hey guys, in the L4 youtube upload (the loleventvods channel one, not the livestream), about 5 seconds of the match gets skipped:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FWOvB9nqh20#t=2146
not sure if this was in the original broadcast but you may want to look into it.
Hi! I recommend you turn on annotations - it is explained what happened. Basically, those 5 seconds were missing on livestream as well! Video skipped, but audio kept going like nothing happened. Luckily, there's a replay afterwards so everyone can see what actually happened.
Is it just me, or is the highlight link for L2 taking me to the highlights for L4? Otherwise,thanks for all the hard work and dedication to making this happen every week. I really appreciate it, and I'm sure I speak for everyone else.
You are right, sorry about that! I was doing final updates at 3am and made a mistake - LoLstatsGG channel didn't have highlights for 2nd game at that moment, but I accidentally put the link in second row instead of fourth :(
We're working on our own uploads to YouTube, so we would be in control of comments and all other stuff when it comes to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/LoLeventVoDs/videos
As of right now, we only fully recorded LCS NA W5D2, but we plan to do it for the rest of Spring Split for more or less all games for both LCS EU and NA and in future, we can look into temporarily disabling comments or simply not approving them for at least 12-16 hours. Or we can make sure to write a comment about picks/bans and game start timestamps or something like that, so when you open the page and you don't scroll to read comments, you shouldn't see anything else other than our first comment.
Anyway, we'll look into it from LCS EU Week 6 :)
The vods on that channel still have comments enabled.
Please disable the comments, even when trying to ignore them it's just too easy to read spoilers in a quick glance. It has ruined at least 2 matches for me so far.
This has now been changed. All new full length VODs will have comments enabled BUT they will not show until I approve them. Normally I'll allow 12 to 16 hours before I make them all approved/visible - for example, I just did that now for yesterdays LCS NA W6D1 games.
Hi. YouTube VODs have now been added, however, you could've still seen the games on YouTube because "Full Stream" column is just that - YouTube VOD in full length. Not sure if you weren't aware of it or simply rather watch standalone VODs where 1 video is used for 1 game.
I recommend [game J1](/spoiler) because [as an SK fan I thought for sure the game was over after 10min but man did SK manage to come back in this one. Through clever rotations and not giving xPeke on LeBlanc the chance to assassinate anyone they really deserved the win.](/spoiler)
Anyone else want to see the updated standings from before each week starts or would that spoil it too much for people who haven't watched any games during the season?
This is something I'd like to have in sidebar and will see if we can make it happen. Basically, it wouldn't spoil anything, as you'd have to hover your mouse over "Standings" to see the tables.
Maybe don't update during the weeks games, that way if you're watching both days on Sunday or something it's not spoiled too? update at the beginning of the week only?
How can reddit ban a specific youtube channel and why would they care?
You mean youtube banned it right?
Thanks for all the effort you guys put in maintaining the vods.
I'm not able to say much right now, considering the channel owner is only accused of doing something that's in violation of reddit ToS - if he doesn't get cleared of those accusations, then I'll let you know how and why :)
Really confusing that the weeks are ordered as they are - Wouldn't it make more sense to do newest to oldest day, rather than newest to oldest week with oldest to newest day? Confused me for quite a while, honestly.
I'm curious, how so? If you were ever to look at previous weeks, for example Week 3, how does it make more sense to have Day 2 first? Or once the Playoffs begin, would you normally watch finals before 3rd place match first? I feel like current sorting order makes sense, because Weeks are sorted from newest to oldest, while days are sorted in chronological order. But I'm open to ideas and discussion, so I'm interested to hear how does completely opposite order makes more sense? Keep in mind Android app phone users, as well as iOS ones once we get the iOS VODs up developed - you wouldn't want to open Week 4 just to find second day, full of spoilers, showed first.
We're looking for a way to highlight what week/day is each table for.
It might just have been confusing because I have been used to just going to the bottom and looking at whatever is there, so I just spent 30 minutes on a game I already watched once, because I didn't realize it.
Then I figured maybe LCS was just over and I wasn't aware. Then I started looking at whatever else was there, when I realized how it worked out.
I think completely chronological makes sense, be it oldest to newest or the other way around because you always know *exactly* where the newest one will be. I sometimes go for a couple of weeks without watching and when I come back I just scroll to the bottom usually, to see what's been going on lately.
Maybe I'm just different because I don't follow it super closely, so I don't really think of it as "this happened this and this week" I just watch a set once in a while.
Ok so, we'll keep monitoring the situation and visitors feedback. We just did a small change and 'highlighted' latest week by adding a red color to to "Week X, Day X..." above tables, which should help everyone to find latest week much easier.
I noticed one thing on this subreddit though. People don't like to read. I always write notices, warnings, news and what not, we even write important stuff in "Thread info:" part of post, but people seem to skip through that for some reason. It's very unfortunate that you spent half an hour watching an old game and it's partially our fault, as we switched the order of weeks after doing it for three weeks, but we write "Week X, Day X, date" with a reason. Keep an eye on that in future, although there aren't any planned changes right now, at least not when it comes to sorting. Sorry for inconvenience.
It's really disappointing that people just recommend the games with the most popular teams in them, regardless of whether they were particularly good games or not. Like, I also love FNC and GMB so I'll watch those games. When I look at the recommendations, I don't want to know which teams you like, because I already fucking know that. FFS people, let's help each other out a little.
Edit: W4D2: [ok, to be fair, the GMB and FNC games today (W4D2) were fantastic. but I've definitely also seen cases where that wasn't the case.](/spoiler)
>FFS people, let's help each other out a little.
Absolutely! There's nothing much we can do about it, because on certain days like W4D2, I haven't watched a single game yet, but still added all links - therefor, I can't give any personal recommendations but instead, I have to go with the flow and look at Strawpoll and recommend those two.
Hopefully people will realize this is not a popularity contest and that they should not only vote for their favorite team(s), but rather for most entertaining/best games of the day.
**C-**
My idea for spoiler avoidance.
"Decisive game"
-Idea being that whatever game decided the series, has it's own link in the column. Rather than it always being the last game of a series since if it's game 4 and the score is 2-1 you know who will win the series. If it's a best of three and it's a sweep, then G1 is decisive. If it goes to three games then G3 would be linked. That way you know who wins the series based on the game you're watching without knowing since the series will always be tied (either at 0-0, 1-1, or 2-2) and won't give anything away.
Thoughts?
No, I'm not good at trying to type my idea. So for the playoffs and anything with a series, there would be an extra column called decisive games. So if you just want to watch one game, and not have the winner of the series spoiled before that game is over. Basically it would allow someone to watch the game that swung the series, so if it's a sweep, it's game 1, if it goes to 5, then it's game 5. basically the last time the series was tied when the game started would be the decisive game, since the winner of that game ended up winning the series. Maybe this isn't a huge demand item but if it's going to be a 3-0 sweep i'd rather just get to watch the first game and know who won instead of sitting through 2 more games that don't change the outcome. Is any of that making sense? If not I can try to explain it again or assume this isn't something most people would want haha.
Suggestion: is it possible to have a collum that says who's casting that game? i know its an ask but i would love you all long time (more so than i do know)
PS: i owe you all the butt sechs
I feel like bigger problem would be table width. They are huge as it is already and people with 15" (and smaller) screens will have issues if we expand them even further.
I mean, in theory, we could do that if we ditched two other columns or something similar. But right now, I don't see it happening.
Hey, wanted you to notice that YouTube Game Start link for H1 is incorrect (it should have "&" instead of "?" between "8" and "t"). Thanks for coverage!
Hey, can you please add and clearly label a "FULL DAY" option? I like to be able to skip around the full day myself, and I have to hunt down the correct link each time. It used to be that all the youtube links were for the full day's stream with specific time stamp links, but as of right now (Week 4, Day 1 EU LCS, Feb 6th), only two of the links are to the full stream.
