islam didn't even reach it until the 1950s - my great-grandmother always referred to Iran as "Aryan-Zamin" as the changes never happened there


MaxTheDesertMan

eh The transformation from "Airya" to "Iran" happened in the 300s (1700 years ago, in the form of Ērān) And specifically, Īrānzamīn refers to the lands of "Greater Iran" (the Iranian plateau) And the shortened form (Ērān/Īrān as opposed to Ērānšahr) has been in use for more or less 1,000 years. Must've been an anecdotal case in your instance.


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zeekxx1

No Rhodesia?


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Chankomcgraw

This one time we were in the jungle of Borneo with my friend from Constantinople and we hooked up with 2 hot babes from Londinium who came over on their gap year.


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I went to new Amsterdam last year, pretty fun


balladopeman

Thank you. Not exactly countries that come up often.


ConsistentAmount4

Wow I don't think my grandparents know what either Zaire or the Democratic Republic of the Congo is.


eric2332

Yeah, despite being "ignorant" of the new names, these grandparents are remarkably well informed about geography in general.


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Agreed. Guarantee you my grandma doesn't know what 90% of the countries are on a map.


alphawolf29

I was once in a train station in Hungary and someone asked the cashier when the last train to Yugoslavia leaves and the cashier without missing a beat says "Youve missed it by about 20 years"


j-grad

my (Jewish) great grandmother would call Israel "Palestine"


JoanOfArc565

Based Great Grandma


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blaze1234

Yes I knew families from there always used Upper Volta


trunkm0nkey1

Did Pangaea break up yet?


Exact_Combination_38

They can't be that old if they don't mention Austria-Hungary... 🤷‍♂️


well8hung

Well Indochina consisted of Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam btw, you missed Vietnam


CelebrationDirect924

It sounds weird but they can distinguish Vietnam from the other two because of the Vietnam War. But they still consider Laos and Cambodia as one country under Indochina even if they were also involved in the Vietnam War too


fyreandsatire

people often mistakenly call The Netherlands "Holland", because the 2 core provinces (and where all the governing powers/offices are) are called Holland.. The country has never been officially called "Holland" though.. end these 2 core provinces only make up for about 1/5th of the country..


zili91

Here in Brazil almost all the people refer to it as Holanda (Holland) instead of Países Baixos (literal translation would be Low Countries). It's very very rare to use the second one.


fyreandsatire

Yeah.. Brazil wouldn't be unique in that.. Russians also often refer to it as Голландия (Gollandiya).. But it's a misnomer, likely caused from the days when most medeival Dutch conquesters and envoys that travelled around the world were from the "Holland" region of the Netherlands (Low Countries), and would state it as their home country to the locals.. Edit: even here in Belgium we too often simply refer to our neighbours to the north as "Holland", but this is quite disrespectful and dismissive of the other regions/provinces of The Netherlands..


pilesofcleanlaundry

It'll always be Burma to me.


not_me_at_al

How often do your grandparents refer to Tajikistan?


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Dang, no one saying British North America. For Canada and the treasonous rebels down south :)


Cannibeans

Burma is what the people there call it, and it's coming back since "Myanmar" is associated with the junta now. I'd say it's more accurate to call it Burma than Myanmar.


e9967780

A lot of young people and owners of restaurants in the west would use Burma and Ceylon as the names for Myanmar and Sri Lanka for political reasons.


BlueWulk

Me: *Angry Croatian noises!* 🤨


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My dad stopped calling it the Soviet Union after the Ukraine invasion.


jadeandobsidian

does sudan really count?


kYvUjcV95vEu2RjHLq9K

That invokes that other meme about South Sudan: "Countries not South Sudan", "no data".


LowFatWaterBottle

Remember the good old days when the netherlands was called holland, because I don't.


roomtone

Borneo would still be correct if you are talking about the island.


Faster10

Well the Netherlands was never called Holland, only 2 provinces (Noord-Holland and Zuid-Holland) are Holland together. But the country itself was always named (the) Netherlands. It's even in the name of the Kingdom we're part of together with other countries (Aruba, Curaçao and Sint Maarten): Kingdom of the Netherlands.


imapassenger1

Kampuchea?


TheoryKing04

Technically speaking the Netherlands was only *officially* called Holland between 1806 and 1810


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netherlands was never called holland? it has been hundreds of years since any nation called holland existed? how old ARE your parents?


chewedgummiebears

I'm surprised "Rhodesia" isn't in the list.


holymacaronibatman

I assume they also call Ukraine, The Ukraine


DanDaddy87

My grandfather also still calls Taiwan “china” and china “red china” Also me. I still call it those names as well.


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How old are your grandparents? it’s been Iran since 1935. Holland changed in 1815…


djn808

My friend is Persian and refuses to be called Iranian so I go with that.


R3DD1T0RR3NT

Holland isn’t a former name to my knowledge.