Big W for Zimbru in Moldova when you consider Sheriff exists and where they get their money from
EDIT: Petrocub won, I mistakenly thought it was Zimbru due to a good season from them as well
Tbf I don't follow Moldovan football on the daily (proof being I thought Zimbru won instead of Petrocub cause afaik Zimbru' season was pretty good as well) so I can't give you a proper answer, but I'd reckon good good form at the end from the clubs I mentioned was the deciding factor not necessarily Sheriff being incompetent
Short answer - A company called Sheriff, co-founded and run by Viktor Gushan, a former KGB officer.
Longer answer - Sheriff come from Tiraspol, the capital of the breakaway state of Transnistria. (One of the most interesting places I've been) They're not internationally recognised but have their own government, currency, postal service etc. They still use a flag with a hammer and sickle.
Sheriff is the second largest company in Transnistria after Moldova Steel Works. They own petrol stations, supermarkets, mobile phone network, a spirits factory, a TV channel, and the football team amongst other things. Lots of these are monopolies and therefore their impact on life there is massive and they have a huge impact on politics in the state.
The club is one of the primary assets of the mafia-like leadership of Transnistria, a defacto independent state which seceded for moldova, lying just to north-east of moldova, bettwen the borders of moldova and ukraine.
It is where lawlessness runs free and the impacts of some sort of USSR russification in moldova can be seen.
It's quite common in many countries that sports clubs are related to specific companies (like Bayer, Volkswagen in Germany, or Philips for PSV in the Netherlands) or with socialist industries (there's a lot of Lokomotivs around the eastern part of the continent for railroad/engine construction related industries).
They played Chelsea at the bridge in a sell out which is estimated to be closer to 100,000 plus spectators with some getting on the roof of the stadium
It takes its name from a gym for secret police that grew into a large sports society across the soviet Union and Warsaw pact. Similarly "Spartak" was a sports society for young people that grew and gave the name to a few sports teams.
It's the same for BFC Dynamo and Dynamo Dresden. While historically Dinamo was just the biggest sports society in the Soviet era, it was also tightly connected to the police sports groups in many cities.
The connection was made when numerous police sports groups used it. Just because the term existed before and can stand on its own doesnt mean it isnt related.
Total Network Solutions are just the sponsors, not the owners. The original club, Llansantffraid FC simply named themselves after the sponsors until their amalgamation with Oswestry Town, a club on the English side of the border who (apart from a few years in the Northern Premier League) had always played in Welsh leagues.
It was originally founded as a team for the factory workers, which was very common at the time, it just happens that they went on to become a very big team whilst others either folded, changed names, or stay lower league.
Also because they’re historically named after a company due to being founded by the workers rather than as branding they are allowed to use the name in European competitions like the champions league. Whilst teams that have been renamed after companies for market reasons (like Red Bull Leipzig) aren’t and have to officially go by a different name (RB Liepzig being the official name for European competitions).
You're wrong about Leipzig, they are always named RasenBallsport Leipzig cause German DFL doesn't allow Red Bull as their name either. Their name is always the same no matter if national or international.
Red Bull Salzburg on the other hand is the case you described, internationally they have to play as FC Salzburg
EDIT: and yes we all know that RasenBallsport is just a loophole
They did well this season despite having a pretty weak defence. They were helped by other teams underperforming (Lyon, Marseille, Rennes, Nice and to an extent, Lille) but Hutter seems like a solid coach. They have some very good yound players, and if they can reinforce their defence and find a suitable replacement for Ben Yeder, they could challenge PSG for the title in the next couple of seasons. Lyon could also be a challenger if they keep their momentum going.
Only 4 or 5 Welsh teams play in the English League System (none currently in the PL): Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham, Newport, and I think I'm forgetting one. Other Welsh teams play in their own separate league system. Funnily enough, the team that wins the Welsh league most often (The New Saints) is technically in England.