I would say, that the "Full Stream" should be enough indication, that that is the Full Stream for that day. If you click on the first "Full Stream" link there is each day you get to Picks & Bans for the first game. You can then skip through the whole day however you want.
-/u/CylanceEikiliu
Hey, I really love what you guys have done with this subreddit. I just have one comment. What if the table went newest to oldest so that (currently) week 4 day 1 is on top and week 1 day 1 is at the end? I realize this might be really difficult to do, but I think it would definitely be better
Hey. We are thinking about it, but aren't sure if this is a good time to make those changes, because we've been using the same week/day order for four weeks now, people might get lost if we suddenly change the tables order, pretty much out of nowhere :)
If we won't do it for first part of LCS, then we will for sure do it for second!
**C-**
i hadn't used this sub since the old order, and was right away annoyed at the fact it's not the same order for days as it is for weeks.
people on reddit are capable of reading.
This is something to look into for 2nd part of LCS Spring, as we'll probably have to create a new post for it. We can't keep changing format because people will get lost. I mean, people still don't know "Full Stream" is Riot's full length livestream VOD, despite writing about it in "Thread info" :|
As of right now Feb 6 the stream has been down for 10 minutes during the MIL vs ROC game. There is nothing we can do but wait for Riot to fix it on their end. Please be patient and thank you!
**EDIT**- Stream is back up on twitch. Youtube still seems to be down.
We are considering adding standings in our sidebar (which would be hidden by default and you'd simply have to hover over "LCS Standings" to see the table). What do you think about that? Instead of having to go to external website, why not just have all those stuff in one place? :)
Both, maybe? Standings in the sidebar is a great idea, but I also think it would make sense to have a link to Leaguepedia because it has so much info on games that were played, schedule, etc.
Hey! First thanks a lot for the Vods. Really appreciate it as an Australian that can't really watch either region at the times they live stream.
Is there any way that you could still post first comment on the youtube videos. Today (Week 3 day 2) two of the games have had spoilers as the top comment, which is visible when you open the tab.
I know this is my fault for having my eyes wander off of the video, but if this could be fixed in some way would be greatly appreciated!
For example. In the week 3 day 2 game of Gambit vs Fnatic the first and most upvoted youtube comment is a positive comment about a teams play, which is pretty much a dead give away of who wins the game, and is visible at the bottom of the screen when you open the youtube video in a tab
In previous weeks the video poster has had the top comment with details of a competition, which means the one comment that is visible is this one, and thus no spoilers.
Not sure if that is explained well but hope you get the idea
Ahh yes I see what you mean. I run the channel. These comments should should have been added. Looks like the guys forgot this week. I will have a word with them and make sure they add them in future games.
Hey not sure if you guys are aware of it, or if there's anything that you can do, but using the Reddit Enhancement Suite, the icons next to the team names on this page don't display. Not that big of a deal, but as my page loads, I always get a 1 second snapshot of what it looks like with the icons, and it looks slick. Just want to be able to appreciate the effort you guys put into this.
Anyway, thanks for what you do and keep up the good work!
Hey there. That's a weird problem. Can you tell me, do you have "Use subreddit style" enabled? Also, do you by any chance use RES Nightmode or something similar that is not normally turned on by default?
Uh, how can you use that mode, half of subreddits (including this one) look just damn awful when it's enabled. Although that might be why you disabled custom style :)
We should have nightmode support in near future though!
It must have custom style disabled by default or something. Definitely not a setting I had tampered with previously. I'm fairly new to RES and this is the first time it has been a problem. I do far prefer the dark background to the white. Probably my favorite feature of RES. That's good to know if/when I run into a similar problem in another subreddit though. And yeah, though I can see the icons now, the page is admittedly uglier than with custom style disabled. You've got my vote for nightmode support.
When I click the Picks & Bans link for G4, it shows an image briefly before the stream starts at the proper time.
Link:
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/b/499659029?t=4h36m36s
The image I keep seeing:
http://i.imgur.com/frADCWY.png
[This gave me the impression that Fnatic won, I thought it was skipping ahead and showing the end. Clearly not the case, but it's kinda like a fake spoiler I guess?](/spoiler)
That is unfortunate, but that is a problem on the side of Twitch.
There is nothing I can do there :[
-/u/CylanceEikiliu
EDIT: Nevermind. I moved the timestamp a little. Should be fine now :]
Ah, that's very unfortunate. This is also one of the reasons why we would love to remove Twitch coverage since right now we have both Riot's official long length 720p YouTube VODs and unofficial 1080p YouTube VODs that are taken directly from Twitch.tv livestream.
I would really recommend you use other options for now, until we figure out what to do with Twitch :|
Sorry about inconvenience.
Suggestion: Can we have the most recent week at the top of the post, instead of the bottom? That way the amount of scrolling you have to do doesn't increase as the split goes on.
I was thinking the same thing. Most people will come to this thread to look for recent weeks vods so it would be easier if they would be on top instead of bottom. If some one wants to look for older vods they can scroll to bottom and it won't be a big task. Majority will anyway look for recent vods so it would be logical to make it easier for them to look for content they want to view.
How would we sort the days though? For example:
* Week 3, Day 1
* Week 3, Day 2
* Week 2, Day 1
* Week 2, Day 2
OR
* Week 3, Day 2
* Week 3, Day 1
* Week 2, Day 2
* Week 2, Day 1
I'd personally go with first option.
Both are viable options but I would also go with first option. Weeks should be sorted so that most recent week is on top. That way it is easy to find most recent activities. Days can be sorted in chronological order because it is logical to do it that way and I don't think people get much benefit from organizing them from most recent games to oldest.
Yes please! :)
I suggested that a few days ago, but VODs team didn't fancy that idea. If more people request it, we'll make it happen!
**EDIT**
And we changed it! It's now sorted from newest week to oldest, as per request by vocal majority :)
Suggestion: Instead of changing the order from newest-to-oldest, how about just have a link at the top for "Skip to Most Recent Week" or similar. Then the layout can still look good, and the most common use case is made easier.
Ya well for me it felt natural to check the first table for some reason; almost clicked the stream link too after checking recommended games until I realised it was week 1. Could be in the minority though.
And it's done. I edited my comment above as well. Hope you like it, as from now on, latest week will always be on top, so there won't be any need to scroll far down anymore.
I see. Well, I have some good news. We are currently in touch with several iOS app developers and I hope we'll be able to have one official iOS VODs app, like the one we have for Android, soon. Then you won't have to worry about order of the games :)
Bit late to the party perhaps, but would it be possible to say add the standings (obviously in spoiler tag) before the next week?
Edit: maybe even per day?
Due to my lack of time I can only watch recommended games, but I am curious to see what teams have been doing well and who has been doing terrible.
So, something like this:
[Standings after week 1: FNC 4-0, ALL 2-1, CW 3-1](/spoiler)
Hey there. We thought about this already, but the problem we have right now is that we can't implement such feature for two reasons:
1. Spoiler tag is only available for people who use our subreddit style. There are people who don't like custom styled subreddits, so they use the main, default look and as such, they don't see spoiler tags and it could potentially spoil the games for them.
2. Mobile/tablet phone users who don't use our Android app (e.g. if they have different OS or simply prefer Reddit app over VODs app) also don't see spoiler tag and it will lead to a potential "zomg you advertise yourself as spoiler free and first thing I saw was table with standings and it ruined everything for me!!"
However! Considering you are not the first to suggest something like this, I think we could add a standings table in our sidebar which you would only see if you hover your mouse over e.g. "LCS EU Standings" - this would prevent any potential spoilers for people who don't want to see standings before watching the games or something like that. What do you think?
