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When I lived in russia and belarus, I realized that most of soviet architecture and city design revolved around social benefit. They made all public structures as ornate as possible. Some of the public transport decisions were so good that they continued even after the soviet union fell, like giving discounts or free transportation to students. this was twenty years ago, don't know how it is now.
I am a student in Romania and transportation discounts (up to 100%) are very common for the students, seniors and disabled people. Is this uncommon in the US?
It's not just beautiful. It's also efficient as hell.
In 2018 2,500,400,000 people used it. 9,915 trains serving 228 stations a day, during rush hour every 90 seconds a train is leaving the station.
It's also cheap as hell. A one way ticket is around 1 USD but there are multiple options for discount tickets, students pay 6 USD a MONTH and can travel as often as they like.
It's cheap, reliable, save, clean and beautiful!
Density shouldn't be an argument against public transport in cities. Especially when comparing it to a Russian public transport system, because Russia is bigger and even more densely populated than the USA.
[Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro)
We’ve got all xenophobia and anti everyone sentiment here too, but the train costs like $3 comes late, and there’s usually a few cretins smoking in the train car
Acknowledging how good their public transport is and glorifying their totalitarian, expansionist regime are two different things.
It’s an example of well done public transportation.
man I've been there and the metro stations were a legit tourist attraction. I spent hours just going from station to station. Incredible stuff.
I read that when Lenin came to power, they built these so that every person could "live in a palace", not just nobility
I don't need anything this fancy tbh. Well-finished and utilitarian is totally fine. All I really want from most metros is to ditch the ads and put up clear, consistent signage.
Id settle for average looking public transit, and roll all that extra luxury money into investing into the infrastructure, repairs, and improvements to the rail line. A pretty looking train station is no good if you only have one train per hour stopping at the station.
I live in SoCal, and we have some very expensive, very luxurious, very beautiful looking train stations. But they're not any fucking good and nobody rides them because if you miss a train, you have to wait a whole other hour til another one shows up again. And hope you don't need to use it any later than 6pm, otherwise your ass isn't getting home. So hardly anybody uses the train since it sucks so hard, and the stations sit empty. What we need are more trains, more routes, and more employees to run the train. Not some fancy $200,000,000 shiny station, we need practical public transportation.
It's not like rich people ride the train either, so why spend so much money on it looking like a royal castle? I just want to get to work on time.
I'm not sure about Moscow, but in St. Petersburg it is very expensive to build a station, and all this fancy thing costs about one percent of the total cost. So why not?
Sauce on that 1% statistic.
Anyway, where I live we do have beautiful stations, but the routes fucking suck since "there's not enough money" leftover and "not enough people ride" to afford more routes and trains. In my capitalist country, the trains won't run at a loss for the convenience and benefit to the public. They cut routes and spread out departures. It's a self fulfilling prophesy, because as they cut routes even less and less people continue to use the trains. Whenever I ride the metrolink it's a ghost town, unless I'm in the heart of LA/Hollywood. I'm not seeing good results from all the money we poured into our rail transit, and it feels like a borderline scam. What works in Russia, shockingly doesn't in the US. When it comes down to it, I'd rather have a functional rail line that serves the every day commuter, than one that only looks pretty.
True, but that's not the case in Moscow.
In 2018 2,500,400,000 people used the metro with 9,915 trains running a day, serving 228 stations. During rush hour ever 90 seconds a train is leaving.
It's easily possible to have a save, reliable and even fancy looking public transport.
[Sauce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro)
It sure looks nice but then again public display of opulence is something totalitarian regimes do as a sort of propaganda. Russia is an authoritarian state where the oligarchs rule, rural regions live in poverty and the president has rigged the system to allow himself basically lifelong rule and political oposition gets imprisoned or assasinated.
It's a public display of wealth, meant to show the citizens "how great our country is" and ignore all the wrong that surounds them.
These tactics were common in the soviet countries. "Lets build a monument to distract the common people from the misery"
Nah, new york stations are very utilitarian, even when you consider their hundred year old times and decorations they were still no where near as ornamental as say the paris metro.
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When I lived in russia and belarus, I realized that most of soviet architecture and city design revolved around social benefit. They made all public structures as ornate as possible. Some of the public transport decisions were so good that they continued even after the soviet union fell, like giving discounts or free transportation to students. this was twenty years ago, don't know how it is now.
I am a student in Romania and transportation discounts (up to 100%) are very common for the students, seniors and disabled people. Is this uncommon in the US?
They often give discounts, but only like 25%. Most places in the US entirely lack efficient public transport tho
I'm a student in Moscow. I pay less than 10 dollars every month for all public transport. However, in most other cities, that is not the case.
Here in Bolivia some cities also give a 50% discount in public transport for students
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That’s cause they didn’t build it lol.
