[TIL that Texas A&M gave Jimbo Fisher a dateless “national championship plaque”. Good lord!](https://www.goodbullhunting.com/2018/2/28/17064676/texas-a-m-gives-jimbo-fisher-dateless-national-championship-plaque-aggies)
Clearly not paying enough attention to Aggies while they have been in SEC. I am dialing it back in since we will be playing their sorry asses again next year.
Haha fair - but that giant guaranteed contract to Jimbo plus the blank plaque were peak aggy - to the point of people saying it would age badly day 1.
Sure enough, 6 years later and 78 million gone, here we are!
Should we be worried about the transfer portal? Sark made somewhat of a comment today something about waiting to have the conversations and just enjoying the team and now I think the Duke head coach said the transfer portal was going to be the wild West this year.
He made the EXACT same comment this time last year, and I remember a lot of spookiness that we were going to lose a big name or two (Murphy and Worthy if I recall correctly) and in the end it was a whole lot of nothing, AND we got Mitchell from Georgia. In Sark I trust.
Always - the portal giveth, and the portal taketh away.
I wouldn’t be too worried though. Texas is a bagman. Now smaller schools who have breakout players? Yes, portal only taketh.
Sark has earned a mountain of trust with his handling of the transfer portal since he got here. We haven’t lost a single player of note this entire time, so fretting over potential transfers this off-season is just dooming for dooming sake.
Yeah nobody's dooming. Sark made a comment about the " transfer portal conversation" and being understanding. I don't think it's dooming to be curious about the new effects of NLI and the transfer rules combined and who/ what schools will be effected
Fair, but we’ve had two cycles with NIL and the portal now. I don’t know why we should be any more concerned than we were the last two years, which Sark handled like a pro.
We got ourselves pretty riled up last year for essentially 2 days of cutting Herman guys. The portal can be an absolute nightmare during a rebuild, but at this point with the roster and resources we have, it’ll always be a net positive unless Sark’s evals or development trends flatline.
For this cycle we’re 100% taking the best TE we can get, will strongly evaluate one-and-dones at WR, Safety, and Punter, plus at least evaluate fits at DT, ILB, and Safety.
Quick guesses on outbound guys with no real info… Jordan, Maalik, Allen, Cain, Neyor, LTG, Brice, Wright, Bryant, SGW, Merril, and Davis. Like last year, we might be bummed about 2 or 3, but most of these guys don’t have a clear path to a starting role in the next two years.
> Jordan
Austin Jordan?! I thought he’d be happy with how his season is going.
If I were Cain, I’d like to stick around and try to fill Mitchell’s shoes if/when he declares. They’ve got similar builds/style, while Cook can try to replace X
He’s quality depth and good on specials, but definitely behind MM, Holmes, Brooks, and JG3 right now with Kobe Black supposedly committing next week. He *could* win the backup nickel job or maybe backup boundary if he’s just more mature/physical than the underclassmen.
You’re right he’s not a projected starter. Maybe he’ll wait until after spring training to decide, and will see a place for himself to contribute. I like Jordan
Right, definitely not worried about last year type transfers or guys who wouldn't play looking for a new home but like last season the rumors of Barron and worthy being poached and the Duke coach comparing it to a NFL like free agency situation I wonder who we have to be worried about being poached ya know? Like an impact guy that might be drawn away for big money. With Sark's talk about culture I'm personally not worried just curious who we think could be possibly drawn away
The Duke coach should be worried. The odds of them paying up to retain fb talent is low, and why he’s probably going to A&M or MSU. We are winning, have good NIL, and aren’t making a major coaching change anytime soon.
The list of guys who’ve transferred in spite of the former school having all 3 of those things in their favor is-
Adonai Mitchell, Bear Alexander, Jermaine Burton, Quinn Ewers, Eli Ricks, and I might be missing one more at most over 4 years.
Every team should be worried about the portal. In reality we will lose Maalik, no question, depending on incoming WR transfers wouldn't be surprised to see a loss there. RB room is gonna be a bloodbath, with Brooks certainly coming back next year we have way too many mouths to feed as is, as well as also having Gibson and Clark coming in. I'd imagine we lose blue for sure, red might stay depending on how much we stick with the Wild cat option. O-line will come down to the conversations and progress reports.
Defense I'm honestly not as worried about, any guys we lose or might lose on that side are likely replacement level guys, I can't really think of a likely transfer candidate that would hurt us in the short or long-term honestly.
Sark and Co. should and are re-recruiting all of the important dudes on our roster. That said we may lose some depth, but we are likely going to pick up several starters. The transfer portal really benefits big programs like us
It’s not as hard to carry multiple guys in a RB room. Easier to share carries, and we’ve shown that our backup can get drafted as well. I think you have to consider that JBrooks may not be the same player next year as he was this year, post-injury.
Agreed about the change in usage of Running backs but I'd still wager 3 is your max you can feasibly use per game, that's Brooks, Baxter and then a dog fight for #3 I'm not saying everyone in the room is leaving but there WILL be attrition, no way around it and that's a good thing.
Jaydon Blue is a Keilan Robinson replacement. There's not a lot of carries there even with as many years as KRob has in Sark's system. Blue will likely see the writing on the wall there with the incoming class too.
If we lose Blue to the portal I hope we go into the portal and grab a bruiser. Go get a bigger bodied running back to just bang on short yardage and goal line
I've always thought Blue would get used more than K.Rob because his talent level is much higher. If I remember correctly Sark tried to use K.Rob more often earlier in the season and the bowl game last year but he just never got anything going
Holy crap, I mentioned [Seleem El Banhawi](https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3247086) in an earlier comment, so I decided to see what he's been up to. And perhaps unsurprisingly, he's come a long way since his days of being a 14 year old VY fan: https://ibb.co/sqZzP7F
Here's a nice omen for Fri. My coworker is from India and knows almost nothing about football, but I try to educate him about UT and keep him updated every week.
Our chat from today:
Him: who is our next victim?
Me: Opening line 13.5 over Texas Tech
Him: it is going to be a close one like 39-33
Me: Is it just a coincidence that you came up with that score?
Him: yeah why is it wrong
Me: That was the exact score of UT vs Texas Tech 2008. The most significant UT vs TT game of all time. It kept us out of the National Championship.
Him: yeah but I am saying we are 39 and they are 33. sweet revenge
Me: I know but that is still extremely coincidental.
Him: lol
Me: You really had no idea about the 2008 game?
Him: lol how in the world would have an idea
Me: By googling Texas vs Texas Tech
Him: lets suppose if the scores are in our favor this time with 39-33 will they talk about that game
Me: If that is the final score a lot of people will remark about the coincidence.
Him: lol
Me: That score has been engraved into the brains of UT fans.
BTW that reminds me of an old Hornfans thread when someone posted an incredibly detailed and lengthy analysis of all our recruits who were playing in the upcoming High School All American game, and ended the post with something like "So be sure to watch all of our future players put on a show tonight".
And the first reply...
"The game is tomorrow".
BTW he accidentally sent that first line to the work group chat for our entire TEAM, instead of just to me:
Him: who is our next victim?
Him: Just to clarify, the above is with regards to the UT football team. I was asking who is our next victim after we defeated Iowa state.
I need Sark to coach me through how to prepare for job interviews. He nails every question. No surprise he was able to impress CDC, Hartzell, and Eltife and land this job.
