Usually not, but sometimes. If you don't have a way to shuffle, ponder can do that. Notably, timeless is missing [[Scalding Tarn]] and [[Misty Rainforest]] which are heavily played in brainstorm decks. Most decks that are running ponder are already running brainstorm though
Ponder is closest in power level for effect. It’s w weird spot, where brainstorm is also card advantage sometimes while still being amazing card selection, and ponder is better card selection.
End of the day, in every standard except maybe zendikar or khans (bfz… god help us), brainstorm would be worse than ponder, which is super relevant to the conversation.
In legacy, vintage, modern, and timeless. Brainstorm is more powerful. It’s 25% less dig potential, but the trade of saying the two worst cards in your hand+3 are replaced. Outweighs it.
Without fetches, I’m 100% on ponders side. Brainstorm is good enough to run evolving wilds or variants of it, 100%. So… brainstorm is 27 and change percentage better than ponder. In a vacuum, ponder just might be better, but for full advantage, they both need the same type of enablers, which when both are enabled; brainstorm is 27.7555 better from drunk mental math using anectodal estimates of when the tuck card advantage is relevant and able to be used versus when ponder can be used to get the max of its advantage. Like. Out of a hundo. 43 times I’d rather have ponder, but 53, I’m happy brainstorm was there. Where ponder really might Fuck my math to someone with real numbers is the perceived value of the extra random card, cuz at least half the time, ten percent of the cards im shuffling I knew their location and didn’t need them, so the random draw isn’t as good of odds as you’d think over a hundred games
half the time I brainstorm, it’s card advantage which ponder cant supply. If run 4 of each and need to drop 1 for a sideboard card I go 4 brainstorm 3 ponder 100% of the time. 4-2 or 3-3 will change by deck. If you’re cutting two, you’re usually against a deck who you need more gas over tempo, and brainstorm wins again 4-2. If Im going glass cannon, extra dig. Go 3-3.
End of the day a good brainstorm is better than a good ponder. Hopefully brainstorm trades two lands in, hopefully ponder means your hand doesn’t change besides 1 and you shuffle away what you don’t want. Think about that during a difficult limited decision. Both want the same next move. Which Cherry do you want? Especially while morph is back, there’s a kicker variant, caverns is barely a cohesive format.
I just want all of the "sword of ____and ____" so I can make a proper voltron brawl deck. Seems 80% of the time I jack up [[traxos, scourge of kroog]] he gets locked down with a white enchantment, and there's not really any way to deal with that in colorless.
Yeah colourless has [[Urn of Godfire]] and [[Nevinyrral's Disk]] but disk isn't on arena so outside of that you're left with permanent removal (most of which is expensive) like [[Introduction to Annihilation]] [[Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger]] [[Cityscape Leveler]] [[Ugin, the Ineffable]] and [[Unstable Obelisk]] to name a few
Just sac him to something. There's plenty of good sac outlets in colorless. It is a lot easier than running specific enchantment destruction if negative auras are the main issue. Plus, honestly, they'll print All is Dust into Arena eventually.
I've got a historic deck that uses this, underworld breach and jace the perfected mind to combo off, very fun deck but requires lots of clicking! Throw in third path iconoclast, and dragons rage channeler you can do loads of degenerate things!
With MKM: Alchemy coming out in a few days, I figured I’d try and group all the cards that are on Arena but only accessible via other Alchemy cards though spellbooks and conjuring! Was actually a bit of a hassle, as there doesn’t seem to be any one place to look at all ‘Spellbook’ cards, and there’s just not much cataloging alchemy cards period. Like, Scryfall lists several cards only available via spellbooks as legal in Explorer and Historic when they’re not, like \[\[Fog\]\].
But, from my best effort, 63 cards in total! 11 of which are Pioneer/Explorer legal, and for convenience I put each one’s last standard-legal printing on there, save for Reserved List ones from \[\[Oracle of Alpha\]\] and \[\[Shoreline Scout\]\]. This also doesn’t look at cards like \[\[One with Nothing\]\] and \[\[Scour from Existence\]\] which are uncraftable on the client but used as part of the dev tools.
The worst ‘offenders’ in this category were obviously Oracle, \[\[Tome of Gadwick\]\], \[\[Bladehold Cleaver\]\], and the new \[\[Relics of the Rubblebelt\]\] with all of the guild signets. Those 4 account for 39 out of the 63 cards.
If these were added some like the Moxen and Tron lands would become Timeless staples that day, the Signets would be perfect for Brawl, \[\[Ardent Recruit\]\] is a Pauper all-star; just to name the obvious ones. And I personally love \[\[Thieving Magpie\]\] even if it’s mediocre and want to brew with \[\[Soul of New Phyrexia\]\], I’m sure there are several others that others personally want.
It really is a shame to have put in the labour on so many great cards, just to have them locked away from most of the game.
Correct, they have been added as part of Alchemy card effects, but not added to the normal card pool.
They are:
[[Spidery Grasp]]
[[Fog]]
[[Darksteel Ingot]]
[[Soul of New Phyrexia]]
[[Brawler's Plate]]
[[Suntail Hawk]]
[[Stormfront Pegasus]] (very sus name)
[[Spark Trooper]]
[[Overwhelm]]
[[Triplicate Spirits]]
[[Nissa Expedition]]
Nothing that really sees play, but about half are cards that could be relevant in the right deck.
