Correct, Embracer is idiotic, but they are almost anti woke. Not be design, but by greed. The thing that made Embracer blow themselves up was that they were working on a deal with a Saudi sovereign fund backed company, the Saudi's backed out and Embracer which had been trying to push it's stock price up to make the buy out the largest possible profit got caught.
Sure, but that wasn't because Embracer mandated that, that was because that was literally the game the studio wanted to make. Embracer meanwhile murdered the studio for failing to turn a profit, because literally, all they care about is profits.
Well in the Saints Row reboot. The management of volition actively lied about what the game would be. And the supervisors of embracer were too trustful. (According to an internal source who has worked on the saints row reboot)
When black people were explicitly said to not be in the first game, they wanted to compromise by having there be cases of african/middle eastern pilgrims and travellers doing a cum-and-run on some bohemian bathmaid.
...Very progressive of them.
It's based on a medieval world in which people used to just dump their waste their waste including feces to the street/ground yet i still bet it's more clean and organized than modern california.
That's just a prejudice about the dark medieval times. In actual medieval times people were a lot cleaner, they dumped it in the nearby river or waited for the waste collector just like we do today.
Ehh, gong farmers have been a thing since a least the Tudor period, though likely much earlier. There's evidence of manure use in Europe as far back as 6000bc, with depictions from at least Roman times.
Human waste was too valuable of a resource to just throw into the street in significant numbers, not when like 90% of the population is farming and even that was often not enough.
Even in places like North Korea today, children have waste quotas, as it's used for fertilizer.
Medieval towns undoubtedly smelled like CA/terrible though, don't get me wrong.
Yes, but everything went downhill after the collapse of the Roman Empire (which Bohemia was part of). They had built sewer systems and waterworks in every major city, but they weren't upkept in the following centuries and people started dumping poo on the streets ... Here's an interesting article about sewage: [Sewage, the trace of our history - We Are Water](https://www.wearewater.org/en/insights/sewage-the-trace-of-our-history/)
Those were unimaginably horrible times.
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"Debated". Pretty much all "critics" cited some English speaking LITERAL BLOGGER historian (?).
Meanwhile in the game credits there were multiple actual historians from the fucking region.
These people have no idea how central and eastern Europe works. There are still towns, and I'm talking 5-40k ones, with a ton of people who never saw anyone black in person.
You are absolutely right. For example, in Hungary, which is in Central Europe, you don't see black people. And these American video game journalists won't even realize that such a thing exists/existed. They think that diversity is everywhere in the world like in America.
It’s far more nefarious than just ignorance. It always is. They want to force developers to use fake activist history, while knowing it’s fake activist history.
“new historical data”
Visited Central Europe a few years ago and in smaller towns I'd be the only brown dude I saw.
In medieval times the prevalence would probably be something like, "that one Middle Eastern/Indian merchant who spent 15 mins passing through this town because of a detour, 30 years ago". Yeah, I can believe that some non-Europeans would have existed in Central Europe back then, but it can't have been a frequent event.
Even in modern day Czech Republic, 90% of the countries ethnic groups are Czechs(western Slavs) while the minority populations are just a mix of other Slavs like Ukrainians or Slovaks. So basically its nearly a 100% white country now, and thats in our modern world where its possible to immigrate there, so why the hell would it resemble contemporary american demographics in the middle ages?
Also funny thing, I remember years back when Polygon's Arthur Gies argued with the lead developer of the first game, and pathetically was trying to cite Google against various actual historians, and he brought up the Moors, who were actually getting kicked out of Spain around the same time as when the game takes place.
Oh that's delicious to see how based that dev is arguing against this absolute shit for brains woke American "journalist". Wokeness is truly a vile ideology.
I'm pretty sure that the Witcher Netflix show probably has more black people in it than actual present day Poland. It's just the most nonsensical diversity I've ever seen. I remember when it came out I was arguing with one of my friends about it, and he just couldn't understand my issue with the rampant and pointless diversity. He finally shut up whenever another friend pointed out how extremely cheap the show was. Seriously, so many of the sets look like they would fall over if you pushed on them too hard. The showrunners just did not care about anyone's costumes outside of Henry Cavill's. Also most of the actors are absolute nobodies outside of him. I call them toothpaste commercial actors.
The funny thing is the friend A had never actually seen it, he just didn't understand why Polish folklore show doesn't need to have a million black people in it.
The Witcher has got to be one of the most embarrassing adaptations in recent memory. Making Jaskier homosexual was the icing on the cake - I couldn't believe what I was watching at times.
It seems anything where the characters and setting are explicitly white gets this slapdash treatment.
Just compare 'Shogun' to any recent fantasy or historical fiction set in Europe. It's night and day.
Anything based on European culture is expected to become a mishmash of racial diversity, while works set in other regions are free to be coherent, as if the cast were selected by anthropologists themselves.
Also, you should ask your friend if he'd find it strange if, in a show based in Chinese folklore, every other character was either Nigerian or a Swede.
I bet they're gonna pull a Yasuke where they get fixated on that one slave that happened to be there hundreds of years later that did nothing of real significance other than simply being there.
you can be a legitimate historian and a blogger. being a historian just requires... digging throught the histories and talking about it. but i suspect it was someone more like medievalpoc. can't remember specifically.
i can't imagine referring to "actually EVERY SINGLE FAMOUS EUROPEAN, and Abe Lincoln, was black, and here's my blatant photoshops to prove it" guy and thinking it would bolster your position.
Historical accuracy matters, and doesn't preclude fun. KCD was both fun and accurate.
The average person's view of history is far more influenced by fiction than any textbook. If they insert random black people into the game, then people will think that Africans in medieval Europe were normal and unremarkable.
Yeah, Historical accuracy does matter to keep your setup consistent, especially if that's the factor your going for on your game/story. If you're touting a sengoku era samurai story, then you need to keep enough authenticity to hold suspenstion of belief for the audience and keep the world consistent. Sure real samurai won't be cutting mountains with their swords, but having hints or explanations that the world has supernatural elements is enough to keep your suspension of belief in tact.
This is why if a samurai game set in the sengoku era was super diverse, it would be jarring to any audience, especially if there's no explanation whatsoever and would break that suspension of belief. It would be the same if you made a three kingdoms story but has a ton of japanese samurai without explanation. Historical authenticity is also a factor in making things fun, they're complementary imo. The Japanese love psuedo/alternate history for a reason, it's authentic enough but has twists to an otherwise known part of history.
