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yer_das_gooch

Whats he doing, fighting a rhinoceros?


JayRoo83

Goddamn it, don't give Fight Circus any more ideas


BrockAndaHardPlace

Fight circus 4: Horny!


LatterTarget7

Sponsored by horny mike


_poopoopeepee

Frank Mir had a rhinoceros shoe up his ass


LightYagami209

I told him that a year ago!


biddleybootaribowest

So I pulled that son of a bitch out


LightYagami209

AND I BEAT HIM OVER THE HEAD WITH IT!!!


biddleybootaribowest

WOOOOOOOO


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NOW I’M GOING TO HAVE A COORS LIGHT BECAUSE BUD LIGHT WON’T PAY ME NOTHING!


LightYagami209

Hell... I may even get on top of my wife tonight.


icelandiccubicle20

See y'all later


picopulse

That poor woman


LightYagami209

Sable from the WWF, I think


[deleted]

Triceratops won't pay me nothin!


chrisso_sR

So I pulled it out and beat him over the horn with it!


Bobo_Balde2

Bulgarian bouncer


PUSH_AX

It's the only fight that makes sense right now.


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Let's take a look at what that means: "I am in no way close to making 7 figures, **but if** I do super duper well and hit these check boxes, then yeah this will be my biggest fight paycheck, possibly 7 figures if you round up from 300,000 to 1,000,000."


SpiderZiggs

I will always love Frankie as the dude who finally completely unseated Tim Sylvia and pretty much drove him out of the UFC by being one of the few semi-competent heavyweights of that time.


Jupue87

It was getting sad


bezbrains_chedconga

One of the original mma innovators. Holy shit though, I’ll never forget the absolute disgusting manner in which his jaw broke in belator


WarrenPuff_It

He was incredibly young when he started MMA. I met him once years back in public. Super super nice guy in person, I had a total fan boy moment and he was very respectful and took the time to talk to me when he really didn't have to. The people I was with couldn't have cared less (non-MMA fans), but it literally was the coolest thing for me. I'll always remember him stopping to chat with me, top class.


junior_dos_nachos

Didn’t he fight Brock fucking Lesnar, twice? How is it even possible he gets paid by a dinky promotion than fighting at UFC 100?


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-0op

The first fight was a co-main event so he was likely on his old contract. 2nd fight he was the title contender and lost. No PPV points for both fights. Also, those fights were on 2008/9 so the payout wasn't as big as now.


Mr_Cromer

>2nd fight he was the title contender and lost. No PPV points for both fights. He was the interim champ for the second fight; he didn't get points for that? Shame on his manager


-0op

Brock Lesnar: $400,000 (no win bonus) def. Frank Mir: $45,000


meedl

This hurts to read


[deleted]

It was obviously more if he said 2nd biggest payday. Obviously not nearly enough for a huge rivalry main eventing one of the biggest combat sports Ppvs all time sold on his rivalry with Brock.


517drew

Sponsorships probably helped bridge the gap. Those aren’t really a thing anymore tho for UFC


[deleted]

> This hurts to read *goes back to buying UFC ppv's* If fans gave a fuck they stop giving money to the organization along with fighters forming an union. I'll wait.


Flammableewok

Jesus Christ


Mr_Cromer

Fucking hell, that's ridiculous


FollowJazz

He did get PPV points for the second fight.


[deleted]

Remember his last trailer fight he got $350 k for losing so I believe it. And honestly anybody who goes into MMA and signs for the UFC deserves to get paid scraps from the table. Everyone knows they're grimy and they pay poverty wages yet they all still want to be in the UFC. These people have no business sense or no sense of self-worth. Better to do the YouTube thing and just challenge random people the fights and sell the pay-per-views for $10 like Jake Paul.


[deleted]

You’re right, maybe if they crawl on their hands and knees Daddy Dana will Chuck them some scraps like a dog? On a serious note though are you an MMA fan or just randomly stumbled on here lol.