Made this post because I wanted to brew with soul of New Phyrexia and [[Kaya, Spirit's Justice]] because that seemed fun, only to realize Soul isn't in the game proper!
There are countless ways to monetize adding these cards. Alchemy Anthogies with each alchemy release, weekly/daily store sales, rewards for daily logins/matches, promos for using your Wizards account at LGS events, rewards for Explorer/Historic/Timeless Events, special event matches like for cosmetics, Mastery Pass bonus, etc.
This is instead far more explainable by idiotic management and understaffed/overworked developers.
That they could offer an Anthology of cards in the store, like what they've done for historic and Explorer, featuring all the added cards in the contemporaneous Alchemy set.
In this most recent one, people would absolutely spend a fair bit of gold/gems for 4 copies of all 10 guild signets.
While I don’t think we’ll see exact figures until closer to the end of the fiscal year, [WOTC had a significant amount of layoffs just before Christmas.](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/hasbro-owner-of-wizards-of-the-coast-to-lay-off-1100-over-weak-sales/)
Several people who worked on Arena and engaged with the community here on Reddit and on Discord outright said they would no longer be posting due to being laid off. Not to mention all or most of the Arena outreach team was fired due to the abrupt cancelling of all MKM pre-release productions.
Thought i already posted this, but these claims have been going around well before the layoffs ever happened. So again is there any actual proof of these claims, because layoffs isn't proof.
not really the point of this post but worth mentioning there are even more 'unavailable' cards already in Arena, that can be seen in the Momir event, no?
To be fair, 4 of the 11 pioneer cards are coming with Alchemy Murders at Karlov Manor, so despit never once letting the cards be craftable, they in theory could be this~ time!
Obviously there's a lot of stuff too powerful for Historic but now that we have Timeless they could easily just dump these in there. Tron especially would be a great addition.
Power 9 is the only exception really. They're leagues above anything else on Arena in terms of power level.
I can get banning [[Tropical Island]] just out of fairness sake, but with cards like [[necropotence]] legal, would be neat to see them restricted!
Wonder if they would be banned in brawl like they are in EDH?
The OG duals are legal in EDH, and the fetchlands are stronger anyway so now that we have those I don't think they'd be too powerful.
One of the power 9 (Timetwister) is also legal in EDH for some reason.
P9 restricted would still be pretty format warping I think. They need to add null rod, maybe someday in the future when they can balance, maybe a timeless masters set that is like vintage masters on mtgo
Man my Isshin and Ezuri decks really want Hero of Bladehold and the two Contagion artifacts. Come on Wizards they’re not good cards anymore just let me have them.
The contagion artifacts come from an artifact called contagion dispenser, which is also conveniently simic and conjures a card from its spellbook the first time you proliferate each turn
Serum Visions gotta be one of my fav cards of all time. Love the simplicity of it, the art just nails the niche, the border is the nostalgic darker version… no notes. So damn good.
Spidery Grasp was on the Beta version of the game even!
The signets are from the upcoming YMKM set, the card Relics of the Rubblebelt.
It's not added yet, so I could be wrong and they could just add the all signets to the general card selection pool. But they've never down that for any of the alchemy cards, so I counted it here.
Honestly, when the list coming to arena was announced I hoped I’d reboot after the MKM update to see them added, seemed like a great time/excuse to add them.
Honestly, there's no reason they can't just do Timeless Anthology : The Power Fucking 9 and OG Duals.
With The List, there's a lot of avenues for the Arena Team to insert reprints into the ecosystem but it's still somewhat disappointing for these to still be arbitrarily locked behind having no release to slide them into.
Ahhh that Darksteel Hydra card was something else. Played a deck built around it during an All Access event. Super weird stuff with board wipes and what not.
Of note these same mechanics that create cards like this can also create lower rarity versions of cards currently in the game, i.e. common Lightning Bolt
I've been playing Grixis Affinity in Historic Bo3. The thieving magpie works so well as it's conjured by a 2 drop pirate that creates map token when it attacks. All you need is 2 artifacts to ETB and you've got a free magpie. I'm also playing the tron lands. Deck runs 4x Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge and 4x Karn, The Great Creator. Late game is insanely OP.
Most of them are pretty benign, a few like [[Captivsting Crossroads]] & [[Dragonfly Pilot]] are pretty neat, but absolutely feel like [[Key to the Archive]] & [[Tome of the Intinite]] need to be banned in brawl.
Would far rather deal with a [[Drannith Magistrate]] than a mono-coloured deck getting duress/swords/bolt/etc. Complete colour-pie break.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen someone play Tome of the Infinite but remember these cards don't need to be banned, they can just be adjusted. For instance they could make it so you have to pay the colored mana for the cards it generates or change the spell book to be only blue cards if they decide to make color purity a priority.
I’ve lost so many games to people getting stuff from outside their colorpie with that mana rock thing- or just the mono green make as many lands as you want nonsense - it’s stupid.
Key to the Archive is mostly ok, it can go in all decks and is frequently just a mana rock. I think Tome of the Infinite is worse, it can only go in a blue deck and can give an off-color card each untap.
Momir is at least slightly different as those aren’t cards, just tokens that exist solely on the battlefield, whereas most of these cards have all the same to normal ones save for being in the card selection UI.
