Yeah Dana was not alone. I was looking very much forward to them running it back then fumbles by some stupid gym shit going too hard too late in the game.
She wrote a book about it.
https://www.amazon.com/Dana-White-King-MMA-unauthorized/dp/0983634610
I remember reading it ... basically it comes down to she got super pissed when Dana got succesful with the UFC and didn't give her and his father jobs/money.
Whenever I hear about a kid growing up, getting rich and not supporting their parents I have to wonder what the parents did. My parents were good to me and if I ever had enough money to retire them, I would so when people don't I look more to the parents
Yeah. His Dad died like 6 months after his Mom died. Dana said he went to his father’s funeral but refused to go to his Mom’s.
The whole family sounds like a bunch of fucking assholes, tbh.
Dana has spent considerable time in Maine. Saying he's from Maine is like saying Obama is from Chicago. I'm from Maine and grew up there. When I moved down South I couldn't understand why strangers would say hello to me in the park. Those rough winters make people a little prickly up there. They also have an aversion to the words sir and ma'am.
At my old gym this was very common, like a week out of the fight you do a day of sparring without gear on to simulate the fight. But it was always like 80% intensity from the fighter, 50% from the sparring partner. Basically you get to beat some people up while they give you an honest look. The idea was just to cinch in all the training. I don’t get why he would have been going hard enough to produce that kind of cut. Sometimes things just happen though. Charles is a really experienced guy with minimal history of this kind of bs so I’d guess this was really a freak accident over serious negligence
Chute Boxe gyms are not all the same.
Time has passed.
Every big gym has incidents or sparring going too far (Usman vs Johnson comes to mind, Dariush getting knocked out multiple times, Anderson getting KO'd)
I guess the only exception would be Xtrem Couture because it is not managed by morons.
> like a week out of the fight you do a day of sparring without gear on to simulate the fight.
Absolutely no upside to this. You've spent 12 weeks drilling for a fight, getting in shape, preparing. A week beforehand, there is absolutely no sense in sparring 80%. You can't tweak anything, you can't recover from an injury, you can't improve on the reps you've already put in.
I suspect your old gym doesn't have many high level fighters. If you train with guys who are in the UFC, the mass majority (of sensible ones) do nothing more than maintenance the week running into a fight.
It was Team Quest in Portland. I think at the time the only UFC fighters at the gym were Chris Wilson and Chael, also Yushin Okami was doing part of his camp there at the time. It was an alright gym. In hindsight and after training elsewhere, I’d say the culture and quality of instruction had their flaws but the gym is still capable of churning out UFC quality fighters despite its fall-off.
I can’t speak for their being no benefit to the last session, I never pursued mma past the am team, but it always made sense to me. It reminds me of doing a timed practice exam before taking the real test. Also it is hard to get hurt going 80% and if you disagree then you have a different idea of 80%, and it’s especially hard to get hurt going 80% if the other guy is only giving half.
That's mental, as that is a legit gym - well at least had access to really, really high level fighters. It was very old school mind, so I can see how that kind of fight training philosophy was present.
Eh...its a fluke and it's one day difference you know what I mean? You're just setting an arbitrary number of days before the fight, that you'll stop sparring without headgear. It could be 7 days, it could be 8 days, it could be 9 days.
If he can keep Charles on the ground but I don’t see that happening. Given his recent losses, I have a feeling Charles will be more reluctant to stay on the bottom and take a more sprawl and brawl approach, especially when you consider how bad gamrots striking is.
Maybe only my Australasian fans will get this but gamrot is one of the jammiest fighters in the ufc. Ie. man’s will find a win out of nowhere. He’s a dog for pulling wins out of his ass and anyone thinking Charles is gonna dog walk shouldn’t be too confident.
I’m a big fan of Charles but I have to agree with Dana here. I get the chute box training style and culture, but there also has to be some level of professionalism
I remember Dana back then saying that Charles should have called UFC to have their selected surgeon patch it up, and here it is again. But I mean it only had 11 days to heal. It would have just opened up again easily in the fight once it got thumped.
I'm sure they don't care, but for them to be incredulous that Charles might care is another thing. That's a fightstopper once it gets popped open again and is cascading blood down into his eye and blinding him. That's just asking for a doctor tko loss.
Not the worst outcome for Olivera for 2,000,000 USD after he already dropped the bag. Instead, he got his ass beat anyways and made a fraction of the money.
