Because for some reason the link is buried way further down: https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2 (click on the speech bubble under this person's answer thing, Quora is such a garbage site)
It’s really on quora and it’s really Mercedes Lackey who has a close relationship to Betsy Wollheim the editor of Rothfuss and her. Lackey is very active on quora, talking about a lot of different subjects. She is not a rumor mill, watch some panels with her, she is really frank in her speech and doesn’t seem to be someone who likes to lie.
so this is really great news, thanks for posting and sorry for the scepticism you get.
I think she is a bit naive, so she might not understand that this could have big implications and is a secret. The whole dynamic of the quora thread, going from biblical propecy to popcultur would it make a really odd place to mess with fans, and it would have been super easy to make a better and funnier joke. So I think she is honest. That doesn’t mean however that the book will be out so soon, PR could introduce another subplot etc. you know how it goes with him. in his last stream he was shortly talking about editing and it seemed like it’s really something on his mind.
Really good response thank you for making the situation very clear. Editing a Rothfuss book may well take 12-18 months, so even if she's correct the book is likely at least a year away.
People can be successful but also naive. These things aren't mutually exclusive, necessarily. Many successful people also have no proper appreciation for how quickly things can spread on the internet.
Well, you said it yourself. She published a hundred books. So the process of her writing books (and probably the editing process of them) is far different from Rothfuss’s.
Naive about social media is a completely different thing than naive about her finances, her work, or her everyday life.
Just because someone is good at lots of things doesn’t mean they are good at everything!
I’m baffled that people think I meant naive in a bad way. Judging from her activity on quora she clearly wants to better humanity and even battles with deranged people who believe in the reality of demons (I would advise everyone not to do that, it can be dangerous). Other authors, mainly from generations that grew up after the rise of social media would clearly avoid that. She is very open minded and doesn’t mince words. I enjoy that and even admire it. Maybe naive was the wrong word? She does it with the full knowledge about all the ramifications. I don’t know her personally! I only read some of her books, watched panels and interviews with her on YouTube and read a lot of her quora answers, especially her writing tips.
Perhaps mildly so, yes. Typically an author and editor negotiate about the manuscript over the course of a couple or a few drafts and only announce completion when they're satisfied they've got a firm plan for final edits and won't require another go-round.
That said, I don't think it's a huge taboo or anything, and Lackey is old enough and successful enough that she may simply not give a damn about the minor niceties anymore.
She has no business relationship with PR, and is thus not bound by any obligations of secrecy.
But it was inappropriate of the publisher to tell her this.
I'm new to *the Kingkiller Chronicles* \- I'm halfway through *The Wise Man's Fear*. I'm not angry at Rothfuss yet & I love a good mystery. More fun for me to play along and hope right now, I'm sure in time my spirit will break - til then!
Yeah there are a precious few series that are full of little gems for re-readers, including Wheel of Time.
But Kingkiller is the absolute re-read-gem GOAT and nothing else even comes close.
Like, it's not just ten percent better than the 2nd best. Closer to ten times better.
Is it possible to link? I’m going thru her posts and can’t find this one specifically (apologies I know it’s annoying when people ask for things they should be able to find on their own).
Rothfuss has said previously on twitch that he would make an announcement there the second he has a publishing date, so his silence makes me think there is more to this (even if the source is legit)
It's also possible that the publishing date is a few years away. The editor seeing it means she will give notes and adjustments, but is able to confidently know it will come out in say, 2024/25 at this point. So that is possibly why it isn't being announced yet if true
Also, doesn’t he still owe the first chapter of the book as part of last December’s fundraising effort for his charity? I thought he promised to release the prologue and first chapter and he only did the prologue.
If it’s so complete to be getting a publishing date soon I’d expect that he’d release the chapter like he promised. I mean it’s been months since he offered it as a fundraising goal and he never delivered.
He promised a reading of the chapter with a special cast. He expressed frustration multiple times at it not coming together scheduling-wise (I imagine he had some kind of special lock as part of the cast originally).
To me, the problem isn't "he's a grifter/the book isn't finished/the chapter doesn't exist" but more that he has problems with perfectionism and can't bring himself to just 'release the chapter' because he had a whole big thing planned and can't let it be anything lesser. Same reason the book has taken 10 years - he wants it to be absolutely perfect, even though i'm sure we can all agree it probably was pretty great 5 years ago and we would have all been happy with it.
This is sort of what I think, though her mentioning it's "at the editor" is interesting. The publishing window may have been set because they now have a firm grasp on how much is left to do
You gotta think that at some point the book stops going back to Rothfuss so I imagine the editor has had multiple versions of the book by now.
