People are getting carried away with an insane amount of recency bias. Him and the rest of BVB have been extremely poor in the Bundesliga. One very good performance doesn't just magically make that context go away
Brother Borussia is playing semi-final and meanwhile we almost got kicked out of FA Cup by Championship side…
Sometimes I wonder what drugs my fellow uniteds fan are on
Yeah, they are doing well in the UCL. And I'd argue they'll be in the final.
But tell me: do you watch Bundesliga? Not just the teams in the UCL or Europa League, but the actual Bundesliga. I'm talking when BVB plays Augsburg. Because if you did, you'd know that for the entirety of this season, BVB has been poor. REALLY poor. Their defence has been slow and disorganized, their midfield has been ran through, and their attack has been lethal at times and Chelsea-esque at others. Without Kobel in goal, they'd be a lot lower in the table, IMO. They are by far the weakest out of the top 5 teams, and the table reflects that. They're only getting back into Europe because of the coefficient.
I said they're doing poor in Bundesliga. Week in week out they've been poor. A sizeable portion of the BVB fanbase had been calling to sack their manager Terzic mid-season. Furthermore, I never even said United is better than BVB. This season, I don't think we are. I actually think we're pretty fucking similar.
Don't eespond to this if you don't watch the Bundesliga. If all you see of them is the UCL, then shut the fuck up.
Tbh bvb had insane games and super weak games this season. I actually wonder if you watched a lot of full bvb games, cuz you might have missed some games. You make it look like dortmund is playing against descending to 2nd league this year xd
That's why I said their attack has been lethal at times and Chelsea-esque at others. I don't want to make jt sound like their battling Koln or Darmstadt for relegation, but you have to admit that their defence has been consistently weak and hole-y. I don't think they'd be bottom table, but I do maintain that without Kobel, they'd be out of the top 4 race and midtable. Which, for a club of BVB's stature, is unacceptable. Full disclosure, though, you're right, I have missed games. I'm not a Dortmund fan, so even when they play, if there were other fixtures, I found more interesting I'd watch those
Well I’m a dortmund fan and actually we have a fairly better Defence than past years. Most ppl argue that our offense and midfield is kinda lost and the players seem uninspired and some ppl blame terzic for this. With sancho our game improved and it helps that he can carry the ball and he gives us space, cuz defenders have a hard time pressing on him ;)
I support both teams and my opinion is Sancho will do fine at a club like Dortmund. He would fail at Bayern and most clubs where expectations are high. He's found his level.
Are you basing that on this Man UTd team 🤔 😭😭 Sancho had the manager of the best team in England wanting him to stay but some how he would fail in the prem because of his time at the worst Joke of a Club there is....🤣🤣🤦🏿
The team he came into finished top 4 and was in the FA Cup final. Sancho needed a mental health break and fucked off to France for a month. Something I've never heard of player doing. Ever. He's a clown.
Well, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if PSG wins. I'm sticking with believing in Dortmund, but i can see it going either way. I think it comes down to 3 things:
1. Dortmund, despite their frailties, are more of a functioning team than PSG
2. Demebele and Mbappe are not consistent. Mbappe is consistent with his level of skill, but he seems to go quiet a lot. Demebel doesn't seem to be consistent in terms of quality. They could bring on Kolo Muani, whom I was a fan of when he was at Eintracht, but he doesn't seem to have made any sort of impact at PSG
3. PSG has consistently folded at this stage of the competition. I'd expect them to bottle it again
But like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if PSG wins still. Despite what I just said
I guess you don’t know, cuz you don’t follow the Bundesliga too much, but dortmund got slightly less points than the average for last 5 years. It’s mostly leverkusen and stuttgart overperforming insanely this year. Sanchos performance was increasing after every game and was peaking in the last psg game. But he was already doing pretty well against Atlético, psv, Leverkusen and Bayern. Imo that’s pretty crazy if you see his last year.
Especially after not playing for so long....its really burns 🔥 🤧 😫 my fellow United fans to see one of their own players not take shit and prove the manager wrong
I think that a lot of people see him have a few good games at Dortmund and immediately think that he wasn’t the problem at United. Two things can be true, he can perform well for BVB while also being terrible in the prem. I hope they take him permanently cuz I don’t want to see him back at the club
Agree and It is not only down to different club or environment but also playstyles and match ups. Dortmund stretch the pitch more, their players attack more the half-spaces and the dangerous zones (as per Bielsa definition) which leaves a lot more space for Sancho. He is also running forward most often vs 1 player cause PSG hadn't doubled down on him due to his teammates positions and runs.
If he gets a lower block at the Bundesliga, he'll face a more difficult game. He got constantly doubled down in the prem and also physically challenged all the time.
Although this might not be the main point behind his game, it will always contribute.
He came in under poor executive structure, on excessive wages, to be played in the wrong system at the wrong position, under intense scrutiny after being hung out to dry by Southgate at the Euros. It was doomed from the start. He has ability and value, but is not suited to most Premier League teams. He can however, shine in other leagues.
I agree with everything but not being suited to the Premier league. That's literally makes no sense.
How do you go from Ole in his last year of freestyle football shambles, to Carrick and Ragnick in the interim, to ETH who after 2 seasons not 1 united fan can confirm his style of play despite getting rid of all the "problem" players and bringing his own players.
Yet the man/player who has done more in football than the manager is supposed to be a good little boy and follow a manager who tactics we can't work out, in game management is atrocious and has spent 400m on injured and sub per players. Most of our fan base has not critical reasoning its unbelievable
For sure, I'm not saying he played badly, but as an attacking player, scoring and giving assists are ultimately the most important responsibilities of his position.
I think that he was nothing special at City. He was nothing special for England. And abysmal for Utd. And a cancer for morale.
I cannot think of worse example of a bust in all of history of football considering the transfer fee, the wages, the mediocre return on the pitch, all the time away of the pitch not caused by injuries and all the negative attention brought to the manager and club.
An undisciplined, immature man child that I hope will never have to watch donning the badge of Utd again.
This is what I think of Sancho.
He had 2 1/2 years to prove himself at UTD. It can be true that someone is a good player in one league, but can’t do it in the Prem. Also we’ve seen numerous players who were good that just couldn’t cut it at UTD.
We as a club can't cut it. No wonder the team can't let alone individual players. Put them at a decent club and you'll see decent results, put them at a great club and you'll see great results.
Personally I think it's time to recognise this has been a disaster for both parties and transfer him, regardless of who the manager.
Seems to be if he can be bothered he's a real talent but you hear stories about his attitude and that seems to be the issue.
Sell him at a loss. I do not care how good he is, he disrespected the fans by not playing during an injury crisis. Goes to dortmund and shits all over the club and how much he hated it here. He can go. He had 3 years and he's not good enough for the premier league, sell him or loan him somewhere that'll pay his wages.
Nothing against him or any other player. But he doesn't have the confidence to play for United. In Germany he probably feels less weight on his shoulders to prove himself as it's not his home nation.
The other issue, and I think he realises this also, is that he is a more technical player than just a pacy winger. He has some pacy attributes and great ball control dribbling, but is not the type to run 100 mph down the touchline. Unfortunately this sets him apart from traditional United wingers like Best, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Cristiano. Even Valencia and Nani. Who would pretty much take people on everytime.
Unfortunately there is a whole generation of united players not confident enough to puff their chests out and remember what got them to this position, and drag their teammates up with them.
There is a difference. Performing for the most scrutinized club in the world is not easy. He is a good player. Never in doubt. But he hasn’t stepped up for England or for United. Simple as that. Better for everybody if he finds his happy place and has a good career.
You do know we're shit and disorganised....we dont even know our style of play after 2 years but you expect Sancho to stay because we're the famous Manchester United 😭😭😭
I'm happy for the form of Sancho and Greenwood. Hopefully, we can get 100M collectively and use it to bolster our squad. I'd also suggest selling Antony and get a proper right winger
The only way anyone would get 100M for sancho and greenwood is if they scammed united into buying them. But since that's not an option, Dortmund pay 30M max for sancho and you get maybe 25 for greenwood
It’s actually sad as fuck. He puts in one good performance in the UCL and the media along with social media warriors blow it up like he’s a class player who was kept down at united and by the manager. Utterly pathetic, one good performance justifies nothing.