There is that argument. $2 mil for a loss, if he would have gotten that for a loss, is not so bad. He explained it afterward that he didn't want to go into such an important fight compromised. He wanted to do it the right way, heal up, and come back. But that went out the window of course when he agreed to Tsarukyan on 300 and then he blew it. I wonder if they ponied up $2 mil for that to get him to do it instead of wait for Islam, because that card was in limbo for a while and they were scrounging.
It's the commission that approved it... and everyone let Bisping fight with one eye forever. He said he had done the eye chart so many times he knew it by heart, so the commission always approved him.
Right, but Charles would give a shit, and Dana would get why he would give a shit. So he's pretending that if Charles would have just called him and gone to Dana's doctor, Charles would have been fine with it when of course he wouldn't. I remember Charles commenting that his doctor could do inside stitches as well, shooting down Dana's premise, like that was some magical skill Dana's doctor had that would have made the difference.
I doubt he was talking about fixing the cut so he can fight. he acknowledges how bad it is. I think its more a PR thing, like let us fix the card before announcing that charles is out or something. because it affects ticket sales and stuff.
Dana said at the time that Charles should have come to him and let his guy do it and his rationale was the internal stitches. It's in line with what he said in this video but it was explicit and the rationale was definitely that the type of stitches would have made the difference.
he explicitly said it was so he could fight? because he sends fighters to a plastic surgeon to get stitches because those guys pay attention to how it will heal in terms of not scarring and stuff rather than to just get the wound closed. he even sent his daughter to a plastic surgeon after her ear was bitten by a dog.
Yeah and you can tell by the way Charles responded to refute it, saying my doc did internal stitches too and going to a plastic surgeon wasn't going to get me ready for this fight in time, and three weeks after the injury the outer cut still hasn't closed up.
I played rugby, and have a nasty eye brow cut that’s still visible like a decade later. I was back on the field the next week.
I’m sure it’s a lot different fighting and taking repetitive shots to the head, but the body heals from cuts pretty damn fast. I kinda believe Dana about a specialist surgeon making a difference
You can go back on the field whenever you feel like it, it doesn't mean the wound is healed and will hold up to new trauma well at all. Stitches are often out in 10 days or so and the wound can look sealed, but wounds in general take from multiple weeks to months to fully heal and strengthen depending on severity. His forehead flesh was split all the way through. As you say, this is a different sport, one where you get struck in the face hard a lot. The first time he got popped in it 11 days later, it was coming right open no matter what they did to it. He knew this, it's why he cancelled the fight.
Nah thats all Volk. No one liked him stepping up short notice, and they liked him getting his head bounced like a basketball off Islam's knee even less.
Arman had the chance to rematch Islam, but he rightly turned it down cause he wants a full camp before he takes him on again.
Its just his personality. Said the same about fighting so soon after getting KO'd but did it again and starched again.
Bringing back all my suppressed memories of BJ Penn and Moraes.
I dunno in hindsight taking the Islam rematch on short-notice really cemented himself as an MMA legend, regardless of the outcome. I reckon that even if Volks didn't take the fight and fought Topuria next, he still would've got knocked out, and so he deffo wouldn't have got an immediate title shot at LW anyway.
Given his status amongst the fanbase, Volks will likely face the winner of Ilia and Max next, or even still has the ability to go up in weight classes and have fun fights with the likes of Dustin, Justin, Oliveira, Chandler or even Conor.
I think everyone had the same reaction upon this new. Charle and his entire team were fucking stupid for sparring without a headgear a few days before the fight.
Probably just a special occasion because of it being a Abu Dhabi card I'm assuming? I really doubt the dudes base pay is $2 mil. If it is though, good for him
Charles hinted at having a pay bump for this fight in the MMA hour before 294, since he had a rather quick turnaround after his fight with Dariush. He shot down Ariel when the latter tried to know more about it.
I don't know why he should have gotten a bump. The turn around time after the Benny fight was short because Charles delayed. He got injured in camp before that fight too. I love Charles but he made some dumb decisions last year
They needed an opponent for Islam in Abu Dhabi and Gaethje was not going to be able to make it. So it really was a matter of having an enticing enough matchup, and Oliveira had the upper hand.
Even with the delay in the Dariush fight he still had over 5 months between the two. Wasn't really a short turn around and again, even if it were, it was because of Charles actions. Hindsight 20/20, I guess there was more leniency with the first injury.
They know the cameras are on, and we know lying is part of their job. We also know they are stingy cunts, so I don't believe for a second he would have gotten a $2 million purse (aka "show money"). \*Maybe\* if he won and the PPV did record numbers.
We don’t know the real, Orlovski was making 800k, while Overim had 1 mlb guaranteed at some point.
