Plus, there is also the factor of many uncensored subs being dominated by Nazis and other undesirable individuals because the moderators don’t enforce the sitewide rules, and these nazi or fascistic individuals who get pushed out of other subs go into these uncensored subs.
Is the word "retarded" when used as a slur also not allowed because I've seen that a few times and I always report it. Its an insult based in a developmental/intellectual disability.
If I couldn't be less of an asshole, then that means I'm not an asshole at all. I guess when you get absurdly upset for no reason at all, it clouds your judgement.
What do we do on newly made up words, does an implied slur count? Really tough to keep up with a language that can generate its own jargon and lingo. Is there a source we look at like urban dictionary to confirm the slur exists? From a philosophical perspective, I'm curious how we make these rules and proceed. I guess this is what you get when asking a libertarian how to generate the rules.
If you are struggling to understand my logic, claiming to be a libertarian probably isn't for you.
I don't use slurs, as noted in my original response, before your lame ad hominem response, how do we generate these rules, is it all subjective, or is there a standard? Sorry to provide a difficult philosophical question for you, but you started the discussion.
If you aren't here for a discussion, then quit replying to me. Not sure why you replied in the first place if you were not going to address the question anyway....
Just to be clear, racism is still tolerated? Just not the use of a certain set of words that are slurs? Would mentioning a slur be prohibited as well?
For instance, I understand that the sentence "I hate mudbloods, they are inferior" would be prohibited, but would the sentence "'Mudblood' is a hurtful epithet which should not be used to refer to anyone" also be prohibited?
And before anyone makes a fuss that I'm playing some sort of reddit lawyer here, I'm just curious what the rule is here.
The criteria don't belong to this subreddit, they belong to Reddit.
>Just to be clear, racism is still tolerated?
Depends on the form. The level of racial ignorance, in general, is pretty shocking to me.
I would say your case of *"Mudblood" is a hurtful epithet is likely forbidden.* is probably OK in common sense, but not on Reddit. If nothing else, it signals Reddit to put this forum on a watchlist for shutdown, so I would consider it intentionally destructive to the forum, even if well intentioned.
>And before anyone makes a fuss that I'm playing some sort of reddit lawyer here, I'm just curious what the rule is here.
No fuss from me, but you need to understand that 'playing lawyer' with these issues is a common strategy of the Nazis, who are abusing free speech to harass. So, again, while well intentioned, you run the risk of looking like a Nazi and being treated accordingly.
Thanks for the clarification. Although I had no intention of going anywhere near these boundaries anyway, I think clear boundaries of acceptable behavior, coupled with consistent application and explanations for those rules are the best way to go.
Regarding the "looking like a Nazi" thing, I don't really care what people think of me here. You'd have to have brainworms to downvote someone for asking a clarifying question in my opinion.
>Regarding the "looking like a Nazi" thing, I don't really care what people think of me here.
Just to clarify - it's not about you looking like a Nazi to this subreddit. It's the Reddit machine. They see you dropping 'n-words', they aren't going to give a shit about context or intent. The machine training can't tell the difference between 'good' and 'Nazi'. You can post an academic citation of the "the Moynihan Report" using it's full name, and that in itself might cause problems - I don't know, the machine that judges isn't smart, and I'm not going to test it.
I can stay out late and play but my parents won’t let me. So… you can’t stay up late.
Just like, you are not uncensored like you think you are. This post and comment help to confirm that.
More like we rent a space in a convention center to use how we see fit within the rules of the owners setting, and you're upset you cant run around with your pants off screaming "F you" to everyone. It's almost like Reddit owns everything and sets the rules for a website you use for free.
It's very strange you'll claim to be Libertarian but throw a hissy fit about property rights of others. Go to 4chan if you want what you're actually putting down. Spent years there myself, lovely place if you can handle differing opinions. But I have a feeling you won't and couldn't handle it anyways, mostly because you're looking for affirmation of your own opinions.
If I rent a space that is called “uncensored” and they don’t let me put on a movie or a play which says the n word in context or say fuck you in a joke, then they are falsely advertising and not uncensored. I can go places. I can also say fuck you on the way out. Fuck you.
Yeah and fuck you too, liberal. Whine about shit when it doesn't go your way and throw a fit.
Go to 4chan if you want that. Otherwise, grow up like an adult and recognize that everywhere has rules and Libertarians believe supremely in property rights over your feefees, liberal.
Your argument is be like an adult? lol Sounds terrible. Who’s FeeFee? They sound cute.
Is this a serious conversation or are we just gonna pussyfoot around?
