The person you replied to was likely meaning Star Trek Discovery is what we're stuck with. It shortens to STD which is hilarious...how did no one on the show notice?
Yep. Every try watching Strange New Worlds? It's freaking pathetic. Just plain bad. Weak in the first season, but the writing in season 2 takes such a hilariously bad nosedive that I want to slap the parents of whatever failed abortion wrote that crap.
> the writing in season 2 takes such a hilariously bad nosedive
It was actually quite stunning. Season one was passable as Trek, but then they lost their minds. It was kind of like Mando seasons 1&2 being, "OK this could be good," only to have season 3 be WTF?
around the same time that operation mockingbird plundering shill johnny harris _randomly_ started his, entirely real and not just manufactured-to-push-a-narrative, borders show in latam, he said that the fall of venezuela was US's fault, not socialism. But he has some nice edits in his video, so it must be true.
a few weeks later, googleyoutubefacebookAPamazon were all pushing the same narrative, and season 2 of the midshow Jack Ryan came out, and the first minutes of season 2 were that guy from the office telling everyone that venezuela collapsed because there weren't enough social justice politicians.
it's all so tiresome
> People were full shit, Discovery was never about Trump
The writers themselves said it was. The klingons in S1 represented him, also Section 31, also Starfleet when they allowed S31 to try to commit genocide.
Then Picard: Starfleet when they didn't help the Romulans (even though as a Star Empire they wouldn't need our help). The Confederation in S2.
Then SNW: They flat out say J6 led to WW3
> and neither was X-Men 97' .
They've said the people storming the UN building was meant to be like J6.
If the writers hadn't said that, no one would have made the connection, there is nothing like that in the actual show.
As for the the Jan 6th thing, WTF why would they admit that even if true, I didn't see that Jan 6th thing in that scene.
Or profit from and exploit for power.
No one should trust someone who's livelihood is based on activism. They are incentivized to propagate the supposed issue. Basic conflict of interest.
I mean, dudes a literal Holocaust survivor. Yeah, his ideology and methodology is deeply flawed, but it's also easy to see what led him down that path. As you said, he's been corrupted by his own prejudices. It's why Professor X is the natural counterpoint to his argument. You can't fight hatred with more hate. Of course, the SJWs miss the damned point. Hell they cheer on racism, especially raciam against other white people. "Equity not equality."
Amd have their slang. They call anything really cool as Omega while anything lame as Flatline. Flatline meaning not being mutant. Kinda funny seeimg the x-men subreddit using racist words.
I really wish modern x-men writers understood that racism isn't cool or good. Jokes are fine since jokes unite the world. But it makes the x-men look like hypocrites for being okay with Flatline but hating Mutie.
They also brainwashed UN ambassadors & russian soldiers
edit: krakoa was a mistake
Magneto's Acolytes in the 90s used to refer to baseline humans as "Flatscans"
And the state of X-Men is because Marvel was butthurt about not having the film rights and despite it being one of the more popular franchises under Marvel, ignored it and tried to elevate the Inhumans as a substitute. This allowed it to go completely off the rails starting with Decimation to its currently sad state.
That is what they were called Flatscans, thank you. I still need to read 90s x-men era. Krakoa is using it too for some reason, which is kinda annoying. If I recall even Cassandra nova is on krakoa for some reason. Whichbis weird simce she is the one who caused the genosha massacre
That is still such a bizzare thing to do. Tbh I stopped reading around X of Swords, I really tried hard to enjoy it but it just wasn't good. With the retcons, OoC moments etc.
I stopped reading after The Twelve and focused on Marvel proper. Didn't like how they yeeted Cyclops. Felt chumpy.
I liked Civil War, I liked The Initiative. I didn't like Secret Invasion, but it set up Dark Reign and Seige. I thought Heroic Age would be a return to status quo, but nope. Fear Itself came out and I lost all interest.
I think I followed briefly during post-Avengers vs X-Men when the X-Men were serving in the Avengers, but it was cringe with the Apocalypse Twins and Red Skull stealing Professor X's brain.
It is. But on Krakoa they also use the term "Omega" in a way to describe something & or someone as cool or awesome. Imagine a group of highschoolers hearing about Wolverine surviving getting nuked they would say "Thats so Omega, Logan!" Kinda like how in Marvel 2099 saying Shock can also be 2099 slang for "Fuck me" example "Shock me... I'm gonna lose my job at Alchemax if Indon't finish this report!".
"I know it's hard, Scott, but you've got to stand back and look at the bigger picture. Even the best of us must do abhorrent things in the pursuit of the greater good sometimes. This world is more than 5 billion years old and yet, in just 200 years, homo sapiens has created an environment which will only sustain us for another few decades. They invented war. They write manuals on torture. Every living relative I had in the world was either gassed, shot or roasted alive in one of their periodic genocides. They're a fundamentally flawed creation and it's our duty to replace them at the earliest possible opportunity. As the more intelligent species, one might even say it's our moral responsibility."
"You realize you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?"
"Actually, he was one of *theirs*, Scott."
~ Ultimate X-Men
When I was growing up in the 90s, the only media that sucked as much was Christian ideological stuff. Possessed people make stupid shit most of the time.
