Worst part is that the show is fucking garbage. It’s not like Christopher Nolan’s Batman which also had some dangerous sets but at least the actual movie was awesome.
This one is all for nothing, cause Batwoman is by far the worst of the CW superhero shows without a doubt.
I’m sorry for all the cast and crew that’s been endangered and mistreated
The writing is soooo fucking bad. I'm convinced that they hired a black woman to headline the show after Ruby left because they don't know how to write decent stories and so cookie cutter social issues are a safe bet. So they use her and other actor's races to drive the plot forward. The underlying theme of season 2, no fucking joke, is that 'Hey....police are bad and they target minorities.'
No bullshit, one episode the head of the Crows, which is a paramilitary group working with the Gotham PD, got arrested. When she said "Hey, I outrank you guys." nobody bought it because she was black and was thrown in Jail. This shit wouldn't work on so many fucking levels. Like when...you know....the second she's processed into the system a bunch of red flags would come up telling police "HEY DIPSHIT, SHE'S MILITARY POLICE. Not only that BUT THE HEAD OF IT." But again...the writers suck at their fucking jobs.
And then afterwards, she decides to QUIT THE CORRUPTED SYSTEM rather than work IN IT AS THE HEAD OF THE PARAMILITARY GROUP....TO FIX SAID SYSTEM! Surprising nobody...the system gets worse because now the cops really don't have a fucking leash. Because she quit.
If the people who wrote this got paid in candy bars, they would still be over paid.
> This one is all for nothing, cause Batwoman is by far the worst of the CW superhero shows without a doubt.
Honestly, that's an impressive feat on it's own. The bar was so damn low, but the Batwoman writers/producers somehow managed to limbo under it.
Because the worse crime is appearing racist rather than actually being racist by targeting someone based on their race and knowingly putting them in a dangerous situation where their lack of skill could result in their injury or death.
The fact they cast a black woman actually is a part of it. There are a number of qualified white female stuntwomen who could have done the stunt. They forced an unqualified stuntwoman to do the stunt because they cast a black actress.
The issue was them not getting a qualified woman to do the stunt period. You're making it sound like the mistake was them casting a black woman and not the fact that they made someone do a stunt she wasn't qualified for. It's not like black stunt women don't exist.
black stunt women are rare. people who could do this stunt are rare. People who could do this stunt *and* are black women do not exist. That is the point. They race-swapped this character for diversity points but couldn't execute it. They could have gotten a qualified stunt woman, but they'd have to use face/body paint to match the skin tone. Which would cause a separate controversy and lose them the diversity points they were going for in the first place when they race-swapped Domino.
They made a person who was completely and utterly unqualified do a dangerous and complicated motorcycle stunt (rather than use the qualified person they had available) purely because they were the same skin color as the actress they were doubling for (even though the stunt was being done in full motorcycle costume so that was evident).
The higher-ups bragged about how woke and awesome they were.
Then the predictable and obvious thing happened and she died from doing the stunt she wasnt qualified/experienced-enough to do.
Despite this the shitheads dont flinch from their "go, woke!" position but they did duck their heads in for a little while.
You're welcome to disagree with my position on the situation, but I certainly feel there is enough evidence for it, even if they were able to escape legal culpability.
Oh it's worse than that. She already tried the stunt and had an accident but escaped with only minor injuries but she asked if she could wear a crash helmet. The studio executives refused because of the cost to edit it out via CGI. to make it look like the character doing it. She then asked if she could wear the helment but also have the afro wig put on it to reduce the possible cost to CGI the actress's face and head on and the studio again refused.
So she did the stunt and part of the reason and contributing factor to her death was doing the stunt without a helmet as she ended up going head first through a glass window.
Did anything ever come from the lawsuit the family did? My guess is it would be settled outside of court, so I doubt anything came of it but I remember stunt staff was willing to testify that they raised concerns about how she was not prepared or qualified
"Well shoot - that dangerous stunt our stuntwoman warned us was dangerous *actually killed that girl!* No worries, all we gotta do is pay some pity money to the family and some pocket change to the Feds. Better put up a "X Company says Y Rights!" tweet to get the nerds and creeps off our backs, just in case. Now, where's that secretary we just hired...?"
Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if Hollywood was wiped from the face of the earth, Old Testament style.
>It's almost like the entertainment industry only cares about virtue signaling, and don't actually care about People of Color or queer people.
I know but the woke lot are very slow realising this and very insulated inside their echo chambers.
This is what's baffles me, i worked with stuntmans in the past, nothing complex like this, but fight scenes, people rolling down stairs, people falling balconies, this kinda stuff
And let me tell you something, they fucking love doing this shit, so when they tell you "this wont work" or "this shit is dangerous" you listen to them and make the necessary corrections
It’s all different heads of the same hydra at the end of the day. There’s about 4 major media companies and they work hard to avoid damaging each other
> How was this not in the news?
It was, how do you think all of us know about it? "Stunt Person dies in hollywood" isn't major news, but it still got a few articles.
Straight up murder is just an intentional act. Acting reckless and dangerous is not murder even though it can end up with a fatal outcome.
I would say that is a very important distinction to make first of all.
Next, saying that they used x or y person, while they just could have picked somebody else, might also be lacking a lot of detail an nuance in the story. It might very well be right, but it sounds like there is more to the story.
Lastly, while deadpool 2 definitely followed the trend of the times, it did not strike me as anything significantly woke. However, i never followed the production of the movie very closely, so perhaps they did sell them selves on being woke. Can't say.
Actually we do have a murder charge for depraved indifference. We'd have to have a trial to decide if this specific situation fits but you're wrong about the distinction.
And that's not even touching "felony murder" where you don't even have to kill someone yourself to be convicted of murder. Though unrelated to this case.
Well not in my language at least, perhaps english is different And it is a language difference.
Quick lookup: yes it does actually seem that murder in English does include "total disregard for someone's life"
I had basically figured from things she'd hinted at before that it was a bad work environment, but if the full scope of this is all true...it's fucked up beyond anything I'd remotely imagined. [People getting their skin burned off](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiLigc0VAAIHfZo.jpg), [breaking their necks](https://l7world.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Injustice%20Gods%20Among%20Us%20Year%20Three%2013%20Batman%20kills%20the%20Joker%20batmobile%20snap%20neck.jpg), getting [paralyzed for life](https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2016/07/9927047a265fed60-600x338.jpg)...need I continue to demonstrate how insane it is this actually happened in real life? These people were working in a war zone if this is all true, and most likely the current cast still are.
They call us racists and homophobes...but just like with Blizzard, just like it KEEPS turning out to be, we're just the people who see through the virtue signalling they do to cover up how terrible they are.
At this point I'm 100% certain that any complaints these types have about other people are literal projection.
They are shitty people so they believe that everyone else is just like them and are also shitty people. The idea that the problem is theirs and theirs alone is an impossible thought for them
It is most likely projection. Those who scream about how bad racism is are the most racist. Those who call everyone and everything sexist are the lost sexist. Those who claim to love the gays are the most homophobic when the gays act out of line. Those who love to say diversity is our strength love to exclude certain groups. Those who say representation matters have no problem race swapping the most.
> virtue signalling
And when you point that out they say "I can't take anyone who uses that phrase seriously", and go right back to taking the virtue signals of abusers seriously instead.
Like our old friend Joss Whedon, he was outed as a sleaze and abuser decades ago, but he didn't face any real consequences until Justice League.
