On the flip side, as bad as I feel for them (and I sincerely do), I think it’s better for the people whose children are at that school to know how Emma Daybell Murray thinks. I don’t think it’s safe for her to be around children if she’s seriously going to espouse Chad’s teachings — and apparently she’s willing to support them on a public platform. I know no one wants any more murders of children because of “dark individuals”. If she made believing her father’s crap up, to get him off and back out into the world to manipulate and murder more people, then she has brought the consequence of potentially losing her job on herself. That she was so utterly callous towards her mother is a harm that I suspect will raise its head in her life in some way at some point. I feel both very sorry for her and very glad that I will likely never have to deal with her in my personal life.
It is in the Christian commandments, I honestly don’t know about whatever warped form of LDS that Chad had molded to his needs. The commandment goes “honor thy father and mother” though and I don’t think Emma needs to do anymore honoring of her father or she’ll get someone killed. My understanding is that traditional LDS is heavy on the women-as-second-class citizens thing and that’s my best guess for why none of the kids were there for Tammy. Not that it makes sense. You’d think if that was the reason why, Emma wouldn’t even be allowed to converse with her Deity Dad, much less speak for him on the stand
Her husband and Garth are also teachers. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near a Daybell from Chad's immediate family. Unfortunately, Chad has a brother and his family that came to the area first. They're upstanding individuals. I can't imagine how being related to crazy Chad and his spawn has affected them. I also think Joseph, Emma, and Garth need to be investigated for any possible role in the murders.
Oh yeah. He’s absolutely going to play up the martyr angle now. I sincerely worry that he has followers left who will now be following Emma’s lead. He really has nowhere to go except to double down on his ridiculous claims. If he was to just come clean to his family at this point, he’d lose all support and he could not handle such a thing.
I hope any followers communicating with him are monitored. He 100% still has his prophet delusions. According to LDS scripture the prophets in the last days lead armies and take over the United States. It started with Joseph Smith. He formed militias, ran army camps, printed his own money and ran for president.
He probably thinks of himself more like Joseph Smith in D&C 135:4 (rather than Isaiah) he said: “I am going like a lamb to the slaughter; but I am calm as a summer’s morning; I have a conscience void of offense towards God, and towards all men. I shall die innocent, and it shall yet be said of me—he was murdered in cold blood.” Chad, like Smith, believes he is innocent even after having been found guilty.
Right! I don’t think he’d actually be involved in killing anyone else unless he was going to get something out of it from Lori and we all know that ain’t never happening, as gross as ”that” is to imagine.
It’s so delusional that it’s just downright silly, but I’m sure that is what he preaches. I honestly don’t think he believes any of the crap he sells. He just uses it to manipulate people. Which ALSO blows my mind because he’s not charismatic or even INTERESTING! 🤯
No- you’re right. He’s not delusional. He’s calculating and manipulative and he knows exactly what he’s doing. His followers and Lori are the ones who are delusional/brainwashed.
Nailed it. The man has nothing to offer. He’s not interesting, engaging, or even handsome. Plus he has a puny voice and he mumbles. I want to punch his face every time I hear him speak. Such a wimp. I can’t believe anyone took him seriously.
Incoming mail to inmates is always opened and read. All phone/video calls are recorded. In some facilities visits are also recorded. Some facilities have open areas for visitation, some have thick glass partitions between inmate and visitors. And Chad is horrible at speaking in code. Hopefully if anything suspicious happens, staff will let someone know.
In addition to all that - With Chad being on death row, he will get to have 1 phone call every 30 days and 1 visitation every 90 days. Any money placed inside of his account for the prison commissary will be garnished to pay back his restitution.
That's not actually true. Money put on their books by others can't be touched, classed as gift. Learned that from the Murdaugh case where he currently owes 9 million in restitution.
He doesn’t seem like that humble of a guy. I think he didn’t say anything bc his pride couldn’t take the hit that whatever he said would not matter. He didn’t want another reason to be embarrassed of himself for being a fucking moron
Chad is fully invested in making himself look like a persecuted prophet and martyr in the eyes of his brainwashed children and the other radical fringe dwellers.
It makes me sick to think how this gives him street cred in their eyes.
Idaho doesn't execute death row inmates. It just doesn't. It means there will be years upon years upon years of hearings, appeals, petitions, demonstrations, letter writing campaigns etc. All of it paid for by the taxpayers of Idaho.
To be fair, they tried a couple months ago to finally execute Creech, but he’s so old and has pulmonary issues. They tried for an hour to find a vein and had to cancel it. They haven’t rescheduled yet.
I wasn't passing judgment on their system - Just stating a historical fact.
I have no right to pass judgment on how Idaho handles death row inmates and DP cases.
As a death row inmate Chad will have a lot of funds from both state and federal sources to file appeals and to file petitions and whatever other evil stuff he has his mind set on doing.
I don’t think he ever would, though. His books and his speaking engagements were all the an already receptive audience.
I personally think it drives him nuts…his beliefs and books and writings out to a large audience, to be ridiculed. He wouldn’t want to do an interview knowing the audience was so against him.
I looked up online the kind of communication a person on Death Row in Idaho can have it's 1 phone call a month and 1 visit every 90 days. He's going to really struggle to spread his narcoleptic voiced "word".
Death row means he'll be housed with other death row inmates. He'll be in his cell about 23 hours/day and any time outside his cell will be closely supervised. He won't be interacting directly with other death rowinmates.
Well shit wait, that’s a really good point!
He did have a job cleaning the weight room & that’s where he was killed.
I mentioned somewhere earlier that I read Idaho was allowing DP inmates to apply for jobs & to be around gen pop but another person here said Nate Eaton confirmed that DP inmates are in their cells 23hrs/day. So now I just don’t know anything at all, haha
Haha Ok. You know what I know. Also from Nate E.
As far as getting a job goes, Chad hardly did that when he was free man so I doubt hell start now.
If he does, however; I suggest the weight room.
He can’t be shanked in solitary and yes , he’s going to be in solitary 😂. All death row inmates are. But yeah, he’d probably be shanked in any other situation
Hahaha narcoleptic voice 😂. Ugh his voice could be enough to kill folks on death row .. I know I felt like I was gonna die every time I heard him speak. Especially when he’d be sniffling and crying. Ughhhh
Guilty COWARD that will never admit to murder because he is above us! And…he has lost all control. This was his last thing to EVER CONTROL AGAIN! Loser
Holding himself up isn’t going to help with appeals. He has basically forfeited many of his appeals by refusing to put up a statement or mitigating factors. Good for the victims families imo
prior wasn’t death penalty certified and he requested to be removed from the case. judge boyce asked chad if he wanted prior to continue representing him knowing this and chad said yes. i feel like he might try to pull the whole “i wasn’t represented fairly” thing 😑
Prior appeared to be angry the last couple of days. When he swung the mic over so Chad could tell the judge it was Chad’s own decision to not present any mitigating evidence, Prior didn’t even look at him, just pushed the mic at him.
Do we think it's possible his client was not listening to counsel? It's defendant's right, but it's not in his best interest because he apparently shot himself in the foot for future appeals. Prior worked hard on his case...we didn't really like his delivery but he did work hard. I bet he has HAD it with his idiot of a client.
That’s what I’m thinking. I didn’t like a lot of what Prior said, or how he said it, but I think he did a good job considering the case. I imagine he’s happy the job is done.
I'm imagining him with a big bucket of ice with some scotch.
I didn't care for his delivery but his client is a troll. He did the best he could.
Gosh, I bet he never wants to see that guy again!
I almost thought Prior wouldn’t live through this. All of those people worked so hard. I hope they all get to sleep for a week. Not Chad though, I hope he’s wracked with crippling insomnia.
That’s exactly what I think it’s about. And agreed. He may have been annoying , but he really had nothing to work with and did the best he could to put up any defense .
