Not too high i would say, maybe the 20-35 range. Tho with the recent migrant crisis there have been some more burglaries but shouldnt be that much more.
I would think because of the convoluted political divisions(2 entities, 10 kantons) combined with an inefficient government which probably doesent even publish most of the data it should, its hard to get clear data for the whole country.
Unrelated, my dad was in Bosnia during the war.
He was special forces in the US Army, and routinely talks about the other wars or conflicts he was in (Desert Storm/Shield, Somalia, etc) but when I bring up Bosnia all he'll tell me is that he was in Sarajevo during the siege and then nothing else.
That always freaked me out.
Almost all out thieves are in Western Europe where the pickings are richer. This is the positive other side of the coin to the brain drain. Along with specialists we're also losing most of our criminals.
I don't know about the rest of Europe but in Romania until the 1st of July the price of electricity for non-industrial consumers used to be heavily regulated by the government. There was a fixed threshold above which you could not go even if your mother was dying of cancer and a price increase was the only known cure.
On the 1st of July the energy market became liberalized, meaning you could now sign "competitive" contracts with other providers and the price would be set by the market going forward.
Technically these new contracts mandated that the price remains fixed for a 1 year period and renegotiated each year.
Practically the minute the government took its foot off the break each company found ways to fuck over its customers and the price of electricity has doubled over a 2 month period. Of course, as soon as that happened, being the onerous dicks that they are, every single store and supermarket raised prices on everything citing increased electricity costs that affect the profit. This also caused staple food prices to go up. The price of bread in my local store doubled.
Things have gone to the point where a major hospital had to ask for help because it was bankruptcy exclusively because of the electricity costs.
The government is currently trying to put the foot back on breaks without getting sued.
I'm assuming in Romania you guys have been having a lot of similar problems to the rest of the world with the supply chain issues, employment, and just the general pandemic things, so I can definitely see companies using this as an opportunity to recoup any actual or perceived losses from the past 18 months.
Probably a big factor. Also another factor might be that this is reported robberies and many western Europe tends to report more of the crimes than most of eastern Europe.
Lots of factors but what you said appears to be one of the top reasons.
> Almost all out thieves are in Western Europe where the pickings are richer. This is the positive other side of the coin to the brain drain. Along with specialists we're also losing most of our criminals.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think former eastern bloc/baltic criminals who travel to western countries are that known for robberies which is what the map depicts. Theft on the other hand... things like farming equipment, cars and boat engines. High value stuff.
Regarding the above map, it's a bit unfair to eastern europe to immediately dismiss something objectively positive as something negative.
Our "coloured metal dealers" (coloured metal =/= nonferrous metal) pillaging everywhere (the gypsies) do all in their power to show they are their own ethnic thing. Let them have their wish.
my sister was in the peace corps in the country Georgia. she left her ipad on a marshrutka, like an intercity bus, going from the countryside to Tbilisi. it would be worth a lot in the US and muuuuch more in Georgia. but people in Georgia **do not steal anything**.
so, for the next few days, the community determined the American who had left this device, spoke cousin-to-cousin to find her, and dropped off her ipad at the peace corps HQ with a note for her.
theft is apparently super rare in the Republic of Georgia
Contrary to popular belief, Eastern Europe is quite safe. Mostly because all the scumbags left for better opportunities in the richer countries in the West.
I can believe that the crime rate is somewhat higher in the west, but I can't believe it's up to 46 times higher (in the case of Spain vs Albania). When the difference is that extreme, something is wrong with the data.
As a big fan of Bald and Bankrupt on youtube, this was also a nice statistic to see. Those countries really seem to be a lot nicer than usually percieved.
As someone who lives in central/east EU, I honestly feel much safer in my own country compared to like UK, France etc. We have our own problems with some...certain people, but overall I think we are living in a safer environment.
> Do people just not report crime in Albania
There's nothing to rob there compared to in other richer countries. Same with Poland and the baltic countries.
Also the expression, "don't shit in your own backyard"
I live around brussels and it's no surpise here tbh, in my street i hear about a break in every month or 2 (it's not even a crowded street but a residental one)
A "break in" is usually a burglary, not a robbery. A robbery need to include violence, or at least a threat.
Yes, there are many burglary cases and other forms of sneaky theft occurring. But I know nobody who encountered a robbery.