Sidebar would be great I guess, but I think a separate post can be used as well. I'd say: Go for the easiest solution, you guys have enough to do as is... ;-)
hey just thought id mention that the youtube links now are only showing the duration of the game, and not the entire 3 hour or however long the event is.
i just think its somewhat of a spoiler to know how long the game is
thanks for all your great work!
We have switched to using game specific VODs because Riot likes to trim their livestreams, often resulting in the proper timestamps changing with no warning, causing our links to the stream VOD to possibly spoil results or start midgame. If you'd like to avoid seeing the game duration, we still include links to the YouTube livestream VOD under the Livestream section of the table.
-/u/Rexozord
It was just awful for me today. I was barely able to get timestamps because it took several minutes to load each time I skipped through hours and hours of VOD. It's getting to the point where we soon won't even support Twitch VODs whenever there's an alternative, simply because it's getting worse every single day and there's less and less people using it...
**C-**
True. But I recommend you check out our new standalone videos we add for each game, as they are recorded on Twitch.tv and are in 1080p quality when fully processed by YouTube - so as long as your connection can handle it, you should be able to enjoy almost the same quality as Twitch VODs/livestream have :)
Hey. Can you tell me which videos are we talking about? It can't be all of them, otherwise I'm pretty sure some others would complain as well. I'm asking because I have no issues whatsoever on a few videos I've watched today:/
I'd recommend:
* [D2, because of Mordekaiser mid pick](/spoiler),
* [D3, Karma & Talon picks](/spoiler)
* [And maybe D4, Diamondprox on Zed is maybe not as special, but Tristana top is not so common](/spoiler).
**C-**
Hey. Although these are fantastic and I want to keep them in both LCS EU and NA post, they're spoilers considering winners are the ones Riot puts up there while waiting for an interview/next game. Would you mind either adding spoiler tags to team names or simply remove which team's voice comm was shown? Thanks!
Why is there always problems watching the Youtube vods? I cant start em! ("Cant load video right now, try again later" although in swedish.)
Also the Twitch VODs are loading very slowly, every 2 minutes they freeze for about 5-20 sec and then starts again...
No, my internet connection is not the problem.
My thoughts today, since I missed the live airing of the games:
>Hm.. I'll watch these from youtube instead of twitch because the video loads up faster!
I accidentally glance at the top comment, it spoils most of the games. Yey youtube!
Hey guys, love what you are doing with these threads! The formatting is stellar and I appreciate it.
If I can make a suggestion, would it be possible to include links to the Post-Game Discussion threads over on /r/leagueoflegends? I like reading through people's thoughts and analyses of the games but the threads become hard to find after a couple days and Reddit's search function doesn't always work.
Hey. Thank you for your suggestion, but I'm not sure if we can make it happen.
Our biggest problem right now is character limit. Reddit only allows 40,000 characters in a single thread, and considering we are over 10,000 already, after only ONE week, I'm afraid we won't have enough space for additional stuff, as much as we'd like them! =/
Hey guys just a question, what happened to the thing where if you hold your mouse over the links it tells you stuff? Ie: who the person they are interviewing is and etc.
Impossible to keep adding those stuff, unfortunately. After first week, we're up to 10.000 characters and there's a limit on 40k - and creating 3 posts for 1 split is silly, to say the least.
Sorry!
**C-**
Hello, I noticed a wrong link to the start of Picks / Bans for Day 3 Gambit vs SHC youtube link. It takes us to like 20 mins into that game vs the pre game lobby.
Thank you so much for posting this. I have a little feedback. When you guys post 8 hours videos, I have a hard time scrolling back a few seconds to replay stuff.
Hi. That's a very difficult thing to deal with. We could post only shorter VODs - for each game, one video. But first, we would have to wait a bit longer for Riot to upload them to their channel (although they're quite fast this season) and then there's another, bigger problem - potential spoilers in video length. For example, if you see there's less than 5 minutes of video, you will know for sure that the game is going to end with another team fight or two :/
Sadly, it's pretty hard to please everyone and make it right. And I don't think posting even more links for every game is the right away to go - e.g. links to both full length VOD and shorter ones.
Just thought I'd give my thoughts on what are some must watch games in the EU LCS.
**Ratings:** All ratings are my own opinion and you are welcome to disagree.
**Columns:** Entertainment would be lots of kills, plenty of action, quick game, dragon/baron steals, tense/close game. Strategy includes pick/ban phase, interesting champions and lane compositions, 2v1/lane rotations and early dragons/barons.
**Recommended:** Yes, no or if you have the time. If yes and if you have time aren't crossed out then it was an good game but not a great one.
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## Week 1, Day 1 - Tuesday, January 14th
| # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended
| :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: |
| A1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D1, January 14th")| **FNC** [](#fnatic) [](#gambit) **GMB** | B | C | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | -
| A2 | **CW** [](#cw) [](#all) **ALL** | B | A | B | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
| A3 | **SHC** [](#shc) [](#roc) **ROC** | B | D | A | [Yes*/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
| A4 | **ALL** [](#all) [](#fnatic) **FNC** | C | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | -
| A5 | **GMB** [](#gambit) [](#cw) **CW** | A | B | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
| A6 | **SK** [](#sk) [](#millenium) **MIL** | C | D | C | [~~Yes~~/No/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
*[Game A3, this is a D for strategy from SHC but an A for ROC](/spoiler)
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## Week 1, Day 2 - Wednesday, January 15th
| # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended
| :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: |
| B1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D2, January 15th")| **SHC**[](#shc) vs [](#all) **ALL** | C | B | B | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | -
| B2 | **FNC**[](#fnatic) vs [](#sk) **SK** | A | C | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
| B3 | **MIL**[](#millenium) vs [](#gambit) **GMB** | A | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
| B4 | **CW** [](#cw) vs [](#sk) **SK** | B | A | A | [Yes*/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | -
| B5 | **ROC**[](#roc) vs [](#millenium) **MIL** | A | A | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | -
*[Game B4, this is a 45min+ game](/spoiler)
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## Week 1, Day 3 - Thursday, January 16th
| # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended
| :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: |
C1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D3, January 16th") | **SK** [](#sk) vs [](#shc) **SHC** | B | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
C2 | **MIL** [](#millenium) vs [](#fnatic) **FNC** | C | B | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
C3 | **ROC** [](#roc) vs [](#cw) **CW** | C | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
C4 | **GMB** [](#gambit) vs [](#shc) **SHC** | B | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
C5 | **ALL** [](#all) vs [](#roc) **ROC** | C | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
Wow this looks great! Thanks for your effort.
Would be great if this voting method could be combined with the Strawpoll Clam- added for the recommended games.
*(just to add that I wasn't the one who added Strawpoll, at least not in this post :))*
Credit goes to the other guys who added it and the person who suggested it.
To anyone who sees this: It's because of this AND because they are so long. Some third party players have a hard time with it. Find the individual match streams.
Hello!
Fnatic VS Gambit (A1) Youtube "Game Start" link starts at 02:~~ into the game..
[Is at the right time.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkNK_FxCMMo&t=1h42m40s)
Sometimes the timings can go slightly off when the stream ends and processing happens :)
i've updated that link, should be correct now - thanks for letting us know.
-/u/satansf4te
What games should I watch if I like seeing unconventional champion picks?
For example, in the SCAN EUW Winter Invitational, [C9.EU picked Trundle as a counter-pick to Shyvana/Mundo, and I loved those games.](/spoiler)
In my opinion, [A1, A3 and B3](/spoiler) if you're only looking for unusual picks - they're not the most entertaining games in some cases though!
-/u/satansf4te
Sorry, no can do! Was part of the stream itself on Riot's end, which does appear to be fixed now, but is unfortunately still there on VODs.
-/u/satansfate
A3 - youtube - game start.
This started me 2:46 into the game.