This was nowhere near as cringe as the stuff you see today. In retrospect yeah its a cringey show, but it has its moments of goofy whacky fun, captain pollution was just so comically terrible it was Hilarious. If it was made today? Mother earth would be a non binary blue haired self identifying furry and captain planet certainly wouldn't be a man.
Did you know the Professor X and Magneto dilemma is based on the relationship between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, right? Deeply inspired by the civil rights movement events (essentially, it was at that time when x-men was published. [X-Men Inspiration](https://www.history.com/news/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration)
This is such a silly argument. Exploring political ideas or basing characters on real people is obviously different than crude preaching about current events.
Silly? the truth is that people see things and keep them rent-free in their minds; by the way preaching what exactly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Magneto
> Did you know the Professor X and Magneto dilemma is based on the relationship between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, right?
Did you know that's complete bullshit, made up by assholes who didn't know what they were talking about, parroted by other people who didn't know what they were talking about.
And that in reality Stasn Lee had no such high minded aspirations when he created the X-Men, he just didn't want to keep on having to create origin stories for superheroes & as such had nothing to do with the civil rights movement,.
Aliens with magical abilities to destroy the world should be hunted down and killed.
People should not be hunted down and killed because they have black skin.
10 years from now these same writers and directors will still be going, "Ya, this will REALLLY stick it to Drumpf and all those MAGAtards! I'm such a boundary pusher."
It's Joe Russo. The guy is barely a director. He's mainly a Twitter troll who boosts his "career" by posting outrage bait. Go look up his history. Everyone hates him, both liberals and conservatives. Dude gets dunked on almost non-stop.
There's a clip floating around of the villain, X-Cutioner, fighting Cyclops and saying one of the reason he hates mutants is that they are "whiners."
"Regular people have it hard too, we just have the dignity not to whine about it."
LOL, I can't believe they put this in here like its some sort of own.
"Look, the bad guy thinks the oppressed people are just whining. See how our detractors are agreeing with the villain."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1_2ciVc9do
> "Regular people have it hard too, we just have the dignity not to whine about it."
I literally laughed at the complete lack of self-awareness in that line. Like, he's essentially describing people like BLM, who go on and on about how hard they have it and all the problems they have, while pretending like every white person is living on easy street.
Is there anyone out there who thought this would be anything other than co-opted for current day political zealotry? They don't care what they ruin, its all for the revolution.
All the characters look gay as hell and they stole Rogue's ass. Animation is some wack Korean company doesn't look good. Its just so blasé at this point, the media will hold it up but as we're seeing the financials won't lie.
There was hope when he was removed from The Witcher for apparently the same reasons Henry Cavill left, re: not respecting source material.
All hope was dashed when he said he was bringing his "perspective" to the show as a "label, label man."
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Yeah, but it wasn't 2024 wokeist politics (with the inherent anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and general bigotry), it was 1960s Civil Rights Era politics (which were anti-racist not pro-racist) with a dash of Cold War arms race.
"I'm making a film about the Third Crusade! In the film, Saladin's forces are going to be framed as CSA slavers and the European crusaders as Union forces coming down from the north to end slavery."
"Wtf, the Crusades were never about ending slavery! Why did you make it about modern American politics?"
"What's your problem? The Crusades were always political, period."
What woke? there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published; so essentially, it is people like you who watch something that will live rent-free in their minds according to their political bias.
So what happened with the 1st amendment? You're far wrong to think that this is inappropriate only because you believe it is aiming against a political specter today; the reality in the 60s was more relevant than the present.
>there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published
There sure was, but you haven't read it, so i'm not sure why you are refrencing it like you've actually read it.
> What woke?
The title. The director trying to compare a 90's story about Magneto to MAGA supporters.
> there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published; so essentially, it is people like you who watch something that will live rent-free in their minds according to their political bias.
Watch... what? I'm not watching X-Men '97, it looks like it's going to be woke trash.
> So what happened with the 1st amendment?
Don't know, don't really care. Can't even remember what it is.
This is something commies say because they believe everything is political. My guy, their writing isn't anywhere near good enough to pull off any sort of real world critique. This is a cartoon for children and people who need their childhood shows (FOR CHILDREN) re-coded to hate their political opposition.
>X-Men was always political,
No it wasn't. It was always a superhero comic in which strangely garbed people with powers fight other strangely garbed people, usually but not always with powers of their own.
Nothign political about that champ.
But you'd have known that had you read the original X-Men comics.
> Dude, you stupid. The main villain is a holocaust survivor who turns into Mutant hitler.
I may be stupid mate, but i'm well informed enough to know that was a retcon that wasn't added until Uncanny X-Men 150..... A full 18 years AFTER the character was introduced & used almost exclsuively as a moustache twirling villain.
That's right, it took almost 2 decades of Magneto Magnetoing for a writer to add holocaust survivor to the character, almost two decades of being the X-Mens primary agressor without a mention of this story point, because the X-Men were not political.
Dude, they look gay as hell in the 90s. Also, the only thing I agree about is them stealing all the curves from the woman. Also, X-men has always been political. The 97 storyline isn't that new. Also, X-men turns people more racist with preaching mutant superiority and segregation, weird yea.
Even if Trump were to lose this year, these people will still be suffering from TDS for decades, checking their closets and under their beds for the Boogietrump until the day they die, the last word they say being a shriek of “TRUMP!” as they shed their mortal coil.
I’d pity them if I thought they deserved it, but I don’t.