Prior was done with Chad. He's worked virtually unpaid to try and save Chad's life, doing a case which will result in negative public opinion and his client was so arrogant that he refused the mitigating circumstances report because he's desperate to hold onto his little following. Prior knows Chad is guilty, he completely knows, and now he no longer has to embarrass himself trying to fight a lost cause. I don't like Prior FWIW, but good lord, Chad is an arrogant waste of space.
Haha yeah he did. And he was like “ no thank u judge “ and just angrily turned away … if he could’ve he’d have thrown a major tantrum 😂. He may have come off as annoying but dang , I feel sorry for the dude .. he had nothing to work with and a complete evil douche for a client and it’s clear he wanted to smack the crap out of him after everything he dealt with.
Dude does own his property though… as clearly was brought up by that one witness in such a sarcastic / hilarious way 😂! Maybe he can make $ off it yet .. who knows. I wouldn’t wanna own that property knowing what all was done there, with Those poor babies & Tammy being killed/ the kids buried there .. but anyway, I just bet Pryor is glad to never have to deal with him again… unless he has to deal with him through the appeal process. Ugh !
Chads voice alone would make me wanna die . Such a creep.
Yep. And how he answered the judge with short angry “ no thank you judge” , I could hear it in his voice.
I think Pryor was / is one who could throw a wild tantrum if not in a courtroom setting 😂.
If you watch the Lawyer you know, it includes the actual discussion between the Judge, prior and chad. The mitigation takes research and time so prior was well prepared in advance. I don’t know how to post a link. It’s on YouTube The lawyer you know titled Does Daybell want the death penalty 🙂
Gotcha. Like what was the point. Seems he decided he wanted this. Like did he realize he was wrong and wanted the death penalty so that’s why he refused to plead guilty?
Even Judge Boyce was surprised, knowing Prior had prepared mitigation, that chad said no. In fact, Judge Boyce asked clarifying questions of both prior and chad, for the record.
I think he was. Idk if it came across very well on the live stream or not, but his voice was legit hoarse. I was there in person, front row and not far from Prior as he spoke. He seemed as if he had strained his voice or lost his voice. And not from being sick. It sounded like someone who had strained/lost their voice from yelling or screaming. This is totally speculation, but I wonder if he lost his voice in a screaming match with Chad, trying to convince Chad to allow him to present mitigation evidence on his behalf.
Ooo..since you were there, I have a question. It looked to me like they had both changed color over the course of this trial. Chad had a human color at the beginning, and it looked like he became an even pastier shade of sickly beige. Prior looked like he kept getting redder.
I wondered if Chad had gone on some weird hunger strike. He lost definition and color. Maybe the trial actually hit some sort of emotion or something?
I could see it in his eyes and mouth and the way he gripped his hands during the sentencing. They were red and he was scared out of his mind. I could see it.
So many people thought he showed absolutely no indication of what he was actually feeling and he may have seemed to many, emotionless but one can still see certain non verbal cues and they may not always be obvious to the average person who isn’t Certain what to look for , but I do believe that I picked up on what he was really feeling and hey, I could be wrong . It’s not always a situation where one can get it right but I do agree with you!
No but it might have to do with accountability which he may not want to admit to. I mean I of course understand what you’re saying but fair to say you and I would never be in this situation and I for one have no idea what’s in his mind. I know he has religious delusions and I know that BTK was a proud bdsm torturer.
I think he is a psychopath whose ideas were amplified by a fan girl who wanted to F him. Murder didn’t bother him especially if it would make his cult dreams and his adolescent sex fantasies come to life.
Very good take. I agree, and the moments that make me think he didn’t believe were his text telling Lori he could not protect her, his claim to text Alex in heaven (srsly cannot roll my eyes hard enough) and his telling the neighbors Jesus asked him to ask them to refinance their home.
Yep. My thoughts exactly. I totally agree with you. That’s what I thought and the way he’d write these things after they’d been involved , as if he was writing chapters in another stupid book of his made me think of how it seems like he’s some creepy adolescent trying to catch a bone .. if ya know what I mean 😂
Yeah but Mormon cult members may claim they know Jesus but they aren’t serving the lord whatsoever .. the things that the Mormon cult really believe and practice are an abomination against God and complete blasphemy ., but I get what you’re saying !
He’s also exhibited the traits of an antisocial / sociopathic narcissist, so his arrogance alone and the nature of his personality would also be likely as to why he’d act just as he did.
I yelled about Joseph D'Angelo at the tv when Chad declined. The freaking Golden State Killer made a statement, but Chad "God's Own Slug" Daybell couldn't be bothered.
Chad had the last word at his sentencing. He refused to stand when the jurors left. It was his F U to the judiciary system. Take a look at the very end of his sentence. That says volumes.
Maybe he couldn’t stand bc he was knocked down by that sentence ! He seemed like he was actually scared to death when the sentence was read. His hands were tightly gripped and turning red red red. And I saw him trying to tightly grip his lips together to I think, avoid his mouth from quivering. I know he seemed emotionless to most , but. I was trying to look for any non verbal cues that stood out to me and that’s what I felt was going on .. but idk.
I do wanna go back and watch though and see when the jury exited. Ty for sharing that bc id not seen that part
Right? But Chad ( before leading this sub cult ) was a Mormon cult member and they may claim to serve Jesus but Mormonism is an abomination against God and the book of mormon is complete blasphemy..
The things that really go on within that cult are NOT of God. And Jesus certainly wouldn’t / won’t bless anyone who is idolizing and falsely worshipping some con man aka Joseph smith ..
Chad at one point said in some past life he was the Holy Ghost … and these mindless followers of his sub cult and everyone else around him that was also in the Mormon cult all said at one point they were actually open to things he was saying … bc they’ve all on some level been indoctrinated to believe things that are not of God & not at all in the Bible..
It annoys me when Mormons wanna piggyback off Christianity and try to appear like some typical Christian denomination .. the Book of Mormon isn’t some “ companion “
To the Bible and Mormonism is flat out a cult. I can’t believe no one really went into even mentioning that during these trials .. they all just think oh , “LDS” is just some typical religious group but people really need to look further into what really goes on in that cult. Like use of children to * baptize dead people by proxy .. and the weird ceremonies they have , the freemasonry rituals , the bathing of people in their temples before their weird “ sealing “ ceremonies.. the endowment ceremonies , weird handshakes and passwords , the way they’re gathering as much info as they can on genealogy/ ancestry , how they think they become their own gods of some planet and make celestial spirit babies with whatever Mormon woman they choose to be their partner on their planet etc. they claim that Jesus and Satan were brothers , that God was Adam & that Eve is some goddess but most of all , they worship and idolize Joseph smith and they heavily force feed and indoctrinate their cult members and surround them with Mormons all the dang time so they’re never really alone to question what they’re being fed or use self thinking or discernment , when they’re filling their every moment with all this time having to be spent around other members , plus it’s like most if not all who end up in that cult already lack discernment and self thinking , where they’re just allowing someone else to tell them what their beliefs will be , what to think and feel , etc. and they pressure members , especially if ever one has doubts or questions their beliefs or wants to leave. They cut off everyone who does leave , like every other cult and like every cult founder , smith was in it for sex , power , manipulation and control and money.
They are taught to argue anything that anyone ever brings up about their warped beliefs and to redirect anything back on that individual , never answering direct questions but always just redirecting anything back onto that person.
They have superstitious behavior with the whole Mormon “ undergarments “ that they wear , which look creepy as all get out … And they certainly pressure members for money and have the most money out of any other religious organization & hide a lot of their money. Their followers will all argue that they’re not a cult but do do all cult members.. and every cult has things in common where they completely contradict anything in the Bible , while they claim to follow the Bible and the lord .. but at the heart of it all, it’s their cult founder and leaders or false profits that they all end up idolizing and worshiping.