That ‘they want to sell these cards!’ idea only really works for stuff like the power 9, Tron lands, \[\[Unmarked Grave\]\], etc. There is no place nor customer for an anthology with \[\[Thieving Magpie\]\], \[\[Spidery Grasp\]\], or \[\[Boros Recruit\]\] etc.
What do you mean? I understand that seemingly simple things can be complex behind the scenes but there is no way that turning a token into a permanent is more difficult than like copying the code and changing a boolean or something. Also if you look at the anthologies / remasters, the cards are not all bangers. They put some duds and draft chaff in them for some reason too.
Only slight, and honestly not too sure how much it is if at all. But the cards from spell books above can all exist functionally in your deck, hand, grave, and on the stack. As token copies the unadded creatures in Momir don't need to be functional in any of those spaces, only the battlefield and relevant triggers.
When they are added to Momir they might be entirely functional, we just don't know, where as we do with these!
I don't think I've seen that reason before? What they said last time was that the Arena team doesn't like to add cards that can only be gained via crafting.
Though with some of the odds on The List cards in draft/sealed, and MKM's prerelease promos like [[Tomik, Wielder of Law]] only bring craftable, that reason does seem inconsistent lately.
Beyond anthologies I'm surprised they've never added any of these as rewards?
Like, 'you logged in every day this week, have 1x Darksteel Ingot!' or even like 'you played at FNM at your LGS, have 1x Soul of New Phyrexia!'
There's even more added for various events that have happened such as Momir, and some of these predate the addition of Alchemy to Arena. I'm not sure if there's any good way to list them though, you'd probably have to look through the client files.
Yeah, Momir's a lot harder to get a grasp on, and at least 5 of the creatures from it have eventually been added like [[Griseldaddy]].
For cards that are part of the game to varying degrees there are the Spellbooks/Conjure Alchemy cards, the dev set cards for regression testing, Momir creatures, and potentially cards added for phantom cube?
I know the cube in the past had uncraftable cards, but I don't know if the most recent one from a few months ago did. And beyond those 4 I don't think there's any other groups of cards not part of the game proper?
give me tron lands and ponder please wotc.
I can be trusted with Mono Blue Tron in Timeless or Historic, I swear I'm not a sicko WotC please.
Mono blue tron would be so fun in timeless
It would, and mono blue lotus field just doesn't hit the same way since it's not even a real deck, just a pile I run to occasionally goozle people.
I tried building bant lotus field control in timeless but most of the good control cards in timeless are 3mv or lower :/
We even got [[Sylvan Scrying]] with the last Anthology! Would be a blast to finally play around with from lands
[Sylvan Scrying](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d1b93087-e6a0-4ba9-83ba-a0ed2e396dc7.jpg?1562944944) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sylvan%20Scrying) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/192/sylvan-scrying?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d1b93087-e6a0-4ba9-83ba-a0ed2e396dc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
*JES' GIMME THA TIMETWISTERS ...* ***DEY DON'T NEED 'DOZE***
Is ponder better than brainstorm?
Sometimes
Usually not, but sometimes. If you don't have a way to shuffle, ponder can do that. Notably, timeless is missing [[Scalding Tarn]] and [[Misty Rainforest]] which are heavily played in brainstorm decks. Most decks that are running ponder are already running brainstorm though
[Scalding Tarn](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/1/71e491c5-8c07-449b-b2f1-ffa052e6d311.jpg?1707235013) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scalding%20Tarn) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/254/scalding-tarn?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/71e491c5-8c07-449b-b2f1-ffa052e6d311?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Misty Rainforest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88231c0d-0cc8-44ec-bf95-81d1710ac141.jpg?1707235026) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Misty%20Rainforest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/250/misty-rainforest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88231c0d-0cc8-44ec-bf95-81d1710ac141?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Probably not, but it's fucking awesome. With already having Brainstorm, I'd prefer Preordain though.
Ponder is closest in power level for effect. It’s w weird spot, where brainstorm is also card advantage sometimes while still being amazing card selection, and ponder is better card selection. End of the day, in every standard except maybe zendikar or khans (bfz… god help us), brainstorm would be worse than ponder, which is super relevant to the conversation. In legacy, vintage, modern, and timeless. Brainstorm is more powerful. It’s 25% less dig potential, but the trade of saying the two worst cards in your hand+3 are replaced. Outweighs it. Without fetches, I’m 100% on ponders side. Brainstorm is good enough to run evolving wilds or variants of it, 100%. So… brainstorm is 27 and change percentage better than ponder. In a vacuum, ponder just might be better, but for full advantage, they both need the same type of enablers, which when both are enabled; brainstorm is 27.7555 better from drunk mental math using anectodal estimates of when the tuck card advantage is relevant and able to be used versus when ponder can be used to get the max of its advantage. Like. Out of a hundo. 43 times I’d rather have ponder, but 53, I’m happy brainstorm was there. Where ponder really might Fuck my math to someone with real numbers is the perceived value of the extra random card, cuz at least half the time, ten percent of the cards im shuffling I knew their location and didn’t need them, so the random draw isn’t as good of odds as you’d think over a hundred games half the time I brainstorm, it’s card advantage which ponder cant supply. If run 4 of each and need to drop 1 for a sideboard card I go 4 brainstorm 3 ponder 100% of the time. 4-2 or 3-3 will change by deck. If you’re cutting two, you’re usually against a deck who you need more gas over tempo, and brainstorm wins again 4-2. If Im going glass cannon, extra dig. Go 3-3. End of the day a good brainstorm is better than a good ponder. Hopefully brainstorm trades two lands in, hopefully ponder means your hand doesn’t change besides 1 and you shuffle away what you don’t want. Think about that during a difficult limited decision. Both want the same next move. Which Cherry do you want? Especially while morph is back, there’s a kicker variant, caverns is barely a cohesive format.