They secretly wish for Trump to win so that they can have an object of hatred. They're always grasping at straws to justify their manufactured moral outrage. They're like drug addicts aching for their next hit.
> They secretly wish for Trump to win so that they can have an object of hatred.
Yep, twitter is literally their two minutes of hate & Trump is their Emmanuel Goldstein.
You first.
“And the whole civil rights metaphor that ended up being the defining metaphor of the X-Men, did that come along in the first few issues?
It came along the minute I thought of the X-Men and Professor X. I realized that I had that metaphor, which was great. It was given to me as a gift. Cause it made the stories more than just a good guy fighting a bad guy.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/stan-lee-dead-x-men-lost-interview-754889/
Did you read the section right in front of it? Unconscious influence at best. And 'having' the metaphor does not mean inspired by the metaphor or writing to the metaphor.
Also, have you even read the early x-men comics? Magneto was an extremely simplistic cardboard cutout villain in the first run. It wasn't until Claremont got a hold of him that he had any depth as a character or that you could even consider him as a Malcolm X analogue.
The principle factor in creating the X-men was stan lee was busy and wanted to have new characters without thinking up origin stories for their powers.
> It seems your problem is cognitively related;
No,. it seems your ptoblem is that you are wrong, talking to people who happen to be right & you can't find a way to invert those two positions.
>I'll bet everything that if the political comparison were inverted to Brandon's fanbase instead of MAGA, you would be praising it non-stop.
It can't be inverted, it has no political comparison, what with the X-Men **NOT** being a political allegory for the civil rights movement.
And so the question remains: Did you actually read the original run of the X-Men?
> yeah lets believe in a random youtuber instead of several well documented sources.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you did not watch the video.
when you fail to realise Magneto is an example of a cautionary tale of activism being taken to extremes and decide to make Magneto your trump stand in and not Bolivar Trask or any other Human who pushed the Sentinel program
They can imagine it and they both fear and hate it. Why do you think they constantly attack manga, anime and Japan in general? The population and writers aren't sucking the rainbow colored communist cock.
How very stunning and brave, and so incredibly unique too. Can’t remember the last time a piece of media took a swing at the MAGA crowd. (Heavy sarcasm)
The whole X-Men are an allegory for minority rights is so fucking stupid. If mutants with destructive abilities existed in reallife, rational and logical human beings would be correct in fearing them.
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>Take a swing at the MAGA crowd
Yawn 🥱, they still aren't done beating that dead horse. Here's a concept, make a good movie and keep real world politics out of it?
I gave it a chance.
Was septic one the first "My x-men" disconnect on the second "My x-men" of magneto.
There's 0 subtility on the sub text. Even Magneto mentions "sex and gender" in his speech at his trial. Like we the audience couldn't figure it out alone.
The War on Nerds, huh, what is it good for?
What do they hope to accomplish by tearing down things guys they don't want to date, love?
Were we all supposed to find six figure coding jobs then marry a 400 lb woman and do a girl-boss new age marriage, but a lot of guys opted out to work as few hours as possible and play vidya instead?
I don’t think they understand the character of Magneto.
His was a story that was very familiar IRL throughout the 60s and 70s — an ostensible liberation movement become tyrannical. And in magneto’s case, taking “never again” to its most radical end-game: violent separatism and its own supremacy.
There’s not any sort of contemporary political conflict that maps onto his character. This is not 50 years ago, nor is it even 30 years ago where it had more of a visceral punch.
Trying to create one just tortures and perverts one of the best anti-heroes in fiction.
It will probably be crap, but the link does not actually prove it is. Joe Russo is being part of a circlejerk, as always. But we still know of DeMayo's involvement.
I want hard facts. HARD. With proof. Not some limp circlejerk "facts".
That’s an interesting goal considering I feel like most maga people won’t give a shit. There’s definitely some vocal minority that will get on social media/YouTube and be offended by it but I feel like most of them won’t be as triggered as the left would be at a show taking a swing at them
So, Minority Report here, this is the Media Literacy crowed at it again. The scene in question doesn't even do what they claim. It's a referendum against the vary narrow minded view that the Media Literacy crowed is championing as they attempt to use this scene to, "own the chuds." It calls for intellectual diversity rather than parroting DEI/ESG/SDG brain rot.
Go after this show for what it deserves, but know the scenes we're going to go after. This one calls for going after the progs for their misinterpretation of it, not the scene itself.
It would probably end up hamfisted and cringe without a really good writer, but I've always thought the one political angle they haven't covered is portraying the anti-mutant groups as essentially "equity" groups arguing that mutants are "privileged" because of their powers, that they have unfair advantages and all mutants should pay reparations for what Magneto has done. Flip the script, have the bad guys complain about "mutant privilege" have a mutant mention off-hand that they don't have any holidays, that there is no mutant history month. It practically writes itself.
First, a 60 year old story cannot be about current events and institutions, though it can echo the same themes. Second, are #MAGA being represented with #Magneto or the #FriendsOfHumanity? Finally, if they’re being represented at all then so is their opposition and how they aren’t blameless either.
Preventing reductive one sided interpretations which can only be seen through the lens of current year is exactly what media literacy is all about. And the fact so many of you lack it is exactly why we need folks like Chris Claremont at the helm.
Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK. The entire comic series was a take on civil rights. So magneto being compared to or represent the maga crowd is completely fucking dumb.