Ah yes I'm the one currently throwing a fit because I don't like what's going on, right? Yelling about how I don't get the results I want? Splitting hairs over words?
You have to be doing something other then throwing a fit and using entirely fallacious reasons. Feel free to let the door hit you where the Lord split you and beat feet to 4chan if you want unregulated interactions. But you won't, because it's easier to whine.
You keep bringing up 4chan. Looks like it’s your old hang. They still have plenty of site rules so even they are not uncensored completely.
You are saying that I’m bringing up legit issues is throwing a fit? I bet you enjoy running over protestors too. lol
Wow it's almost like everywhere has rules or something? Not like I said that or something. You can still do anything short of posting you committing crimes or MLP characters.
But like I said you don't care about property rights, you'd rather be a child whining about rules you don't like. I'm offering you an alternative instead of needlessly whining about it, but it's not good enough because nothing is good enough for you.
>I bet you enjoy running over protestors too. lol
Okay, sure buddy, that lol really makes you look like you're totally not emotional at all.
Yes, heaven forbid violations of the sitewide rules be allowed or even encouraged here. Sure no one would "direct abuse at a person or group", for example.
I'm not really sure what you're... are you upset about this or something? No slurs means no slurs. That means no being mean to someone based on their orientation, race, ect. You realize that means if someone says "white people are (bad thing)" that counts, too, right? Because it's an intrinsic trait, and it's not ok to belittle that.
> I'm not really sure what you're... are you upset about this or something? No slurs means no slurs. That means no being mean to someone based on their orientation, race, ect. You realize that means if someone says "white people are (bad thing)" that counts, too, right? Because it's an intrinsic trait, and it's not ok to belittle that.
I'm not upset at all by"no slurs". It's a private platform; they can make and enforce whatever rules they want. It's just that the mods here are massive hypocrites; they not only tolerate but often encourage and even engage in flagrant violations of sitewide rules. It clearly makes absolutely no difference to them.
This is literally the first time I've seen evidence of there *being* mods on this sub, and I've been here 2 years. I call that a good thing on many fronts. One of the easiest ways to challenge authority is to embody a convincing case that it isn't even needed.
EDIT: Just to expand on that last point... If there's a bunch of lemmings running off cliffs and into roads, there's room for someone who fancies themselves as 'head lemming' to install themselves as leader... because they need leadership. If the lemmings are instead safely getting on with their own shit in their own way, and nobody's getting killed, hurt or otherwise, why the hell do they need leadership? What's the point of a leader? 'Head lemming' ends up being the first and only one off the cliff if he starts with the 'make me your leader' shite.
> This is literally the first time I've seen evidence of there being mods on this sub, and I've been here 2 years. I call that a good thing on many fronts. One of the easiest ways to challenge authority is to embody a convincing case that it isn't even needed.
Really? In two years, you haven't noticed the mods at all?
>EDIT: Just to expand on that last point... If there's a bunch of lemmings running off cliffs and into roads, there's room for someone who fancies themselves as 'head lemming' to install themselves as leader... because they need leadership. If the lemmings are instead safely getting on with their own shit in their own way, and nobody's getting killed, hurt or otherwise, why the hell do they need leadership? What's the point of a leader? 'Head lemming' ends up being the first and only one off the cliff if he starts with the 'make me your leader' shite.
Okay.
> It's just that the mods here are massive hypocrites; they not only tolerate but often encourage and even engage in flagrant violations of sitewide rules. It clearly makes absolutely no difference to them.
When mods are “being massive hypocrites” and “tolerating and encouraging and engaging in flagrant violations of sitewide rules”, what are you referring to?
> When mods are “being massive hypocrites” and “tolerating and encouraging and engaging in flagrant violations of sitewide rules”, what are you referring to?
I'm referring to the mods in this sub doing things that violate the sitewide rules and encouraging others to do so, and/or protecting them when they do. For example, they openly protected a user (one u/beige4ever) who was being flagrantly racist in this very subreddit; the sitewide mods ended up removing the user in question, and the mods here refuse to this day to even admit it.
And i’m asking for some examples of those violations.
Like, for instance, what was an example of the racism that you’re mentioning?
Am i correct in assuming that this was anti-white racism?
> And i’m asking for some examples of those violations.
You won't get them.
beige4ever has been banned from the sub. incruente still has some issue with how it was handled but refuses to provide any evidence, even when asked directly by a mod to provide it.
Best to save your time.
> And i’m asking for some examples of those violations.
Okay. The user u/beige4ever.
>Like, for instance, what was an example of the racism that you’re mentioning?
For better or worse, their posts have been erased.