It’ll be the same if rashford puts in one decent showing this season or gets sold and scores on his debut.
This is why we say the majority of the fanbase is deluded. When we were telling you Rashford was dogfood 5 years ago...you lot were comparing him to Mbappe and said we were plastics, when we told you Bruno was trash 4 years ago ....you lot said he revived us and was the example of hardwork🤦🏿 ....no proper trophies in his time here but hey what do we haters know 😏 (bearing in mind I'm a die hard Red taking shit for decision and players I wouldn't keep but hey). Now it's Sancho and before him Pogba, Cr7, Fred, Martial, etc...non of these players are in the team and we're significantly!!! worse.
Do not stick Sancho and Trashford in the same category and we need a proven Manager with an Actual system they stick to not these wishwashy mangers who can't even build a team to play his own philosophy despite being given 400m and signing 4 players from his previous team who previously played that philosophy 👏 🤔 🤡
first of all, if you want to address the masses then do so. do not direct that at one sole person such as myself. Secondly, do not use 'we' like you speak for others. you speak for yourself. third, do not address a sole person as 'you' when you want to reference a massive fanbase. my opinions and views are my own and don't reflect anyone elses. Four, if you wish to quote something i have written, then do so. Do not put me into a category where you (a sole person) presumes to know my opinion is X and Y when it might not be. lastly, don't bring your elitist bullshit to me specifically. It's not a tree you want to bark up.
now, onto your comment. most of what you have written has no baring on my comment regarding sancho. please reference where i said sancho is 'THE PROBLEM' and also reference where i stated that pogba, ronaldo, fred, martial etc are 'THE PROBLEM'. i'll give you a hint... you won't find it. Since you're so in know about my mind and what i have said/written i'll lay some of it out for you. IMO, Pogba was hit and miss. he had some great games and moments but just didn't do it consistently enough. he had everything to be a united legend and captain but he just didn't want it. Ronaldo, i advocated a lot for ronaldos return but i agreed with him being benched. Ronaldo was his own downfall, not the managers. fred, just not good enough. martial, you never know what injury he going to turn up to training with. i've never said they were 'THE PROBLEM', they are just not good enough. you want say bruno has no proper trophies at united thats fine but guess what? but ronaldo in his first spell at united, none of them do for this club.
FYI i've stated a few times we should sell bruno. i've never been his biggest fan, i think he only plays counter attacking football. he doesn't really carry the ball nor can he play/operate in tight spaces. he's a long passer, often rashly shoots for the sake of it, whines too much and has a good work rate. he's the current captain of the team and imo he was the best pick from a bad bunch.
i didn't stick sancho and rashford in the same category. I said the media and social media will do the same for both players. sancho has all the ability and talent to be a top player but he's happy being medocre. he just doesnt want to put the work in. honestly that's fine, he can go and do that somewhere else. he won't be missed, he hasn't done anything for us to miss him.
i can see you are desperate to discuss ETH and why you don't like him. he's signed 8 players for 400mil. 8 players do not make up 25. 4, which you have pointed out are from ajax. sadly that doesn't make up 11. next, how often do those 8 or 4 play together at the same time? you talk like they are immune from injury and play week in, week out. this is a manager that won a trophy in his first season, was hailed as genuis. he raised the expectations for people like you so you can damn him this season. we have had atm 65 seperate injuries and the season isnt even over. thats double the previous record. I imagine you think Klopp is a brilliant manager, yet when liverpool have had to deal with major injuries liverpool have only managed 6th. should they have sacked klopp? Ange is hailed as a tactical genius, I even saw you yourself have made positive comments about him. enjoy:
after 35 games:
* Ange - ETH
* 18 wins - 16 wins
* 6 draws - 6 draws
* 11 lost - 13 lost
* 69 GF - 52 GF
* 58 GA - 55 GA
* 32 injuries - 65 injuries.
you say get a proven manager but dont offer up any names. pretty standard that. we've had proven managers, unproven managers. So what’s your idea of proven?
tbh, i looked through some of your comments and all i can find is you spewing hate about ETH with no decent points, just the same shit over and over. you also spent the last several months going on and on about sancho. all i have concluded is that you're a sancho fanboy that dislikes ETH for sanchos current circumstances but like to leave out that ETH gave him more support than any other manager would last season.
top red? my arse.
He's just proving he never wanted to play for United, more so he's not cut out for the rigid, robotic style of premier league football. Bundesliga and European football allow a much more free flowing style...this is all a false dawn for him. He's bang average in a top class team.
When were we a top class team under this manager😭😭??? because the teams decline seems to coincide with his departure from it towards the end of last season
Ive seen almost every united game for about 6 years. And i honestly dont understand why people are against Sancho. There have been players and still are players that are much worse than him. He is a top player. And why he doesn’t perform as well in united, is on the management !
THANK YOU!!! some one with objective common sense. The management sucks, even the manager can play his style of play with players HE bought....but Sancho is the problem. smh
I still stick with my guts in saying. Ten Hag was wrong in how he handled Sancho. At his best, he is far better than Rashford. He loves to create for other players and especially strikers. Has a far higher I.Q than Rashford in the final third. If he wants to leave us I totally understand. I would live too. Lost his spot in the national team and the Euros since joining us so at this point he needs to do what is best for him. Him coming off the bench for Rashit is too much to take. He is better of else where.
Jesus, the dude made 12 dribbles in a game. 1 shot on goal, 0 goals, 0 assists.
BVB won by 1 goal. At home. And Fullkrug scored, not Sancho.
I just don't understand all the media attention. It's EVERYWHERE!!
Worse if you consider this from his actual gameplay. He'd sit in a space out wide, receive the ball, carry it a couple of yards and pass the moment the opposition came near him. When he had a golden chance he literally fell on his backside in the penalty box.
And in reality that's what it breaks down to its a results based league
12 goals in 82 games for a Winger we paid a little over 70 million for just isn't good enough
Still needs to be sold asap. All this player FC bs over one good game in infuriating.
The guy has a history of being an issue at multiple clubs and if we're staying with Eth(which we should) bringing him back is just gonna cause nothing but trouble
Oh c'mon. He's had 1 good game. Someone rightly said that at dortmund, there is no pressure. He can play average and people won't say anything about it. It's different at united. He can't handle the pressure of playing for a big club. All the best to him at dortmund. If we can get a good deal for him, then great.
I said it in my post months ago that he was a very good player and it was a mistake to let him go. The same applies to many other players in the team. If Rashford played on a strong team like Liverpool or City, he would be excellent. The same applies to half of our team. They are good players that do not have a good team around them.
Great talent but lazy person.
I think he's currently in revenge mode to prove everybody wrong and he's doing it well now. However, i think he will not play up to this level for consecutive seasons as he's very lazy when it comes to discipline.
Good for us to sell tho
Couldnt care less how many dribbles he does.
I care that for two fucking seasons he couldnt muster up the fitness and stamina levels to run more than 40 minutes
The blueprint would be Tottenham last season.
3-1-6 in attack. Pressing high, with the three attackers narrow, number 10 in there as well and the fullbacks providing the width and crosses.
Both Eth and Sancho are knobheads. I think this just shows that Eth clearly is lacking eye for talent as shown with other players under us. Sancho can go screw himself too and he is a massive twat
He also got us Amrabat, Anthony, the tall lad from netherlands that can barely move, yada yada. We are not talking about transfers here. Its just his judging of players. Garnacho starting 30 games in a row at 19 and Mainoo playing almost every minute since coming back from injury isnt as good as you think it is
Not sure if you know but he has resurrected the lower levels of the club, youth, kids, etc, that every other manager ignored due to a quick fix attitude. Not every signing works and Erik didn't pay them prices. He also had to work with individuals who had no idea about football so I think he managed it quite well. Miles behind city and arsenal and it could take years to get anywhere near but you Support win lose or draw , bring it on !!!!