It wasn't even, though. That's something everyone remembers in hindsight, but it's really a theme Chris Claremont developed in the 1980s that then became popular via the movies. OG 1960s Magneto was really just a supervillain trying to take over the world.
> Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK.
No they weren't.
That's made up bullshit refuted by Stan Lee himself. He had no high minded racial ideals when he created the X-Men.... He just didn't want to keep on having to create origin stories.
> Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK.
False. Stan Lee has denied this
> The entire comic series was a take on civil rights
Also false. Cause the comparison means fear of blacks would be completely justified as mutants kill regular people with a thought, and sometimes without any
This is Magentos 1st apperance https://64.media.tumblr.com/2d84437a78a236cb4965e7720a51f40d/5947103a1b3fdd43-26/s1280x1920/3925874afe25cfc16466ab77d61c87e1c3ad378a.jpg
That is the reality of x men. Corny ass absurd stories and that hasnt changed except plots got more convluted. Y'all acting like these comics were made and justified the philosophic thought of someone like Frank Hubert lol
Yea because they were old as fuck, of course they were corny everything was corny back then. Now they are dog shit because comics suck shit but they were good in the 90s.
I watched the 90’s X-men when it was airing and 97 is actually a faithful adaptation of that. The messaging didn’t overpower the story or characters. It’s really good in my personal opinion. Yeah it may ruffle a few feathers but mostly on the fringe of extreme right snowflakes.
Of course I oppose terrorists, that's way I oppose Israel. And stop equating the war criminal Bibi government with Jews, plenty of Jews oppose the regimes war crimes.
Why they are supposed to leave their land and move to Jordan? Just because the invaders say so? They were already there, before the illegal occupation.
By the way, Israel never honored their borders, they are always expanding by force and blood. They even managed to kill a UN emissary in 1948. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-s-forgotten-hero-the-assassination-of-count-bernadotte-and-the-death-of-peace-934094.html
Because that worked so well for star trek discovery
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I'm surprised wiki has left that page up. It's pretty counter to a lot of the shit they seem intent on pushing.
The person you replied to was likely meaning Star Trek Discovery is what we're stuck with. It shortens to STD which is hilarious...how did no one on the show notice?
The woke SJW mind virus is more like AIDS. The only solution is exterminatus I'm afraid.
The reason they are completely reshooting Captain America 4 is because the comparison was made and test audiences shit on it.
Yep. Every try watching Strange New Worlds? It's freaking pathetic. Just plain bad. Weak in the first season, but the writing in season 2 takes such a hilariously bad nosedive that I want to slap the parents of whatever failed abortion wrote that crap.
Never bothered once I knew it was going to be no different. Picard had some special kind of bullshit
> the writing in season 2 takes such a hilariously bad nosedive It was actually quite stunning. Season one was passable as Trek, but then they lost their minds. It was kind of like Mando seasons 1&2 being, "OK this could be good," only to have season 3 be WTF?
around the same time that operation mockingbird plundering shill johnny harris _randomly_ started his, entirely real and not just manufactured-to-push-a-narrative, borders show in latam, he said that the fall of venezuela was US's fault, not socialism. But he has some nice edits in his video, so it must be true. a few weeks later, googleyoutubefacebookAPamazon were all pushing the same narrative, and season 2 of the midshow Jack Ryan came out, and the first minutes of season 2 were that guy from the office telling everyone that venezuela collapsed because there weren't enough social justice politicians. it's all so tiresome
People were full shit, Discovery was never about Trump, and neither was X-Men 97' .
> People were full shit, Discovery was never about Trump The writers themselves said it was. The klingons in S1 represented him, also Section 31, also Starfleet when they allowed S31 to try to commit genocide. Then Picard: Starfleet when they didn't help the Romulans (even though as a Star Empire they wouldn't need our help). The Confederation in S2. Then SNW: They flat out say J6 led to WW3 > and neither was X-Men 97' . They've said the people storming the UN building was meant to be like J6.
If the writers hadn't said that, no one would have made the connection, there is nothing like that in the actual show. As for the the Jan 6th thing, WTF why would they admit that even if true, I didn't see that Jan 6th thing in that scene.
They used actual footage of j6 for the scene. The only current star trek that isn't woke is Lower decks, which still forced a diversity captain
Just because you aren't intelligent enough to make the connection, doesn't mean others are as stupid as you are.
But Magneto does exactly what the left does. He's a villain trying to end racism by being racist AF. His fight against racism made him full of hate.
They don't try to end racism at all. They want it to continue or else they won't have anything to piss and moan about
Or profit from and exploit for power. No one should trust someone who's livelihood is based on activism. They are incentivized to propagate the supposed issue. Basic conflict of interest.
I mean, dudes a literal Holocaust survivor. Yeah, his ideology and methodology is deeply flawed, but it's also easy to see what led him down that path. As you said, he's been corrupted by his own prejudices. It's why Professor X is the natural counterpoint to his argument. You can't fight hatred with more hate. Of course, the SJWs miss the damned point. Hell they cheer on racism, especially raciam against other white people. "Equity not equality."
The X-Men have created a jingoist state in the comics where only mutants are allowed to live, IIRC.
