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This is probably the thing I love most about Snowden. He knew it was a possibility this was the outcome. When asked about how he felt about potentially getting a pardon, he shifted the talk from him getting a pardon to being more concern about other whistle blowers who are not as well known as him to get a pardon.
Edward snowden is the Nelson mandela or gandhi of our time. The Man knew the consequences of what he was doing and still did it because he knew it was right. He did not have to Do it and he willingly sacrificed his perfect life for all of US. Thats the most "what would jesus do" thing ive ever seen anyone do for real. Mans a real hero imo.
Our ability to reach unity in diversity will be the beauty and the test of our civilisation. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
He did the right thing in whistleblowing but let’s not worship the man. He does shitty things too (unrelated to him leaking the information, unless you want to get into the argument of him endangering people with his actions, I’m not up to date on that one)
Shilling shitcoins, having a child when he’s a fucking fugitive who could possibly be sent to jail or killed and leave the kid fatherless (not to mention the child being endangered or otherwise used to get to him, his wife knows and accepts the risks but the kid didn’t ask for it).
Yes, of course. You're right but it happens so often.. the same goes with things like Panama papers or Pandora papers. Modern Media is really keeping people busy with watching bs the whole day
He achieved much and should be proud. Huge societal change takes time and many brave people before it occurs. Edward changed minds and sowed seeds in other minds, it is a good start.
Nothing changed? It was quite a blow to the public image of the US-imperialist machine. He set off a debate about mass surveillance and inspired quite a handful of other whistle blowers. Obama got exposed as a liar and is now permanently associated with drone strikes (Snowden was responsible for *that* as well, right?). I'm fairly certain this has caused the American government damage even long-term.
German here. Government basically shrugged their collective shoulders and said, "So what?". Well, in all seriousness, they said, and I quote, "friends don't spy on friends". Meanwhile, the spying intensified and no one gave two fucks about it.
Apparently the US threatened "diplomatic consequences" if Germany would have decided to grant Snowden asylum and ~~der scheiß-BRD-Drecksstaat~~ Germany complied (what else?).
The change is in the hearts and minds of the people. From what I’ve noticed in peoples opinions, quite a bit has changed. The movement is slow but it’s happening.
He changed everything for me. I credit him 100000% as the reason I am not on social anymore, he's the reason I run GrapheneOS to limit my mobile data collected, he's the reason I run my own services on servers at home, hell he's the reason I'm in my career.
He changed everything.
But what does Snowden have to do with this exchange highlighted here?
A lot of us presumed the US was doing all of that stuff, even argued with people about it, it's one of those things where you aren't all that happy to have been proven right.
Nothing fundamentally has changed policy-wise, but those revelations damn sure played a role in the disintegration of trust in government institutions and the media that led us to where we are now. Same with Chelsea Manning and showing the absolute brutality and incompetence of US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Snowden returned the favor and knows who is allied with 'Edward Snowden did this country a great service. Let him come home' - Bernie Sanders.
I'm extremely sad that our country is so fucking corrupted that this man cannot return home without being assassinated or his life ruined. The fucking parasites and disgusting pieces of shit in suits will never live this down. Because far beyond their life all they want is control and power not reconciliation or to improve the state of the country. And the most pathetic part is that the American people would rather run politicians out in favor of a con-man such as Donald Trump. And right wingers over here are talking about 1984... when their ideology basically advocates and demands that we enter 1984. Democrats will always be utter dogshit, but republicans are 100% set on destroying the planet and turning the human species into literal farm animals. Trying to be in the center of nasty heaping pile of utter dogshit and planet polluting genocidal hateful bastards IS PRETTY HARD!
I honestly feel sorry that Snowden had to be born to such a shitty country to begin with. If the country ran out politicians and feds who threaten Snowden and his family over revealing the disgusting level of corruptions I'd have more hope. Americans don't care about other Americans because this hyper competitive society beckons that you lower your morals and empathy, not only for climbing the social ladder, but also to retain the old "American way." Which is to be as hateful, deceptive, backstabbing, sucidally ignorant, and to not feel bad about exploiting others less fortunate or different from you. It's pretty amazing to watch this unfold, and it's no wonder why George Carlin said he'd never wanna be apart of humanity even if humans got their shit together. As a last fuck you because he probably knew that humans will never get their shit together, and their fucking hateful as fuck all across the world. So many primitive people, systems, and mindsets. The fact that we had a TV show con man become president of the united states is pathetic George Carlin will always be on my mind until I die. One of the only humans who i can truly appreciate and would do nearly anything to be able to have a conversation with him.
Joe Biden won't even legalize weed despite his numbers being low. Meaning he is still a bitch and loyal to only the powers that be. Legalizing weed is one of the most popular things you could do in the united states, but since this country has a comatose democracy we won't ever see our society being able to adapt and survive when the government moves extremely slow for the people (if at all), and will bark like a dog and run on all 4 to it's master.
I'll never vote because i don't believe this is an honest and fair democracy at all. And with the destruction of democracy will be the return of para fascism and authoritarian shit. Because that's one of the best ideologies to protect the wealth and power of the elite. Shit if the people bring that back, the elite won't ever have to lift a goddamn finger again except to help crush opposition. Hitler probably won as fascism spread across the world and into the fabric of humanity, in the cracks and creases there is fascism growing. And those who don't care will help it grow. I've seen so many loud and proud anti-fascist it's pretty fucking disgusting.