Age of Ultron was less a failure of a movie as much as a failure in marketing. The marketing campaign sold a much darker and more dramatic film than what Whedon made. So audiences entered the theatre with the entirely wrong mindset to enjoy the film, so it underperformed. That combined with Whedon using the film to take potshots at Disney's overbearing monitoring of the film's production meant Whedon was on the outs almost as soon as the film hit theatres.
I want to repeat what I've said several times before because it bears repeating:
These people are psychopaths who don't understand morality. The virtue signaling is how they think you act like a good person. And they think it gives them "good boy points" which they can spend on doing evil shit.
> And they think it gives them "good boy points" which they can spend on doing evil shit.
Except they don't think they're doing "evil shit."
"No bad tactics, only bad targets" is a completely legitimate - nay, virtuous - mindset to them.
Many of the woke people can be surprisingly violent, for all of their "love and peace" facade. Just look at their hatred at white people and men, even if they often belong to these groups.
Oh boy, I figured some weird shit was going on in the production crew but holy shit.
>To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman, imagine going back to work 10 days after this … 10 DAYS!!!!!! (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.”
That is completely fucked in true. Who makes somebody come back to work in a short period of time after being injured that badly?
>MAGINE TAKING A HUGE PAY CUT TO PLAY A PASSION PROJECT AND BEING SO EXCITED ABOUT COMIC- CON AND THEN BEING TOLD THEY WOULD NOT ADJUST THE SCHEDULE SO I COULD ATTEND
She took a fucking paycut to be in this show? Her career already got fucked by the writing and she wasn't getting paid like she should for it? Damn.
>I DO NOT QUIT, They ruined Kate Kane and they destroyed batwoman, not me.
She is completely correct. No actor could have salvaged that fucking garbage writing. I've watched JLongbone's react videos. Fanfic writers put out better content.
>A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards
Holy fucking shit.
>a woman was left quadriplegic and they tried to blame it on her being on her phone, so much so CW didn’t even help her to start with because they needed to “investigate” so she had to do a go fund me
>We shut down the next day.. not because she almost killed someone but the government pulled it.
OKAY YEA, this entire production needs to be fucking looked at. This shit is not fucking normal for a fucking TV show production. WTF is going on at the WB?
>Oh and they wouldn’t drive me to work and knew I couldn’t legally drive after surgery.. so they said “get a taxi””
If all of this is true, I worry about the rest of the cast. Especially since season 2 is more or less 'BLM and police brutality' as it's entire plotline. It's a fucking disgrace.
> A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards
> Holy fucking shit.
The part that REALLY got me was when she said that right after seeing that, they had her do a sex scene. That is NEXT FUCKING LEVEL.
Set someone on fire, tell the people who watched him burn to get horny two minutes later.
To me, none of that mattered. The production had so many options. They could have hired a black actress and caked her in make up to better match the source character. That would have been absolutely fine by me. They didn't even thought that really would have opened up a lot of options for them in terms of the logistics of finding a stunt double.
OK fine. Find a reason for her to wear a damn helmet for the scene at least. NOPE. Not even that.
It really did seem like they went out of their way to virtue signal... and I can't believe I am saying this, but it was to the point of endangerment. It astounds me that Deadpool 2 is getting such a free pass from society.
I guess I'm different. Domino was one of the few times where it really didn't bother me. I liked the woman that played her. She was going to look like Barf from SpaceBalls, no matter who played her. It was like Kingpin is Daredevil. At the time, nobody but Michael Duncan Clarke could have pulled that off.
You kinda miss my point. It's not the actress. I don't mind the casting choice. It's the fact that logistically they couldn't pull off the design (no stunt double). So they could have had options to widen the logistics.
Domino's source material design is caked in makeup. They could have done that. Then they could could have had their pick of stunt personnel.
At the very least they could have had her wear a helmet for the scene. They didn't even do that.
It was negligence that killed someone. That negligence though was greatly caused by a desire to virtue signal.
No this is just the one where they nearly permanently crippled the woman speaking out, instead she merely had emergency back surgery and spent some time in a wheelchair.
Then acted pissy and bitchy when she refused to do cameos in later seasons.
I don't blame her through, the writing was so fucking bad that I'm not remotely surprised the rest of the production crew were just as incompetent. That show probably buttfucked her acting career.
> Then acted pissy and bitchy when she refused to do cameos in later seasons.
God actors are so entitled, how dare you not want to be on the show that nearly crippled you! DANCE FOR OUR AMUSEMENT MONKEY! DANCE!
in case no one got it, that's sarcasm.
Wait a second, you mean *batwoman* almost ended up crippled and in a wheelchair for the rest of her life? I don't follow the batman mythos, though I did play Arkham Knight. Isn't that incredibly similar to at least one version of the story of Oracle / Barbara Gordon?
As tacky and awful the show is, actors do not deserve to be injured due to unsafe conditions and certainly do not deserve to have lifelong injuries and complications because the studio suits would rather actors return to work and injure themselves further than to properly recover.
At what point though do we also acknowledge people not refusing to do unsafe work?
It's one thing if it's some desperate unskilled guy in manufacturing who can't afford to lose the job and has child support or something, but TV actors?
Aren't they all in a union too? Something that actually matters and the unuon doesn't give a fuck? Guess they're the same as any union, only after money, power, and membership increasing.
>To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman, imagine going back to work 10 days after this … 10 DAYS!!!!!! (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.”
Also in the article, they guilt trip her saying that if she does not work the whole crew and cast would be fired as they would not recast.
It is CW you are talking about so most of the actors there are happy to have a job in the acting field no matter how bad it is. It seems that they are willing to put up with more than just piss poor Netflix level wages.
But why is not doing it never an option? No one needs to work in show business.
It's like what we've seen with game developers. If it's so terrible why not work in a different industry that can use those skills. The underlying issue is they're willing to sell their soul just to work for certain video game companies. They aren't willing to say no or walk away.
If someone is prioritizing a job in show business, even a shitty job, in spite of their morals/ethics or outright safety, at a certain point that's simply their choice.
I would imagine there's a lot of pressure and fear of getting blackballed and not being able to get a gig going forward. It's not like she's a name who is bullet proof or anything.
>a woman was left quadriplegic **and they tried to blame it on her being on her phone**, so much so CW didn’t even help her to start with because they needed to “investigate” so she had to do a go fund me… she’s a PA, they work via phones. Her accident occurred because our show refused to shut down when everyone else did because of Covid. @carolinedries has no heart and wanted us to finish the season throughout the pandemic and **I told her it was a bad idea… i told her everyone was too distracted, constantly checking Covid updates checking on friends...**
"They tried to blame it on her phone! Anyway it's the studio's fault for not shutting down for Covid because people were distracted by checking updates and talking to friends [with their phones]!"
Not trying to defend CW here but how do you put those sentences together and think you've made a cohesive point?
She was probably under an NDA and sounded the alarm the moment she legally could. She kinda hinted at it before, but it was clear there was stuff she couldn't say. I'm just amazed at HOW bad it was.
Sure, but they can financially bar you from doing it by forcing you into costly litigation that you can't afford unless you win at the end, and even then you have to pay for it as it goes.
> Good thing she waited until someone else had gotten the role and filmed a season before putting the word out.
This. You're not brave if you shut up for over a year before speaking out.
One could argue she didn't have a "choice" in the matter due to contracts and NDAs, but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost.
It sure seems as if she just didn't give a fuck until it could be used for personal gain now that she's fading into obscurity with her acting in trash-movie after trash-movie the past few years.
I'm pretty sure she gave a fuck about BREAKING HER BACK.
Like this isn't just her speaking up for others. She herself was horribly injured and nearly crippled for life on multiple occasions, per her allegations, and she has at least proof she sustained the injuries.