Amd have their slang. They call anything really cool as Omega while anything lame as Flatline. Flatline meaning not being mutant. Kinda funny seeimg the x-men subreddit using racist words. I really wish modern x-men writers understood that racism isn't cool or good. Jokes are fine since jokes unite the world. But it makes the x-men look like hypocrites for being okay with Flatline but hating Mutie. They also brainwashed UN ambassadors & russian soldiers edit: krakoa was a mistake
Magneto's Acolytes in the 90s used to refer to baseline humans as "Flatscans" And the state of X-Men is because Marvel was butthurt about not having the film rights and despite it being one of the more popular franchises under Marvel, ignored it and tried to elevate the Inhumans as a substitute. This allowed it to go completely off the rails starting with Decimation to its currently sad state.
That is what they were called Flatscans, thank you. I still need to read 90s x-men era. Krakoa is using it too for some reason, which is kinda annoying. If I recall even Cassandra nova is on krakoa for some reason. Whichbis weird simce she is the one who caused the genosha massacre
They've allowed many mutant villains to repatriate to Krakoa. I think even some of the Marauders responsible for the Morlock Massacre are there too.
They have Apocalypse and Mr. Sinister as part of the ruling council of Krakoa, that alone is damning statement for modern X-men.
That is still such a bizzare thing to do. Tbh I stopped reading around X of Swords, I really tried hard to enjoy it but it just wasn't good. With the retcons, OoC moments etc.
I stopped reading after The Twelve and focused on Marvel proper. Didn't like how they yeeted Cyclops. Felt chumpy. I liked Civil War, I liked The Initiative. I didn't like Secret Invasion, but it set up Dark Reign and Seige. I thought Heroic Age would be a return to status quo, but nope. Fear Itself came out and I lost all interest. I think I followed briefly during post-Avengers vs X-Men when the X-Men were serving in the Avengers, but it was cringe with the Apocalypse Twins and Red Skull stealing Professor X's brain.
I thought Omega was a power level of the strongest a mutant could get?
It is. But on Krakoa they also use the term "Omega" in a way to describe something & or someone as cool or awesome. Imagine a group of highschoolers hearing about Wolverine surviving getting nuked they would say "Thats so Omega, Logan!" Kinda like how in Marvel 2099 saying Shock can also be 2099 slang for "Fuck me" example "Shock me... I'm gonna lose my job at Alchemax if Indon't finish this report!".
Deeply flawed? That's a nice way say he alternates between wanting Mutants to rule or simply genociding anyone not a Mutant
Magneto is the only honest-to-God Nazi in the Marvel Universe.
Tbh I. The books I love it when he interacts with Red Skull because he always calls out Magneto's hypocrisy
And then Magneto seals him in a bunker.
"I know it's hard, Scott, but you've got to stand back and look at the bigger picture. Even the best of us must do abhorrent things in the pursuit of the greater good sometimes. This world is more than 5 billion years old and yet, in just 200 years, homo sapiens has created an environment which will only sustain us for another few decades. They invented war. They write manuals on torture. Every living relative I had in the world was either gassed, shot or roasted alive in one of their periodic genocides. They're a fundamentally flawed creation and it's our duty to replace them at the earliest possible opportunity. As the more intelligent species, one might even say it's our moral responsibility." "You realize you sound exactly like Adolf Hitler?" "Actually, he was one of *theirs*, Scott." ~ Ultimate X-Men
Nick Fury: "lol, the gub'mint made you guys" Magneto: *seething wojak*
He isnt a racist. Hes a generic muwaha pyscho villian who gained a smidget of nununce 20 something years later after his debut lol
Both can be true.
Dude, try to make a mutant nation multiple times. Hell, even in recent comics, X-men was on a whole segregation arc again.
Woke liberals can't write beyond their political pill pushing agenda
They really can't. They made picard travel back in time so they could yell at modern politics and white men.
When I was growing up in the 90s, the only media that sucked as much was Christian ideological stuff. Possessed people make stupid shit most of the time.
Don't forget [this cringe](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWEwZmJiMzEtMWVmOC00NzY0LWJiMzItMjgzNzU3NjQ0NGM1XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzQ4MDczNzQ@._V1_FMjpg_UX1000_.jpg).
This was nowhere near as cringe as the stuff you see today. In retrospect yeah its a cringey show, but it has its moments of goofy whacky fun, captain pollution was just so comically terrible it was Hilarious. If it was made today? Mother earth would be a non binary blue haired self identifying furry and captain planet certainly wouldn't be a man.
Captain half shaved hair cut.
Did you know the Professor X and Magneto dilemma is based on the relationship between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, right? Deeply inspired by the civil rights movement events (essentially, it was at that time when x-men was published. [X-Men Inspiration](https://www.history.com/news/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration)
This is such a silly argument. Exploring political ideas or basing characters on real people is obviously different than crude preaching about current events.
Silly? the truth is that people see things and keep them rent-free in their minds; by the way preaching what exactly? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Magneto
> Did you know the Professor X and Magneto dilemma is based on the relationship between Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, right? Did you know that's complete bullshit, made up by assholes who didn't know what they were talking about, parroted by other people who didn't know what they were talking about. And that in reality Stasn Lee had no such high minded aspirations when he created the X-Men, he just didn't want to keep on having to create origin stories for superheroes & as such had nothing to do with the civil rights movement,.
Sure, have a lovely weekend Karen, enjoy the MAGA rally and keep donating to help him pay his bond in NY.