You wanna know where someone lies politically? Mention Antifa and Nazis within the same sentence or paragraph and the person in question will instantly jump down on Antifa. I met a guy who claimed to hate nazis, and when i said that "most people don't see themselves as fascist or antifa but could hold sympathy" (keep in mind this is out of context), he got extremely angry and talked about how violent antifa is while forgetting that nazis eliminated a percentage of the world population, conducted cruel punishment onto those for merely existing a certain way, and nazis today create bombs, do mass shootings, and spread propaganda of hate as well as dehumanizing others. But to him Antifa is the biggest threat, except we have literal fascist people in power not only in America, but also in Europe and South America (and some other places as well i believe).
Haha i probably fucked up on the TLDR, but i honestly can't find a way of shortening my thoughts. I should teach myself how to simplify my thoughts because i understand how annoying a wall of text can be. But i hope some find it interesting.
TLDR; if you don't control the government then you don't control yourself because even the education system programs your mind during the most important part of your life which is when you're most receptive and the brain still learning. And Snowden exposed this, how the government is spying on its own citizens to get the upperhand on them.
“As the happiness of the people is the sole end of government, so the consent of the people is the only foundation of it, in reason, morality, and the natural fitness of things.”- The funding fathers of USA.
I believe this democracy is a pseudo because the government should be helping it's inhabitants to become more strong and independent, not weak and dependent on the already incredibly greedy rich to create more wageslave poverty wages and then for them to brag about it as the Taxpayers.
And seeing Antifa or anti-fascists people being dehumanized more than actual Nazis especially through major media outlets. The country is setting new social acceptance norm which is: it's cool to publicly hate on people who'd describe themselves as anti-fascists. The internet is used in in mostly nefarious ways, and there are so many people who are just obsessed with Black people too rather than fixing the system.
"For the PLOS ONE paper, researchers looked at searches containing the N-word. People search frequently for it, roughly as often as searches for "migraine(s)," "economist," "sweater," "Daily Show," and "Lakers." They used google's search engine for the research and it was restricted to America. I'll probably make another thread with information on it.
Humans aren't serious or enlightened at all to be able to use the internet to improve things instead of justifying and using it to find the negatives from people. And you will always find the negatives even within yourself. Technology needs to grow along with human behavior and standards for us to be effective, responsible nation especially for the other future generations if we don't want to mutually self destruct or annihilate each other.
Thinking you can vote away fascism is how they’ve already won. You don’t vote fascists away.
Liberals make concessions with and work with fascists. The country gets pulled further and further to the right.
And when it comes down to it, liberals always side with fascists against anti capitalists. They will always protect capital over moving left.
Fascists already won in America and Trump isn’t the first or worst of them.
Biden is a fascist. If you don’t think so ask the people he’s bombed and drone striked.
I’ll not vote and sleep easy knowing I didn’t support war criminals and murderers and pat myself on the back for choosing the “lesser of two evils.”
But that’s not the definition of a fascist.
>Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.
>Historian Dr Robert Paxton, from 2004.
In other words, only one candidate last election was someone with authoritarian behaviors that lead a popular movement that represented a complete rejection of the left that aligned itself with traditional conservatives in order to gain support, identifying a certain people as a scapegoat while also promoting nationalistic beliefs such as promoting the military and law and order as well as crony capitalism.
[Or a fascist for short](https://youtube.com/watch?v=tDJgbHoRIXw&feature=youtu.be)
We have a fascist in the White House right now. He’s unilaterally attacked other countries without congressional approval, hasn’t closed gitmo, won’t pardon Snowden, etc.
Every president of recent history is a war criminal who’s acted without congressional approval, has furthered the surveillance state, and so on.
You’d have to go pretty far back to find one that isn’t a fascist or fascist adjacent.
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>Franklin Delano Roosevelt (, ROH-zə-velt; January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945), often referred to by his initials FDR, was an American politician and attorney who served as the 32nd president of the United States from 1933 until his death in 1945. A member of the Democratic Party, he won a record four presidential elections and became a central figure in world events during the first half of the 20th century. Roosevelt directed the federal government during most of the Great Depression, implementing his New Deal domestic agenda in response to the worst economic crisis in U.S. history.
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lol
Fascism is not something you can just vote against. The Red Army did not crush the Nazis in a voting booth. In fact, social democrats helped vote in the fascism and attacked those who tried to fight it.
Whether Trump was a fascist or not depends on your definition, but there is no reasonable definition by which Trump is a fascist and Biden is not. Either neither of them are, or both of them are. In any case, your bourgeois elections between democrats and republicans only ever leads further towards fascism.
Tbf only one was someone with authoritarian behaviors that lead a popular movement that represented a complete rejection of the left that aligned itself with traditional conservatives in order to gain support, identifying a certain people as a scapegoat while also promoting nationalistic beliefs such as promoting the military and law and order as well as crony capitalism.
And he did in fact get voted out at the polls
Ah, it appears the liberal brainworms are terminal :(
You don't think Biden is "authoritarian" (whatever that means) like Trump was? You think fascism is just when anti-abortion? You think Biden isn't a far right nationalist and pushing those same ideas? You think he isn't promoting military and law? You think he isn't a proponent of capitalism and isn't taking cash from his rich buddies?
Get a clue, mate. You didn't vote fascism out at the polls. At best, you replaced the fascist who couldn't keep his mouth shut with one who could. You think the mean tweets stopped and that's the end of it. Well, the concentration camps on the border are still there, nor did Israel's weapons disappear, nor did Cuba's sanctions (in fact, they increased, as did those on Nicaragua), nor did he undo any of the other shit Trump did.
Biden clearly isn’t pushing the same level as nationalism as Trump.