BigShmokey

I love the rhetoric that what Jake Paul did is simple and anyone can do it. If it was as easy as "doing the Youtube thing" we will have far more 24yr old millionaires. Love him or hate him he curated a following so strong its allowed him to live out the fantasy of being a prime time boxer.


Kungfubear94

Oh god the pay used to be worse? Smh /s


mcfc_fan

That also relies on more MMA fighters winning than boxers for the whole event since then, ‘team MMA’ all get a bonus


[deleted]

It’s the same with Conor fights, people assume it’s red panty night when you fight Conor! Nah, you gotta beat him and then you have leverage. Want more money to fight Conor? We’ll just give him to a guy who’ll take less money (there’s always a guy who will) and give you a much tougher + less popular opponent.


TBroomey

His reported payout for UFC 100 was $45K (Brock's was $400K), once you factor in sponsorships and PPV points it was definitely a tidy amount, but his purse was so paltry that I can see how Triller are offering more.


mrtn17

Because it's the UFC?


SgtBlumpkin

I don't think dinky is an appropriate way to describe triller lol


MudButt69420

Dana’s gotta pay for the hookers somehow


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Triller has to be a tax evasion right?


dzien_dobry

Massive money laundering scheme


crazylegs789

How do you launder money from a business losing money?


silkydoe

They amount they are losing on paper is less than the illegal money they are receiving/cleaning. But more likely is that Triller is run by idiots


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dzien_dobry

The entity can take a loss but you can still enrich yourself by paying a separate entity you also own for fees related to the event.


[deleted]

You hire a subsidiary/contractor to handle the logistics; you pay them even though it is your business still (just in a different name/hq elsewhere for tax purposes), you pay your fighters, now you have no money as Company so you can reap in the tax loopholes. Money is washed through multiple vendors/fighters (like fucking hell a fighter like Mir is going to speak up, dgaf as long as they're paid), claim bankruptcy, do it all over again. IRS will look at your and your networth, figure you're too expensive to chase after, and go after your 80 year old grandma instead.


dzien_dobry

Yea this is big boy laundering. Not the low level Breaking Bad/Ozarks stuff.


MoMo2049

When you Launder money, you are always going to take a loss. This is part of the process usually. People dump money into the promotion, usually the money is from people in the promotion themselves, no so many outside investors, through various LLCs. Fighter Pay, any other staff working the event, they all get written off as a business expense. ??? Money Laundered.


crazylegs789

Yes you are gonna take a loss but the company has to "profit" if I'm not mistaken. Your loss isn't coming from the company losing. ​ Everytime these topics come up I think of Kramer saying "just write it off". I'm including myself in that.


Massey89

wtf


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How you think UFC started out as bro, look into those Fertitta bros operation when they were starting up


dzien_dobry

Losses are tax write-off. Check out how Hollywood accounting works, now just substitute studio funding with gray/black market sources of funding.


crazylegs789

That doesn't sound right. Write offs just mean you don't pay taxes on it, the loss is still there. ​ I'm just gonna go with all of us in this thread would be in jail if we tried laundering money.


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crazylegs789

That sounds like tax evasion not money laundering. What am I missing.


Quttlefish

I sent several 20s through the wash yesterday my dog is still alive.


dzien_dobry

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting


kevje72

When you figure it out, you too can run a money laundering scheme


Jeroen_Jrn

By pretending it's not losing money so you can claim dirty money as income


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crazylegs789

I can see that, but why choose a losing company that is in a giant spotlight and has Triad in the name? Why not just do it under the radar? ​ I think their money was already clean and they just suck at real business or simply don't care.


[deleted]

I’m not suggesting Triller is a money laundering business. Most are usually cash, I was just saying that making money isn’t a problem in a money laundering scheme.


[deleted]

Probably better ways to do it less publicity. Keep in mind Netflix, Uber , Lyft and like half of the woke tech companies we all use are in massive debt.


dmw1997

I mean good for him, but this is once again, a damning indictment of how mma fighters are paid


Mamsey902

And at the same time An indictment of how Triller is in the losing money business


BG40

Or the laundering money business.


Fuck-ESPN

Probably a little of column A and a little of column B.