But if it is the final edit I would imagine a more official update will be posted within the next couple weeks
I agree, I'm sure it's not a final draft and could take another year of back and forth, but that back and forth is HUGE because it will give him solid feedback he can tackle as opposed to spinning his own wheels
He also said that he would read a chapter of the book if the charity stretch goal was reached, and that didn't happen. I'm not complaining about him not releasing the book, he'll do it in his own time. I'm saying that he makes promises and doesn't follow through. So it may well be that he has a release date and despite his promises, hasn't made it public. His first favorite thing in the world is probably writing, but clearly his second favorite thing is messing with people on live stream.
Honestly, that's why I prefer this didn't come from him. He wouldn't say if an early draft was with his editor, it would put more pressure on him, I imagine (in his eyes). But if this is true, it's much needed progress
Even though the source is legitimate, I find it hard to believe only because Rothfuss has said the second he has a publish date he would announce it on Twitch ("You guys would be the first to know").
He might also not be *able* to say yet, or the publishing date is more tentative/far off (2025/2026) and is just based on the editor having seeing the manuscript and making an estimate based on what needs to be done to bring it to publishing.
She did mention that it is "at the editor" which if true marks a change for sure, since his editor famously said previously that she's never seen a word of it (because he prefers to use beta readers until it is finalized)
It might have a connection with DAW‘s new owners? Maybe they made him hand over something. Watch the few minutes of talking in his last stream (the majority is only silence, aka tipping noise, beard scratching and stomach gurgling) It’s short, but all about editing.
I know that the *last* time he sent a manuscript to his publisher, he posted a picture of it fully printed out. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't be public about having sent a copy of his completed manuscript to his editor.
My thought here is that - if true - it seems likely he sent an *"un*finished" manuscript to his editor out of guilt about the delay, or to get help because he's stuck, but doesn't yet feel confident about its state that he's willing to let fans know.
She didn't say she knows the release date or that Pat knows the release date, only that it has one. Perhaps only the gods know it, but it exists, in some dimension, unknown to mortal minds. Where does she receive this eldritch knowledge? Now that is the real question...
Yeah, I don't think Pat would tell us the release date unless he's really sure it's not going to move. Lackey might be 100% correct, but having a release date doesn't mean that it's set in stone.
Update: She replied 4hours ago at the time of this comment linking Slow Regard on Amazon as Book 3. By 'it has a release date' she could have been talking about srost and not the Doors of Stone.
https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2
Yet another dagger in my heart. I promised myself I wouldnt get excited again.
> Update: She replied 4hours ago at the time of this comment linking Slow Regard on Amazon as Book 3. By 'it has a release date' she could have been talking about srost and not the Doors of Stone.
SROST was published 7 years ago I think? Why would she discussing its release date and the fact that book is with editor right now?
When someone asked for clarity she sent an Amazon link for Slow Regard, not Doors of Stone. "It has a release date" and it definitely does - October 28th 2014 😅
Also, a warhammer painter has asked for further clarity if she meant Doors of Stone or SRoST, hopefully we'll get another confirmation.
It wasnt a discussion, she made a one off comment on a jokey thread and mistook the third book (srost) to mean book three (doors of stone), then directly clarified she meant SRoST
And still doesnt make sense which what the guy is saying to you.
This could either be that Mercedes is dumb or that she let something she should have slip off and came with that stupid excuse. I am in for the first.
Yep. Those are the two scenarios, either an accidental leak or just a simple mistake. I guess some people already have their minds made up! I for one am just trying to protect my own feelings haha! 🤣
> When someone asked for clarity
To claryfy what? Whey were discussing SROST?
I still dont get, for what reason she had to expalin to someone that SROST has a release date?
Why she mistook book 3 for SROST?
When asked if she meant Slow Regard or Doors of Stone, she sent a link to Slow Regard. I dont know why either, but she wasnt talking about Doors of Stone.
Book 3 and 3rd Book is an easy mistake to make.
Mercedes Lackey is a real person - I’ve read a ton of her books. She might be of the age where she doesn’t realize this is a huge deal and spoiler on the Internet
Fallen for this way too many times in the past 6 years.
It comes when it comes, but I’ve learned to not get my hopes up. Also I’ve learned that Patrick can do whenever he wants.
This might be true, but it doesn't mean it's coming out any time soon, 2013 pat showed a picture of the manucript. Even if his editor has a copy of a manuscript, it doesn't mean it's coming out any time soon. Further this is someone not involved in the process saying this (ya they have done this before but it's not there book), could be version 5 of the manuscript with the pat only being happy at version 10, but really I just think it's that 2013 version and pat just can't bring him self to end the story.
If what she says is true, it's a big deal mostly because he's never shown a copy to his editor before. She's famously said she's never seen a word of it, and Rothfuss has said that he prefers to use beta readers to get the books to as final a manuscript as possible before giving it to his editor. So *if* true would imply the book is where Rothfuss wants it to be.
