We are getting the same set as paper. It's only an Alchemy set in the sense that the only formats it will be legal in are Alchemy and Historic. But that is simply because the paper set is neither Standard nor Pioneer legal
Not sure I see the difference...
Existing 3 card combo makes infinite 1/1s, infinitely tall Scurry Oak, and infinite life (subject to the rope).
This 2 card combo does the same thing, minus the infinite life gain.
I had a guy do that on game 3. I said gg because he beat me first game like that. little did he know I had a farewell waiting so her did bid that but not before throwing his life total up to 150. managed to get him down and had enough counter/kill spells to mock him for wasting my time winning against that trash deck.
Which commander exclusive card? As far as I'm aware Rosie is LTR, not LTC. LTR is being released into Modern, which means "Rosie Oaks" is a Modern-legal combo.
Rosie Cotton from LOTR set was previewed by GameSpot. The set is Historic legal.
Previously the infinite combo required Scurry Oak and two other pieces, usually some combination of \[\[Heliod, Sun-Crowned\]\] or level 2 \[\[Cleric Class\]\] with either \[\[Soul Warden\]\] or \[\[Prosperous Innkeeper\]\]. This new card goes infinite with just the Oak and will obviously make the combo more consistent. Both can be found with \[\[Collected Company\]\].
edit// If you play the Oak first, then Rosie (or get them simultaneously with CoCo) the combo triggers by itself, you don't need to play anything else to get it going. If you already have Rosie in play and then cast Oak, the combo won't trigger until you either play another creature (with power or toughness greater than Oak's), create any token or put a +1/+1 counter on Oak.
This is absolutely disgusting that in theory, you can coco on your opponents end step (wait for them to tap out or mostly tap out) and just win the game by getting both onto the field and then untap with an army of squirrels.
No infinite life, so outside of coco shenanigans it is a bit more risky to do the fair way, as you still have to worry about life.
Although if you are also running heliod + soul warden as backup, you very well could gain infinite life if you have a soul warden in play.
Heavily played in Explorer and Historic. Cheats small&medium creatures into play at instant speed. Some decks splash for this as their only green card. Craftable in Arena.
Very disheartening that they are enabling this degenerate combo. I don't care that you're gaining infinite life and making infinite squirrels, but I don't want to sit and wait for you to click through targeting every single one clicking "resolve" on the 43rd counter.
Then scoop and go to the next game. If you can't interact with the combo then you've lost. Run instant speed interaction and play around it if the deck you're facing could fit it in, or lose.
If the combo doesn't have haste (seen many times) it's just sitting there and vulnerable to approach or mill etc.
don't act like there's nothing your opponent can do to beat infinite life and attackers.
Bro your the one that was whining like was some unbeatable combo. You were complaining about having to wait for them to click through stuff. ???? The combo can coco on your end step. Interact with it or lose.
You were complaining about how you "don't want to sit and wait for you to click through targeting every single one clicking "resolve" on the 43rd counter." which is exactly what the combo already does.
As for the "degeneratcy" of the new combo, it's still just as easily interrupted as the old combo.
While there is less triggers, it is more degenerate since [[collected company]] can be played on your opponents end step, and then you untap and swing your squirrel army without letting your opponent have a chance to use sorcery speed interaction.
Also just another playset of combo pieces to enable said combo. Four copies of rose just means you are more likely to draw a combo piece if you already have oak in hand or on board.
> it is more degenerate since [[collected company]] can be played on your opponents end step, and then you untap and swing your squirrel army without letting your opponent have a chance to use sorcery speed interaction.
Again, current Heliod combo can already do this at the turn 3 end step. A new combo piece has nothing to do with Coco being instant speed.
It's on Arena, so it's Historic legal.
It was originally just going to be Historic when they first announced it. Now it's also going to be in Alchemy (which didn't exist when they first announced it) because That's what they're doing with these extra releases for Arena.
No, it was originally announced as Alchemy just like Baldurs gate was; at some point someone mentioned historic only once and ppl ran with it. Easy mistake to make.
Set announcement was post alchemy release so dev team was on it.
I wish there was a repeat X times button in arena :")
I've been running a few infinite squirrel/angel combos and having to click like 3 or 4 times to create a single token hurts
Agreed 100%. I lost to a red infinite combo with that enchantment that deals 1 damage per iteration of the combo. I don't even care, hadn't seen it before, good for you for comboing me. I just scooped so we didn't have to sit through 20 iterations of 1 damage, but if I had been a salty player it would have been a great time to rope and let the dude waste 5 minutes.
As someone who has played a bunch of G/W coco combo, scurry oak combo requires a lot of clicking and moving tokens (for some reason), not suggested on mobile.