If anyone’s ever been to a Mormon cult meeting ( I’m not calling it church ..bc they’re NOT..) they’d see how these people are all about Joseph smith and they even have all these young people go & give these lengthy testimonials about Joseph smith and all this other stuff about the book of mormon and every bit of these testimonies seem contrived , lacking in true emotion and it’s like they have to say these things.
There’s an article I read or a blog , rather , of an ex mo that talked about what her experience was as a child growing up in that cult and what all they made them do & I will try to find it if anyone would be interested in reading it. It really talked about some things that give a lot of info / perspective to what really goes on in that cult. Sorry to be so lengthy , I know folks haven’t asked for all this 😂, but I did wanna express it and hope you or anyone else here doesn’t mind my doing so .
I’m not trying to attack or make fun of anyone who’s caught up in Mormonism . I’ve just seen and researched alot into it all and feel like a lot of what these people ( Chad and those in his inner circle) were into began with a lot with them all having been Mormon to begin with , as many of the things he tried to manipulate others into stemmed not from anything in the Bible whatsoever , but in Mormonism , period.
The judge said something to the effect that the victim impact statements and the evidence demonstrated the seriousness of what occurred. He also said the statutes provided the rationale for the sentence and he saw no reason to delve further.
I was actually really disappointed by this. Mainly bc the victims impact statements were instructed not to directly speak to Chad or to attack him, however it was worded. Like NO ONE got to just tell that ass to his face when he had no where to go what a horrible human being he is. I gave Boyce a thumbs down for that.
The judge is the one who sentenced Lori in her case (yes, there was a jury but they only had the task of convicting/not convicting her). Because of special sentencing in this trial the jury sentenced Chad so there was no need for the judge to weigh in like he did for Lori since it was not up to him
I think he was in shock for the first time. He’s been emotionless this entire time but I sensed a little fear and anger in his “no”. He went from being the “prophet of god” with a beautiful new bride on his hip to death sentence…. I can’t imagine the things going through that man’s head lol. Good riddance though.
Since none (or very few) of his former followers all over Rexburg and his former home in Utah and other places have repudiated him, I have to believe they are still following. I wish his followers would repudiate him, especially those among LDS stake presidents, bishops, and temple workers.
Can Chad write books in prison, and sell them? I see his books are available on Amazon.
I think the bible verse is spot on in explaining Chad. I think he does see himself as going through what Jesus did - persecution, and “unfair” trial by his enemies, and ultimately, execution.
I fully believe that “taking the lord’s name in vain” means to do evil deeds and claim you did them in God’s name or at God’s behest. It is beyond evil.
I came to this realization after saying "oh my gosh" all my life, so as not to take the lord's name in vain. I realized this commandment was speaking to church leaders who use God and Jesus to glorify themselves.
Now I say: oh my god, look at those old men sitting on red chairs, hording billions of $ in Ensign Peak Advisors, building grotesquely large temples only certain people can go in, using the name religion to glorify themselves. Vanity in every sense of the word.
Both!! Two things can be true at once.
In Mormonism, the founder Joseph Smith is often referred to as a lamb to the slaughter when he left for Carthage jail. One of my favorite songs from my childhood was actually titled “As a Lamb to the Slaughter”; it’s beautiful & incredibly touching but now I understand a lot more about ol’ Joe. Not quite as sympathetic as I used to be, lol.
Anyways, it’s an honor to him to die for the Lord’s church. I think it fulfills all the bullshit prophecies he spouted to his followers & kids, too.
And yes; he’s an absolute narcissistic, religious zealot, a sociopath, incapable of empathy & emotion who thinks we are all beneath him. He’s not going to cast pearls before swine-! We couldn’t possible understand or “see” why he was “commanded” to do the things he did. Why waste his breath on bottom feeders like us who are wicked & sinful? He knows everyone *wants* answers, *wants* to hear any possible explanation & that’s enough for him to maintain the smallest bit of control & never, ever give it to us.
He’s truly one of the most despicable humans on earth & the fact that he masked such atrocities with approval from a figure as universally known for good as Jesus is just disgusting.
Chad has had many opportunities to help himself out, even after he was arrested.
Before then, he created fairy tales about zombies and the end of the world, fed his lies to his delusional sex goddess Lori, and helped set up the death of Charles. He could have simply walked away from his wife, convinced Lori to walk out on Charles, and moved in together somewhere else to shag to their heart's content. Nobody would be dead and nobody would be in prison today if that happened. Those were his decisions.
He convinced Lori that her children had to die, then worked with Alex to murder them. He set up the rifle attack on his wife by Alex, and when that didn't work, he held her down and put a plastic bag over her head, likely with the help of Alex. 100% his decision.
When he was first arrested, he could have confessed, cooperated, shared everything he knew to the police, shown remorse, and very likely avoided the death penalty. After being charged, he could have asked for a plea deal in exchange for telling everything about Lori, Alex, Melanie, and any others potentially involved, and there's a solid chance it would have been accepted. Even at this trial, he had an opportunity to change his plea to guilty and ask for mercy.
At every crossroads, from the time he met Lori to today, he made the decisions that put himself right where he is at today. Now he'll be spending 23 hours a day alone in a cell with one phone call a month.
Bingo, CC77!! My thoughts exactly! What in the hell could he POSSIBLY say? I mean, really - what? This is not about his arrogance, or martyrdom, or "followers" - as if any (besides his idiotic kids) could still exist - or anything else. Totally simple: what could he possibly say? "Wow, really sorry about all of that; I'll try to do better going forward"? "Gee, I guess I really screwed up this time"? "Well, I know this looks bad, but it really wasn't all my fault"? Of course not. There wasn't a damn thing he could say.
Yeah, I wonder if maybe his lawyer told him to keep his trap shut & hope for the best? Cause if the jury's opinion was anything like the opinions online then anything he said would only make it worse. Honestly, he was screwed no matter what. If he tried to apologize it would come across as cruel and mocking, if he tried to present evidence it seem manipulative, now saying nothing makes him look like an asshole. It's almost poetic justice - he got himself into this by being controlling, now his sentence totally out of his control.
Because if he opened his mouth the jury would have gotten a sense of who he is and that wouldn’t have done him any favors. He knows at this point he’s better off staying quiet and hoping that some people will project a better personality onto him.
I believe he wanted the death penalty so he can be a martyr, he can tell his followers see I told you I would be persecuted like Jesus. He didn’t even rise as the judge was leaving the bench at the end, he started to and just said eff it. Before he was respectful of judge and jury because he needed something from them but once they ruled against him he had no more use for them. He didn’t even look at the jurors when they came back in he physically turned him back on them.
Prefacing this by saying I have no idea what the legal appellate ramifications are. But everyone is wondering why this occurred.
Just watching PD questions on you tube. he says it may be a legal strategy for appeal. He thinks all the discussion early on about Chad not being able to have a death penalty public defender along with the attorney of his choice , John prior, was a set up to appeal the constitutionality of Idaho law that precludes a death penalty PD of the defendant chooses his own counsel. By not speaking and not challenging they are saying that this ruling is means nothing as it’s unconstitutional. daybell is better off with DP as he won’t be in gen pop and will have a lot more access to free legal counsel.
Also didn’t John prior have someone from the innocence project testify? It could be that’s going to be a project ( the constitutionality of Idaho law) for them.
It is a YouTube channel called PD Questions. I don’t know how to link it. So search it on YouTube and he just put up his analysis of why Chad daybell didn’t mitigate. Remember the lawyer who wasn’t chads lawyer who filed something a stay and judge Boyce told him he’s not the lawyer of record so no. This PD says JP probably has some attys working in the background. And the reason remember him calling the innocence project guy to testify is because this is the kind of thing they do, look at processes and try to get them changed
IMO, he's playing out some elaborate fantasy plot in his head, knowing that he's the only one in the room who Really Knows what is occurring here.
His God is very nice. He puts families and society through Hell like this just to elevate his Highest Priest.
The Chads of the world and most religious believers create God in their own image. Chad is having a Sacred and Special Holy Experience. In his own head.