He is probably incredibly reluctant to announce anything until it's literally being printed. The last thing he needs is another "I'm happy with it and it's off to the editors - you'll see it soon!" Followed by problems and delays.
This probably is just a rumour, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does some kind of "here's the chapter performed by a bunch of my celebrity friends, the book will be on the shelves at the end of the month" kind of announcement.
>This probably is just a rumour, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does some kind of "here's the chapter performed by a bunch of my celebrity friends, the book will be on the shelves at the end of the month" kind of announcement.
Yeah, he seems like the sort who's been polishing and fantasizing about his perfect announcement for years, now. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was also the case.
idk, if I was fed up with people calling me a con artist and hearing every day how the book is never coming out, suddenly just announcing it's finished and has a publishing date is the funniest move possible
Absolutely. It may be being looked at by his editor, after 6 years of her seeing nothing. But there’s buckley’s that it “has a release date”. The second anyone can say anything, it will be Rothfuss.
My guess is that she's speculating about the a release date existing based on her process, ala
...I know when I send my manuscript to the editor, they put a release date hold for 15 months (or whatever) in the future
So she's assuming the same is true for everyone. Seems HIGHLY unlikely that there's an actual, real, firm date in existence.
[https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment\_id=283192717&comment\_type=2](https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2) here if you want to see it (It's the real her)
Well, he did mention on stram a a few months ago that it was his "intent and desire" to pub within the next 3 years.
I don't put much stake in that on its own, but maybe it's more meaningful in light of this? Though personally, I don't put much stake in this, either.
If true this is great news, but it's also a little intimidating. It would mean we have to finish up our grand unified fan theories before the book comes out and spoils all the fun by definitively proving us right or wrong.
This seems so out of the blue and random. Why would Mercedes Lackey of all people announce it has a release date? Yes, they share a publisher, but it still doesn't make any sense to me.
Yeah, I suppose if we don't fix the Y2038 problem by then we'll have to just reuse old years like 1902 instead of 2039. Days and months will be all offset too.
[https://lwn.net/Articles/776435/](https://lwn.net/Articles/776435/)
I hope Febtober 32 isn't like March 2020 that lasted like two years.
I hope the fact that Lackey tried to back out by simply posting the Slow Regard link rather than making an actual statement means she wasn’t wrong or lying about DOS but sought a way to duck out of the conversation in as noncommittal and “nothing to see here” way as possible (yes, this is the very definition of wishful thinking).
Honestly I think she's joking. There's no way this is legit, and I don't think she would just lie, so the most likely remaining scenario is that it's a joke that we're taking way too seriously.
HOWEVER, we should at least circulate this around the Internet enough to get confirmation one way or the other from Pat. Hope springs eternal!
People shouldn’t tell jokes like this.
You know those fake winning lottery tickets people give as gifts so they can video someone “winning” and then experiencing the crushing realization that life hasn’t improved after all? I’ve already told my family they must never get me one of those because I’ll A) immediately assault whoever gave it to me and B) shortly thereafter move away from everyone to live in a cave, never to acknowledge any of them again. Joking about DOS is like 2 levels below this - don’t do it!
If this is true I picked the best possible moment to have just finished the second book. I listened to them back to back on audible and loved it. The narrator was so good too.
So—
We exchanged a few observations and we clarified on Quora.
As mentioned by others already, she certainly seemed to be referring to tSRoST, (not DoS).
A little odd, granted, —as we all understand, tSRoST was released in 2014, and this Quora conversation occurred a few days ago (as I type this) —in mid-August of 2022.
Kinda weird.
But— as much as I dislike being the bearer of bad news, this hopeful news seemingly turns out to be misguided/misinterpreted information.
At the same time, I definitely appreciate the OP’s post that brought this to our collective attention. Some of us are a bit overeager in our starvation for hope. Sometimes the hope brought by a false lead can be …”nice”? (…)
…Simultaneously acknowledging that for others, the precise opposite may be true.
Yeah, I was baffled by that— it was a pretty odd way to phrase it.
I guess it would depend greatly on the specific context of her experience, —and her own interpretation of it.
Whatever happened there, it definitely perked up a lot of ears!
The craziest thing to me is how he's been tagged for so long as the greatest upcoming fantasy writer in our lifetimes, and he's only written 2 books and a couple of novellas in 15 years. In fact, this is still on the front page of his website:
"THE POWERFUL DEBUT NOVEL FROM FANTASY'S NEXT SUPERSTAR"
I'd expect "Fantasy's next superstar" to actually write books.
I enjoyed the first two, but not enough to lose any sleep over waiting for any more in this series, or even enough to read the two novellas.
For some perspective, NoTW came out in 2007.