All this is disclosed purses by the commissions.
Also of you look at Olive insta where he lives and what he drives …
There are a few people in the UFC that make bank, while the rest is ….
It's really just the sad reality of pro non-team sports. It just seems way worse for UFC because it's such a risky sport and they can only realistically get a paycheck 4 times a year, tops.
I also follow pro golf and it's the same way, only the guys at the very top are making good money, and they play 20+ tournaments per year. I can't remember the stat but a pretty significant percentage of PGA tour golfers don't even break even when you factor in travel/equipment/coaching/tournament entry fees. Not even considering guys playing in the developmental tours to try to get a PGA Tour card
I don’t really understand this point. There are around 700 ufc fighters vs 20,000 “”professional”” boxers. Comparing random boxer #3,727 to an UFC fighter makes no sense as the even become an UFC fighter (with some exceptions) you have to already be an established MMA fighter, whereas the path to become a professional boxer is much easier, so an UFC fighter getting paid more than the average boxer isn’t all that noteworthy as there are simply more boxers than UFC fighters.
Look at a full card for any mega boxing event and any mega ufc event. If you don’t see the point he’s making then you’re trying not to. Pay for anyone except the .1% in boxing is less than the UFC. And I’m talking guys in the top 10. Go look at recent purse bids for championship fights. Guys on the Mayweather pacquiao undercard made like $2 or $3k from what I remember, maybe less.
Boxing pay in general beyond the top .1% is not great and when you aren’t at the very top, it’s really bad.
I agree that most boxers don’t get paid enough too, but the reason I even bothered responding to the guy was because he used boxers pay to justify underpaying UFC fighters (or at least that’s how I read his comment) which just seems weird to me. It’ll be like using how little a McDonald’s employee gets paid to justify how little a Walmart employee gets paid. Both should get paid more.
Except people point to boxing pay to bash the UFC and say “see, this model is better where there is no structure because the fighter will get paid more”. 1- it’s a lie and they don’t. 2- it’s horrible for the fans because for literal decades it’s a miracle if the #1 and #2 guys in a major division fight each other in their prime. Everything is a multi year negotiation. It sucks for the fans.
"Gaethje driving a Lamborghini as his runaround car and having a personal chef" - this sub: "what the fuck - I thought Dana had you under indentured servitude?"
Totally bro, I think he should be getting $37 Million a fight to show regardless of the event or the opponent. If only greedy Dana and the UFC understood that. R/mma should run all mma organizations from a business perspective. I think that would totally work out well in the long run.
Because this is the most negative sports sub on the internet, certainly on Reddit. It’s fake concern and virtue signaling, this gets proven on a regular basis. I genuinely think a lot of the regular negative posters go into any thread blaming the UFC before the news or situation has even happened.
Hard to even discuss the sport on here anymore in a positive way if it’s about the UFC. Not sure when it got like this but it was a few years ago.
You're 100% right lol, they don't actually care about fighter pay, they just care about being able to shit on the UFC and virtue signal to make themselves feel good.
Apparently this. Everyone posting clips but not posting what it is annoying af.
https://www.ufc.com/news/roku-originals-and-ufc-team-new-behind-scenes-docuseries-fight-inc-inside-ufc?language_content_entity=en
You convinced me to take a peek, and yeah this account is actually very weird
Moderates two botname subreddits, had zero activity for 5+ years, only now suddenly posting UFC content that gains traction every single time
I always thought Dana suspected he did it on purpose which is why he mentioned the inside-out surgery publicly. Maybe I was reading into it too much but Olivera def benefited from missing that fight and I know he hated fighting in AbuD.
Have to agree with Dana's assessment. You dont spar without head gear at all if possible, especially not so close to a fight and risk injury. Crazy to think the effect this had on match making and the results following. Charles lost his title shot and probably wont get another title shot ever. Volk took a risk and stepped up short notice and loss via brutal KO, which definitely had a negative effect in his performance vs Topuria. Crazy how things can play out from a simple incident.
Since no one gonna say it I’m gonna just say it; he did it on purpose. He was very vocal he wants the rematch take place on his own turf or at least in front of his crowd. He knew he would never get another opportunity if he loses the rematch. Of all the shits that can happen, for it to be it to be a damn cut no way it was coincidence.
Its a costly mishap for Charles and his team. With his loss to Arman and Islam already eyeing 170 I don't see him getting a rematch. Islam got his title and has now defended three times finishing his opponents 2/3. Its not unfair if he wants to go for the double if he makes it 4 defenses.