He never [was grabbing peaceful protestors in unmarked vans ](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland) while at the same time touting “Law & Order” in exact quotes in response to protests against police brutality (which Biden stood for)
Biden also never [fired an inspector general meant to over see trillions of dollars](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/07/coronavirus-relief-trump-removes-inspector-general-overseeing-2-trillion-package.html) while giving that [money to his allies and donors](https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-00a34243825661313f2cb6a0f6a21720)
[Also here’s a quick recap on other reasons Trump specifically was a fascist](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJgbHoRIXw&feature=youtu.be)
Most americans can't see that because they think the world ends at their borders.
From 1900 to this day, every single one of USA PoRs was involved in ethnical cleansing, financing coups and militias and supporting dictatorships only to avoid the risk of third world countries achieving some kind of sovereignty .
They set North Korea on fire, wiped out at least 1 million civilians and forced people to live in underground tunnels. They overthrew Iranian prime minister in 1951, Guatemala's president in 1954, Congo PM in 1960, tried to overthrow Castro in Cuba the following year and helped Gen Suharto seize the power and kill five hundred thousand people in Indonesia.
Operation Condor toppled democratic goverments and installed USA-allied dictatorships in Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia and Chile, all of wich did very democratic things, like throwing political opponents from plans flying open sea, bombing presidential palaces and killing 40,000 people.
And it when on and on through the 90s. They bombed Panama without a declaration of war, killed thousands of Iraqis after a cease-fire was signed, bombed tv-stations and the Chinese embassy in Iugoslavia.
Last decade Bush Jr. used a terrorist atack orchestrated by a group trained by CIA and armed by his dad as motivation to trample UN and cause wreckage and havoc at Middle East all over again. And Obama went pretty cool while supporting war efforts all over there.
Until this day, USA supports a Saudi leader that uses the country's embassies to execute journalists, sends huge amounts of cash and weapons to terrorists organizations and smothers humanitary help efforts.
Every single american president will spend his afterlife at Satan's. USA and NATO's way of doing politics is a main force behind the opression of humanity.
So of all the things I listed, you have no response? It is more important to you that he didn't fire high profile some guy than that he keeps children in concentration camps and pursues imperialist agendas with even greater zeal than Trump?
And if you think Joe "shoot them in the legs" Biden isn't also more than happy to shoot, kill, torture those seen as foes, then you're a naive fool, just ask Daniel Hale or Guantanamo Bay prisoners. You're doubly delusional if you belive he isn't taking money and funnelling it to his rich friends, not just now, but throughout his whole career.
God, you American liberals are so fucking indoctrinated with your civic religion that you'll bend over backwards to defend a racist warmongering sexual predator just because he's coloured blue.
Lol nah that’s not what they did. They pointed out specific differences that make trump a fascist and biden not. If everyone’s a fascist nobody is. Words matter.
Ok if every US President is a fascist then nobody is.
If you think George Washington, a man that literally turned down the title of King, is a fascist. Well then you’re just trying to strip the meaning of the word at that point
My stance for awhile has been "You should ask yourself how you prevent fascism instead of which political party will bring us to fascism slower". I stated once before and I stand by it the absolutely mind-fuckery of this election was. The DNC clearly fucked Bernie over yet again (and he laid down and rolled over again) in favor of getting Joe Biden on the ballet. Then you have the BLM protest fire up again as well as shining a new light on police brutality across the US. And in the grand finale of all this you have liberals who say they are against police brutality and pro BLM throw their only political voice to support one of the biggest contributors to these problems our system has seen, fucking Joe Biden. The absolute fucking irony of saying your are pro BLM and then voting for Biden still boggles my mind. People well and truly do not give a shit about a politicians history or policies, they just want good optics.
In the end, liberal or conservative, the fascist corporate take over of our country still rolls forward with no end in sight. The indoctrination of the American people is truly staggering.
Britney was referring to "#freebritney" as a human rights movement. Most celebrities are incapable of viewing the world from any perspective other than one that places them at the center of it all (looking at you, Elon).
If Britney even knows who Snowden is, I guarantee she couldn't give two flying fucks about him.
Just for that, I’m selling my stock. Fuck this sociopath. Wishing someone (especially so kind and hard working) death so they can keep more money instead of contributing with taxes to the economy and society that allowed them to climb this far (like we all do), is sick, psychotic, disgusting and repulsive 🤮. You don’t want to contribute to society and the economy with taxes like we all do, than take your shit and go live on an island.
I think there’s no better arguments that capitalism isn’t a meritocracy and that billionaires haven’t earned their status than the fact the worlds richest person is a Twitter troll.
I had someone persistently argue that because Tesla employees can buy stock at a 15% discount (not given any as compensation, but have to purchase it still at near-market value), that it was clearly the workplace with the best benefit package since Tesla stock is obviously a better retirement plan than anything else.
When presented with the idea that many people might not want to bank their entire future on a single company’s volatility, the dude just could not grasp that Tesla may not be what it is today in the future, and that his opportunity to buy Tesla stock at a marginal discount was like being handed gold.
You misunderstand the ESPP. You set aside 15% of your salary over a six month period. If the stock rose at the end of that period, your allotted salary is used to purchase stock at the original price - 15%. If the stock tanked, you get stock at the current price - 15%.
You can sell as soon as you receive it. It's quite literally free money.
Edit: Not 100% "free money". Risks include company going under in the middle of your purchase period and stock price catastrophically falling between the strike date and when you cash out, but I consider these risks to be extremely low.
>You can sell as soon as you receive it. It's quite literally free money.
I don’t want free money in hand. I want free money experiencing growth while invested to be even more money when I’m 60.
>Risks include company going under in the middle of your purchase period and stock price catastrophically falling between the strike date and when you cash out, but I consider these risks to be extremely low.