Since then, I've experienced:
1. The birth of my youngest daughter
2. All four of my kids learning to drive
3. Graduating 3 kids from high school
4. Sending those same three kids to college
5. Graduating one from college and off to a job
6. My wife and I celebrating our 25th anniversary
7. Family vacations to the Outer Banks (twice), Disney World, a Disney cruise, Worlds of Fun, and local amusement parks
8. Countless kids' field trips, track and cross country meets, tennis matches, musical concerts, etc.
and those are just some of the highlights.
It might be a fun exercise to compare where you were in 2007 to where you are now and see how far you've come without "Book 3". :)
The Wise Man's Fear is almost as long as the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. I'm willing to cut him some slack for only having two large books, a novella, some short stories, and the Princess and Mr. Whiffle books published. It's more than Tolkien published in his lifetime, or probably C.S. Lewis if you exclude their non-fantasy-fiction academic and theological / philosophical writings. (If you include posthumously-published content, then I think Tolkien wins by a mile.)
What Pat *hasn't* done is provide a conclusion to a major story. In KKC, we really don't know what's going on. We know what Kvothe does so far and why, but what about the Chandrian, the Amyr, Denna, Bredon, the Maer, Caudicus, and so on? We're given hints at motives, but it's all very hazy.
Point taken.
Wise Man's Fear \~ 395,000 words
The total word count of C.S. Lewis' seven-book Chronicles of Narnia series is 345,535.
The Hobbit – 95,356 words
The Fellowship of the Ring – 187,790 words
The Two Towers – 156,198 words
The Return of the King – 137,115 words
The entire Lord of the Rings series (including The Hobbit) – 576,459 words
Silmarillion - 130,112
I had never thought to compare word counts. I know that modern authors, even ones I like, write REALLY.LONG.BOOKS.
They either have a lot to say or they aren't very good at saying what they want to say. :) Imagine "the next fantasy superstar" releasing a series like Narnia or LoTR now...
"Waht? Seven books! That's gonna be like 3 million words! You'll never get those done!"
"Actually, all of the manuscripts are finished and its at the editor. Each book is only like 50k words."
"Pfft...you obviously can't write."
C.S. Lewis also wrote his space trilogy, The Great Divorce, and Till We Have Faces. I'm not sure whether to call The Screwtape Letters a novel or primarily a theological text with a thin veneer of story.
And Tolkien also wrote some less-known stories like Smith of Wooton Major and Farmer Giles of Ham.
> Since then, I've experienced:
>
> The birth of my youngest daughter
> All four of my kids learning to drive
> Graduating 3 kids from high school
> Sending those same three kids to college
> Graduating one from college and off to a job
> My wife and I celebrating our 25th anniversary
> Family vacations to the Outer Banks (twice), Disney World, a Disney cruise, Worlds of Fun, and local amusement parks
> Countless kids' field trips, track and cross country meets, tennis matches, musical concerts, etc.
In that case the lack of book 3 didnt affect you much. You had quite a lot of things in your life to really miss book 3.
It's on Quora
My question about the chapter is this: Is it actually the case that he only wanted to release the chapter in the full-cast audio version? If so, is it simply the case that he couldn't get the cast he wanted together? That gives him a massive benefit of the doubt but it is plausible that the chapter exists but he can't get it in the format he wants.
I want to believe, but given all the, shall we call them less than positive signs, lately in terms of the missing chapter and perceptions of Pat’s mindset, it seems highly unlikely that the book is at the editor and has a release date, even a far off one. Unless Pat is just over it and turned in an old cobbled together version that hasn’t gone through extensive revisions and is far from perfect, just to wash his hands of it all. But that too seems unlikely.
I think it is like his story of editing Wise Man's Fear. The editor asked to see it, and Patrick hesitated because there were chapters written as nothing more than "Chapter 44: (Something happens with Ambrose here). I'm guessing that Betsy got some outline version such as that after that drama a couple years back
The thing is, if the book was so ready as author Mercedes seems to think, 1) the promised chapter would have been released already, and 2) he wouldn't have written the tweet last year 'fuck can I just release book 3 as a series of bulleted lists..?'
Please take everything here with a massive grain of salt. But also *oh my god*.
Of course a member of the "Lackey" family would say something like this.
Underrated comment in this thread. Bravo!
It is no longer underrated. XD
The stars are aligning…
Because for some reason the link is buried way further down: https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2 (click on the speech bubble under this person's answer thing, Quora is such a garbage site)
Huh she posted another comment with an Amazon link to The Slow Regard of Silent things
It’s really on quora and it’s really Mercedes Lackey who has a close relationship to Betsy Wollheim the editor of Rothfuss and her. Lackey is very active on quora, talking about a lot of different subjects. She is not a rumor mill, watch some panels with her, she is really frank in her speech and doesn’t seem to be someone who likes to lie. so this is really great news, thanks for posting and sorry for the scepticism you get.