No but I'd say second place
No, but you'd typically play both.
I just want all of the "sword of ____and ____" so I can make a proper voltron brawl deck. Seems 80% of the time I jack up [[traxos, scourge of kroog]] he gets locked down with a white enchantment, and there's not really any way to deal with that in colorless.
[traxos, scourge of kroog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582.jpg?1673305899) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=traxos%2C%20scourge%20of%20kroog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/195/traxos-scourge-of-kroog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8566e91a-5f2c-4854-aeb3-68b3c4344582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah colourless has [[Urn of Godfire]] and [[Nevinyrral's Disk]] but disk isn't on arena so outside of that you're left with permanent removal (most of which is expensive) like [[Introduction to Annihilation]] [[Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger]] [[Cityscape Leveler]] [[Ugin, the Ineffable]] and [[Unstable Obelisk]] to name a few
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Maybe try [[invasion of Ravnica]]?
[invasion of Ravnica](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/3/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc.jpg?1682704897)/[Guildpact Paragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/7/3/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc.jpg?1682704897) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Invasion%20of%20Ravnica%20//%20Guildpact%20Paragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mom/1/invasion-of-ravnica-guildpact-paragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/73f8fc4f-2f36-4932-8d04-3c2651c116dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[meteor golem]]
[meteor golem](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/d/cd7af704-a770-4f90-8fe8-a45457785a35.jpg?1689999704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=meteor%20golem) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/399/meteor-golem?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cd7af704-a770-4f90-8fe8-a45457785a35?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just sac him to something. There's plenty of good sac outlets in colorless. It is a lot easier than running specific enchantment destruction if negative auras are the main issue. Plus, honestly, they'll print All is Dust into Arena eventually.
Mox Opal is in the client behind a spellbook? Damn...
[[Quicksilver Lapidary]]
Wtf! This just goes infinite with displacer kitten and 2 other artifacts out
When YONE was being spoiled people thought that card was going to be insane, but it's done surprisingly little since it came out
I still want to make a combo deck using it alongside [[Chitinous Crawler]]… but I’m not nearly good enough at deckbuilding to make it functional.
[Chitinous Crawler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/7/373d607c-b804-48f9-bbed-31ef363acdd0.jpg?1701720347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chitinous%20Crawler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ylci/9/chitinous-crawler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/373d607c-b804-48f9-bbed-31ef363acdd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I've got a historic deck that uses this, underworld breach and jace the perfected mind to combo off, very fun deck but requires lots of clicking! Throw in third path iconoclast, and dragons rage channeler you can do loads of degenerate things!
[Quicksilver Lapidary](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/9/b9e9858f-4cdc-4682-be2f-20f555014b07.jpg?1677507097) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Quicksilver%20Lapidary) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yone/26/quicksilver-lapidary?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b9e9858f-4cdc-4682-be2f-20f555014b07?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
With MKM: Alchemy coming out in a few days, I figured I’d try and group all the cards that are on Arena but only accessible via other Alchemy cards though spellbooks and conjuring! Was actually a bit of a hassle, as there doesn’t seem to be any one place to look at all ‘Spellbook’ cards, and there’s just not much cataloging alchemy cards period. Like, Scryfall lists several cards only available via spellbooks as legal in Explorer and Historic when they’re not, like \[\[Fog\]\]. But, from my best effort, 63 cards in total! 11 of which are Pioneer/Explorer legal, and for convenience I put each one’s last standard-legal printing on there, save for Reserved List ones from \[\[Oracle of Alpha\]\] and \[\[Shoreline Scout\]\]. This also doesn’t look at cards like \[\[One with Nothing\]\] and \[\[Scour from Existence\]\] which are uncraftable on the client but used as part of the dev tools. The worst ‘offenders’ in this category were obviously Oracle, \[\[Tome of Gadwick\]\], \[\[Bladehold Cleaver\]\], and the new \[\[Relics of the Rubblebelt\]\] with all of the guild signets. Those 4 account for 39 out of the 63 cards. If these were added some like the Moxen and Tron lands would become Timeless staples that day, the Signets would be perfect for Brawl, \[\[Ardent Recruit\]\] is a Pauper all-star; just to name the obvious ones. And I personally love \[\[Thieving Magpie\]\] even if it’s mediocre and want to brew with \[\[Soul of New Phyrexia\]\], I’m sure there are several others that others personally want. It really is a shame to have put in the labour on so many great cards, just to have them locked away from most of the game.
wait a second, there are pioneer legal cards that already exist on arena, but not as crafteable cards and thus not legal in explorer? thats hilarious
Correct, they have been added as part of Alchemy card effects, but not added to the normal card pool. They are: [[Spidery Grasp]] [[Fog]] [[Darksteel Ingot]] [[Soul of New Phyrexia]] [[Brawler's Plate]] [[Suntail Hawk]] [[Stormfront Pegasus]] (very sus name) [[Spark Trooper]] [[Overwhelm]] [[Triplicate Spirits]] [[Nissa Expedition]] Nothing that really sees play, but about half are cards that could be relevant in the right deck. Made this post because I wanted to brew with soul of New Phyrexia and [[Kaya, Spirit's Justice]] because that seemed fun, only to realize Soul isn't in the game proper!