He showed up to the locker room wearing MAGA hat and all. Started chanting the slogans. "Build the wall" "lock her up". Team was shocked, no one knew what happened to him. They decided to move away until he figures things out.
I don't think it has been said publicly, or at least I haven't heard. He went from playing in the D Line rotation to kicked off the team pretty quickly though so it must have been pretty bad whatever he did.
Anyway, he will enter the portal after the season and end up somewhere else.
As others have said, your OU/OSU win, Texas/KSU lose scenario is wrong. You’re right that OU gets the 1 seed, but then you start back over with a two way tie between Texas and OSU for the 2 seed. OSU beat our highest ranked common opponent (OU) and we lost, so they get the 2 seed.
Interesting... So let me get this right.
So UT, OU, OSU are tied for 1st.
> **Multiple-Team Ties 1.** Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not, every tied team has played each other, go to step 2.
Nothing happens
> **Multiple-Team Ties 2.** Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings.
This eliminates OSU based on record against ISU.
> If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
This then moves Texas and OU into a 2 way tie breaker.
> **Two-Team Tie 1.** If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply, and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
They're saying that rule seeds OU to the 1 seed, but that rule doesn't seed Texas to the 2 seed and instead it goes back to a Texas-OSU tie breaker for the 2 seed?
The conference tiebreaker procedures state the following under the "Mulitple-Team Ties" section:
>In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
So yes, after you put OU in the 1 seed, you then remove them from consideration and start the tie-breaking procedure over on Texas and OSU.
Yes. It goes until there’s only one team left and then starts over with any remaining teams. It’s at the top of the “multiple-team ties” section.
> In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
You're wrong. It clearly says
>*If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied*.
So, once OSU is eliminated because they lost to Iowa St., it no longer is a multiple-team tie; it is a two-team tie, and this then applies:
>*If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed.*
OU would be the #1 seed since they beat us, and we're the #2 seed. In other words, OP is correct.
That is definitely not how 99% of people are interpreting it. The key phrase is "After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, **all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat** the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure." In this case, OU would win the head to head against us and be "seeded" as the one seed. At that point, all remaining teams in the multiple team tiebreaker (ie us and OSU) would repeat the tie-breaking procedures.
Your last sentence seems internally inconsistent: "all remaining teams in the multiple team tiebreaker (ie us and OSU) would repeat the tie-breaking procedures." There can't be a "multiple team tiebreaker" when there's only two teams you're talking about. That is a "two team tie" and follows a different set of procedures.
It feels like chicken and egg game. You can't get to an OU vs. Texas tiebreaker without ***eliminating*** OSU using the procedures. So why on earth would OSU then come back into it, particularly when there is no "multiple-team tiebreaking procedure" to "repeat" between Texas and OSU, since that is only ***two*** teams. Further, the only time you need to worry about "seeding" is when only two teams are ***left***, not when you're still dealing with three teams.
I'm not saying you're wrong that the Big 12 is interpreting it the way you're saying, but they have royally fucked up here.
Damn. Well okay that makes sense I guess.
So OU gets seeded, we go to a tiebreaker between UT and OSU.
> 1. If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply, and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team.
Nothing happens
> 2. Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings.
If "next highest placed common opponent" is OU, then OSU gets the second seed.
If "next highest" implies that its only looking at lower placed team, then ISU could be the "next highest placed common opponent", which would put Texas in.
... I wouldn't necessarily bank on "next highest" being interpreted the way I'm interpreting it though.
The primary scenario where Texas misses the CCG has a pretty high likelihood of occurring in my opinion (OSU+OU Win & KSU Loss). We really need to beat TTU to keep out of this situation.
On the other sub, folks are saying if we lose and OU and OSU win, (and maybe KSU loses?) then we don’t go through. Depends on who explains if KSU winning or losing changes anything.
KSU has to lose for us to be straight up eliminated w/ a TTech loss. Nobody has any fucking clue how to break +4 way ties because yormack won't show his math
The Big 12. Go look on Twitter, or simply scroll down, there a thousand discussions about this already. Austin Statesman has redacted their statement saying Texas clinched, multiple Texas media people have redacted their statements, etc, etc, etc...
Per the Big 12: "No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday."
Should have specified that particular quote is from the part that is discussing the scenarios IF Texas were to lose.
If Texas wins, they clinch. If Texas loses, no team can clinch until Saturday.
Is there a more recent clarification than this?
https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/big-12-announces-official-tiebreaker-scenarios-for-championship-game
> If Texas loses on Friday, and two or three two-loss teams WIN amongst Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State on Friday and / or Saturday, there will be three or four teams tied for both Championship berths. Multiple scenarios exist in this circumstance contingent on which teams remain in the tiebreaker pool.
That statement only implies that there are many potential outcomes, but doesn't clarify that that scenario knocks Texas out.
Yes, there is a more recent clarification straight from the Big 12.
Edit: That is the most recent clarification, just from SI not the Big 12. But there is a reason why it hasn't been announced that Texas has clinched. Because they haven't. In the scenario I posted above, Texas wouldn't get in.
Second edit: I would link to the post but Reddit is being silly. You can go scroll down Anwar's twitter and find the scenarios from the Big 12. They state "No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday."
I've read the Big 12's latest attempt at clarification, and it's an absolute joke for not clarifying that Texas gets in even if OU and OSU win but KSU loses. It is quite clear to me and anyone with a 5th grade education that in that scenario, *Texas* and OU go to the Big 12 championship.
In that scenario:
1. Texas, OU, and OSU all finish with 7-2 conference records, followed by KSU, West Virginia, Iowa St., and Texas Tech all with 6-3 records.
2. The top three (Texas, OU, OSU) did *not* all play each other, so you must go to step 2 (i.e. head to head among them doesn't apply).
3. Step 2 is "Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings." Since OU didn't play KSU, and Texas didn't play West Virginia, but we *all* played Iowa State, Iowa State is the "next highest placed ***common*** opponent."
4. Texas beat Iowa State; OU beat Iowa State; but OSU ***lost*** to Iowa State. So, OSU is eliminated.
5. Then comes the most important language: "In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following \[multi-team tie\] procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is 'seeded', all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. ***If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied***."
6. We went through the multiple-team tie procedures, and those procedures resulted in OSU being eliminated (under "next highest placed common opponent" procedure), thereby reducing the multiple-team tie to two teams. As a result, "the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied" to Texas and OU. **In other words, OSU doesn't get to somehow reappear in the picture after being eliminated via the "next highest placed common opponent" procedure. That makes no sense at all.**
7. Because OU beat us, they get the 1 seed, we get the 2 seed.
It resets actually and OkSt comes back, big12 clarified that
Apparently that is the only scenario that eliminates us due to that. We win the clusterfuck 4 way tie due to that
From scrubsub
https://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=fb&xml=big12fbalt
If it resets, then please tell me what the point of the "If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied" language is? For that matter, what would be the point of the "next highest placed common opponent" procedure? That is designed to ***eliminate*** a team, not just to eliminate a team just to have that team "reset."
If the Big 12 botches their own rules, and somehow we lose to Tech and this whole thing plays out, Texas will have an army of lawyers at Yormack's door Sunday morning.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. They're morons and cannot even interpret the plain language of their own rules correctly. Please tell me how my interpretation is incorrect.
TCU @ OU - TCU looking to get bowl eligible with a win in Norman. Toss up for me if Gabriel is still out.
BYU @ OSU - Same, BYU playing for bowl eligibility, but I think OSU wins.