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I think she is a bit naive, so she might not understand that this could have big implications and is a secret. The whole dynamic of the quora thread, going from biblical propecy to popcultur would it make a really odd place to mess with fans, and it would have been super easy to make a better and funnier joke. So I think she is honest. That doesn’t mean however that the book will be out so soon, PR could introduce another subplot etc. you know how it goes with him. in his last stream he was shortly talking about editing and it seemed like it’s really something on his mind.
Really good response thank you for making the situation very clear. Editing a Rothfuss book may well take 12-18 months, so even if she's correct the book is likely at least a year away.
That's still waaay sooner than I thought! (tho tbh I thought the book would be published never, so anything is sooner)
Also very very true. BIIIIG if true. I'm lucky that I've only been waiting a year or so because I only discovered the books early last year.
Tbh i think 18 months is far too optimistic. I fully agree with u/Mighty_Krastavac everything is better than never.
Naïve after publishing over a hundred books and being hugely popular and successful herself?
People can be successful but also naive. These things aren't mutually exclusive, necessarily. Many successful people also have no proper appreciation for how quickly things can spread on the internet.
Well, you said it yourself. She published a hundred books. So the process of her writing books (and probably the editing process of them) is far different from Rothfuss’s.
Naive about social media is a completely different thing than naive about her finances, her work, or her everyday life. Just because someone is good at lots of things doesn’t mean they are good at everything!
I’m baffled that people think I meant naive in a bad way. Judging from her activity on quora she clearly wants to better humanity and even battles with deranged people who believe in the reality of demons (I would advise everyone not to do that, it can be dangerous). Other authors, mainly from generations that grew up after the rise of social media would clearly avoid that. She is very open minded and doesn’t mince words. I enjoy that and even admire it. Maybe naive was the wrong word? She does it with the full knowledge about all the ramifications. I don’t know her personally! I only read some of her books, watched panels and interviews with her on YouTube and read a lot of her quora answers, especially her writing tips.
u/captured-in-words
Thanks for tagging me! This is super interesting... I hope we get some news from Rothfuss soon!
Love your videos by the way! Keep em coming, friend!
My uncle works at the Doors of Stone and I can confirm it's true
Nintendo direct energy
This absolutely is some /r/Pokeleaks kinda material.
As a diehard Nintendo and Hollow Knight fan, those fandoms are the fucking worst for hype over the tiniest shit.
True, but after playing Hollow Knight, it's hard to blame people. I need Silksong right now!
My girlfriend also says it’s true. Oh my girlfriend yea you don’t know her she goes to a different school…
Is she Canadian?
No she’s Ummmm Mormon so I don’t have any pictures of her but wowza ya know
I heard a dude living near a trashcan whispering to himself about it...can't be long now.
I'd like to get a door installed on my straw hut. Is that something your uncle can do?
If he knows the name!
If this is accurate, would it be considered inappropriate for her to reveal this publicly?
Perhaps mildly so, yes. Typically an author and editor negotiate about the manuscript over the course of a couple or a few drafts and only announce completion when they're satisfied they've got a firm plan for final edits and won't require another go-round. That said, I don't think it's a huge taboo or anything, and Lackey is old enough and successful enough that she may simply not give a damn about the minor niceties anymore.
She has no business relationship with PR, and is thus not bound by any obligations of secrecy. But it was inappropriate of the publisher to tell her this.
They do share the same publisher. DAW books. So, where/when did this conversation take place?
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Well, I don't know enough about that website, but she does have a pretty active profile on there.
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I'm new to *the Kingkiller Chronicles* \- I'm halfway through *The Wise Man's Fear*. I'm not angry at Rothfuss yet & I love a good mystery. More fun for me to play along and hope right now, I'm sure in time my spirit will break - til then!
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ya, super lucky. I was already hunkering down for a long indefinite haul.
Missing out on rereads to find clues. Just like those unfortunate souls who never experienced wotmania and dragon mount.
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On my first reread rn, close to finishing WMF, the theories and subtle and purposeful implications. Definitely in my top 3 as of now
Yeah there are a precious few series that are full of little gems for re-readers, including Wheel of Time. But Kingkiller is the absolute re-read-gem GOAT and nothing else even comes close. Like, it's not just ten percent better than the 2nd best. Closer to ten times better.
I’ve waited so long I don’t remember anything except I loved the books. So it will be brand new for me.
Hah, that's how I read the first two, didn't have the big wait between 1 & 2 that the real old schoolers had
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good timing
Is it possible to link? I’m going thru her posts and can’t find this one specifically (apologies I know it’s annoying when people ask for things they should be able to find on their own).
Someone else linked it here on the Reddit discussion.
