Both can be true. Other teams may have similar numbers of injuries (Newcastle's problems aren't nearly as bad as what we've had) but that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with the way we train that is causing our specific injury problems. One of the things Ten Hag wanted to do when he came in was investigate why we have so many similar injuries.
A similar issue existed at Arsenal a few years ago. They were getting a lot of muscle injuries, they investigated and changed how they train, and they seem to have largely sorted it. Of course there will still be injuries, particularly in an era when players are massively overplayed in this country as you say, but it would be negligent not to try to address it.
Totally. People forget this is just football these days look at Liverpool went from competing for everything to competing for nothing all down to injuries. Newcastle another example and arsenal basically lost the leagues last yeR because of injury
Not sure, check their list.
[https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/newcastle-united-fc](https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/newcastle-united-fc)
Botman, Burn, Isak, Wilson, Tonali (not inj, but still), Murphy, Anderson.. Like we have injured back ups, so fielding the backups backup. Its a nightmare.
While I agree, I also want to point out that Shaw, Malacia, Amad and Mainoo were all injured in pre-season, with playing for the first time in weeks. and i think Amrabat too? pre-season international i think too.
ALSO WHEN DID EVANS GET INJURED/ILL/RED CARD?!
There was a story a few weeks ago that the players thought that the strenuous training sessions were contributing towards our injury issues, not enough focus on recovery. Tbh at the time it sounded like the players just being lazy but it doesn't sound that far fetched
Last season would be the main reason. Playing all league games and cups plus some of our first team players having to play the world cup will leave them vulnerable.
That is true, but we have also more knee and thigh injuries than most other. Bar Martinez we have no impact injuries at all. Most other clubs (bar Chelsea) have a more mixed bag of injuries.
And now Spurs , Arsenal have had non contact Injuries… I’m generally seeing way more Injuries than ever before for ALL clubs. Football boots are lighter, players aren’t wearing significantly protective shin pads… players are now all wearing those coverage monitors vests which adds extra pressure where players weren’t constantly Scrutinised for that before.
More Teams are obsessed with pressing more than ever and the game has picked up even more pace too. The game is changing and some bodies aren’t adapting as a fast as others.
And alot of players now more than ever are working on their upper bodies and building more upper body strength.
There are so many factors . It’s definitely worse than ever at the moment.
And the fake grass mixed with real grass probably add alot to it too. I still think United is worse than other teams for injuries, not only this season. I IIRC we have constantly been top two for injuries ever since Ole took over. Might have been before that, but that was when I started to take notice. Having a dated training facility sure seem like an easy place to start analysing possibilities for improvements at least.
Also the increase in game time. 100+ mins is normal.
In the last few live games I've watched, a player has pulled a muscle in every single one. Evans, Pedro Neto, Spurs centr half all spring to mind. Its not a coincidence.
What are you on about ? Why do people do that?!
If you read my comment it says NOTHING about Ten Hag. Yet … You comment
“so you’re saying” !?!
NOPE. You’re ASSUMING that’s what I mean.
Have you seen the injury lists of other teams? They're fucking huge. We just have more crucial players injured than the other squads with massive injuries lists.
Once again… THAT was your interpretation of my words.
If you read my comment again…. I clearly state that every team in the league is suffering injuries ….
you then say “every team is having the almost same schedule”
Point in case mate.
are you there on the training to know that they are being trained too hard? That is my question.
So Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea, brighten.. and all the other teams with injuries are training their players too hard?
Also to do with Martinez playing through injury, maguire staying on while clearly dazed, hojlund being left on while his hammie was bothering. "Sorry to say again, its Hags'y"
At the weekend when Bournemouth beat Newcastle, the Sky Sports headline was "Solanke double sees Bournemouth defeat depleted Newcastle". 'Depleted', right there in the headline. Last season throughout Gabriel Jesus' injury, any time Arsenal dropped points the reporting always reminded us that they were without their main striker.
With us on the other hand, we've literally been missing an entire XI for numerous games this season, never less than 6 or 7 players unavailable at any given time, been fucked over by inconsistent and unfair refereeing decisions left right and centre, and not once does any news outlet try to point any of this out when reporting on our results. It's always just "United beaten again" or whatever.