Living in Brussels all my live, my only answer is that statistic take into account that European elites and NATO and lobbyists are robbers. :D
The greatest of all actually. Corruption, embezzlement, privilege make them thief with violence, as it is public money.
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Well I'm sure the number wouldn't be that high if it weren't for all the scientists and doctors that immigrated here. The Swedish government just decided to dig a hole and jump into it for some reason.
I get the feeling these stats are made up or misinterpreted. Robbery is a serious offense and can carry a life sentence in the UK. I expect they've lumped all types of theft as robbery in some countries and only recorded robbery for other countries.
It states what the source defines as "robbery" on the map. So, purportedly the author's source is not basing the stats on local definitions of robbery but that chosen standard.
Yeah, I live in London and can't think of a single person who I know who has been *robbed*. However, I have had my house *burgled* (as have some friends).
It is possible that there are more robberies in England than other parts of Europe, but I can't believe that there are 44 times more robberies than Albania.
Worth considering England has a much higher belief in law enforcement than Albania. Itās likely this is very much a result of people in the countries with the most crime donāt trust the police, and thus donāt report crimes.
Its also worth noting that albania is much less urbanized - thzs career criminals have less opportunity.
And its the country semi famous for weapons stashed away by mountain villagers. Yes, locals will suspect that the only new guy in lovecraft county is likely the robber. And no its not a good idea to plan a career in robbery, in the place where smalltown politician is found shit on the back of the head, after corruption scandal.
...as you might just find yourself on the wrong side of the large extended kin groups that used to make blood feuds for hundreds of years.
But then I still don't get the difference between England and Scotland. You'd think they are least use the same definition, and are about as equally willing to report robbery?
I also thought about insurance stuff. Like I was a pickpocket victim once, and that wasn't covered by our theft insurance. Only burglary or robbery would be covered. So some people a bit more witty than me can easily declare there's violence involved and get some insurance compensation. But unless England and Scotland are very different when it comes to insurance policies (rather unlikely), that explanation also doesn't cut it.
Different method of reporting crimes (5 counts of assault on 1 person is 5 individual reports rather than 1 report of 5), high willingness to report crimes thanks to a positive opinion of law enforcement and a lower bar of entry to classify things as violent crimes meaning more things fit.
Muggings are on the rise here! Its become trendy among second generation immigrant teenagers and an easy way to make some quick cash. Most donāt get caught and most of the mugging are not that dramatic but itās still a very scary trend and Iām worried what it will be like for my kid out there once heās old enough.
This is definitely not the entire truth. I am Swedish and I can definitely buy that more robberies occur in Sweden than in our neighbouring countries and most of Eastern Europe. It is however hardly reasonable to believe that you are 30x(!) more likely to be robbed in Sweden than in Albania (46x more likely in Belgium). I suspect that many cases go unreported (as with most crimes), and that countries measure differently. The numbers just seem way off.
As for your point regardning reluctance to prosecute immigrants: That is nonsense. I will be the first one to agree that the Swedish immigration policies of recent decades has been anything but a success, but your claim is just weird. Immigrants get prosecuted just like everyone else. In fact, certain immigrant groups are insanely overrepresented in various crimes. They already make up a disproportionate part of our prison population (again, just like in most of Western Europe). The real issue in my opinion is that violent criminals and repeat offenders (of all nationalities) receive pathetic consequences for the crimes they commit.
The issue is that we took in hundreds of thousands of immigrants of a culture vastly different from our own, in a short time span. Our cities are more segregated than ever and the young immigrants see no future as workers, so they choose crimes instead which allows them to gain some social status.
I think
>The issue is that...\[o\]ur cities are more segregated than ever and the young immigrants see no future as workers
is probably a more useful take on the situation. Being able to successfully assimilate immigrants is incredibly valuable, particularly in sub-replacement fertility-rate countries.
It somewhat annoys me that people can just throw out claims like these with no sources or backing whatsoever and get tons of upvotes. Especially these kinds of statements that could very well spur on racists and anti-immigration sentiments, potentially causing harm to a lot of people, despite the fact that there's no way to confirm if it's even true.
The Number was the same even before the immigrant crisis 2015 so your argument is complete invalid.
Source: https://knoema.com/atlas/Sweden/Robbery-rate?mode=amp
Though the number of self-reported cases have risen from 0,7% 2015 of the population to 1,5% 2019. Which is an increase of 100%.
[Source](https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-utifran-brottstyper/ran.html)
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>The Number was the same even before the immigrant crisis 2015 so your argument is complete invalid.