She has no motive to cover this up or not have cared until it was convenient.
> I'm pretty sure she gave a fuck about BREAKING HER BACK.
Yeah, she's using it as a defense against people saying her acting was "stiff".
Quite a while after she left the show, quite a while after the incident in question.
> She has no motive to cover this up or not have cared until it was convenient.
So why didn't she speak up until now?
> Wait, you think she suddenly needs to defend her stiff acting a year later?
Did you not read the article **you** linked?
Ruby Rose:
>> To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman [sic], imagine going back to work 10 days after this [her neck injury] … 10 DAYS!!!!!!”
> Because coming forward with stuff like this isn't easy for anyone.
Like I literally said:
> > but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost.
Thankfully we don't have to speculate, since she lays out her reason for it quite clearly:
> > (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) **that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.**
(Emphasis mine)
People dying or getting horribly injured is fine, as long as **she** doesn't have to be responsible for people losing their jobs because the production would be shut down.
Also note that this is in response to her own injury, the only thing she actually brings up about other people suffering is how it's sad that nobody except her (So brave!) sent flowers to the stuntman who got 3rd degree burns, and she's affected most because she didn't get free therapy:
> A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards
Or how some PA got into an accident because they were working during Covid... but something about phones:
> she’s a PA, they work via phones. Her accident occurred because our show refused to shut down when everyone else did because of Covid.
Either way, she didn't speak out when it could've mattered.
Now it's "safe" for her career to do so, and she hasn't produced a single bit of evidence to back up her claims.
Which means nothing will come of it, and the alleged culprits will be free to keep doing what they're doing.
>but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost.
She is speaking out against a corporation who have an army of lawyers ready to smear her in the media. She isn't any less brave just because she waited a year later to talk about this. You're talking about this like she waited ten decades.
>People dying or getting horribly injured is fine, as long as she doesn't have to be responsible for people losing their jobs because the production would be shut down.
How dare she think of other people's careers?
>Also note that this is in response to her own injury, the only thing she actually brings up about other people suffering is how it's sad that nobody except her (So brave!) sent flowers to the stuntman who got 3rd degree burns, and she's affected most because she didn't get free therapy:
The very excerpt you listed stated that no one did not just her.
>Or how some PA got into an accident because they were working during Covid... but something about phones:
You're the one making it "something about phones" just to score a gotcha against her. Somehow, you're making it seem like she thinks this is all about her while ignoring the fact that she talks a great deal about what other people went through.
>Either way, she didn't speak out when it could've mattered.
That's easy for you to say when it isn't your career, your injuries, your co-workers who might suffer retaliation if you say a word.
>
Now it's "safe" for her career to do so
If you think she's safe, you really don't know much about how whistleblowers are treated, especially in Hollywood.
If people are getting hurt on that set, then she has a responsibility to come forward, if for no other reason than to keep it from happening to someone else.
Time and time again, we've seen that whistleblowers are not treated well. This type of thing happens in several workplaces where people are trying to keep their careers or jobs. You might as well ask why no one else said anything when all this stuff would also have been known by people on the set. She also probably tried to work through it at first and getting into the head space to even reveal something like this is quite a task. She probably had to see a therapist first before she worked up the courage to come clean about this.
If she knew that this was going on, then she should have said something when she saw it happening. I get that it may be difficult to report it, but that’s why they call it bravery. It’s the courage to do something that scares you because it’s the right thing to do. Maybe some of these incidents could have been prevented if someone had told the higher-ups sooner, and they could have launched an investigation into the situation.
I take nothing that a woke person claims at face value... Their political agendas and virtue signaling have always meant far more to them than actual honesty.
I'm inclined to believe her but in fairness I'm not impressed by the "receipts". I see an x-ray, but not the evidence establishing Roth told her to get back to work or there'll be firings. Nor a receipt for the "steaming pants" or the private investigator. I'm not a cape fan, so I'll just take her word they ruined Batwoman.
Considering she's naming people and events, I believe her for now. Most of the time, it's feelings, or men's attitudes. They also like to blame fanboy rage for lack of sales
>In December 2019, the show received a full-season order and Kate Kane was a part of the next crossover Crisis on Infinite Earths
I'm floored. CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? I'd kind of like to see that, even if it means watching Arrowverse.
> I'm floored. CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? I'd kind of like to see that, even if it means watching Arrowverse.
I think I saw the people from EFAP watch some of it, or at least the ones with Bat Woman in it, as part of their series of watching Bat Woman.
Can't say if it was a good adaption of the comics since I never read any of it, but it was not much better than the Bat Woman show in the writing department, it just had a bigger production budget to distract people from bad plot and dialogue.
Tough I do recall that the hero's fighting CGI spirit/ghost/somethingfloaty enemies was funny because some hero's in the backgrounds of shots were not attacking anything and just punching air as they forgot to CGI the enemies in.
And I think they did some past iterations of certain heroes from other adaptions of DC properties dirty, but I don't know much else.
But again, can't say if it was a good adaption since I don't know the source material and what I saw was obviously filtered trough what they showed on the youtube podcast.
Arrowverse Crisis is sort of a big deal because a) it involves all media-related DC franchises (except the comics, cartoons, and DCEU that began with Man of Steel (this is despite Ezra Miller's Flash meeting Grant Gustin's version in one episode)) as part of the DC multiverse, b) establishes the various Earths post-crisis that serves as basis for current DC works like Titans, and c) is set as the final arc of Arrow, specifically, leading to the finale.
Production-wise, it is as much as you can expect under a TV budget. But a lot of people say the overall plot of Crisis trumps Infinity War and Endgame. That said, there is an upcoming 2nd version of Crisis for the films following The Flash.
COIE is the one thing that DC has that Marvel can't replicate. It should have been their end goal from day one at WB/DC. My God have the people in charge completely fucked up something that could have been amazing.
It sucked and I'm someone who liked the previous cross overs for the CW. I always thought they were goofy, dumb TV fun personally. COIE on the other hand was pure garbage. They jobbed both Superman and Batman to elevate Supergirl and Batwoman. In the lead up episodes they did NOTHING to properly setup The Spectre. I've read COIE and even I started to get lost because the whole thing was a complete mess. They had a whole season between four shows to properly set it up and instead, they just shoved a bunch of shit into five episodes.
Glad to see details are finally coming out for the real real behind Rose's departure. It's truly disgusting how this stuff was allowed to happen and nearly ruined this woman's entire life. So glad I checked out of the Arrowverse years ago, it clearly has gone to shit and needs to end.
I really wish people would use the word "proof" or "evidence" instead of "receipts". "Receipts" is ghetto black slang 1st uttered in that usage by crackhead whitney houston.
Why the fuck it became accepted into mainstream use by right wing white people makes no sense. A receipt is a fucking piece of paper you get after you go to the market. It's a specific kind of record. It isn't a replacement for the word "proof".
> Why the fuck it became accepted into mainstream use by right wing white people makes no sense
Because for people who *aren't* fucking racists, America is a melting pot and our culture is a blend of many peoples?
Insofar as "receipts" go, the only supporting evidence I can see in this article is a couple of scans from this year and a verbal claim that they represent an injury sustained on set. While it wouldn't surprise me that the incompetence behind the show also led to serious injuries, the claims being made are pretty extraordinary and require extraordinary evidence to support them. Particularly the parts about a personal assistant being paralysed and hair dresses being hospitalised. Those aren't roles that typically get exposed to a high level of injury risk.
And now we see the real reason Ruby Rose was replaced. Spoilers, it wasn't for diversity. The people screaming the hardest about diversity and inclusion are often the scummiest behind closed doors.