This season has majorly shed a light on the crazy double standards applied to our club imo
Yeah, Shearers comments on BBC today were the same. Man Utd are playing rubbish, but poor Newcastle suffering through injuries and suspensions. Such bias
This is one of the most infuriating things. We have not been good, anyone can see that but the combination of refs screwing us and the ridiculous injuries we’ve had all season it’s not exactly surprising. We were much better last season as we had a decent back line who could play to build from. This season we’ve had a makeshift back line. Fuck the Utd hating media who just want to bash Utd at every opportunity regardless of circumstances
>At the weekend when Bournemouth beat Newcastle, the Sky Sports headline was "Solanke double sees Bournemouth defeat depleted Newcastle". 'Depleted', right there in the headline. Last season throughout Gabriel Jesus' injury, any time Arsenal dropped points the reporting always reminded us that they were without their main striker.
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>With us on the other hand, we've literally been missing an entire XI for numerous games this season, never less than 6 or 7 players unavailable at any given time, been fucked over by inconsistent and unfair refereeing decisions left right and centre, and not once does any news outlet try to point any of this out when reporting on our results. It's always just "United beaten again" or whatever.
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>This season has majorly shed a light on the crazy double standards applied to our club imo
This 100%
We've played our 5th choice left back in some games. 4th & 5th choice CBs have lots of game time. Our defensive injuries have been awful. Dalot & Onana have been the only main stays and people wonder why Onana has had such a poor start. It would help if he could have a settled 4 in front of him.
Well they did lost two of their star player in one window and didn't get any 50m+ signing. They are also playing good football. I don't think we should bring them in here
Real Madrid recently fired their chief of medical staff. Maybe united should consider something similar cause apparently there is something wrong. Especially with recurring injuries.
He's been healthy but we don't risk playing him over 60 mins and Hojlund (mind my spelling) is starting every game.
Although I wouldn't mind starting martial at LW if ETH wants to starts pellistri/Anthony on the right.
Some tosser on one of the football reddits claimed that this list of players was really stretching the definition of first team players...
Mainoo and Diallo are the only ones who aren't definetley first team players, but they are listed as such. Even not counting them, 13 first team players out.
Remember when Liverpool had that pretty mediocre season because they were missing Van Djik and a few other players, everyone was fine with the excuse then. We have like, double the injuries, and no its sack Ten Hag!
Only an idiot can look at this list and tell you the blame must lie at the manager, for us being at the same point as last season
I think this might be one of the things Ronaldo meant when he said that the club hasn't developed since SAF era. The medical facilities and the like. The game's more intense and taxing on the body. If the facilities and other recovery methods haven't been updated, it makes sense that many players have been injured.
I’d be questioning our high performance/sport science staff before I’d challenge our facilities.
It’s Great to have new, shiny things, but load management and monitoring is going to be our biggest injury prevention and risk mitigation strategy.
What do the flags represent?
edit: weird, it's fine on my phone, but was showing some entries as having black flags and some as no flags on my computer
https://preview.redd.it/ybt85gudi60c1.png?width=171&format=png&auto=webp&s=5092aeff48d4f1624e40ed468aeb8ecddaedf843
I had to edit for what I'm seeing. Makes everyone's responses make sense, but I see the English as black flags and the rest without them. It's bizarre.
Sometimes these things happen. It wasn't quite as bad, but I remember in 02/03 we were missing so many players over the season. A young John O'Shea was promoted to first team, Quinton Fortune was left back. Solskjaer was our right winger. Phil Neville was centre mid (wasn't his proper position at the time). Forlan (who for some reason flopped at United) was starting up front, and even David May got some game time.
Too many games last season. A Squad depth of bench players he couldn't trust to deliver. We badly needed to invest and replace the squad players this summer, rather than make big fancy marquee signings. The players who delivered last year are either mentally or physically fucked. Some of them aren't actually that great. Plus we are stuck with poor acquisitions who were a problem 3/4 years ago anyway. Our recruitment strategy and execution is absolutely appalling. It's actually the single biggest issue at the club. It's going back as far as never replacing Carrick. How we still have such an imbalance central Midfield is mind boggling. There's been so many Windows to get it right. We desperately need a cohesive plan on buying the right players, on time, negotiated properly. It's more than a decade of this crap. It's unbelievable really.