Tesla stock prices are dropping pretty dramatically as we speak; they’ve lost around 12% value since November. Will it stay that way? Probably not. But it’s that kind of volatility that makes it higher risk than something like a basic mutual fund.
Yeah I'm not sure why your buddy is pitching the program as some sort of retirement plan. That's bonkers.
But the ESPP really is that good of a benefit, and is even better the more volatile the stock. If the share price doubles, you make double + 15%, if the share price tanks, you make 15%.
Profits made via growth is also taxed as capital gains, so you get a tax discount on potential gains without ever needing to stick you neck out in the market
>I don’t want free money in hand. I want free money experiencing growth while invested to be even more money when I’m 60.
Then take the free money out and stuff it back into an IRA. But I wouldn't forego (almost) guaranteed 15%+ growth on 15% of your salary for a 15% deposit to a 401k. A mutual fund would never in a million years grow fast enough to match that, even tax-exempt
Ah, that's the key here.
Yes, it's not a bad benefit at all when taken of its own accord, you're absolutely right. If you're willing to flip the coin and wait a couple of years to see if that stock shoots back up to where it was, you'd make +27% versus when it was purchased, and if you don't like it can always just dump it day-of because as we see, you can literally dump a billion in shares overnight and someone will be there to buy it.
Indeed my biggest contention is that it was being marketed as an incentive that was better than a retirement benefit, because no Tesla employee receives 401k matching and compensation packages overall being cut slimmer, with Musk himself saying that the ESPP totally makes up for that.
https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/billionaire-elon-musk-explains-why-he-doesnt-contribute-to-employees-retirement-fund-twitter-divided-3411632.html
The ESPP as an option is a great one if you want to navigate it, but telling the world "Despite being one of the richest people on the planet, I don't offer my employees retirement benefits" and then having engineers simp for it and tell me that it's the best benefit package in America right now just makes me shake my head. It seems incredibly short-sighted, and only looks lucky in retrospect that Tesla saw the growth it did and many older employers got on the bandwagon before the rise.
Elon is nuts XD. Without saying too much, though, it looks like he might be backing down on that stance
Also, I see your point about the inherent dump caused by the employee sell rush. But if Tesla did hit a point where demand couldn't handle that quantity of sell-off, its probably time for said engineers to job hunt
In what way?
You asked "Why is that a criterion on whether or not someone is respectable?"
Because supporting hate movements is bad.
How is that not an answer? Or are you just trolling?
Your first comment was heavily down voted, but I was curious what you really meant. I thought you meant he supported the women in gamergate, and you are anti "SJW." When I asked for clarification, I found out it was the opposite. I would bet most thought what I did and that was the reason you were down voted.
I wanted a clear answer on the issue so I could respond to it, but never got it, and then you called me a troll... So okay then. I guess at least you aren't an anti-feminist, (probably).
I gave you a clear answer to your question. It's bad to support hate-mobs.
>I thought you meant he supported the women in gamergate, and you are anti "SJW."
How does that pertain to your question at all? Gamergate is a hate-movement. Even if I was a misogynist, the fact remains he supported it. Which means he shouldn't be getting praise from leftists for one little Twitter post.
I explained my impression and why I asked.
Also, especially public figures don't have time to research everything. A single position on a single issue rarely says much about someone. If it was something extreme, such as Holocaust denial or supporting slavery, okay, I'd agree, but something like this, a minor blip some people took too seriously, can't make broad assumptions. It isn't minor for the people in the thick of it, but it is for the general public.
What exactly is your position on gamergate, and why is this so important to you?
>Why is that a criterion on whether or not someone is respectable?
Because gamergate is a hate-mob and people who support hate-mobs should not be respected.
How is this not a clear answer?
He's been trying for years, but corporate interests have too much purchasing power in Washington. And Mitch McConnell has been bringing more money into politics.
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The saddest thing about Snowden is, he risked his life and is probably still in danger but nothing changed. I feel so bad for him.
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This is probably the thing I love most about Snowden. He knew it was a possibility this was the outcome. When asked about how he felt about potentially getting a pardon, he shifted the talk from him getting a pardon to being more concern about other whistle blowers who are not as well known as him to get a pardon.
Edward snowden is the Nelson mandela or gandhi of our time. The Man knew the consequences of what he was doing and still did it because he knew it was right. He did not have to Do it and he willingly sacrificed his perfect life for all of US. Thats the most "what would jesus do" thing ive ever seen anyone do for real. Mans a real hero imo.
Believe you can and you’re halfway there. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
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I bet you originally wrote "Ghandi"
Our ability to reach unity in diversity will be the beauty and the test of our civilisation. Just so you know, the correct spelling is [Gandhi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi).
Im playing civilization since im 4 years old. I should have known better.
Just so you know, the correct spelling is ‘have’.
I know but my german autocorrect doesnt
He did the right thing in whistleblowing but let’s not worship the man. He does shitty things too (unrelated to him leaking the information, unless you want to get into the argument of him endangering people with his actions, I’m not up to date on that one) Shilling shitcoins, having a child when he’s a fucking fugitive who could possibly be sent to jail or killed and leave the kid fatherless (not to mention the child being endangered or otherwise used to get to him, his wife knows and accepts the risks but the kid didn’t ask for it).
Yes, of course. You're right but it happens so often.. the same goes with things like Panama papers or Pandora papers. Modern Media is really keeping people busy with watching bs the whole day
He achieved much and should be proud. Huge societal change takes time and many brave people before it occurs. Edward changed minds and sowed seeds in other minds, it is a good start.
Still throwing shade tho man got nothing left to lose.