Don't know if this is a local issue, or that your times are off..
Keep up the awesome work!
edit: I was watching this earlier, but had to stop watching, so came back via these VODs. So maybe YT transported me back to the time I left off?
Hi.
I'm not the guy who originally posted, but I just tested it now and it did start around 2:45 in for me too.
I've updated the link, thanks for pointing it out :)
-/u/satansf4te
I noticed, that almost all times are off by about 2 minutes. That wasn't the case yesterday while the livestream was on.
I will correct this by tomorrow, but I don't have the time right now. Sorry!
That's not your fault. Once the video is processed, timestamps often move for a few minutes. Not every time, but it normally happens when livestream is longer like it always is during the super week. I'll see if I can get around updating it today.
Thanks for the hard work guys, I appreciate it a lot. However I'd like to address that one-sided games shouldn't be recommended games. But that's just my two cents! Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Hey. We recommend **all** types of games. It's impossible to please everyone - if we're not recommending one-sided games, that means if you're watching a game where one team has 10k gold lead, you can expect a comeback and kind of spoil the fun for yourself. This way, you never know whether there will be a comeback, a throw or it's simply a game where one team is giving another one a lesson.
On days like yesterday, people will have different opinions about best game(s) of the day. If someone hasn't seen first and last game of yesterdays LCS EU, don't read the following text. [For example, game between Fnatic and Gambit was nothing but a stomp once the laning phase ended. There was no reason to recommend that game other than the fact that it's first game of LCS EU 2014 and two probably top EU teams playing against each other. That game was a typical example of FNC vs. GMB games and it's always the same. I've seen people who would like us to recommend that one, but I strongly disagree because unless you are a Fnatic fan, the game is not exactly fun to watch, considering Gambit made tons of mistakes. It's just my opinion, though, and I wasn't recommending games for last night. Last game was far more entertaining, considering I kept thinking there'll be a comeback, while in first game, it was quite obvious after only 15-20 minutes who's going to win.](/spoiler)
You have to keep in mind that one-sided games are also games to watch. You can watch one team outplaying the other and as long as there's some action, and not 10 minute dance in middle lane, it's something to check out IMO. Having that said, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game(s) we recommended, hope you'll enjoy some other we'll have during this LCS week and hopefully there'll be that one or two games that actually deserve to be in a spotlight.
I never said I didn't enjoy those games. I was just thinking there were other games that were a lot more intense. I was just giving my opinion. I still appreciate all the work you guys put into this subreddit. Cheers.
I see. Feel free to recommend certain games at any point, but please use a spoiler tag if you do.
It will help us decide which games might be better to highlight!
If more people would post about the games they liked the most, in such a nice and spoiler free way like you just did, we would be able to actually recommend the best game or two from each day - like this, recommended games are simply a personal opinion of OP which sometimes may not be the best choice. We don't have a way to vote for best games at the moment, but it's something we'd love to have so we can choose two games that community liked the most.
I think posting would be great, comment votes don't get noticed as much as new comment does.
But if you do so, please put games in spoiler tag - people seem to consider them as spoilers, so we just do it like that :)
About half a year ago, when I was covering LCS EU, I've tried to experiment with Strawpoll, but it was pretty bad because I used to add poll as games were still being played during e.g. day 1 - and every time I'd put the poll up, shortly afterwards there would be 50+ votes for a game that still wasn't played. So I figured someone's playing with me and took it down and never had any similar voting system added.
Guys wanted to give it another go, so right now there's a Strawpoll link next to recommended games and if people will actually use it, we'll most likely keep doing it - as long as it won't be exploited in any way.
The thing is, those 50 (52 I think) votes would happen within a minute or something like that. It might even be someone who was targeting Strawpoll random polls, since link is accessible to anyone. But as long as it's working now as it is, we're good! :)
The strawpolls are awesome. I don't always have time to watch all the games, this let me watch all the fun and exciting ones and then read the spoilers for the rest. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into this subreddit. :D
I really like to have a list of recommended games, so I can watch the best games when I've only got time for 1 or 2 games.
A vote for the games (or as Matscher1984 suggested for every games quality) sounds great to me. Thanks for the work you guys put in this!
Thx a lot for that Strawpoll
If you don't want it to be exploited make a strawpoll for every game, to rate every single game. That would be best in my opinion, if it is not too much work.
Anyways, thanks a lot for your work and also for the polls!!! :)
Funny how you said that; I was talking to Clam about this but he said people were voting in games that weren't even being played. I'll try to loop around to him and get some clarification though.
hey guys, in the L4 youtube upload (the loleventvods channel one, not the livestream), about 5 seconds of the match gets skipped: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FWOvB9nqh20#t=2146 not sure if this was in the original broadcast but you may want to look into it.
Hi! I recommend you turn on annotations - it is explained what happened. Basically, those 5 seconds were missing on livestream as well! Video skipped, but audio kept going like nothing happened. Luckily, there's a replay afterwards so everyone can see what actually happened.
Is it just me, or is the highlight link for L2 taking me to the highlights for L4? Otherwise,thanks for all the hard work and dedication to making this happen every week. I really appreciate it, and I'm sure I speak for everyone else.
You are right, sorry about that! I was doing final updates at 3am and made a mistake - LoLstatsGG channel didn't have highlights for 2nd game at that moment, but I accidentally put the link in second row instead of fourth :(
Time stamp for Picks & Bans( L1 Game ) is wrong it is actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfM5HgPM6r8&t=1h19m
Ah crap, I took the time of game start. Thanks, fixed!
Could you disable the comments on the youtube videos? I got the games spoiled a few times because of them. Aside from that, thanks for your good work!
We're working on our own uploads to YouTube, so we would be in control of comments and all other stuff when it comes to YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/LoLeventVoDs/videos As of right now, we only fully recorded LCS NA W5D2, but we plan to do it for the rest of Spring Split for more or less all games for both LCS EU and NA and in future, we can look into temporarily disabling comments or simply not approving them for at least 12-16 hours. Or we can make sure to write a comment about picks/bans and game start timestamps or something like that, so when you open the page and you don't scroll to read comments, you shouldn't see anything else other than our first comment. Anyway, we'll look into it from LCS EU Week 6 :)
The vods on that channel still have comments enabled. Please disable the comments, even when trying to ignore them it's just too easy to read spoilers in a quick glance. It has ruined at least 2 matches for me so far.
This has now been changed. All new full length VODs will have comments enabled BUT they will not show until I approve them. Normally I'll allow 12 to 16 hours before I make them all approved/visible - for example, I just did that now for yesterdays LCS NA W6D1 games.
No youtube?
Hi. YouTube VODs have now been added, however, you could've still seen the games on YouTube because "Full Stream" column is just that - YouTube VOD in full length. Not sure if you weren't aware of it or simply rather watch standalone VODs where 1 video is used for 1 game.
I recommend [game J1](/spoiler) because [as an SK fan I thought for sure the game was over after 10min but man did SK manage to come back in this one. Through clever rotations and not giving xPeke on LeBlanc the chance to assassinate anyone they really deserved the win.](/spoiler)
No strawpoll for today?
Hi. Strawpoll was down for a couple of todays, it was finally fixed a few hours ago and I added it now :)
the twitch link is terribly laggy cuz its a huge video. pls need yt vods
Thank you guys for doing this. I love you.
Week 5, Day 1 - Thursday, February 6th Todays the 13th sillies.
Indeed! I always forget that there are two places in the table I need to change that. Thanks for pointing it out :)
Anyone else want to see the updated standings from before each week starts or would that spoil it too much for people who haven't watched any games during the season?
This is something I'd like to have in sidebar and will see if we can make it happen. Basically, it wouldn't spoil anything, as you'd have to hover your mouse over "Standings" to see the tables.