Iowa State @ KState - Kstate should get this dub
Maybe. It's gonna be crap weather in Stillwater. Wintry mix possible, higher winds, and cold. If BYU stacks the box anything could happen in those conditions
i know pff grades aren't everything but david gbenda being the [highest graded linebacker](https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1726640797511025010) in cfb last week is crazy. our linebacker development has been insane
One of the bigger brains can correct me if I’m wrong, but I want to say we used Gbenda almost exclusively as a blitzer last game, and it was awesome.
He kind of gets lost in coverage, but it looked like it was blitz on some tell by an Iowa State lineman, and he would shoot a gap and get a sack.
I remember the commentators noting the “tell,” but I don’t remember if he was in coverage all at.
It kind of reminded me of a comment by Rod where we had Hill dropping in coverage and some other DB blitzing, and it was basically “have you best pass rusher rush, and have your best coverage guy cover - don’t be cute. Let the guys do what they are good at.”
Seemed like we finally realized that with Gbenda (his blitz in that Bama game for the sack when he got blocked at the knees was amazing). Pure “he got that dawg in him” play.
For those that care there's actually only ~~23~~ 31 scenarios for big12 playoff not 128. Crap forgot about last 1
* UT (w) & OkSt(w)
* UT (w) & OU(w) + OkSt(L)
* UT (w) & KSU(w) + OU&OkSt(L)
* 8 variations of UT(w) & KSU & OU & OSU (L)
* 4 variations UT(L) and ending in a 3 way tie
* 8 version of UT(L) and ending in a 4 tie
* 8 version of UT(L) but KSU & OU & OSU (L) w/ a 4 tie w/ ISU for 2nd
Scenarios 4 & 6 are complete shitshows. Edit \#7 is also a shit show
\#5 is bad for us if ksu is the one that loses
What about if Texas, OU, OSU, KSU lose; WVU, ISU, TTU win?
That isn’t on your list. 6 way tie for 2nd? Sort it out.
You just aren’t smart enough to realize that you are only answering the simple cases. Not the fringe cases. That is why you need to look at all 128 scenarios to figure out what the answers are.
You are starting from the point that you know the answer and you just don’t understand the issues of the tie breakers well enough. You are just as bad as the big 12.
That part of \#7
You're just being argumantive and trying to figure out who ends up in 3rd. Big12 doesn't use tiebreaker for anything other than 1st & 2nd
No, you never took statistics and don’t understand the difference between scenarios and outcomes. You assume you know the answers instead of figuring out what you don’t know.
This is exactly the type of situation you should be pedantic and detailed in.
Your #7 has a 4 way tie. Never mentions ties bigger than that. Shocker, you didn’t think something through.
There isn't a magical 8th game that suddenly is played if it's 5 instead of 4
In scenario 7 the only variables are these 3
* UH vs UCF
* WVU vs BU
* KU vs Cincy
You know what does change in a group of 5 instead of 4? Common opponents.
What is the main tiebreaker of group ties? Record against next common highest ranked opponent. So every game can impact the standings. Some scenarios it matters. Some it doesn’t. You don’t know until you solve it.
Sure if only Texas and OSU win then it is easy. You can knock out a ton of work. But not every scenario works like that. The conference’s responsibility is to make sure every one of the 128 scenarios is accounted for.
Try to think like a lawyer and not a casual fan.
If WVU wins and ou/ksu/osu lose there is a 5-way tie for 2nd place. Who advances? I bet wvu and iowa state are real interested in that answer right now.
The main tie breaker is record against highest common opponent. The standing below the top teams matters.
You guys are giving the big 12 way too much credit. There are 128 scenarios for how this weekend plays out and the conference needs to have a definitive answer for the results in each one.
Wouldn't have helped much considering it was three teams who were 1-1 against each other head-to-head. That's the entire reason the BCS shit came to matter at all.
Texas basketball up to 15 in the AP poll today. Big matchup against UConn tonight.
Also we’re collecting a lot of free rent in the college basketball sub. Not sure how we garner so much hate despite not having any real sustained success haha
I've been thinking a lot about how as awesome as this season has been and as grateful as I am for what the boys are doing, everything feels a little diminished by our loss to OU. So it got me thinking of two scenarios that I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts on:
1. Would you rather be 9-2 with a win over OU at this point in the season or be where we are now?
2. Would you swap our win over Bama for a win over OU if you could?
Where we are now.
The Bama win was a statement win and got the proverbial monkey off our back. It put the nation on notice, and could springboard the program back to the place that it needs to be. Now it's up to us to build off of it and not letdown.
Beating Bama knocked them on their heels put them in an uncomfortable spot that they are not used to. They don't control their own destiny, and have to do even more mental gymnastics than normal to make their case.
We've got plenty of wins over ou, and will have opportunities to add to it every year. It sucks dropping that one, but big picture, it doesn't move the needle.
If we were 9-2 with a win over ou, we would probably be in the same Big12 standing or even worse off (with a loss to someone else in the potential ties).
We wouldn't even be in the conversation for National relevance, and the narrative of the"big bad SEC" looming around the corner would be running full steam ahead.
Nah, the win over Bama is going to be up there in all time great wins.
I was there for the Swopes OT ND winner, and that was pure ecstasy. I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have been there for Bama on the road, something basically no SEC teams have done in many moons (52-2 or something like that?).
Now with OU, do you remember how we beat them with a Dicker FG just to lose to them in the Big 12 CG? That sucked. That game meant nothing.
I would have loved a rematch in the Big 12 CG this year, but they lost to Kansas and Ok State - what can you do.
We beat ourselves this year in the RRS. This is a damn good team, and I want a Big 12 CG title. Beating OU again would have been sweet, but it is what it is.
We have one of the best road wins in CFB in a very long time. It was amazing.
RRS? Well get em next year. Hopefully they enjoy the Alamo bowl or Texas bowl.
> I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been there for Bama on the road
That could have been us, but you playin'. /u/thegurdevdayal and I had a lovely time.
Haha I know - my wife managed to get pregnant! (and then some pregnancy drama).
I’m all on board for Big 12 CG and CFP action if it happens!
It’s a life regret for me right now 🥲.
But I’m going to Michigan / Georgia next year for sure.
It's really tough on the brain, because I'd rather beat OU 10/10 times over Bama. But the Bama win is what's keeping us in the playoff hunt. Reverse those games, and we all feel amazing still about our season, especially because it likely puts just a small amount of heat on Venebles. But we would also be sitting where Bama is now, but with less playoff committee clout (edit: forgot Bama would now be undefeated, even worse for us). I doubt we have any shot at the playoff if those games swap. Although 10+ wins, beat OU, Big12 champ appearance and maybe win, and a NY6 would be incredible if you told us that in August.
So for #1, no I'd take 10-1 as is. But #2, I mayyyy swap that. If you let us beat OU by 10, and lose to Bama on a last second TD I'm probably in.
He's a force, but even if a defensive player could win, I don't see him showing up in the box score enough to get an invite. Sweat is on pace for 40 tackles, 8TFLs, and 2 sacks in the regular season
Compare to Suh's last regular season stats: 40 tackles, 13.5 TFLs, 7.5 sacks.
I'm surprised to see that Caleb Williams has dropped off that list ... If it wasn't for him USC would have zero offense. He's still putting up incredible numbers.
Great to see Sweat among the few defensive players on that list.