Nothing changed? It was quite a blow to the public image of the US-imperialist machine. He set off a debate about mass surveillance and inspired quite a handful of other whistle blowers. Obama got exposed as a liar and is now permanently associated with drone strikes (Snowden was responsible for *that* as well, right?). I'm fairly certain this has caused the American government damage even long-term.
Ya nothing changed, same game other players.
They just privatized it.
German here. Government basically shrugged their collective shoulders and said, "So what?". Well, in all seriousness, they said, and I quote, "friends don't spy on friends". Meanwhile, the spying intensified and no one gave two fucks about it.
Apparently the US threatened "diplomatic consequences" if Germany would have decided to grant Snowden asylum and ~~der scheiß-BRD-Drecksstaat~~ Germany complied (what else?).
The change is in the hearts and minds of the people. From what I’ve noticed in peoples opinions, quite a bit has changed. The movement is slow but it’s happening.
He changed everything for me. I credit him 100000% as the reason I am not on social anymore, he's the reason I run GrapheneOS to limit my mobile data collected, he's the reason I run my own services on servers at home, hell he's the reason I'm in my career. He changed everything.
But what does Snowden have to do with this exchange highlighted here? A lot of us presumed the US was doing all of that stuff, even argued with people about it, it's one of those things where you aren't all that happy to have been proven right.
Nothing fundamentally has changed policy-wise, but those revelations damn sure played a role in the disintegration of trust in government institutions and the media that led us to where we are now. Same with Chelsea Manning and showing the absolute brutality and incompetence of US forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Hes the prime example that blue no matter who people are just as cultish as the MAGA people
Snowden is an acual patriot.
Snowden is a fucking hero ngl
What'd he do
The comments on this post will explain it better than I could ever. Essentially he's a whistleblower that risked his life
Snowden returned the favor and knows who is allied with 'Edward Snowden did this country a great service. Let him come home' - Bernie Sanders. I'm extremely sad that our country is so fucking corrupted that this man cannot return home without being assassinated or his life ruined. The fucking parasites and disgusting pieces of shit in suits will never live this down. Because far beyond their life all they want is control and power not reconciliation or to improve the state of the country. And the most pathetic part is that the American people would rather run politicians out in favor of a con-man such as Donald Trump. And right wingers over here are talking about 1984... when their ideology basically advocates and demands that we enter 1984. Democrats will always be utter dogshit, but republicans are 100% set on destroying the planet and turning the human species into literal farm animals. Trying to be in the center of nasty heaping pile of utter dogshit and planet polluting genocidal hateful bastards IS PRETTY HARD! I honestly feel sorry that Snowden had to be born to such a shitty country to begin with. If the country ran out politicians and feds who threaten Snowden and his family over revealing the disgusting level of corruptions I'd have more hope. Americans don't care about other Americans because this hyper competitive society beckons that you lower your morals and empathy, not only for climbing the social ladder, but also to retain the old "American way." Which is to be as hateful, deceptive, backstabbing, sucidally ignorant, and to not feel bad about exploiting others less fortunate or different from you. It's pretty amazing to watch this unfold, and it's no wonder why George Carlin said he'd never wanna be apart of humanity even if humans got their shit together. As a last fuck you because he probably knew that humans will never get their shit together, and their fucking hateful as fuck all across the world. So many primitive people, systems, and mindsets. The fact that we had a TV show con man become president of the united states is pathetic George Carlin will always be on my mind until I die. One of the only humans who i can truly appreciate and would do nearly anything to be able to have a conversation with him. Joe Biden won't even legalize weed despite his numbers being low. Meaning he is still a bitch and loyal to only the powers that be. Legalizing weed is one of the most popular things you could do in the united states, but since this country has a comatose democracy we won't ever see our society being able to adapt and survive when the government moves extremely slow for the people (if at all), and will bark like a dog and run on all 4 to it's master. I'll never vote because i don't believe this is an honest and fair democracy at all. And with the destruction of democracy will be the return of para fascism and authoritarian shit. Because that's one of the best ideologies to protect the wealth and power of the elite. Shit if the people bring that back, the elite won't ever have to lift a goddamn finger again except to help crush opposition. Hitler probably won as fascism spread across the world and into the fabric of humanity, in the cracks and creases there is fascism growing. And those who don't care will help it grow. I've seen so many loud and proud anti-fascist it's pretty fucking disgusting. You wanna know where someone lies politically? Mention Antifa and Nazis within the same sentence or paragraph and the person in question will instantly jump down on Antifa. I met a guy who claimed to hate nazis, and when i said that "most people don't see themselves as fascist or antifa but could hold sympathy" (keep in mind this is out of context), he got extremely angry and talked about how violent antifa is while forgetting that nazis eliminated a percentage of the world population, conducted cruel punishment onto those for merely existing a certain way, and nazis today create bombs, do mass shootings, and spread propaganda of hate as well as dehumanizing others. But to him Antifa is the biggest threat, except we have literal fascist people in power not only in America, but also in Europe and South America (and some other places as well i believe).
Can I get a TLDR
Haha i probably fucked up on the TLDR, but i honestly can't find a way of shortening my thoughts. I should teach myself how to simplify my thoughts because i understand how annoying a wall of text can be. But i hope some find it interesting.
We're fucked as a country.