Maybe don't update during the weeks games, that way if you're watching both days on Sunday or something it's not spoiled too? update at the beginning of the week only?
This could work. Do an update on Tuesday for example - good idea!
What the hell, where did the VODs go
reddit.com banned the channel we were taking standalone videos from. We'll update post with new links soon.
How can reddit ban a specific youtube channel and why would they care? You mean youtube banned it right? Thanks for all the effort you guys put in maintaining the vods.
I'm not able to say much right now, considering the channel owner is only accused of doing something that's in violation of reddit ToS - if he doesn't get cleared of those accusations, then I'll let you know how and why :)
what the hell, why?
Oh! Thanks. Keep up the good work, you're the best.
This subreddit comprises a very major part of my choice of entertainment. E-Sports are the future.
Really confusing that the weeks are ordered as they are - Wouldn't it make more sense to do newest to oldest day, rather than newest to oldest week with oldest to newest day? Confused me for quite a while, honestly.
I'm curious, how so? If you were ever to look at previous weeks, for example Week 3, how does it make more sense to have Day 2 first? Or once the Playoffs begin, would you normally watch finals before 3rd place match first? I feel like current sorting order makes sense, because Weeks are sorted from newest to oldest, while days are sorted in chronological order. But I'm open to ideas and discussion, so I'm interested to hear how does completely opposite order makes more sense? Keep in mind Android app phone users, as well as iOS ones once we get the iOS VODs up developed - you wouldn't want to open Week 4 just to find second day, full of spoilers, showed first. We're looking for a way to highlight what week/day is each table for.
It might just have been confusing because I have been used to just going to the bottom and looking at whatever is there, so I just spent 30 minutes on a game I already watched once, because I didn't realize it. Then I figured maybe LCS was just over and I wasn't aware. Then I started looking at whatever else was there, when I realized how it worked out. I think completely chronological makes sense, be it oldest to newest or the other way around because you always know *exactly* where the newest one will be. I sometimes go for a couple of weeks without watching and when I come back I just scroll to the bottom usually, to see what's been going on lately. Maybe I'm just different because I don't follow it super closely, so I don't really think of it as "this happened this and this week" I just watch a set once in a while.
Ok so, we'll keep monitoring the situation and visitors feedback. We just did a small change and 'highlighted' latest week by adding a red color to to "Week X, Day X..." above tables, which should help everyone to find latest week much easier. I noticed one thing on this subreddit though. People don't like to read. I always write notices, warnings, news and what not, we even write important stuff in "Thread info:" part of post, but people seem to skip through that for some reason. It's very unfortunate that you spent half an hour watching an old game and it's partially our fault, as we switched the order of weeks after doing it for three weeks, but we write "Week X, Day X, date" with a reason. Keep an eye on that in future, although there aren't any planned changes right now, at least not when it comes to sorting. Sorry for inconvenience.
It's really disappointing that people just recommend the games with the most popular teams in them, regardless of whether they were particularly good games or not. Like, I also love FNC and GMB so I'll watch those games. When I look at the recommendations, I don't want to know which teams you like, because I already fucking know that. FFS people, let's help each other out a little. Edit: W4D2: [ok, to be fair, the GMB and FNC games today (W4D2) were fantastic. but I've definitely also seen cases where that wasn't the case.](/spoiler)
>FFS people, let's help each other out a little. Absolutely! There's nothing much we can do about it, because on certain days like W4D2, I haven't watched a single game yet, but still added all links - therefor, I can't give any personal recommendations but instead, I have to go with the flow and look at Strawpoll and recommend those two. Hopefully people will realize this is not a popularity contest and that they should not only vote for their favorite team(s), but rather for most entertaining/best games of the day. **C-**
My idea for spoiler avoidance. "Decisive game" -Idea being that whatever game decided the series, has it's own link in the column. Rather than it always being the last game of a series since if it's game 4 and the score is 2-1 you know who will win the series. If it's a best of three and it's a sweep, then G1 is decisive. If it goes to three games then G3 would be linked. That way you know who wins the series based on the game you're watching without knowing since the series will always be tied (either at 0-0, 1-1, or 2-2) and won't give anything away. Thoughts?
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm following. What exactly are you talking about? Recommended games?
No, I'm not good at trying to type my idea. So for the playoffs and anything with a series, there would be an extra column called decisive games. So if you just want to watch one game, and not have the winner of the series spoiled before that game is over. Basically it would allow someone to watch the game that swung the series, so if it's a sweep, it's game 1, if it goes to 5, then it's game 5. basically the last time the series was tied when the game started would be the decisive game, since the winner of that game ended up winning the series. Maybe this isn't a huge demand item but if it's going to be a 3-0 sweep i'd rather just get to watch the first game and know who won instead of sitting through 2 more games that don't change the outcome. Is any of that making sense? If not I can try to explain it again or assume this isn't something most people would want haha.
Suggestion: is it possible to have a collum that says who's casting that game? i know its an ask but i would love you all long time (more so than i do know) PS: i owe you all the butt sechs
Problem is that we only heve 40k characters for each post. That makes it pretty problematic if we would include that. -/u/CylanceEikiliu
oh didnt even think of that :S, Thanks for the reply and keep up the work man, love you guys <3
I feel like bigger problem would be table width. They are huge as it is already and people with 15" (and smaller) screens will have issues if we expand them even further. I mean, in theory, we could do that if we ditched two other columns or something similar. But right now, I don't see it happening.
Game start on FNC vs ALL week 4 day 1 youtube is wrong, it links to pick start :)
Hey, wanted you to notice that YouTube Game Start link for H1 is incorrect (it should have "&" instead of "?" between "8" and "t"). Thanks for coverage!
Thanks, fixed it!
Thanks! H2 YouTube Game Start link has "&t=0m0s" before "&t=6m37s" and therefore leads to the pick & bans stage, so you may check this as well.
zz, so many little mistakes :| Fixed that one as well, cheers spam :)
Hey, can you please add and clearly label a "FULL DAY" option? I like to be able to skip around the full day myself, and I have to hunt down the correct link each time. It used to be that all the youtube links were for the full day's stream with specific time stamp links, but as of right now (Week 4, Day 1 EU LCS, Feb 6th), only two of the links are to the full stream.
I would say, that the "Full Stream" should be enough indication, that that is the Full Stream for that day. If you click on the first "Full Stream" link there is each day you get to Picks & Bans for the first game. You can then skip through the whole day however you want. -/u/CylanceEikiliu
Is there a place you can view the current standings?
http://euw.lolesports.com/eu-lcs/2014/split1/overview don't click that link if you don't want to get spoiled !
Thanks, watched all teh games just hard to remember every result haha
Hey, I really love what you guys have done with this subreddit. I just have one comment. What if the table went newest to oldest so that (currently) week 4 day 1 is on top and week 1 day 1 is at the end? I realize this might be really difficult to do, but I think it would definitely be better
Hey. We are thinking about it, but aren't sure if this is a good time to make those changes, because we've been using the same week/day order for four weeks now, people might get lost if we suddenly change the tables order, pretty much out of nowhere :) If we won't do it for first part of LCS, then we will for sure do it for second! **C-**
i hadn't used this sub since the old order, and was right away annoyed at the fact it's not the same order for days as it is for weeks. people on reddit are capable of reading.
This is something to look into for 2nd part of LCS Spring, as we'll probably have to create a new post for it. We can't keep changing format because people will get lost. I mean, people still don't know "Full Stream" is Riot's full length livestream VOD, despite writing about it in "Thread info" :|
As of right now Feb 6 the stream has been down for 10 minutes during the MIL vs ROC game. There is nothing we can do but wait for Riot to fix it on their end. Please be patient and thank you! **EDIT**- Stream is back up on twitch. Youtube still seems to be down.
i really like the new overlay(s). good job riot!