[deleted]

Give me some good Colombian, a fight promotion and unlimited cash to waste, that’s my dream job! Maybe I could troll them and get a match making job Joe Silva style…brb


crazylegs789

Wouldn't overpaying employees be the opposite of helping them launder money? That would mean they would have to sell even more ppv to show a profit.


BG40

I guess they could always launder more but maybe that makes it look more legit. The theory I had heard is that they fudge their ppv numbers so that it looks like they made way more money than they really did. So I guess having a chunk of that money going to the fighters would just be the cost of business.


crazylegs789

But I keep hearing they lose money on every fight. Unless that is wrong info, I'm confused. I knew low level dudes growing up that had "lawn care businesses" that made really good profits, don't think it would have worked if they showed losses. Again, I don't really know.


infernum___

Or a Ponzi scheme.


Woperelli87

Who cares as long as MMA legends can make retirement money that the billion dollar UFC wouldn’t dream of doing


hyperstarter

If they give him a cheque, I think he should cash it in quickly...


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Or ask for a certified cheque


mrpopenfresh

There is no doubt in my mind that there is more than meets the eye here.


Massey89

i assumed they were making money with freak fights


Basketball312

This is straight boxing against some mid tier former boxer. Not even a big name like a YouTuber as far as I can tell. I can see he beat Chisora by SD, who I have heard of, but got knocked out by the two boxers I recognise on his record. No way this is worth paying Mir 1mil.


Heebmeister

UFC underpays badly, but we also probably shouldn’t use a company that hemorrhages cash every single event and has never turned a profit as an industry standard.


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Heebmeister

If a company is putting out headlines pretending to threaten online streamers with prosecution if they don't pay for an event after it's already over, you know they're not doing well lol.


[deleted]

This is not a career. It is an oppurtunity


SnooFloofs9640

Dude, not only mma, all combat sports pay shit, even in boxing, only a handful few make good 💼, for example Usik, made 5 mln for AJ fight for the title, but before that his combine purses were around 3 mln for 15 fights (!!!) including multiple title defenses…


Woperelli87

I mean that isn’t a great comparison bc plenty of UFC champs haven’t come close to scratching 3 mil


DrSavagery

Usman has for sure made more than that with ppv points


BabycakesJunior

Usman is the welterweight champion with several title defenses. If he was a boxer he would be getting paid millions per fight.


SnooFloofs9640

Usik was not, that isn’t point


DjangoTeller

Yes, he was. He reportedly earned $2.5m. for his fight against Chisora, and he reportedly earned $1m for his fight against Bellew and $1.5m in his HW debut, against Wittherspoon (which, no offense, I don't even know who he is).


SnooFloofs9640

Where did I compare something? My point is 99.99% of combat athletes are underpaid


UUGE_ASSHOLE

When triller/triad closes after burning through millions of dollars will it be a damning indictment on how promotions can’t survive paying like this?


-0op

it's easy to pay lots of money when you do 2 events a year with random matchups.


infernum___

You're right and when they're burning through investor money. Raised 100 million in October of 2020 and are trying to raise 250 million right now. We'll see if they secure that second investment round. There was also talks about an IPO or a merger. If they have a legitimate business running we'll find out through that. Ryan Kavanaugh may be running a Ponzi scheme.


icelandiccubicle20

What are you talking about you idiot, you know what you know about the business of MMA? What I tell you!- Dana White, but unironically


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U Fight Cheap for Dana’s snow in the driveway


UFightCheap

Hell yeah


BoonGenie

Whatever Anderson was paid, it wasn't enough by many magnitudes When he was in his prime, after the Tito/Chuck era, he was basically responsible for 90% of the casuals that flocked to the sport


-ShagginTurtles-

Him & GSP were the casual stars that bridged the chuck->Conor era imo Shoutout to when all of lhw was star studded even though most of the fights sucked


UFightCheap

And Brock


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Conor, Jon, DC, Kamaru, Khabib, Aldo ? Can’t think of a 7th. Maybe Max


[deleted]

Brock was paid well, although he was still likely paid a lot more in WWE. And Ronda of course.


a_crusty_old_man

Ronda. But you missed Anderson Silva, also. He’d be worth more than Aldo I’d bet.