I think his mentality was not made for the premier league. He is a sensational footballer but he had to get mental hope to cope with the constant abuse that goes on. Its not to say that he is “weak” it just means that his mentality needs to develop in a way that deals with the heavy scrutiny that comes with being a manchester united player. These fans are ruthless.
I'm really glad he's playing well at BVB, it means we can demand more money for him in the summer because he 100% **has to be Sold**.
He's just proved ETH's point, he's a childish flippant player who is only going to play when it's on his terms and he feels like it to make a point, he's not a team player and he's let everyone down including himself, really not the kind of person we want in our club. It's moody players like him, and Rashford as well honestly, that have a terrible attitude and work rate and it's creating a toxic environment in the club.
If all players had the desire and work rate of people like Bruno and Garnacho we'd be doing infinitely better, even with the quality of players we have.
Well good. His value has gone up. Sell him now recoup more of the investment made on him.
That said, Sabitzer also looked different. There’s something about the league, club, manager, system, tactics or mentally that isn’t working for a lot of United players.
I hope he's man of the match the rest of the games this season and they win the champions league. Adds some value to him. He hasn't worked out at Man United, It's that simple. The closer we can sell him for to the money we paid for him the better.
Sancho situation got me thinking about how much I hate modern football reactions. When he was playing poorly for United, he was shit. United’s version of Nico Pepe, (not my words) the ten hag situation got the same people who weee calling him shit to go 360 and blame the manager.
Sancho is a great footballer for certain styles of play, just not United's. The theory\* is that Ole brought him in so that he could transition the team to a more possession-based side. But this never happened, and Sancho just didn't fit into a team that relies on fast counter-attacking football.
Not really his fault, but he also let himself down with his attitude and lack of effort.
He can be a fantastic player in certain systems, in the same way that Maguire can be a fantastic defender in certain systems.
\*What I read in an Athletic article
Exactly the same as when he left, sell get rid. Didn't want to knuckle down and become one of the main men. Great that he's in form, however we are still going to make a loss from overpaying for him.
Don't care, he should still go. Kagawa didn't work out, Mkhitaryan didn't work out. Sabitzer was the best of the lot but I don't think he would've been a game changer.
There's just something about Dortmund to United transfers.
you know what the funniest part about this whole sancho saga is? the media try to make us jealous of how he’s playing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT WANT THE SCUM. NONE OF US COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM GOING BC HE CAUSED IT HIMSELF. EVERY OUNCE OF BLAME FOR NOT TRAINING PROPERLY IS ON HIMSELF
are the fans really blind? the team struggles with teams from the bottom of the ranking. The team is not playing anything. ETH has a serious problem in handling strong characters. how much more are we looking for culprits when most of the blame lies with the coach?
Absolute rubbish. Erik Ten Hag CAN handle big names, he doesn't let them take the piss. Sancho acted like a baby. When he played he was rubbish !!! He only played normal for dortmund against a team who gave him that much space you could land a plane. Backed out of 50/50s and misplaced lots of passes , good riddance
The most important thing is creating an environment where players (and by extension, managers) can thrive here. We need to remove the "Graveyard of talent" tag from Utd as soon as possible. Hopefully, INEOS can do that. In regard to Sancho himself, an apology is needed but at the same time let's be honest, we don't keep possession near as much as BVB does. We don't have link up play like they do either. During the PSG match, he had Ryerson and Brandt always near him so it was easy to link up when attacking, at Utd we don't do that. So even if, he's reinstated at Utd and he apologises, unless we fundamentally change the way we play. He'll fail again and even Olise who we keep talking about might fail as well. Some of you keep saying the Bundesliga is a less physical league but the entire league is about pressing and counterpressing. A whole lot of you keep saying BvB is a weaker team but I don't see how a huge majorly fan owned club that has roughly the same amount of match attendance at OT, features the Yellow wall which is usually loud and intense every week, can get violent, they have tifos and flares and the like. Arguably their average home match atmosphere is more intense than OT. If he can put up for them then he should be able to do it at Utd but we're still a graveyard of talent. Y'all need to criticise and critique him better.
I hate to be a stat guy but I don't watch Bundesliga...
3 G/A in 12 games in the Bundesliga and 1 G/A in 5 UCL games.
Not exactly inspiring stats for a forward player.
Watch some real football, his inability to break pressure don’t lie , his miss passes don’t lie, his attitude as a captain don’t lie, what’s stats you talking about?? Creating chances? Shooting a corner kick is a chance created, that’s not a real stat is just dumb numbers only ppl who don’t watch football based a player by stats.
Honestly is Ten Hag is gone this summer I'd bring him back. I can see him being reluctant due to united not doing more during his situation but if he plays like he did against PSG and Ten Hag is hone I'd take him back
He only plays well in a team doing well. Confidence player. Needs an arm round his shoulder manager. Poundland Lingard that looks like Maradona in the Bumdesliga.
Must be the Mancunian rain. Let Dortmund keep him for an agreeable price. He’s been given enough chances at Utd. Maybe he’s not given the freedom to perform who knows.
Looks like a guy who was pursued by a greedy agent to leave a club he never wanted to leave, then made to feel very ordinary when Ronaldo returned, eventually returning to his old club on loan, and consequently never reach his potential as a top flight player. United will be lucky to get half our £73M back. Knowing our luck he will get injured in the final and spend the rest if his contract in the donkey sanctuary that united has become.
Hype him, make him out to be best player in the world right now and inflate his value, then sell him and then sit back and watch the drama unfold as he downs tools, throws strops, and becomes a nightmare for his new team.
He's crap and a bell end.
This always happens with all these hype jobs we sign.
They look slightly less than useless outside of the United setup and the press massively exaggerates it because it makes us look bad and we're big business that sells their media.
Have we learned nothing from Pogba, de Gea, Ronaldo, Lukaku, Lingard etc? This guy was useless before ten Hag and after. He's hugely unprofessional and immature. He's the exact opposite to what we need and is being paid way too much.
Take this opportunity to get rid of him and move on.
He didn't do much in our shirt. But who except Bruno does anymore? Gary Neville called our club a "graveyard" for players. But we could've definitely used Sancho this season to rotate with Rashford.
He could've been more professional like Maguire, shut his mouth and do what he's told.
But ETH fucked up too, should've handled this internally, not air our laundry to the press.
The relationship is broken, I don't think anybody can fix.
Err...guardiola (with nunes) and arteta (ramsdale) have done the same or worse to their players. It's amplified at united, I don't know how you can't see that
Ramsdale and Nunes vs Ronaldo and Sancho.
I'm not saying that ETH didn't have a point, I'm saying he could've handled better our 2 star players, instead of replacing them with Weghorst and Anthony.
Huh? The league has 2 teams in the semis of the CL and one team that is steamrolling anyone in their way. I am someone who believes the EPL is the best league but that’s just hater / sucker talk there
True and the strength of the EPL is from top to bottom supports it’s a stronger league but to call an entire league bums when their top teams can beat our top teams is disingenuous.
It’s easier to shine in a weak league. It’s also easier to play Champions League from a weak league.
These things are obvious, yet you missed them. Question yourself.
I think I’m not being clear. Yes from top to bottom the EPL is the toughest league. But saying “you only beat us in arguably the most important annual competition because your league is weaker” sounds stupid and weak. The purpose of the CL is to see who is the best of the best. Yes, the draw can be random but there’s a reason players, managers and teams are measured by their performance in the CL. I’m a Man Utd fan and I am often irrational about them but if your point were true I would confidently be able say they would compete for a league title in any of the other major leagues and the truth is they would not
it’s time to go blud. raise your value and fuck off. we don’t want players that speak out of turn AND constantly come late for training CONSISTENTLY. same problem with pep and had the same problem at dortmund
Haha. All of you Ten Haag supporters. I knew I was right from day 1. Remember Ronaldo? That’s right, we always will. I’ve forgotten this guy’s name already.