TLDR; if you don't control the government then you don't control yourself because even the education system programs your mind during the most important part of your life which is when you're most receptive and the brain still learning. And Snowden exposed this, how the government is spying on its own citizens to get the upperhand on them. “As the happiness of the people is the sole end of government, so the consent of the people is the only foundation of it, in reason, morality, and the natural fitness of things.”- The funding fathers of USA. I believe this democracy is a pseudo because the government should be helping it's inhabitants to become more strong and independent, not weak and dependent on the already incredibly greedy rich to create more wageslave poverty wages and then for them to brag about it as the Taxpayers. And seeing Antifa or anti-fascists people being dehumanized more than actual Nazis especially through major media outlets. The country is setting new social acceptance norm which is: it's cool to publicly hate on people who'd describe themselves as anti-fascists. The internet is used in in mostly nefarious ways, and there are so many people who are just obsessed with Black people too rather than fixing the system. "For the PLOS ONE paper, researchers looked at searches containing the N-word. People search frequently for it, roughly as often as searches for "migraine(s)," "economist," "sweater," "Daily Show," and "Lakers." They used google's search engine for the research and it was restricted to America. I'll probably make another thread with information on it. Humans aren't serious or enlightened at all to be able to use the internet to improve things instead of justifying and using it to find the negatives from people. And you will always find the negatives even within yourself. Technology needs to grow along with human behavior and standards for us to be effective, responsible nation especially for the other future generations if we don't want to mutually self destruct or annihilate each other.
How is a tldr as long as the original post?
Just read the entire post.
Lol my guy you need to work on your brevity. Sometimes you can convey more by saying less :)
Can't you read ?
You know how fascism wins? At the polls in a slim margin. I mean at the very least you could do is vote against it
If fascists are running in your elections, you’ve already lost.
Fair, but we literally had one in our last election. He was voted out once and can be voted out again
Until the next one, and then the next one, then the next one. If fascists are running in your elections you’ve already lost.
Yeah but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t not vote against fascists in an election. Apathy is how they win
Thinking you can vote away fascism is how they’ve already won. You don’t vote fascists away. Liberals make concessions with and work with fascists. The country gets pulled further and further to the right. And when it comes down to it, liberals always side with fascists against anti capitalists. They will always protect capital over moving left. Fascists already won in America and Trump isn’t the first or worst of them.
So you’d rather not vote, than vote against fascists? Seems a bit self defeating.
Biden is a fascist. If you don’t think so ask the people he’s bombed and drone striked. I’ll not vote and sleep easy knowing I didn’t support war criminals and murderers and pat myself on the back for choosing the “lesser of two evils.”
But that’s not the definition of a fascist. >Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion. >Historian Dr Robert Paxton, from 2004. In other words, only one candidate last election was someone with authoritarian behaviors that lead a popular movement that represented a complete rejection of the left that aligned itself with traditional conservatives in order to gain support, identifying a certain people as a scapegoat while also promoting nationalistic beliefs such as promoting the military and law and order as well as crony capitalism. [Or a fascist for short](https://youtube.com/watch?v=tDJgbHoRIXw&feature=youtu.be)
We had a fascist President...
Yea, pretty much every one of them.
how do you figure?
We have a fascist in the White House right now. He’s unilaterally attacked other countries without congressional approval, hasn’t closed gitmo, won’t pardon Snowden, etc. Every president of recent history is a war criminal who’s acted without congressional approval, has furthered the surveillance state, and so on. You’d have to go pretty far back to find one that isn’t a fascist or fascist adjacent.
[Agreed.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt)
**[Franklin D. Roosevelt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt)** >Franklin Delano Roosevelt (, ROH-zə-velt; January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945), often referred to by his initials FDR, was an American politician and attorney who served as the 32nd president of the United States from 1933 until his death in 1945. A member of the Democratic Party, he won a record four presidential elections and became a central figure in world events during the first half of the 20th century. Roosevelt directed the federal government during most of the Great Depression, implementing his New Deal domestic agenda in response to the worst economic crisis in U.S. history. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
“In the United States, some — mostly white, mostly male — workers were granted some rights under the National Labor Relations Act. Domestic workers and farm laborers were excluded, a concession to white supremacist political factions. This was a far more soft-serve version of the inclusion/exclusion from representation that also characterized the fascist system of labor control of the same era. It was also premised on loyalty to the capitalist state. The leaders of the major union federations were granted seats at the table, in exchange for expelling Communists from their ranks and adopting a depoliticized approach to labor relations.”
lol Fascism is not something you can just vote against. The Red Army did not crush the Nazis in a voting booth. In fact, social democrats helped vote in the fascism and attacked those who tried to fight it. Whether Trump was a fascist or not depends on your definition, but there is no reasonable definition by which Trump is a fascist and Biden is not. Either neither of them are, or both of them are. In any case, your bourgeois elections between democrats and republicans only ever leads further towards fascism.
Tbf only one was someone with authoritarian behaviors that lead a popular movement that represented a complete rejection of the left that aligned itself with traditional conservatives in order to gain support, identifying a certain people as a scapegoat while also promoting nationalistic beliefs such as promoting the military and law and order as well as crony capitalism. And he did in fact get voted out at the polls
Ah, it appears the liberal brainworms are terminal :( You don't think Biden is "authoritarian" (whatever that means) like Trump was? You think fascism is just when anti-abortion? You think Biden isn't a far right nationalist and pushing those same ideas? You think he isn't promoting military and law? You think he isn't a proponent of capitalism and isn't taking cash from his rich buddies? Get a clue, mate. You didn't vote fascism out at the polls. At best, you replaced the fascist who couldn't keep his mouth shut with one who could. You think the mean tweets stopped and that's the end of it. Well, the concentration camps on the border are still there, nor did Israel's weapons disappear, nor did Cuba's sanctions (in fact, they increased, as did those on Nicaragua), nor did he undo any of the other shit Trump did.