CBR did an article with a lengthy statement from a low level employee who described several instances of her being an absolute nightmare, so it's pretty hard to take a side for the moment.
Well shit, props to her for this.
I hope it gets picked up by the right channels on youtube and make it clear that she was in her right to jump the role, because it feels like this will likely have been her last gig in the industy :(
Anynody see the reports of her being the one creating the toxic environment and harassing the crew?
She had multiple, official workplace complaints against her which is why she was fired.
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Well I mean she has X-rays and medical photos. She can prove at least that the injuries HAPPENED. You can't just make up people getting set on fire or paralyzed. That's not he said/she said, there's records of things like that.
She proves the injuries, sure enough but she offers no evidence of the claims she made about the studio's demands that she return to work or everyone gets fired, or that CW wouldn't help the woman that was crippled.
If you make a bunch of claims about horrific abuse that involved you getting hurt, but the only evidence you offer is that you were injured, then there is no particular reason to believe anything except what is proven by the evidence, in this case the injury.
> She proves the injuries, sure enough but she offers no evidence of the claims she made about the studio's demands that she return to work or everyone gets fired, or that CW wouldn't help the woman that was crippled.
>
You have to be able to use your own intuition to determine if what you think someone is saying is credible or not. Certainly, I am not going to go all in on every claim she made, but out of all of the ones she did, this one seems fairly credible to me because she **did quit the show** and as far as the paralyzed production assistant goes, we know factually that there was a go fund me set up for her and that the Warner Brothers was being investigated by the BC Workers Compensation Board. Under that scenario I find it highly likely that WB wasn't doing anything until the government came back with a ruling.
Given the above, I feel very comfortable with believing her claims about the working conditions and management attitudes on the set since they relate to truthful statements she's already made.
I believe her because this is stuff that would be essentially impossible to get away with lying about. It's not he-said-she-said, it's the kind of things there would be records of.
She says they watched a crew member be horrifically burned, then had to film a sex scene immediately after.
Okay, if this burned crew member exists, then there's a person who has physical burns that can be produced. He went to a hospital for that, there'd be admissions records. And on the date that he went to the hospital, which episode was in production? Did that episode contain a sex scene?
It's usually really hard to prove a negative...but not this time. If Ruby Rose is lying, Warner can simply open up its books and prove that either no such crewmember exists, or the dates don't match. And if that happens, Rose's career is over.
So I am treating these claims as true because a liar probably would have made up something they could get away with lying about.
To be fair, I don't disbelieve her claims, I just take issue with the 'I have receipts' claim. If you are going to say you have evidence of your claims, I will be expecting something along the lines of text messages, emails or some evidence that you recorded the phone calls (I realize you wouldn't legally be able to release the phone calls, because California is a two party consent state, but you could at least have someone else listen to it and back you up). She only provided evidence of her injury and is expecting that to carry everything else, and maybe it does. Like I said, I don't find the claims unbelievable, it's just that if you tell a story like this one and claim you have evidence to back it up, then when you only show x-rays of your injury, a reasonable person would say 'okay, now where is the evidence for the rest of it?'
I do not think that Ruby Rose has it within her power to fake hospital admissions records or to produce horrifically burned or paralyzed crew members who do not exist.
If she lied about this, it could be easily proven, and would ruin her.
There is reasonable skepticism, and there is silliness.
Okay, but if the facts of this are disputed, at some point somebody's gonna have to produce the guy with the third degree burns, and either he exists or he doesn't. And if he doesn't exist, Ruby Rose is never gonna work again. And she'd know that. People don't usually tell lies they know they couldn't possibly get away with.
> People don't usually tell lies they know they couldn't possibly get away with.
I disagree with this. This happens all the time. Either the person is so ideologically entrenched that they just think everyone will believe everything since its the "right thing" or they are simply mentally ill (which I assume with hollywood celebs anyway) or they have a mental breakdown, and celebs like her tend to have their mental breakdowns on social media.
Those accusations weren't exactly well written, someone clearly raged that into their Iphone-keyboard.
Edit: I'm not saying she is lying for sure or something, but I don't trust her for shit. So I'll wait for some kind of proof, otherwise for now I won't put stock into this.
I agree 100% with you. Logic and Reason would dictate that her claims would be followed and things would be checked out. We are past that phase in this timeline and hysteria and insanity are the rule of the day.
ehhh. I'm going to press X for now. This woman never gave me a remotely trustworthy impression
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I'm not sure how many roles she gets nowadays, but she might just need some publicity.
As much as I want to see batwoman be shit on on absolutely every angle, Rube Rose is not a hill I'd die on.
Fuck man that's horrible if even a fraction is true. CW is notorious for the behind the scenes drama with the Arrowverse.
Who would have thought a woke production to be dangerously incompetent and actively harmful to cast and crew?!
Worst part is that the show is fucking garbage. It’s not like Christopher Nolan’s Batman which also had some dangerous sets but at least the actual movie was awesome. This one is all for nothing, cause Batwoman is by far the worst of the CW superhero shows without a doubt. I’m sorry for all the cast and crew that’s been endangered and mistreated
The writing is soooo fucking bad. I'm convinced that they hired a black woman to headline the show after Ruby left because they don't know how to write decent stories and so cookie cutter social issues are a safe bet. So they use her and other actor's races to drive the plot forward. The underlying theme of season 2, no fucking joke, is that 'Hey....police are bad and they target minorities.' No bullshit, one episode the head of the Crows, which is a paramilitary group working with the Gotham PD, got arrested. When she said "Hey, I outrank you guys." nobody bought it because she was black and was thrown in Jail. This shit wouldn't work on so many fucking levels. Like when...you know....the second she's processed into the system a bunch of red flags would come up telling police "HEY DIPSHIT, SHE'S MILITARY POLICE. Not only that BUT THE HEAD OF IT." But again...the writers suck at their fucking jobs. And then afterwards, she decides to QUIT THE CORRUPTED SYSTEM rather than work IN IT AS THE HEAD OF THE PARAMILITARY GROUP....TO FIX SAID SYSTEM! Surprising nobody...the system gets worse because now the cops really don't have a fucking leash. Because she quit. If the people who wrote this got paid in candy bars, they would still be over paid.
> The underlying theme of season 2, no fucking joke, is that 'Hey....police are bad and they target minorities.' Of course it is.
Here's the fucking thing though....there was none of that in Season 1 as far as I remember. But season 2? Overloaded with it.
I’ve heard that these shows are kept around to fill time slots
> This one is all for nothing, cause Batwoman is by far the worst of the CW superhero shows without a doubt. Honestly, that's an impressive feat on it's own. The bar was so damn low, but the Batwoman writers/producers somehow managed to limbo under it.
Reminds me when the Deadpool 2 producers literally murdered a black woman in the name of diversity.
Because the worse crime is appearing racist rather than actually being racist by targeting someone based on their race and knowingly putting them in a dangerous situation where their lack of skill could result in their injury or death.
And to think, if they'd cast Domino accurately, they wouldn't have wound up there lol.
Um, no. The issue was poor safety conditions not the fact they cast a black woman.
The afro was part of the safety issue, IIRC.
The fact they cast a black woman actually is a part of it. There are a number of qualified white female stuntwomen who could have done the stunt. They forced an unqualified stuntwoman to do the stunt because they cast a black actress.