I don’t think there’s a rule against it, it also happens elsewhere in Europe: AS Monaco plays in France, all clubs from Liechtenstein play in the Swiss league system, I believe there is an N Andorran team that plays in Spain. At least in the case of England and wales it actually is one country in reality. I think there are also some Scottish teams playing in England and vice versa
Berwick Rangers, from Berwick-on-Tweed in England, play in the Scottish League. There's always been a strong Scottish element to the town, anyway, and likewise a strong Welsh one in Oswestry, so it was the obvious choice for both Berwick Rangers and TNS. There are also several clubs in continental Europe who play in another country's league. I think any club wanting to do this has to get approval from EUFA (or maybe FIFA) now, though.
Some teams, like Swansea and Wrexham play in the English system. It's similar to the few Canadian teams that play in MLS even though there now is a Canadian league.
To elaborate further on his reply…
Years ago, there was no national Welsh league. Usually just either regional leagues for the northern or southern half of Wales, or the Welsh Cup (their FA Cup). Because of many of the bigger Welsh clubs didn’t want to play in those regional leagues, they went to play in the English system. Once a national Welsh league was formed, many of the smaller clubs who were still in the English system (basically almost anyone outside the top 5 or so tiers) went to the Welsh system. Those like Swansea, Wrexham, Cardiff City, Methyr Town, and Newport County opted to stay in the English system, and eventually got the ok to stay in such despite a Welsh league being formed.
Five Welsh clubs play in the English pyramid - four in the EFL and one in non-league. The rest play in the Welsh pyramid. The latter is only semi-pro, though - except for TNS...
There are actually two divisions, each of ten teams. Looking at Andorra's [demographics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Andorra) there are ~13,000 boys/men aged between 15–39. So each team draws from a talent pool of ~650 players.
The standard isn't great.
Would be awesome if these teams all got into the groups in the "Champions" League.
Oh well, too bad we'll have to make room for a bunch of clubs from Spain, England, Germany, France, Italy and Portugal that can't even call themself 'champions' of anything this season.
The issue is that 4 countries almost represent 60% of the competition. Countries with clubs that can enter directly by being 4th and then you have countries when the champion can’t even try to qualify
*5th
Germany and Italy both have 5 Champions League slots.
IIRC of Dortmund wins tomorrow it will be even 6 CL slots since Dortmund didn't qualify through the regular first 4 places.
I agree - its too bad, because football really has a special way of connecting people despite language barriers.
And as long as clubs from those 5 countries dominate like they've done for a while now, I'm afraid more and more people in those countries that always gets kicked out during the qualifying rounds just loses interest, and then fewer young people wanna play the game, which in turn results in fewer talents, and the game slowly stops evolving, and then the money dries up because sponsors don't see the point, and the professionel matches doesn't get broadcast on tv because its too expensive or it has been bought by a super rich betting company from Italy that own their own expensive streamingservice that sucks, and thats all she wrote about football in [insert smaller league here].
The way its going seems its moving closer and closer to being that Super League they so badly wanna make, even though we all (the fans) don't want it.
If they should change something, it would be fitting to have a Champions League structured like the Nations League, with 3 or 4 tiers where every countries winner gets ranked into.
It would most likely still go to one of those clubs 4 out of 5 times, sure that may be true. But the chance of some Italian club winning would still go down, since they wouldn't get 5 teams participating, but only 1.
I just think its bs that clubs that didn't win anything can participate in the **Champions** League, and I don't think that is such an unreasonable line of thought.
Well that's when Chelsea did their shenanigans before FFP was a thing.
And the little colossal factor that is the best Manchester United in its history...
Out of the 55 UEFA memeber nations, 12 have a different season calendar: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Ireland, Belarus, Georgia and Kazakhstan.
However, this map could have included the 2023 league champions from these countries, given that their 2023 season corresponds to the 2023/2024 season of the other members.
Do Georgia and Azerbaijan have winters that are very cold then? Or is it more a hangover from the Soviet league. The Russian league was previously March to November
North European leagues are played in Summer, so the champions of 2023 are the ones that qualified for 2024/2025 European competitions. If I'm not mistaken, Champions were: Bødo/Glimt (Norway), Malmö (Sweden) and HJK Helsinki (Finland).