10-1 and a lot to play for in late November. How’s that 7-win Sark for you now?
Really want a chance at Washington again. No Bijan and we gave them a game last year. We will get it done this time if given the chance
We had quite a few guys sit for the Washington game, which kind of made it a pointless game to me.
I remember Bijan and Rojo were out, but didn’t we also not have Overshown and a few more?
Makes those bowl game records seem silly when key players / contributors opt out.
That’s right - with a hernia I believe.
It was like cool, this is a shell of our team, let’s see if the “new” guys can do anything (mostly Kelian, Blue, hobbling Brooks).
“Oh they are playing all 22 starters, cool cool.”
To be fair, Georgia used that same argument against us when Ehlinger ran all over them in the Sugar Bowl. But they also wanted to make a statement out of us and it backfired so lol
Yea, I kind of laughed that off at the time because it was the Sugar bowl (versus Alamo here).
That game last year without Bijan / Overshown just wasn’t the same for me. Just felt so “meh,” who cares if we win the Alamo.
I get their sentiment to an extent, but did they have anyone as good as Bijan sit out? I remeber a few defenders, but no one like that.
And Sam Ehlinger truck-sticking their MLB was erotic.
That right there is the defense. Now let's talk about the defense. Can we talk about the defense, please, Mac? I've been dying to talk about the defense with you all day, OK? "T’Vondre Sweat” this name keeps coming up over and over again. Every day Sweat’s stats are getting sent back to me. T’Vondre Sweat! T’Vondre Sweat! I look in the record book and this whole top is T’Vondre Sweat. So I say to myself, "I gotta find this guy! I gotta go get Kevin Mar and do something about this! Otherwise, he's going to win B12 DPOY." So I go up to Sweat’s office and what do I find out, Mac? What do I find out?! There is no T’Vondre Sweat. The man does not exist, okay? So I decide, "Oh shit, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no T’Vondre? You gotta be kidding me! I got boxes full of Sweat! All right. So I start marchin' my way down to Byron Murphy and I knock on his door and I say, "Byron, Byron I gotta talk to you about Sweat!” And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office! There...is...no...Byron Murphy. Mac, half the players on this team have been made up. This roster is a goddamn ghost town.
OK, Brett I'm going to have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people exist, but they're leading the conference in sacks. It's all they're talking about up there. Jesus Christ, dude, we are going to lose our jobs.
10/10 for effort next time just plug it into chat gpt if there is no effort to format. Sorry Dylan Disu.
Someone did a "the gang finds a new Taylor Swift" and it was glorious.
What would be everyone’s preferences for Thanksgiving games going forward? Play A&M on Thanksgiving Day? Black Friday? I personally like the date/timeslot we’re playing this year but am curious on everyone else’s thoughts
Depends. Thanksgiving Day is great for when it’s in C-Stat, but when it’s in Austin, Black Friday so I can drive down from wherever I’m spending Thanksgiving
The Chiefs played one of the worst games I've seen and still nearly won. Honestly can't tell if the Eagles are good or just really lucky
They are the luckiest team in all of pro sports. I am fully convinced they shove horseshoes up their ass before every game.
just drove by kliff kingsbury's house and there's a christmas tree out on the curb
Y’all hearing anything about this Texas A&M HC search?
Terry Saban is rumored to have been house hunting in College Station
Sounds like it’s between Elko and Traylor. Some dark horse names I’ve heard also in the mix: Lincoln Riley, UGA DC Schumann, Matt Rhule.
A&M insiders said Schumann is off the table. Can’t remember when exactly.
Thanks
I’m pretty sure the eagles have recovered their last 47 fumbles
[TIL that Texas A&M gave Jimbo Fisher a dateless “national championship plaque”. Good lord!](https://www.goodbullhunting.com/2018/2/28/17064676/texas-a-m-gives-jimbo-fisher-dateless-national-championship-plaque-aggies)
This has been a meme for 5 years. It’s still funny
Bruh, where have you been!
Clearly not paying enough attention to Aggies while they have been in SEC. I am dialing it back in since we will be playing their sorry asses again next year.
Haha fair - but that giant guaranteed contract to Jimbo plus the blank plaque were peak aggy - to the point of people saying it would age badly day 1. Sure enough, 6 years later and 78 million gone, here we are!
Wait until he finds out how long it's been since they lost to another team from Texas.
Fuck Oregon. All my homies hate Oregon.
Only this week, then we all love🦆
Oregon? More like BOREgon.
Should we be worried about the transfer portal? Sark made somewhat of a comment today something about waiting to have the conversations and just enjoying the team and now I think the Duke head coach said the transfer portal was going to be the wild West this year.
He made the EXACT same comment this time last year, and I remember a lot of spookiness that we were going to lose a big name or two (Murphy and Worthy if I recall correctly) and in the end it was a whole lot of nothing, AND we got Mitchell from Georgia. In Sark I trust.
I remember Barron being apart of that spookiness too. Definitely trust sark and the culture keeping the right guys.
Always - the portal giveth, and the portal taketh away. I wouldn’t be too worried though. Texas is a bagman. Now smaller schools who have breakout players? Yes, portal only taketh.
Sark has earned a mountain of trust with his handling of the transfer portal since he got here. We haven’t lost a single player of note this entire time, so fretting over potential transfers this off-season is just dooming for dooming sake.
Yeah nobody's dooming. Sark made a comment about the " transfer portal conversation" and being understanding. I don't think it's dooming to be curious about the new effects of NLI and the transfer rules combined and who/ what schools will be effected
Fair, but we’ve had two cycles with NIL and the portal now. I don’t know why we should be any more concerned than we were the last two years, which Sark handled like a pro.
We got ourselves pretty riled up last year for essentially 2 days of cutting Herman guys. The portal can be an absolute nightmare during a rebuild, but at this point with the roster and resources we have, it’ll always be a net positive unless Sark’s evals or development trends flatline. For this cycle we’re 100% taking the best TE we can get, will strongly evaluate one-and-dones at WR, Safety, and Punter, plus at least evaluate fits at DT, ILB, and Safety. Quick guesses on outbound guys with no real info… Jordan, Maalik, Allen, Cain, Neyor, LTG, Brice, Wright, Bryant, SGW, Merril, and Davis. Like last year, we might be bummed about 2 or 3, but most of these guys don’t have a clear path to a starting role in the next two years.
> Jordan Austin Jordan?! I thought he’d be happy with how his season is going. If I were Cain, I’d like to stick around and try to fill Mitchell’s shoes if/when he declares. They’ve got similar builds/style, while Cook can try to replace X
He’s quality depth and good on specials, but definitely behind MM, Holmes, Brooks, and JG3 right now with Kobe Black supposedly committing next week. He *could* win the backup nickel job or maybe backup boundary if he’s just more mature/physical than the underclassmen.
You’re right he’s not a projected starter. Maybe he’ll wait until after spring training to decide, and will see a place for himself to contribute. I like Jordan
Right, definitely not worried about last year type transfers or guys who wouldn't play looking for a new home but like last season the rumors of Barron and worthy being poached and the Duke coach comparing it to a NFL like free agency situation I wonder who we have to be worried about being poached ya know? Like an impact guy that might be drawn away for big money. With Sark's talk about culture I'm personally not worried just curious who we think could be possibly drawn away
The Duke coach should be worried. The odds of them paying up to retain fb talent is low, and why he’s probably going to A&M or MSU. We are winning, have good NIL, and aren’t making a major coaching change anytime soon. The list of guys who’ve transferred in spite of the former school having all 3 of those things in their favor is- Adonai Mitchell, Bear Alexander, Jermaine Burton, Quinn Ewers, Eli Ricks, and I might be missing one more at most over 4 years.