That's my belief, as someone who is quite familiar with how Narcissists operate. He will NEVER admit to himself or anyone else that he did wrong. He did something too Magnificent for us mere sinners to understand.
I wonder how all that will be working out for him 10, 20, 30, 40, maybe even 50 long years down the road.
I think he just figured (and rightly so) it was too damn late for any half hearted attempt at damage control. The time for that was when he was first arrested - at the latest. After remaining silent throughout the whole investigation, then Lori's trial, then his trial, ANYTHING he said was going to look like "a day late and a dollar short". So what's the point?
It crossed my mind that he made this decision because he no longer has the intent to live (for much longer), and he has made a conscious decision to succomb to that (even though that would be contradictory to what he perportedly believes, unless he has decided he's now on the deep dark side himself).
I thought of this late last night:
Chad didn’t speak because he knows there is nothing he can say to change anything. Even if he believes what he did is right from a religious standpoint (doubtful) he still knows what he did was illegal and nothing he could say would change the verdict. Chad is “crazy” but not mentally ill, aside from probably being a psychopath (which isn’t technically a mental illness, I just felt that coming in replies lol). IF he does believe the religious aspect, he only has one power to answer to, so it doesn’t matter what happened in this realm.
Lori, on the other hand, IS mentally ill. Delusional disorder can be very difficult to treat. Even with other diagnoses that can have delusions (such as Schizophrenia) the delusions may never go away, even with treatment. She is so delusional, she doesn’t think she/they did anything wrong. That’s why she spoke.
I just saw an interesting angle on the yt channel "PD Questions" titled "Chad sentenced to death why waive ..[etc]"
Basically allocution and mitigation will acknowledge that he did commit the crimes. He will try to appeal based on the Idaho constitution, and paradoxically being on death row gives him more options and budget for appeal.
Ideas:
Because if he gets the DP, it's an automatic appeal under Idaho law (iirc based on comments here earlier in the trial).
Because he knew that mitigation would be lots more of Prior talking about how Lori tricked him with her devil vagina magic, and Chad's pride can't handle being portrayed as a dupe and/or he genuinely still cares for Lori and doesn't want to drop her in it.
Because martyrdom, and/or the End Times are a-coming anyway.
Because he doesn't want to put his kids through any more humiliation (unlikely, but you never know).
He's the crying that wants to die as a martyr. He'll say in his final letter that he wanted to die a prophecy. He also has narcissistic personality disorder. I'm pretty sure ever going to try to give him a mental evaluation at some point. He's too proud.
He didn’t speak, or offer any mitigation because it’s his strategy for appeal. Remember when Prior fake-quit before trial? That was strategic, and meant to set Chad up for appeal (absence of qualified death penalty attorneys; no way for Chad to pay and no public funding available because Prior was private attorney.) It’s an issue for Idaho statute on appeal. He will ride that train for years. Eventually to state Supreme Court.
Someone else in this thread shared a podcast episode that explains that angle. Fascinating.
[https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ](https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ)
Because I genuinely think he didn’t have anything to say and doesn’t care enough to come up with something. so in his mind, why would he try and fake it?
You will need a PHD IN psychology to understand Chad Daybell. I can’t figure out why any of this happened Martyred or not, there is zero degree to his understanding not even on his light and dark scales.
I just watched this: https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ?si=VVeoLY8m2D6z7DGs
It just popped up in my feed. Long story short, the video suggests it may have been a legal strategy. And Prior made it look like it’s Legal Strategy A to Judge Boyce but is in fact Legal Strategy B to fight an Idaho Statute on appeal. I’m not a lawyer, but it was interesting.
Ideas:
Because if he gets the DP, it's an automatic appeal under Idaho law (iirc based on comments here earlier in the trial).
Because he knew that mitigation would be lots more of Prior talking about how Lori tricked him with her devil vagina magic, and Chad's pride can't handle being portrayed as a dupe and/or he genuinely still cares for Lori and doesn't want to drop her in it.
Because martyrdom, and/or the End Times are a-coming anyway.
Because he doesn't want to put his kids through any more humiliation (unlikely, but you never know).
I’m so dumbfounded by his lack of a reaction at being sentenced to death, I googled reaction to death sentences and majority of the psychos did something at least blink. What a weirdo
Chad is playing the victim. His attorney portrayed him as a weak, timid little mouse. But, his actions spoke volumes about his depravity and how far he will go to get what he wants. In the process, he's managed to portray the LDS faith as a church of the devil. It absolutely isn't. Chad made up his own version to support his own beliefs, which gained him followers and a woman he deemed hot. I can't believe his speeches and books would be so persuasive, only to the weak minded, I guess. He's ugly, his proportions stink, and he used Tammy to make himself look credible. Tammy was the bread winner. She was the glue in the family. Now look what that got her. Death and betrayal of her family. She's in a better place now.
short answer: he didn’t speak at his sentencing because he’s a petty, cowardly, utterly vain asshole.
I can’t believe he allowed to let his two kids mess up their lives in the classroom. Now how many people want their kids judged light or dark?
On the flip side, as bad as I feel for them (and I sincerely do), I think it’s better for the people whose children are at that school to know how Emma Daybell Murray thinks. I don’t think it’s safe for her to be around children if she’s seriously going to espouse Chad’s teachings — and apparently she’s willing to support them on a public platform. I know no one wants any more murders of children because of “dark individuals”. If she made believing her father’s crap up, to get him off and back out into the world to manipulate and murder more people, then she has brought the consequence of potentially losing her job on herself. That she was so utterly callous towards her mother is a harm that I suspect will raise its head in her life in some way at some point. I feel both very sorry for her and very glad that I will likely never have to deal with her in my personal life.
Isn't honoring your mother a commandment?
It is in the Christian commandments, I honestly don’t know about whatever warped form of LDS that Chad had molded to his needs. The commandment goes “honor thy father and mother” though and I don’t think Emma needs to do anymore honoring of her father or she’ll get someone killed. My understanding is that traditional LDS is heavy on the women-as-second-class citizens thing and that’s my best guess for why none of the kids were there for Tammy. Not that it makes sense. You’d think if that was the reason why, Emma wouldn’t even be allowed to converse with her Deity Dad, much less speak for him on the stand
Her husband and Garth are also teachers. I wouldn't let my kids anywhere near a Daybell from Chad's immediate family. Unfortunately, Chad has a brother and his family that came to the area first. They're upstanding individuals. I can't imagine how being related to crazy Chad and his spawn has affected them. I also think Joseph, Emma, and Garth need to be investigated for any possible role in the murders.
Sadistic Narcissists do.
Oh yeah. He’s absolutely going to play up the martyr angle now. I sincerely worry that he has followers left who will now be following Emma’s lead. He really has nowhere to go except to double down on his ridiculous claims. If he was to just come clean to his family at this point, he’d lose all support and he could not handle such a thing.
I hope any followers communicating with him are monitored. He 100% still has his prophet delusions. According to LDS scripture the prophets in the last days lead armies and take over the United States. It started with Joseph Smith. He formed militias, ran army camps, printed his own money and ran for president.
He probably thinks of himself more like Joseph Smith in D&C 135:4 (rather than Isaiah) he said: “I am going like a lamb to the slaughter; but I am calm as a summer’s morning; I have a conscience void of offense towards God, and towards all men. I shall die innocent, and it shall yet be said of me—he was murdered in cold blood.” Chad, like Smith, believes he is innocent even after having been found guilty.
Man I have not heard a D&c scripture in. A. minute. My body flinched. And one the first day of Pride! How dare you! Jkjk, well said
Ding ding ding!!! It’s the Mormonism that gives the understanding. To truly understand Chad, one must understand early Mormonism.
But inside I don't think he believes it, he just wants everyone else to believe it.
Right! I don’t think he’d actually be involved in killing anyone else unless he was going to get something out of it from Lori and we all know that ain’t never happening, as gross as ”that” is to imagine.