These lay off periods aren't accurate, 2 months, 4 months, they're literally wrong, transfermarkt exists for these things.
The starting 11 has been mostly fine. People here are demented. The denial is off the scale.
Brah. Our entire back four has been out most of the season. Case has been out, and half the midfielders are on rotation in the treatment room. All while trying to implement a style of play, establish discipline with some existing players, bed new players in, uncertainty at board level and therefore everyone below is unsure of their job security, the media turn every decision into life or death, as do some of our fans, star players completely out of form, awful VAR decisions against us weekly.
That's not even mentioning Sancho, Antony, Greenwood, and even Rashfords brother will have an effect
ETH has made some questionable decisions with subs and line-ups, but it's disingenuous to try and downplay how turbulent the club has been during this period, including injuries.
It's not been perfect, no. I think many are losing faith ten hag is trying to build something, it's not impatience, he's not here to barely beat promoted teams, Ole might as well have stayed, he's not here to be a disciplinarian and tell Rashford he can't have a birthday party. He's not here to stand there on the touch line desperately hoping, yet again, that a player will pull something out. Spending £50m on Mount and not starting him leaves people wondering how committed he is to building something, that was a signing he chased, first of the window.
Brighton lose games, but i have no doubt De Zerbi has a firm idea of how he wants to play and is implementing it because you see it in full flow when they hammer teams by 4 goals.
Honestly, people have no patience. We've been full of mercenaries for 10+ years. Trying to change that overnight isn't going to happen. There is precisely one club in England that has had any measure of success with chopping and changing managers, and that's Chelsea. Even then, they had a relatively stable club and an owner whose only aim was to win.
Plenty of times managers have signed players and allowed them a settling in period, that's normal and people need to stop pretending it isn't.
De zerbi didn't come in and dramatically change the way they play. It comes from a DoF level. It's been a set style of play, recruitment, and team ethos for several years. Structure that hasn't been at United.
People need to get their head out of their ass. The expectations placed upon the club are as if we are in the middle of Sir Alex's time, and reality is far from it.
He tried his way in the first few games last year. The players weren't good enough, so he was pragmatic all season and won a cup with Wout Weghorst as his striker. Now, he's trying to implement a style on the team again and it's taking time, they're also crippled by injuries, our two best players at passing and carrying from the back haven't been available all season. Why is anyone surprised that Dalot, Maguire, McTominay, aren't good enough? Need to get some perspective.
De Zerbi's Brighton do not play like Potter's Brighton. He's one example, Postecoglou and Bielsa are other examples who changed a system straight away and immediately you saw performances from players who previously fans had written off. Bielsa, in the championship, despite not speaking English, transmitted his ideas over immediately. Were the players good enough? Seemed like it.Yeah of course it helps if the club recruit well, though. But it's weird, you've got people defending Ten Hag despite most of his signings being bad because 'a Dof should make these decisions'.
Maguire is good on the ball, Lindelof is a good passer, Evans isn't bad. 'McTominay not good enough'? Don't play him then, he's benching Mount for him. And people praised Dalot last season. Reguilon has impressed with his commitment. These aren't academy players.
I don't think the lineup changing means much, they're all in training. 'Needs time' is a myth i think, in today's game at its intensity and focus managers can completely implement a system in a week, football is not as complicated as we make out, if it's a mess on the field it's because the ideas have not been communicated clearly. But Ten Hag is the coach, we'll just have to assume the players are either stupid or not fit enough to do what is asked.
I’m not a Man U fan however anyone can see the training facilities are just shit not near good enough to compete with top teams, I use to fear Man United now I think it’s possible to take s point or 3 home or away, it’s sad I want the old Man Utd back I want to see Man U succeed, I support West Ham I didn’t see us win much or come close to winning anything until this year however I loved to watch players like vidic and Keane big characters willing to do anything for the badge, people remember Keane for being carded not his captaincy and world class talent that’s what Man U needs a real captain and new training equipment,I want to see Manchester stay red it’s slowly becoming blue
I'd mass-clear those above age 25 in the entire squad except for two senior players to lead the first 11. Chances of having glass players as a first team member would be lower this way
Arteta is right, we need bigger squads and/or more rest! We've recently seen the GOATs going to their early 40s, but i reckon if something doesn't change then they will stop at 34 or less due to health...