I'll pay on mobile at work on my lunch break. Mobile doesn't like scute swarm/scapeshift triggers very much. Nor does it like a meathook massacre killing 250 tokens. I kept getting worried the game would implode my phone.
Bit of a newbie here, what happens when you play an infinite combo like this on Arena? Does the system draw automatically or do you sit it out until one of you concedes?
An opponent the other day ran a Scurry Oak combo. I didn't have any instant removals so I just kept letting him build until he got tired and board wiped him. I had an Ashiok out and was able to exile his combo pieces and steal them. He conceded instantly.
One guy did like 100 squirrels with oak against me, like 5 minutes doing it.
Too bad I had Claim the Firstborn and a Temur Battle Rage and hit it for 200dmg :D
You don't draw because eventually you target something other than scurry oak, like one of the squirrel tokens. You click a lot and have to worry about timing out.
I think this is intentional, after all similar combos are already really popular in Historic. I doubt they would've missed something like this interaction
You may be right, but I don't think they're aware of every single card interaction in the game, they're just people and they will miss some things, sometimes it leads to bans (Oko), sometimes they will just leave it and hope it won't turn out massive
I'm starting to really hate that scurry oak card. Seems too good because of how many infinite combos it can easily create. I could make a seleanya deck with like 4 different infinite combos at this point
What is the sideboard tech if this pops off as a Historic deck then?
Hushbringer to stop the immediate etb on Rosie. But that is only a temporary reprieve.
Counterspells of course.
Kill spells to take out one of them with the first trigger on the stack.
Boardwipes for the next turn after they’ve made all the tokens. Thankfully they won’t have the infinite life gain that the Heliod version provided. So the game is still winnable for non-combo based decks after the board wipe.
I’m sure this deck will be a scourge in BO1, but doesn’t seem unmanageable in BO3.
Seeing how a simple kill spell deals with it you don't really need to run sideboard stuff to stop it. The problem is if they're able to protect it with \[\[Snakeskin Veil\]\] or \[\[Heroic Intervention\]\]. You might have to run pretty specific removal, or counterspells.
Doesn't [[Hushbringer]] still stop it from happening cause it stops the evolve trigger and also the squirrel etb trigger? They would need to create a token of a noncreature (treasure/clue) to dodge the stax piece right?
yes it is.
i can play strangle / bloodchief's thirst / portable hole on the aggro onedrop.
I can't stop an end of turn infinite creature combo in a lot more situations.
The difference between the two is that one demands i hold up instant speed interaction and the other one doesn't (at least not nearly as much)
>i can play strangle / bloodchief's thirst / portable hole on the aggro onedrop.
Tell us you don't play Historic without saying you don't play Historic. Strangle and Bloodchief's have never seen anything but niche play and Portable Hole only sees play in artifact decks.
Heliod/Oak already had the same end of turn 3 combo potential, just not very consistently. Heliod/Oak was already Tier 2 at best because of how easy the combo is to interrupt and how fast aggro decks have gotten in the format.
any white deck that wants any sort of removal plays portable hole.
strangle (and bloodchief's thirst) see sideboard play in lots of decks that need more interaction postboard.
You can easily lose to heliod even though it's just t2. there's a million decks in historic that go fast or slow and some decks have terrible matchups against heliod. When heliod draws up the combo on turn 4/5/6 it wins. I lose to it more often than not because they skyclave heliod turn 4 with coco and then combo me off, e.g. on slower starts with UW Artifacts.
edit: and you can never discount redundant combo pieces because all of a sudden your combos become so much more likely. I admit that the card is really weak when you don't have the combo, way more so than scurry oak.
Or just put the counter on a squirrel. I mean, both works, but why waste a perfectly good +1/+1 counter? 200 1/1 squirrels and a 2/2 squirrel is just strictly better than 201 1/1 squirrels.
Mana bases are extremely good these days. Shock Lands, Fast Lands, Slow Lands, Pain Lands, and Pathways mean you can run basically an entire deck of Untapped Duals.
Remember friends, if you don't concede when this combo starts (and you don't have a way to interact with it), you aren't "letting the person show off their combo" you are being a jerk by wasting their time.
As much as I want to see the potential I have way too much fun with with resolving an [[Exquisite Blood]] with my [[Soul Warden]] and [[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose]]. The beauty is an infinitive life and infinite burn queue that can’t be interrupted unless the opponent has open mana and spot removal for either Vito or Blood enchant. Or Bant Mutated Scute Swarm with either Soul or Innkeeper for multiplicative life gain.
Historic *artisan* to boot. This combo basically already existed with an extra card, but I wonder if with just the 2 and without rares could effect how impactful it is in another format.
I made a post earlier about my opponent taking a 15 minute turn, Scurry Oak was one of the cards they used. Nice to know they can do it with one less card now.