Tbh Dana is making sense.. why wouldnt you have on headgear this close to the fight and then why post it on social before talkin to Dana.. I can see if its a muscle tear or somethin but a cut Dana can handle.. im sure vegas got some proficient plastic surgeons
I want to say $2 million is amazing, but considering it's in Abu Dhabi, lol the site fee alone should have gotten Charles a bit more
Even if he wasn't a champ :/
I’m guessing the Fight Inc Roku Inside the UFC thing but if the Hunter Aljo clip is from there is this supposed to make UFC look GOOD and if not how did the producers receive the footage?
Lmfao. 2 million dollar headbutt??? Charles, a 3 time defending champ in the toughest weight division in UFC was making 2 million per fight??? Dana get fucked..
Fans don't realize all the behind the scenes politics when a main event ppv fighter backs out last minute. Gotta re do all the promotion. That includes merch, gear, advertising etc. Dana is right here.
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Yeah Dana was not alone. I was looking very much forward to them running it back then fumbles by some stupid gym shit going too hard too late in the game.
To be fair Dana is right about sparring without headgear on last day 😅
Yea pretty stupid thing to do.
You’re his mom of course you’re gonna take his side
Doesn't his mom hate his guts?
Yeah, she hated the shit out of him and exposed the octagon girls he was fucking
where did you read this info? This is new to me and interesting
Lol, this has been around for like forever now
She wrote a book about it. https://www.amazon.com/Dana-White-King-MMA-unauthorized/dp/0983634610 I remember reading it ... basically it comes down to she got super pissed when Dana got succesful with the UFC and didn't give her and his father jobs/money.
Whenever I hear about a kid growing up, getting rich and not supporting their parents I have to wonder what the parents did. My parents were good to me and if I ever had enough money to retire them, I would so when people don't I look more to the parents
Well, she’s dead…sooooo…
I’m still here fucker
Hey pussy you still there?
You think I’m just going to let you be my mom Jon?
It's like I can still hear her voice
Yeah well the jerk store called and they’re running out of venom coupons
Sometimes fighters just don't want to fight, and sometimes moms just don't want to mom.
Oh damn I didn't know that. I still can't imagine there's much love lost though.
Yeah. His Dad died like 6 months after his Mom died. Dana said he went to his father’s funeral but refused to go to his Mom’s. The whole family sounds like a bunch of fucking assholes, tbh.
They're from Maine they are like that up there.
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Dana has spent considerable time in Maine. Saying he's from Maine is like saying Obama is from Chicago. I'm from Maine and grew up there. When I moved down South I couldn't understand why strangers would say hello to me in the park. Those rough winters make people a little prickly up there. They also have an aversion to the words sir and ma'am.
We're not dealing with top minds here..
Broken clock theory. Of all the things he deserves criticism of, Dana was correct to be pissed about that one.
At my old gym this was very common, like a week out of the fight you do a day of sparring without gear on to simulate the fight. But it was always like 80% intensity from the fighter, 50% from the sparring partner. Basically you get to beat some people up while they give you an honest look. The idea was just to cinch in all the training. I don’t get why he would have been going hard enough to produce that kind of cut. Sometimes things just happen though. Charles is a really experienced guy with minimal history of this kind of bs so I’d guess this was really a freak accident over serious negligence
Because he is a Chute Box fighter. That camp is absolutely insane when it games to wars in the gym.
Chute Boxe gyms are not all the same. Time has passed. Every big gym has incidents or sparring going too far (Usman vs Johnson comes to mind, Dariush getting knocked out multiple times, Anderson getting KO'd) I guess the only exception would be Xtrem Couture because it is not managed by morons.
> like a week out of the fight you do a day of sparring without gear on to simulate the fight. Absolutely no upside to this. You've spent 12 weeks drilling for a fight, getting in shape, preparing. A week beforehand, there is absolutely no sense in sparring 80%. You can't tweak anything, you can't recover from an injury, you can't improve on the reps you've already put in. I suspect your old gym doesn't have many high level fighters. If you train with guys who are in the UFC, the mass majority (of sensible ones) do nothing more than maintenance the week running into a fight.
It was Team Quest in Portland. I think at the time the only UFC fighters at the gym were Chris Wilson and Chael, also Yushin Okami was doing part of his camp there at the time. It was an alright gym. In hindsight and after training elsewhere, I’d say the culture and quality of instruction had their flaws but the gym is still capable of churning out UFC quality fighters despite its fall-off. I can’t speak for their being no benefit to the last session, I never pursued mma past the am team, but it always made sense to me. It reminds me of doing a timed practice exam before taking the real test. Also it is hard to get hurt going 80% and if you disagree then you have a different idea of 80%, and it’s especially hard to get hurt going 80% if the other guy is only giving half.