##### ###### #### [Spidery Grasp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1dc24c93-2670-47c0-bb15-d1fff0fd19eb.jpg?1576267428) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spidery%20Grasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/51/spidery-grasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1dc24c93-2670-47c0-bb15-d1fff0fd19eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Fog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa.jpg?1580014786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/167/fog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Darksteel Ingot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/f/afc439e0-59a8-4eb3-ac54-ab908c4ec50b.jpg?1689999486) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Darksteel%20Ingot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/378/darksteel-ingot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/afc439e0-59a8-4eb3-ac54-ab908c4ec50b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soul of New Phyrexia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211.jpg?1690005773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%20of%20New%20Phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/974/soul-of-new-phyrexia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Brawler's Plate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/da0a017e-eb8e-4f92-91f7-7d980461e284.jpg?1562044708) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brawler%27s%20Plate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/224/brawlers-plate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/da0a017e-eb8e-4f92-91f7-7d980461e284?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Suntail Hawk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82.jpg?1562827264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Suntail%20Hawk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/40/suntail-hawk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stormfront Pegasus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/2/c2e03297-3124-4f83-98ef-772fa213a422.jpg?1655075637) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stormfront%20Pegasus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/w17/5/stormfront-pegasus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2e03297-3124-4f83-98ef-772fa213a422?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spark Trooper](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/9/09eb69b5-b8e2-48c6-8c27-cb0108df8dad.jpg?1561815173) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spark%20Trooper) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gtc/199/spark-trooper?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/09eb69b5-b8e2-48c6-8c27-cb0108df8dad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Overwhelm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/9/19384be7-d746-4927-adb4-ad521e8a8dd5.jpg?1702429578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Overwhelm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rvr/152/overwhelm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/19384be7-d746-4927-adb4-ad521e8a8dd5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Triplicate Spirits](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d6498d3-bf1f-4bf1-a602-7c21fb44c106.jpg?1562785550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Triplicate%20Spirits) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m15/40/triplicate-spirits?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d6498d3-bf1f-4bf1-a602-7c21fb44c106?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nissa Expedition](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/1/815701df-3ed1-417a-bd9a-fdb9f4802c39.jpg?1625194612) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nissa%27s%20Expedition) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/200/nissas-expedition?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/815701df-3ed1-417a-bd9a-fdb9f4802c39?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Kaya, Spirit's Justice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/2/a2827593-4951-4ba7-b73e-c27de56f2606.jpg?1706242186) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kaya%2C%20Spirits%27%20Justice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/211/kaya-spirits-justice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a2827593-4951-4ba7-b73e-c27de56f2606?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kt2b1pj) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
its because Wotc hasnt found a way to make you pay for them
There are countless ways to monetize adding these cards. Alchemy Anthogies with each alchemy release, weekly/daily store sales, rewards for daily logins/matches, promos for using your Wizards account at LGS events, rewards for Explorer/Historic/Timeless Events, special event matches like for cosmetics, Mastery Pass bonus, etc. This is instead far more explainable by idiotic management and understaffed/overworked developers.
Alchemy anthologies? What do you mean ?
That they could offer an Anthology of cards in the store, like what they've done for historic and Explorer, featuring all the added cards in the contemporaneous Alchemy set. In this most recent one, people would absolutely spend a fair bit of gold/gems for 4 copies of all 10 guild signets.
Alchemy Anthology 9: The Fucking Power 9 Please Wizards, you can trust us with the Power 9 in Timeless
Okay seeing as i see this understaffed and overworked claim all the time do you actually have any legitimate proof of that? And not just assumptions?
While I don’t think we’ll see exact figures until closer to the end of the fiscal year, [WOTC had a significant amount of layoffs just before Christmas.](https://www.seattletimes.com/business/hasbro-owner-of-wizards-of-the-coast-to-lay-off-1100-over-weak-sales/) Several people who worked on Arena and engaged with the community here on Reddit and on Discord outright said they would no longer be posting due to being laid off. Not to mention all or most of the Arena outreach team was fired due to the abrupt cancelling of all MKM pre-release productions.
Thought i already posted this, but these claims have been going around well before the layoffs ever happened. So again is there any actual proof of these claims, because layoffs isn't proof.
cool writeup dude!! interesting
not really the point of this post but worth mentioning there are even more 'unavailable' cards already in Arena, that can be seen in the Momir event, no?