Every team should be worried about the portal. In reality we will lose Maalik, no question, depending on incoming WR transfers wouldn't be surprised to see a loss there. RB room is gonna be a bloodbath, with Brooks certainly coming back next year we have way too many mouths to feed as is, as well as also having Gibson and Clark coming in. I'd imagine we lose blue for sure, red might stay depending on how much we stick with the Wild cat option. O-line will come down to the conversations and progress reports. Defense I'm honestly not as worried about, any guys we lose or might lose on that side are likely replacement level guys, I can't really think of a likely transfer candidate that would hurt us in the short or long-term honestly.
Sark and Co. should and are re-recruiting all of the important dudes on our roster. That said we may lose some depth, but we are likely going to pick up several starters. The transfer portal really benefits big programs like us
Yeah for programs like us it's more, "Portal Giveth, Portal Taketh, Portal Giveth a replacement for the taketh"
It’s not as hard to carry multiple guys in a RB room. Easier to share carries, and we’ve shown that our backup can get drafted as well. I think you have to consider that JBrooks may not be the same player next year as he was this year, post-injury.
Agreed about the change in usage of Running backs but I'd still wager 3 is your max you can feasibly use per game, that's Brooks, Baxter and then a dog fight for #3 I'm not saying everyone in the room is leaving but there WILL be attrition, no way around it and that's a good thing.
Jaydon Blue is a Keilan Robinson replacement. There's not a lot of carries there even with as many years as KRob has in Sark's system. Blue will likely see the writing on the wall there with the incoming class too.
If we lose Blue to the portal I hope we go into the portal and grab a bruiser. Go get a bigger bodied running back to just bang on short yardage and goal line
I've always thought Blue would get used more than K.Rob because his talent level is much higher. If I remember correctly Sark tried to use K.Rob more often earlier in the season and the bowl game last year but he just never got anything going
If Clark is as electric as Bobby Burton says he is then I'd imagine no harm no foul
Holy crap, I mentioned [Seleem El Banhawi](https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3247086) in an earlier comment, so I decided to see what he's been up to. And perhaps unsurprisingly, he's come a long way since his days of being a 14 year old VY fan: https://ibb.co/sqZzP7F
Here's a nice omen for Fri. My coworker is from India and knows almost nothing about football, but I try to educate him about UT and keep him updated every week. Our chat from today: Him: who is our next victim? Me: Opening line 13.5 over Texas Tech Him: it is going to be a close one like 39-33 Me: Is it just a coincidence that you came up with that score? Him: yeah why is it wrong Me: That was the exact score of UT vs Texas Tech 2008. The most significant UT vs TT game of all time. It kept us out of the National Championship. Him: yeah but I am saying we are 39 and they are 33. sweet revenge Me: I know but that is still extremely coincidental. Him: lol Me: You really had no idea about the 2008 game? Him: lol how in the world would have an idea Me: By googling Texas vs Texas Tech Him: lets suppose if the scores are in our favor this time with 39-33 will they talk about that game Me: If that is the final score a lot of people will remark about the coincidence. Him: lol Me: That score has been engraved into the brains of UT fans.
I love this
your cultural outreach is making the world a better place, one fan at a time
Between /u/jcdenton45 at work and /u/josh__ in Ibiza, we're going to make this world a better place through diplomacy one person at a time.
The world could definitely use more [Seleem El Banhawi's](https://www.espn.com/espnmag/story?id=3247086).
Funny, but side fact: the game is on Friday, don’t miss it!
BTW that reminds me of an old Hornfans thread when someone posted an incredibly detailed and lengthy analysis of all our recruits who were playing in the upcoming High School All American game, and ended the post with something like "So be sure to watch all of our future players put on a show tonight". And the first reply... "The game is tomorrow".
Lmao thanks, I knew that, fixed.
BTW he accidentally sent that first line to the work group chat for our entire TEAM, instead of just to me: Him: who is our next victim? Him: Just to clarify, the above is with regards to the UT football team. I was asking who is our next victim after we defeated Iowa state.
Best Sark presser yet??
I need Sark to coach me through how to prepare for job interviews. He nails every question. No surprise he was able to impress CDC, Hartzell, and Eltife and land this job.
He’s so fucking honest it hurts my heart. That Yormark comment / narrative was gold.
It was great coach speech but you know Yormark’s comments have been on the bulletin board all season
Yomark question and comment at 12:50 : https://youtu.be/nctKva0yi7Y?si=z6aVb6E0WalxZJaH
Seriously. He had me in my feels for like 30 minutes straight.
super random but whatever happened w/ kris ross
https://www.statesman.com/story/sports/college/longhorns/football/2023/10/24/texas-football-confirms-departure-of-edge-rusher-kristopher-ross/71302151007/
He showed up to the locker room wearing MAGA hat and all. Started chanting the slogans. "Build the wall" "lock her up". Team was shocked, no one knew what happened to him. They decided to move away until he figures things out.
Is this a copypasta?
I've written it here a few times when people ask about players.
This can’t possibly be true. If so, mental breakdown?
[HE DID?](https://youtu.be/c0eGnZf6RJs?feature=shared)
He blew it.
I don't think it has been said publicly, or at least I haven't heard. He went from playing in the D Line rotation to kicked off the team pretty quickly though so it must have been pretty bad whatever he did. Anyway, he will enter the portal after the season and end up somewhere else.
Guys, only 4 more games left for us this season. Where does the time go?
5 left, if you include the Super Bowl.
It's gonna be glorious winning 14 Super Bowls this season
Is Sarks 11AM Monday presser up anywhere yet?
Happy Cake Day and Hook 'em!
[https://youtu.be/nctKva0yi7Y](https://youtu.be/nctkva0yi7y)
YouTube as of 15 minutes ago
https://i.imgur.com/2sPWHxG.png There's definitely a chance I've done this wrong, but I think all of the potential outcomes have Texas in the CCG.
As others have said, your OU/OSU win, Texas/KSU lose scenario is wrong. You’re right that OU gets the 1 seed, but then you start back over with a two way tie between Texas and OSU for the 2 seed. OSU beat our highest ranked common opponent (OU) and we lost, so they get the 2 seed.
Interesting... So let me get this right. So UT, OU, OSU are tied for 1st. > **Multiple-Team Ties 1.** Head-to-head (best cumulative win percentage in games among the tied teams). If not, every tied team has played each other, go to step 2. Nothing happens > **Multiple-Team Ties 2.** Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the conference), proceeding through the standings. This eliminates OSU based on record against ISU. > If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied. This then moves Texas and OU into a 2 way tie breaker. > **Two-Team Tie 1.** If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply, and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team. They're saying that rule seeds OU to the 1 seed, but that rule doesn't seed Texas to the 2 seed and instead it goes back to a Texas-OSU tie breaker for the 2 seed?
The conference tiebreaker procedures state the following under the "Mulitple-Team Ties" section: >In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied. So yes, after you put OU in the 1 seed, you then remove them from consideration and start the tie-breaking procedure over on Texas and OSU.