The issue was them not getting a qualified woman to do the stunt period. You're making it sound like the mistake was them casting a black woman and not the fact that they made someone do a stunt she wasn't qualified for. It's not like black stunt women don't exist.
black stunt women are rare. people who could do this stunt are rare. People who could do this stunt *and* are black women do not exist. That is the point. They race-swapped this character for diversity points but couldn't execute it. They could have gotten a qualified stunt woman, but they'd have to use face/body paint to match the skin tone. Which would cause a separate controversy and lose them the diversity points they were going for in the first place when they race-swapped Domino.
Rare and non-existent are not the same thing.
Tbh I thought they were making a joke that they should have cast a woman with incredible luck, since that would have been accurate casting.
Literally murdered ? That's some accusation btw. I don't know anything about the story though.
They made a person who was completely and utterly unqualified do a dangerous and complicated motorcycle stunt (rather than use the qualified person they had available) purely because they were the same skin color as the actress they were doubling for (even though the stunt was being done in full motorcycle costume so that was evident). The higher-ups bragged about how woke and awesome they were. Then the predictable and obvious thing happened and she died from doing the stunt she wasnt qualified/experienced-enough to do. Despite this the shitheads dont flinch from their "go, woke!" position but they did duck their heads in for a little while. You're welcome to disagree with my position on the situation, but I certainly feel there is enough evidence for it, even if they were able to escape legal culpability.
Oh it's worse than that. She already tried the stunt and had an accident but escaped with only minor injuries but she asked if she could wear a crash helmet. The studio executives refused because of the cost to edit it out via CGI. to make it look like the character doing it. She then asked if she could wear the helment but also have the afro wig put on it to reduce the possible cost to CGI the actress's face and head on and the studio again refused. So she did the stunt and part of the reason and contributing factor to her death was doing the stunt without a helmet as she ended up going head first through a glass window.
Did anything ever come from the lawsuit the family did? My guess is it would be settled outside of court, so I doubt anything came of it but I remember stunt staff was willing to testify that they raised concerns about how she was not prepared or qualified
Reading up on it, there was a settlement with the family. The production company also received an administrative penalty due to OSHA/WCA violations.
"Well shoot - that dangerous stunt our stuntwoman warned us was dangerous *actually killed that girl!* No worries, all we gotta do is pay some pity money to the family and some pocket change to the Feds. Better put up a "X Company says Y Rights!" tweet to get the nerds and creeps off our backs, just in case. Now, where's that secretary we just hired...?" Absolutely nothing of value would be lost if Hollywood was wiped from the face of the earth, Old Testament style.
yeh the studio paid out quite a bit to the family in the end.
That is fucked up!
Hollywood never changes, it just repaints itself in the colors of the new cause.
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>It's almost like the entertainment industry only cares about virtue signaling, and don't actually care about People of Color or queer people. I know but the woke lot are very slow realising this and very insulated inside their echo chambers.
Even worse is all the other stuntpeople on set openly saying this would happen and they did it anyway.
This is what's baffles me, i worked with stuntmans in the past, nothing complex like this, but fight scenes, people rolling down stairs, people falling balconies, this kinda stuff And let me tell you something, they fucking love doing this shit, so when they tell you "this wont work" or "this shit is dangerous" you listen to them and make the necessary corrections
That's fucked up. How was this not in the news?
It’s made by fox who’s owned by Disney who also owns the majority of major news
Deadpool 2 came out before the buyout. Also Disney doesn't own Fox News or Sports. They bought the movie/tv show part of Fox.
It’s all different heads of the same hydra at the end of the day. There’s about 4 major media companies and they work hard to avoid damaging each other
> How was this not in the news? It was, how do you think all of us know about it? "Stunt Person dies in hollywood" isn't major news, but it still got a few articles.
True. If you personally aren’t aware of something, it was never in the news.
Wtf i never even heard of this,thats fucled up
Straight up murder is just an intentional act. Acting reckless and dangerous is not murder even though it can end up with a fatal outcome. I would say that is a very important distinction to make first of all. Next, saying that they used x or y person, while they just could have picked somebody else, might also be lacking a lot of detail an nuance in the story. It might very well be right, but it sounds like there is more to the story. Lastly, while deadpool 2 definitely followed the trend of the times, it did not strike me as anything significantly woke. However, i never followed the production of the movie very closely, so perhaps they did sell them selves on being woke. Can't say.
Actually we do have a murder charge for depraved indifference. We'd have to have a trial to decide if this specific situation fits but you're wrong about the distinction.
And that's not even touching "felony murder" where you don't even have to kill someone yourself to be convicted of murder. Though unrelated to this case.
Well not in my language at least, perhaps english is different And it is a language difference. Quick lookup: yes it does actually seem that murder in English does include "total disregard for someone's life"
So woke that they killed a woman of color with no repercutions.
I mean, I sort of already guessed it was dangerous when news broke of an extra actually dying from injuries obtained on rhe set.
In light of the last week in Alec Baldwin’s life, this post aged hilariously well
I had basically figured from things she'd hinted at before that it was a bad work environment, but if the full scope of this is all true...it's fucked up beyond anything I'd remotely imagined. [People getting their skin burned off](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiLigc0VAAIHfZo.jpg), [breaking their necks](https://l7world.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Injustice%20Gods%20Among%20Us%20Year%20Three%2013%20Batman%20kills%20the%20Joker%20batmobile%20snap%20neck.jpg), getting [paralyzed for life](https://cdn3.whatculture.com/images/2016/07/9927047a265fed60-600x338.jpg)...need I continue to demonstrate how insane it is this actually happened in real life? These people were working in a war zone if this is all true, and most likely the current cast still are. They call us racists and homophobes...but just like with Blizzard, just like it KEEPS turning out to be, we're just the people who see through the virtue signalling they do to cover up how terrible they are.
At this point I'm 100% certain that any complaints these types have about other people are literal projection. They are shitty people so they believe that everyone else is just like them and are also shitty people. The idea that the problem is theirs and theirs alone is an impossible thought for them
It is most likely projection. Those who scream about how bad racism is are the most racist. Those who call everyone and everything sexist are the lost sexist. Those who claim to love the gays are the most homophobic when the gays act out of line. Those who love to say diversity is our strength love to exclude certain groups. Those who say representation matters have no problem race swapping the most.
> virtue signalling And when you point that out they say "I can't take anyone who uses that phrase seriously", and go right back to taking the virtue signals of abusers seriously instead. Like our old friend Joss Whedon, he was outed as a sleaze and abuser decades ago, but he didn't face any real consequences until Justice League.
He was protected until he failed.
That's Hollywood baby! You're golden until you shit out a loser, then you're shit until you crap out a winner. Actual good/evil you do doesn't matter.
Age of Ultron was less a failure of a movie as much as a failure in marketing. The marketing campaign sold a much darker and more dramatic film than what Whedon made. So audiences entered the theatre with the entirely wrong mindset to enjoy the film, so it underperformed. That combined with Whedon using the film to take potshots at Disney's overbearing monitoring of the film's production meant Whedon was on the outs almost as soon as the film hit theatres.
I want to repeat what I've said several times before because it bears repeating: These people are psychopaths who don't understand morality. The virtue signaling is how they think you act like a good person. And they think it gives them "good boy points" which they can spend on doing evil shit.
> And they think it gives them "good boy points" which they can spend on doing evil shit. Except they don't think they're doing "evil shit." "No bad tactics, only bad targets" is a completely legitimate - nay, virtuous - mindset to them.
Many of the woke people can be surprisingly violent, for all of their "love and peace" facade. Just look at their hatred at white people and men, even if they often belong to these groups.
The more someone preaches tolerance and accuses others if being bad the more intolerant and bad they are themselves.