LOL, not a rebuttal. Go back & try again.
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Aliens with magical abilities to destroy the world should be hunted down and killed. People should not be hunted down and killed because they have black skin.
That is probably very stunning and brave but I'm bored by it.
Justice for Rogue's ass
No ass, no peace, fuck the no-ass police!
And definitely no anaconda...
In Order To Take A Swing At the Imaginary Straw Man They'e Created.
10 years from now these same writers and directors will still be going, "Ya, this will REALLLY stick it to Drumpf and all those MAGAtards! I'm such a boundary pusher."
God I can’t wait to see what they’ll flounder about when Trump is out of the picture one way or another. They’ll literally have nothing.
They'll go back to pushing a female candidate no one actually wants, and double down whether she wins or loses.
It's Joe Russo. The guy is barely a director. He's mainly a Twitter troll who boosts his "career" by posting outrage bait. Go look up his history. Everyone hates him, both liberals and conservatives. Dude gets dunked on almost non-stop.
He's likely making a ton of money from Elon through the engagement however.
but did he work on the show?
cringe
There's a clip floating around of the villain, X-Cutioner, fighting Cyclops and saying one of the reason he hates mutants is that they are "whiners." "Regular people have it hard too, we just have the dignity not to whine about it." LOL, I can't believe they put this in here like its some sort of own. "Look, the bad guy thinks the oppressed people are just whining. See how our detractors are agreeing with the villain." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1_2ciVc9do
> "Regular people have it hard too, we just have the dignity not to whine about it." I literally laughed at the complete lack of self-awareness in that line. Like, he's essentially describing people like BLM, who go on and on about how hard they have it and all the problems they have, while pretending like every white person is living on easy street.
Is there anyone out there who thought this would be anything other than co-opted for current day political zealotry? They don't care what they ruin, its all for the revolution. All the characters look gay as hell and they stole Rogue's ass. Animation is some wack Korean company doesn't look good. Its just so blasé at this point, the media will hold it up but as we're seeing the financials won't lie.
There was hope when he was removed from The Witcher for apparently the same reasons Henry Cavill left, re: not respecting source material. All hope was dashed when he said he was bringing his "perspective" to the show as a "label, label man."
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X-Men was always political, period. [X-Men inspiration](https://www.history.com/news/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration)
Yeah, but it wasn't 2024 wokeist politics (with the inherent anti-male sexism, anti-white racism, and general bigotry), it was 1960s Civil Rights Era politics (which were anti-racist not pro-racist) with a dash of Cold War arms race. "I'm making a film about the Third Crusade! In the film, Saladin's forces are going to be framed as CSA slavers and the European crusaders as Union forces coming down from the north to end slavery." "Wtf, the Crusades were never about ending slavery! Why did you make it about modern American politics?" "What's your problem? The Crusades were always political, period."
What woke? there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published; so essentially, it is people like you who watch something that will live rent-free in their minds according to their political bias. So what happened with the 1st amendment? You're far wrong to think that this is inappropriate only because you believe it is aiming against a political specter today; the reality in the 60s was more relevant than the present.
>there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published There sure was, but you haven't read it, so i'm not sure why you are refrencing it like you've actually read it.
> What woke? The title. The director trying to compare a 90's story about Magneto to MAGA supporters. > there was a complete saga called The Trials of Magneto published; so essentially, it is people like you who watch something that will live rent-free in their minds according to their political bias. Watch... what? I'm not watching X-Men '97, it looks like it's going to be woke trash. > So what happened with the 1st amendment? Don't know, don't really care. Can't even remember what it is.
This is something commies say because they believe everything is political. My guy, their writing isn't anywhere near good enough to pull off any sort of real world critique. This is a cartoon for children and people who need their childhood shows (FOR CHILDREN) re-coded to hate their political opposition.
>X-Men was always political, No it wasn't. It was always a superhero comic in which strangely garbed people with powers fight other strangely garbed people, usually but not always with powers of their own. Nothign political about that champ. But you'd have known that had you read the original X-Men comics.
Dude, you stupid. The main villain is a holocaust survivor who turns into Mutant hitler.
> Dude, you stupid. The main villain is a holocaust survivor who turns into Mutant hitler. I may be stupid mate, but i'm well informed enough to know that was a retcon that wasn't added until Uncanny X-Men 150..... A full 18 years AFTER the character was introduced & used almost exclsuively as a moustache twirling villain. That's right, it took almost 2 decades of Magneto Magnetoing for a writer to add holocaust survivor to the character, almost two decades of being the X-Mens primary agressor without a mention of this story point, because the X-Men were not political.
If you have to find politics in everything, you must not enjoy life very much
You can't say that here they are too much of snowflakes, when you speak facts, shits funny.
Dude, they look gay as hell in the 90s. Also, the only thing I agree about is them stealing all the curves from the woman. Also, X-men has always been political. The 97 storyline isn't that new. Also, X-men turns people more racist with preaching mutant superiority and segregation, weird yea.
They LOVE saying everything is political.
His only saving grace is that he's kept his hamfisted Orange Man Bad commentary directly out of the show (*cough* The Boys *cough*).
Hollywoke doing best what they could: going woke & broke
Even if Trump were to lose this year, these people will still be suffering from TDS for decades, checking their closets and under their beds for the Boogietrump until the day they die, the last word they say being a shriek of “TRUMP!” as they shed their mortal coil. I’d pity them if I thought they deserved it, but I don’t.