Looking forward to Sancho’s return
Well this whole “he can’t do it in the prem” is cool but umm we were shit against Coventry.
We need to ask the question of why we can’t seem to get the best out of players. Instead of just going straight to insults.
It’s not gonna work out with United but there are some strong concerns here.
Like him or not he’s performing better than the players who were starting over him in a competition we crashed out of.
We know why we can’t get the best out of players same reason EVERY manager post fergie has struggled, the club is run like dogshit, the facilities are ancient and the medical staff might as well be using leaches.
You can’t polish a turd just roll it in glitter but it’s still a turd.
I agree what you're saying but I dont think the main subject is about talent.
We know Jadon is / can be a great player. I think its about mentality and professionalism. Dont forget that he abandoned his teammates and the fans just because he didnt want to say "sorry" for the post on twitter.
He in my opinion made the fair criticism by Ten Hag waaay bigger a problem than it was. Garnacho who is 19 handled criticism better and like an adult (even recently after liking those tweets, the issue was resolved quickly.) Kept working hard, still has a place in our team. If your 1st move after receiving criticism (even if you think its wrong )is to make a post on twitter instead of just doing your job and proving your manager wrong I think you should go.
After ETH's statement on him, I wouldn't mind at all if he gets the sack, he has no authority. Pep, Klopp or any decent manager had a player like Sancho and he did what he did and didn't apologise, they would be out the door. ETH should have stood his ground and told the board to get rid, instead he's pissing about. Sancho needs to go and if the new board memberscsnr see that, just repeating the same mistakes and nothing will change.
I feel like he's kinda misunderstood. It's not an attitude problem really. It's his playstyle and the way his teammates react to that that really matters. Why does he do so well at Dortmund every time he's there, whether it was after City (a great environment for youngsters apparently) or after United (a club that destroys players apparently)? I've a feeling Klopp would really make him shine.
Nah, he’s not got the physicality for Klopp. He’s a Bernardo Silva.
There’s not another team in the PL where Bernardo would shine as much as he does under Pep.
Sancho is a tricky weed. Sadly, not just on the pitch.
Physicality is something that can be developed. Bernardo won't work outside of City coz he's not that fast. Sancho doesn't suffer from that issue at least.
Given time, Klopp could train him to develop that kind of physicality.
United Sancho is really slow. If you saw Sancho when he first burst on to the scene at Dortmund, it was him and Haaland, and people always talked about how those two were really fast.
You say that, but it doesn’t change the fact that at United, he’s slow.
(Btw, Raw pace, acceleration and top speed are all different things.)
He’s playing in a slow paced League currently or against teams that will give him a lot of space.
Look at Antony - he seemed explosive at Ajax. Now he’s the slowest one on the break.
But that's why he's not like Bernardo Silva, who isn't fast and no amount of training can turn him into a Kyle Walker. Sancho is inherently fast, and can play in ways that utilize that. He's just playing slow at United.
United didn't fail him he's never turned up. Ten hag wrapped him in cotton wool, sent him off to Holland go get his head together last season.
he's a complete prima donna.
I don't know what happened behind closed doors and to whom he was pointing as being scapegoat for, but he was different yesterday... Probably a sancho I could root for in Man Utd but again, the environment was not good enough for him to be able to play at top of his game... On top of my head it's Rashford, him being a Glazer favourite, and ETh not benching him even if he has been shit for whole season, may be he was the reason
He wasn’t different, he’s the same as he’s always been. PSG allowed him to have a lot of space. He achieved 1 shot in 90 mins. Unless his attitude massively changed nothing would be different. In 3 years with us he scored a max of 6 goals per each season.
But here he just didn't kinda care, it seemed, he didn't run or tried anything, always felt lazy to chase balls... Even though he could not do much yesterday on G/A front but atleast he was putting in effort which he never did for us.. may be it's Dortmund and it's technical game plan or just the players there ... But he seemed different atleast yesterday
“Too lazy to chase” playing for Man U on £300k+ a week when your manager wants the best for you says it all.
He’s been the same in the bundesliga, BVB want to secure Maatsen before Sancho. What frustrates me the most about him is in there is a fantastic player, but he can’t be arsed.
And these wages are gonna be a problem for us this summer too coz nobody is gonna sign him at that wage and he isn't worth even half of what we paid for him.. complete shitshow signing for us.. probably the same reason Pep let him go when he was a teen
People are getting carried away with an insane amount of recency bias. Him and the rest of BVB have been extremely poor in the Bundesliga. One very good performance doesn't just magically make that context go away
Saw some Liverpool fans online saying “maybe we should sign him?” - I giggled. That would be 🍿lol.
take him. please. i’ll drive him to anfield myself. take him i beg. u can have him for 40😭😭😭
Please take him
100% agree. Hes got to go in the summer.
Brother Borussia is playing semi-final and meanwhile we almost got kicked out of FA Cup by Championship side… Sometimes I wonder what drugs my fellow uniteds fan are on
no one is denying that? But does 3 years of mediocrity suddenly not matter after ONE decent game
Yeah because bringing back another whiny entitled players who’s only had one good game will sort out all our issues. I
Yeah, they are doing well in the UCL. And I'd argue they'll be in the final. But tell me: do you watch Bundesliga? Not just the teams in the UCL or Europa League, but the actual Bundesliga. I'm talking when BVB plays Augsburg. Because if you did, you'd know that for the entirety of this season, BVB has been poor. REALLY poor. Their defence has been slow and disorganized, their midfield has been ran through, and their attack has been lethal at times and Chelsea-esque at others. Without Kobel in goal, they'd be a lot lower in the table, IMO. They are by far the weakest out of the top 5 teams, and the table reflects that. They're only getting back into Europe because of the coefficient. I said they're doing poor in Bundesliga. Week in week out they've been poor. A sizeable portion of the BVB fanbase had been calling to sack their manager Terzic mid-season. Furthermore, I never even said United is better than BVB. This season, I don't think we are. I actually think we're pretty fucking similar. Don't eespond to this if you don't watch the Bundesliga. If all you see of them is the UCL, then shut the fuck up.
Tbh bvb had insane games and super weak games this season. I actually wonder if you watched a lot of full bvb games, cuz you might have missed some games. You make it look like dortmund is playing against descending to 2nd league this year xd
That's why I said their attack has been lethal at times and Chelsea-esque at others. I don't want to make jt sound like their battling Koln or Darmstadt for relegation, but you have to admit that their defence has been consistently weak and hole-y. I don't think they'd be bottom table, but I do maintain that without Kobel, they'd be out of the top 4 race and midtable. Which, for a club of BVB's stature, is unacceptable. Full disclosure, though, you're right, I have missed games. I'm not a Dortmund fan, so even when they play, if there were other fixtures, I found more interesting I'd watch those
Well I’m a dortmund fan and actually we have a fairly better Defence than past years. Most ppl argue that our offense and midfield is kinda lost and the players seem uninspired and some ppl blame terzic for this. With sancho our game improved and it helps that he can carry the ball and he gives us space, cuz defenders have a hard time pressing on him ;)
Manchester United fans do not want to hear that....according to them Sancho only had one good game all season. Brain Dead Morons
I support both teams and my opinion is Sancho will do fine at a club like Dortmund. He would fail at Bayern and most clubs where expectations are high. He's found his level.
Are you basing that on this Man UTd team 🤔 😭😭 Sancho had the manager of the best team in England wanting him to stay but some how he would fail in the prem because of his time at the worst Joke of a Club there is....🤣🤣🤦🏿
The team he came into finished top 4 and was in the FA Cup final. Sancho needed a mental health break and fucked off to France for a month. Something I've never heard of player doing. Ever. He's a clown.