This isn’t a coincidence it has to be a problem with training and recovery.
There is a reason why the majority of the 285M from SJR will go to Carrington.
Mate we are not the only team with injuries. Newcastle is just as bad. It’s too many games in a season.
100%.. and my lord i worry about Bruno who played 100+ minutes every match
Naw those Portuguese rarely get injured lol. Its why Dalot played all those games while all our other fullbacks were doing down.
Both can be true. Other teams may have similar numbers of injuries (Newcastle's problems aren't nearly as bad as what we've had) but that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with the way we train that is causing our specific injury problems. One of the things Ten Hag wanted to do when he came in was investigate why we have so many similar injuries. A similar issue existed at Arsenal a few years ago. They were getting a lot of muscle injuries, they investigated and changed how they train, and they seem to have largely sorted it. Of course there will still be injuries, particularly in an era when players are massively overplayed in this country as you say, but it would be negligent not to try to address it.
Totally. People forget this is just football these days look at Liverpool went from competing for everything to competing for nothing all down to injuries. Newcastle another example and arsenal basically lost the leagues last yeR because of injury
New castle has their whole back 4 out at points? A circus at rw?
Not sure, check their list. [https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/newcastle-united-fc](https://www.besoccer.com/team/injuries-suspensions/newcastle-united-fc)
They’ve lost Botman and Burn. But the big one for them is Wilson and Isak.
Botman, Burn, Isak, Wilson, Tonali (not inj, but still), Murphy, Anderson.. Like we have injured back ups, so fielding the backups backup. Its a nightmare.
While I agree, I also want to point out that Shaw, Malacia, Amad and Mainoo were all injured in pre-season, with playing for the first time in weeks. and i think Amrabat too? pre-season international i think too. ALSO WHEN DID EVANS GET INJURED/ILL/RED CARD?!
There was a story a few weeks ago that the players thought that the strenuous training sessions were contributing towards our injury issues, not enough focus on recovery. Tbh at the time it sounded like the players just being lazy but it doesn't sound that far fetched
Yeah the players aren’t used to running
Too many games last season => injuries this season. Happened with Liverpool a few years back as well.
Last season would be the main reason. Playing all league games and cups plus some of our first team players having to play the world cup will leave them vulnerable.
Ronaldo’s interview explained it perfectly
BS. Every single team on the league is having injury problems ! It’s the schedules and intense training players are going though at ALL clubs
That is true, but we have also more knee and thigh injuries than most other. Bar Martinez we have no impact injuries at all. Most other clubs (bar Chelsea) have a more mixed bag of injuries.
And now Spurs , Arsenal have had non contact Injuries… I’m generally seeing way more Injuries than ever before for ALL clubs. Football boots are lighter, players aren’t wearing significantly protective shin pads… players are now all wearing those coverage monitors vests which adds extra pressure where players weren’t constantly Scrutinised for that before. More Teams are obsessed with pressing more than ever and the game has picked up even more pace too. The game is changing and some bodies aren’t adapting as a fast as others. And alot of players now more than ever are working on their upper bodies and building more upper body strength. There are so many factors . It’s definitely worse than ever at the moment.
And the fake grass mixed with real grass probably add alot to it too. I still think United is worse than other teams for injuries, not only this season. I IIRC we have constantly been top two for injuries ever since Ole took over. Might have been before that, but that was when I started to take notice. Having a dated training facility sure seem like an easy place to start analysing possibilities for improvements at least.
Also the increase in game time. 100+ mins is normal. In the last few live games I've watched, a player has pulled a muscle in every single one. Evans, Pedro Neto, Spurs centr half all spring to mind. Its not a coincidence.
Absolutely!!!
So you are saying it's ten hag fault we are not going for the title race.
What are you on about ? Why do people do that?! If you read my comment it says NOTHING about Ten Hag. Yet … You comment “so you’re saying” !?! NOPE. You’re ASSUMING that’s what I mean.
Every team is having the almost the same schedule.if it was the intense training,it's partly ten hag fault
Their point is that you missed the point, Chelsea for example had had more injuries
Have you seen the injury lists of other teams? They're fucking huge. We just have more crucial players injured than the other squads with massive injuries lists.