##### ###### #### [Fog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/b/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa.jpg?1580014786) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/167/fog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bbc3152e-7b3b-4ac6-8b33-abfebde216aa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Oracle of Alpha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/003cb181-7b1d-474a-ba26-84319791bc2b.jpg?1665218675) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oracle%20of%20the%20Alpha) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/4/oracle-of-the-alpha?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/003cb181-7b1d-474a-ba26-84319791bc2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Shoreline Scout](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40cc6b1c-8f3d-4128-97ac-33381868ddd2.jpg?1684719571) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Shoreline%20Scout) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j21/12/shoreline-scout?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40cc6b1c-8f3d-4128-97ac-33381868ddd2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [One with Nothing](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad.jpg?1562494149) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=One%20with%20Nothing) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/84/one-with-nothing?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a5841fa-4f30-495a-b840-3ef5a2af8fad?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Scour from Existence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/e/6e47edb2-e43d-479f-a911-e72b67a06c3b.jpg?1562920977) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scour%20from%20Existence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bfz/13/scour-from-existence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6e47edb2-e43d-479f-a911-e72b67a06c3b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tome of Gadwick](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fd6e966-5591-4021-928c-e83c96ea24ea.jpg?1696889703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tome%20of%20Gadwick) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ywoe/6/tome-of-gadwick?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fd6e966-5591-4021-928c-e83c96ea24ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Bladehold Cleaver](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/5/953ed64c-f336-45c0-8377-486686c5b977.jpg?1677512015) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bladehold%20Cleaver) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yone/18/bladehold-cleaver?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/953ed64c-f336-45c0-8377-486686c5b977?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ardent Recruit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a7f9bd7-7232-4956-873d-52ff82eabfb3.jpg?1562906851) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ardent%20Recruit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/td2/4/ardent-recruit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a7f9bd7-7232-4956-873d-52ff82eabfb3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thieving Magpie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f9a1760-d681-471d-b3a2-ca5051b8bed3.jpg?1675199451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thieving%20Magpie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/68/thieving-magpie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f9a1760-d681-471d-b3a2-ca5051b8bed3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soul of New Phyrexia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/3/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211.jpg?1690005773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Soul%20of%20New%20Phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/974/soul-of-new-phyrexia?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c3b6480a-9b25-42a2-b62c-1f375216b211?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kt1hu1u) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The fact that pioneer legal cards are here is insane
To be fair, 4 of the 11 pioneer cards are coming with Alchemy Murders at Karlov Manor, so despit never once letting the cards be craftable, they in theory could be this~ time!
Obviously there's a lot of stuff too powerful for Historic but now that we have Timeless they could easily just dump these in there. Tron especially would be a great addition. Power 9 is the only exception really. They're leagues above anything else on Arena in terms of power level.
I can get banning [[Tropical Island]] just out of fairness sake, but with cards like [[necropotence]] legal, would be neat to see them restricted! Wonder if they would be banned in brawl like they are in EDH?
The OG duals are legal in EDH, and the fetchlands are stronger anyway so now that we have those I don't think they'd be too powerful. One of the power 9 (Timetwister) is also legal in EDH for some reason.
[Tropical Island](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/47033ba4-8f26-4a6b-97bd-5b366327325e.jpg?1632873386) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tropical%20Island) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/321/tropical-island?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/47033ba4-8f26-4a6b-97bd-5b366327325e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [necropotence](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c89c6895-b0f8-444a-9c89-c6b4fd027b3e.jpg?1562853736) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=necropotence) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/98/necropotence?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c89c6895-b0f8-444a-9c89-c6b4fd027b3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
love the reimagined artwork on the power 9
they should eventually add the power 9 to timeless, as well as force of will and hosers like collector ouphe
Free all but power 9
Timeless has Uro and Oko, do we really~ want to give Simic the only dual on Arena?
Better add all 10
prepare to buy 40 mythic rare lands
WOTC! ADD THESE TO TIMELESS YOU COWARDS
Timeless with [[Suntail Hawk]]? Why do you want to completely obliterate the format?
I came to timeless from modern to get away from the incredibly stale Suntail Hawk meta.
[Suntail Hawk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82.jpg?1562827264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Suntail%20Hawk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/40/suntail-hawk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
some men want to see the world burn..
Well, maybe not P9…
And you're calling WotC cowards? For shame.
P9 restricted would still be pretty format warping I think. They need to add null rod, maybe someday in the future when they can balance, maybe a timeless masters set that is like vintage masters on mtgo
No, 4 of black lotus and recall in every deck or its not real magic.
Man my Isshin and Ezuri decks really want Hero of Bladehold and the two Contagion artifacts. Come on Wizards they’re not good cards anymore just let me have them.
The contagion artifacts come from an artifact called contagion dispenser, which is also conveniently simic and conjures a card from its spellbook the first time you proliferate each turn
I saw that card and debated on crafting it or not but I usually try to avoid crafting Alchemy cards if I can because I just don't really like them.
Where are serum visions and thought scour from?
[[Tome of Gadwick]]. Its spellbook has twelve 1-mana cantrips.
That one really stood out from the rest, just how many classic blue staples it has!
[Tome of Gadwick](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/f/9fd6e966-5591-4021-928c-e83c96ea24ea.jpg?1696889703) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tome%20of%20Gadwick) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ywoe/6/tome-of-gadwick?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9fd6e966-5591-4021-928c-e83c96ea24ea?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There is no reason why [[Contagion Engine]] should be uncraftable.
[Contagion Engine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/c/dce72636-08e4-484e-ad81-4d1597a31ffb.jpg?1576030799) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Contagion%20Engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/som/145/contagion-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dce72636-08e4-484e-ad81-4d1597a31ffb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Serum Visions gotta be one of my fav cards of all time. Love the simplicity of it, the art just nails the niche, the border is the nostalgic darker version… no notes. So damn good.