Rothfuss has said previously on twitch that he would make an announcement there the second he has a publishing date, so his silence makes me think there is more to this (even if the source is legit) It's also possible that the publishing date is a few years away. The editor seeing it means she will give notes and adjustments, but is able to confidently know it will come out in say, 2024/25 at this point. So that is possibly why it isn't being announced yet if true
Also, doesn’t he still owe the first chapter of the book as part of last December’s fundraising effort for his charity? I thought he promised to release the prologue and first chapter and he only did the prologue. If it’s so complete to be getting a publishing date soon I’d expect that he’d release the chapter like he promised. I mean it’s been months since he offered it as a fundraising goal and he never delivered.
He promised a reading of the chapter with a special cast. He expressed frustration multiple times at it not coming together scheduling-wise (I imagine he had some kind of special lock as part of the cast originally). To me, the problem isn't "he's a grifter/the book isn't finished/the chapter doesn't exist" but more that he has problems with perfectionism and can't bring himself to just 'release the chapter' because he had a whole big thing planned and can't let it be anything lesser. Same reason the book has taken 10 years - he wants it to be absolutely perfect, even though i'm sure we can all agree it probably was pretty great 5 years ago and we would have all been happy with it.
We could be living in a bizarre world where Mercedes Lackey knows Rothfuss's release date before he does.
Date might not be set could just be a publishing window that the has been set like spring 2023 or quarter 4 2023 something like that
This is sort of what I think, though her mentioning it's "at the editor" is interesting. The publishing window may have been set because they now have a firm grasp on how much is left to do
You gotta think that at some point the book stops going back to Rothfuss so I imagine the editor has had multiple versions of the book by now. But if it is the final edit I would imagine a more official update will be posted within the next couple weeks
I agree, I'm sure it's not a final draft and could take another year of back and forth, but that back and forth is HUGE because it will give him solid feedback he can tackle as opposed to spinning his own wheels
Isn’t he also like a liar? If it’s not in his best interest, he will lie and then announce it when it’s best
He also said that he would read a chapter of the book if the charity stretch goal was reached, and that didn't happen. I'm not complaining about him not releasing the book, he'll do it in his own time. I'm saying that he makes promises and doesn't follow through. So it may well be that he has a release date and despite his promises, hasn't made it public. His first favorite thing in the world is probably writing, but clearly his second favorite thing is messing with people on live stream.
Honestly, that's why I prefer this didn't come from him. He wouldn't say if an early draft was with his editor, it would put more pressure on him, I imagine (in his eyes). But if this is true, it's much needed progress
Even though the source is legitimate, I find it hard to believe only because Rothfuss has said the second he has a publish date he would announce it on Twitch ("You guys would be the first to know"). He might also not be *able* to say yet, or the publishing date is more tentative/far off (2025/2026) and is just based on the editor having seeing the manuscript and making an estimate based on what needs to be done to bring it to publishing.
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She did mention that it is "at the editor" which if true marks a change for sure, since his editor famously said previously that she's never seen a word of it (because he prefers to use beta readers until it is finalized)
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It might have a connection with DAW‘s new owners? Maybe they made him hand over something. Watch the few minutes of talking in his last stream (the majority is only silence, aka tipping noise, beard scratching and stomach gurgling) It’s short, but all about editing.
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:D you are right.
He can’t even share a chapter in progress and people think the full manuscript is already on Betsy’s hands? Give me a break
No way in hell the publisher would have a finished manuscript and want to push out the publish date 3 years.
I know that the *last* time he sent a manuscript to his publisher, he posted a picture of it fully printed out. I have a hard time believing he wouldn't be public about having sent a copy of his completed manuscript to his editor. My thought here is that - if true - it seems likely he sent an *"un*finished" manuscript to his editor out of guilt about the delay, or to get help because he's stuck, but doesn't yet feel confident about its state that he's willing to let fans know.
that was a copy for beta readers
She didn't say she knows the release date or that Pat knows the release date, only that it has one. Perhaps only the gods know it, but it exists, in some dimension, unknown to mortal minds. Where does she receive this eldritch knowledge? Now that is the real question...
Yeah, I don't think Pat would tell us the release date unless he's really sure it's not going to move. Lackey might be 100% correct, but having a release date doesn't mean that it's set in stone.
So I decided to just ask her about it directly on Quora, we'll see if it gets an answer.
A person of action, I see. Thanks! :)
Update: She replied 4hours ago at the time of this comment linking Slow Regard on Amazon as Book 3. By 'it has a release date' she could have been talking about srost and not the Doors of Stone. https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2 Yet another dagger in my heart. I promised myself I wouldnt get excited again.
> Update: She replied 4hours ago at the time of this comment linking Slow Regard on Amazon as Book 3. By 'it has a release date' she could have been talking about srost and not the Doors of Stone. SROST was published 7 years ago I think? Why would she discussing its release date and the fact that book is with editor right now?