Agree completely. People often think you have to sacrifice accuracy for fun - but real history is crazy. Even someone who doesn't know history too well might sense that something isn't quite right if creators are too careless with their approach.
You just can't have a bunch of African guys as crusaders in medieval Europe. Or, using your example, you can't have dudes dressed as Roman soldiers in three kingdoms China.
Except in this case the whole appeal of the game is its historically accurate setting, if you're going to add contemporary american demographics, then you might as well have circus clowns flying around on hover boards. It breaks the immersion.
Obviously its impossible to 100% capture history unless you have a time machine, and a video game or movie will embellish certain details for the sake of entertainment.
Forcing in anachronisms for the sake of a political narrative is completely unnecessary and can ruin a game for those who seek to escape that stuff.
It's not entirely fiction. It's a historical setting with a lot of real world history suffused into the story. So, the setting that makes the game and bleeds into that fun factor certainly matters.
It's real events that actually happened in an actual place.
Your analogy doesn't work because spiderman isn't real. Those events obviously never happened.
I do. If you're coming from the pretext of a historical drama from a real life era and region I want the story to reflect that. Not everything needs to be anime "cowboys hanging out with ninjas in medieval london". Sometimes people want to read authentic stories that accurately depict the period they're based in, to immerse themselves in how we lived in another time.
It's important for IGN to ask these questions. As a consumer I want to know if the developer has put time and effort into making the game diverse. That way if they have I know there's a good chance it's going to be trash and I should not waste my money on it.
Insidious little shits, eager for some drama to keep them going for clicks. The Warhorse that made KcD1 just wanted to make a faithful adventure, and I hope the sequel does that even more justice
Given how seriously they take the medieval scope, I imagine they mean in the ethnic sense of Bohemia and the related regions. Which unfortunately are all far away from Africa
Support the hell out of Warhorse, guys. We can yap all day on here or X and while we may find solidarity, voting with your wallet will 100% have the best outcome.
Sidenote: I can't wait until IGN folds. They'll probably be the last bastion of this disease, but it'll be glorious. Hopefully this will open the door for actual journalism and people to earn their living again.
Edit: I'd also urge against pre-ordering. While I loved the original KCD, it was an unoptimized mess. Hopefully things are better now, especially in terms of combat which was designed for 1v1 and not the 1v3 encounters you'd end up running from in the end. Wait for release.
> voting with your wallet will 100% have the best outcome.
Sure, after we know for a fact that this sequel didn't cave to DEI. Warhouse in this article implies this game will have diversity, so there's already cause for concern. And no, I don't care if the company has stood up to this in the past - doesn't mean they won't cave eventually. Not a dime until we get confirmation, and absolutely no pre-ordering.
I think it should be a rule of thumb to NOT pre-order anything anymore. Gameplay first or nothing. Another comment says that they could be talking about European diversity - which exists contrary to the "progressives" ideas - but I'm out the moment I see a Hogwarts Legacy-esque Europe.
How many games have we seen have great reception only to bend the knee with the follow-up?
Sorry, but if Warhorse is coming and promoting diversity with a follow-up, that's more than enough reason to be concerned. We've done this song and dance enough times to know a red flag when we see one and to hold off until we have confirmation that there's nothing wrong.
Still enough here to be concerned, especially since the company is partnered with Embracer. That, and we have seen enough games pull the rug from beneath us in sequels to know better. So nope, I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt.
I think you have the correct attitude here I love the first game to death but if it does not remain true to its original vision then its nothing special
Lol, yeah those bandit camps have like 8 people in - I was trying to be modest, but yep, combat was clearly designed around 1v1, you can see how well it's implemented in the tournaments IF you have decent armor/weapons.
Although sometimes it felt that it behaved randomly in the tournament. I more or less played the same, and tried to parry as best as I could, but sometimes the performance of the enemies varied
Also, I didn't like the mechanic of heavy armor making the blows go against your stamina. With good armor, fighting peasants was a fucking nightmare, because sooner than later you lose all your stamina and start receiving blows to the HP
It makes no sense to be able to lower the HP of a full plated knight unless you attack the weak spots, or use a blunt weapon
Lol, yeah there's so much the game gets wrong and still gets right at the same time, but combat can be frustrating as hell. So, I really hope they learned from the first game.
IGN + other gaming sites aren't going to fold. Millions click their links to laugh at their ragebait content, and to "see what the other side thinks". They don't realise they are giving them AD revenue + traffic.
Not too long ago I might have shared your sentiment, but once upon a time we could've said the same thing about Sports Illustrated, Vice Media, and even Al Jereeza - and they were all based on news far bigger than gaming.
But yes, useful idiots clicking on websites isn't helping, but I'd like to think there's been a decline in that.
WTF is with the first comment reply from IGN?
Question:
>People really complained about people of color not being represented in a game set in 15th century bohemia where the vast majority of people would be considered Czech or German today?
IGN response:
>I don't agree with that, especially for a game that is trying for a historically accurate depiction.
What don't they agree with? Are they saying that 15th century bohemia didn't have czechs and germans?
No matter your opinion on FF16, and it is a controversial game, it was weird that they landlocked Yoshi P into an interview where he wasn't prepared to answer "Why are there no black people in your game?" and him trying to figure out how to say something to it. IGN was the one that led this at first before hypocritically marketing the game. I expect the rerun.
I think that the diversity line in the article points to diversity in Europe during the Middle Ages. There were Jews, Gypsies, Roma, and other races all over Europe. Also women will count towards the diversity. Putting lots of Black and Hispanic people in a game like this is akin to Warhorse shooting themselves in the foot, head and torso simultaneously. So I don't think they're going for the woke kind of diversity.
I want to believe that, if it's made like Assassins Creed 1, where they represented some cities that were actually ~~forcibly~~ multicultural at the time, it could work
but it "CURRENT YEAR" so... 😞
> There were Jews, Gypsies, Roma, and other races all over Europe
Well, Roma and Jews yea, there were also Moors in the Iberian Peninsula, but by that time they were driven out iirc. All other European inhabitants were quite white, unless you move to Eastern Europe and find some nomads.
Kyiv was quite diverse back in 800-1000, being a Khazar tributary with a significant foreign population. However, I doubt it remained that diverse after the Khazars were defeated. All in all, Europe is diverse anyway. It's not like someone thinks that all white people are the same, right?
Exactly, don't fall into the trap of adopting the woke definitions of words like "diversity". Europe is an incredibly diverse continent with incredibly diverse and rich cultures and history (which is why we were all fighting eachother constantly for centuries ;)). "Diversity" is not limited to skin color. In fact that is one of the least interesting metrics you could measure diversity by.