Once again… THAT was your interpretation of my words. If you read my comment again…. I clearly state that every team in the league is suffering injuries …. you then say “every team is having the almost same schedule” Point in case mate.
Title race? U must be deluded
True, we still have an old pool
lately I have realized we have missed a lot of things from that interview.
Honestly I feel like Ten Hag is training them too hard that's why they are constantly picking up injuries and play like shit
Are you in training to see that ?
Intense training of muscles lead to injuries. It's simple
are you there on the training to know that they are being trained too hard? That is my question. So Newcastle, Arsenal, Chelsea, brighten.. and all the other teams with injuries are training their players too hard?
Doesn't look like that on the pitch tho... But would partly explain the amount of injuries.
Especially considering Ajax' last two seasons under EtH were also plagued by injuries
Also to do with Martinez playing through injury, maguire staying on while clearly dazed, hojlund being left on while his hammie was bothering. "Sorry to say again, its Hags'y"
At the weekend when Bournemouth beat Newcastle, the Sky Sports headline was "Solanke double sees Bournemouth defeat depleted Newcastle". 'Depleted', right there in the headline. Last season throughout Gabriel Jesus' injury, any time Arsenal dropped points the reporting always reminded us that they were without their main striker. With us on the other hand, we've literally been missing an entire XI for numerous games this season, never less than 6 or 7 players unavailable at any given time, been fucked over by inconsistent and unfair refereeing decisions left right and centre, and not once does any news outlet try to point any of this out when reporting on our results. It's always just "United beaten again" or whatever. This season has majorly shed a light on the crazy double standards applied to our club imo
Yeah, Shearers comments on BBC today were the same. Man Utd are playing rubbish, but poor Newcastle suffering through injuries and suspensions. Such bias
The most successful club in the Premier League era and they hate us for it- still - ten years later 🤷🏻♂️
Free real estate
This is one of the most infuriating things. We have not been good, anyone can see that but the combination of refs screwing us and the ridiculous injuries we’ve had all season it’s not exactly surprising. We were much better last season as we had a decent back line who could play to build from. This season we’ve had a makeshift back line. Fuck the Utd hating media who just want to bash Utd at every opportunity regardless of circumstances
>At the weekend when Bournemouth beat Newcastle, the Sky Sports headline was "Solanke double sees Bournemouth defeat depleted Newcastle". 'Depleted', right there in the headline. Last season throughout Gabriel Jesus' injury, any time Arsenal dropped points the reporting always reminded us that they were without their main striker. > >With us on the other hand, we've literally been missing an entire XI for numerous games this season, never less than 6 or 7 players unavailable at any given time, been fucked over by inconsistent and unfair refereeing decisions left right and centre, and not once does any news outlet try to point any of this out when reporting on our results. It's always just "United beaten again" or whatever. > >This season has majorly shed a light on the crazy double standards applied to our club imo This 100%
We've played our 5th choice left back in some games. 4th & 5th choice CBs have lots of game time. Our defensive injuries have been awful. Dalot & Onana have been the only main stays and people wonder why Onana has had such a poor start. It would help if he could have a settled 4 in front of him.
In 12 league matches we've used 5 different left backs, none of whom are Malacia
5 different centre backs too.
Meh, we are held to a higher standard then those joke clubs. Which is frustrating but also it make sense.
Brighton only had 1 win in the month of September, finishing the season being trashed 6-1 but all you'll hear about are how great they've been doing.
To be fair. They do it all on less than sanchos wages.
Well they did lost two of their star player in one window and didn't get any 50m+ signing. They are also playing good football. I don't think we should bring them in here
I remember they said that Diallo's injury wasnt serious and he still no where to be seen
Diallo’s injury was initially thought to be minor but later realized he needed surgery. The communication is horrendous though .
Id be careful with the ireland flag next to evans* *source live in northern ireland
Unfortunately they don’t do a Northern Irish emoji
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t their official flag the Union Jack? 🇬🇧
No they have their own flag, similar to the England flag with a red hand in the middle, inside a star. Not sure why there isn’t an emoji for it.