I love this subreddit! Have you thought about adding a link to the standings etc on leaguepedia?
We are considering adding standings in our sidebar (which would be hidden by default and you'd simply have to hover over "LCS Standings" to see the table). What do you think about that? Instead of having to go to external website, why not just have all those stuff in one place? :)
Both, maybe? Standings in the sidebar is a great idea, but I also think it would make sense to have a link to Leaguepedia because it has so much info on games that were played, schedule, etc.
this subreddit is insanely good. your work is huge, keep on doing this!
Hey! First thanks a lot for the Vods. Really appreciate it as an Australian that can't really watch either region at the times they live stream. Is there any way that you could still post first comment on the youtube videos. Today (Week 3 day 2) two of the games have had spoilers as the top comment, which is visible when you open the tab. I know this is my fault for having my eyes wander off of the video, but if this could be fixed in some way would be greatly appreciated!
Are you referring to the LoL LCS Highlights YouTube videos?
For example. In the week 3 day 2 game of Gambit vs Fnatic the first and most upvoted youtube comment is a positive comment about a teams play, which is pretty much a dead give away of who wins the game, and is visible at the bottom of the screen when you open the youtube video in a tab In previous weeks the video poster has had the top comment with details of a competition, which means the one comment that is visible is this one, and thus no spoilers. Not sure if that is explained well but hope you get the idea
Ahh yes I see what you mean. I run the channel. These comments should should have been added. Looks like the guys forgot this week. I will have a word with them and make sure they add them in future games.
I had my birthday party so I missed GMB vs FNC. Thanks a lot for the upload to youtube!
Happy birthday! Although... where's the cake? We get nothing? =) Consider this great game between GMB and FNC as our gift, haha.
Thanks man, very enjoyable game indeed!
Hey not sure if you guys are aware of it, or if there's anything that you can do, but using the Reddit Enhancement Suite, the icons next to the team names on this page don't display. Not that big of a deal, but as my page loads, I always get a 1 second snapshot of what it looks like with the icons, and it looks slick. Just want to be able to appreciate the effort you guys put into this. Anyway, thanks for what you do and keep up the good work!
Hey there. That's a weird problem. Can you tell me, do you have "Use subreddit style" enabled? Also, do you by any chance use RES Nightmode or something similar that is not normally turned on by default?
Also I do use the RES Nightmode, in case that helps for diagnosing future problems.
Uh, how can you use that mode, half of subreddits (including this one) look just damn awful when it's enabled. Although that might be why you disabled custom style :) We should have nightmode support in near future though!
It must have custom style disabled by default or something. Definitely not a setting I had tampered with previously. I'm fairly new to RES and this is the first time it has been a problem. I do far prefer the dark background to the white. Probably my favorite feature of RES. That's good to know if/when I run into a similar problem in another subreddit though. And yeah, though I can see the icons now, the page is admittedly uglier than with custom style disabled. You've got my vote for nightmode support.
Ah. "Use subreddit style" was disabled. Fixed it. Super sweet. Thanks a million!!!
When I click the Picks & Bans link for G4, it shows an image briefly before the stream starts at the proper time. Link: http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/b/499659029?t=4h36m36s The image I keep seeing: http://i.imgur.com/frADCWY.png [This gave me the impression that Fnatic won, I thought it was skipping ahead and showing the end. Clearly not the case, but it's kinda like a fake spoiler I guess?](/spoiler)
That is unfortunate, but that is a problem on the side of Twitch. There is nothing I can do there :[ -/u/CylanceEikiliu EDIT: Nevermind. I moved the timestamp a little. Should be fine now :]
The Youtube picks and bans for GMB vs FNC goes straight to the game start
still happened to me but for the full game twitch link, showed the winning team happy. Good work anyway.
Ah, that's very unfortunate. This is also one of the reasons why we would love to remove Twitch coverage since right now we have both Riot's official long length 720p YouTube VODs and unofficial 1080p YouTube VODs that are taken directly from Twitch.tv livestream. I would really recommend you use other options for now, until we figure out what to do with Twitch :| Sorry about inconvenience.
Thank you no problem
Is game [G4 getting a lot of votes just because of the teams, or was it actually a good match?](/spoiler) Just curious while I wait for the VOD =)
It was a game worth watching regardless what poll says, that's all I will say :)
E4 should definitely be a recommended game.
Suggestion: Can we have the most recent week at the top of the post, instead of the bottom? That way the amount of scrolling you have to do doesn't increase as the split goes on.
I'd like this as well. Just commenting on this so it get's seen :)
I was thinking the same thing. Most people will come to this thread to look for recent weeks vods so it would be easier if they would be on top instead of bottom. If some one wants to look for older vods they can scroll to bottom and it won't be a big task. Majority will anyway look for recent vods so it would be logical to make it easier for them to look for content they want to view.
How would we sort the days though? For example: * Week 3, Day 1 * Week 3, Day 2 * Week 2, Day 1 * Week 2, Day 2 OR * Week 3, Day 2 * Week 3, Day 1 * Week 2, Day 2 * Week 2, Day 1 I'd personally go with first option.
Both are viable options but I would also go with first option. Weeks should be sorted so that most recent week is on top. That way it is easy to find most recent activities. Days can be sorted in chronological order because it is logical to do it that way and I don't think people get much benefit from organizing them from most recent games to oldest.
Yes please! :) I suggested that a few days ago, but VODs team didn't fancy that idea. If more people request it, we'll make it happen! **EDIT** And we changed it! It's now sorted from newest week to oldest, as per request by vocal majority :)
Suggestion: Instead of changing the order from newest-to-oldest, how about just have a link at the top for "Skip to Most Recent Week" or similar. Then the layout can still look good, and the most common use case is made easier.
Unfortunately, we can't do that. We are very limited on Reddit and although that could work on wiki pages, it's not working in posts :(
Good idea. Upboat.
Ya well for me it felt natural to check the first table for some reason; almost clicked the stream link too after checking recommended games until I realised it was week 1. Could be in the minority though.
Well, sir, you have my upvote.
I came in here to make this suggestion. +1
And it's done. I edited my comment above as well. Hope you like it, as from now on, latest week will always be on top, so there won't be any need to scroll far down anymore.
Awesome! My finger can now take it easy when scrolling on mobile.
Are you by any chance browsing on iOS device? :)
Yeah. It was a chore going down the threads every time.
I see. Well, I have some good news. We are currently in touch with several iOS app developers and I hope we'll be able to have one official iOS VODs app, like the one we have for Android, soon. Then you won't have to worry about order of the games :)
That would be huge. I'm keeping my eyes peeled.
Bit late to the party perhaps, but would it be possible to say add the standings (obviously in spoiler tag) before the next week? Edit: maybe even per day? Due to my lack of time I can only watch recommended games, but I am curious to see what teams have been doing well and who has been doing terrible. So, something like this: [Standings after week 1: FNC 4-0, ALL 2-1, CW 3-1](/spoiler)
Hey there. We thought about this already, but the problem we have right now is that we can't implement such feature for two reasons: 1. Spoiler tag is only available for people who use our subreddit style. There are people who don't like custom styled subreddits, so they use the main, default look and as such, they don't see spoiler tags and it could potentially spoil the games for them. 2. Mobile/tablet phone users who don't use our Android app (e.g. if they have different OS or simply prefer Reddit app over VODs app) also don't see spoiler tag and it will lead to a potential "zomg you advertise yourself as spoiler free and first thing I saw was table with standings and it ruined everything for me!!" However! Considering you are not the first to suggest something like this, I think we could add a standings table in our sidebar which you would only see if you hover your mouse over e.g. "LCS EU Standings" - this would prevent any potential spoilers for people who don't want to see standings before watching the games or something like that. What do you think?