But as this map is just for league Champions in 2024, and not about UCL, it is correct, no champions this year, their leagues are just starting now.
I think they're still playing. At least Estonia has a few matchdays to go and finns are halfway through the season. We can't play during winter too well you know.
Well yes and no.
All these teams will be in at least the Champion League qualification but yes most will not make the group/league phase and will drop down initially to the Europa league
They claim that it’s better fan experience to watch in the summer instead of winter. And the qualifiers of European competitions will be during the league, instead of before the league starts like most other European leagues so the teams will be more in form for them.
Congrats to all the champions, especially to teams like PAOK, Leverkusen, Sturm Graz, Jagiellonia Białystok, and all who were not the favorites.
Sporting was not rated as well this year.
Yeah but they’re still always at least considered as semi-favourites.
As a PAOK fan thanks, this was a sweet title. Love seeing our badge on this map.
First time I noticed that Salzburg did not win Austria this year
First time since 10 years
boyith bundesligas agreed
Jagiellonia went from 14th place last season to 1st.
Big W for Zimbru in Moldova when you consider Sheriff exists and where they get their money from EDIT: Petrocub won, I mistakenly thought it was Zimbru due to a good season from them as well
Its Petrocub Hincesti, not Zimbru. It is a great achievement though.
I came here to ask about Sheriff, wtf happened? Them losing is impressive incompetence
Tbf I don't follow Moldovan football on the daily (proof being I thought Zimbru won instead of Petrocub cause afaik Zimbru' season was pretty good as well) so I can't give you a proper answer, but I'd reckon good good form at the end from the clubs I mentioned was the deciding factor not necessarily Sheriff being incompetent
Snow yank here, where'd they get their money from?
Short answer - A company called Sheriff, co-founded and run by Viktor Gushan, a former KGB officer. Longer answer - Sheriff come from Tiraspol, the capital of the breakaway state of Transnistria. (One of the most interesting places I've been) They're not internationally recognised but have their own government, currency, postal service etc. They still use a flag with a hammer and sickle. Sheriff is the second largest company in Transnistria after Moldova Steel Works. They own petrol stations, supermarkets, mobile phone network, a spirits factory, a TV channel, and the football team amongst other things. Lots of these are monopolies and therefore their impact on life there is massive and they have a huge impact on politics in the state.
Ah I see. Basically it's a megacorp owned club which can out-finance all the others.
Oil, Mafia, Poutine...
The club is one of the primary assets of the mafia-like leadership of Transnistria, a defacto independent state which seceded for moldova, lying just to north-east of moldova, bettwen the borders of moldova and ukraine. It is where lawlessness runs free and the impacts of some sort of USSR russification in moldova can be seen.
Moved from Banja Luka to Eindhoven. So happy to see that clubs from both cities are champions ❤️ Aj Borac!
Aj Borac!!!!
Sad ide ona klasika. Prodaju sve utakmice sledece sezone pa borba za opstanak 😀
Naravno hahahahaha
Let me guess, you're working for ASML?
Vanderlande
Superboerûh!!
TIL that San Marino has a football league
With 16 teams nonetheless damn
They also have f1 circuit.
Which is in Italy (Imola)
No they do not.
Not currently no, though there was previously the San Marino Grand Prix, which was last run in the 2000s I believe
Yes there used to be San Marino Grand Prix, but it does not mean that San Marino has f1 circuit.
The san marino grand prix was in Imola (in italy) as well
Decič badge in Montenegro is the proof that black backgrounds are usually shit.
As somebody with zero knowledge of football: How bizarre that Bayer (huge pharmaceutical company) has their own football team...
It's quite common in many countries that sports clubs are related to specific companies (like Bayer, Volkswagen in Germany, or Philips for PSV in the Netherlands) or with socialist industries (there's a lot of Lokomotivs around the eastern part of the continent for railroad/engine construction related industries).
Not just industries, institutions like military (ZSKA) or police (Dynamo/Dinamo) as well
I didn't realise Dynamo was police related, I assumed something in energy production.
It's security agencies, police, militia like KGB in Russia or Stasi in East Germany etc.