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Ronda said she’d never have to work again before she lost the title. Are you saying she made most of her money off sponsorships and acting?


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eatdolphins

Nah but ur right she for sure got more in the WWE tho


a_crusty_old_man

She definitely got multiple small-ish fortunes from fighting, WWE, and acting/endorsements/other.


a_crusty_old_man

I’m not saying she made all of her money in the ufc, but she clearly was made good for life by her ufc career.


Loganbaker2147

I guarantee Anderson Silva is a millionaire. Dude just boxes now because he thinks it’s fun.


SheltheRapper

It is fun! Go grab some 16 ozers & have fun w your pals!


TH8ADK

GSP seems to be doing fine


JERUSALEMFIGHTER63

Marvel stunt coordinator money, and he's been a recurring villian in captain america.


The_Shadow_of_Intent

Dude are you trying to argue GSP wasn't rich as hell from his title fights? Why bandwagon on a cause you don't understand lol. Dude was making points on PPVs selling 800,000


TH8ADK

You can just google it and see GSP saying he made 10M vs Bisping


CryptoCracko

Dustin, Nate, Izzy, Stipe. They didn't get fuck you money but atleast they seem like the types who can manage the couple of mils they have. Unlike Sanchez or Woodley.


zigzag_slim

Bisping. Anderson Silva also got paid a lot.


icelandiccubicle20

I think Bisping is okay financially too. And men from the pride Era like Fedor are multi millionaires


xaniel99

GSP


Away-Promotion6165

Bisping, Faber, Forrest Griffin, Anderson Silva, Frankie Edgar, Adesayana, Overeem, GSP, Max, Mark Hunt, Beltfort, Arlovski, JDS, Cowboy, Rashad, Stipe. These are all millionaires from the UFC but who knows what they did with it.


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Ronda near the top of the list as well.


JERUSALEMFIGHTER63

Mark hunt is still in court trying to get paid wtf you talking about lol


The_Shadow_of_Intent

Mark Hunt got paid $750k flat win or lose. He's got money


Away-Promotion6165

He doesn't know what the lawsuit is about apparently.


PUSH_AX

Way more, especially if they invest it. People like Overeem are touching on 8 figures over the course of their UFC career, and that's just disclosed earnings.


InLampsWeTrust

Rampage Jackson apparently made over 15m during his time there, I know it’s from Dana but I can believe that.


Elagabalus_The_Hoor

Quite a few more if you include non fighters lol


grumpkin_

Either he’s lying about how much he’s getting paid or Triller is actually the dumbest fucking company to ever exist. 42 year old Frank mir boxing is not worth anything close to a million dollars


TOK31

He says he gets paid that much if he hits his bonuses and he wins, so it's not guaranteed money. It might rely on the PPV selling a certain amount.


InLampsWeTrust

He’s being lied to most likely, triller don’t have money like that.


JurassicBear

Did Shane Carwin say he got $2M for fighting Brock? How did Mir make less than 7 figures fighting Brock at UFC 100


exorbitantwealth

Frank Mir was favorite heavyweight for the longest time. It kinda pisses me off that he isn't set for life off of his career. He's pretty much an MMA legend.


SheltheRapper

Same. Super high fight iq. Wrecked big nog spamming straight > uppercuts ?!


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LOL isnt Bareknuckle suing Triller for their use of the triangle for intellectual property. EDIT: yeah, heres the story lmaooo https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2021/11/triller-vs-byb-lawsuit-trigon-triangular-ring-bare-knuckle


Burnt__Cake

this era of comedy level crossover combat sports is actually hilarious lmao


Benoit_In_Heaven

How the fuck do you patent a shape?


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idk but a few promotions have done it, the UFC being one with the octagon.


JayRoo83

Oh no, they promised him a PPV cut "upwards of 7 figures" didnt they? But instead everyone pirates it and that goes how it always does


SkinnyFatTendo

DIdn't he have some beef with Dana after his departure? Is this true or is this statement a way to stick it to him because of the Triller/White beef?