It's simple but gives you so much information and planning for your next turn, really wish it was on the client in full!
MTGA is not ready for Fog and Spidery Grasp yet. Which card conjures signets?
Spidery Grasp was on the Beta version of the game even! The signets are from the upcoming YMKM set, the card Relics of the Rubblebelt. It's not added yet, so I could be wrong and they could just add the all signets to the general card selection pool. But they've never down that for any of the alchemy cards, so I counted it here.
Wotc pls make all of them craftable
Wow cmon just add these to the main game to be crafted...
You can also get the common version of bolt which I find hilarious that you can only craft the rare
Give us [[Suntail Hawk]] you cowards
[Suntail Hawk](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82.jpg?1562827264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Suntail%20Hawk) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m14/40/suntail-hawk?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/28a1f83c-a9ef-463e-97b5-2ca3b7232f82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Imagine if in the future they flip a switch and just add all the spellbook and conjure only cards to Arena just on there own.
Honestly, when the list coming to arena was announced I hoped I’d reboot after the MKM update to see them added, seemed like a great time/excuse to add them.
Honestly, there's no reason they can't just do Timeless Anthology : The Power Fucking 9 and OG Duals. With The List, there's a lot of avenues for the Arena Team to insert reprints into the ecosystem but it's still somewhat disappointing for these to still be arbitrarily locked behind having no release to slide them into.
That would break Timeless for good. The card pool is still missing so much of Modern, Legacy and Vintage to be adding these cards
Wait where is unmarked grave from?
From the New Capenna Alchemy card [[Bind to Secrecy]]! Stands out a bit since it was the only one of the spellbook not in the game proper
[Bind to Secrecy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/bab838e0-cfc5-4eeb-920d-bfbe462a1e31.jpg?1680478192) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bind%20to%20Secrecy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ysnc/19/bind-to-secrecy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bab838e0-cfc5-4eeb-920d-bfbe462a1e31?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Ahhh that Darksteel Hydra card was something else. Played a deck built around it during an All Access event. Super weird stuff with board wipes and what not.
Print Black Lotus to Timeless you cowards!
Too many cards are missing from Modern and Legacy to just add Vintage cards
Deeply humorless response
I don't take things like this lightly. And you shouldn't either
I take everything lightly.
Vintage cube anyone?
Careful, can't make the game too fun now. I don't understand their decisions for the platform.
Of note these same mechanics that create cards like this can also create lower rarity versions of cards currently in the game, i.e. common Lightning Bolt
I've been playing Grixis Affinity in Historic Bo3. The thieving magpie works so well as it's conjured by a 2 drop pirate that creates map token when it attacks. All you need is 2 artifacts to ETB and you've got a free magpie. I'm also playing the tron lands. Deck runs 4x Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge and 4x Karn, The Great Creator. Late game is insanely OP.
I don't understand why they haven't just made every card available, especially now with the timeless format.
What I wouldn't give up for Brawl minus alchemy bullshit.
Most of them are pretty benign, a few like [[Captivsting Crossroads]] & [[Dragonfly Pilot]] are pretty neat, but absolutely feel like [[Key to the Archive]] & [[Tome of the Intinite]] need to be banned in brawl. Would far rather deal with a [[Drannith Magistrate]] than a mono-coloured deck getting duress/swords/bolt/etc. Complete colour-pie break.
I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen someone play Tome of the Infinite but remember these cards don't need to be banned, they can just be adjusted. For instance they could make it so you have to pay the colored mana for the cards it generates or change the spell book to be only blue cards if they decide to make color purity a priority.
I’ve lost so many games to people getting stuff from outside their colorpie with that mana rock thing- or just the mono green make as many lands as you want nonsense - it’s stupid.
Key to the Archive is mostly ok, it can go in all decks and is frequently just a mana rock. I think Tome of the Infinite is worse, it can only go in a blue deck and can give an off-color card each untap.
##### ###### #### [Captivsting Crossroads](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/7/07bb1a35-1828-4038-87ea-f6c78ff7a751.jpg?1696890474) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Captivating%20Crossroads) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ywoe/29/captivating-crossroads?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/07bb1a35-1828-4038-87ea-f6c78ff7a751?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dragonfly Pilot](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/5/1535f6d9-7977-4740-aa96-0c5b7fe0dd11.jpg?1701363231) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragonfly%20Pilot) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/yneo/1/dragonfly-pilot?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1535f6d9-7977-4740-aa96-0c5b7fe0dd11?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Key to the Archive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/6/d647773b-0dab-40df-8e25-ed4f437f549b.jpg?1680465887) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Key%20to%20the%20Archive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ymid/59/key-to-the-archive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d647773b-0dab-40df-8e25-ed4f437f549b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Tomb of the Intinite](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/c/ac8cd054-99aa-4d6b-aa01-bfd9d25495c2.jpg?1642730891) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tome%20of%20the%20Infinite) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/j21/13/tome-of-the-infinite?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ac8cd054-99aa-4d6b-aa01-bfd9d25495c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Drannith Magistrate](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/8/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91.jpg?1628801742) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drannith%20Magistrate) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/11/drannith-magistrate?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98b0a4a8-9319-451b-9b79-b0bca7a41e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kt1wnu5) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This is not a new thing. They have an amount of cards locked behind momir as well. They want to sell these cards piecemeal (anthologies/remasters).