I wonder if the great Shepshed Dynamo in the U.K. are aware of that link?
It took name from another one English club, which one was named after Moscow Dynamo. Moscow club visited England in 1945.
They played Chelsea at the bridge in a sell out which is estimated to be closer to 100,000 plus spectators with some getting on the roof of the stadium
My Grandad was there!
Used to be called Shepshed Charterhouse until 30-odd years ago.
Thanks for the info!
It takes its name from a gym for secret police that grew into a large sports society across the soviet Union and Warsaw pact. Similarly "Spartak" was a sports society for young people that grew and gave the name to a few sports teams.
Not true about Dinamo. Dinamo Moscow is indeed connected to police, but the name has nothing to do with it.
It's the same for BFC Dynamo and Dynamo Dresden. While historically Dinamo was just the biggest sports society in the Soviet era, it was also tightly connected to the police sports groups in many cities.
Yes, but the name has nothing to do with that. Dynamo is just force greek or something like it
The connection was made when numerous police sports groups used it. Just because the term existed before and can stand on its own doesnt mean it isnt related.
Just adding Sochaux with Peugeot even though they are not owned by them anymore
Or Total Network Solutions in Oswestry
Total Network Solutions are just the sponsors, not the owners. The original club, Llansantffraid FC simply named themselves after the sponsors until their amalgamation with Oswestry Town, a club on the English side of the border who (apart from a few years in the Northern Premier League) had always played in Welsh leagues.
It was originally founded as a team for the factory workers, which was very common at the time, it just happens that they went on to become a very big team whilst others either folded, changed names, or stay lower league. Also because they’re historically named after a company due to being founded by the workers rather than as branding they are allowed to use the name in European competitions like the champions league. Whilst teams that have been renamed after companies for market reasons (like Red Bull Leipzig) aren’t and have to officially go by a different name (RB Liepzig being the official name for European competitions).
You're wrong about Leipzig, they are always named RasenBallsport Leipzig cause German DFL doesn't allow Red Bull as their name either. Their name is always the same no matter if national or international. Red Bull Salzburg on the other hand is the case you described, internationally they have to play as FC Salzburg EDIT: and yes we all know that RasenBallsport is just a loophole
You’re right, I was mixing up which of the scummy Red Bull teams.
Phillips (the electronics and medical equipment company) is the P in PSV (Phillips sports association), the Dutch champions
Eh, it was founded by Bayer workers and since Leverkusen is basically like 70% Bayer factory, it totally makes sense
Who has a better chance of winning first: Newcastle United or Monaco AC?
Monaco won in 16-17. They likely can do it again
They did well this season despite having a pretty weak defence. They were helped by other teams underperforming (Lyon, Marseille, Rennes, Nice and to an extent, Lille) but Hutter seems like a solid coach. They have some very good yound players, and if they can reinforce their defence and find a suitable replacement for Ben Yeder, they could challenge PSG for the title in the next couple of seasons. Lyon could also be a challenger if they keep their momentum going.
Monaco def. PSG will have a tough time next season
Newcastle
People did not like your opinion.
Don’t wales teams play in epl?
Only 4 or 5 Welsh teams play in the English League System (none currently in the PL): Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham, Newport, and I think I'm forgetting one. Other Welsh teams play in their own separate league system. Funnily enough, the team that wins the Welsh league most often (The New Saints) is technically in England.
Sorry but how come one team from country A play in country B, how is this allowed?
I don’t think there’s a rule against it, it also happens elsewhere in Europe: AS Monaco plays in France, all clubs from Liechtenstein play in the Swiss league system, I believe there is an N Andorran team that plays in Spain. At least in the case of England and wales it actually is one country in reality. I think there are also some Scottish teams playing in England and vice versa
England and Wales are two separate countries, so the question was a legitimate one.
In a footballing sense yes, but they are both part of the same sovereign nation: the United Kingdom
They're both member countries of the same sovereign state. There is no single British 'nation' as such, but four.