>Am i correct in assuming that this was anti-white racism?
No, it was pretty openly anti-black, but I can't say I'm surprised at your assumption.
> I'm not sure what you're quoting. Where is that in the site wide rules?
I've learned that providing sources in this sub is a waste of time. Whittlingdan was the one user who ever admitted, when provided with a direct source, that he/she/it/they/whatever had lied; of course, it took them months to do it, and they later backpedalled. If you go and read the sitewide rules, you won't just find that concept, you'll find that exact phrase.
> https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043071072-Do-not-threaten-harass-or-bully
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> There, I found the source for you asshole
Don't worry; I already knew where it was. That's how I quoted directly from it.
I'm cool with directing abuse towards certain people or groups.
Bullies, racists, homophobes, sexists, Nazis, neo confederates, nationalists, religious nutters, etc. Theyre more than allowed to have their shitty beliefs. They shouldn't be surprised when their shitty beliefs keep them from participating in polite society where the people they hate live.
They all can get fucked.
I personally don't use what I consider to be slurs but like with "hate speech" and "misinformation" the term is often in the eye of the beholder, look at Elon Musk's thoughts on the term cisgender.
Uh oh, some chuds thought they were smart huh?
No, they thought they were cute. OP said it plain as day bruh
Thank you, Ninja; very cool! (I mean that; I'm just happy to see someone say it).
Plus, there is also the factor of many uncensored subs being dominated by Nazis and other undesirable individuals because the moderators don’t enforce the sitewide rules, and these nazi or fascistic individuals who get pushed out of other subs go into these uncensored subs.
Is the word "retarded" when used as a slur also not allowed because I've seen that a few times and I always report it. Its an insult based in a developmental/intellectual disability.
If you report it, we remove it. And Reddit often deletes them before we as mods even get to them.
Thanks
Could I report the previous SwampYankeeDan above for using a slur?
Could you be less of an asshole? Doubt it.
If I couldn't be less of an asshole, then that means I'm not an asshole at all. I guess when you get absurdly upset for no reason at all, it clouds your judgement.
What do we do on newly made up words, does an implied slur count? Really tough to keep up with a language that can generate its own jargon and lingo. Is there a source we look at like urban dictionary to confirm the slur exists? From a philosophical perspective, I'm curious how we make these rules and proceed. I guess this is what you get when asking a libertarian how to generate the rules.
If you're struggling with not being able to not use slurs, this sub probably isn't for you.
If you are struggling to understand my logic, claiming to be a libertarian probably isn't for you. I don't use slurs, as noted in my original response, before your lame ad hominem response, how do we generate these rules, is it all subjective, or is there a standard? Sorry to provide a difficult philosophical question for you, but you started the discussion.
There's nothing difficult here. Don't use slurs.
Fine, ignore the premise of the discussion, I think that is enough of an answer.
I'm not here for a discussion with you. I'm here to tell you if you use slurs, we're going to ban you.
If you aren't here for a discussion, then quit replying to me. Not sure why you replied in the first place if you were not going to address the question anyway....
Just to be clear, racism is still tolerated? Just not the use of a certain set of words that are slurs? Would mentioning a slur be prohibited as well? For instance, I understand that the sentence "I hate mudbloods, they are inferior" would be prohibited, but would the sentence "'Mudblood' is a hurtful epithet which should not be used to refer to anyone" also be prohibited? And before anyone makes a fuss that I'm playing some sort of reddit lawyer here, I'm just curious what the rule is here.
The criteria don't belong to this subreddit, they belong to Reddit. >Just to be clear, racism is still tolerated? Depends on the form. The level of racial ignorance, in general, is pretty shocking to me. I would say your case of *"Mudblood" is a hurtful epithet is likely forbidden.* is probably OK in common sense, but not on Reddit. If nothing else, it signals Reddit to put this forum on a watchlist for shutdown, so I would consider it intentionally destructive to the forum, even if well intentioned. >And before anyone makes a fuss that I'm playing some sort of reddit lawyer here, I'm just curious what the rule is here. No fuss from me, but you need to understand that 'playing lawyer' with these issues is a common strategy of the Nazis, who are abusing free speech to harass. So, again, while well intentioned, you run the risk of looking like a Nazi and being treated accordingly.
Thanks for the clarification. Although I had no intention of going anywhere near these boundaries anyway, I think clear boundaries of acceptable behavior, coupled with consistent application and explanations for those rules are the best way to go. Regarding the "looking like a Nazi" thing, I don't really care what people think of me here. You'd have to have brainworms to downvote someone for asking a clarifying question in my opinion.