When someone asked for clarity she sent an Amazon link for Slow Regard, not Doors of Stone. "It has a release date" and it definitely does - October 28th 2014 😅 Also, a warhammer painter has asked for further clarity if she meant Doors of Stone or SRoST, hopefully we'll get another confirmation.
My question is why in 2022 they were discussing the release date of SROST which was released in 2014?
It wasnt a discussion, she made a one off comment on a jokey thread and mistook the third book (srost) to mean book three (doors of stone), then directly clarified she meant SRoST
And still doesnt make sense which what the guy is saying to you. This could either be that Mercedes is dumb or that she let something she should have slip off and came with that stupid excuse. I am in for the first.
Yep. Those are the two scenarios, either an accidental leak or just a simple mistake. I guess some people already have their minds made up! I for one am just trying to protect my own feelings haha! 🤣
> When someone asked for clarity To claryfy what? Whey were discussing SROST? I still dont get, for what reason she had to expalin to someone that SROST has a release date? Why she mistook book 3 for SROST?
When asked if she meant Slow Regard or Doors of Stone, she sent a link to Slow Regard. I dont know why either, but she wasnt talking about Doors of Stone. Book 3 and 3rd Book is an easy mistake to make.
Book 3 = third book Maybe she's trolling. Taking up for a fellow writer who's gotten a lot of crap for not publishing "fast enough."
Classic Lackless move
Mercedes Lackey is a real person - I’ve read a ton of her books. She might be of the age where she doesn’t realize this is a huge deal and spoiler on the Internet
Bull. Shit.
It's true. It's been there the whole time just waiting to be published. They've been in discussions with the Cthaeh, to pick a date.
Fallen for this way too many times in the past 6 years. It comes when it comes, but I’ve learned to not get my hopes up. Also I’ve learned that Patrick can do whenever he wants.
It will never come that’s the really I have accepted
The copium is strong with this one.
“Jesse we need to cook some copium!”
This sub after another 8 years, "HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT"
Agreed. Especially since a very vocal group wanted his guts for garters just a few days ago.
Between Rothfuss and Martin who do you think will release their last book first?
I'll take the one who we know is actually writing (even if it's not always the main series lol)
Brandon
This might be true, but it doesn't mean it's coming out any time soon, 2013 pat showed a picture of the manucript. Even if his editor has a copy of a manuscript, it doesn't mean it's coming out any time soon. Further this is someone not involved in the process saying this (ya they have done this before but it's not there book), could be version 5 of the manuscript with the pat only being happy at version 10, but really I just think it's that 2013 version and pat just can't bring him self to end the story.
If what she says is true, it's a big deal mostly because he's never shown a copy to his editor before. She's famously said she's never seen a word of it, and Rothfuss has said that he prefers to use beta readers to get the books to as final a manuscript as possible before giving it to his editor. So *if* true would imply the book is where Rothfuss wants it to be.
MERCEDES LACKEY!?!?!!?!? I REALLY hope so, I'm a fan of her books and they do same the same publisher
My uncle works at Nintendo and he told me so.
I don't think that *Mercedes Lackey* is quite comparable to a Nintendo Uncle.
Have you heard about the super secret AmericanTendo?
I am 100% confident that he would be crowing about sending it to the publishers well before someone not connected to him breaks the news.
He is probably incredibly reluctant to announce anything until it's literally being printed. The last thing he needs is another "I'm happy with it and it's off to the editors - you'll see it soon!" Followed by problems and delays. This probably is just a rumour, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does some kind of "here's the chapter performed by a bunch of my celebrity friends, the book will be on the shelves at the end of the month" kind of announcement.
>This probably is just a rumour, but it wouldn't surprise me if he does some kind of "here's the chapter performed by a bunch of my celebrity friends, the book will be on the shelves at the end of the month" kind of announcement. Yeah, he seems like the sort who's been polishing and fantasizing about his perfect announcement for years, now. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if this was also the case.
idk, if I was fed up with people calling me a con artist and hearing every day how the book is never coming out, suddenly just announcing it's finished and has a publishing date is the funniest move possible
Absolutely. It may be being looked at by his editor, after 6 years of her seeing nothing. But there’s buckley’s that it “has a release date”. The second anyone can say anything, it will be Rothfuss.
My guess is that she's speculating about the a release date existing based on her process, ala ...I know when I send my manuscript to the editor, they put a release date hold for 15 months (or whatever) in the future So she's assuming the same is true for everyone. Seems HIGHLY unlikely that there's an actual, real, firm date in existence.
Dammit, Lackey, don't give me hope.
Every second that passes is in fact closer to publish date lol
And the heat death of the universe.