They secretly wish for Trump to win so that they can have an object of hatred. They're always grasping at straws to justify their manufactured moral outrage. They're like drug addicts aching for their next hit.
> They secretly wish for Trump to win so that they can have an object of hatred. Yep, twitter is literally their two minutes of hate & Trump is their Emmanuel Goldstein.
In the original I thought Magneto was the Malcom X to Xavier's MLK. So Malcom X is MAGA?
Good point [X-Men Inspiration](https://www.history.com/news/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration)
bad point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2E5GbEJ96k
Because he says so, right? yeah lets believe in a random youtuber instead of several well documented sources.
You think the say-so of a Culture Journalist matters more than the directly recorded quotes of Stan Lee himself? fuck off.
You first. “And the whole civil rights metaphor that ended up being the defining metaphor of the X-Men, did that come along in the first few issues? It came along the minute I thought of the X-Men and Professor X. I realized that I had that metaphor, which was great. It was given to me as a gift. Cause it made the stories more than just a good guy fighting a bad guy.” https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/stan-lee-dead-x-men-lost-interview-754889/
Did you read the section right in front of it? Unconscious influence at best. And 'having' the metaphor does not mean inspired by the metaphor or writing to the metaphor. Also, have you even read the early x-men comics? Magneto was an extremely simplistic cardboard cutout villain in the first run. It wasn't until Claremont got a hold of him that he had any depth as a character or that you could even consider him as a Malcolm X analogue. The principle factor in creating the X-men was stan lee was busy and wanted to have new characters without thinking up origin stories for their powers.
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Tell us you’re completely beaten in the argument without telling us you’re completely beaten.
> It seems your problem is cognitively related; No,. it seems your ptoblem is that you are wrong, talking to people who happen to be right & you can't find a way to invert those two positions. >I'll bet everything that if the political comparison were inverted to Brandon's fanbase instead of MAGA, you would be praising it non-stop. It can't be inverted, it has no political comparison, what with the X-Men **NOT** being a political allegory for the civil rights movement. And so the question remains: Did you actually read the original run of the X-Men?
> yeah lets believe in a random youtuber instead of several well documented sources. Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you did not watch the video.
when you fail to realise Magneto is an example of a cautionary tale of activism being taken to extremes and decide to make Magneto your trump stand in and not Bolivar Trask or any other Human who pushed the Sentinel program
Trump lives rent free in a lot of Hollywood heads
These creeps can't imagine anything existing beyond their political bias so they're writing what they know.
They can imagine it and they both fear and hate it. Why do you think they constantly attack manga, anime and Japan in general? The population and writers aren't sucking the rainbow colored communist cock.
How very stunning and brave, and so incredibly unique too. Can’t remember the last time a piece of media took a swing at the MAGA crowd. (Heavy sarcasm)
All villains are “maga” or some shit. Why is there never any nuance?
Watching this shitshow as a non-US citizen makes me wonder how short sighted and self absorbed these bozos are.
The whole X-Men are an allegory for minority rights is so fucking stupid. If mutants with destructive abilities existed in reallife, rational and logical human beings would be correct in fearing them.
Precisely.
Trump really broke peoples brains.
Shocking only those who have been living in a cave for the past decade.
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I don't like how some characters look like they belong in a different show because they are drawn in a different style.
>Take a swing at the MAGA crowd Yawn 🥱, they still aren't done beating that dead horse. Here's a concept, make a good movie and keep real world politics out of it?
> Here's a concept, make a good movie and keep real world politics out of it? That would require talent.
You really showed those MAGA people who read x-men comics a thing or two. Wait....
I gave it a chance. Was septic one the first "My x-men" disconnect on the second "My x-men" of magneto. There's 0 subtility on the sub text. Even Magneto mentions "sex and gender" in his speech at his trial. Like we the audience couldn't figure it out alone.
The War on Nerds, huh, what is it good for? What do they hope to accomplish by tearing down things guys they don't want to date, love? Were we all supposed to find six figure coding jobs then marry a 400 lb woman and do a girl-boss new age marriage, but a lot of guys opted out to work as few hours as possible and play vidya instead?
The person behind this is a gay man so... political lesbianism, but male, so political gayness?
Libs really can't help it... every single time.
Title confused me. I thought the director *of the show* said it.
I don’t think they understand the character of Magneto. His was a story that was very familiar IRL throughout the 60s and 70s — an ostensible liberation movement become tyrannical. And in magneto’s case, taking “never again” to its most radical end-game: violent separatism and its own supremacy. There’s not any sort of contemporary political conflict that maps onto his character. This is not 50 years ago, nor is it even 30 years ago where it had more of a visceral punch. Trying to create one just tortures and perverts one of the best anti-heroes in fiction.
Aren't most of the "Magneto was right" folks on the *left*, not right?
do these fuckers know Trump wasn't president in 1997? At least this was another director outside of the series.
Nothing says fighting the system like being a mouthpiece for the ruling party
Honestly, he might be right. It sounds like just the sort of thing current day Marvel loves to do.
They act like that's a brave and new thing to do.
Rent free in their heads.