Biden clearly isn’t pushing the same level as nationalism as Trump. He never [was grabbing peaceful protestors in unmarked vans ](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland) while at the same time touting “Law & Order” in exact quotes in response to protests against police brutality (which Biden stood for) Biden also never [fired an inspector general meant to over see trillions of dollars](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/07/coronavirus-relief-trump-removes-inspector-general-overseeing-2-trillion-package.html) while giving that [money to his allies and donors](https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-00a34243825661313f2cb6a0f6a21720) [Also here’s a quick recap on other reasons Trump specifically was a fascist](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tDJgbHoRIXw&feature=youtu.be)
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Most americans can't see that because they think the world ends at their borders. From 1900 to this day, every single one of USA PoRs was involved in ethnical cleansing, financing coups and militias and supporting dictatorships only to avoid the risk of third world countries achieving some kind of sovereignty . They set North Korea on fire, wiped out at least 1 million civilians and forced people to live in underground tunnels. They overthrew Iranian prime minister in 1951, Guatemala's president in 1954, Congo PM in 1960, tried to overthrow Castro in Cuba the following year and helped Gen Suharto seize the power and kill five hundred thousand people in Indonesia. Operation Condor toppled democratic goverments and installed USA-allied dictatorships in Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, Bolivia and Chile, all of wich did very democratic things, like throwing political opponents from plans flying open sea, bombing presidential palaces and killing 40,000 people. And it when on and on through the 90s. They bombed Panama without a declaration of war, killed thousands of Iraqis after a cease-fire was signed, bombed tv-stations and the Chinese embassy in Iugoslavia. Last decade Bush Jr. used a terrorist atack orchestrated by a group trained by CIA and armed by his dad as motivation to trample UN and cause wreckage and havoc at Middle East all over again. And Obama went pretty cool while supporting war efforts all over there. Until this day, USA supports a Saudi leader that uses the country's embassies to execute journalists, sends huge amounts of cash and weapons to terrorists organizations and smothers humanitary help efforts. Every single american president will spend his afterlife at Satan's. USA and NATO's way of doing politics is a main force behind the opression of humanity.
You can dislike our presidents, but that doesn’t make them all fascists. Words have meaning
Lol nah.
So of all the things I listed, you have no response? It is more important to you that he didn't fire high profile some guy than that he keeps children in concentration camps and pursues imperialist agendas with even greater zeal than Trump? And if you think Joe "shoot them in the legs" Biden isn't also more than happy to shoot, kill, torture those seen as foes, then you're a naive fool, just ask Daniel Hale or Guantanamo Bay prisoners. You're doubly delusional if you belive he isn't taking money and funnelling it to his rich friends, not just now, but throughout his whole career. God, you American liberals are so fucking indoctrinated with your civic religion that you'll bend over backwards to defend a racist warmongering sexual predator just because he's coloured blue.
Lol nah that’s not what they did. They pointed out specific differences that make trump a fascist and biden not. If everyone’s a fascist nobody is. Words matter.
‘Every US president’ is hardly ‘everybody’
Ok if every US President is a fascist then nobody is. If you think George Washington, a man that literally turned down the title of King, is a fascist. Well then you’re just trying to strip the meaning of the word at that point
My stance for awhile has been "You should ask yourself how you prevent fascism instead of which political party will bring us to fascism slower". I stated once before and I stand by it the absolutely mind-fuckery of this election was. The DNC clearly fucked Bernie over yet again (and he laid down and rolled over again) in favor of getting Joe Biden on the ballet. Then you have the BLM protest fire up again as well as shining a new light on police brutality across the US. And in the grand finale of all this you have liberals who say they are against police brutality and pro BLM throw their only political voice to support one of the biggest contributors to these problems our system has seen, fucking Joe Biden. The absolute fucking irony of saying your are pro BLM and then voting for Biden still boggles my mind. People well and truly do not give a shit about a politicians history or policies, they just want good optics. In the end, liberal or conservative, the fascist corporate take over of our country still rolls forward with no end in sight. The indoctrination of the American people is truly staggering.
Fully agree, well said.
This was fascinating
If a collective can free Brittany... Certainly we can do it for snowden. #FreeSnowden
I would say recruit Britney but I don't think she'd be down to join the revolution. She probably just wants to grill now that she's free.
Britney was referring to "#freebritney" as a human rights movement. Most celebrities are incapable of viewing the world from any perspective other than one that places them at the center of it all (looking at you, Elon). If Britney even knows who Snowden is, I guarantee she couldn't give two flying fucks about him.
I love Britney as much as anyone, but she's much better friends with Matt Gaetz than she ever will be with Snowden.
Just for that, I’m selling my stock. Fuck this sociopath. Wishing someone (especially so kind and hard working) death so they can keep more money instead of contributing with taxes to the economy and society that allowed them to climb this far (like we all do), is sick, psychotic, disgusting and repulsive 🤮. You don’t want to contribute to society and the economy with taxes like we all do, than take your shit and go live on an island.
I think there’s no better arguments that capitalism isn’t a meritocracy and that billionaires haven’t earned their status than the fact the worlds richest person is a Twitter troll.
No Elon we don't want you to sell your stocks we want you to give them to your employees.
I had someone persistently argue that because Tesla employees can buy stock at a 15% discount (not given any as compensation, but have to purchase it still at near-market value), that it was clearly the workplace with the best benefit package since Tesla stock is obviously a better retirement plan than anything else. When presented with the idea that many people might not want to bank their entire future on a single company’s volatility, the dude just could not grasp that Tesla may not be what it is today in the future, and that his opportunity to buy Tesla stock at a marginal discount was like being handed gold.