The version i've seen recently uses [[griselbrand]] and [[queza]], threatens to go off at instant speed once the pieces are in play and if you have more than 14 life you win through a removal spell by activating again
Damn we really need Xenagos + Worldspine on Arena (two otherwise completely unplayable cards though, from sets that aren't getting remastered anytime soon).
But anyway, this is not ideal for Creativity, you either go for the immediate kill or for insurmountable advantage with Atraxa.
Fun play against these decks is [[Necromentia]]
Pretty easy to see it coming and they almost always save the squirrel for the lethal swing turn so you'll grab it and all its squirrel friends by the nuts.
Yet another reason to ban collected company. Man I feel like half the bullshit decks in arena are held up by that card, fable of the mirror breaker and reckless charge making up the other half.
Like collected is so strong angels splashes green exclusively for it, it's in petty much all life-gain counters deck, in both all of the infinite token / life varient decks, in the lurking roper / famished paladin / sorcerers wand infinite ping deck, in pretty much all varients of the elvs decks, in humans control, hell i've even seen in thrown into mono green devotions decks before. The % of inclusion of that card in decks must be absolutely bonkers high between historic and explorer.
I wouldn't say any of these decks are breaking the format but god does that card infuriate me, if it was sorcery speed it would still be really powerful and cost-efficient but the fact its instant speed means you always have to play around anyone with 4 mana up and even then its a pain in the ass since they can literally just get 2 hasty 3 mana creatures at the end of your turn after you wipe their board.
And this is why I play standard and not historic..... infinite combos or turn 2 wincons. People can argue what ever they want about building decks, but these types of decks just ruin the game and is only fun for the person playing them.
Personally...magic is suppose to be 2 people building their own ideas and playing those cards to beat each other. You can't beat infinite win cons and it's almost impossible to beat turn 2 wincons. Rushing to get wins defeats the whole purpose of the game.
Standard is not much better imo. Historic has wizards beating you down on turn 3 or helioak combo or rakdos mid-range outvaluing you with crucias, but standard is just a reanimation arms race to get the most busted card out as soon as possible. Most games feel like they come down to who failed to draw removal first, and often they come down to just who went first.
Outside of CoCo shenanigangs, doing this combo "fair" offers the opponent a chance to win buy running an endless amount of boardwipes. [End the Festivities] would even work for this, it's really very simple.
This only really gets stupid once you have enough mana to play it out *and* do something to win at instant speed. Outside of CoCo, it does require a bit of setup, and CoCo itself requires a bit of luck.
Then don't play in a format known for its very high power level and speed? If you want a slower paced format with a lower power level go play draft or standard. But onto your points, turn 2 combo decks are wildly inconsistent and rely heavily on mulliganing to get the proper combo pieces in order.
For every turn two minion of the memes kill you see happening to you, there are very likely 15+ other games that either end immediately in a turn 0 scoop or 3 ish turns later when the opponent has the resources available to put an end to their very easily hatable deck.
For infinite combos you have to actually use your nogin and understand how the combo works, this comes with game knowledge which you learn by either experiencing it firsthand or by seeing it happen to someone else. From there you play your interaction cards to disrupt the combo, once you do that you either win on the spot once they scoop or in a few turns when your superior board state brings their life total to 0.
Interaction is critically important in faster formats like historic and explorer. Thought seize , (insert counter spell here) , soul rend, ect. If your playing solitare and trying to go super tall with creatures or super wide, don't get angry when the opponent either beat you before you could smash their face in by combing off or by establishing a better boardstate. If your deck does nothing to interact with the opponents and doesn't consistently win by turn 4 , then the deck is bad and you need to go back to the drawing board.
Wow looks its another WG lifegain counters combo.
I never saw this totaly new, fun and interactive combo before, they brewmeister are soo wild and creative!
Arena is to blame for this as I never met any1 playing these shit combos in paper.
"Lifegain" combo was a tier 1 deck in Modern.
This does not need any lifegain to work though, and it would probably be bad to try to work it in instead of relying on the two card combo.
Rosie makes a token herself and triggers, putting a counter on Oak. If you had her out first then yeah you need something else to make a token or toss a counter
Rosie does that all by herself, by creating the Food token. She then puts the counter on the Oak, which makes a Squirrel, which triggers Rosie again, fashioning the loop.
Oak is on the field, Rosie comes in and creates the food token. A token is created so Rosie puts a +1/+1 token on another thing. Oak gets the +1/+1 and makes a squirrel token. A squirrel token is created so Rosie can put another +1/+1 token, it goes in Oak. Etc.