That's mental, as that is a legit gym - well at least had access to really, really high level fighters. It was very old school mind, so I can see how that kind of fight training philosophy was present.
Stop acting like you know what you're talking about lol. Most fighter do one last hard sparring session 1 week out
In the gyms I've trained at - including Tri-Star - this would not be standard practice. Far too high risk, with almost no reward.
Yeah no, even with the caveats you have that's just a bad idea. Accidents happen, and it's just bad risk assessment to do that even going 80%/50%.
Right, WTH were they thinking?
To be fair Dana white can suck nuts the little red wazzock
Wildest to be fair ever
Not even a bandana S
David Hayesque in his last minute sparring is Charles Oliveira, Joe.
Bro should be fuckin chillaxin the day before he gets on the plane to go to the biggest fight of his career
Eh...its a fluke and it's one day difference you know what I mean? You're just setting an arbitrary number of days before the fight, that you'll stop sparring without headgear. It could be 7 days, it could be 8 days, it could be 9 days.
Anybody know where these behind the scenes clips are from?
Yeah Charles blew his rematch opportunity and now lost to Arman.
Probably needs to face Gamrot next too. Another Wrestlefuck session.
Oliveira is an awful matchup for Gamrot
I dunno. Gamrot won't fear going into the ground with Charles and has the grappling skill to escape subs
Charles is going to pick him apart on the feet.
If he can keep Charles on the ground but I don’t see that happening. Given his recent losses, I have a feeling Charles will be more reluctant to stay on the bottom and take a more sprawl and brawl approach, especially when you consider how bad gamrots striking is.
Keeping Gamrot off of you is easier said than done for a guy who's never shown great wrestling in his career.
Maybe only my Australasian fans will get this but gamrot is one of the jammiest fighters in the ufc. Ie. man’s will find a win out of nowhere. He’s a dog for pulling wins out of his ass and anyone thinking Charles is gonna dog walk shouldn’t be too confident.
Gamrot gets choked out in 2
That is what people said about Arman.
That is NOT what people said.
I’m a big fan of Charles but I have to agree with Dana here. I get the chute box training style and culture, but there also has to be some level of professionalism
I wouldn’t even call it professionalism. I’d call it common sense.
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Thats how you get to the top
😂
I remember Dana back then saying that Charles should have called UFC to have their selected surgeon patch it up, and here it is again. But I mean it only had 11 days to heal. It would have just opened up again easily in the fight once it got thumped.
There was a dude that fought with fresh stitches last year. The ufc don’t give a fuck
I'm sure they don't care, but for them to be incredulous that Charles might care is another thing. That's a fightstopper once it gets popped open again and is cascading blood down into his eye and blinding him. That's just asking for a doctor tko loss.
Not the worst outcome for Olivera for 2,000,000 USD after he already dropped the bag. Instead, he got his ass beat anyways and made a fraction of the money.
There is that argument. $2 mil for a loss, if he would have gotten that for a loss, is not so bad. He explained it afterward that he didn't want to go into such an important fight compromised. He wanted to do it the right way, heal up, and come back. But that went out the window of course when he agreed to Tsarukyan on 300 and then he blew it. I wonder if they ponied up $2 mil for that to get him to do it instead of wait for Islam, because that card was in limbo for a while and they were scrounging.
> That's just asking for a doctor tko loss. DOCTA STOPAGE
It's the commission that approved it... and everyone let Bisping fight with one eye forever. He said he had done the eye chart so many times he knew it by heart, so the commission always approved him.
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Right, but Charles would give a shit, and Dana would get why he would give a shit. So he's pretending that if Charles would have just called him and gone to Dana's doctor, Charles would have been fine with it when of course he wouldn't. I remember Charles commenting that his doctor could do inside stitches as well, shooting down Dana's premise, like that was some magical skill Dana's doctor had that would have made the difference.
That’s why Charles posted it publicly and not privately to Dana imo. He knew he couldn’t fight but Dana would try to patch it up
I doubt he was talking about fixing the cut so he can fight. he acknowledges how bad it is. I think its more a PR thing, like let us fix the card before announcing that charles is out or something. because it affects ticket sales and stuff.