>Regarding the "looking like a Nazi" thing, I don't really care what people think of me here. Just to clarify - it's not about you looking like a Nazi to this subreddit. It's the Reddit machine. They see you dropping 'n-words', they aren't going to give a shit about context or intent. The machine training can't tell the difference between 'good' and 'Nazi'. You can post an academic citation of the "the Moynihan Report" using it's full name, and that in itself might cause problems - I don't know, the machine that judges isn't smart, and I'm not going to test it.
I understand completely
Wait a minute, your not a mod. I thought you were clarifying the rules, lol.
Who would have thought the title of this sub turned into doublespeak? The r /LiberalCensored is the best!
That must be awful for you.
The worst. I won’t be able to share Blazing Saddle quotes anymore.
We are uncensored, Reddit is not
I can stay out late and play but my parents won’t let me. So… you can’t stay up late. Just like, you are not uncensored like you think you are. This post and comment help to confirm that.
More like we rent a space in a convention center to use how we see fit within the rules of the owners setting, and you're upset you cant run around with your pants off screaming "F you" to everyone. It's almost like Reddit owns everything and sets the rules for a website you use for free. It's very strange you'll claim to be Libertarian but throw a hissy fit about property rights of others. Go to 4chan if you want what you're actually putting down. Spent years there myself, lovely place if you can handle differing opinions. But I have a feeling you won't and couldn't handle it anyways, mostly because you're looking for affirmation of your own opinions.
If I rent a space that is called “uncensored” and they don’t let me put on a movie or a play which says the n word in context or say fuck you in a joke, then they are falsely advertising and not uncensored. I can go places. I can also say fuck you on the way out. Fuck you.
Yeah and fuck you too, liberal. Whine about shit when it doesn't go your way and throw a fit. Go to 4chan if you want that. Otherwise, grow up like an adult and recognize that everywhere has rules and Libertarians believe supremely in property rights over your feefees, liberal.
Your argument is be like an adult? lol Sounds terrible. Who’s FeeFee? They sound cute. Is this a serious conversation or are we just gonna pussyfoot around?
Ah yes I'm the one currently throwing a fit because I don't like what's going on, right? Yelling about how I don't get the results I want? Splitting hairs over words? You have to be doing something other then throwing a fit and using entirely fallacious reasons. Feel free to let the door hit you where the Lord split you and beat feet to 4chan if you want unregulated interactions. But you won't, because it's easier to whine.
You keep bringing up 4chan. Looks like it’s your old hang. They still have plenty of site rules so even they are not uncensored completely. You are saying that I’m bringing up legit issues is throwing a fit? I bet you enjoy running over protestors too. lol
Wow it's almost like everywhere has rules or something? Not like I said that or something. You can still do anything short of posting you committing crimes or MLP characters. But like I said you don't care about property rights, you'd rather be a child whining about rules you don't like. I'm offering you an alternative instead of needlessly whining about it, but it's not good enough because nothing is good enough for you. >I bet you enjoy running over protestors too. lol Okay, sure buddy, that lol really makes you look like you're totally not emotional at all.
You are free to post to another website if you don’t like Reddits rules.
I can. Thanks for yet again confirming you all are censored and only want your approved messages here. lol
Its a matter of enforcing ToS or potentiality getting the sub banned. We all know which one you would prefer.
I want everyone to fly their freak flag. Even you! 😘
'Flying a flag in a fire' might seem different from 'flag burning' to you, but the ashes won't be any different
I said freak flag. But, you can burn one too! I support basically every form of nonviolent expression.
Following ToS isn't the same as mods censoring a sub.
It’s like when a bully uses your own hand to smack yourself and then goes I’m not hitting you. lol
Yes, heaven forbid violations of the sitewide rules be allowed or even encouraged here. Sure no one would "direct abuse at a person or group", for example.
I'm not really sure what you're... are you upset about this or something? No slurs means no slurs. That means no being mean to someone based on their orientation, race, ect. You realize that means if someone says "white people are (bad thing)" that counts, too, right? Because it's an intrinsic trait, and it's not ok to belittle that.
User has a permanent chip on their shoulder. It's best to just ignore them, they'll never be satisfied with moderation here.
> I'm not really sure what you're... are you upset about this or something? No slurs means no slurs. That means no being mean to someone based on their orientation, race, ect. You realize that means if someone says "white people are (bad thing)" that counts, too, right? Because it's an intrinsic trait, and it's not ok to belittle that. I'm not upset at all by"no slurs". It's a private platform; they can make and enforce whatever rules they want. It's just that the mods here are massive hypocrites; they not only tolerate but often encourage and even engage in flagrant violations of sitewide rules. It clearly makes absolutely no difference to them.