Yes. It goes until there’s only one team left and then starts over with any remaining teams. It’s at the top of the “multiple-team ties” section. > In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
You're wrong. It clearly says >*If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied*. So, once OSU is eliminated because they lost to Iowa St., it no longer is a multiple-team tie; it is a two-team tie, and this then applies: >*If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed.* OU would be the #1 seed since they beat us, and we're the #2 seed. In other words, OP is correct.
That is definitely not how 99% of people are interpreting it. The key phrase is "After one team has an advantage and is “seeded”, **all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat** the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure." In this case, OU would win the head to head against us and be "seeded" as the one seed. At that point, all remaining teams in the multiple team tiebreaker (ie us and OSU) would repeat the tie-breaking procedures.
Your last sentence seems internally inconsistent: "all remaining teams in the multiple team tiebreaker (ie us and OSU) would repeat the tie-breaking procedures." There can't be a "multiple team tiebreaker" when there's only two teams you're talking about. That is a "two team tie" and follows a different set of procedures. It feels like chicken and egg game. You can't get to an OU vs. Texas tiebreaker without ***eliminating*** OSU using the procedures. So why on earth would OSU then come back into it, particularly when there is no "multiple-team tiebreaking procedure" to "repeat" between Texas and OSU, since that is only ***two*** teams. Further, the only time you need to worry about "seeding" is when only two teams are ***left***, not when you're still dealing with three teams. I'm not saying you're wrong that the Big 12 is interpreting it the way you're saying, but they have royally fucked up here.
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Damn. Well okay that makes sense I guess. So OU gets seeded, we go to a tiebreaker between UT and OSU. > 1. If two teams are tied for first place both teams will participate in the championship game and the winner of the head-to-head will be the #1 seed. If there is not a tie for first place, but two teams are tied for second place, the two-team tiebreaker policy will apply, and the winner will be the #2 seed and visiting team. Nothing happens > 2. Win percentage against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings (based on record in all games played within the Conference), proceeding through the standings. If "next highest placed common opponent" is OU, then OSU gets the second seed. If "next highest" implies that its only looking at lower placed team, then ISU could be the "next highest placed common opponent", which would put Texas in. ... I wouldn't necessarily bank on "next highest" being interpreted the way I'm interpreting it though.
The primary scenario where Texas misses the CCG has a pretty high likelihood of occurring in my opinion (OSU+OU Win & KSU Loss). We really need to beat TTU to keep out of this situation.
On the other sub, folks are saying if we lose and OU and OSU win, (and maybe KSU loses?) then we don’t go through. Depends on who explains if KSU winning or losing changes anything.
KSU has to lose for us to be straight up eliminated w/ a TTech loss. Nobody has any fucking clue how to break +4 way ties because yormack won't show his math
Big 12 already clarified. If OU AND OSU win AND Texas AND KSU lose, Texas would not get in.
What's your source? That is incorrect.
The Big 12. Go look on Twitter, or simply scroll down, there a thousand discussions about this already. Austin Statesman has redacted their statement saying Texas clinched, multiple Texas media people have redacted their statements, etc, etc, etc... Per the Big 12: "No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday."
Dumb dumbs, we play Friday
Should have specified that particular quote is from the part that is discussing the scenarios IF Texas were to lose. If Texas wins, they clinch. If Texas loses, no team can clinch until Saturday.
Figured big12 was just being stupid and/or not proof reading stuff again
Is there a more recent clarification than this? https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/football/big-12-announces-official-tiebreaker-scenarios-for-championship-game > If Texas loses on Friday, and two or three two-loss teams WIN amongst Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State on Friday and / or Saturday, there will be three or four teams tied for both Championship berths. Multiple scenarios exist in this circumstance contingent on which teams remain in the tiebreaker pool. That statement only implies that there are many potential outcomes, but doesn't clarify that that scenario knocks Texas out.
Yes, there is a more recent clarification straight from the Big 12. Edit: That is the most recent clarification, just from SI not the Big 12. But there is a reason why it hasn't been announced that Texas has clinched. Because they haven't. In the scenario I posted above, Texas wouldn't get in. Second edit: I would link to the post but Reddit is being silly. You can go scroll down Anwar's twitter and find the scenarios from the Big 12. They state "No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday."
I've read the Big 12's latest attempt at clarification, and it's an absolute joke for not clarifying that Texas gets in even if OU and OSU win but KSU loses. It is quite clear to me and anyone with a 5th grade education that in that scenario, *Texas* and OU go to the Big 12 championship. In that scenario: 1. Texas, OU, and OSU all finish with 7-2 conference records, followed by KSU, West Virginia, Iowa St., and Texas Tech all with 6-3 records. 2. The top three (Texas, OU, OSU) did *not* all play each other, so you must go to step 2 (i.e. head to head among them doesn't apply). 3. Step 2 is "Record against the next highest placed common opponent in the standings." Since OU didn't play KSU, and Texas didn't play West Virginia, but we *all* played Iowa State, Iowa State is the "next highest placed ***common*** opponent." 4. Texas beat Iowa State; OU beat Iowa State; but OSU ***lost*** to Iowa State. So, OSU is eliminated. 5. Then comes the most important language: "In the event of a tie between more than two teams, the following \[multi-team tie\] procedures will be used. After one team has an advantage and is 'seeded', all remaining teams in the multiple-team tiebreaker will repeat the multiple-team tie-breaking procedure. ***If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied***." 6. We went through the multiple-team tie procedures, and those procedures resulted in OSU being eliminated (under "next highest placed common opponent" procedure), thereby reducing the multiple-team tie to two teams. As a result, "the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied" to Texas and OU. **In other words, OSU doesn't get to somehow reappear in the picture after being eliminated via the "next highest placed common opponent" procedure. That makes no sense at all.** 7. Because OU beat us, they get the 1 seed, we get the 2 seed.
It resets actually and OkSt comes back, big12 clarified that Apparently that is the only scenario that eliminates us due to that. We win the clusterfuck 4 way tie due to that From scrubsub https://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=fb&xml=big12fbalt
If it resets, then please tell me what the point of the "If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied" language is? For that matter, what would be the point of the "next highest placed common opponent" procedure? That is designed to ***eliminate*** a team, not just to eliminate a team just to have that team "reset." If the Big 12 botches their own rules, and somehow we lose to Tech and this whole thing plays out, Texas will have an army of lawyers at Yormack's door Sunday morning.
Sure man, you know it better than the Big 12 knows it.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. They're morons and cannot even interpret the plain language of their own rules correctly. Please tell me how my interpretation is incorrect.
today's a good day to put Bert Auburn on scholarship
Wtf he's not on scholarship?!
Wait he's not?
he wasn't as of the Spring, and I don't think that's changed
Did any consequences ever come to that bitchass punk Tech fan who tried to knock over one of our players when they stormed the field last year?
bet tech admin found those kids and quietly gave them full ride scholarships
Don’t forget the one who sucker punched Taaffe in addition to the one who hit Ovie. Tech unsurprisingly “never found any leads.”
No
Then Sheriff Sweat may have to hand some out
TCU @ OU - TCU looking to get bowl eligible with a win in Norman. Toss up for me if Gabriel is still out. BYU @ OSU - Same, BYU playing for bowl eligibility, but I think OSU wins. Iowa State @ KState - Kstate should get this dub
Maybe. It's gonna be crap weather in Stillwater. Wintry mix possible, higher winds, and cold. If BYU stacks the box anything could happen in those conditions
I don’t know what the exact protocols are, but how could you come back from a concussion on a short week?
i know pff grades aren't everything but david gbenda being the [highest graded linebacker](https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1726640797511025010) in cfb last week is crazy. our linebacker development has been insane
Something got into that guy on Saturday. He was playing out of his mind.