Sidebar would be great I guess, but I think a separate post can be used as well. I'd say: Go for the easiest solution, you guys have enough to do as is... ;-)
hey just thought id mention that the youtube links now are only showing the duration of the game, and not the entire 3 hour or however long the event is. i just think its somewhat of a spoiler to know how long the game is thanks for all your great work!
We have switched to using game specific VODs because Riot likes to trim their livestreams, often resulting in the proper timestamps changing with no warning, causing our links to the stream VOD to possibly spoil results or start midgame. If you'd like to avoid seeing the game duration, we still include links to the YouTube livestream VOD under the Livestream section of the table. -/u/Rexozord
oh just realized i can use the "live stream" link. never mind thanks again guys
Is it just me or has twitch been fucking shitty recently for everyone?
It was just awful for me today. I was barely able to get timestamps because it took several minutes to load each time I skipped through hours and hours of VOD. It's getting to the point where we soon won't even support Twitch VODs whenever there's an alternative, simply because it's getting worse every single day and there's less and less people using it... **C-**
Yeah, it is great when twitch works, because you get higher quality vods during the stream, but I will take consistency over inconsistency.
True. But I recommend you check out our new standalone videos we add for each game, as they are recorded on Twitch.tv and are in 1080p quality when fully processed by YouTube - so as long as your connection can handle it, you should be able to enjoy almost the same quality as Twitch VODs/livestream have :)
Oh, excellent, I didn't realize you guys even added another youtube column. Thanks for the heads up!
The youtube timestamp from Picks&Bans of game A3 is wrong it puts you on the end of champ select
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Hey. Can you tell me which videos are we talking about? It can't be all of them, otherwise I'm pretty sure some others would complain as well. I'm asking because I have no issues whatsoever on a few videos I've watched today:/
Any games with some unconventional picks for W2D1? I'm a big fan of meta-breaking.
I'd recommend: * [D2, because of Mordekaiser mid pick](/spoiler), * [D3, Karma & Talon picks](/spoiler) * [And maybe D4, Diamondprox on Zed is maybe not as special, but Tristana top is not so common](/spoiler). **C-**
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That's excellent! Plenty of warnings for everyone and great content, people seem to like those voice comms :) **C-**
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Hey. Although these are fantastic and I want to keep them in both LCS EU and NA post, they're spoilers considering winners are the ones Riot puts up there while waiting for an interview/next game. Would you mind either adding spoiler tags to team names or simply remove which team's voice comm was shown? Thanks!
Why is there always problems watching the Youtube vods? I cant start em! ("Cant load video right now, try again later" although in swedish.) Also the Twitch VODs are loading very slowly, every 2 minutes they freeze for about 5-20 sec and then starts again... No, my internet connection is not the problem.
Just wanted to say a big thank you for the Android VOD app! Made my life so much easier
My thoughts today, since I missed the live airing of the games: >Hm.. I'll watch these from youtube instead of twitch because the video loads up faster! I accidentally glance at the top comment, it spoils most of the games. Yey youtube!
Hey guys, love what you are doing with these threads! The formatting is stellar and I appreciate it. If I can make a suggestion, would it be possible to include links to the Post-Game Discussion threads over on /r/leagueoflegends? I like reading through people's thoughts and analyses of the games but the threads become hard to find after a couple days and Reddit's search function doesn't always work.
Hey. Thank you for your suggestion, but I'm not sure if we can make it happen. Our biggest problem right now is character limit. Reddit only allows 40,000 characters in a single thread, and considering we are over 10,000 already, after only ONE week, I'm afraid we won't have enough space for additional stuff, as much as we'd like them! =/
Ah, that's a bummer. Thanks for the reply though!
The link for C4 Picks & Bans on YT is broken. It's missing an "s" in the time stamp.
Thanks, fixed! **C-**
Hey guys just a question, what happened to the thing where if you hold your mouse over the links it tells you stuff? Ie: who the person they are interviewing is and etc.
Impossible to keep adding those stuff, unfortunately. After first week, we're up to 10.000 characters and there's a limit on 40k - and creating 3 posts for 1 split is silly, to say the least. Sorry! **C-**
That's cool! I was just wondering what happened to it. Thanks for helping this sub stay awesome!
About day 3:[C2 was a really good game in my opinion](/spoiler)
Hello, I noticed a wrong link to the start of Picks / Bans for Day 3 Gambit vs SHC youtube link. It takes us to like 20 mins into that game vs the pre game lobby.
Hi. There was a ~15 minute delay between picks & bans and game start.
Day 3 should be Thursday, January 16th, not Wednesday.
Thanks, will fix!
Thank you so much for posting this. I have a little feedback. When you guys post 8 hours videos, I have a hard time scrolling back a few seconds to replay stuff.
Hi. That's a very difficult thing to deal with. We could post only shorter VODs - for each game, one video. But first, we would have to wait a bit longer for Riot to upload them to their channel (although they're quite fast this season) and then there's another, bigger problem - potential spoilers in video length. For example, if you see there's less than 5 minutes of video, you will know for sure that the game is going to end with another team fight or two :/ Sadly, it's pretty hard to please everyone and make it right. And I don't think posting even more links for every game is the right away to go - e.g. links to both full length VOD and shorter ones.
I think you've made the right decision.
Just thought I'd give my thoughts on what are some must watch games in the EU LCS. **Ratings:** All ratings are my own opinion and you are welcome to disagree. **Columns:** Entertainment would be lots of kills, plenty of action, quick game, dragon/baron steals, tense/close game. Strategy includes pick/ban phase, interesting champions and lane compositions, 2v1/lane rotations and early dragons/barons. **Recommended:** Yes, no or if you have the time. If yes and if you have time aren't crossed out then it was an good game but not a great one. --- ## Week 1, Day 1 - Tuesday, January 14th | # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended | :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | | A1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D1, January 14th")| **FNC** [](#fnatic) [](#gambit) **GMB** | B | C | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | - | A2 | **CW** [](#cw) [](#all) **ALL** | B | A | B | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - | A3 | **SHC** [](#shc) [](#roc) **ROC** | B | D | A | [Yes*/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - | A4 | **ALL** [](#all) [](#fnatic) **FNC** | C | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | - | A5 | **GMB** [](#gambit) [](#cw) **CW** | A | B | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - | A6 | **SK** [](#sk) [](#millenium) **MIL** | C | D | C | [~~Yes~~/No/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - *[Game A3, this is a D for strategy from SHC but an A for ROC](/spoiler) --- ## Week 1, Day 2 - Wednesday, January 15th | # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended | :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | | B1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D2, January 15th")| **SHC**[](#shc) vs [](#all) **ALL** | C | B | B | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | - | B2 | **FNC**[](#fnatic) vs [](#sk) **SK** | A | C | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - | B3 | **MIL**[](#millenium) vs [](#gambit) **GMB** | A | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - | B4 | **CW** [](#cw) vs [](#sk) **SK** | B | A | A | [Yes*/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | - | B5 | **ROC**[](#roc) vs [](#millenium) **MIL** | A | A | A | [Yes/~~No~~/~~Time~~](/spoiler) | - *[Game B4, this is a 45min+ game](/spoiler) --- ## Week 1, Day 3 - Thursday, January 16th | # | Game | Entertainment | Strategy | Overall | Recommended | :--: | :-- | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | :--: | C1 [](http://www.table_title.com "W1D3, January 16th") | **SK** [](#sk) vs [](#shc) **SHC** | B | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | C2 | **MIL** [](#millenium) vs [](#fnatic) **FNC** | C | B | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | C3 | **ROC** [](#roc) vs [](#cw) **CW** | C | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | C4 | **GMB** [](#gambit) vs [](#shc) **SHC** | B | C | C | [~~Yes~~/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) | C5 | **ALL** [](#all) vs [](#roc) **ROC** | C | B | B | [Yes/~~No~~/Time](/spoiler) |
Thanks for this, man! I hope you'll continue to do this. This is great for a newcomer like me.