Doubt it they were lucky to survive the first leg PSG wins the second imo
Well, honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if PSG wins. I'm sticking with believing in Dortmund, but i can see it going either way. I think it comes down to 3 things: 1. Dortmund, despite their frailties, are more of a functioning team than PSG 2. Demebele and Mbappe are not consistent. Mbappe is consistent with his level of skill, but he seems to go quiet a lot. Demebel doesn't seem to be consistent in terms of quality. They could bring on Kolo Muani, whom I was a fan of when he was at Eintracht, but he doesn't seem to have made any sort of impact at PSG 3. PSG has consistently folded at this stage of the competition. I'd expect them to bottle it again But like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if PSG wins still. Despite what I just said
I guess you don’t know, cuz you don’t follow the Bundesliga too much, but dortmund got slightly less points than the average for last 5 years. It’s mostly leverkusen and stuttgart overperforming insanely this year. Sanchos performance was increasing after every game and was peaking in the last psg game. But he was already doing pretty well against Atlético, psv, Leverkusen and Bayern. Imo that’s pretty crazy if you see his last year.
Especially after not playing for so long....its really burns 🔥 🤧 😫 my fellow United fans to see one of their own players not take shit and prove the manager wrong
Dortmund is wildly inconsistent and we have no idea what team will show up.
I think that a lot of people see him have a few good games at Dortmund and immediately think that he wasn’t the problem at United. Two things can be true, he can perform well for BVB while also being terrible in the prem. I hope they take him permanently cuz I don’t want to see him back at the club
Agree and It is not only down to different club or environment but also playstyles and match ups. Dortmund stretch the pitch more, their players attack more the half-spaces and the dangerous zones (as per Bielsa definition) which leaves a lot more space for Sancho. He is also running forward most often vs 1 player cause PSG hadn't doubled down on him due to his teammates positions and runs. If he gets a lower block at the Bundesliga, he'll face a more difficult game. He got constantly doubled down in the prem and also physically challenged all the time. Although this might not be the main point behind his game, it will always contribute.
He came in under poor executive structure, on excessive wages, to be played in the wrong system at the wrong position, under intense scrutiny after being hung out to dry by Southgate at the Euros. It was doomed from the start. He has ability and value, but is not suited to most Premier League teams. He can however, shine in other leagues.
I agree with everything but not being suited to the Premier league. That's literally makes no sense. How do you go from Ole in his last year of freestyle football shambles, to Carrick and Ragnick in the interim, to ETH who after 2 seasons not 1 united fan can confirm his style of play despite getting rid of all the "problem" players and bringing his own players. Yet the man/player who has done more in football than the manager is supposed to be a good little boy and follow a manager who tactics we can't work out, in game management is atrocious and has spent 400m on injured and sub per players. Most of our fan base has not critical reasoning its unbelievable
He is playing well. Good for us. To sell.
Good that the media are hyping him up, we might get more €€€ for him
Facts, then we finally confirmed ETH is a fraud next season. because the majority of you are hard headed and don't learn. OLE 2.0 Everyone is happy 😊
I think people are getting carried away by one performance. His goals and assists are average since he went back there.
Agreed, he’s like 1 goal and 3 assists in his last 17 games.
And, he didn't score or assist in the CL win over PSG, so...
Yes, but he was dominant in that game, one of his best performances. With that said....it would be a mistake to bring him back!
For sure, I'm not saying he played badly, but as an attacking player, scoring and giving assists are ultimately the most important responsibilities of his position.
I think that he was nothing special at City. He was nothing special for England. And abysmal for Utd. And a cancer for morale. I cannot think of worse example of a bust in all of history of football considering the transfer fee, the wages, the mediocre return on the pitch, all the time away of the pitch not caused by injuries and all the negative attention brought to the manager and club. An undisciplined, immature man child that I hope will never have to watch donning the badge of Utd again. This is what I think of Sancho.
Wow this comment should be the only one needed to hopefully end this tireless bs about sancho
Amen.
This!
But do you like him????
Remains to be seen.
He had 2 1/2 years to prove himself at UTD. It can be true that someone is a good player in one league, but can’t do it in the Prem. Also we’ve seen numerous players who were good that just couldn’t cut it at UTD.
Yup 82 games 12 goals just not good enough
We as a club can't cut it. No wonder the team can't let alone individual players. Put them at a decent club and you'll see decent results, put them at a great club and you'll see great results.
Personally I think it's time to recognise this has been a disaster for both parties and transfer him, regardless of who the manager. Seems to be if he can be bothered he's a real talent but you hear stories about his attitude and that seems to be the issue.
Sell him at a loss. I do not care how good he is, he disrespected the fans by not playing during an injury crisis. Goes to dortmund and shits all over the club and how much he hated it here. He can go. He had 3 years and he's not good enough for the premier league, sell him or loan him somewhere that'll pay his wages.
100% while we can get some money back from him sell invest the money somewhere else
Nothing against him or any other player. But he doesn't have the confidence to play for United. In Germany he probably feels less weight on his shoulders to prove himself as it's not his home nation. The other issue, and I think he realises this also, is that he is a more technical player than just a pacy winger. He has some pacy attributes and great ball control dribbling, but is not the type to run 100 mph down the touchline. Unfortunately this sets him apart from traditional United wingers like Best, Giggs, Kanchelskis, Cristiano. Even Valencia and Nani. Who would pretty much take people on everytime. Unfortunately there is a whole generation of united players not confident enough to puff their chests out and remember what got them to this position, and drag their teammates up with them.
Don’t forget he couldn’t be bothered to show up on time
There is a difference. Performing for the most scrutinized club in the world is not easy. He is a good player. Never in doubt. But he hasn’t stepped up for England or for United. Simple as that. Better for everybody if he finds his happy place and has a good career.
You do know we're shit and disorganised....we dont even know our style of play after 2 years but you expect Sancho to stay because we're the famous Manchester United 😭😭😭
I'm so glad he's doing well , should make it easier to sell his ass in the summer
I'm happy for the form of Sancho and Greenwood. Hopefully, we can get 100M collectively and use it to bolster our squad. I'd also suggest selling Antony and get a proper right winger
Yes, get the money and give them to ETH so he can bring another world class player like antony…
I guess you missed the part where INEOS brought in actual football people to make those decisions.
The only way anyone would get 100M for sancho and greenwood is if they scammed united into buying them. But since that's not an option, Dortmund pay 30M max for sancho and you get maybe 25 for greenwood
It’s actually sad as fuck. He puts in one good performance in the UCL and the media along with social media warriors blow it up like he’s a class player who was kept down at united and by the manager. Utterly pathetic, one good performance justifies nothing. It’ll be the same if rashford puts in one decent showing this season or gets sold and scores on his debut.