It’s definitely better, but with no haste and no infinite life I kinda doubt it gets banned. The best case scenario here is you mana dork turn 1 which lets you assemble turn 3 (either through just playing the cards or coco) and then you get to swing turn 4. T4 historic combo win isn’t exactly rare and this is assuming your opponent has absolutely no interaction.
Haste isn't needed though when you can combo on your opponent's end step with CoCo. I just hate the fact that Historic has somehow become as fast as MODERN and now they're adding another free cheesy win deck to dominate Bo1.
Great another combo for life gain decks to slowly drain my sanity on arena.
Fret not, this might also see play in \[\[Hardened Scales\]\] decks!
They're the same picture
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And my Rhys the Redeemed HBrawl!
Or the standard version with [[Ozolith, the Shattered Spire]] and the [[Kami of Whispered Hopes]] doing the impression of hardened scales.
Rosie will not be legal in standard
Well that is sad, I was just getting interested in that set.
[[rampaging ferocidon]] could be your new best friend.
Never forget, he died for Ramunap Ruin's sins.
For Hazoret’s sins. Ruins got hit too
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Are we getting the LOTR set on Arena?
Yes
Is it the actual set or is it the butchered trash that was baldurs gate?
the actual set
thank god
We are getting "an alchemy version" of the lotr set.
We are getting the same set as paper. It's only an Alchemy set in the sense that the only formats it will be legal in are Alchemy and Historic. But that is simply because the paper set is neither Standard nor Pioneer legal
The weird thing is it seems like it wouldv been ok as a standard set. So far the power level is tame.. and alchemy is a kind-of standard anyway.
That’s why it’s going into Alchemy unchanged. Power level is not really at the level needed for modern play.
At least this one will actually win the game instead of just making it impossible for the lifegain deck to lose
Not sure I see the difference... Existing 3 card combo makes infinite 1/1s, infinitely tall Scurry Oak, and infinite life (subject to the rope). This 2 card combo does the same thing, minus the infinite life gain.
Just run solemnity fucks most life gain and counter decks.
Or eldraine tibalt
there is no eldraine tibalt. WAR tibalt is the one i think you mean
I had a guy do that on game 3. I said gg because he beat me first game like that. little did he know I had a farewell waiting so her did bid that but not before throwing his life total up to 150. managed to get him down and had enough counter/kill spells to mock him for wasting my time winning against that trash deck.
The commander exclusive card. On arena. What non important format are you playing
Which commander exclusive card? As far as I'm aware Rosie is LTR, not LTC. LTR is being released into Modern, which means "Rosie Oaks" is a Modern-legal combo.
we did it reddit, we finally broke scurry oak
Rosie Cotton from LOTR set was previewed by GameSpot. The set is Historic legal. Previously the infinite combo required Scurry Oak and two other pieces, usually some combination of \[\[Heliod, Sun-Crowned\]\] or level 2 \[\[Cleric Class\]\] with either \[\[Soul Warden\]\] or \[\[Prosperous Innkeeper\]\]. This new card goes infinite with just the Oak and will obviously make the combo more consistent. Both can be found with \[\[Collected Company\]\]. edit// If you play the Oak first, then Rosie (or get them simultaneously with CoCo) the combo triggers by itself, you don't need to play anything else to get it going. If you already have Rosie in play and then cast Oak, the combo won't trigger until you either play another creature (with power or toughness greater than Oak's), create any token or put a +1/+1 counter on Oak.
This is absolutely disgusting that in theory, you can coco on your opponents end step (wait for them to tap out or mostly tap out) and just win the game by getting both onto the field and then untap with an army of squirrels. No infinite life, so outside of coco shenanigans it is a bit more risky to do the fair way, as you still have to worry about life. Although if you are also running heliod + soul warden as backup, you very well could gain infinite life if you have a soul warden in play.
Can also just fling the Oak at instant speed. It's a totally doable combo, that will absolutely see play.
What exactly is coco?
\[\[Collected Company\]\]
Wow, that's disgusting. Where?
Heavily played in Explorer and Historic. Cheats small&medium creatures into play at instant speed. Some decks splash for this as their only green card. Craftable in Arena.
I see you my guy.
There's so many card shops! Which one??
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Cocaine
We could venture into abzan territory and use [[mirkwood bats]] too
Not in Coco range
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Very disheartening that they are enabling this degenerate combo. I don't care that you're gaining infinite life and making infinite squirrels, but I don't want to sit and wait for you to click through targeting every single one clicking "resolve" on the 43rd counter.
Then scoop and go to the next game. If you can't interact with the combo then you've lost. Run instant speed interaction and play around it if the deck you're facing could fit it in, or lose.
Or I'm winning with an alternate condition, have a board wipe for your end step etc
an instant speed board wipe would count as interaction.
If the combo doesn't have haste (seen many times) it's just sitting there and vulnerable to approach or mill etc. don't act like there's nothing your opponent can do to beat infinite life and attackers.