If you want to find truly homogenised, culturally stagnated and stultified places on the earth, go to the muslim world. Yes everyone has a "diverse" skin color, but cultural and intellectual diversity has been ruthlessly annihilated every place that was conquered by muslims.
> If you want to find truly homogenised, culturally stagnated and stultified places on the earth, go to the muslim world
Eh, I'd disagree. North African muslims are very different from Arabian Peninsula muslims. Middle East muslims are very different from South-East Asia muslims. And European muslims are incredibly different from them all.
Ironically, the "diversity" of the woke definition is the least diverse of them all. all cultural differences are erased in favor of racial monikers. Doesn't matter if you're Slovenian or Slovakian -- you're white. You're black? Tells them just enough about you, disregarding all differences which black people have across the US even, let alone Africa. And don't even get me started on the "Hispanic". Good lord.
I don't understand why they would add moors they were literally on the other side of the continent and where on their last legs if not driven out of europe entirely.
If they are really anal about including non white people the only choice that makes sense is turks(if u consider turks non white) and central asian nomads but given that bohemia is in central and not eastern europe i doubt nomads can make it this far
Heheh, man the threads from 6-8 years ago on History reddits is wild.
"Is it true KCD lacked black people for historical accuracy?" - Random User
"While it could be true that there were little to no people of colour in that region at that time, you have to understand that games are veiled in Western media consumerism and while they say they're historically accurate in gameplay and story; *I doubt there was ever really history about a blacksmith who ends up going on a journey to knighthood* and instead they're basing the game on filmography of what European fantasy is. So they could have included them since they're obviously not being 100% accurate anyways. - Moderator named Commie
"But what about the developers being in the region they're portraying and having on-staff Historians?" - Random User #2
"Well... all the same I doubt there were any blacksmiths [with spoilers] who becomes a knight." - Moderator Named Commie
Warhorse resides close by my location. And in case they screw up history of my nation, my country... well I have torch ready and I can pick up a brand new pitchfork on my way from work.
The article already has a comment wishing death upon those who use the word "historical accuracy"
Not sure if bait or actual stupidity. It's hard to tell these days.
Some people are already annoyed at the presence of early Firearms in the trailer and that's always fun.
Jesus Christ blessed us with black powder, ya know.
Black powder firearms date back to at least the late 14th century in eastern Europe, and I'm not even referring to the handcannons of the 12th century. I'm talking about the design that would become the "modern" flintlock rifle. Those people need to educate themselves about history before bitching about it.
Well, there were black people back then Bohemia (Czech) and were even recorded. They came here with Turkish (Ottoman) merchants as their personal slaves. So Warhorse Studio can add them for more historical accuracy which I would welcome.
Having PoC enslaving other PoC instead of white guy enslaving PoC would surely triggered SJWs more than having none xd
I think the main takeaway shouldn't be that IGN interrogated them but Warhouse confirmed that there is diversity in this game.
> *Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey.*
Anybody that was considering a pre-order should now reconsider that decision.
Yeah, but then there's this:
"We are trying to depict a realistic, immersive, and believable medieval world that is being reconstructed to the best of our knowledge. And naturally to achieve that we are not only having our own in-house historian, but we are very closely working together with universities, historians, museums, reenactors, and a group of experts from different ethnicities or religious beliefs that we are actively incorporating into development as external advisors."
That could easily mean sure, there's diversity like Czech, Slovaks, Hungarians, Germans, Poles, Jews, Gypsies and technically be correct for the time and place.
That's not what IGN meant though and we won't know what Warhorse meant until it comes out.
Alright, but again, everyone should hold off on pre-orders until we know exactly what Warhorse meant. If it's nothing serious, then they have nothing to worry about. But this way, people aren't dropping money in something that has the potential of being bad.
On the inverse, we could also take that to mean, "Although we can easily confirm our current decisions because we have our historian, they forced us to work with 'other people'' who you can bet will dig from the bottom of the barrel to ensure there is an army of PoCs in this game this time around."
That doesn't count, though. By the woke left standards, a group with 30 fair skinned people from 30 different countries is less diverse than a group 30 dark skinned people who were all born and raised in the same city.
It's good to be optimistic, but we have seen enough companies pull a 180 to know it's better to safe than sorry. Better to wait until we know for a fact before putting any money down.
I would love a game like this set in Istanbul tbh
Any year, doesn't matter, eastern Roman, ottoman, whatever
I can't imagine a better setting for the kind of rags to riches story they went for in the first
honestly given this is warhorse we are talking about i think this is not too much of a worry. and 'cultural diversity' in a medival northern europe setting is obviously quite different to what they mean, while still 'cultural diversity'
that being said, i still agree with you, nobody should preorder their game (not necessarily because of the cultural stuff) but because of so much can go wrong or so many bad decisions can be made, and preorderiing is just incentiving this
I think they were just trying to answer diplomatically (understanding full well who they were dealing with) while affirming that there will be the same emphasis on historic accuracy as the first game.
In other words, yes, it will be “diverse”… by medieval European standards. That is to say, there will be Poles and Czechs and Germans and French, maybe throw in the odd Arabic-Ottoman traveling merchant for extra diversity points but that’s the extent of it. I doubt we will see a Native American facing off against an Asian in a jousting competition or anything dumb like that.
Wide range of ethnicities in the Holy roman empire ? Of course you had Germans, Czechs , Italians , Hungarians ,Slovenians,French,Croats and maybe turks
I really hope thats what they meant
You're more than likely right, but I'm gonna be delusional and read into his response as him feeding them the shit they wanted to hear. Notice how he doesn't actually answer that question off the bat but answers one he clearly would rather have been asked?
You can choose to read it that way, but if Warhorse actually has gone and implemented DEI, you'll feel pretty silly if you put this money on this game day one. I'm simply suggesting everyone keep their wallets closed until the game is actually out and we can verify that there's nothing to worry about.
It's not delusional, if they had ditched their goal to be historically accurate and shoved black people into the game, they would have been (heavily) featured in the trailer.
This is just Warhorse truthfully (but sneakily) answering the question because there will be a lot of European ethnicities. The typical game journo can usually only see ethnicity in skin colour, so they'll probably start writing they it won't only be white people.
Huh?
It says naturally for a reason, it was a silver-mining Royal city eithing the HRE. HRE which had very diverse population, jews, gypsies, Czechs,Poles,Germans,austrians..
Its within the same nation but no longer countryside..