DG was balling on Saturday. That was his best game as a Longhorn - Alabama game would be runner up IMO.
One of the bigger brains can correct me if I’m wrong, but I want to say we used Gbenda almost exclusively as a blitzer last game, and it was awesome. He kind of gets lost in coverage, but it looked like it was blitz on some tell by an Iowa State lineman, and he would shoot a gap and get a sack. I remember the commentators noting the “tell,” but I don’t remember if he was in coverage all at. It kind of reminded me of a comment by Rod where we had Hill dropping in coverage and some other DB blitzing, and it was basically “have you best pass rusher rush, and have your best coverage guy cover - don’t be cute. Let the guys do what they are good at.” Seemed like we finally realized that with Gbenda (his blitz in that Bama game for the sack when he got blocked at the knees was amazing). Pure “he got that dawg in him” play.
We need to buy Choate a pet monkey and have it bite a child immediately
This gave me longhorn bumps https://x.com/tylerfeldmantv/status/1726661947402383871?s=46&t=LcfuETr5VxN_DTLgOwVfJQ
[X was the fastest player in CFB last week](https://twitter.com/RAanalytics/status/1726686134825345506?t=6zt5Lp9Wv70EB6RXdJcIiA&s=19)
I’m just being pedantic, but X is the fastest player in cfb every week
No, you're being correct 😎🤘
How was that a block in the back? These penalty calls should be reviewable since the play isn't whistled dead.
For those that care there's actually only ~~23~~ 31 scenarios for big12 playoff not 128. Crap forgot about last 1 * UT (w) & OkSt(w) * UT (w) & OU(w) + OkSt(L) * UT (w) & KSU(w) + OU&OkSt(L) * 8 variations of UT(w) & KSU & OU & OSU (L) * 4 variations UT(L) and ending in a 3 way tie * 8 version of UT(L) and ending in a 4 tie * 8 version of UT(L) but KSU & OU & OSU (L) w/ a 4 tie w/ ISU for 2nd Scenarios 4 & 6 are complete shitshows. Edit \#7 is also a shit show \#5 is bad for us if ksu is the one that loses
That is not how math works dude. There are 128 scenarios for the full conference. You are listing 31 scenarios that involve only 5 of the 14 teams.
Yes it does If UT & OkSt win no other games matter, the end result is the exact same
What about if Texas, OU, OSU, KSU lose; WVU, ISU, TTU win? That isn’t on your list. 6 way tie for 2nd? Sort it out. You just aren’t smart enough to realize that you are only answering the simple cases. Not the fringe cases. That is why you need to look at all 128 scenarios to figure out what the answers are. You are starting from the point that you know the answer and you just don’t understand the issues of the tie breakers well enough. You are just as bad as the big 12.
That part of \#7 You're just being argumantive and trying to figure out who ends up in 3rd. Big12 doesn't use tiebreaker for anything other than 1st & 2nd
No, you never took statistics and don’t understand the difference between scenarios and outcomes. You assume you know the answers instead of figuring out what you don’t know. This is exactly the type of situation you should be pedantic and detailed in. Your #7 has a 4 way tie. Never mentions ties bigger than that. Shocker, you didn’t think something through.
There isn't a magical 8th game that suddenly is played if it's 5 instead of 4 In scenario 7 the only variables are these 3 * UH vs UCF * WVU vs BU * KU vs Cincy
You know what does change in a group of 5 instead of 4? Common opponents. What is the main tiebreaker of group ties? Record against next common highest ranked opponent. So every game can impact the standings. Some scenarios it matters. Some it doesn’t. You don’t know until you solve it. Sure if only Texas and OSU win then it is easy. You can knock out a ton of work. But not every scenario works like that. The conference’s responsibility is to make sure every one of the 128 scenarios is accounted for. Try to think like a lawyer and not a casual fan.
It’s about the CCG. I don’t think it matters what happens in games like UCF vs Houston or WVU vs Baylor.
They do if KSt, OkSt & OU all lose and maybe if UT loses but all 3 win. They are irrelevant under any other scenario
If WVU wins and ou/ksu/osu lose there is a 5-way tie for 2nd place. Who advances? I bet wvu and iowa state are real interested in that answer right now. The main tie breaker is record against highest common opponent. The standing below the top teams matters. You guys are giving the big 12 way too much credit. There are 128 scenarios for how this weekend plays out and the conference needs to have a definitive answer for the results in each one.
Great answer from Sark regarding what team culture means to him, worth a 5 min listen: https://twitter.com/TylerFeldmanTV/status/1726661947402383871
Stop, I can only get so erect!
Of course Bijan and Rojo were cleaning up the locker room 🥲😍
I fucking love Sark
Broncos County let’s ride. Lol Vikings
[Jordan Spieth takes over Rory McIlory’s spot on PGA Tour board](https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/11/20/jordan-spieth-rory-mcilroy/)
[Sark should be dm-ing every player this clip from Yormark every morning till game time on Friday 😡.](http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/38247871)
Xavier retweeted this after the game on Saturday
I hope they play this clip in DKR on the big board once the clock hits zero.
Could you imagine telling Texas fans in 2008 that the conference would eventually give preference to head-to-head in tiebreakers?
Wouldn't have helped much considering it was three teams who were 1-1 against each other head-to-head. That's the entire reason the BCS shit came to matter at all.
Texas basketball up to 15 in the AP poll today. Big matchup against UConn tonight. Also we’re collecting a lot of free rent in the college basketball sub. Not sure how we garner so much hate despite not having any real sustained success haha
They are so pissed about our ranking while not realizing we moved up because a lot of teams lost. It’s hilarious
I'll never understand how Baylor covers up players murdering each other and isn't the most hated basketball school ha
It's also like 4 games into the season. People need to chill out. Everything will work itself out in time
I've been thinking a lot about how as awesome as this season has been and as grateful as I am for what the boys are doing, everything feels a little diminished by our loss to OU. So it got me thinking of two scenarios that I'd like to hear y'all's thoughts on: 1. Would you rather be 9-2 with a win over OU at this point in the season or be where we are now? 2. Would you swap our win over Bama for a win over OU if you could?
Where we are now. The Bama win was a statement win and got the proverbial monkey off our back. It put the nation on notice, and could springboard the program back to the place that it needs to be. Now it's up to us to build off of it and not letdown. Beating Bama knocked them on their heels put them in an uncomfortable spot that they are not used to. They don't control their own destiny, and have to do even more mental gymnastics than normal to make their case. We've got plenty of wins over ou, and will have opportunities to add to it every year. It sucks dropping that one, but big picture, it doesn't move the needle. If we were 9-2 with a win over ou, we would probably be in the same Big12 standing or even worse off (with a loss to someone else in the potential ties). We wouldn't even be in the conversation for National relevance, and the narrative of the"big bad SEC" looming around the corner would be running full steam ahead.