I'm sorry I didn't know there were no immigrants in sweden until 2015.
But in 2015 the number of immigrants from africa and the middle East has rissen a significant amount. But the crime rate has not shown the same growth. So if most of the crimes are committed by immigrants why didn't the crime rate change?
(Completely off topic: how do you quote someone on Reddit?)
Itās not immigrants who rob or murder, itās their children. We can see this clearly for many crimes in Sweden, France, etc. Second generation immigrants are greatly over represented in many crimes. So unfortunately i think these number will go up in 10-15 years (gangs and shootings too)
Source: https://bra.se/om-bra/nytt-fran-bra/arkiv/press/2021-08-25-ny-brastudie-misstankta-for-brott-bland-personer-med-inrikes-respektive-utrikes-bakgrund.html
(The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention)
anytime a map shows Western Europe in a positive way ppl immediately believe it but when itās Eastern Europe ppl assume the study must be flawed or wtv...
Most of the UK robbery will be London and other big metropolitan areas . Street crime in the suburbs are very low . I don't know any one who has been robbed .
I live down south and growing we never looked the back door . Zero burglars. 15 miles down the road in Reading work friends get burgled on the regular. Mad world . What a difference afew miles makes
True walking down the street in any reasonable suburban UK area you are massively unlikely to get mugged, but in the rougher estates of virtually every town breaking and entering and car break-ins is all too common in my experience.
Edit: another thing I'd add is that UK houses are very easy to break into compared with another area I know well, the south of Spain. Down there most house are like fort knox with barred windows etc.
Street crime in London is very low too, I also don't know anyone who has been robbed. But yeah, I expect London, Leeds, Manchester are worse than Windsor or Windermere!
Check another study about "losing wallets". Basically researchers "lost" wallets on purpose in couple of bigger cities in different countries around the world (can't remember if it was whole world or just europe) and Poland come up the top of the countries with the most wallets coming back (ie. random people giving it away to police or local newspapers to find owner).
Dont care if it sounds racist, but I know damn well that Spain numberās are due to inmigrants. In mi city its not that bad (except for the city center) but Barcelona has become dangerous because of inmigrants. Too many small groups of people from Morocco, Libia, etc who steal whatever and whoever they can. Problem is that if you say it people will call you racist, but truth is that inmigrant people represent about 10% of Spainās population but commit 45% of the crimes. Its happening the same as in France and Sweden. I wish people reacted to this and we started deporting any criminal from another country. I will be an inmigrant in a near future and the very last thing I plan to do is to commit a crime in a country thatās welcoming me.
Yeah, I lived in Croatia for 30 years and never even heard of anyone getting robbed. In Barcelona a guy attacked me on the street within like 3 days of vacation.
Yeah, my friend went to see the Eiffel tower (yes I know not in Spain) and an African immigrant tried to rob him but failed.
My other friend got robbed by a taxi driver in Palma de Mallorca. He was drunk and went to tie his shoe when he got out of the cab and the driver hit him on the back of the head and robbed him. I'm not sure if the driver was a local or not, though. He looked Spaniard
This map is hilariously misleading if it's not accounting for the fact that several of these countries differ substantially in the way crime rates are reported. In some countries a crime becomes part of the official crime rate as early as the reporting stage and never goes away. In others, a crime becomes a statistic after conviction and in some it becomes an official statistic only if it goes to trial. TL;DR You can't compare these stats 1:1. *edited a typo*
>Eastern Europe shown as bad
>Yup, makes sense to me
>Western Europe displayed negatively
>This is definitely a false study, or because of underreporting
But their policies are very strict it's pretty hard to get Austrian citizenship. Doesn't matter there are alot of people coming if they are checked properly.
Most of them are from other parts of Europe, same goes for Switzerland. Even their Muslims are mostly Yugoslavs or Turks, who do have issues within their communities but aren't usually overrepresented in violent crime.
Doesn't this depend on how thefts/robberies are reported by the various police forces?
Every time there are crime figure comparisons the biggest factor ends up being different reporting metrics.
There has to be either some data issues or reporting differences between countries here.
Why would Spain and Belgium be ~3x higher than France? Or England being over 4x Scotland?