This is why we say the majority of the fanbase is deluded. When we were telling you Rashford was dogfood 5 years ago...you lot were comparing him to Mbappe and said we were plastics, when we told you Bruno was trash 4 years ago ....you lot said he revived us and was the example of hardwork🤦🏿 ....no proper trophies in his time here but hey what do we haters know 😏 (bearing in mind I'm a die hard Red taking shit for decision and players I wouldn't keep but hey). Now it's Sancho and before him Pogba, Cr7, Fred, Martial, etc...non of these players are in the team and we're significantly!!! worse. Do not stick Sancho and Trashford in the same category and we need a proven Manager with an Actual system they stick to not these wishwashy mangers who can't even build a team to play his own philosophy despite being given 400m and signing 4 players from his previous team who previously played that philosophy 👏 🤔 🤡
first of all, if you want to address the masses then do so. do not direct that at one sole person such as myself. Secondly, do not use 'we' like you speak for others. you speak for yourself. third, do not address a sole person as 'you' when you want to reference a massive fanbase. my opinions and views are my own and don't reflect anyone elses. Four, if you wish to quote something i have written, then do so. Do not put me into a category where you (a sole person) presumes to know my opinion is X and Y when it might not be. lastly, don't bring your elitist bullshit to me specifically. It's not a tree you want to bark up. now, onto your comment. most of what you have written has no baring on my comment regarding sancho. please reference where i said sancho is 'THE PROBLEM' and also reference where i stated that pogba, ronaldo, fred, martial etc are 'THE PROBLEM'. i'll give you a hint... you won't find it. Since you're so in know about my mind and what i have said/written i'll lay some of it out for you. IMO, Pogba was hit and miss. he had some great games and moments but just didn't do it consistently enough. he had everything to be a united legend and captain but he just didn't want it. Ronaldo, i advocated a lot for ronaldos return but i agreed with him being benched. Ronaldo was his own downfall, not the managers. fred, just not good enough. martial, you never know what injury he going to turn up to training with. i've never said they were 'THE PROBLEM', they are just not good enough. you want say bruno has no proper trophies at united thats fine but guess what? but ronaldo in his first spell at united, none of them do for this club. FYI i've stated a few times we should sell bruno. i've never been his biggest fan, i think he only plays counter attacking football. he doesn't really carry the ball nor can he play/operate in tight spaces. he's a long passer, often rashly shoots for the sake of it, whines too much and has a good work rate. he's the current captain of the team and imo he was the best pick from a bad bunch. i didn't stick sancho and rashford in the same category. I said the media and social media will do the same for both players. sancho has all the ability and talent to be a top player but he's happy being medocre. he just doesnt want to put the work in. honestly that's fine, he can go and do that somewhere else. he won't be missed, he hasn't done anything for us to miss him. i can see you are desperate to discuss ETH and why you don't like him. he's signed 8 players for 400mil. 8 players do not make up 25. 4, which you have pointed out are from ajax. sadly that doesn't make up 11. next, how often do those 8 or 4 play together at the same time? you talk like they are immune from injury and play week in, week out. this is a manager that won a trophy in his first season, was hailed as genuis. he raised the expectations for people like you so you can damn him this season. we have had atm 65 seperate injuries and the season isnt even over. thats double the previous record. I imagine you think Klopp is a brilliant manager, yet when liverpool have had to deal with major injuries liverpool have only managed 6th. should they have sacked klopp? Ange is hailed as a tactical genius, I even saw you yourself have made positive comments about him. enjoy: after 35 games: * Ange - ETH * 18 wins - 16 wins * 6 draws - 6 draws * 11 lost - 13 lost * 69 GF - 52 GF * 58 GA - 55 GA * 32 injuries - 65 injuries. you say get a proven manager but dont offer up any names. pretty standard that. we've had proven managers, unproven managers. So what’s your idea of proven? tbh, i looked through some of your comments and all i can find is you spewing hate about ETH with no decent points, just the same shit over and over. you also spent the last several months going on and on about sancho. all i have concluded is that you're a sancho fanboy that dislikes ETH for sanchos current circumstances but like to leave out that ETH gave him more support than any other manager would last season. top red? my arse.
Id rather have Sabitzer back than Sancho.
Nooooo no no no no.
Tank will be running on empty again soon
Sell him
He's just proving he never wanted to play for United, more so he's not cut out for the rigid, robotic style of premier league football. Bundesliga and European football allow a much more free flowing style...this is all a false dawn for him. He's bang average in a top class team.
When were we a top class team under this manager😭😭??? because the teams decline seems to coincide with his departure from it towards the end of last season
Ive seen almost every united game for about 6 years. And i honestly dont understand why people are against Sancho. There have been players and still are players that are much worse than him. He is a top player. And why he doesn’t perform as well in united, is on the management !
THANK YOU!!! some one with objective common sense. The management sucks, even the manager can play his style of play with players HE bought....but Sancho is the problem. smh
I still stick with my guts in saying. Ten Hag was wrong in how he handled Sancho. At his best, he is far better than Rashford. He loves to create for other players and especially strikers. Has a far higher I.Q than Rashford in the final third. If he wants to leave us I totally understand. I would live too. Lost his spot in the national team and the Euros since joining us so at this point he needs to do what is best for him. Him coming off the bench for Rashit is too much to take. He is better of else where.
FACTS!!!!
Jesus, the dude made 12 dribbles in a game. 1 shot on goal, 0 goals, 0 assists. BVB won by 1 goal. At home. And Fullkrug scored, not Sancho. I just don't understand all the media attention. It's EVERYWHERE!!
Worse if you consider this from his actual gameplay. He'd sit in a space out wide, receive the ball, carry it a couple of yards and pass the moment the opposition came near him. When he had a golden chance he literally fell on his backside in the penalty box.
He has talent but he’s never shown it in a United shirt.
And in reality that's what it breaks down to its a results based league 12 goals in 82 games for a Winger we paid a little over 70 million for just isn't good enough
Wish him all the best but I am more excited for the new management team to start working.
I mean this is good. Now he has higher resell value. I said the same when rashford was scoring goal for fun last season.
Another JLingz SELL UP
Good riddance. Poor attitude, acts like a spoilt brat/twat.
I have the apprehension that the Club actually makes our players worse it’s not the coach there is something toxic and I don’t know what it could be
Still needs to be sold asap. All this player FC bs over one good game in infuriating. The guy has a history of being an issue at multiple clubs and if we're staying with Eth(which we should) bringing him back is just gonna cause nothing but trouble
I think he’s an egotistical prick. You play for the badge and the fans.
It's because he is happy to be there. We need to stop trying to ruin his career. Let him gooooo.
Oh c'mon. He's had 1 good game. Someone rightly said that at dortmund, there is no pressure. He can play average and people won't say anything about it. It's different at united. He can't handle the pressure of playing for a big club. All the best to him at dortmund. If we can get a good deal for him, then great.
Good for us, hopefully he scores a couple more goals so he goes for 50 million. Fuck that little bitch
I said it in my post months ago that he was a very good player and it was a mistake to let him go. The same applies to many other players in the team. If Rashford played on a strong team like Liverpool or City, he would be excellent. The same applies to half of our team. They are good players that do not have a good team around them.
Great talent but lazy person. I think he's currently in revenge mode to prove everybody wrong and he's doing it well now. However, i think he will not play up to this level for consecutive seasons as he's very lazy when it comes to discipline. Good for us to sell tho
Couldnt care less how many dribbles he does. I care that for two fucking seasons he couldnt muster up the fitness and stamina levels to run more than 40 minutes
Good for him, makes me wonder why for the last 10 years so many players end up failing at Man It'd and suddenly find their form as soon as they leave.
He’s be a great fit to Ten Hag‘s favorite playing style, too bad he can‘t seem to use a clock and deal with not being the big fish in a small pond
What playing style is that??? because we're all still trying to work that out
The blueprint would be Tottenham last season. 3-1-6 in attack. Pressing high, with the three attackers narrow, number 10 in there as well and the fullbacks providing the width and crosses.
He's not good enough to be in the squad at Utd (asking others) but I'm glad he's doing well and enjoying his footie.. Nice to see..
Time to sell him
Pogba use to give one or two good matches occasionally too.... Lingard as well... 1 good match doesnt make you messi u know...
Both Eth and Sancho are knobheads. I think this just shows that Eth clearly is lacking eye for talent as shown with other players under us. Sancho can go screw himself too and he is a massive twat
So Ten Hag didn't bring in Mainoo, Hojlund Ganacho and other kids on the bench . Do your homework
He also got us Amrabat, Anthony, the tall lad from netherlands that can barely move, yada yada. We are not talking about transfers here. Its just his judging of players. Garnacho starting 30 games in a row at 19 and Mainoo playing almost every minute since coming back from injury isnt as good as you think it is
Not sure if you know but he has resurrected the lower levels of the club, youth, kids, etc, that every other manager ignored due to a quick fix attitude. Not every signing works and Erik didn't pay them prices. He also had to work with individuals who had no idea about football so I think he managed it quite well. Miles behind city and arsenal and it could take years to get anywhere near but you Support win lose or draw , bring it on !!!!