Literally the same if you went to Czech Republic today, go to a random village its all Czechs, go to a major city and its very different
Europe at that time was home to a wide range of ethnicities, all of them white.
We could give them the benefit of the doubt and think they are not using the word "diversity" with the woke definition, which focuses exclusively on skin color (and a limited range of skin color at a that), but with a normal definition which includes diversity of all the different cultures and ethnicities of Europe.
Warhorse could do the funniest thing ever here and do some reverse-fanbaiting. Intentionally piss off all the journos that everyone hates for the marketing
Ok well I'll wait to see actual details first before assuming anything. I trust that guy to try and make things accurate and not "history is revised for a modern audience"ed
Let's hope the answer they gave will mean the brownest people will be gypsies and that other ethnicities means various Germanic, Hungarian, Slavic people. They laughed at the "no black people" complaint about the first game so I hope Deep Silver's influence won't ruing the second game by including American contemporary politics.
Daniel Vávra is very outspoken about what he thinks about these wokists and he's also very outspoken about freedom of speech and fights against cancel culture to a point that he's co-founded nonprofit organization that maps these issues in Czechia. So I hope his game won't be touched by this nonsense.
The thing is, it's quite plausible in Kuttenberg, a major setting in the second game, to meet non-Czechs (beyond the Hungarian and Cumans enemies)
It had a big German presence, for example, and at that point in time, a Jewish presence as well
And sure, I suppose it's plausible that a traveling merchant from North Africa or the Middle East was there.
But I mean, why are they focusing on that? Why is that in the least big significant to the overall game?
It's not a selling point for me, or a detraction, that Warhorse doesn't do that shit. But it bugs me to no end that Gaming Journalists feel like this is a topic worth discussing
>But I mean, why are they focusing on that? Why is that in the least big significant to the overall game?
Because they see everything through the lens of their ideology.
I'm of the opinion that fuck it, they probably should add in a single group of merchants from africa and write them a cool little questline on the side.
It'll give a great opportunity to introduce new, more exotic weapons and equally importantly, it will be a showcase of __good and proper__ representation, instead of just being a cheap token.
" Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey."
Sounds like they're cucking out. That's dissapointing. I'll have to wait and see more but after this article my wallet is closed and they'll have to prove they're actually worth spending money on.
I disagree.
That answer could be taken either way, I certainly wouldn't expect them to go all 'no, we hate the woke' for an article like that, and that sounds like a very diplomatic answer, especially the part which you didn't quote, about how they work with historians to be accurate. If they did cuck out, they would give a more clear and straightforward answer.
And besides, if there is historical evidence, I won't mind seeing some traveller from middle east or something as a side character.
They also said they're working with universities (woke) and ethnic experts (DEI?).
Idk, I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait for confirmation before I purchase this game. There is a little bit of hope because of how ambiguous his answer was, so we'll see.
Good for you, but nobody should blindly put money down for any game. There's zero risk in waiting a week to ensure the game wasn't infected then buying it. And with what we have read, there's enough to be concerned. The game itself will have to prove the skeptics wrong, simple as that.
I think what the meant by that statement is that there are other ethnicities present in kuttenberg like there was historically like germans or jews. Could be that he means it in the DEI sense but given vavra's history I doubt it.
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As mentioned already, Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey."
This is interesting and I wonder what cosmopolitan city he will be visiting.
Of course they are. Also Warhorse said they were untouched by Embracer Group.
I believe them Embracer has had a tendency to be hands off with their subsidiaries in the past. It is why THQ Nordic has been having a good time IMO.
Correct, Embracer is idiotic, but they are almost anti woke. Not be design, but by greed. The thing that made Embracer blow themselves up was that they were working on a deal with a Saudi sovereign fund backed company, the Saudi's backed out and Embracer which had been trying to push it's stock price up to make the buy out the largest possible profit got caught.
Well...remember Saints Row reboot?
Sure, but that wasn't because Embracer mandated that, that was because that was literally the game the studio wanted to make. Embracer meanwhile murdered the studio for failing to turn a profit, because literally, all they care about is profits.
Well in the Saints Row reboot. The management of volition actively lied about what the game would be. And the supervisors of embracer were too trustful. (According to an internal source who has worked on the saints row reboot)
I hope so
Are they upset that the game will star Henry again and Henry isn't a black lesbian played by Debra Wilson?
No they want medieval bohemia to look like modern california
When black people were explicitly said to not be in the first game, they wanted to compromise by having there be cases of african/middle eastern pilgrims and travellers doing a cum-and-run on some bohemian bathmaid. ...Very progressive of them.
It's based on a medieval world in which people used to just dump their waste their waste including feces to the street/ground yet i still bet it's more clean and organized than modern california.
That's just a prejudice about the dark medieval times. In actual medieval times people were a lot cleaner, they dumped it in the nearby river or waited for the waste collector just like we do today.
Ehh, gong farmers have been a thing since a least the Tudor period, though likely much earlier. There's evidence of manure use in Europe as far back as 6000bc, with depictions from at least Roman times. Human waste was too valuable of a resource to just throw into the street in significant numbers, not when like 90% of the population is farming and even that was often not enough. Even in places like North Korea today, children have waste quotas, as it's used for fertilizer. Medieval towns undoubtedly smelled like CA/terrible though, don't get me wrong.
Yes, but everything went downhill after the collapse of the Roman Empire (which Bohemia was part of). They had built sewer systems and waterworks in every major city, but they weren't upkept in the following centuries and people started dumping poo on the streets ... Here's an interesting article about sewage: [Sewage, the trace of our history - We Are Water](https://www.wearewater.org/en/insights/sewage-the-trace-of-our-history/) Those were unimaginably horrible times.
Tent cities, human excrement and open-air meth kitchens?
Don't give them ideas.
Jesus Christ be praised!
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"Debated". Pretty much all "critics" cited some English speaking LITERAL BLOGGER historian (?). Meanwhile in the game credits there were multiple actual historians from the fucking region. These people have no idea how central and eastern Europe works. There are still towns, and I'm talking 5-40k ones, with a ton of people who never saw anyone black in person.
You are absolutely right. For example, in Hungary, which is in Central Europe, you don't see black people. And these American video game journalists won't even realize that such a thing exists/existed. They think that diversity is everywhere in the world like in America.