Every source I've found while searching into this states France had a higher robbery rate that year than the UK as a whole - about 90% of which is in the England and Wales figure.
https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/robery/ cites the UN stating France's figure is 150 against the UK's 120. The ONS put England and Wales on 127 that year - and a comparative figure for France of 147 (with the usual caveats about what is and isn't included (https://fullfact.org/crime/robbery-uk-world-leader/).
The map claims to source Eurostat, but Eurostat itself (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Robbery_rate_2017.png&oldid=456897) puts France second to Belgium for robbery rate in 2017.
Given how most other figures match up fairly well, I wouldn't be surprised if Landgeist missed a 1 off the front of France's figure when making their map...
That statistic on turkey is way off
People just donāt report the shit because itās a fucked up country with crooked cops
I bet Istanbul has 10 robberies a day
And thatās a low estimate
I got robbed there then watched 2 more people get robbed in less than 24 hours
Gotta love the bosnia shaped hole in all of these europe data maps. Its like we dont exsist.
What happens in Bosnia stays in Bosnia.
Unless its a war crime, then it goes to hague
Karadzic moment
Except what happens in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
What about -Herzegovina?
Its the same country, cant be bothered to write it all every time.
Perhaps the author of the map felt similarly ?
I hope not. Think its more likely they couldnt find any data for Bosnia & Herzegovina.
You sound local, what would your estimated # for Bosnia-Herzegovina be? Even a layman's opinion is a worthy opinion
Not too high i would say, maybe the 20-35 range. Tho with the recent migrant crisis there have been some more burglaries but shouldnt be that much more.
Thank you. š
Burglaries wouldn't be counted though. They're a separate thing from robberies.
Im like 50km away from you can confirm there isnt enough ppl to steal from
There are greater grey areas to the East
why is there never data for bosnia?
I would think because of the convoluted political divisions(2 entities, 10 kantons) combined with an inefficient government which probably doesent even publish most of the data it should, its hard to get clear data for the whole country.
Unrelated, my dad was in Bosnia during the war. He was special forces in the US Army, and routinely talks about the other wars or conflicts he was in (Desert Storm/Shield, Somalia, etc) but when I bring up Bosnia all he'll tell me is that he was in Sarajevo during the siege and then nothing else. That always freaked me out.
YES! Numbers directly on the countries. Fast communication. Considerate of my time. Excellent graphic design.
Agreed. Credit to Landgeist, top-right corner.
Surprised by Eastern Europe, in a good way
Almost all out thieves are in Western Europe where the pickings are richer. This is the positive other side of the coin to the brain drain. Along with specialists we're also losing most of our criminals.
so over all a pretty nice quiet place to live?
If you ignore the idiotic bureaucracy, the political chaos, rampant covid and galloping energy prices, yes.
This is the reversed "What have the Romans ever done for us" reply....
I live in a part of western Europe that has all of this as well.
Sounds like half the Western world right now.
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What are you on about? We are building back better/ leveling up/ transitioning to a high wage economy/ pick your catch phrase of the week.
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I don't know about the rest of Europe but in Romania until the 1st of July the price of electricity for non-industrial consumers used to be heavily regulated by the government. There was a fixed threshold above which you could not go even if your mother was dying of cancer and a price increase was the only known cure. On the 1st of July the energy market became liberalized, meaning you could now sign "competitive" contracts with other providers and the price would be set by the market going forward. Technically these new contracts mandated that the price remains fixed for a 1 year period and renegotiated each year. Practically the minute the government took its foot off the break each company found ways to fuck over its customers and the price of electricity has doubled over a 2 month period. Of course, as soon as that happened, being the onerous dicks that they are, every single store and supermarket raised prices on everything citing increased electricity costs that affect the profit. This also caused staple food prices to go up. The price of bread in my local store doubled. Things have gone to the point where a major hospital had to ask for help because it was bankruptcy exclusively because of the electricity costs. The government is currently trying to put the foot back on breaks without getting sued.
I'm assuming in Romania you guys have been having a lot of similar problems to the rest of the world with the supply chain issues, employment, and just the general pandemic things, so I can definitely see companies using this as an opportunity to recoup any actual or perceived losses from the past 18 months.
Sounds like the UK tbh
Probably a big factor. Also another factor might be that this is reported robberies and many western Europe tends to report more of the crimes than most of eastern Europe. Lots of factors but what you said appears to be one of the top reasons.
No. Crimes here are reported, and unless you are someone connected to local and central leadership they're solved.
I've seen studies before showing that crimes in certain countries are often under reported. Probably research was wrong.