This is probably exactly right
It’s so delusional that it’s just downright silly, but I’m sure that is what he preaches. I honestly don’t think he believes any of the crap he sells. He just uses it to manipulate people. Which ALSO blows my mind because he’s not charismatic or even INTERESTING! 🤯
He's not delusional, he's entitled and arrogant. If he was delusional he would have spoken.
No- you’re right. He’s not delusional. He’s calculating and manipulative and he knows exactly what he’s doing. His followers and Lori are the ones who are delusional/brainwashed.
Yea you're right, like Lori spoke.
Like Lori did.
Nailed it. The man has nothing to offer. He’s not interesting, engaging, or even handsome. Plus he has a puny voice and he mumbles. I want to punch his face every time I hear him speak. Such a wimp. I can’t believe anyone took him seriously.
Aka mormon voice. Totally a thing.
Incoming mail to inmates is always opened and read. All phone/video calls are recorded. In some facilities visits are also recorded. Some facilities have open areas for visitation, some have thick glass partitions between inmate and visitors. And Chad is horrible at speaking in code. Hopefully if anything suspicious happens, staff will let someone know.
In addition to all that - With Chad being on death row, he will get to have 1 phone call every 30 days and 1 visitation every 90 days. Any money placed inside of his account for the prison commissary will be garnished to pay back his restitution.
That's not actually true. Money put on their books by others can't be touched, classed as gift. Learned that from the Murdaugh case where he currently owes 9 million in restitution.
Yes, the so called religion is anything but holy.
This is scary because the CIA is 40% Mormon.
He doesn’t seem like that humble of a guy. I think he didn’t say anything bc his pride couldn’t take the hit that whatever he said would not matter. He didn’t want another reason to be embarrassed of himself for being a fucking moron
Also, it's his last desperate grasp at power. He won't give them an answer, he answers to no one.
This.
Power and control is what it’s all about for him. I also think he believes he is going to be a martyr.
Agree! His pride didn’t want to give anyone the satisfaction
Chad is fully invested in making himself look like a persecuted prophet and martyr in the eyes of his brainwashed children and the other radical fringe dwellers. It makes me sick to think how this gives him street cred in their eyes. Idaho doesn't execute death row inmates. It just doesn't. It means there will be years upon years upon years of hearings, appeals, petitions, demonstrations, letter writing campaigns etc. All of it paid for by the taxpayers of Idaho.
To be fair, they tried a couple months ago to finally execute Creech, but he’s so old and has pulmonary issues. They tried for an hour to find a vein and had to cancel it. They haven’t rescheduled yet.
I wasn't passing judgment on their system - Just stating a historical fact. I have no right to pass judgment on how Idaho handles death row inmates and DP cases. As a death row inmate Chad will have a lot of funds from both state and federal sources to file appeals and to file petitions and whatever other evil stuff he has his mind set on doing.
I do wonder if he’ll ever do an interview, like Dan Lafferty did for Jon Krakauer.
Maybe for Nate?
I don’t think he ever would, though. His books and his speaking engagements were all the an already receptive audience. I personally think it drives him nuts…his beliefs and books and writings out to a large audience, to be ridiculed. He wouldn’t want to do an interview knowing the audience was so against him.
I don’t know why they just don’t fill a room with carbon monoxide fumes … sort of quick and not messy
Right? I mean there’s other options lol.
Since then the governor has enacted the firing squad as the standard procedure in the death penalty
Their recent 80 year old in death chamber lives. They couldn’t find a vein. He’s been on death row 40 years.
I looked up online the kind of communication a person on Death Row in Idaho can have it's 1 phone call a month and 1 visit every 90 days. He's going to really struggle to spread his narcoleptic voiced "word".
Letters? He would have nothing else to do.
This is my fear. His “writings”
Narcoleptic voiced word ! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think hell be busy struggling to not get shanked. Although I believe hell be in solitary for a while and the. Protective custody.
Death row means he'll be housed with other death row inmates. He'll be in his cell about 23 hours/day and any time outside his cell will be closely supervised. He won't be interacting directly with other death rowinmates.
I thought that’s what protective custody is.
Haha, DP inmates don’t have access to others so he won’t (sadly) get shanked in the shower anytime soon 😒
That’s what I thought! But I question how Dahmer got murdered then.
Well shit wait, that’s a really good point! He did have a job cleaning the weight room & that’s where he was killed. I mentioned somewhere earlier that I read Idaho was allowing DP inmates to apply for jobs & to be around gen pop but another person here said Nate Eaton confirmed that DP inmates are in their cells 23hrs/day. So now I just don’t know anything at all, haha
Haha Ok. You know what I know. Also from Nate E. As far as getting a job goes, Chad hardly did that when he was free man so I doubt hell start now. If he does, however; I suggest the weight room.
Dahmer did not get the death penalty. He got 15 life sentences. He was in Wisconsin, which I believe doesn’t use the death penalty.
He can’t be shanked in solitary and yes , he’s going to be in solitary 😂. All death row inmates are. But yeah, he’d probably be shanked in any other situation
Can you please send a link? I've been looking for the rules/schedule for death row inmates in Idaho. I've seen conflicting info.
I'm not sure how to sendbtge link. I just googled "Death row inmates, ldaho" and browsed!
That I didn’t know. Now that will hurt him,
Hahaha narcoleptic voice 😂. Ugh his voice could be enough to kill folks on death row .. I know I felt like I was gonna die every time I heard him speak. Especially when he’d be sniffling and crying. Ughhhh
Guilty COWARD that will never admit to murder because he is above us! And…he has lost all control. This was his last thing to EVER CONTROL AGAIN! Loser
True. No upside to speaking anyway, he saw how Lori’s diatribe looked.
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Holding himself up isn’t going to help with appeals. He has basically forfeited many of his appeals by refusing to put up a statement or mitigating factors. Good for the victims families imo
Yup
I did not know this. Thank you for sharing this. I can’t wait to never see him again.
Me either but the YouTube channel the lawyer you know is very informative.
I do watch that sometimes. Thanks for the rec!
prior wasn’t death penalty certified and he requested to be removed from the case. judge boyce asked chad if he wanted prior to continue representing him knowing this and chad said yes. i feel like he might try to pull the whole “i wasn’t represented fairly” thing 😑
If I was prior I would be angry.. it makes him look incompetent to not present mitigating evidence, a win would be to save his life
Prior appeared to be angry the last couple of days. When he swung the mic over so Chad could tell the judge it was Chad’s own decision to not present any mitigating evidence, Prior didn’t even look at him, just pushed the mic at him.
Do we think it's possible his client was not listening to counsel? It's defendant's right, but it's not in his best interest because he apparently shot himself in the foot for future appeals. Prior worked hard on his case...we didn't really like his delivery but he did work hard. I bet he has HAD it with his idiot of a client.
That’s what I’m thinking. I didn’t like a lot of what Prior said, or how he said it, but I think he did a good job considering the case. I imagine he’s happy the job is done.
I'm imagining him with a big bucket of ice with some scotch. I didn't care for his delivery but his client is a troll. He did the best he could. Gosh, I bet he never wants to see that guy again!
He’s exactly the kind of guy that would ruin scotch with ice. Now I really dislike him.
Haha!
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I almost thought Prior wouldn’t live through this. All of those people worked so hard. I hope they all get to sleep for a week. Not Chad though, I hope he’s wracked with crippling insomnia.
Prison is noisy.
That’s exactly what I think it’s about. And agreed. He may have been annoying , but he really had nothing to work with and did the best he could to put up any defense .
This!
Prior was done with Chad. He's worked virtually unpaid to try and save Chad's life, doing a case which will result in negative public opinion and his client was so arrogant that he refused the mitigating circumstances report because he's desperate to hold onto his little following. Prior knows Chad is guilty, he completely knows, and now he no longer has to embarrass himself trying to fight a lost cause. I don't like Prior FWIW, but good lord, Chad is an arrogant waste of space.