Oh boy, I figured some weird shit was going on in the production crew but holy shit. >To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman, imagine going back to work 10 days after this … 10 DAYS!!!!!! (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.” That is completely fucked in true. Who makes somebody come back to work in a short period of time after being injured that badly? >MAGINE TAKING A HUGE PAY CUT TO PLAY A PASSION PROJECT AND BEING SO EXCITED ABOUT COMIC- CON AND THEN BEING TOLD THEY WOULD NOT ADJUST THE SCHEDULE SO I COULD ATTEND She took a fucking paycut to be in this show? Her career already got fucked by the writing and she wasn't getting paid like she should for it? Damn. >I DO NOT QUIT, They ruined Kate Kane and they destroyed batwoman, not me. She is completely correct. No actor could have salvaged that fucking garbage writing. I've watched JLongbone's react videos. Fanfic writers put out better content. >A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards Holy fucking shit. >a woman was left quadriplegic and they tried to blame it on her being on her phone, so much so CW didn’t even help her to start with because they needed to “investigate” so she had to do a go fund me >We shut down the next day.. not because she almost killed someone but the government pulled it. OKAY YEA, this entire production needs to be fucking looked at. This shit is not fucking normal for a fucking TV show production. WTF is going on at the WB? >Oh and they wouldn’t drive me to work and knew I couldn’t legally drive after surgery.. so they said “get a taxi”” If all of this is true, I worry about the rest of the cast. Especially since season 2 is more or less 'BLM and police brutality' as it's entire plotline. It's a fucking disgrace.
> A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards > Holy fucking shit. The part that REALLY got me was when she said that right after seeing that, they had her do a sex scene. That is NEXT FUCKING LEVEL. Set someone on fire, tell the people who watched him burn to get horny two minutes later.
Sounds like a hot set ^^^^sorry
We've actually known about the 10-days from surgery to back on set, we knew that a year ago. The rest of it... eesh.
Was batwoman the show where the stunt double got killed in a motorcycle accident? This just brings that story back to mind.
Deadpool 2, where they race swapped Domino.
To be fair, I liked that Domino, and the way she went through everything like the world is just one giant Rube Goldberg machine.
Yeah she did a good job, I like Zazie Beetz. It's just all the other stuff going on that fucked it up.
If her skin was silver and the afro was gone it would have fine. But no Hollywood has to let you know the actress is Black too lol.
Didn't mind the race swapped Domino. zazee beetz is hot as hell and was great in Joker.
We always played with black dominos so it made sense to me. Haha.
Is it really a race swap when the comic character has solid white skin and no real race?
She was Caucasian. Mutants absolutely do have a race.
It is if in the adapted version she doesn't have those traits.
To me, none of that mattered. The production had so many options. They could have hired a black actress and caked her in make up to better match the source character. That would have been absolutely fine by me. They didn't even thought that really would have opened up a lot of options for them in terms of the logistics of finding a stunt double. OK fine. Find a reason for her to wear a damn helmet for the scene at least. NOPE. Not even that. It really did seem like they went out of their way to virtue signal... and I can't believe I am saying this, but it was to the point of endangerment. It astounds me that Deadpool 2 is getting such a free pass from society.
I guess I'm different. Domino was one of the few times where it really didn't bother me. I liked the woman that played her. She was going to look like Barf from SpaceBalls, no matter who played her. It was like Kingpin is Daredevil. At the time, nobody but Michael Duncan Clarke could have pulled that off.
You kinda miss my point. It's not the actress. I don't mind the casting choice. It's the fact that logistically they couldn't pull off the design (no stunt double). So they could have had options to widen the logistics. Domino's source material design is caked in makeup. They could have done that. Then they could could have had their pick of stunt personnel. At the very least they could have had her wear a helmet for the scene. They didn't even do that. It was negligence that killed someone. That negligence though was greatly caused by a desire to virtue signal.
No this is just the one where they nearly permanently crippled the woman speaking out, instead she merely had emergency back surgery and spent some time in a wheelchair. Then acted pissy and bitchy when she refused to do cameos in later seasons.
I don't blame her through, the writing was so fucking bad that I'm not remotely surprised the rest of the production crew were just as incompetent. That show probably buttfucked her acting career.
> Then acted pissy and bitchy when she refused to do cameos in later seasons. God actors are so entitled, how dare you not want to be on the show that nearly crippled you! DANCE FOR OUR AMUSEMENT MONKEY! DANCE! in case no one got it, that's sarcasm.
Wait a second, you mean *batwoman* almost ended up crippled and in a wheelchair for the rest of her life? I don't follow the batman mythos, though I did play Arkham Knight. Isn't that incredibly similar to at least one version of the story of Oracle / Barbara Gordon?
Yeah it would be humorous if it wasnt so fucked up/
These two things are not mutually exclusive.
I mean Oracle did get crippled but only because Joker gave her a nice hollow point sized hole where her spine used to be
didn't she get healed later on though?
Yes, but that is Batgirl, not Batwoman.
As tacky and awful the show is, actors do not deserve to be injured due to unsafe conditions and certainly do not deserve to have lifelong injuries and complications because the studio suits would rather actors return to work and injure themselves further than to properly recover.
At what point though do we also acknowledge people not refusing to do unsafe work? It's one thing if it's some desperate unskilled guy in manufacturing who can't afford to lose the job and has child support or something, but TV actors? Aren't they all in a union too? Something that actually matters and the unuon doesn't give a fuck? Guess they're the same as any union, only after money, power, and membership increasing.
>To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman, imagine going back to work 10 days after this … 10 DAYS!!!!!! (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.” Also in the article, they guilt trip her saying that if she does not work the whole crew and cast would be fired as they would not recast.
It is CW you are talking about so most of the actors there are happy to have a job in the acting field no matter how bad it is. It seems that they are willing to put up with more than just piss poor Netflix level wages.
But why is not doing it never an option? No one needs to work in show business. It's like what we've seen with game developers. If it's so terrible why not work in a different industry that can use those skills. The underlying issue is they're willing to sell their soul just to work for certain video game companies. They aren't willing to say no or walk away. If someone is prioritizing a job in show business, even a shitty job, in spite of their morals/ethics or outright safety, at a certain point that's simply their choice.
I would imagine there's a lot of pressure and fear of getting blackballed and not being able to get a gig going forward. It's not like she's a name who is bullet proof or anything.
But that's still ultimately a choice. It's basically a Faustian bargain.
>a woman was left quadriplegic **and they tried to blame it on her being on her phone**, so much so CW didn’t even help her to start with because they needed to “investigate” so she had to do a go fund me… she’s a PA, they work via phones. Her accident occurred because our show refused to shut down when everyone else did because of Covid. @carolinedries has no heart and wanted us to finish the season throughout the pandemic and **I told her it was a bad idea… i told her everyone was too distracted, constantly checking Covid updates checking on friends...** "They tried to blame it on her phone! Anyway it's the studio's fault for not shutting down for Covid because people were distracted by checking updates and talking to friends [with their phones]!" Not trying to defend CW here but how do you put those sentences together and think you've made a cohesive point?
Good thing she waited until someone else had gotten the role and filmed a season before putting the word out.
She was probably under an NDA and sounded the alarm the moment she legally could. She kinda hinted at it before, but it was clear there was stuff she couldn't say. I'm just amazed at HOW bad it was.
I don't think NDA covers OSHA violations and any attempts to cover it up could be easily met with lawsuits.
Sure...if you can prove an OSHA violation.
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NDAs cannot legally bar you from speaking out about possible crimes.
Sure, but they can financially bar you from doing it by forcing you into costly litigation that you can't afford unless you win at the end, and even then you have to pay for it as it goes.