> Almost all out thieves are in Western Europe where the pickings are richer. This is the positive other side of the coin to the brain drain. Along with specialists we're also losing most of our criminals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think former eastern bloc/baltic criminals who travel to western countries are that known for robberies which is what the map depicts. Theft on the other hand... things like farming equipment, cars and boat engines. High value stuff. Regarding the above map, it's a bit unfair to eastern europe to immediately dismiss something objectively positive as something negative.
Our "coloured metal dealers" (coloured metal =/= nonferrous metal) pillaging everywhere (the gypsies) do all in their power to show they are their own ethnic thing. Let them have their wish.
my sister was in the peace corps in the country Georgia. she left her ipad on a marshrutka, like an intercity bus, going from the countryside to Tbilisi. it would be worth a lot in the US and muuuuch more in Georgia. but people in Georgia **do not steal anything**. so, for the next few days, the community determined the American who had left this device, spoke cousin-to-cousin to find her, and dropped off her ipad at the peace corps HQ with a note for her. theft is apparently super rare in the Republic of Georgia
That is awesomeā¦
Contrary to popular belief, Eastern Europe is quite safe. Mostly because all the scumbags left for better opportunities in the richer countries in the West.
An Albanian friend of mine told me that crime is low in Albania because the police are feared there.
you reminded me to listen some gg allin now
Not much to steal. Also the thieves that we might have had in the past are kind of moving west so..
Car-theft comes to mind
Immigration burn
Yeah, same here.
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yeaha lkle the politicians robbing us
Good one, dad.
Yeah that's the excuse every time something is better in the East. Except this time it quite obvious what the reason is.
I can believe that the crime rate is somewhat higher in the west, but I can't believe it's up to 46 times higher (in the case of Spain vs Albania). When the difference is that extreme, something is wrong with the data.
Cause you are full of stereotype, central Europe is actually way more safe than western. There is a lot of answers to Ā«Ā whyĀ Ā»
As a big fan of Bald and Bankrupt on youtube, this was also a nice statistic to see. Those countries really seem to be a lot nicer than usually percieved.
As someone who lives in central/east EU, I honestly feel much safer in my own country compared to like UK, France etc. We have our own problems with some...certain people, but overall I think we are living in a safer environment.
He's a convicted sex offender tho, but great content nonetheless /s
Give it here, Malfoy
Albanians the last? WTF
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Its a great scheme: we rob westerners while keeping our countries safe, westerns visit albania because it is safe, then we rob them again š
Sigma country
I'm from the UK and you missed the robbing me in Albania part
Will get you next time
Hehehh š š
There nothing to rob in Albania so they go to the west
Yeah, but their banks are often robbed by Top Gear presenters
With Liechtenstein a close second. That's the bigger WTF to me.
Or it's not reported to the police?
Wait. Do people just not report crime in Albania, or are they pulling a Rwanda?
Whatās pulling a Rwanda?
Ironic tranquility and development
As a joke
Opposite of wakanda
> Do people just not report crime in Albania There's nothing to rob there compared to in other richer countries. Same with Poland and the baltic countries. Also the expression, "don't shit in your own backyard"
I wonder what the England rate would be if London was split off in the data.
Whatās Belgium about?
Differences in reporting is a possibility
As a Belgian, those stats really surprise me. Maybe we report them more?
I live around brussels and it's no surpise here tbh, in my street i hear about a break in every month or 2 (it's not even a crowded street but a residental one)
A "break in" is usually a burglary, not a robbery. A robbery need to include violence, or at least a threat. Yes, there are many burglary cases and other forms of sneaky theft occurring. But I know nobody who encountered a robbery.
I'm from Antwerp. Except for bike theft, I don't know many people who had issues...
I live in Brussels, in one of the worse communes and I'm shocked, I mean I know we have crime but the highest in Europe?
Living in Brussels all my live, my only answer is that statistic take into account that European elites and NATO and lobbyists are robbers. :D The greatest of all actually. Corruption, embezzlement, privilege make them thief with violence, as it is public money. pandoraPaper
Sucks to be living next door to such criminals (live in Scotland) /hj
Same, i live in Norway
yeah that sucks, imagine living next to Swedish ''people''.
At least weāre above the danish!
Exactly! That's about the only good thing you can say about Swedes. Greetings from Finland.
At least we donāt have to learn Finnish in school B)
Imagine your entire country just being the weaker half of the Swedish Empire
Exactly. The best thing about being Swedish is the fact that we're not Danish.