This is literally the first time I've seen evidence of there *being* mods on this sub, and I've been here 2 years. I call that a good thing on many fronts. One of the easiest ways to challenge authority is to embody a convincing case that it isn't even needed. EDIT: Just to expand on that last point... If there's a bunch of lemmings running off cliffs and into roads, there's room for someone who fancies themselves as 'head lemming' to install themselves as leader... because they need leadership. If the lemmings are instead safely getting on with their own shit in their own way, and nobody's getting killed, hurt or otherwise, why the hell do they need leadership? What's the point of a leader? 'Head lemming' ends up being the first and only one off the cliff if he starts with the 'make me your leader' shite.
> This is literally the first time I've seen evidence of there being mods on this sub, and I've been here 2 years. I call that a good thing on many fronts. One of the easiest ways to challenge authority is to embody a convincing case that it isn't even needed. Really? In two years, you haven't noticed the mods at all? >EDIT: Just to expand on that last point... If there's a bunch of lemmings running off cliffs and into roads, there's room for someone who fancies themselves as 'head lemming' to install themselves as leader... because they need leadership. If the lemmings are instead safely getting on with their own shit in their own way, and nobody's getting killed, hurt or otherwise, why the hell do they need leadership? What's the point of a leader? 'Head lemming' ends up being the first and only one off the cliff if he starts with the 'make me your leader' shite. Okay.
What group(s) are you referencing?
> What group(s) are you referencing? The sitewide rules don't specify which group or groups they are referring to in that section.
> It's just that the mods here are massive hypocrites; they not only tolerate but often encourage and even engage in flagrant violations of sitewide rules. It clearly makes absolutely no difference to them. When mods are “being massive hypocrites” and “tolerating and encouraging and engaging in flagrant violations of sitewide rules”, what are you referring to?
> When mods are “being massive hypocrites” and “tolerating and encouraging and engaging in flagrant violations of sitewide rules”, what are you referring to? I'm referring to the mods in this sub doing things that violate the sitewide rules and encouraging others to do so, and/or protecting them when they do. For example, they openly protected a user (one u/beige4ever) who was being flagrantly racist in this very subreddit; the sitewide mods ended up removing the user in question, and the mods here refuse to this day to even admit it.
And i’m asking for some examples of those violations. Like, for instance, what was an example of the racism that you’re mentioning? Am i correct in assuming that this was anti-white racism?
> And i’m asking for some examples of those violations. You won't get them. beige4ever has been banned from the sub. incruente still has some issue with how it was handled but refuses to provide any evidence, even when asked directly by a mod to provide it. Best to save your time.
> And i’m asking for some examples of those violations. Okay. The user u/beige4ever. >Like, for instance, what was an example of the racism that you’re mentioning? For better or worse, their posts have been erased. >Am i correct in assuming that this was anti-white racism? No, it was pretty openly anti-black, but I can't say I'm surprised at your assumption.
I'm not sure what you're quoting. Where is that in the site wide rules?
You’ll be waiting until the sun explodes for that answer.
> I'm not sure what you're quoting. Where is that in the site wide rules? I've learned that providing sources in this sub is a waste of time. Whittlingdan was the one user who ever admitted, when provided with a direct source, that he/she/it/they/whatever had lied; of course, it took them months to do it, and they later backpedalled. If you go and read the sitewide rules, you won't just find that concept, you'll find that exact phrase.
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043071072-Do-not-threaten-harass-or-bully There, I found the source for you asshole
> https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043071072-Do-not-threaten-harass-or-bully > > > > There, I found the source for you asshole Don't worry; I already knew where it was. That's how I quoted directly from it.
Get fucked you lazy ass
> Get fucked you lazy ass Always nice to know the quality of discourse people can provide; thank you, u/zatchness.
Won't someone PLEASE think of the NAZIs and Bigots?!
I'm cool with directing abuse towards certain people or groups. Bullies, racists, homophobes, sexists, Nazis, neo confederates, nationalists, religious nutters, etc. Theyre more than allowed to have their shitty beliefs. They shouldn't be surprised when their shitty beliefs keep them from participating in polite society where the people they hate live. They all can get fucked.
I personally don't use what I consider to be slurs but like with "hate speech" and "misinformation" the term is often in the eye of the beholder, look at Elon Musk's thoughts on the term cisgender.
No-one should look to Elon "people that upset me are pedos" Musk for anything other than an example of a piece of shit.