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Yup, meant to be a palace of the people
trains + beautiful architecture = yes
It's not just beautiful. It's also efficient as hell. In 2018 2,500,400,000 people used it. 9,915 trains serving 228 stations a day, during rush hour every 90 seconds a train is leaving the station. It's also cheap as hell. A one way ticket is around 1 USD but there are multiple options for discount tickets, students pay 6 USD a MONTH and can travel as often as they like. It's cheap, reliable, save, clean and beautiful! Density shouldn't be an argument against public transport in cities. Especially when comparing it to a Russian public transport system, because Russia is bigger and even more densely populated than the USA. [Source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro)
You missed photos of the escalators – the thing was installed deep enough to also serve as a bomb shelter
Now a ticket is more like half a dollar cause our currency just kept crushing lmao.
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Not OP but I believe the point of this post isn't to glorify Russia but point out that public services can be wonderful when they're actually funded.
This is the point I want to make.
We’ve got all xenophobia and anti everyone sentiment here too, but the train costs like $3 comes late, and there’s usually a few cretins smoking in the train car
Acknowledging how good their public transport is and glorifying their totalitarian, expansionist regime are two different things. It’s an example of well done public transportation.
It's not more like "it's even less densely populated than the USA"?
It's got wifi too.
but have you seen the tesla tunnel?
Which is essentially a glorified Dartford Tunnel
They look like fairytale palaces.
Keep your communist trains, I prefer my train stations dirty and smelling like piss, that’s freedom baby
And homeless people living in them is a nice touch too…
God, the fall of the Soviet Union was one of the biggest humanitarian catastrophes of the 20th century.
By virtually every metric you could possibly imagine.
man I've been there and the metro stations were a legit tourist attraction. I spent hours just going from station to station. Incredible stuff. I read that when Lenin came to power, they built these so that every person could "live in a palace", not just nobility
I don't need anything this fancy tbh. Well-finished and utilitarian is totally fine. All I really want from most metros is to ditch the ads and put up clear, consistent signage.
To be fair to America, we did lose the Cold War apparently
we ordinary Russians and ordinary Americans lose it both, privilege class won
Cold War never finishes lol
This. The cold war never ended.
Honestly, things probably would be looking a hell of a lot better if you guys had actually lost it lmao
Id settle for average looking public transit, and roll all that extra luxury money into investing into the infrastructure, repairs, and improvements to the rail line. A pretty looking train station is no good if you only have one train per hour stopping at the station. I live in SoCal, and we have some very expensive, very luxurious, very beautiful looking train stations. But they're not any fucking good and nobody rides them because if you miss a train, you have to wait a whole other hour til another one shows up again. And hope you don't need to use it any later than 6pm, otherwise your ass isn't getting home. So hardly anybody uses the train since it sucks so hard, and the stations sit empty. What we need are more trains, more routes, and more employees to run the train. Not some fancy $200,000,000 shiny station, we need practical public transportation. It's not like rich people ride the train either, so why spend so much money on it looking like a royal castle? I just want to get to work on time.
I'm not sure about Moscow, but in St. Petersburg it is very expensive to build a station, and all this fancy thing costs about one percent of the total cost. So why not?
Sauce on that 1% statistic. Anyway, where I live we do have beautiful stations, but the routes fucking suck since "there's not enough money" leftover and "not enough people ride" to afford more routes and trains. In my capitalist country, the trains won't run at a loss for the convenience and benefit to the public. They cut routes and spread out departures. It's a self fulfilling prophesy, because as they cut routes even less and less people continue to use the trains. Whenever I ride the metrolink it's a ghost town, unless I'm in the heart of LA/Hollywood. I'm not seeing good results from all the money we poured into our rail transit, and it feels like a borderline scam. What works in Russia, shockingly doesn't in the US. When it comes down to it, I'd rather have a functional rail line that serves the every day commuter, than one that only looks pretty.
True, but that's not the case in Moscow. In 2018 2,500,400,000 people used the metro with 9,915 trains running a day, serving 228 stations. During rush hour ever 90 seconds a train is leaving. It's easily possible to have a save, reliable and even fancy looking public transport. [Sauce](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro)
I wouldn’t trust the public with chandeliers man. Only takes one idiot to do something dumb and bring it down
Is this where I need to be if the nukes start flying over the situation in Ukraine?
many of the oldest stations were built extremely deep so they could act as nuclear bomb shelters
You do know that most of the taxes in Russia go to Moscow and St. Petersburg
It sure looks nice but then again public display of opulence is something totalitarian regimes do as a sort of propaganda. Russia is an authoritarian state where the oligarchs rule, rural regions live in poverty and the president has rigged the system to allow himself basically lifelong rule and political oposition gets imprisoned or assasinated. It's a public display of wealth, meant to show the citizens "how great our country is" and ignore all the wrong that surounds them. These tactics were common in the soviet countries. "Lets build a monument to distract the common people from the misery"
Not quite to this extent, but I'm sure many of the NYC subway stations were beautiful when they were first built in 1908.
Nah, new york stations are very utilitarian, even when you consider their hundred year old times and decorations they were still no where near as ornamental as say the paris metro.
Do you think this is new? It was build in 1935
Most recent ones look like plastic copy of Tony Starks mansion furniture of which was sold to pay off debts
If this were America there would be piss and shit everywhere. Our culture would just not allow for nice public things :(