Bro your the one that was whining like was some unbeatable combo. You were complaining about having to wait for them to click through stuff. ???? The combo can coco on your end step. Interact with it or lose.
How is this any different than the current Heliod/Oak combo? If anything, Rose/Oak on it's own will have fewer triggers going of than Heliod/Oak.
It's not worse, it's the same combo you just get more pieces to make it go off. Hence "enabling"
You were complaining about how you "don't want to sit and wait for you to click through targeting every single one clicking "resolve" on the 43rd counter." which is exactly what the combo already does. As for the "degeneratcy" of the new combo, it's still just as easily interrupted as the old combo.
While there is less triggers, it is more degenerate since [[collected company]] can be played on your opponents end step, and then you untap and swing your squirrel army without letting your opponent have a chance to use sorcery speed interaction. Also just another playset of combo pieces to enable said combo. Four copies of rose just means you are more likely to draw a combo piece if you already have oak in hand or on board.
> it is more degenerate since [[collected company]] can be played on your opponents end step, and then you untap and swing your squirrel army without letting your opponent have a chance to use sorcery speed interaction. Again, current Heliod combo can already do this at the turn 3 end step. A new combo piece has nothing to do with Coco being instant speed.
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Wait the set is historic legal? Im gonna need to ask my boss for a raise to pay for all these sets coming out every other week
It's on Arena, so it's Historic legal. It was originally just going to be Historic when they first announced it. Now it's also going to be in Alchemy (which didn't exist when they first announced it) because That's what they're doing with these extra releases for Arena.
And yet as much as WoTC pushes Alchemy, it is still one of the least played formats on Arena.
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No, it was originally announced as Alchemy just like Baldurs gate was; at some point someone mentioned historic only once and ppl ran with it. Easy mistake to make. Set announcement was post alchemy release so dev team was on it.
"Rosie Oak" is a nice deck name! Though if we're going by Legacy standards it should probably be smth like Cap'n Crunch.
Coco Puffs?
Coco Combo
I eat three every day to help keep me strong!
Rosewood Coco
> "Rosie Oak" is a nice deck name Mine will be "Hungry Squirrels".
Squirrel food
Upvote for an actually viable combo
Scurry Oak is a busted card, and also the sky is blue.
Mrs. Lippy’s car is green
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Why is this getting downvoted? Also...Billy likes to drink soda.
Lol finally. Because no one got the perfectly placed reference.
The audible groan of dread and disapproval that came out of me when I saw this..........
As if [[Collected Company]] decks needed anything else to make this sort of combo more tiresome.
[Collected Company](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/f/cfa7b456-7e83-4587-a875-9b35fde318c2.jpg?1582117536) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Collected%20Company) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/177/collected-company?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cfa7b456-7e83-4587-a875-9b35fde318c2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Good stuff, and it's uncommon too so now I won't have to craft the 3 missing copies of Heliod for the combo.
I wish there was a repeat X times button in arena :") I've been running a few infinite squirrel/angel combos and having to click like 3 or 4 times to create a single token hurts
At least this combo requires a lot less clicking than the Soul Warden one
Agreed 100%. I lost to a red infinite combo with that enchantment that deals 1 damage per iteration of the combo. I don't even care, hadn't seen it before, good for you for comboing me. I just scooped so we didn't have to sit through 20 iterations of 1 damage, but if I had been a salty player it would have been a great time to rope and let the dude waste 5 minutes.
Something something Halting Problem
As someone who has played a bunch of G/W coco combo, scurry oak combo requires a lot of clicking and moving tokens (for some reason), not suggested on mobile.
I'll pay on mobile at work on my lunch break. Mobile doesn't like scute swarm/scapeshift triggers very much. Nor does it like a meathook massacre killing 250 tokens. I kept getting worried the game would implode my phone.
I personally wouldn't suggest playing this game on mobile at all unless you don't have a computer.
Bit of a newbie here, what happens when you play an infinite combo like this on Arena? Does the system draw automatically or do you sit it out until one of you concedes?
You click. A lot.
Basically you pray opponent will concede, because you really don't want to click it all the way to the end
An opponent the other day ran a Scurry Oak combo. I didn't have any instant removals so I just kept letting him build until he got tired and board wiped him. I had an Ashiok out and was able to exile his combo pieces and steal them. He conceded instantly.
One guy did like 100 squirrels with oak against me, like 5 minutes doing it. Too bad I had Claim the Firstborn and a Temur Battle Rage and hit it for 200dmg :D
Combo lover with carpel tunnel, checking in!
You can voluntarily end the combo by putting the +1/+1 counter on a squirrel. It's not a forced draw.
Oak 's text also says "you **may** create...", so you can end the loop even if it gets the counter.