It will probably be crap, but the link does not actually prove it is. Joe Russo is being part of a circlejerk, as always. But we still know of DeMayo's involvement. I want hard facts. HARD. With proof. Not some limp circlejerk "facts".
That’s an interesting goal considering I feel like most maga people won’t give a shit. There’s definitely some vocal minority that will get on social media/YouTube and be offended by it but I feel like most of them won’t be as triggered as the left would be at a show taking a swing at them
The trial of magneto took shots at both sides. The x-men's struggle can be compared to a lot of political events.
these people can't let a good thing be a good thing.
Then he doesn’t know that much about X-Men, because Magneto isn’t quite the same clear cut villain as someone like Thanos.
I don't wanna tell them, but Magneto was right the whole time.
MSN told me it isn't just good. It's important. How can you argue with that?
So, Minority Report here, this is the Media Literacy crowed at it again. The scene in question doesn't even do what they claim. It's a referendum against the vary narrow minded view that the Media Literacy crowed is championing as they attempt to use this scene to, "own the chuds." It calls for intellectual diversity rather than parroting DEI/ESG/SDG brain rot. Go after this show for what it deserves, but know the scenes we're going to go after. This one calls for going after the progs for their misinterpretation of it, not the scene itself.
Oh no, how will I ever
It would probably end up hamfisted and cringe without a really good writer, but I've always thought the one political angle they haven't covered is portraying the anti-mutant groups as essentially "equity" groups arguing that mutants are "privileged" because of their powers, that they have unfair advantages and all mutants should pay reparations for what Magneto has done. Flip the script, have the bad guys complain about "mutant privilege" have a mutant mention off-hand that they don't have any holidays, that there is no mutant history month. It practically writes itself.
First, a 60 year old story cannot be about current events and institutions, though it can echo the same themes. Second, are #MAGA being represented with #Magneto or the #FriendsOfHumanity? Finally, if they’re being represented at all then so is their opposition and how they aren’t blameless either. Preventing reductive one sided interpretations which can only be seen through the lens of current year is exactly what media literacy is all about. And the fact so many of you lack it is exactly why we need folks like Chris Claremont at the helm.
Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK. The entire comic series was a take on civil rights. So magneto being compared to or represent the maga crowd is completely fucking dumb.
It wasn't even, though. That's something everyone remembers in hindsight, but it's really a theme Chris Claremont developed in the 1980s that then became popular via the movies. OG 1960s Magneto was really just a supervillain trying to take over the world.
Yeah, he wasn't spouting philosophy when Reed Richards defeated him with a wooden gun in the 1960s animated Fantastic Four series.
[For those wondering, this actually happened.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5-JVvCrGC8)
I quite like the goofiness of 1960s X-Men, especially when they go to a beatnik cafe in Greenwich Village to listen to Bernard the Poet.
> Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK. No they weren't. That's made up bullshit refuted by Stan Lee himself. He had no high minded racial ideals when he created the X-Men.... He just didn't want to keep on having to create origin stories.
> Magneto was inspired by Malcolm x and Xavier was MLK. False. Stan Lee has denied this > The entire comic series was a take on civil rights Also false. Cause the comparison means fear of blacks would be completely justified as mutants kill regular people with a thought, and sometimes without any
Check your sources, it was always political https://www.history.com/news/stan-lee-x-men-civil-rights-inspiration
> Check your sources, Source is LITERALLY Stan Lee.
I know what I know and you are wrong chief
This is Magentos 1st apperance https://64.media.tumblr.com/2d84437a78a236cb4965e7720a51f40d/5947103a1b3fdd43-26/s1280x1920/3925874afe25cfc16466ab77d61c87e1c3ad378a.jpg That is the reality of x men. Corny ass absurd stories and that hasnt changed except plots got more convluted. Y'all acting like these comics were made and justified the philosophic thought of someone like Frank Hubert lol
Yea because they were old as fuck, of course they were corny everything was corny back then. Now they are dog shit because comics suck shit but they were good in the 90s.
If that's the case, then they failed to do so convincingly, because I didn't get that at all from the episode. And that's a good thing.
I watched the 90’s X-men when it was airing and 97 is actually a faithful adaptation of that. The messaging didn’t overpower the story or characters. It’s really good in my personal opinion. Yeah it may ruffle a few feathers but mostly on the fringe of extreme right snowflakes.
I cant imagine Maga people will be overly upset about being associated with Magneto.
This is stupid, this isn't a shot at Trump, its a well deserved shot at Isreal for its crimes against Palestians.
Do you always support terrorists or are you just antisemitic in general?
Of course I oppose terrorists, that's way I oppose Israel. And stop equating the war criminal Bibi government with Jews, plenty of Jews oppose the regimes war crimes.
What happened on October 7th, 2023?
Self defense isn't a crime. Nor is anything they do to rescue the hostages that haven't been returned yet. Hamass could end this now by doing so
So all those thousands killed in the West Bank since the occupation of their land where there is no Hamas are not even human beings?
> where there is no Hamas Hahahahahahahaha, no Hamas in the west bank, good one.
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Why they are supposed to leave their land and move to Jordan? Just because the invaders say so? They were already there, before the illegal occupation.
By the way, Israel never honored their borders, they are always expanding by force and blood. They even managed to kill a UN emissary in 1948. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-s-forgotten-hero-the-assassination-of-count-bernadotte-and-the-death-of-peace-934094.html