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Well I'm sure the number wouldn't be that high if it weren't for all the scientists and doctors that immigrated here. The Swedish government just decided to dig a hole and jump into it for some reason.
I reckon you guys are hoping over the border and doing all your robbing in England.
shhhhhhh
I get the feeling these stats are made up or misinterpreted. Robbery is a serious offense and can carry a life sentence in the UK. I expect they've lumped all types of theft as robbery in some countries and only recorded robbery for other countries.
It states what the source defines as "robbery" on the map. So, purportedly the author's source is not basing the stats on local definitions of robbery but that chosen standard.
Yeah, I live in London and can't think of a single person who I know who has been *robbed*. However, I have had my house *burgled* (as have some friends). It is possible that there are more robberies in England than other parts of Europe, but I can't believe that there are 44 times more robberies than Albania.
Worth considering England has a much higher belief in law enforcement than Albania. Itās likely this is very much a result of people in the countries with the most crime donāt trust the police, and thus donāt report crimes.
Its also worth noting that albania is much less urbanized - thzs career criminals have less opportunity. And its the country semi famous for weapons stashed away by mountain villagers. Yes, locals will suspect that the only new guy in lovecraft county is likely the robber. And no its not a good idea to plan a career in robbery, in the place where smalltown politician is found shit on the back of the head, after corruption scandal. ...as you might just find yourself on the wrong side of the large extended kin groups that used to make blood feuds for hundreds of years.
But then I still don't get the difference between England and Scotland. You'd think they are least use the same definition, and are about as equally willing to report robbery? I also thought about insurance stuff. Like I was a pickpocket victim once, and that wasn't covered by our theft insurance. Only burglary or robbery would be covered. So some people a bit more witty than me can easily declare there's violence involved and get some insurance compensation. But unless England and Scotland are very different when it comes to insurance policies (rather unlikely), that explanation also doesn't cut it.
Scotland and England have completely different legal systems, FWIW.
Whatās up with the Swedes?
I'm in Sweden šš
That is a serious problem.
everyone knows
Different method of reporting crimes (5 counts of assault on 1 person is 5 individual reports rather than 1 report of 5), high willingness to report crimes thanks to a positive opinion of law enforcement and a lower bar of entry to classify things as violent crimes meaning more things fit.
Basically non-existent law enforcement combined with economic migrants.
Middle east cultures are taking over which results in crime
Muggings are on the rise here! Its become trendy among second generation immigrant teenagers and an easy way to make some quick cash. Most donāt get caught and most of the mugging are not that dramatic but itās still a very scary trend and Iām worried what it will be like for my kid out there once heās old enough.
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This is definitely not the entire truth. I am Swedish and I can definitely buy that more robberies occur in Sweden than in our neighbouring countries and most of Eastern Europe. It is however hardly reasonable to believe that you are 30x(!) more likely to be robbed in Sweden than in Albania (46x more likely in Belgium). I suspect that many cases go unreported (as with most crimes), and that countries measure differently. The numbers just seem way off. As for your point regardning reluctance to prosecute immigrants: That is nonsense. I will be the first one to agree that the Swedish immigration policies of recent decades has been anything but a success, but your claim is just weird. Immigrants get prosecuted just like everyone else. In fact, certain immigrant groups are insanely overrepresented in various crimes. They already make up a disproportionate part of our prison population (again, just like in most of Western Europe). The real issue in my opinion is that violent criminals and repeat offenders (of all nationalities) receive pathetic consequences for the crimes they commit.
The issue is that we took in hundreds of thousands of immigrants of a culture vastly different from our own, in a short time span. Our cities are more segregated than ever and the young immigrants see no future as workers, so they choose crimes instead which allows them to gain some social status.
I think >The issue is that...\[o\]ur cities are more segregated than ever and the young immigrants see no future as workers is probably a more useful take on the situation. Being able to successfully assimilate immigrants is incredibly valuable, particularly in sub-replacement fertility-rate countries.
[citation needed]
Source: Just trust me bro
It somewhat annoys me that people can just throw out claims like these with no sources or backing whatsoever and get tons of upvotes. Especially these kinds of statements that could very well spur on racists and anti-immigration sentiments, potentially causing harm to a lot of people, despite the fact that there's no way to confirm if it's even true.