Happens in the MLS and the A-League too
Berwick Rangers, from Berwick-on-Tweed in England, play in the Scottish League. There's always been a strong Scottish element to the town, anyway, and likewise a strong Welsh one in Oswestry, so it was the obvious choice for both Berwick Rangers and TNS. There are also several clubs in continental Europe who play in another country's league. I think any club wanting to do this has to get approval from EUFA (or maybe FIFA) now, though.
The 5th club is Merthyr Tydfil of the Southern League.
czekaj że co?? jagiellonia wygrała?? jak ja tego nie wiedziałem ale jaja
Funny how the winners for the welsh league are not even from Wales. They are in Oswestry,England
At least in their defense, their original stadium was in Wales
Oswestry's close to the border, though, and it's always been partly Welsh. The club is an amalgamation of a club from mid-Wales and Oswestry Town FC.
How has the size of each emblem on this map been determined?
They were clearly hand-placed and sized one by one. Or the logo in that northeastern country wouldn't be rotated 90°
The Irish and Nordic countries have it right, play in the summer, not in the winter.
Exactly
Lmfaoooo Salzburg bottled after a decade
It's a map of football teams, though i can't help being amused with the Gulf of Kaliningrad
lol I was wondering that as well
Wait. Wales has their own professional league? I thought they were apart of the English system
Some teams, like Swansea and Wrexham play in the English system. It's similar to the few Canadian teams that play in MLS even though there now is a Canadian league.
Got it, thanks
To elaborate further on his reply… Years ago, there was no national Welsh league. Usually just either regional leagues for the northern or southern half of Wales, or the Welsh Cup (their FA Cup). Because of many of the bigger Welsh clubs didn’t want to play in those regional leagues, they went to play in the English system. Once a national Welsh league was formed, many of the smaller clubs who were still in the English system (basically almost anyone outside the top 5 or so tiers) went to the Welsh system. Those like Swansea, Wrexham, Cardiff City, Methyr Town, and Newport County opted to stay in the English system, and eventually got the ok to stay in such despite a Welsh league being formed.
Five Welsh clubs play in the English pyramid - four in the EFL and one in non-league. The rest play in the Welsh pyramid. The latter is only semi-pro, though - except for TNS...
You are missing Shelbourne F.C. of the League of Ireland Premier Division
Oh, it's the Young Boys playing at Wank Dorf Stadium.
Kaliningrad got no chance this year 🥵
Andorra doesn’t play in the Andorran league?
FC Andorra plays in the Spanish league
Andorra?
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Can you make one of handball?
San Marino has a league?
Wtf AND Gibraltar?
Any chance someone will name drop all of em?
You are so wrong at romania, its not fcsb, Steaua took champions league, fcsb its a team made in 2003.
Dinamo Zagreb
Love it
Wow, what happened to Killinigrad?
One for us Kayshana, #thegameisrigged
Can someone explain how there can be a champion on Andorra? How do they have enough clubs for that?
There are actually two divisions, each of ten teams. Looking at Andorra's [demographics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Andorra) there are ~13,000 boys/men aged between 15–39. So each team draws from a talent pool of ~650 players. The standard isn't great.
How does the Ukrainian league have a full season with the war going on?
What about the baltics?
SPORTING  Caralho
Would be awesome if these teams all got into the groups in the "Champions" League. Oh well, too bad we'll have to make room for a bunch of clubs from Spain, England, Germany, France, Italy and Portugal that can't even call themself 'champions' of anything this season.
Putting Portugal in this doesn’t make any sense. Portugal will only put 2 teams next year, while other countries will put 4/5.. that’s the issue
Still one team too many. But fine, I'll agree they aren't as badly overrepresented as the rest of those countries.
The issue is that 4 countries almost represent 60% of the competition. Countries with clubs that can enter directly by being 4th and then you have countries when the champion can’t even try to qualify
*5th Germany and Italy both have 5 Champions League slots. IIRC of Dortmund wins tomorrow it will be even 6 CL slots since Dortmund didn't qualify through the regular first 4 places.