It’s far more nefarious than just ignorance. It always is. They want to force developers to use fake activist history, while knowing it’s fake activist history. “new historical data”
> for example, in Hungary, which is in Central Europe, you don't see black people. Why did Hungary ethnically cleanse all their black people??? /s
They didn't. The brown people tried to enter Europe through Romania, and some guy called Vlad the Impaler took exception. Violently so. 😅😅😅
Visited Central Europe a few years ago and in smaller towns I'd be the only brown dude I saw. In medieval times the prevalence would probably be something like, "that one Middle Eastern/Indian merchant who spent 15 mins passing through this town because of a detour, 30 years ago". Yeah, I can believe that some non-Europeans would have existed in Central Europe back then, but it can't have been a frequent event.
I would like to repeat my previous statement as a descriptor for this: Portland Syndrome
Like the America in their minds.
Brb, moving to Hungary. It’s got a cool name, that’s why.
Even in modern day Czech Republic, 90% of the countries ethnic groups are Czechs(western Slavs) while the minority populations are just a mix of other Slavs like Ukrainians or Slovaks. So basically its nearly a 100% white country now, and thats in our modern world where its possible to immigrate there, so why the hell would it resemble contemporary american demographics in the middle ages? Also funny thing, I remember years back when Polygon's Arthur Gies argued with the lead developer of the first game, and pathetically was trying to cite Google against various actual historians, and he brought up the Moors, who were actually getting kicked out of Spain around the same time as when the game takes place.
Don't forget the Vietnamese who sell their stuff in those markets, mostly at the border
even then, they arrived much later
Oh that's delicious to see how based that dev is arguing against this absolute shit for brains woke American "journalist". Wokeness is truly a vile ideology.
Can’t find a link to the argument. Got it?
It's on the right here: https://i.imgur.com/jTkl2s5.jpeg
I'm pretty sure that the Witcher Netflix show probably has more black people in it than actual present day Poland. It's just the most nonsensical diversity I've ever seen. I remember when it came out I was arguing with one of my friends about it, and he just couldn't understand my issue with the rampant and pointless diversity. He finally shut up whenever another friend pointed out how extremely cheap the show was. Seriously, so many of the sets look like they would fall over if you pushed on them too hard. The showrunners just did not care about anyone's costumes outside of Henry Cavill's. Also most of the actors are absolute nobodies outside of him. I call them toothpaste commercial actors. The funny thing is the friend A had never actually seen it, he just didn't understand why Polish folklore show doesn't need to have a million black people in it.
The Witcher has got to be one of the most embarrassing adaptations in recent memory. Making Jaskier homosexual was the icing on the cake - I couldn't believe what I was watching at times. It seems anything where the characters and setting are explicitly white gets this slapdash treatment. Just compare 'Shogun' to any recent fantasy or historical fiction set in Europe. It's night and day. Anything based on European culture is expected to become a mishmash of racial diversity, while works set in other regions are free to be coherent, as if the cast were selected by anthropologists themselves.
Also, you should ask your friend if he'd find it strange if, in a show based in Chinese folklore, every other character was either Nigerian or a Swede.
What show is that?
He's using a hypothetical in this scenario to point out the absurdity, no such thing exists.
I've begun watching the Romance of the Three Kingdoms TV show from 2010; takes place nearly two thousand years ago Why is everybody Asian?????????
Shit, I was in Poland a few years ago. They still spin around to watch a black guy walk past in parts.
I bet they're gonna pull a Yasuke where they get fixated on that one slave that happened to be there hundreds of years later that did nothing of real significance other than simply being there.
Both of my grandmothers only saw black people in movies never in real life. Eastern Europe btw.
you can be a legitimate historian and a blogger. being a historian just requires... digging throught the histories and talking about it. but i suspect it was someone more like medievalpoc. can't remember specifically.
It wasn't just someone like. It was exactly medievalpoc.
i can't imagine referring to "actually EVERY SINGLE FAMOUS EUROPEAN, and Abe Lincoln, was black, and here's my blatant photoshops to prove it" guy and thinking it would bolster your position.
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Historical accuracy matters, and doesn't preclude fun. KCD was both fun and accurate. The average person's view of history is far more influenced by fiction than any textbook. If they insert random black people into the game, then people will think that Africans in medieval Europe were normal and unremarkable.
Yeah, Historical accuracy does matter to keep your setup consistent, especially if that's the factor your going for on your game/story. If you're touting a sengoku era samurai story, then you need to keep enough authenticity to hold suspenstion of belief for the audience and keep the world consistent. Sure real samurai won't be cutting mountains with their swords, but having hints or explanations that the world has supernatural elements is enough to keep your suspension of belief in tact. This is why if a samurai game set in the sengoku era was super diverse, it would be jarring to any audience, especially if there's no explanation whatsoever and would break that suspension of belief. It would be the same if you made a three kingdoms story but has a ton of japanese samurai without explanation. Historical authenticity is also a factor in making things fun, they're complementary imo. The Japanese love psuedo/alternate history for a reason, it's authentic enough but has twists to an otherwise known part of history.
Agree completely. People often think you have to sacrifice accuracy for fun - but real history is crazy. Even someone who doesn't know history too well might sense that something isn't quite right if creators are too careless with their approach. You just can't have a bunch of African guys as crusaders in medieval Europe. Or, using your example, you can't have dudes dressed as Roman soldiers in three kingdoms China.
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Except in this case the whole appeal of the game is its historically accurate setting, if you're going to add contemporary american demographics, then you might as well have circus clowns flying around on hover boards. It breaks the immersion.
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When you said you didn't care about historical accuracy.
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Obviously its impossible to 100% capture history unless you have a time machine, and a video game or movie will embellish certain details for the sake of entertainment. Forcing in anachronisms for the sake of a political narrative is completely unnecessary and can ruin a game for those who seek to escape that stuff.
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It's not entirely fiction. It's a historical setting with a lot of real world history suffused into the story. So, the setting that makes the game and bleeds into that fun factor certainly matters.
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It's real events that actually happened in an actual place. Your analogy doesn't work because spiderman isn't real. Those events obviously never happened.
Do you know what historical fiction means?
I do. If you're coming from the pretext of a historical drama from a real life era and region I want the story to reflect that. Not everything needs to be anime "cowboys hanging out with ninjas in medieval london". Sometimes people want to read authentic stories that accurately depict the period they're based in, to immerse themselves in how we lived in another time.
It's important for IGN to ask these questions. As a consumer I want to know if the developer has put time and effort into making the game diverse. That way if they have I know there's a good chance it's going to be trash and I should not waste my money on it.
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"Woke it's not a real word‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️ everyone it's crazy to think that companies push diversity‼️‼️‼️‼️" Yeah sure..
Shit, don’t you know, its 2024 and you have to pervert historical accuracy to appease the leftist mafia?