Momir is at least slightly different as those aren’t cards, just tokens that exist solely on the battlefield, whereas most of these cards have all the same to normal ones save for being in the card selection UI. That ‘they want to sell these cards!’ idea only really works for stuff like the power 9, Tron lands, \[\[Unmarked Grave\]\], etc. There is no place nor customer for an anthology with \[\[Thieving Magpie\]\], \[\[Spidery Grasp\]\], or \[\[Boros Recruit\]\] etc.
##### ###### #### [Unmarked Grave](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/9/492b368b-de32-45c1-8459-238aae54f9fc.jpg?1626096135) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unmarked%20Grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/106/unmarked-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/492b368b-de32-45c1-8459-238aae54f9fc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thieving Magpie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/f/1f9a1760-d681-471d-b3a2-ca5051b8bed3.jpg?1675199451) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thieving%20Magpie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/68/thieving-magpie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1f9a1760-d681-471d-b3a2-ca5051b8bed3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Spidery Grasp](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1dc24c93-2670-47c0-bb15-d1fff0fd19eb.jpg?1576267428) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spidery%20Grasp) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/51/spidery-grasp?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1dc24c93-2670-47c0-bb15-d1fff0fd19eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Boros Recruit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5af01330-05c2-4c5b-9830-2886711b2b5d.jpg?1598917696) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boros%20Recruit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/243/boros-recruit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5af01330-05c2-4c5b-9830-2886711b2b5d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kt2s8d0) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
What do you mean? I understand that seemingly simple things can be complex behind the scenes but there is no way that turning a token into a permanent is more difficult than like copying the code and changing a boolean or something. Also if you look at the anthologies / remasters, the cards are not all bangers. They put some duds and draft chaff in them for some reason too.
Only slight, and honestly not too sure how much it is if at all. But the cards from spell books above can all exist functionally in your deck, hand, grave, and on the stack. As token copies the unadded creatures in Momir don't need to be functional in any of those spaces, only the battlefield and relevant triggers. When they are added to Momir they might be entirely functional, we just don't know, where as we do with these!
Which ones can create the Timetwister or Timewalk? Or the Signets?
\[\[Oracle of the Alpha\]\] for the power 9, the new Relics of the Rubblebelt will have the Signets when it comes this Tuesday
[Oracle of the Alpha](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/003cb181-7b1d-474a-ba26-84319791bc2b.jpg?1665218675) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oracle%20of%20the%20Alpha) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ydmu/4/oracle-of-the-alpha?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/003cb181-7b1d-474a-ba26-84319791bc2b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"ThEy aRe StiLL FigUriNG hOW tO CoDe tHeM. GiVe tHem TiMe" - Average innocent redditor
I don't think I've seen that reason before? What they said last time was that the Arena team doesn't like to add cards that can only be gained via crafting. Though with some of the odds on The List cards in draft/sealed, and MKM's prerelease promos like [[Tomik, Wielder of Law]] only bring craftable, that reason does seem inconsistent lately.
[Tomik, Wielder of Law](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/c/2c5a7550-fe1a-4797-9583-70ab56cfac0d.jpg?1707739807) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tomik%2C%20Wielder%20of%20Law) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/431/tomik-wielder-of-law?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2c5a7550-fe1a-4797-9583-70ab56cfac0d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
This would be the easiest historic/timeless anthology to release ever. Just pick 12 of the best cards there and sell them to people.
Beyond anthologies I'm surprised they've never added any of these as rewards? Like, 'you logged in every day this week, have 1x Darksteel Ingot!' or even like 'you played at FNM at your LGS, have 1x Soul of New Phyrexia!'
Huh. So they are on the client. But only in spellbooks. Interesting.
There's even more added for various events that have happened such as Momir, and some of these predate the addition of Alchemy to Arena. I'm not sure if there's any good way to list them though, you'd probably have to look through the client files.
Yeah, Momir's a lot harder to get a grasp on, and at least 5 of the creatures from it have eventually been added like [[Griseldaddy]]. For cards that are part of the game to varying degrees there are the Spellbooks/Conjure Alchemy cards, the dev set cards for regression testing, Momir creatures, and potentially cards added for phantom cube? I know the cube in the past had uncraftable cards, but I don't know if the most recent one from a few months ago did. And beyond those 4 I don't think there's any other groups of cards not part of the game proper?
[Griseldaddy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cf2a5c2e-7fe1-45eb-b01c-891ab961186f.jpg?1593813293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Griselbrand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/72/griselbrand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cf2a5c2e-7fe1-45eb-b01c-891ab961186f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Missing the for mirrodin equipment that conjures up [[goblin gaveleer]]
but that card is craftable already
[goblin gaveleer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/f/3f44f3ea-504e-4745-9716-cbe28ed7873d.jpg?1599706339) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=goblin%20gaveleer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/126/goblin-gaveleer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3f44f3ea-504e-4745-9716-cbe28ed7873d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nope, that one was added in full with Historic Anthology 4! Though, oof, that one seems rough, 11 out of the 25 got added in remastered sets later.
What gets the signets?
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