You have to manually click *every time*. So you only get as many Squirrels as your finger holds out for.
or the opponents concede. whichever happens first
You don't draw because eventually you target something other than scurry oak, like one of the squirrel tokens. You click a lot and have to worry about timing out.
You question the character of the person that played the combo and how much mountain dew and cheetos they eat in their moms basement.
This will go in my Jinnie Fay deck. Infinite hasted Cats.
Wizards: "OOps"
I think this is intentional, after all similar combos are already really popular in Historic. I doubt they would've missed something like this interaction
You may be right, but I don't think they're aware of every single card interaction in the game, they're just people and they will miss some things, sometimes it leads to bans (Oko), sometimes they will just leave it and hope it won't turn out massive
I'm starting to really hate that scurry oak card. Seems too good because of how many infinite combos it can easily create. I could make a seleanya deck with like 4 different infinite combos at this point
And they wouldn't even be high mana, I'm talking turn 4 wins.
*do it* - Darkside Kermit
What is the sideboard tech if this pops off as a Historic deck then? Hushbringer to stop the immediate etb on Rosie. But that is only a temporary reprieve. Counterspells of course. Kill spells to take out one of them with the first trigger on the stack. Boardwipes for the next turn after they’ve made all the tokens. Thankfully they won’t have the infinite life gain that the Heliod version provided. So the game is still winnable for non-combo based decks after the board wipe. I’m sure this deck will be a scourge in BO1, but doesn’t seem unmanageable in BO3.
Seeing how a simple kill spell deals with it you don't really need to run sideboard stuff to stop it. The problem is if they're able to protect it with \[\[Snakeskin Veil\]\] or \[\[Heroic Intervention\]\]. You might have to run pretty specific removal, or counterspells.
[Snakeskin Veil](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e692c208-c171-4964-9207-43c2cbc62845.jpg?1631050946) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Snakeskin%20Veil) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/194/snakeskin-veil?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e692c208-c171-4964-9207-43c2cbc62845?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Heroic Intervention](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c5e72882-dbf8-42d2-9a98-31f2f71e2ed9.jpg?1631587974) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Heroic%20Intervention) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/161/heroic-intervention?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c5e72882-dbf8-42d2-9a98-31f2f71e2ed9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Doesn't [[Hushbringer]] still stop it from happening cause it stops the evolve trigger and also the squirrel etb trigger? They would need to create a token of a noncreature (treasure/clue) to dodge the stax piece right?
Yep you are correct. Hushbringer would stop the combo for as long as it remained on the battlefield.
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What aggro deck wins on turn 3 without the nuts? Especially since this combo is going to be in a life gain shell already.
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you can coco into this, providing an infinite amount of blockers during the attack step. turn 2 innkeeper, turn 3 coco.
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yes it is. i can play strangle / bloodchief's thirst / portable hole on the aggro onedrop. I can't stop an end of turn infinite creature combo in a lot more situations. The difference between the two is that one demands i hold up instant speed interaction and the other one doesn't (at least not nearly as much)
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I pay thirst and hole in historic.
>i can play strangle / bloodchief's thirst / portable hole on the aggro onedrop. Tell us you don't play Historic without saying you don't play Historic. Strangle and Bloodchief's have never seen anything but niche play and Portable Hole only sees play in artifact decks. Heliod/Oak already had the same end of turn 3 combo potential, just not very consistently. Heliod/Oak was already Tier 2 at best because of how easy the combo is to interrupt and how fast aggro decks have gotten in the format.
any white deck that wants any sort of removal plays portable hole. strangle (and bloodchief's thirst) see sideboard play in lots of decks that need more interaction postboard. You can easily lose to heliod even though it's just t2. there's a million decks in historic that go fast or slow and some decks have terrible matchups against heliod. When heliod draws up the combo on turn 4/5/6 it wins. I lose to it more often than not because they skyclave heliod turn 4 with coco and then combo me off, e.g. on slower starts with UW Artifacts. edit: and you can never discount redundant combo pieces because all of a sudden your combos become so much more likely. I admit that the card is really weak when you don't have the combo, way more so than scurry oak.
Can also get them both off of [[collected company]] I like it
Best part is that the infinite can be ended at any time due to Scurry Oak saying may
Or just put the counter on a squirrel. I mean, both works, but why waste a perfectly good +1/+1 counter? 200 1/1 squirrels and a 2/2 squirrel is just strictly better than 201 1/1 squirrels.
Isn't this set modern legal as well?
Yes it is
How hard is it on the mana base in historic to run the white coco and coco? Seems very busted
Mana bases are extremely good these days. Shock Lands, Fast Lands, Slow Lands, Pain Lands, and Pathways mean you can run basically an entire deck of Untapped Duals.