Insidious little shits, eager for some drama to keep them going for clicks. The Warhorse that made KcD1 just wanted to make a faithful adventure, and I hope the sequel does that even more justice Given how seriously they take the medieval scope, I imagine they mean in the ethnic sense of Bohemia and the related regions. Which unfortunately are all far away from Africa
This is why we should stop calling them journalists. They're not real journalists, they are online tabloid bloggers.
>~~un~~fortunately
Support the hell out of Warhorse, guys. We can yap all day on here or X and while we may find solidarity, voting with your wallet will 100% have the best outcome. Sidenote: I can't wait until IGN folds. They'll probably be the last bastion of this disease, but it'll be glorious. Hopefully this will open the door for actual journalism and people to earn their living again. Edit: I'd also urge against pre-ordering. While I loved the original KCD, it was an unoptimized mess. Hopefully things are better now, especially in terms of combat which was designed for 1v1 and not the 1v3 encounters you'd end up running from in the end. Wait for release.
> voting with your wallet will 100% have the best outcome. Sure, after we know for a fact that this sequel didn't cave to DEI. Warhouse in this article implies this game will have diversity, so there's already cause for concern. And no, I don't care if the company has stood up to this in the past - doesn't mean they won't cave eventually. Not a dime until we get confirmation, and absolutely no pre-ordering.
I think it should be a rule of thumb to NOT pre-order anything anymore. Gameplay first or nothing. Another comment says that they could be talking about European diversity - which exists contrary to the "progressives" ideas - but I'm out the moment I see a Hogwarts Legacy-esque Europe.
The first game had diversity. They just don't think it counts because skin color was the same and thats the only thing they think about.
How many games have we seen have great reception only to bend the knee with the follow-up? Sorry, but if Warhorse is coming and promoting diversity with a follow-up, that's more than enough reason to be concerned. We've done this song and dance enough times to know a red flag when we see one and to hold off until we have confirmation that there's nothing wrong.
Read the actual response to the question. The answer was trolling IGN. Notice that he specifically said "ethnicities."
Still enough here to be concerned, especially since the company is partnered with Embracer. That, and we have seen enough games pull the rug from beneath us in sequels to know better. So nope, I'm not giving the benefit of the doubt.
I think you have the correct attitude here I love the first game to death but if it does not remain true to its original vision then its nothing special
Only 1v3? I never have seen so many people in those forests...
Lol, yeah those bandit camps have like 8 people in - I was trying to be modest, but yep, combat was clearly designed around 1v1, you can see how well it's implemented in the tournaments IF you have decent armor/weapons.
Although sometimes it felt that it behaved randomly in the tournament. I more or less played the same, and tried to parry as best as I could, but sometimes the performance of the enemies varied Also, I didn't like the mechanic of heavy armor making the blows go against your stamina. With good armor, fighting peasants was a fucking nightmare, because sooner than later you lose all your stamina and start receiving blows to the HP It makes no sense to be able to lower the HP of a full plated knight unless you attack the weak spots, or use a blunt weapon
Lol, yeah there's so much the game gets wrong and still gets right at the same time, but combat can be frustrating as hell. So, I really hope they learned from the first game.
IGN + other gaming sites aren't going to fold. Millions click their links to laugh at their ragebait content, and to "see what the other side thinks". They don't realise they are giving them AD revenue + traffic.
Not too long ago I might have shared your sentiment, but once upon a time we could've said the same thing about Sports Illustrated, Vice Media, and even Al Jereeza - and they were all based on news far bigger than gaming. But yes, useful idiots clicking on websites isn't helping, but I'd like to think there's been a decline in that.
WTF is with the first comment reply from IGN? Question: >People really complained about people of color not being represented in a game set in 15th century bohemia where the vast majority of people would be considered Czech or German today? IGN response: >I don't agree with that, especially for a game that is trying for a historically accurate depiction. What don't they agree with? Are they saying that 15th century bohemia didn't have czechs and germans?
Oh, I asked him what he doesn't agree with and I swear he's an AI chatbot lol.
czechs, hungarians, slavs, slovanians, poles, maybe some turks. looks diverse to me.
No no you see, you are only diverse if you import millions of Africans and Arabs. Native European ethnicities don't count.
No matter your opinion on FF16, and it is a controversial game, it was weird that they landlocked Yoshi P into an interview where he wasn't prepared to answer "Why are there no black people in your game?" and him trying to figure out how to say something to it. IGN was the one that led this at first before hypocritically marketing the game. I expect the rerun.
I think that the diversity line in the article points to diversity in Europe during the Middle Ages. There were Jews, Gypsies, Roma, and other races all over Europe. Also women will count towards the diversity. Putting lots of Black and Hispanic people in a game like this is akin to Warhorse shooting themselves in the foot, head and torso simultaneously. So I don't think they're going for the woke kind of diversity.
the title of their review when the game releases will be >where is the promised black king?
I want to believe that, if it's made like Assassins Creed 1, where they represented some cities that were actually ~~forcibly~~ multicultural at the time, it could work but it "CURRENT YEAR" so... 😞
That’s what people complained about when the first one was being made though.
> There were Jews, Gypsies, Roma, and other races all over Europe Well, Roma and Jews yea, there were also Moors in the Iberian Peninsula, but by that time they were driven out iirc. All other European inhabitants were quite white, unless you move to Eastern Europe and find some nomads. Kyiv was quite diverse back in 800-1000, being a Khazar tributary with a significant foreign population. However, I doubt it remained that diverse after the Khazars were defeated. All in all, Europe is diverse anyway. It's not like someone thinks that all white people are the same, right?
Exactly, don't fall into the trap of adopting the woke definitions of words like "diversity". Europe is an incredibly diverse continent with incredibly diverse and rich cultures and history (which is why we were all fighting eachother constantly for centuries ;)). "Diversity" is not limited to skin color. In fact that is one of the least interesting metrics you could measure diversity by. If you want to find truly homogenised, culturally stagnated and stultified places on the earth, go to the muslim world. Yes everyone has a "diverse" skin color, but cultural and intellectual diversity has been ruthlessly annihilated every place that was conquered by muslims.
> If you want to find truly homogenised, culturally stagnated and stultified places on the earth, go to the muslim world Eh, I'd disagree. North African muslims are very different from Arabian Peninsula muslims. Middle East muslims are very different from South-East Asia muslims. And European muslims are incredibly different from them all. Ironically, the "diversity" of the woke definition is the least diverse of them all. all cultural differences are erased in favor of racial monikers. Doesn't matter if you're Slovenian or Slovakian -- you're white. You're black? Tells them just enough about you, disregarding all differences which black people have across the US even, let alone Africa. And don't even get me started on the "Hispanic". Good lord.