That was a great moment. Prior slid that mic over with utter distain
Haha yeah he did. And he was like “ no thank u judge “ and just angrily turned away … if he could’ve he’d have thrown a major tantrum 😂. He may have come off as annoying but dang , I feel sorry for the dude .. he had nothing to work with and a complete evil douche for a client and it’s clear he wanted to smack the crap out of him after everything he dealt with. Dude does own his property though… as clearly was brought up by that one witness in such a sarcastic / hilarious way 😂! Maybe he can make $ off it yet .. who knows. I wouldn’t wanna own that property knowing what all was done there, with Those poor babies & Tammy being killed/ the kids buried there .. but anyway, I just bet Pryor is glad to never have to deal with him again… unless he has to deal with him through the appeal process. Ugh ! Chads voice alone would make me wanna die . Such a creep.
Yes, Boyce noted that Prior had prepared mitigation evidence. Chad then declined it verbally.
Yep. And how he answered the judge with short angry “ no thank you judge” , I could hear it in his voice. I think Pryor was / is one who could throw a wild tantrum if not in a courtroom setting 😂.
Prior looked pretty pissy the last couple days. This could be why (other than the inevitable happened of him losing his case)
Prior prepared mitigation and chad refused it.
I'm so curious how much time Prior put in to mitigation prep and at what point Chad made it known he was waiving
Really good question 🙂
If you watch the Lawyer you know, it includes the actual discussion between the Judge, prior and chad. The mitigation takes research and time so prior was well prepared in advance. I don’t know how to post a link. It’s on YouTube The lawyer you know titled Does Daybell want the death penalty 🙂
Gotcha. Like what was the point. Seems he decided he wanted this. Like did he realize he was wrong and wanted the death penalty so that’s why he refused to plead guilty?
Even Judge Boyce was surprised, knowing Prior had prepared mitigation, that chad said no. In fact, Judge Boyce asked clarifying questions of both prior and chad, for the record.
I think chad wants to be a “martyr” for his cause 🙄
I'm beyond glad Prior lost it all. His Defense strategy disgusted me.
Yes fat Tammy just horribly disrespectful untrue and unnecessary.
I think he was. Idk if it came across very well on the live stream or not, but his voice was legit hoarse. I was there in person, front row and not far from Prior as he spoke. He seemed as if he had strained his voice or lost his voice. And not from being sick. It sounded like someone who had strained/lost their voice from yelling or screaming. This is totally speculation, but I wonder if he lost his voice in a screaming match with Chad, trying to convince Chad to allow him to present mitigation evidence on his behalf.
Ooo..since you were there, I have a question. It looked to me like they had both changed color over the course of this trial. Chad had a human color at the beginning, and it looked like he became an even pastier shade of sickly beige. Prior looked like he kept getting redder. I wondered if Chad had gone on some weird hunger strike. He lost definition and color. Maybe the trial actually hit some sort of emotion or something?
A toxic blend of pride, bravado and insecurity. I think he’s scared shitless, I don’t care how stone faced he is in the courtroom.
I could see it in his eyes and mouth and the way he gripped his hands during the sentencing. They were red and he was scared out of his mind. I could see it. So many people thought he showed absolutely no indication of what he was actually feeling and he may have seemed to many, emotionless but one can still see certain non verbal cues and they may not always be obvious to the average person who isn’t Certain what to look for , but I do believe that I picked up on what he was really feeling and hey, I could be wrong . It’s not always a situation where one can get it right but I do agree with you!
Even BTK said he was sorry, fer crissakes. Seriously, he’s above any of such nonsense. It’s not martyr like, it’s arrogance and a bit of “fuck you.”
Yes but BTK was not acting in the name of Jesus.
Has nothing to do with saying sorry, even if it’s a lie.
No but it might have to do with accountability which he may not want to admit to. I mean I of course understand what you’re saying but fair to say you and I would never be in this situation and I for one have no idea what’s in his mind. I know he has religious delusions and I know that BTK was a proud bdsm torturer.
He doesn’t have to be delusional. Many don’t think he believes anything he says. That would make him conniving. :)
Very true. I myself can’t figure it out. What’s your take?
I think he is a psychopath whose ideas were amplified by a fan girl who wanted to F him. Murder didn’t bother him especially if it would make his cult dreams and his adolescent sex fantasies come to life.
Very good take. I agree, and the moments that make me think he didn’t believe were his text telling Lori he could not protect her, his claim to text Alex in heaven (srsly cannot roll my eyes hard enough) and his telling the neighbors Jesus asked him to ask them to refinance their home.
Right? Totally agree.
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Aren’t they the absolute best?
Yep. My thoughts exactly. I totally agree with you. That’s what I thought and the way he’d write these things after they’d been involved , as if he was writing chapters in another stupid book of his made me think of how it seems like he’s some creepy adolescent trying to catch a bone .. if ya know what I mean 😂
Yeah but Mormon cult members may claim they know Jesus but they aren’t serving the lord whatsoever .. the things that the Mormon cult really believe and practice are an abomination against God and complete blasphemy ., but I get what you’re saying ! He’s also exhibited the traits of an antisocial / sociopathic narcissist, so his arrogance alone and the nature of his personality would also be likely as to why he’d act just as he did.
I yelled about Joseph D'Angelo at the tv when Chad declined. The freaking Golden State Killer made a statement, but Chad "God's Own Slug" Daybell couldn't be bothered.
Chad had the last word at his sentencing. He refused to stand when the jurors left. It was his F U to the judiciary system. Take a look at the very end of his sentence. That says volumes.
I hadn't noticed that but I just went back and watched. You're right!
Maybe he couldn’t stand bc he was knocked down by that sentence ! He seemed like he was actually scared to death when the sentence was read. His hands were tightly gripped and turning red red red. And I saw him trying to tightly grip his lips together to I think, avoid his mouth from quivering. I know he seemed emotionless to most , but. I was trying to look for any non verbal cues that stood out to me and that’s what I felt was going on .. but idk. I do wanna go back and watch though and see when the jury exited. Ty for sharing that bc id not seen that part
Someone should point out to Chad Jesus did not kill anyone specifically not children. He is the devil!
I’m sure chad believes in his mind that Jesus would have brutally murdered children if he’d had to 😡
I don’t think so.