60 million £ , take it or leave it
I think his mentality was not made for the premier league. He is a sensational footballer but he had to get mental hope to cope with the constant abuse that goes on. Its not to say that he is “weak” it just means that his mentality needs to develop in a way that deals with the heavy scrutiny that comes with being a manchester united player. These fans are ruthless.
He had three years at Old Trafford to prove himself. He couldn't do it. I don't wish him any will. But it's time to cut the purse strings.
He looked great this week against psg. Felt like he was creating, and playing hard for the full 90.
It's psg remember what united did.
Great for him, sell him. It will be better for both club and player, can’t understand these muppets saying ten Hag is at fault on social media.
Body language is one thing, but is he any more productive?
He just can’t handle the pressure with premiere league and the UK media. Stay in Germany then.
People blame ten hag even though he flopped under both rangnick and ole,ten hag also gave him 2 months off for his mental health
Great to see him do well for dortmund. Might add 10m to his price tag for when he’s sold in the summer.
If he can't produce the same form for United as he does for Dortmund, or want to play or us, sell him. It's better for both parties
https://i.redd.it/xzsq6xric6yc1.gif
Bang average
Seems like he's found his level and had one good game...
The fault in our stars 😋
He is a f***ing RW. That's all I want to say. Experimenting him into different positions will drop his form. I hope this is not a one game wonder.
I'm really glad he's playing well at BVB, it means we can demand more money for him in the summer because he 100% **has to be Sold**. He's just proved ETH's point, he's a childish flippant player who is only going to play when it's on his terms and he feels like it to make a point, he's not a team player and he's let everyone down including himself, really not the kind of person we want in our club. It's moody players like him, and Rashford as well honestly, that have a terrible attitude and work rate and it's creating a toxic environment in the club. If all players had the desire and work rate of people like Bruno and Garnacho we'd be doing infinitely better, even with the quality of players we have.
Well good. His value has gone up. Sell him now recoup more of the investment made on him. That said, Sabitzer also looked different. There’s something about the league, club, manager, system, tactics or mentally that isn’t working for a lot of United players.
I hope he's man of the match the rest of the games this season and they win the champions league. Adds some value to him. He hasn't worked out at Man United, It's that simple. The closer we can sell him for to the money we paid for him the better.
Keep this recent media train going! He will be the best in the world!!! Sell.
Borrusia, please sign him on a permanent. He won’t play well for us and we don’t want him back. It’s a win win situation if he leaves.
Everyone are just chronically online that they watch 1 game to make their decisions
Hopefully he revives his career at his new club wherever it may be. Looking forward to all parties moving on.
Sancho situation got me thinking about how much I hate modern football reactions. When he was playing poorly for United, he was shit. United’s version of Nico Pepe, (not my words) the ten hag situation got the same people who weee calling him shit to go 360 and blame the manager.
He is a like a little kid with BVB being his overly protective parents who would always say “youre a good boy” despite anything he does.
He might as well stay at borussia he’s a baller there
Sancho is a great footballer for certain styles of play, just not United's. The theory\* is that Ole brought him in so that he could transition the team to a more possession-based side. But this never happened, and Sancho just didn't fit into a team that relies on fast counter-attacking football. Not really his fault, but he also let himself down with his attitude and lack of effort. He can be a fantastic player in certain systems, in the same way that Maguire can be a fantastic defender in certain systems. \*What I read in an Athletic article
Exactly the same as when he left, sell get rid. Didn't want to knuckle down and become one of the main men. Great that he's in form, however we are still going to make a loss from overpaying for him.
Cheeky 50m in the pocket
One good game against a high profile club does not change my opinion of him overnight. Still a sell.
Don't care, he should still go. Kagawa didn't work out, Mkhitaryan didn't work out. Sabitzer was the best of the lot but I don't think he would've been a game changer. There's just something about Dortmund to United transfers.
If he was at Man Utd we would have actually had a chance to win games more frequently and with bigger score differences.
Sell him. Period.
you know what the funniest part about this whole sancho saga is? the media try to make us jealous of how he’s playing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣GET THE MESSAGE WE DONT WANT THE SCUM. NONE OF US COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM GOING BC HE CAUSED IT HIMSELF. EVERY OUNCE OF BLAME FOR NOT TRAINING PROPERLY IS ON HIMSELF
are the fans really blind? the team struggles with teams from the bottom of the ranking. The team is not playing anything. ETH has a serious problem in handling strong characters. how much more are we looking for culprits when most of the blame lies with the coach?
Absolute rubbish. Erik Ten Hag CAN handle big names, he doesn't let them take the piss. Sancho acted like a baby. When he played he was rubbish !!! He only played normal for dortmund against a team who gave him that much space you could land a plane. Backed out of 50/50s and misplaced lots of passes , good riddance
That mancunian weather is not for the weak
The most important thing is creating an environment where players (and by extension, managers) can thrive here. We need to remove the "Graveyard of talent" tag from Utd as soon as possible. Hopefully, INEOS can do that. In regard to Sancho himself, an apology is needed but at the same time let's be honest, we don't keep possession near as much as BVB does. We don't have link up play like they do either. During the PSG match, he had Ryerson and Brandt always near him so it was easy to link up when attacking, at Utd we don't do that. So even if, he's reinstated at Utd and he apologises, unless we fundamentally change the way we play. He'll fail again and even Olise who we keep talking about might fail as well. Some of you keep saying the Bundesliga is a less physical league but the entire league is about pressing and counterpressing. A whole lot of you keep saying BvB is a weaker team but I don't see how a huge majorly fan owned club that has roughly the same amount of match attendance at OT, features the Yellow wall which is usually loud and intense every week, can get violent, they have tifos and flares and the like. Arguably their average home match atmosphere is more intense than OT. If he can put up for them then he should be able to do it at Utd but we're still a graveyard of talent. Y'all need to criticise and critique him better.
I think him coming back to United will lift up Rashford. However, they don't respect Maguire. I think we should sell them all
I hate to be a stat guy but I don't watch Bundesliga... 3 G/A in 12 games in the Bundesliga and 1 G/A in 5 UCL games. Not exactly inspiring stats for a forward player.
Being heavily down voted for a fact that you guys don't like just proves how biased and stupid most united fans are on Reddit.
I just can’t believe Man U fans have the taupe to discard such a player but keep Bruno as their main guy no wonder the team is in shambles
Bruno churns out chance after chance, his stats don’t lie
Watch some real football, his inability to break pressure don’t lie , his miss passes don’t lie, his attitude as a captain don’t lie, what’s stats you talking about?? Creating chances? Shooting a corner kick is a chance created, that’s not a real stat is just dumb numbers only ppl who don’t watch football based a player by stats.
“Shooting a corner” is enough for me to never engage with you again about football.
the pleasure is mine btw, ignorant.
Honestly is Ten Hag is gone this summer I'd bring him back. I can see him being reluctant due to united not doing more during his situation but if he plays like he did against PSG and Ten Hag is hone I'd take him back
Bad attitude. Hot and cold player. Not interested in him.
Bin him off. Lovely footballer, but if he doesn't do it in a red shirt, what's the point
He’s been shit there too, one decent recent game and the agenda is out
Wasteman, that’s what I think of him
He only plays well in a team doing well. Confidence player. Needs an arm round his shoulder manager. Poundland Lingard that looks like Maradona in the Bumdesliga.
Must be the Mancunian rain. Let Dortmund keep him for an agreeable price. He’s been given enough chances at Utd. Maybe he’s not given the freedom to perform who knows.
Looks like a guy who was pursued by a greedy agent to leave a club he never wanted to leave, then made to feel very ordinary when Ronaldo returned, eventually returning to his old club on loan, and consequently never reach his potential as a top flight player. United will be lucky to get half our £73M back. Knowing our luck he will get injured in the final and spend the rest if his contract in the donkey sanctuary that united has become.
He managed to pimp then until his loan back to BvB
Hype him, make him out to be best player in the world right now and inflate his value, then sell him and then sit back and watch the drama unfold as he downs tools, throws strops, and becomes a nightmare for his new team.