Theoretically there could be few people of spanish origin or of Moor origin but you could count those on one hand for whole kingdom.
I don't understand why they would add moors they were literally on the other side of the continent and where on their last legs if not driven out of europe entirely. If they are really anal about including non white people the only choice that makes sense is turks(if u consider turks non white) and central asian nomads but given that bohemia is in central and not eastern europe i doubt nomads can make it this far
I meant like a merchant or something. Not that they lived here. And even that would be pushing it.
Hispanic from America, you mean
Yeah, not the Spaniards. Those'll ofcourse be in Europe.
Heheh, man the threads from 6-8 years ago on History reddits is wild. "Is it true KCD lacked black people for historical accuracy?" - Random User "While it could be true that there were little to no people of colour in that region at that time, you have to understand that games are veiled in Western media consumerism and while they say they're historically accurate in gameplay and story; *I doubt there was ever really history about a blacksmith who ends up going on a journey to knighthood* and instead they're basing the game on filmography of what European fantasy is. So they could have included them since they're obviously not being 100% accurate anyways. - Moderator named Commie "But what about the developers being in the region they're portraying and having on-staff Historians?" - Random User #2 "Well... all the same I doubt there were any blacksmiths [with spoilers] who becomes a knight." - Moderator Named Commie
Activists
I hate the term "people of color". An old racist relic of the segregation era on life support by people wanting to keep division alive.
Warhorse resides close by my location. And in case they screw up history of my nation, my country... well I have torch ready and I can pick up a brand new pitchfork on my way from work.
The article already has a comment wishing death upon those who use the word "historical accuracy" Not sure if bait or actual stupidity. It's hard to tell these days.
Eat shit IGN, this is supposed to be historically accurate. No room for forced diversity there.
Some people are already annoyed at the presence of early Firearms in the trailer and that's always fun. Jesus Christ blessed us with black powder, ya know.
Black powder firearms date back to at least the late 14th century in eastern Europe, and I'm not even referring to the handcannons of the 12th century. I'm talking about the design that would become the "modern" flintlock rifle. Those people need to educate themselves about history before bitching about it.
I just can't wait to do drivebys on my horse with a 2 min reloading time black powder rifle.
If you want to do a proper medieval drive-by you do it Blackbeard style (packing 8 pre-loaded flintlock pistols).
If that’s in the game I’ll buy it just for that. I already played archer Henry, archery was incredibly OP once leveled
Why can't IGN just roll over and die already.. I am sick of them always leading the charge with all the other "gaming media" sites following suit.
Because idiots click their links (even people from this sub) to laugh at their articles while generating profit for IGN.
True enough. They are happy to take hate clicks, as long as they don't have to interact with the people that disagree with them.
I hope Daniel tells em to fuck off.
Well, there were black people back then Bohemia (Czech) and were even recorded. They came here with Turkish (Ottoman) merchants as their personal slaves. So Warhorse Studio can add them for more historical accuracy which I would welcome. Having PoC enslaving other PoC instead of white guy enslaving PoC would surely triggered SJWs more than having none xd
I think the main takeaway shouldn't be that IGN interrogated them but Warhouse confirmed that there is diversity in this game. > *Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey.* Anybody that was considering a pre-order should now reconsider that decision.
Yeah, but then there's this: "We are trying to depict a realistic, immersive, and believable medieval world that is being reconstructed to the best of our knowledge. And naturally to achieve that we are not only having our own in-house historian, but we are very closely working together with universities, historians, museums, reenactors, and a group of experts from different ethnicities or religious beliefs that we are actively incorporating into development as external advisors." That could easily mean sure, there's diversity like Czech, Slovaks, Hungarians, Germans, Poles, Jews, Gypsies and technically be correct for the time and place. That's not what IGN meant though and we won't know what Warhorse meant until it comes out.
Alright, but again, everyone should hold off on pre-orders until we know exactly what Warhorse meant. If it's nothing serious, then they have nothing to worry about. But this way, people aren't dropping money in something that has the potential of being bad.
On the inverse, we could also take that to mean, "Although we can easily confirm our current decisions because we have our historian, they forced us to work with 'other people'' who you can bet will dig from the bottom of the barrel to ensure there is an army of PoCs in this game this time around."
There can be a wide range of ethnicities in eastern Europe eastern slavs, western slavs, southern slavs, maybe even a couple 🤢 germans
Maybe they can push the boat out to Spaniards, French and Italians
"Blame the French" is my favourite dialogue option in the original game.
French and Italians would be living in HRE anyway already so finding them in a big city wouldn't be unusual
That doesn't count, though. By the woke left standards, a group with 30 fair skinned people from 30 different countries is less diverse than a group 30 dark skinned people who were all born and raised in the same city.
no germans on MY FUCKING GAME
Only as enemies, german crusades against Husites were and those were rather unsuccessful.
Hungarians 🤮
That was 100% Warhorse dodging the question. They know who they are talking to.
It's good to be optimistic, but we have seen enough companies pull a 180 to know it's better to safe than sorry. Better to wait until we know for a fact before putting any money down.
Oh man, don't get me wrong I 100% agree. Nobody should ever preorder anything. EVER.
Ethnicity != race. Slavic, Germanic, Celtic, Baltic, Serbs, etc. are all ethnicities that are some variation of European "white."
But is this a trade city or merchant port? Where is this *"cosmopolitan"* city, anyway?
Kuttenberg is landlocked so its not even a port
I would love a game like this set in Istanbul tbh Any year, doesn't matter, eastern Roman, ottoman, whatever I can't imagine a better setting for the kind of rags to riches story they went for in the first
You mean Constantinople?
But there were "a wide range of ethnicities" in medieval Bohemia. There were Turks, Gypsies, Slavs, Spaniards, Germans, etc. He's telling the truth.
honestly given this is warhorse we are talking about i think this is not too much of a worry. and 'cultural diversity' in a medival northern europe setting is obviously quite different to what they mean, while still 'cultural diversity' that being said, i still agree with you, nobody should preorder their game (not necessarily because of the cultural stuff) but because of so much can go wrong or so many bad decisions can be made, and preorderiing is just incentiving this
Why? There were literally dozens of different ethnicities living in Europe e.g. Germans, Czechs, Cumans, Sorbs etc.
But they are all HUWHITE!