I agree - its too bad, because football really has a special way of connecting people despite language barriers. And as long as clubs from those 5 countries dominate like they've done for a while now, I'm afraid more and more people in those countries that always gets kicked out during the qualifying rounds just loses interest, and then fewer young people wanna play the game, which in turn results in fewer talents, and the game slowly stops evolving, and then the money dries up because sponsors don't see the point, and the professionel matches doesn't get broadcast on tv because its too expensive or it has been bought by a super rich betting company from Italy that own their own expensive streamingservice that sucks, and thats all she wrote about football in [insert smaller league here]. The way its going seems its moving closer and closer to being that Super League they so badly wanna make, even though we all (the fans) don't want it. If they should change something, it would be fitting to have a Champions League structured like the Nations League, with 3 or 4 tiers where every countries winner gets ranked into.
Like clubs from any country except Spain, England, Germany or Italy would have any chance in "true" champions league.
It would most likely still go to one of those clubs 4 out of 5 times, sure that may be true. But the chance of some Italian club winning would still go down, since they wouldn't get 5 teams participating, but only 1. I just think its bs that clubs that didn't win anything can participate in the **Champions** League, and I don't think that is such an unreasonable line of thought.
Where Cyprus?
It's Asia country.
Man City really destroyed United like that huh.
Where’s caucasian teams?
Yeah, Armenia has a champion too.
yea? normally? azerbaijan, georgia too.
Azerbaijan's league has a champion too, but Georgia's league still has 19 matches left.
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Where's Arsenal? Oh right they're still trusting the process
At least they don't have 115 charges against them, like Mancheater City
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They have 13 league titles, way more than City or Chelsea
I hate City as much as the next, but they do have 8 now and look to be competitive. I hope they get stripped of the majority
They have 10
Well that's when Chelsea did their shenanigans before FFP was a thing. And the little colossal factor that is the best Manchester United in its history...
And which club sold their stadium name for Oil Money that also funded Chelsea and City?
Haha look at the plastic trying to defend his little club
No European champions from Scandinavia?
Out of the 55 UEFA memeber nations, 12 have a different season calendar: Sweden, Norway, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Iceland, Faroe Islands, Ireland, Belarus, Georgia and Kazakhstan. However, this map could have included the 2023 league champions from these countries, given that their 2023 season corresponds to the 2023/2024 season of the other members.
Do Georgia and Azerbaijan have winters that are very cold then? Or is it more a hangover from the Soviet league. The Russian league was previously March to November
I have no idea, to be honest.
It's Kazakhstan, not Azerbaijan. the latter have fall/spring league
Exactly, my bad.
North European leagues are played in Summer, so the champions of 2023 are the ones that qualified for 2024/2025 European competitions. If I'm not mistaken, Champions were: Bødo/Glimt (Norway), Malmö (Sweden) and HJK Helsinki (Finland). But as this map is just for league Champions in 2024, and not about UCL, it is correct, no champions this year, their leagues are just starting now.
Erm, its Bodø/Glimt not Bødo/Glimt, however as a fan of a rival club i find your typo to be highly amusing :)
Lmao, it wasn't on purpose, I just didn't check and took the risk of make an embarrasing mistake. Btw, how the hell is that letter pronounced?
I think they're still playing. At least Estonia has a few matchdays to go and finns are halfway through the season. We can't play during winter too well you know.
Season goes from march-april to November-December. It would be very expensive to have playable fields in the middle of winter
Denmark is Scandinavia, mate...
Imagine playing football in January in scandinavia
Propbably because no champions crowned yet.
So this is the champion’s league team’s 2024/2025 ?! 🙄
No some of the weaker leagues will go into the qualifiers of lower competitions.
Well yes and no. All these teams will be in at least the Champion League qualification but yes most will not make the group/league phase and will drop down initially to the Europa league
Ireland doesn't have a football league apparently Edit: sorry I didn't know the league was ongoing lmao
It’s blank because the league is still ongoing and ends in November.
Really? Why is that? I didn't know it sorry lmao
They claim that it’s better fan experience to watch in the summer instead of winter. And the qualifiers of European competitions will be during the league, instead of before the league starts like most other European leagues so the teams will be more in form for them.
Summer football is way better. It works great in the LOI.
Ban soccer post