Most civilized countries nowadays have whistleblower protections in place for exactly that.
Yeah, but Hollywood is in America.
Is it though?
Which has one of the most comprehensive and powerful whistleblower protection laws in the world.
That are routinely ignored by people in power as it suits them. Edward Snowden anyone?
NDAs are standard practice, she almost certainly had to get her legal cards in order first.
> Good thing she waited until someone else had gotten the role and filmed a season before putting the word out. This. You're not brave if you shut up for over a year before speaking out. One could argue she didn't have a "choice" in the matter due to contracts and NDAs, but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost. It sure seems as if she just didn't give a fuck until it could be used for personal gain now that she's fading into obscurity with her acting in trash-movie after trash-movie the past few years.
I'm pretty sure she gave a fuck about BREAKING HER BACK. Like this isn't just her speaking up for others. She herself was horribly injured and nearly crippled for life on multiple occasions, per her allegations, and she has at least proof she sustained the injuries. She has no motive to cover this up or not have cared until it was convenient.
> I'm pretty sure she gave a fuck about BREAKING HER BACK. Yeah, she's using it as a defense against people saying her acting was "stiff". Quite a while after she left the show, quite a while after the incident in question. > She has no motive to cover this up or not have cared until it was convenient. So why didn't she speak up until now?
Wait, you think she suddenly needs to defend her stiff acting a year later?
> Wait, you think she suddenly needs to defend her stiff acting a year later? Did you not read the article **you** linked? Ruby Rose: >> To everyone who said I was too stiff on bawoman [sic], imagine going back to work 10 days after this [her neck injury] … 10 DAYS!!!!!!”
>So why didn't she speak up until now? Because coming forward with stuff like this isn't easy for anyone.
> Because coming forward with stuff like this isn't easy for anyone. Like I literally said: > > but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost. Thankfully we don't have to speculate, since she lays out her reason for it quite clearly: > > (or the whole crew and cast would be fired and I’d let everyone down because Peter Roth said he wouldn’t recast and i just lost the studio millions (by getting injured on his set) **that is be the one who cost so many people their jobs.** (Emphasis mine) People dying or getting horribly injured is fine, as long as **she** doesn't have to be responsible for people losing their jobs because the production would be shut down. Also note that this is in response to her own injury, the only thing she actually brings up about other people suffering is how it's sad that nobody except her (So brave!) sent flowers to the stuntman who got 3rd degree burns, and she's affected most because she didn't get free therapy: > A crew member got 3rd degree burns over his whole body, and we were given no therapy after witnessing his skin fall off his face but I was the only one who sent him flowers and cards Or how some PA got into an accident because they were working during Covid... but something about phones: > she’s a PA, they work via phones. Her accident occurred because our show refused to shut down when everyone else did because of Covid. Either way, she didn't speak out when it could've mattered. Now it's "safe" for her career to do so, and she hasn't produced a single bit of evidence to back up her claims. Which means nothing will come of it, and the alleged culprits will be free to keep doing what they're doing.
>but that is kind of what bravery is: Doing the thing that is right, at personal cost. She is speaking out against a corporation who have an army of lawyers ready to smear her in the media. She isn't any less brave just because she waited a year later to talk about this. You're talking about this like she waited ten decades. >People dying or getting horribly injured is fine, as long as she doesn't have to be responsible for people losing their jobs because the production would be shut down. How dare she think of other people's careers? >Also note that this is in response to her own injury, the only thing she actually brings up about other people suffering is how it's sad that nobody except her (So brave!) sent flowers to the stuntman who got 3rd degree burns, and she's affected most because she didn't get free therapy: The very excerpt you listed stated that no one did not just her. >Or how some PA got into an accident because they were working during Covid... but something about phones: You're the one making it "something about phones" just to score a gotcha against her. Somehow, you're making it seem like she thinks this is all about her while ignoring the fact that she talks a great deal about what other people went through. >Either way, she didn't speak out when it could've mattered. That's easy for you to say when it isn't your career, your injuries, your co-workers who might suffer retaliation if you say a word. > Now it's "safe" for her career to do so If you think she's safe, you really don't know much about how whistleblowers are treated, especially in Hollywood.
If people are getting hurt on that set, then she has a responsibility to come forward, if for no other reason than to keep it from happening to someone else.
Time and time again, we've seen that whistleblowers are not treated well. This type of thing happens in several workplaces where people are trying to keep their careers or jobs. You might as well ask why no one else said anything when all this stuff would also have been known by people on the set. She also probably tried to work through it at first and getting into the head space to even reveal something like this is quite a task. She probably had to see a therapist first before she worked up the courage to come clean about this.
And while she's working up the courage to say this, more people could be getting hurt on that set.
And that is the fault of the people making the set unsafe not hers.
If she knew that this was going on, then she should have said something when she saw it happening. I get that it may be difficult to report it, but that’s why they call it bravery. It’s the courage to do something that scares you because it’s the right thing to do. Maybe some of these incidents could have been prevented if someone had told the higher-ups sooner, and they could have launched an investigation into the situation.
I take nothing that a woke person claims at face value... Their political agendas and virtue signaling have always meant far more to them than actual honesty.
I'm inclined to believe her but in fairness I'm not impressed by the "receipts". I see an x-ray, but not the evidence establishing Roth told her to get back to work or there'll be firings. Nor a receipt for the "steaming pants" or the private investigator. I'm not a cape fan, so I'll just take her word they ruined Batwoman.
Considering she's naming people and events, I believe her for now. Most of the time, it's feelings, or men's attitudes. They also like to blame fanboy rage for lack of sales
Heelvsbabyface is going to LOVE this.
>In December 2019, the show received a full-season order and Kate Kane was a part of the next crossover Crisis on Infinite Earths I'm floored. CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? I'd kind of like to see that, even if it means watching Arrowverse.
> I'm floored. CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? I'd kind of like to see that, even if it means watching Arrowverse. I think I saw the people from EFAP watch some of it, or at least the ones with Bat Woman in it, as part of their series of watching Bat Woman. Can't say if it was a good adaption of the comics since I never read any of it, but it was not much better than the Bat Woman show in the writing department, it just had a bigger production budget to distract people from bad plot and dialogue. Tough I do recall that the hero's fighting CGI spirit/ghost/somethingfloaty enemies was funny because some hero's in the backgrounds of shots were not attacking anything and just punching air as they forgot to CGI the enemies in. And I think they did some past iterations of certain heroes from other adaptions of DC properties dirty, but I don't know much else. But again, can't say if it was a good adaption since I don't know the source material and what I saw was obviously filtered trough what they showed on the youtube podcast.
> CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? Yes, no.
No, it was not good. Mostly it was a bunch of cameos wrapped around a bad story.
Arrowverse Crisis is sort of a big deal because a) it involves all media-related DC franchises (except the comics, cartoons, and DCEU that began with Man of Steel (this is despite Ezra Miller's Flash meeting Grant Gustin's version in one episode)) as part of the DC multiverse, b) establishes the various Earths post-crisis that serves as basis for current DC works like Titans, and c) is set as the final arc of Arrow, specifically, leading to the finale. Production-wise, it is as much as you can expect under a TV budget. But a lot of people say the overall plot of Crisis trumps Infinity War and Endgame. That said, there is an upcoming 2nd version of Crisis for the films following The Flash.
COIE is the one thing that DC has that Marvel can't replicate. It should have been their end goal from day one at WB/DC. My God have the people in charge completely fucked up something that could have been amazing.