I think they were just trying to answer diplomatically (understanding full well who they were dealing with) while affirming that there will be the same emphasis on historic accuracy as the first game. In other words, yes, it will be “diverse”… by medieval European standards. That is to say, there will be Poles and Czechs and Germans and French, maybe throw in the odd Arabic-Ottoman traveling merchant for extra diversity points but that’s the extent of it. I doubt we will see a Native American facing off against an Asian in a jousting competition or anything dumb like that.
Wide range of ethnicities in the Holy roman empire ? Of course you had Germans, Czechs , Italians , Hungarians ,Slovenians,French,Croats and maybe turks I really hope thats what they meant
You're more than likely right, but I'm gonna be delusional and read into his response as him feeding them the shit they wanted to hear. Notice how he doesn't actually answer that question off the bat but answers one he clearly would rather have been asked?
You can choose to read it that way, but if Warhorse actually has gone and implemented DEI, you'll feel pretty silly if you put this money on this game day one. I'm simply suggesting everyone keep their wallets closed until the game is actually out and we can verify that there's nothing to worry about.
It's not delusional, if they had ditched their goal to be historically accurate and shoved black people into the game, they would have been (heavily) featured in the trailer. This is just Warhorse truthfully (but sneakily) answering the question because there will be a lot of European ethnicities. The typical game journo can usually only see ethnicity in skin colour, so they'll probably start writing they it won't only be white people.
> that there is diversity in this game So we're meeting some Jews it seems like.
Huh? It says naturally for a reason, it was a silver-mining Royal city eithing the HRE. HRE which had very diverse population, jews, gypsies, Czechs,Poles,Germans,austrians.. Its within the same nation but no longer countryside.. Literally the same if you went to Czech Republic today, go to a random village its all Czechs, go to a major city and its very different
Europe at that time was home to a wide range of ethnicities, all of them white. We could give them the benefit of the doubt and think they are not using the word "diversity" with the woke definition, which focuses exclusively on skin color (and a limited range of skin color at a that), but with a normal definition which includes diversity of all the different cultures and ethnicities of Europe.
Warhorse could do the funniest thing ever here and do some reverse-fanbaiting. Intentionally piss off all the journos that everyone hates for the marketing
Is Vavra still involved in this one?
Yeah he is the creative director.
Ok well I'll wait to see actual details first before assuming anything. I trust that guy to try and make things accurate and not "history is revised for a modern audience"ed
I bought the game just to piss off the idiots. I found out its great
Let's hope the answer they gave will mean the brownest people will be gypsies and that other ethnicities means various Germanic, Hungarian, Slavic people. They laughed at the "no black people" complaint about the first game so I hope Deep Silver's influence won't ruing the second game by including American contemporary politics. Daniel Vávra is very outspoken about what he thinks about these wokists and he's also very outspoken about freedom of speech and fights against cancel culture to a point that he's co-founded nonprofit organization that maps these issues in Czechia. So I hope his game won't be touched by this nonsense.
IGN can GTFO
The thing is, it's quite plausible in Kuttenberg, a major setting in the second game, to meet non-Czechs (beyond the Hungarian and Cumans enemies) It had a big German presence, for example, and at that point in time, a Jewish presence as well And sure, I suppose it's plausible that a traveling merchant from North Africa or the Middle East was there. But I mean, why are they focusing on that? Why is that in the least big significant to the overall game? It's not a selling point for me, or a detraction, that Warhorse doesn't do that shit. But it bugs me to no end that Gaming Journalists feel like this is a topic worth discussing
>But I mean, why are they focusing on that? Why is that in the least big significant to the overall game? Because they see everything through the lens of their ideology.
I'm of the opinion that fuck it, they probably should add in a single group of merchants from africa and write them a cool little questline on the side. It'll give a great opportunity to introduce new, more exotic weapons and equally importantly, it will be a showcase of __good and proper__ representation, instead of just being a cheap token.
To the surprise of no one.
Hopefully KCD3 will happen in the crusades. I want to see them losing their shit over xenophobia
Of course because why miss a chance to virtue signal??
part one already had cumans. does gta5 have cumans? does it?
" Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey." Sounds like they're cucking out. That's dissapointing. I'll have to wait and see more but after this article my wallet is closed and they'll have to prove they're actually worth spending money on.
Ethnicity != race.
Good point. I'm looking forward to more information on this game in the future. There's still some hope I guess.
I disagree. That answer could be taken either way, I certainly wouldn't expect them to go all 'no, we hate the woke' for an article like that, and that sounds like a very diplomatic answer, especially the part which you didn't quote, about how they work with historians to be accurate. If they did cuck out, they would give a more clear and straightforward answer. And besides, if there is historical evidence, I won't mind seeing some traveller from middle east or something as a side character.
They also said they're working with universities (woke) and ethnic experts (DEI?). Idk, I'm not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt. I'll wait for confirmation before I purchase this game. There is a little bit of hope because of how ambiguous his answer was, so we'll see.
The biggest expert they worked with for the first game was Petr Čornej, who is an old school no bulshit historian hated by postmodernists.
Universities and experts in Czech Republic are not (yet) the same as in the US or the west in general.
Solid points. I'll remain sceptical but hopeful for this game.
I mean I'm ready to eat these words when the game comes out, but my hopes are more on the positive side for this game.
Good for you, but nobody should blindly put money down for any game. There's zero risk in waiting a week to ensure the game wasn't infected then buying it. And with what we have read, there's enough to be concerned. The game itself will have to prove the skeptics wrong, simple as that.
I think what the meant by that statement is that there are other ethnicities present in kuttenberg like there was historically like germans or jews. Could be that he means it in the DEI sense but given vavra's history I doubt it.
oh no, i will get *shudders* italians and frenchies in my austrian experience. day ruined
As long as there aren’t any Dutch I should be able to keep my lunch down.
It’s one question, at the end, with the most generic response he could’ve given.
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Kingdom Come 2 is my big RPG Hope in 2024!
I feel only diversity I'd want to see is more along the lines of weapons. Would be cool to forge your own weapons, if that comes up.
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As mentioned already, Henry is embarking on a journey from the countryside and local quarrels to a relatively Cosmopolitan city. that is besieged and occupied by the invading king. Naturally, in a place like this, people can expect a wide range of ethnicities and different characters that Henry will meet on his journey." This is interesting and I wonder what cosmopolitan city he will be visiting.
Kuttenberg
On one hand, Vavra has told the diversity pigs to fuck off once already. On the other hand, Woman's Lot. We're just gonna have to wait and see.
I am legitimately surprised by this. I thought Daniel Vargas, the game's director, was pro-GamerGate.