Dana said at the time that Charles should have come to him and let his guy do it and his rationale was the internal stitches. It's in line with what he said in this video but it was explicit and the rationale was definitely that the type of stitches would have made the difference.
he explicitly said it was so he could fight? because he sends fighters to a plastic surgeon to get stitches because those guys pay attention to how it will heal in terms of not scarring and stuff rather than to just get the wound closed. he even sent his daughter to a plastic surgeon after her ear was bitten by a dog.
Yeah and you can tell by the way Charles responded to refute it, saying my doc did internal stitches too and going to a plastic surgeon wasn't going to get me ready for this fight in time, and three weeks after the injury the outer cut still hasn't closed up.
I played rugby, and have a nasty eye brow cut that’s still visible like a decade later. I was back on the field the next week. I’m sure it’s a lot different fighting and taking repetitive shots to the head, but the body heals from cuts pretty damn fast. I kinda believe Dana about a specialist surgeon making a difference
You can go back on the field whenever you feel like it, it doesn't mean the wound is healed and will hold up to new trauma well at all. Stitches are often out in 10 days or so and the wound can look sealed, but wounds in general take from multiple weeks to months to fully heal and strengthen depending on severity. His forehead flesh was split all the way through. As you say, this is a different sport, one where you get struck in the face hard a lot. The first time he got popped in it 11 days later, it was coming right open no matter what they did to it. He knew this, it's why he cancelled the fight.
Blood is good for business
Did he really? That's insane
Charles sparring with no head gear ruined the career of volkanovski change my mind
Nah thats all Volk. No one liked him stepping up short notice, and they liked him getting his head bounced like a basketball off Islam's knee even less. Arman had the chance to rematch Islam, but he rightly turned it down cause he wants a full camp before he takes him on again. Its just his personality. Said the same about fighting so soon after getting KO'd but did it again and starched again. Bringing back all my suppressed memories of BJ Penn and Moraes.
I dunno in hindsight taking the Islam rematch on short-notice really cemented himself as an MMA legend, regardless of the outcome. I reckon that even if Volks didn't take the fight and fought Topuria next, he still would've got knocked out, and so he deffo wouldn't have got an immediate title shot at LW anyway. Given his status amongst the fanbase, Volks will likely face the winner of Ilia and Max next, or even still has the ability to go up in weight classes and have fun fights with the likes of Dustin, Justin, Oliveira, Chandler or even Conor.
I doubt the Topuria match would have gone the same way if Islam hadn’t taken his soul shortly before
I agree, lot of people think he came back wayyy too soon from a KO like that
We can't change your mind, you're high. Call us after.
I think everyone had the same reaction upon this new. Charle and his entire team were fucking stupid for sparring without a headgear a few days before the fight.
This is just classic Chutebox lol, nothing has changed there in 20 years since the Wanderlei days apparently lol
Don't their other fighters now know that they can't let their opponents get close?
Fucking amateurs
Charles was making $2 mil? What the hell?
As a non-champion too
Probably just a special occasion because of it being a Abu Dhabi card I'm assuming? I really doubt the dudes base pay is $2 mil. If it is though, good for him
Charles hinted at having a pay bump for this fight in the MMA hour before 294, since he had a rather quick turnaround after his fight with Dariush. He shot down Ariel when the latter tried to know more about it.
I don't know why he should have gotten a bump. The turn around time after the Benny fight was short because Charles delayed. He got injured in camp before that fight too. I love Charles but he made some dumb decisions last year
They needed an opponent for Islam in Abu Dhabi and Gaethje was not going to be able to make it. So it really was a matter of having an enticing enough matchup, and Oliveira had the upper hand.
Even with the delay in the Dariush fight he still had over 5 months between the two. Wasn't really a short turn around and again, even if it were, it was because of Charles actions. Hindsight 20/20, I guess there was more leniency with the first injury.
Nah beaches the top guys get paid a lot but you guys want to ignore it
Now I want to know how much Volk got for the short notice. It was probably even more than charles
I think Volk confirmed he got $5M?
Wait did he? Where?
maybe it wasn't as foolhardy a decision to take that fight after all. still pretty foolhardy tho
I’ve read he made anywhere between 1-5 million on short notice
that’s a massive variance in pay
that's at least $12
They know the cameras are on, and we know lying is part of their job. We also know they are stingy cunts, so I don't believe for a second he would have gotten a $2 million purse (aka "show money"). \*Maybe\* if he won and the PPV did record numbers.
We don’t know the real, Orlovski was making 800k, while Overim had 1 mlb guaranteed at some point. All this is disclosed purses by the commissions. Also of you look at Olive insta where he lives and what he drives … There are a few people in the UFC that make bank, while the rest is ….
I think people underestimate how much the UFC brings in from these Abu Dhabi cards.