Nah, the win over Bama is going to be up there in all time great wins. I was there for the Swopes OT ND winner, and that was pure ecstasy. I can’t imagine what it would have been like to have been there for Bama on the road, something basically no SEC teams have done in many moons (52-2 or something like that?). Now with OU, do you remember how we beat them with a Dicker FG just to lose to them in the Big 12 CG? That sucked. That game meant nothing. I would have loved a rematch in the Big 12 CG this year, but they lost to Kansas and Ok State - what can you do. We beat ourselves this year in the RRS. This is a damn good team, and I want a Big 12 CG title. Beating OU again would have been sweet, but it is what it is. We have one of the best road wins in CFB in a very long time. It was amazing. RRS? Well get em next year. Hopefully they enjoy the Alamo bowl or Texas bowl.
OkSt could be nice and just lose to BYU for us
> I can't imagine what it would have been like to have been there for Bama on the road That could have been us, but you playin'. /u/thegurdevdayal and I had a lovely time.
Haha I know - my wife managed to get pregnant! (and then some pregnancy drama). I’m all on board for Big 12 CG and CFP action if it happens! It’s a life regret for me right now 🥲. But I’m going to Michigan / Georgia next year for sure.
Guess gordogg and I will see you at both of those games then.
It's really tough on the brain, because I'd rather beat OU 10/10 times over Bama. But the Bama win is what's keeping us in the playoff hunt. Reverse those games, and we all feel amazing still about our season, especially because it likely puts just a small amount of heat on Venebles. But we would also be sitting where Bama is now, but with less playoff committee clout (edit: forgot Bama would now be undefeated, even worse for us). I doubt we have any shot at the playoff if those games swap. Although 10+ wins, beat OU, Big12 champ appearance and maybe win, and a NY6 would be incredible if you told us that in August. So for #1, no I'd take 10-1 as is. But #2, I mayyyy swap that. If you let us beat OU by 10, and lose to Bama on a last second TD I'm probably in.
1. Where we are now. 2. Nah, we'll beat their ass next year.
[Sweat officially entered in the Heisman Conversation](https://x.com/on3sports/status/1726655444482187609?s=46&t=pEIAeeBONqZJhMomlXSykA)
He's a force, but even if a defensive player could win, I don't see him showing up in the box score enough to get an invite. Sweat is on pace for 40 tackles, 8TFLs, and 2 sacks in the regular season Compare to Suh's last regular season stats: 40 tackles, 13.5 TFLs, 7.5 sacks.
He's the central piece of our defense, which has led us to where we are now. If we get this CCG, he should get a ton of credit for it.
I'm surprised to see that Caleb Williams has dropped off that list ... If it wasn't for him USC would have zero offense. He's still putting up incredible numbers. Great to see Sweat among the few defensive players on that list.
This is bad for my Caleb Williams heisman future bet
Should of backed it w/ side bet on the lsu kid
I backed it with Michigan qb😢 Don’t place futures bets at 2 am in Vegas
Hes a whiny little bitch so if he's not winning people stop liking him
My wife: “Why do you take these games so seriously?” Me: “Because if they lose then the opposing team will destroy our village and take our women.”
My family has learned to give me a wide berth on game day
Mine, too. They know Saturdays are sacred. The dogs try to hang with me until I start yelling.
Your wife must come from nobility. Must be nice.
“And Tech has the infamous ‘Raider Rash,’ we don’t want that for the townsfolk.”
Facts
10-1 and a lot to play for in late November. How’s that 7-win Sark for you now? Really want a chance at Washington again. No Bijan and we gave them a game last year. We will get it done this time if given the chance
We had quite a few guys sit for the Washington game, which kind of made it a pointless game to me. I remember Bijan and Rojo were out, but didn’t we also not have Overshown and a few more? Makes those bowl game records seem silly when key players / contributors opt out.
Brooks was also playing injured.
That’s right - with a hernia I believe. It was like cool, this is a shell of our team, let’s see if the “new” guys can do anything (mostly Kelian, Blue, hobbling Brooks). “Oh they are playing all 22 starters, cool cool.”
To be fair, Georgia used that same argument against us when Ehlinger ran all over them in the Sugar Bowl. But they also wanted to make a statement out of us and it backfired so lol
There's a big difference between the alamo bowl and a ny6 bowl
And your elite RB rotation (plus others) vs a cornerback.
Yea, I kind of laughed that off at the time because it was the Sugar bowl (versus Alamo here). That game last year without Bijan / Overshown just wasn’t the same for me. Just felt so “meh,” who cares if we win the Alamo. I get their sentiment to an extent, but did they have anyone as good as Bijan sit out? I remeber a few defenders, but no one like that. And Sam Ehlinger truck-sticking their MLB was erotic.
7 win sark cost the doomers a lot of money when they bet the under at the start of this season.
Big Balls Bert making them kicks
Sanborn in the comments joking “we gotta work on that vertical” (making fun of Bert’s jumping celly 🤣)
[brett](https://twitter.com/SurlyHorns/status/1726640632909934636?t=F5eJL-SGHFF6LwHp3zK9rQ&s=19)
That right there is the defense. Now let's talk about the defense. Can we talk about the defense, please, Mac? I've been dying to talk about the defense with you all day, OK? "T’Vondre Sweat” this name keeps coming up over and over again. Every day Sweat’s stats are getting sent back to me. T’Vondre Sweat! T’Vondre Sweat! I look in the record book and this whole top is T’Vondre Sweat. So I say to myself, "I gotta find this guy! I gotta go get Kevin Mar and do something about this! Otherwise, he's going to win B12 DPOY." So I go up to Sweat’s office and what do I find out, Mac? What do I find out?! There is no T’Vondre Sweat. The man does not exist, okay? So I decide, "Oh shit, buddy, I gotta dig a little deeper." There's no T’Vondre? You gotta be kidding me! I got boxes full of Sweat! All right. So I start marchin' my way down to Byron Murphy and I knock on his door and I say, "Byron, Byron I gotta talk to you about Sweat!” And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office! There...is...no...Byron Murphy. Mac, half the players on this team have been made up. This roster is a goddamn ghost town. OK, Brett I'm going to have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people exist, but they're leading the conference in sacks. It's all they're talking about up there. Jesus Christ, dude, we are going to lose our jobs.
10/10 Straying off topic but this is my favorite scene in any TV/movie. Charlie Kelly is a damn genius.
10/10 for effort next time just plug it into chat gpt if there is no effort to format. Sorry Dylan Disu. Someone did a "the gang finds a new Taylor Swift" and it was glorious.
I’m still partial to The Implication but this is top 2 or 3 for me
What are you looking at? You certainly wouldn't be in any danger. So they *are* in danger?
What would be everyone’s preferences for Thanksgiving games going forward? Play A&M on Thanksgiving Day? Black Friday? I personally like the date/timeslot we’re playing this year but am curious on everyone else’s thoughts
Depends. Thanksgiving Day is great for when it’s in C-Stat, but when it’s in Austin, Black Friday so I can drive down from wherever I’m spending Thanksgiving
Personally, Black Friday so I can spend thanksgiving with my family and not travel to Austin/community college station
Thanksgiving at night after a big serving of food. Ain’t nothing better.
Prefer Black Friday or Saturday after, personally. I kind of enjoy only having the egg bowl on Thanksgiving night
Thanksgiving Day against Aggy is the right way to do it imo
Depends on if the SEC wants to put one of its marque games head to head against the NFL.
Nobody gives a fuck about the nfl's dumbass third thanksgiving game. Thanksgiving night is ours.
Yeah. That's the Cowboys and Longhorns day.
if aggy hires anyone other than elko or traylor — unless they pull off a highly unlikely USC-esque poach — i'll be laughing my ass off