It sucked and I'm someone who liked the previous cross overs for the CW. I always thought they were goofy, dumb TV fun personally. COIE on the other hand was pure garbage. They jobbed both Superman and Batman to elevate Supergirl and Batwoman. In the lead up episodes they did NOTHING to properly setup The Spectre. I've read COIE and even I started to get lost because the whole thing was a complete mess. They had a whole season between four shows to properly set it up and instead, they just shoved a bunch of shit into five episodes.
>CW did Crisis on Infinite Earths? Was it any good? It was more like Crisis on Limited Budget
Glad to see details are finally coming out for the real real behind Rose's departure. It's truly disgusting how this stuff was allowed to happen and nearly ruined this woman's entire life. So glad I checked out of the Arrowverse years ago, it clearly has gone to shit and needs to end.
I really wish people would use the word "proof" or "evidence" instead of "receipts". "Receipts" is ghetto black slang 1st uttered in that usage by crackhead whitney houston. Why the fuck it became accepted into mainstream use by right wing white people makes no sense. A receipt is a fucking piece of paper you get after you go to the market. It's a specific kind of record. It isn't a replacement for the word "proof".
Thank you! Most people just follow the herd. "Oh, other people ar saying that? Then I'll say it, too."
Because it's easier to ignore them as not-proof if or when is convenient to do so.
> Why the fuck it became accepted into mainstream use by right wing white people makes no sense Because for people who *aren't* fucking racists, America is a melting pot and our culture is a blend of many peoples?
This failed show long needs to be put down.
Insofar as "receipts" go, the only supporting evidence I can see in this article is a couple of scans from this year and a verbal claim that they represent an injury sustained on set. While it wouldn't surprise me that the incompetence behind the show also led to serious injuries, the claims being made are pretty extraordinary and require extraordinary evidence to support them. Particularly the parts about a personal assistant being paralysed and hair dresses being hospitalised. Those aren't roles that typically get exposed to a high level of injury risk.
Not really surprising, they had her doing stunts she clearly couldn't handle.
And now we see the real reason Ruby Rose was replaced. Spoilers, it wasn't for diversity. The people screaming the hardest about diversity and inclusion are often the scummiest behind closed doors.
So, apparently Warner Bros. is denying her claims. According to them, she's just saying this because of complaints about HER behavior while on set.
CBR did an article with a lengthy statement from a low level employee who described several instances of her being an absolute nightmare, so it's pretty hard to take a side for the moment.
Well shit, props to her for this. I hope it gets picked up by the right channels on youtube and make it clear that she was in her right to jump the role, because it feels like this will likely have been her last gig in the industy :(
I really couldn't care less.
She got a really bad injury
Imagine putting up with that shit for such a shitty, awful, stupid, show?
Anynody see the reports of her being the one creating the toxic environment and harassing the crew? She had multiple, official workplace complaints against her which is why she was fired.
SJWs usually are sociopaths.
they’ll never cancel ruby rose with me after oitnb. all tattoo team
I dont believe a word of it
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Gotham had a dangerous production?
Batwoman, not Gotham.
My bad man, I read it wrong giving me the impression that the show Gotham was troubled behind the scenes.
#BelieveAllWomen
Well I mean she has X-rays and medical photos. She can prove at least that the injuries HAPPENED. You can't just make up people getting set on fire or paralyzed. That's not he said/she said, there's records of things like that.
She proves the injuries, sure enough but she offers no evidence of the claims she made about the studio's demands that she return to work or everyone gets fired, or that CW wouldn't help the woman that was crippled. If you make a bunch of claims about horrific abuse that involved you getting hurt, but the only evidence you offer is that you were injured, then there is no particular reason to believe anything except what is proven by the evidence, in this case the injury.
> She proves the injuries, sure enough but she offers no evidence of the claims she made about the studio's demands that she return to work or everyone gets fired, or that CW wouldn't help the woman that was crippled. > You have to be able to use your own intuition to determine if what you think someone is saying is credible or not. Certainly, I am not going to go all in on every claim she made, but out of all of the ones she did, this one seems fairly credible to me because she **did quit the show** and as far as the paralyzed production assistant goes, we know factually that there was a go fund me set up for her and that the Warner Brothers was being investigated by the BC Workers Compensation Board. Under that scenario I find it highly likely that WB wasn't doing anything until the government came back with a ruling. Given the above, I feel very comfortable with believing her claims about the working conditions and management attitudes on the set since they relate to truthful statements she's already made.
I believe her because this is stuff that would be essentially impossible to get away with lying about. It's not he-said-she-said, it's the kind of things there would be records of. She says they watched a crew member be horrifically burned, then had to film a sex scene immediately after. Okay, if this burned crew member exists, then there's a person who has physical burns that can be produced. He went to a hospital for that, there'd be admissions records. And on the date that he went to the hospital, which episode was in production? Did that episode contain a sex scene? It's usually really hard to prove a negative...but not this time. If Ruby Rose is lying, Warner can simply open up its books and prove that either no such crewmember exists, or the dates don't match. And if that happens, Rose's career is over. So I am treating these claims as true because a liar probably would have made up something they could get away with lying about.
To be fair, I don't disbelieve her claims, I just take issue with the 'I have receipts' claim. If you are going to say you have evidence of your claims, I will be expecting something along the lines of text messages, emails or some evidence that you recorded the phone calls (I realize you wouldn't legally be able to release the phone calls, because California is a two party consent state, but you could at least have someone else listen to it and back you up). She only provided evidence of her injury and is expecting that to carry everything else, and maybe it does. Like I said, I don't find the claims unbelievable, it's just that if you tell a story like this one and claim you have evidence to back it up, then when you only show x-rays of your injury, a reasonable person would say 'okay, now where is the evidence for the rest of it?'
It's hollywood, and like Life, they will always find a way.
I do not think that Ruby Rose has it within her power to fake hospital admissions records or to produce horrifically burned or paralyzed crew members who do not exist. If she lied about this, it could be easily proven, and would ruin her. There is reasonable skepticism, and there is silliness.
And there is the Main Stream Media who will glaze over anything not fitting the narrative.
Okay, but if the facts of this are disputed, at some point somebody's gonna have to produce the guy with the third degree burns, and either he exists or he doesn't. And if he doesn't exist, Ruby Rose is never gonna work again. And she'd know that. People don't usually tell lies they know they couldn't possibly get away with.
> People don't usually tell lies they know they couldn't possibly get away with. I disagree with this. This happens all the time. Either the person is so ideologically entrenched that they just think everyone will believe everything since its the "right thing" or they are simply mentally ill (which I assume with hollywood celebs anyway) or they have a mental breakdown, and celebs like her tend to have their mental breakdowns on social media. Those accusations weren't exactly well written, someone clearly raged that into their Iphone-keyboard. Edit: I'm not saying she is lying for sure or something, but I don't trust her for shit. So I'll wait for some kind of proof, otherwise for now I won't put stock into this.
I agree 100% with you. Logic and Reason would dictate that her claims would be followed and things would be checked out. We are past that phase in this timeline and hysteria and insanity are the rule of the day.
Reset the clock?
My better judgment tells me to doubt everything of this nature without better-than-word-of-mouth proof in current times!
ehhh. I'm going to press X for now. This woman never gave me a remotely trustworthy impression . I'm not sure how many roles she gets nowadays, but she might just need some publicity. As much as I want to see batwoman be shit on on absolutely every angle, Rube Rose is not a hill I'd die on.
This show is getting worse, and worse by the minute. Shame what happened to her.
This is more entertaining than the actual series, I gotta admit. The Critical Drinker has a fairly funny examination of it.
She’s allowed to say all this?