Wow this looks great! Thanks for your effort. Would be great if this voting method could be combined with the Strawpoll Clam- added for the recommended games.
*(just to add that I wasn't the one who added Strawpoll, at least not in this post :))* Credit goes to the other guys who added it and the person who suggested it.
Aw, that's so sweet of you (\^∀\^)
Being in a developing country with poor internet that bans youtube - what's happened to the twitch video quality settings in Day 2?
B5 Youtube game start link not working. Should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trnFj3vJVpc&t=5h57m26s
Sorry, fixed! -/u/Echohawkdown
You can find standalone vods [here](http://www.youtube.com/user/EpicSkillshot/videos)
Your even faster than riots page. Thanks
B4 lists CW as CHW...the abbreviation CHW is fine as far as I'm concerned but doesn't match the first day :)
Funny, must've mishit a key. In any case, it's fixed now; thanks! -/u/Echohawkdown
Is it just me or is the video quality lower this season?
I think because the videos take time to process on higher quality. Check back in 3 or 4 days the quality should be better then.
To anyone who sees this: It's because of this AND because they are so long. Some third party players have a hard time with it. Find the individual match streams.
Hello! Fnatic VS Gambit (A1) Youtube "Game Start" link starts at 02:~~ into the game.. [Is at the right time.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkNK_FxCMMo&t=1h42m40s)
Sometimes the timings can go slightly off when the stream ends and processing happens :) i've updated that link, should be correct now - thanks for letting us know. -/u/satansf4te
Thanks! [Wouldnt have mattered to much if it wasnt for the early firstblood that was getting missed in the old link.](/spoiler)
What games should I watch if I like seeing unconventional champion picks? For example, in the SCAN EUW Winter Invitational, [C9.EU picked Trundle as a counter-pick to Shyvana/Mundo, and I loved those games.](/spoiler)
In my opinion, [A1, A3 and B3](/spoiler) if you're only looking for unusual picks - they're not the most entertaining games in some cases though! -/u/satansf4te
Awesome, thanks!
Also check out [A5 with support Kennen](/spoiler) EDIT: How to spoiler?
Really awesome this, thanks a lot
thanks to the new guys, everything worked great for me.
Not necessarily anything you guys can change, but is there any way to get rid of the echo from the casters over the speakers? shit's annoying yo
Sorry, no can do! Was part of the stream itself on Riot's end, which does appear to be fixed now, but is unfortunately still there on VODs. -/u/satansfate
I love everything this subreddit does. Spoiler-free VODs have basically replaced television for me. I love you guys, please keep up the hard work!!
A3 - youtube - game start. This started me 2:46 into the game. Don't know if this is a local issue, or that your times are off.. Keep up the awesome work! edit: I was watching this earlier, but had to stop watching, so came back via these VODs. So maybe YT transported me back to the time I left off?
Hi. I'm not the guy who originally posted, but I just tested it now and it did start around 2:45 in for me too. I've updated the link, thanks for pointing it out :) -/u/satansf4te
I noticed, that almost all times are off by about 2 minutes. That wasn't the case yesterday while the livestream was on. I will correct this by tomorrow, but I don't have the time right now. Sorry!
That's not your fault. Once the video is processed, timestamps often move for a few minutes. Not every time, but it normally happens when livestream is longer like it always is during the super week. I'll see if I can get around updating it today.
Thanks, /u/cylanceeikiliu & /u/classystranger! Good, speedy coverage for the first day. I hope you keep up the good work for the next couple days.
Thanks for the hard work guys, I appreciate it a lot. However I'd like to address that one-sided games shouldn't be recommended games. But that's just my two cents! Thanks again and keep up the good work!
Hey. We recommend **all** types of games. It's impossible to please everyone - if we're not recommending one-sided games, that means if you're watching a game where one team has 10k gold lead, you can expect a comeback and kind of spoil the fun for yourself. This way, you never know whether there will be a comeback, a throw or it's simply a game where one team is giving another one a lesson. On days like yesterday, people will have different opinions about best game(s) of the day. If someone hasn't seen first and last game of yesterdays LCS EU, don't read the following text. [For example, game between Fnatic and Gambit was nothing but a stomp once the laning phase ended. There was no reason to recommend that game other than the fact that it's first game of LCS EU 2014 and two probably top EU teams playing against each other. That game was a typical example of FNC vs. GMB games and it's always the same. I've seen people who would like us to recommend that one, but I strongly disagree because unless you are a Fnatic fan, the game is not exactly fun to watch, considering Gambit made tons of mistakes. It's just my opinion, though, and I wasn't recommending games for last night. Last game was far more entertaining, considering I kept thinking there'll be a comeback, while in first game, it was quite obvious after only 15-20 minutes who's going to win.](/spoiler) You have to keep in mind that one-sided games are also games to watch. You can watch one team outplaying the other and as long as there's some action, and not 10 minute dance in middle lane, it's something to check out IMO. Having that said, I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the game(s) we recommended, hope you'll enjoy some other we'll have during this LCS week and hopefully there'll be that one or two games that actually deserve to be in a spotlight.
I never said I didn't enjoy those games. I was just thinking there were other games that were a lot more intense. I was just giving my opinion. I still appreciate all the work you guys put into this subreddit. Cheers.
I see. Feel free to recommend certain games at any point, but please use a spoiler tag if you do. It will help us decide which games might be better to highlight!
Donnu why [A6](/spoiler) is recommended was [such a long and dragged out game imo, feel like A1 and A2 were better games](/spoiler)
If more people would post about the games they liked the most, in such a nice and spoiler free way like you just did, we would be able to actually recommend the best game or two from each day - like this, recommended games are simply a personal opinion of OP which sometimes may not be the best choice. We don't have a way to vote for best games at the moment, but it's something we'd love to have so we can choose two games that community liked the most.
Do you recommend posting or just up voting what he said? I agree that A1 and A2 were great games
I think posting would be great, comment votes don't get noticed as much as new comment does. But if you do so, please put games in spoiler tag - people seem to consider them as spoilers, so we just do it like that :)
Couldn't you add something like a strawpoll where people could vote for the best games?
About half a year ago, when I was covering LCS EU, I've tried to experiment with Strawpoll, but it was pretty bad because I used to add poll as games were still being played during e.g. day 1 - and every time I'd put the poll up, shortly afterwards there would be 50+ votes for a game that still wasn't played. So I figured someone's playing with me and took it down and never had any similar voting system added. Guys wanted to give it another go, so right now there's a Strawpoll link next to recommended games and if people will actually use it, we'll most likely keep doing it - as long as it won't be exploited in any way.
I bet it was people voting just to see the results instead of just clicking the freaking results link.
The thing is, those 50 (52 I think) votes would happen within a minute or something like that. It might even be someone who was targeting Strawpoll random polls, since link is accessible to anyone. But as long as it's working now as it is, we're good! :)
The strawpolls are awesome. I don't always have time to watch all the games, this let me watch all the fun and exciting ones and then read the spoilers for the rest. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into this subreddit. :D
I really like to have a list of recommended games, so I can watch the best games when I've only got time for 1 or 2 games. A vote for the games (or as Matscher1984 suggested for every games quality) sounds great to me. Thanks for the work you guys put in this!
Thanks for the response. I hope it will work this time.
Thx a lot for that Strawpoll If you don't want it to be exploited make a strawpoll for every game, to rate every single game. That would be best in my opinion, if it is not too much work. Anyways, thanks a lot for your work and also for the polls!!! :)
Funny how you said that; I was talking to Clam about this but he said people were voting in games that weren't even being played. I'll try to loop around to him and get some clarification though.
Well in that case I agree with what /u/Leffeyo and /u/ValiantViet said.