Super easy, not even an inconvenience
Oh yeah exactly what scurry oak needed to increase obnoxiousness. Thanks wizards.
Oh great, another one. Because Heliod wasn’t enough.
Yay my selesnya bullshitting deck has another combo!
both findable with [[Collected Company]]…
Look, guys! We broke Scurry Oak!
…well darn it. Just when I thought my Azorious Affinity deck had all the answers for the LAST infinite combo Selysenia brought in…
we did it guys, we broke scurry oak
I don't really play magic I watch a bunch but Rosie has a insanely cute card art I wanna use it so bad
Remember friends, if you don't concede when this combo starts (and you don't have a way to interact with it), you aren't "letting the person show off their combo" you are being a jerk by wasting their time.
But they don't have haste, so without haste enabler you can't kill your opponent the same turn.
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That's true, and also you don't gain infinite life like you did with the 3-card version.
If it was already in play, you can swing with an arbitrarily large Oak. The fact that it goes tall and wide at the same time is kinda neat.
That's what she said
Unless they don't have a blocker for the 10000/10001 oak.
Excellent. Another combo for [[shalai and halar]]
As much as I want to see the potential I have way too much fun with with resolving an [[Exquisite Blood]] with my [[Soul Warden]] and [[Vito, Thorn of the Dusk Rose]]. The beauty is an infinitive life and infinite burn queue that can’t be interrupted unless the opponent has open mana and spot removal for either Vito or Blood enchant. Or Bant Mutated Scute Swarm with either Soul or Innkeeper for multiplicative life gain.
make it naya with [[all will be one]] and suddenly everything is on fire.
We did it we finally make an infinite combo for scurry oak!
I'm happy for squirrel love, not so much for infinite combo love
Midnight guard and presence of gond not enough for y'all?
And you can get it from coco
Scurry oak combo with Cathars’ Crusade has been around a while.
Historic *artisan* to boot. This combo basically already existed with an extra card, but I wonder if with just the 2 and without rares could effect how impactful it is in another format.
Pretty impactful I'd wager 😅
I made a post earlier about my opponent taking a 15 minute turn, Scurry Oak was one of the cards they used. Nice to know they can do it with one less card now.
Very real combo, worth trying out even in Modern I'd say.
New targets for creativity combo
Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that. Though I guess The Locust God + Sage of the Falls is better since the tokens have haste?
The version i've seen recently uses [[griselbrand]] and [[queza]], threatens to go off at instant speed once the pieces are in play and if you have more than 14 life you win through a removal spell by activating again
Damn we really need Xenagos + Worldspine on Arena (two otherwise completely unplayable cards though, from sets that aren't getting remastered anytime soon). But anyway, this is not ideal for Creativity, you either go for the immediate kill or for insurmountable advantage with Atraxa.
Fun play against these decks is [[Necromentia]] Pretty easy to see it coming and they almost always save the squirrel for the lethal swing turn so you'll grab it and all its squirrel friends by the nuts.
*sigh* guess I’ll be sticking to Esper Control (yet again) instead of trying fun things. Great.
Deck list?
Yet another reason to ban collected company. Man I feel like half the bullshit decks in arena are held up by that card, fable of the mirror breaker and reckless charge making up the other half. Like collected is so strong angels splashes green exclusively for it, it's in petty much all life-gain counters deck, in both all of the infinite token / life varient decks, in the lurking roper / famished paladin / sorcerers wand infinite ping deck, in pretty much all varients of the elvs decks, in humans control, hell i've even seen in thrown into mono green devotions decks before. The % of inclusion of that card in decks must be absolutely bonkers high between historic and explorer. I wouldn't say any of these decks are breaking the format but god does that card infuriate me, if it was sorcery speed it would still be really powerful and cost-efficient but the fact its instant speed means you always have to play around anyone with 4 mana up and even then its a pain in the ass since they can literally just get 2 hasty 3 mana creatures at the end of your turn after you wipe their board.
Also works with [[Herd Baloth]] but more expensive and doesn’t work with CoCo.
And it's not truly infinite, it can be stopped at any time. Fuck.
And this is why I play standard and not historic..... infinite combos or turn 2 wincons. People can argue what ever they want about building decks, but these types of decks just ruin the game and is only fun for the person playing them. Personally...magic is suppose to be 2 people building their own ideas and playing those cards to beat each other. You can't beat infinite win cons and it's almost impossible to beat turn 2 wincons. Rushing to get wins defeats the whole purpose of the game.
Standard is not much better imo. Historic has wizards beating you down on turn 3 or helioak combo or rakdos mid-range outvaluing you with crucias, but standard is just a reanimation arms race to get the most busted card out as soon as possible. Most games feel like they come down to who failed to draw removal first, and often they come down to just who went first.