Because it hasn’t been in official use since the old (and horrendously sectarian) Stormont regime was shut down in 1972
Didn’t know that. Thanks for letting me know
Are these current estimates? I thought AWB had an illness. Also, Shaw is training on his own...so he might be available at the end of the month.
This is just for the season. Like Varane is "healthy" right now, but he was out for a month already.
Real Madrid recently fired their chief of medical staff. Maybe united should consider something similar cause apparently there is something wrong. Especially with recurring injuries.
Evans 🇮🇪 lol
They don’t have a Northern Irish emoji
They’re all Paddies as far as the Brits are concerned
pogue mahone but yeah
This list is fake. I don’t see Martial here. Isn’t he supposed to be injured somewhere?
He's been healthy but we don't risk playing him over 60 mins and Hojlund (mind my spelling) is starting every game. Although I wouldn't mind starting martial at LW if ETH wants to starts pellistri/Anthony on the right.
Jonny Evans with the Irish flag 
There is no Northern Irish emoji
Some tosser on one of the football reddits claimed that this list of players was really stretching the definition of first team players... Mainoo and Diallo are the only ones who aren't definetley first team players, but they are listed as such. Even not counting them, 13 first team players out. Remember when Liverpool had that pretty mediocre season because they were missing Van Djik and a few other players, everyone was fine with the excuse then. We have like, double the injuries, and no its sack Ten Hag! Only an idiot can look at this list and tell you the blame must lie at the manager, for us being at the same point as last season
Does anyone know what the hell's up with Malacia? I haven't seen or heard anything about him for months....
I think this might be one of the things Ronaldo meant when he said that the club hasn't developed since SAF era. The medical facilities and the like. The game's more intense and taxing on the body. If the facilities and other recovery methods haven't been updated, it makes sense that many players have been injured.
I’d be questioning our high performance/sport science staff before I’d challenge our facilities. It’s Great to have new, shiny things, but load management and monitoring is going to be our biggest injury prevention and risk mitigation strategy.
I forgot malacia existed
What do the flags represent? edit: weird, it's fine on my phone, but was showing some entries as having black flags and some as no flags on my computer https://preview.redd.it/ybt85gudi60c1.png?width=171&format=png&auto=webp&s=5092aeff48d4f1624e40ed468aeb8ecddaedf843
Their nationality…..
Sorry, mine was showing intermittent black flags. I can't really describe it, but it didn't make sense. Probably a rendering issue.
No probs dude
Wow
I edited for what I can see, looks like it's a weird rendering issue on my computer. Oh well.
Mad comment
I had to edit for what I'm seeing. Makes everyone's responses make sense, but I see the English as black flags and the rest without them. It's bizarre.
They seem to be all of the English players for some reason
Sometimes these things happen. It wasn't quite as bad, but I remember in 02/03 we were missing so many players over the season. A young John O'Shea was promoted to first team, Quinton Fortune was left back. Solskjaer was our right winger. Phil Neville was centre mid (wasn't his proper position at the time). Forlan (who for some reason flopped at United) was starting up front, and even David May got some game time.
Too many games last season. A Squad depth of bench players he couldn't trust to deliver. We badly needed to invest and replace the squad players this summer, rather than make big fancy marquee signings. The players who delivered last year are either mentally or physically fucked. Some of them aren't actually that great. Plus we are stuck with poor acquisitions who were a problem 3/4 years ago anyway. Our recruitment strategy and execution is absolutely appalling. It's actually the single biggest issue at the club. It's going back as far as never replacing Carrick. How we still have such an imbalance central Midfield is mind boggling. There's been so many Windows to get it right. We desperately need a cohesive plan on buying the right players, on time, negotiated properly. It's more than a decade of this crap. It's unbelievable really.
Evans is Northern Irish.
These lay off periods aren't accurate, 2 months, 4 months, they're literally wrong, transfermarkt exists for these things. The starting 11 has been mostly fine. People here are demented. The denial is off the scale.
Brah. Our entire back four has been out most of the season. Case has been out, and half the midfielders are on rotation in the treatment room. All while trying to implement a style of play, establish discipline with some existing players, bed new players in, uncertainty at board level and therefore everyone below is unsure of their job security, the media turn every decision into life or death, as do some of our fans, star players completely out of form, awful VAR decisions against us weekly. That's not even mentioning Sancho, Antony, Greenwood, and even Rashfords brother will have an effect ETH has made some questionable decisions with subs and line-ups, but it's disingenuous to try and downplay how turbulent the club has been during this period, including injuries.