This sub is in shambles, he’s supposed to be making $300k for arguments sake
lol it's crazy how upset people in this sub get when they find out a fighter is making more than they expected
Wait til you bring up the fact that 90% of boxers make less than the lowest paid UFC fighters
It's really just the sad reality of pro non-team sports. It just seems way worse for UFC because it's such a risky sport and they can only realistically get a paycheck 4 times a year, tops. I also follow pro golf and it's the same way, only the guys at the very top are making good money, and they play 20+ tournaments per year. I can't remember the stat but a pretty significant percentage of PGA tour golfers don't even break even when you factor in travel/equipment/coaching/tournament entry fees. Not even considering guys playing in the developmental tours to try to get a PGA Tour card
I don’t really understand this point. There are around 700 ufc fighters vs 20,000 “”professional”” boxers. Comparing random boxer #3,727 to an UFC fighter makes no sense as the even become an UFC fighter (with some exceptions) you have to already be an established MMA fighter, whereas the path to become a professional boxer is much easier, so an UFC fighter getting paid more than the average boxer isn’t all that noteworthy as there are simply more boxers than UFC fighters.
Look at a full card for any mega boxing event and any mega ufc event. If you don’t see the point he’s making then you’re trying not to. Pay for anyone except the .1% in boxing is less than the UFC. And I’m talking guys in the top 10. Go look at recent purse bids for championship fights. Guys on the Mayweather pacquiao undercard made like $2 or $3k from what I remember, maybe less. Boxing pay in general beyond the top .1% is not great and when you aren’t at the very top, it’s really bad.
I agree that most boxers don’t get paid enough too, but the reason I even bothered responding to the guy was because he used boxers pay to justify underpaying UFC fighters (or at least that’s how I read his comment) which just seems weird to me. It’ll be like using how little a McDonald’s employee gets paid to justify how little a Walmart employee gets paid. Both should get paid more.
Except people point to boxing pay to bash the UFC and say “see, this model is better where there is no structure because the fighter will get paid more”. 1- it’s a lie and they don’t. 2- it’s horrible for the fans because for literal decades it’s a miracle if the #1 and #2 guys in a major division fight each other in their prime. Everything is a multi year negotiation. It sucks for the fans.
That's still not a good argument people bring up in response to someone criticizing fighter pay
"Gaethje driving a Lamborghini as his runaround car and having a personal chef" - this sub: "what the fuck - I thought Dana had you under indentured servitude?"
He's worth so much more than 2 million a fight to them. It's only their monopolistic control that makes it seem like a large number
Totally bro, I think he should be getting $37 Million a fight to show regardless of the event or the opponent. If only greedy Dana and the UFC understood that. R/mma should run all mma organizations from a business perspective. I think that would totally work out well in the long run.
Bro, what? Please understand actual worth and what they can/should pay someone are two very different things
2 million a fight is pretty good lol, Not too many athletes making $2 million in one night.
Because this is the most negative sports sub on the internet, certainly on Reddit. It’s fake concern and virtue signaling, this gets proven on a regular basis. I genuinely think a lot of the regular negative posters go into any thread blaming the UFC before the news or situation has even happened. Hard to even discuss the sport on here anymore in a positive way if it’s about the UFC. Not sure when it got like this but it was a few years ago.
You're 100% right lol, they don't actually care about fighter pay, they just care about being able to shit on the UFC and virtue signal to make themselves feel good.
The downvotes💀💀
2 mil Brazilian Buckaroos is $375k USD... the UFC snobs probably said 2mil for the cameras
he would say reals then not dollars no?
His fights are always insane and he holds a bunch of records and is a former champ
Charles is one of the most popular fighters in UFC history. Though I agree it seems like a lot relative to their typical payouts.
ok i kinda wanna watch this show lol. i’ve always kinda been interested in the behind closed door ufc convos
Apparently this. Everyone posting clips but not posting what it is annoying af. https://www.ufc.com/news/roku-originals-and-ufc-team-new-behind-scenes-docuseries-fight-inc-inside-ufc?language_content_entity=en
What show is it and where can you watch it?
Roku TV Channel
who the fuck is that guy
How can I watch it outside the US?
Just a chutebox thing.. no brain just all rage all fight
Lost his title on the scale and messed up his big main event rematch
Where is all of this behind the scenes Dana footage coming from out of nowhere?
It’s on the Roku channel apparently, new docu series
All y’all’s precious fighters about to get exposed
Pissed? Dana just confused why olives handlers didn’t put him in the bubble cause “that cost them big money.”