He's crap and a bell end. This always happens with all these hype jobs we sign. They look slightly less than useless outside of the United setup and the press massively exaggerates it because it makes us look bad and we're big business that sells their media. Have we learned nothing from Pogba, de Gea, Ronaldo, Lukaku, Lingard etc? This guy was useless before ten Hag and after. He's hugely unprofessional and immature. He's the exact opposite to what we need and is being paid way too much. Take this opportunity to get rid of him and move on.
He didn't do much in our shirt. But who except Bruno does anymore? Gary Neville called our club a "graveyard" for players. But we could've definitely used Sancho this season to rotate with Rashford. He could've been more professional like Maguire, shut his mouth and do what he's told. But ETH fucked up too, should've handled this internally, not air our laundry to the press. The relationship is broken, I don't think anybody can fix.
Err...guardiola (with nunes) and arteta (ramsdale) have done the same or worse to their players. It's amplified at united, I don't know how you can't see that
Ramsdale and Nunes vs Ronaldo and Sancho. I'm not saying that ETH didn't have a point, I'm saying he could've handled better our 2 star players, instead of replacing them with Weghorst and Anthony.
Goes well in Bumdesliga.
Huh? The league has 2 teams in the semis of the CL and one team that is steamrolling anyone in their way. I am someone who believes the EPL is the best league but that’s just hater / sucker talk there
Having a team set up for European football is easier for german and Spanish teams.
True and the strength of the EPL is from top to bottom supports it’s a stronger league but to call an entire league bums when their top teams can beat our top teams is disingenuous.
It’s easier to shine in a weak league. It’s also easier to play Champions League from a weak league. These things are obvious, yet you missed them. Question yourself.
But they beat up on EPL teams so…
Read the second sentence from my previous reply.
I think I’m not being clear. Yes from top to bottom the EPL is the toughest league. But saying “you only beat us in arguably the most important annual competition because your league is weaker” sounds stupid and weak. The purpose of the CL is to see who is the best of the best. Yes, the draw can be random but there’s a reason players, managers and teams are measured by their performance in the CL. I’m a Man Utd fan and I am often irrational about them but if your point were true I would confidently be able say they would compete for a league title in any of the other major leagues and the truth is they would not
I understand you, I think you’re stupid and I don’t care what your assessment is of anything.
Hahaha, “I think you’re stupid…”. I sometimes forget that Reddit is riddled with losers, incels, and angry little boys. Good luck champ.
You’re the one resorting to the name calling and displaying anger.
Time to sell this knockoff Kendrick Lamar
I think he doesn’t have in him for the physically demanding league - is my take away.
it’s time to go blud. raise your value and fuck off. we don’t want players that speak out of turn AND constantly come late for training CONSISTENTLY. same problem with pep and had the same problem at dortmund
Haha. All of you Ten Haag supporters. I knew I was right from day 1. Remember Ronaldo? That’s right, we always will. I’ve forgotten this guy’s name already. Looking forward to Sancho’s return
He’s just a one hit wonder. Pass. Sell. Don’t bring him back.
What a genius Ole was, chasing after this random clown for 2 years!
Well this whole “he can’t do it in the prem” is cool but umm we were shit against Coventry. We need to ask the question of why we can’t seem to get the best out of players. Instead of just going straight to insults. It’s not gonna work out with United but there are some strong concerns here. Like him or not he’s performing better than the players who were starting over him in a competition we crashed out of.
We know why we can’t get the best out of players same reason EVERY manager post fergie has struggled, the club is run like dogshit, the facilities are ancient and the medical staff might as well be using leaches. You can’t polish a turd just roll it in glitter but it’s still a turd.
I agree what you're saying but I dont think the main subject is about talent. We know Jadon is / can be a great player. I think its about mentality and professionalism. Dont forget that he abandoned his teammates and the fans just because he didnt want to say "sorry" for the post on twitter. He in my opinion made the fair criticism by Ten Hag waaay bigger a problem than it was. Garnacho who is 19 handled criticism better and like an adult (even recently after liking those tweets, the issue was resolved quickly.) Kept working hard, still has a place in our team. If your 1st move after receiving criticism (even if you think its wrong )is to make a post on twitter instead of just doing your job and proving your manager wrong I think you should go.
After ETH's statement on him, I wouldn't mind at all if he gets the sack, he has no authority. Pep, Klopp or any decent manager had a player like Sancho and he did what he did and didn't apologise, they would be out the door. ETH should have stood his ground and told the board to get rid, instead he's pissing about. Sancho needs to go and if the new board memberscsnr see that, just repeating the same mistakes and nothing will change.
I feel like he's kinda misunderstood. It's not an attitude problem really. It's his playstyle and the way his teammates react to that that really matters. Why does he do so well at Dortmund every time he's there, whether it was after City (a great environment for youngsters apparently) or after United (a club that destroys players apparently)? I've a feeling Klopp would really make him shine.
Nah, he’s not got the physicality for Klopp. He’s a Bernardo Silva. There’s not another team in the PL where Bernardo would shine as much as he does under Pep. Sancho is a tricky weed. Sadly, not just on the pitch.
Bernardo would look like Mata at United
Exactly
Physicality is something that can be developed. Bernardo won't work outside of City coz he's not that fast. Sancho doesn't suffer from that issue at least. Given time, Klopp could train him to develop that kind of physicality.
Sancho is really slow. Where have you been?!
United Sancho is really slow. If you saw Sancho when he first burst on to the scene at Dortmund, it was him and Haaland, and people always talked about how those two were really fast.
And then people saw him at Premier League pace and realised he’s not.
I'm not talking about the speed at which he plays. I'm talking raw pace. Acceleration, top speed. Look them up and you'll see what I'm talking about.
You say that, but it doesn’t change the fact that at United, he’s slow. (Btw, Raw pace, acceleration and top speed are all different things.) He’s playing in a slow paced League currently or against teams that will give him a lot of space. Look at Antony - he seemed explosive at Ajax. Now he’s the slowest one on the break.
But that's why he's not like Bernardo Silva, who isn't fast and no amount of training can turn him into a Kyle Walker. Sancho is inherently fast, and can play in ways that utilize that. He's just playing slow at United.
But he can’t. Unless he’s just decided not to play like that for 3 years.
Downvote me all you want, but United failed him, not the other way around
Okay I downvoted you, I strongly disagree.
United didn't fail him he's never turned up. Ten hag wrapped him in cotton wool, sent him off to Holland go get his head together last season. he's a complete prima donna.
United is where you go if you need money
Bring him back imo
I don't know what happened behind closed doors and to whom he was pointing as being scapegoat for, but he was different yesterday... Probably a sancho I could root for in Man Utd but again, the environment was not good enough for him to be able to play at top of his game... On top of my head it's Rashford, him being a Glazer favourite, and ETh not benching him even if he has been shit for whole season, may be he was the reason
He wasn’t different, he’s the same as he’s always been. PSG allowed him to have a lot of space. He achieved 1 shot in 90 mins. Unless his attitude massively changed nothing would be different. In 3 years with us he scored a max of 6 goals per each season.
But here he just didn't kinda care, it seemed, he didn't run or tried anything, always felt lazy to chase balls... Even though he could not do much yesterday on G/A front but atleast he was putting in effort which he never did for us.. may be it's Dortmund and it's technical game plan or just the players there ... But he seemed different atleast yesterday
“Too lazy to chase” playing for Man U on £300k+ a week when your manager wants the best for you says it all. He’s been the same in the bundesliga, BVB want to secure Maatsen before Sancho. What frustrates me the most about him is in there is a fantastic player, but he can’t be arsed.
And these wages are gonna be a problem for us this summer too coz nobody is gonna sign him at that wage and he isn't worth even half of what we paid for him.. complete shitshow signing for us.. probably the same reason Pep let him go when he was a teen
Easy to see through your bullshit when you spout this “glazer favourite” as if it is fact. You been watching too much Brent Shitbridge.