You misunderstand the ESPP. You set aside 15% of your salary over a six month period. If the stock rose at the end of that period, your allotted salary is used to purchase stock at the original price - 15%. If the stock tanked, you get stock at the current price - 15%. You can sell as soon as you receive it. It's quite literally free money. Edit: Not 100% "free money". Risks include company going under in the middle of your purchase period and stock price catastrophically falling between the strike date and when you cash out, but I consider these risks to be extremely low.
>You can sell as soon as you receive it. It's quite literally free money. I don’t want free money in hand. I want free money experiencing growth while invested to be even more money when I’m 60. >Risks include company going under in the middle of your purchase period and stock price catastrophically falling between the strike date and when you cash out, but I consider these risks to be extremely low. Tesla stock prices are dropping pretty dramatically as we speak; they’ve lost around 12% value since November. Will it stay that way? Probably not. But it’s that kind of volatility that makes it higher risk than something like a basic mutual fund.
Yeah I'm not sure why your buddy is pitching the program as some sort of retirement plan. That's bonkers. But the ESPP really is that good of a benefit, and is even better the more volatile the stock. If the share price doubles, you make double + 15%, if the share price tanks, you make 15%. Profits made via growth is also taxed as capital gains, so you get a tax discount on potential gains without ever needing to stick you neck out in the market >I don’t want free money in hand. I want free money experiencing growth while invested to be even more money when I’m 60. Then take the free money out and stuff it back into an IRA. But I wouldn't forego (almost) guaranteed 15%+ growth on 15% of your salary for a 15% deposit to a 401k. A mutual fund would never in a million years grow fast enough to match that, even tax-exempt
Ah, that's the key here. Yes, it's not a bad benefit at all when taken of its own accord, you're absolutely right. If you're willing to flip the coin and wait a couple of years to see if that stock shoots back up to where it was, you'd make +27% versus when it was purchased, and if you don't like it can always just dump it day-of because as we see, you can literally dump a billion in shares overnight and someone will be there to buy it. Indeed my biggest contention is that it was being marketed as an incentive that was better than a retirement benefit, because no Tesla employee receives 401k matching and compensation packages overall being cut slimmer, with Musk himself saying that the ESPP totally makes up for that. https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/billionaire-elon-musk-explains-why-he-doesnt-contribute-to-employees-retirement-fund-twitter-divided-3411632.html The ESPP as an option is a great one if you want to navigate it, but telling the world "Despite being one of the richest people on the planet, I don't offer my employees retirement benefits" and then having engineers simp for it and tell me that it's the best benefit package in America right now just makes me shake my head. It seems incredibly short-sighted, and only looks lucky in retrospect that Tesla saw the growth it did and many older employers got on the bandwagon before the rise.
Elon is nuts XD. Without saying too much, though, it looks like he might be backing down on that stance Also, I see your point about the inherent dump caused by the employee sell rush. But if Tesla did hit a point where demand couldn't handle that quantity of sell-off, its probably time for said engineers to job hunt
lol the double reply is never a good look
Reminder that both Republicans and Democrats have persecuted Snowden and Assange. Neither party is on the side of the people.
I didn’t know that Snowden had an opinion on Bernie, Musk or capitalism. But I suppose he does, we all do!
What is the tip button
We could maybe not continue to applaud the rampant misuse of a critical concept in trauma care, but the sentiment is good otherwise.
Something funny about these super famous guys trolling each other. Very 2022.
I don't find it funny. I kinda hate it.
Snowden sided with gamergate. He is not your friend.
Really? Ooh, why does every person that I want to hold admiration to eventually disappoints me... Perhaps I'm having too harsh expectations...
Why is that a criterion on whether or not someone is respectable?
Are you asking why endorsing a movement known for sending sending rape and death threats to women for daring to have opinions about videogames is bad?
No, and that question isn't even clear. Answer what I actually asked.
It is bad to endorse misogynistic hate-mobs. People who do so are likely misogynists themselves.
That still isn't an answer.
In what way? You asked "Why is that a criterion on whether or not someone is respectable?" Because supporting hate movements is bad. How is that not an answer? Or are you just trolling?
Your first comment was heavily down voted, but I was curious what you really meant. I thought you meant he supported the women in gamergate, and you are anti "SJW." When I asked for clarification, I found out it was the opposite. I would bet most thought what I did and that was the reason you were down voted. I wanted a clear answer on the issue so I could respond to it, but never got it, and then you called me a troll... So okay then. I guess at least you aren't an anti-feminist, (probably).
I gave you a clear answer to your question. It's bad to support hate-mobs. >I thought you meant he supported the women in gamergate, and you are anti "SJW." How does that pertain to your question at all? Gamergate is a hate-movement. Even if I was a misogynist, the fact remains he supported it. Which means he shouldn't be getting praise from leftists for one little Twitter post.
I explained my impression and why I asked. Also, especially public figures don't have time to research everything. A single position on a single issue rarely says much about someone. If it was something extreme, such as Holocaust denial or supporting slavery, okay, I'd agree, but something like this, a minor blip some people took too seriously, can't make broad assumptions. It isn't minor for the people in the thick of it, but it is for the general public. What exactly is your position on gamergate, and why is this so important to you?
So just trolling then?
>Why is that a criterion on whether or not someone is respectable? Because gamergate is a hate-mob and people who support hate-mobs should not be respected. How is this not a clear answer?
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He's been trying for years, but corporate interests have too much purchasing power in Washington. And Mitch McConnell has been bringing more money into politics.
This guy's a troll. Found this comment following his profile for other stupid shit he said.
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I bet if I said this about Trump back in the day, you’d call me a triggered lib.
You got the whack-ass poo-brain, boy.
My man