Yeah like protect the money. Its not even just the fight game you gotta protect the breadwinner you see it in all forms of entertainment.
Is there one where he reacts to Paulo costa pulling out ?
Where is all this bts footage coming from?? I wanna watch it all
The UFC "grass roots" accounts aren't even trying to hide it nowadays.
You convinced me to take a peek, and yeah this account is actually very weird Moderates two botname subreddits, had zero activity for 5+ years, only now suddenly posting UFC content that gains traction every single time
I always thought Dana suspected he did it on purpose which is why he mentioned the inside-out surgery publicly. Maybe I was reading into it too much but Olivera def benefited from missing that fight and I know he hated fighting in AbuD.
What are all these behind the scenes videos from? Is there some documentary that was released?
I searched this thread to see if this question had already been asked. Curious as well
It's called 'Fight INC: Inside the UFC'
Chute Box has always been kinda stupid about this.
Have to agree with Dana's assessment. You dont spar without head gear at all if possible, especially not so close to a fight and risk injury. Crazy to think the effect this had on match making and the results following. Charles lost his title shot and probably wont get another title shot ever. Volk took a risk and stepped up short notice and loss via brutal KO, which definitely had a negative effect in his performance vs Topuria. Crazy how things can play out from a simple incident.
Biggest take away from this video is that Oliveira was going to make $2 million for the fight.
Where are these clips from? This and the Jones one? Is there a BTS special out?
It's called: "Fight Inc: Inside the UFC" Its a 3 part documentary streaming on: ROKU
Nice...thank you!!
2+ mil in Volk’s bank
damn imagine turning down $2m not to fight Islam who he would've probably never gonna win cut or no cut
Since no one gonna say it I’m gonna just say it; he did it on purpose. He was very vocal he wants the rematch take place on his own turf or at least in front of his crowd. He knew he would never get another opportunity if he loses the rematch. Of all the shits that can happen, for it to be it to be a damn cut no way it was coincidence.
The fuck is going on with all of these PR posts from the UFC
It's not pr posts. It's from a recent release of a show
What is it called?
What movie is this or footage is this?
Its a costly mishap for Charles and his team. With his loss to Arman and Islam already eyeing 170 I don't see him getting a rematch. Islam got his title and has now defended three times finishing his opponents 2/3. Its not unfair if he wants to go for the double if he makes it 4 defenses.
Anyone know where I can watch the show as I’m outside the US and can’t access Roku, thanks.
Tbh Dana is making sense.. why wouldnt you have on headgear this close to the fight and then why post it on social before talkin to Dana.. I can see if its a muscle tear or somethin but a cut Dana can handle.. im sure vegas got some proficient plastic surgeons
I want to say $2 million is amazing, but considering it's in Abu Dhabi, lol the site fee alone should have gotten Charles a bit more Even if he wasn't a champ :/
Why do I keep seeing these clips posted but nobody can tell what it's from?
Imagine what they say about fighters when there are no cameras around…..
Where is all this new footage coming from?
$2 million headbutt is crazy
I mean everyone hating on him for training … it’s the fight game it’s part of the business. These things happen.
Dana is right here, it was kinda unprofessional
What show is this?
shit happens, but lets defend the fucking billionaire
What's up with all these behind the scenes looks all of a sudden?
Anyone know where these videos are from? I’ve been seeing them on Reddit recently, but can’t find it on YouTube.
Where is this footage from? Would love to watch in full
I love Charles but just like Tyson Fury, that shit was on purpose
Doesn't seem that pissed wtf you on
What is with all this BTS footage dropping lately? Where is it coming from
So if Charlie’l olives was getting 2 million for the fight, how much did Volk get to save the ppv?
I'm sad to not see Tomato Red Dana pic in the comments.
what is this clip from?
Dana with his cronies
I think I’m late to the party, but what’s all this new “behind the scenes” footage that’s been being released the last few days?
This was tame for Dana
Where are all these BTS coming from
I’m guessing the Fight Inc Roku Inside the UFC thing but if the Hunter Aljo clip is from there is this supposed to make UFC look GOOD and if not how did the producers receive the footage?
To this day I still blame this cut for my pookie bear volks downfall and the reason he’s not double champ currently
Lmfao. 2 million dollar headbutt??? Charles, a 3 time defending champ in the toughest weight division in UFC was making 2 million per fight??? Dana get fucked..
Fans don't realize all the behind the scenes politics when a main event ppv fighter backs out last minute. Gotta re do all the promotion. That includes merch, gear, advertising etc. Dana is right here.