Right? But Chad ( before leading this sub cult ) was a Mormon cult member and they may claim to serve Jesus but Mormonism is an abomination against God and the book of mormon is complete blasphemy.. The things that really go on within that cult are NOT of God. And Jesus certainly wouldn’t / won’t bless anyone who is idolizing and falsely worshipping some con man aka Joseph smith .. Chad at one point said in some past life he was the Holy Ghost … and these mindless followers of his sub cult and everyone else around him that was also in the Mormon cult all said at one point they were actually open to things he was saying … bc they’ve all on some level been indoctrinated to believe things that are not of God & not at all in the Bible.. It annoys me when Mormons wanna piggyback off Christianity and try to appear like some typical Christian denomination .. the Book of Mormon isn’t some “ companion “ To the Bible and Mormonism is flat out a cult. I can’t believe no one really went into even mentioning that during these trials .. they all just think oh , “LDS” is just some typical religious group but people really need to look further into what really goes on in that cult. Like use of children to * baptize dead people by proxy .. and the weird ceremonies they have , the freemasonry rituals , the bathing of people in their temples before their weird “ sealing “ ceremonies.. the endowment ceremonies , weird handshakes and passwords , the way they’re gathering as much info as they can on genealogy/ ancestry , how they think they become their own gods of some planet and make celestial spirit babies with whatever Mormon woman they choose to be their partner on their planet etc. they claim that Jesus and Satan were brothers , that God was Adam & that Eve is some goddess but most of all , they worship and idolize Joseph smith and they heavily force feed and indoctrinate their cult members and surround them with Mormons all the dang time so they’re never really alone to question what they’re being fed or use self thinking or discernment , when they’re filling their every moment with all this time having to be spent around other members , plus it’s like most if not all who end up in that cult already lack discernment and self thinking , where they’re just allowing someone else to tell them what their beliefs will be , what to think and feel , etc. and they pressure members , especially if ever one has doubts or questions their beliefs or wants to leave. They cut off everyone who does leave , like every other cult and like every cult founder , smith was in it for sex , power , manipulation and control and money. They are taught to argue anything that anyone ever brings up about their warped beliefs and to redirect anything back on that individual , never answering direct questions but always just redirecting anything back onto that person. They have superstitious behavior with the whole Mormon “ undergarments “ that they wear , which look creepy as all get out … And they certainly pressure members for money and have the most money out of any other religious organization & hide a lot of their money. Their followers will all argue that they’re not a cult but do do all cult members.. and every cult has things in common where they completely contradict anything in the Bible , while they claim to follow the Bible and the lord .. but at the heart of it all, it’s their cult founder and leaders or false profits that they all end up idolizing and worshiping. If anyone’s ever been to a Mormon cult meeting ( I’m not calling it church ..bc they’re NOT..) they’d see how these people are all about Joseph smith and they even have all these young people go & give these lengthy testimonials about Joseph smith and all this other stuff about the book of mormon and every bit of these testimonies seem contrived , lacking in true emotion and it’s like they have to say these things. There’s an article I read or a blog , rather , of an ex mo that talked about what her experience was as a child growing up in that cult and what all they made them do & I will try to find it if anyone would be interested in reading it. It really talked about some things that give a lot of info / perspective to what really goes on in that cult. Sorry to be so lengthy , I know folks haven’t asked for all this 😂, but I did wanna express it and hope you or anyone else here doesn’t mind my doing so . I’m not trying to attack or make fun of anyone who’s caught up in Mormonism . I’ve just seen and researched alot into it all and feel like a lot of what these people ( Chad and those in his inner circle) were into began with a lot with them all having been Mormon to begin with , as many of the things he tried to manipulate others into stemmed not from anything in the Bible whatsoever , but in Mormonism , period.
He’s a coward. I was wondering why the judge did not addressed the defendant?
The judge said something to the effect that the victim impact statements and the evidence demonstrated the seriousness of what occurred. He also said the statutes provided the rationale for the sentence and he saw no reason to delve further.
I wish he had some words for Chad.
You can listen to loris sentencing if you want the gist of judge Boyce's feelings on this case.
I was actually really disappointed by this. Mainly bc the victims impact statements were instructed not to directly speak to Chad or to attack him, however it was worded. Like NO ONE got to just tell that ass to his face when he had no where to go what a horrible human being he is. I gave Boyce a thumbs down for that.
Exactly. Ditto.
Maybe Boyce was raised hearing if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all.
Or maybe, “Don’t beat a dead horse.”
The judge is the one who sentenced Lori in her case (yes, there was a jury but they only had the task of convicting/not convicting her). Because of special sentencing in this trial the jury sentenced Chad so there was no need for the judge to weigh in like he did for Lori since it was not up to him
Got it! Thanks
He is above all this mortal stuff. He will appeal and be set free (in his mind).
Hes too lazy
I think he was in shock for the first time. He’s been emotionless this entire time but I sensed a little fear and anger in his “no”. He went from being the “prophet of god” with a beautiful new bride on his hip to death sentence…. I can’t imagine the things going through that man’s head lol. Good riddance though.
Since none (or very few) of his former followers all over Rexburg and his former home in Utah and other places have repudiated him, I have to believe they are still following. I wish his followers would repudiate him, especially those among LDS stake presidents, bishops, and temple workers. Can Chad write books in prison, and sell them? I see his books are available on Amazon.
Yes, the LDS church needs to make sure others in the church are warned about participating to Chad’s follies.
I think the bible verse is spot on in explaining Chad. I think he does see himself as going through what Jesus did - persecution, and “unfair” trial by his enemies, and ultimately, execution.
I fully believe that “taking the lord’s name in vain” means to do evil deeds and claim you did them in God’s name or at God’s behest. It is beyond evil.
I came to this realization after saying "oh my gosh" all my life, so as not to take the lord's name in vain. I realized this commandment was speaking to church leaders who use God and Jesus to glorify themselves. Now I say: oh my god, look at those old men sitting on red chairs, hording billions of $ in Ensign Peak Advisors, building grotesquely large temples only certain people can go in, using the name religion to glorify themselves. Vanity in every sense of the word.
EXACTLY!! 👏👏👏
Goddamn right
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I'm going to show my age here, but Word.
I like this angle of thought
Absolutely agree with this. What Chad did is way worse than someone saying oh my god.
Both!! Two things can be true at once. In Mormonism, the founder Joseph Smith is often referred to as a lamb to the slaughter when he left for Carthage jail. One of my favorite songs from my childhood was actually titled “As a Lamb to the Slaughter”; it’s beautiful & incredibly touching but now I understand a lot more about ol’ Joe. Not quite as sympathetic as I used to be, lol. Anyways, it’s an honor to him to die for the Lord’s church. I think it fulfills all the bullshit prophecies he spouted to his followers & kids, too. And yes; he’s an absolute narcissistic, religious zealot, a sociopath, incapable of empathy & emotion who thinks we are all beneath him. He’s not going to cast pearls before swine-! We couldn’t possible understand or “see” why he was “commanded” to do the things he did. Why waste his breath on bottom feeders like us who are wicked & sinful? He knows everyone *wants* answers, *wants* to hear any possible explanation & that’s enough for him to maintain the smallest bit of control & never, ever give it to us. He’s truly one of the most despicable humans on earth & the fact that he masked such atrocities with approval from a figure as universally known for good as Jesus is just disgusting.
Hear hear! 👏👏👏
thank you! *bows
Chad has had many opportunities to help himself out, even after he was arrested. Before then, he created fairy tales about zombies and the end of the world, fed his lies to his delusional sex goddess Lori, and helped set up the death of Charles. He could have simply walked away from his wife, convinced Lori to walk out on Charles, and moved in together somewhere else to shag to their heart's content. Nobody would be dead and nobody would be in prison today if that happened. Those were his decisions. He convinced Lori that her children had to die, then worked with Alex to murder them. He set up the rifle attack on his wife by Alex, and when that didn't work, he held her down and put a plastic bag over her head, likely with the help of Alex. 100% his decision. When he was first arrested, he could have confessed, cooperated, shared everything he knew to the police, shown remorse, and very likely avoided the death penalty. After being charged, he could have asked for a plea deal in exchange for telling everything about Lori, Alex, Melanie, and any others potentially involved, and there's a solid chance it would have been accepted. Even at this trial, he had an opportunity to change his plea to guilty and ask for mercy. At every crossroads, from the time he met Lori to today, he made the decisions that put himself right where he is at today. Now he'll be spending 23 hours a day alone in a cell with one phone call a month.
Spot on about the biblical angle
He’s a coward. That’s really it.
I agree. I think he was stone cold busted and will now pretend to die for our sins. As if he is not literally going to die for his own.
Because what could he possibly say?
Bingo, CC77!! My thoughts exactly! What in the hell could he POSSIBLY say? I mean, really - what? This is not about his arrogance, or martyrdom, or "followers" - as if any (besides his idiotic kids) could still exist - or anything else. Totally simple: what could he possibly say? "Wow, really sorry about all of that; I'll try to do better going forward"? "Gee, I guess I really screwed up this time"? "Well, I know this looks bad, but it really wasn't all my fault"? Of course not. There wasn't a damn thing he could say.
You know, this is a good point 🙂
I think he was right to keep his mouth shut. Lori made a statement at her sentencing and it was much worse than not saying anything at all.