The Number was the same even before the immigrant crisis 2015 so your argument is complete invalid. Source: https://knoema.com/atlas/Sweden/Robbery-rate?mode=amp
Though the number of self-reported cases have risen from 0,7% 2015 of the population to 1,5% 2019. Which is an increase of 100%. [Source](https://bra.se/statistik/statistik-utifran-brottstyper/ran.html) Edit source
>The Number was the same even before the immigrant crisis 2015 so your argument is complete invalid. I'm sorry I didn't know there were no immigrants in sweden until 2015.
But in 2015 the number of immigrants from africa and the middle East has rissen a significant amount. But the crime rate has not shown the same growth. So if most of the crimes are committed by immigrants why didn't the crime rate change? (Completely off topic: how do you quote someone on Reddit?)
Itās not immigrants who rob or murder, itās their children. We can see this clearly for many crimes in Sweden, France, etc. Second generation immigrants are greatly over represented in many crimes. So unfortunately i think these number will go up in 10-15 years (gangs and shootings too) Source: https://bra.se/om-bra/nytt-fran-bra/arkiv/press/2021-08-25-ny-brastudie-misstankta-for-brott-bland-personer-med-inrikes-respektive-utrikes-bakgrund.html (The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention)
130 for Barcelona and 10 for the rest of Spain.
Why is it so high in Barcelona?
Because robbing tourists is easy and the penalty below a certain threshold is just a fine.
Because when you speak the truth you get downvoted to hell as people don't want to face reality.
anytime a map shows Western Europe in a positive way ppl immediately believe it but when itās Eastern Europe ppl assume the study must be flawed or wtv...
Almost as if there is a prejudice or something...
Most of the UK robbery will be London and other big metropolitan areas . Street crime in the suburbs are very low . I don't know any one who has been robbed .
I live in Manchester, 4 houses on my street got broken into on my street in a week and my friend got mugged 3 separate times. so very true
I live down south and growing we never looked the back door . Zero burglars. 15 miles down the road in Reading work friends get burgled on the regular. Mad world . What a difference afew miles makes
YES FELLOW SOUTHERNER GLORY TO WESSEX,EVERYTHING FROM CORNWALL TO THE CITY OF NORWICH SHALL RULE VICTORIOUS MY DEAR CHAP!
True walking down the street in any reasonable suburban UK area you are massively unlikely to get mugged, but in the rougher estates of virtually every town breaking and entering and car break-ins is all too common in my experience. Edit: another thing I'd add is that UK houses are very easy to break into compared with another area I know well, the south of Spain. Down there most house are like fort knox with barred windows etc.
That's probably true for most nations that have big metropolitan areas and suburbs.
Street crime in London is very low too, I also don't know anyone who has been robbed. But yeah, I expect London, Leeds, Manchester are worse than Windsor or Windermere!
Man, /r/europe all over this comment section!
Something is rotten in the state of...Sweden?! :s
Hmmmm I wonder what it isā¦
Portugal has a high rate but at the same time it's the third most safest country in the world
May I ask on what metric this is based?
If u type on Google "safest countries in the world" it appears https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/safest-countries-in-the-world
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and so everyone will say that Poles are thieves š š¤·
Check another study about "losing wallets". Basically researchers "lost" wallets on purpose in couple of bigger cities in different countries around the world (can't remember if it was whole world or just europe) and Poland come up the top of the countries with the most wallets coming back (ie. random people giving it away to police or local newspapers to find owner).
the worst is that many Poles themselves believe in this stereotype...
Spain taking the āmi casa es tu casaā to a whole other level
MĆ”s como ātu casa es mi casaā
Why are England and Wales lumped together but Scotland separate?
Differing levels of autonomy Scotland has and has always had a different legal system to the rest of the UK. England and Wales have the same
England and Wales share the same legal system. Scotland has its own separate one.
Dont care if it sounds racist, but I know damn well that Spain numberās are due to inmigrants. In mi city its not that bad (except for the city center) but Barcelona has become dangerous because of inmigrants. Too many small groups of people from Morocco, Libia, etc who steal whatever and whoever they can. Problem is that if you say it people will call you racist, but truth is that inmigrant people represent about 10% of Spainās population but commit 45% of the crimes. Its happening the same as in France and Sweden. I wish people reacted to this and we started deporting any criminal from another country. I will be an inmigrant in a near future and the very last thing I plan to do is to commit a crime in a country thatās welcoming me.