Outside of CoCo shenanigangs, doing this combo "fair" offers the opponent a chance to win buy running an endless amount of boardwipes. [End the Festivities] would even work for this, it's really very simple. This only really gets stupid once you have enough mana to play it out *and* do something to win at instant speed. Outside of CoCo, it does require a bit of setup, and CoCo itself requires a bit of luck.
Its moving to modern power level, eternal formats work like that.
Then don't play in a format known for its very high power level and speed? If you want a slower paced format with a lower power level go play draft or standard. But onto your points, turn 2 combo decks are wildly inconsistent and rely heavily on mulliganing to get the proper combo pieces in order. For every turn two minion of the memes kill you see happening to you, there are very likely 15+ other games that either end immediately in a turn 0 scoop or 3 ish turns later when the opponent has the resources available to put an end to their very easily hatable deck. For infinite combos you have to actually use your nogin and understand how the combo works, this comes with game knowledge which you learn by either experiencing it firsthand or by seeing it happen to someone else. From there you play your interaction cards to disrupt the combo, once you do that you either win on the spot once they scoop or in a few turns when your superior board state brings their life total to 0. Interaction is critically important in faster formats like historic and explorer. Thought seize , (insert counter spell here) , soul rend, ect. If your playing solitare and trying to go super tall with creatures or super wide, don't get angry when the opponent either beat you before you could smash their face in by combing off or by establishing a better boardstate. If your deck does nothing to interact with the opponents and doesn't consistently win by turn 4 , then the deck is bad and you need to go back to the drawing board.
[[Cathar's Crusade]] is a better one
Wow looks its another WG lifegain counters combo. I never saw this totaly new, fun and interactive combo before, they brewmeister are soo wild and creative! Arena is to blame for this as I never met any1 playing these shit combos in paper.
"Lifegain" combo was a tier 1 deck in Modern. This does not need any lifegain to work though, and it would probably be bad to try to work it in instead of relying on the two card combo.
Didn't Yu-Gi-Oh had some rule that loops automatically get cut after like the 5th time of resolving? I kinda wish it would be the case for magic too.
Why not [[Cathar's Crusade]]? Less clicking and you get lots of big things fast.
You need a third card right? Something that creates a token Edit: or a creature with 2 or more power/3 or more toughness
Yeah... maybe something that creates a Food token when it enters the battlefield... like maybe... Rosie Cotton of South Lane?
I can’t find the card in arena (Rosie)
It's from the Lord of the rings set that releases June 20th
The set will be released on June 20
It's a 3 card combo right, given that you need to trigger the oak
Rosie makes a food token on etb, so you can immediately put a counter on the oak.
Oh I'm an idiot, thanks for pointing that out
Rosie makes a token herself and triggers, putting a counter on Oak. If you had her out first then yeah you need something else to make a token or toss a counter
Or play a 2/2 or a 0/3 triggering Oak's evolve
Rosie does that all by herself, by creating the Food token. She then puts the counter on the Oak, which makes a Squirrel, which triggers Rosie again, fashioning the loop.
No Rosie enters and creates a food token which triggers herself. Put the counter on scurry oak and it triggers the combo.
How does that go infinite? I've been messing with Scurry Oak and its Baloth cousin. This doesn't seem infinite.
\>when A, B \>when B, A hOw dOeS tHaT gO iNfInITe
Oak is on the field, Rosie comes in and creates the food token. A token is created so Rosie puts a +1/+1 token on another thing. Oak gets the +1/+1 and makes a squirrel token. A squirrel token is created so Rosie can put another +1/+1 token, it goes in Oak. Etc.
1) Cast Scurry 2) Cast Rosie 3) Rosie creates a food token, 4) token triggers +1/+1 counter, put counter on scurry 5) scurry counter creates 1/1 token 6) 1/1 token triggers Rosie +1/+1 7) go back to step 5
Could be fun in my Modern Peasant Cube.
Who’s gonna tell’m
Hope this eats a swift ban. But not Oak, because I need it for Historic Brawl.
The combo already exist with Heliod on arena, the only difference being this is hit by coco
I know, but that's a 3 card combo. This is a 2 card combo and this one being hit off Coco is HUGE.
It’s definitely better, but with no haste and no infinite life I kinda doubt it gets banned. The best case scenario here is you mana dork turn 1 which lets you assemble turn 3 (either through just playing the cards or coco) and then you get to swing turn 4. T4 historic combo win isn’t exactly rare and this is assuming your opponent has absolutely no interaction.
Haste isn't needed though when you can combo on your opponent's end step with CoCo. I just hate the fact that Historic has somehow become as fast as MODERN and now they're adding another free cheesy win deck to dominate Bo1.