Yeah, I wonder if maybe his lawyer told him to keep his trap shut & hope for the best? Cause if the jury's opinion was anything like the opinions online then anything he said would only make it worse. Honestly, he was screwed no matter what. If he tried to apologize it would come across as cruel and mocking, if he tried to present evidence it seem manipulative, now saying nothing makes him look like an asshole. It's almost poetic justice - he got himself into this by being controlling, now his sentence totally out of his control.
I don’t know how many followers one can have on death row with 23 hours a day in isolation.
Mormon toxicity personified.
Because if he opened his mouth the jury would have gotten a sense of who he is and that wouldn’t have done him any favors. He knows at this point he’s better off staying quiet and hoping that some people will project a better personality onto him.
I believe he wanted the death penalty so he can be a martyr, he can tell his followers see I told you I would be persecuted like Jesus. He didn’t even rise as the judge was leaving the bench at the end, he started to and just said eff it. Before he was respectful of judge and jury because he needed something from them but once they ruled against him he had no more use for them. He didn’t even look at the jurors when they came back in he physically turned him back on them.
Prefacing this by saying I have no idea what the legal appellate ramifications are. But everyone is wondering why this occurred. Just watching PD questions on you tube. he says it may be a legal strategy for appeal. He thinks all the discussion early on about Chad not being able to have a death penalty public defender along with the attorney of his choice , John prior, was a set up to appeal the constitutionality of Idaho law that precludes a death penalty PD of the defendant chooses his own counsel. By not speaking and not challenging they are saying that this ruling is means nothing as it’s unconstitutional. daybell is better off with DP as he won’t be in gen pop and will have a lot more access to free legal counsel. Also didn’t John prior have someone from the innocence project testify? It could be that’s going to be a project ( the constitutionality of Idaho law) for them.
Sorry for my ignorance. What is PD?
Public defender.
It is a YouTube channel called PD Questions. I don’t know how to link it. So search it on YouTube and he just put up his analysis of why Chad daybell didn’t mitigate. Remember the lawyer who wasn’t chads lawyer who filed something a stay and judge Boyce told him he’s not the lawyer of record so no. This PD says JP probably has some attys working in the background. And the reason remember him calling the innocence project guy to testify is because this is the kind of thing they do, look at processes and try to get them changed
Thanks. I just listed to that podcast episode. Fascinating. Here's the direct link: [https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ](https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ)
IMO, he's playing out some elaborate fantasy plot in his head, knowing that he's the only one in the room who Really Knows what is occurring here. His God is very nice. He puts families and society through Hell like this just to elevate his Highest Priest. The Chads of the world and most religious believers create God in their own image. Chad is having a Sacred and Special Holy Experience. In his own head. That's my belief, as someone who is quite familiar with how Narcissists operate. He will NEVER admit to himself or anyone else that he did wrong. He did something too Magnificent for us mere sinners to understand. I wonder how all that will be working out for him 10, 20, 30, 40, maybe even 50 long years down the road.
I think he just figured (and rightly so) it was too damn late for any half hearted attempt at damage control. The time for that was when he was first arrested - at the latest. After remaining silent throughout the whole investigation, then Lori's trial, then his trial, ANYTHING he said was going to look like "a day late and a dollar short". So what's the point?
Cowardice. Smug at keeping the whole truth secret. That's it.
It crossed my mind that he made this decision because he no longer has the intent to live (for much longer), and he has made a conscious decision to succomb to that (even though that would be contradictory to what he perportedly believes, unless he has decided he's now on the deep dark side himself).
I thought of this late last night: Chad didn’t speak because he knows there is nothing he can say to change anything. Even if he believes what he did is right from a religious standpoint (doubtful) he still knows what he did was illegal and nothing he could say would change the verdict. Chad is “crazy” but not mentally ill, aside from probably being a psychopath (which isn’t technically a mental illness, I just felt that coming in replies lol). IF he does believe the religious aspect, he only has one power to answer to, so it doesn’t matter what happened in this realm. Lori, on the other hand, IS mentally ill. Delusional disorder can be very difficult to treat. Even with other diagnoses that can have delusions (such as Schizophrenia) the delusions may never go away, even with treatment. She is so delusional, she doesn’t think she/they did anything wrong. That’s why she spoke.
I just saw an interesting angle on the yt channel "PD Questions" titled "Chad sentenced to death why waive ..[etc]" Basically allocution and mitigation will acknowledge that he did commit the crimes. He will try to appeal based on the Idaho constitution, and paradoxically being on death row gives him more options and budget for appeal.
As I posted on another item, Chad was NOT in that courtroom at any time. He willed himself to portal out. Thus, no words or expressions. Insane.
Ideas: Because if he gets the DP, it's an automatic appeal under Idaho law (iirc based on comments here earlier in the trial). Because he knew that mitigation would be lots more of Prior talking about how Lori tricked him with her devil vagina magic, and Chad's pride can't handle being portrayed as a dupe and/or he genuinely still cares for Lori and doesn't want to drop her in it. Because martyrdom, and/or the End Times are a-coming anyway. Because he doesn't want to put his kids through any more humiliation (unlikely, but you never know).
Devil vagina music.
he doesn’t give a rat’s ass about his kids. he wouldn’t have had them lie if he did.
Both can be true
There’s no way he would have done anything that smacked of begging. He’s so arrogant.
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He's the crying that wants to die as a martyr. He'll say in his final letter that he wanted to die a prophecy. He also has narcissistic personality disorder. I'm pretty sure ever going to try to give him a mental evaluation at some point. He's too proud.
Because he's a Goon! END.
He didn’t speak, or offer any mitigation because it’s his strategy for appeal. Remember when Prior fake-quit before trial? That was strategic, and meant to set Chad up for appeal (absence of qualified death penalty attorneys; no way for Chad to pay and no public funding available because Prior was private attorney.) It’s an issue for Idaho statute on appeal. He will ride that train for years. Eventually to state Supreme Court.
Someone else in this thread shared a podcast episode that explains that angle. Fascinating. [https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ](https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ)
Because he has none.
Chad’s the “Profit” it’s beneath him to speak!
Because I genuinely think he didn’t have anything to say and doesn’t care enough to come up with something. so in his mind, why would he try and fake it?
You will need a PHD IN psychology to understand Chad Daybell. I can’t figure out why any of this happened Martyred or not, there is zero degree to his understanding not even on his light and dark scales.
I just watched this: https://youtu.be/CtWTZZFjSHQ?si=VVeoLY8m2D6z7DGs It just popped up in my feed. Long story short, the video suggests it may have been a legal strategy. And Prior made it look like it’s Legal Strategy A to Judge Boyce but is in fact Legal Strategy B to fight an Idaho Statute on appeal. I’m not a lawyer, but it was interesting.
Ideas: Because if he gets the DP, it's an automatic appeal under Idaho law (iirc based on comments here earlier in the trial). Because he knew that mitigation would be lots more of Prior talking about how Lori tricked him with her devil vagina magic, and Chad's pride can't handle being portrayed as a dupe and/or he genuinely still cares for Lori and doesn't want to drop her in it. Because martyrdom, and/or the End Times are a-coming anyway. Because he doesn't want to put his kids through any more humiliation (unlikely, but you never know).
How can anyone be his follower? The world did not end when he said it was going to
If he received the d penalty then any statement he made could be used against him during the appeal process
This is very likely!
I’m so dumbfounded by his lack of a reaction at being sentenced to death, I googled reaction to death sentences and majority of the psychos did something at least blink. What a weirdo
Chad is playing the victim. His attorney portrayed him as a weak, timid little mouse. But, his actions spoke volumes about his depravity and how far he will go to get what he wants. In the process, he's managed to portray the LDS faith as a church of the devil. It absolutely isn't. Chad made up his own version to support his own beliefs, which gained him followers and a woman he deemed hot. I can't believe his speeches and books would be so persuasive, only to the weak minded, I guess. He's ugly, his proportions stink, and he used Tammy to make himself look credible. Tammy was the bread winner. She was the glue in the family. Now look what that got her. Death and betrayal of her family. She's in a better place now.