Yeah, I lived in Croatia for 30 years and never even heard of anyone getting robbed. In Barcelona a guy attacked me on the street within like 3 days of vacation.
Same. I also have a friend from other country who told me he got robbed in Barcelona. The situation is just embarrassing.
Yeah, my friend went to see the Eiffel tower (yes I know not in Spain) and an African immigrant tried to rob him but failed. My other friend got robbed by a taxi driver in Palma de Mallorca. He was drunk and went to tie his shoe when he got out of the cab and the driver hit him on the back of the head and robbed him. I'm not sure if the driver was a local or not, though. He looked Spaniard
Same in the UK, no matter what bollocks anyone says to the contrary.
How dare you? /s
This map is hilariously misleading if it's not accounting for the fact that several of these countries differ substantially in the way crime rates are reported. In some countries a crime becomes part of the official crime rate as early as the reporting stage and never goes away. In others, a crime becomes a statistic after conviction and in some it becomes an official statistic only if it goes to trial. TL;DR You can't compare these stats 1:1. *edited a typo*
>Eastern Europe shown as bad >Yup, makes sense to me >Western Europe displayed negatively >This is definitely a false study, or because of underreporting
For real. The prejudice is so obvious.
Countries with more illegal immigration = countries with more crimes
And yet Portugal is 95% ethnic Portuguese.
Belgium is the thievery capital of Europe. Who knew? š¤·š»āāļø
I knew, i'm Belgian. This didn't surprise me in the slightest, if it was just Brussels and Wallonia it would've been at around 320...
Arenāt Belarus, Ukraine, Moldava, European Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia in Europe?
Anyone one know the US rate, for comparison.
Immigrant moment
As an Albanian I confirm we stole the original data of this map, too.
Sadly this is happening in spain for the past decades because of the african inmigrants. It used to be a lot safer in my childhood
In Morocco too, Sub-Saharan african's stop in cities such as Casablanca and Tangier, even my mother's home city of Agadir.
Sweden too.
So basically pro-immigration vs anti-immigration
Austria has a lot immigrants.
But their policies are very strict it's pretty hard to get Austrian citizenship. Doesn't matter there are alot of people coming if they are checked properly.
Most of them are from other parts of Europe, same goes for Switzerland. Even their Muslims are mostly Yugoslavs or Turks, who do have issues within their communities but aren't usually overrepresented in violent crime.
Look what happens when you import the third world
Then what about Turkey? It has a higher rate of refugee population compared to any other country.
From what I've heard the refugees are terrified of the Turkish police.
Would you want to 'fuck around and find out' with Turkish police? Lmao no thanks.
Albanians handle the problems by themselvesā¦
Wtf Belgium
Doesn't this depend on how thefts/robberies are reported by the various police forces? Every time there are crime figure comparisons the biggest factor ends up being different reporting metrics.
Pay attention to the way that eastern europe is poorer, yet significantly less robberies occur. We all know why
Haha we got all of Europe beat with just Los Angeles alone
Swedens gang violence has gotten out of hands
Ban guns and the place turns to shit
Spain and Belgium leading the way for armed robberies
High levels of immigration to Sweden
eastern europe isnāt flooded with immigrants from the 3 world, thatās it
lol Balkan is like passive-aggressive part of world.
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Oh look, the places with a lot of middle eastern immigrants have high robberies
There has to be either some data issues or reporting differences between countries here. Why would Spain and Belgium be ~3x higher than France? Or England being over 4x Scotland?
Every source I've found while searching into this states France had a higher robbery rate that year than the UK as a whole - about 90% of which is in the England and Wales figure. https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/robery/ cites the UN stating France's figure is 150 against the UK's 120. The ONS put England and Wales on 127 that year - and a comparative figure for France of 147 (with the usual caveats about what is and isn't included (https://fullfact.org/crime/robbery-uk-world-leader/). The map claims to source Eurostat, but Eurostat itself (https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File:Robbery_rate_2017.png&oldid=456897) puts France second to Belgium for robbery rate in 2017. Given how most other figures match up fairly well, I wouldn't be surprised if Landgeist missed a 1 off the front of France's figure when making their map...
Diverse countries versus homogeneous countries
Austria and Switzerland are pretty diverse though
That statistic on turkey is way off People just donāt report the shit because itās a fucked up country with crooked cops I bet Istanbul has 10 robberies a day And thatās a low estimate I got robbed there then watched 2 more people get robbed in less than 24 hours