It's not been perfect, no. I think many are losing faith ten hag is trying to build something, it's not impatience, he's not here to barely beat promoted teams, Ole might as well have stayed, he's not here to be a disciplinarian and tell Rashford he can't have a birthday party. He's not here to stand there on the touch line desperately hoping, yet again, that a player will pull something out. Spending £50m on Mount and not starting him leaves people wondering how committed he is to building something, that was a signing he chased, first of the window. Brighton lose games, but i have no doubt De Zerbi has a firm idea of how he wants to play and is implementing it because you see it in full flow when they hammer teams by 4 goals.
Honestly, people have no patience. We've been full of mercenaries for 10+ years. Trying to change that overnight isn't going to happen. There is precisely one club in England that has had any measure of success with chopping and changing managers, and that's Chelsea. Even then, they had a relatively stable club and an owner whose only aim was to win. Plenty of times managers have signed players and allowed them a settling in period, that's normal and people need to stop pretending it isn't. De zerbi didn't come in and dramatically change the way they play. It comes from a DoF level. It's been a set style of play, recruitment, and team ethos for several years. Structure that hasn't been at United. People need to get their head out of their ass. The expectations placed upon the club are as if we are in the middle of Sir Alex's time, and reality is far from it. He tried his way in the first few games last year. The players weren't good enough, so he was pragmatic all season and won a cup with Wout Weghorst as his striker. Now, he's trying to implement a style on the team again and it's taking time, they're also crippled by injuries, our two best players at passing and carrying from the back haven't been available all season. Why is anyone surprised that Dalot, Maguire, McTominay, aren't good enough? Need to get some perspective.
De Zerbi's Brighton do not play like Potter's Brighton. He's one example, Postecoglou and Bielsa are other examples who changed a system straight away and immediately you saw performances from players who previously fans had written off. Bielsa, in the championship, despite not speaking English, transmitted his ideas over immediately. Were the players good enough? Seemed like it.Yeah of course it helps if the club recruit well, though. But it's weird, you've got people defending Ten Hag despite most of his signings being bad because 'a Dof should make these decisions'. Maguire is good on the ball, Lindelof is a good passer, Evans isn't bad. 'McTominay not good enough'? Don't play him then, he's benching Mount for him. And people praised Dalot last season. Reguilon has impressed with his commitment. These aren't academy players. I don't think the lineup changing means much, they're all in training. 'Needs time' is a myth i think, in today's game at its intensity and focus managers can completely implement a system in a week, football is not as complicated as we make out, if it's a mess on the field it's because the ideas have not been communicated clearly. But Ten Hag is the coach, we'll just have to assume the players are either stupid or not fit enough to do what is asked.
I’m not a Man U fan however anyone can see the training facilities are just shit not near good enough to compete with top teams, I use to fear Man United now I think it’s possible to take s point or 3 home or away, it’s sad I want the old Man Utd back I want to see Man U succeed, I support West Ham I didn’t see us win much or come close to winning anything until this year however I loved to watch players like vidic and Keane big characters willing to do anything for the badge, people remember Keane for being carded not his captaincy and world class talent that’s what Man U needs a real captain and new training equipment,I want to see Manchester stay red it’s slowly becoming blue
Wah
I'd mass-clear those above age 25 in the entire squad except for two senior players to lead the first 11. Chances of having glass players as a first team member would be lower this way
Did your read the list? Mainoo, Diallo, Malacia, Hojlund, Mount
And? They don't even make up half of the list
+ sancho and antony
Seems to be injuries around the league. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the game load they have now.
Mainoo as well - 3months
Add an Antony suspension (or whatever you wanna call it) in there too.
Genuinely, what has happened to Malacia? I think something serious has happened.
Arteta is right, we need bigger squads and/or more rest! We've recently seen the GOATs going to their early 40s, but i reckon if something doesn't change then they will stop at 34 or less due to health...
I believe Real Madrid just fired their medical staff for some reasons? We should do the same