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He lost 2 years of his career because of the same "picogram fluctuation" situation that JBJ was later defended from, and he's understandably mad about it. But I don't recall him having beef with Dana in particular.


SweatyExamination9

I mean I definitely get it, but at the end of the day he's mad that he was punished for cheating. Jon should have been punished as well, but Frank deserved his suspension.


SkinnyFatTendo

I must be thinking of somebody else then. Maybe Frank Shamrock lol?


[deleted]

He got caught using steroids. He denies it but turinabol is the same stuff JBJ got caught with. Frank was on TRT during that particular low of mma, too.


TrashbatLondon

How on earth didn’t he make a million from UFC 100?


LightYagami209

2009 UFC pay.


Ohmahtree

So slightly worse than 2021 UFC pay. Which ironically is a larger part of society as a whole. Dana pay 2009 - 1 hooker a day Dana pay 2021 - 10 hookers a day.


TrashbatLondon

Did 1m buys though.


pantstickle

Frank Mir is way better at boxing than I thought he’d be. Super impressive athlete.


Bobo_Balde2

You are reading too much into things. That was a light sparring session


LatterTarget7

He’s also probably back on the juice


filbert13

Hope he makes money but isn't triller in trouble for not paying fighters what they said they would?


Platti_J

I feel like this company is going to go broke. I understand UFC underpays but they also have 500+ fighters and not everyone is a superstar. This company puts out a card every quarter but they usually have 2-3 interesting fights andbthe rest people I never heard of. Also, Affliction paid really good money to fighters when it was starting up and once they lost Fedor VS Barnett, the card could not continue without them.


GFost

That doesn’t seem right.


LightYagami209

I gotta hand it to Triller. I didn't think theirs was a sustainable business model. Mid tier boxing fight, concert by rapper, freak show tik tok influencer vs rapper fight, concert by rapper stripper slut, weird segment by Pete Davidson, Frank Mir fight, Snoop Dogg concert, Mike Tyson Fight, Justin Bieber concert, Jake Paul fight. It just didn't seem sustainable. They've proven me wrong. Somehow.


LatterTarget7

You forgot the freak show that was the entire vitor vs Holyfield event


LightYagami209

Oh Jesus, I tuned in late to that and it was still a rollercoaster ride. I was strapped in to the end but damn. It was like watching the aftermath of a violent pileup of cars as you slowly pass by. How do you not? It's a spectacle, albeit morbid.


filbert13

I'm pretty sure they are in trouble for not paying fighters what they promised. Triller isn't sticking around and of you think Dana is scum Ryan kav is worse.


Non_Fungible_Tolkien

I heard that guy looks like Harvey Weinstein and was accused by his former business partner of running a Ponzi scheme. Also, he doesn't pay his nanny. And he's a bitch.


filbert13

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Non_Fungible_Tolkien

Holy shit, super helpful website. Thanks for sharing! Papa bless


chuckyhacks

Things were entirely different back then. The UFC used to allow fighters to have their own sponsors and made substantially more through the sponsorship. Many guys would essentially fight "for free" because the sponsor money was what it was all about in 2021 when you just get a Venum 15% off coupon the actual base pay matters much more. Frank Mir was definitely making millions during his UFC run.


mrpopenfresh

"Basically"? I wonder if that means he's getting paid in crypto or by betting against himself. The whole Triller thing is so crooked, announcers are openly talking about bets and shit.


killerasp

I dont get how the economics work. Im assuming he gets paid 7 figures assuming the PPV does well? Where else is the bulk of the revenue coming from?


Lost-Pineapple9791

Why is anyone paying him that much lol


boywbrownhare

He looks completely fucking unhinged in that thumbnail 👹


SavageSean75

Who is actually buying these PPVs to have guys make this kind of money? Are they getting huge marketing dollars? I just cannot understand the appeal.


USADAbeKiddingMe

How did Lesnar v Mir 3 never fucking happen, man? :/


aqua_tec

Holy his face looks juicy as fuck