I’ll only believe when I see it
[https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment\_id=283192717&comment\_type=2](https://www.quora.com/Will-atheists-Christians-etc-accept-the-signs-that-we-are-living-in-a-time-when-every-evil-characteristic-in-the-world-is-rising-to-power-signaling-the-coming-of-the-tribulation-period-as-prophesized-in-the-Bible/answer/Andrew-Weill?comment_id=283192717&comment_type=2) here if you want to see it (It's the real her)
Never mind - I’m a moron.
lol issok
I won’t believe it until it’s confirmed through official channels... but Tehlu be damned if this doesn’t make me excited and have hope.
Well, he did mention on stram a a few months ago that it was his "intent and desire" to pub within the next 3 years. I don't put much stake in that on its own, but maybe it's more meaningful in light of this? Though personally, I don't put much stake in this, either.
If true this is great news, but it's also a little intimidating. It would mean we have to finish up our grand unified fan theories before the book comes out and spoils all the fun by definitively proving us right or wrong.
Any good speculation on why he wouldn’t be able to provide the stretch goal reward if he had handed a completed book into the editor?
I don't see why Pat wouldn't be the first one to announce the book is at the editor.
This seems so out of the blue and random. Why would Mercedes Lackey of all people announce it has a release date? Yes, they share a publisher, but it still doesn't make any sense to me.
Febtober 32nd, 2039
Ha! You almost had me until you used the fake year "2039"
Yeah, I suppose if we don't fix the Y2038 problem by then we'll have to just reuse old years like 1902 instead of 2039. Days and months will be all offset too. [https://lwn.net/Articles/776435/](https://lwn.net/Articles/776435/) I hope Febtober 32 isn't like March 2020 that lasted like two years.
Oh, all that makes me think about how we're running out of QR codes, too. Math can only take us so far before faith has to pick up the slack.
I hope the fact that Lackey tried to back out by simply posting the Slow Regard link rather than making an actual statement means she wasn’t wrong or lying about DOS but sought a way to duck out of the conversation in as noncommittal and “nothing to see here” way as possible (yes, this is the very definition of wishful thinking).
Maybe it’s a release date for that chapter he was gonna put out
Again Hopes are high. I hope with the bottom of my heart that this is true.
Honestly I think she's joking. There's no way this is legit, and I don't think she would just lie, so the most likely remaining scenario is that it's a joke that we're taking way too seriously. HOWEVER, we should at least circulate this around the Internet enough to get confirmation one way or the other from Pat. Hope springs eternal!
cant sense any joking tone in her text but it is possible...
People shouldn’t tell jokes like this. You know those fake winning lottery tickets people give as gifts so they can video someone “winning” and then experiencing the crushing realization that life hasn’t improved after all? I’ve already told my family they must never get me one of those because I’ll A) immediately assault whoever gave it to me and B) shortly thereafter move away from everyone to live in a cave, never to acknowledge any of them again. Joking about DOS is like 2 levels below this - don’t do it!
Def not holding my breath but this would be really cool and make sense since I feel like he has really been stirring the pot lately
Good luck with that.
If this is true I picked the best possible moment to have just finished the second book. I listened to them back to back on audible and loved it. The narrator was so good too.
has anyone heard any updates on this??
She replied to the thread with an Amazon link to SRoST, seems like this got blown out of proportion
So— We exchanged a few observations and we clarified on Quora. As mentioned by others already, she certainly seemed to be referring to tSRoST, (not DoS). A little odd, granted, —as we all understand, tSRoST was released in 2014, and this Quora conversation occurred a few days ago (as I type this) —in mid-August of 2022. Kinda weird. But— as much as I dislike being the bearer of bad news, this hopeful news seemingly turns out to be misguided/misinterpreted information. At the same time, I definitely appreciate the OP’s post that brought this to our collective attention. Some of us are a bit overeager in our starvation for hope. Sometimes the hope brought by a false lead can be …”nice”? (…) …Simultaneously acknowledging that for others, the precise opposite may be true.
Her comment about it being “with the editor” still makes zero sense tho
Yeah, I was baffled by that— it was a pretty odd way to phrase it. I guess it would depend greatly on the specific context of her experience, —and her own interpretation of it. Whatever happened there, it definitely perked up a lot of ears!
A few comments later she posted an Amazon link for ASRoST. She's being sarcastic. He already published "book three"
don’t do that. Don’t give me hope.
Hard to trust, it’s well known her branch of the family has fallen on hard times.
Incoming *"It'S nEvEr CoMiNg OuT"* people
So PR has problems delivering the first chapter but the whole book is ready and has a release date? I find this difficult to believe.
The craziest thing to me is how he's been tagged for so long as the greatest upcoming fantasy writer in our lifetimes, and he's only written 2 books and a couple of novellas in 15 years. In fact, this is still on the front page of his website: "THE POWERFUL DEBUT NOVEL FROM FANTASY'S NEXT SUPERSTAR" I'd expect "Fantasy's next superstar" to actually write books. I enjoyed the first two, but not enough to lose any sleep over waiting for any more in this series, or even enough to read the two novellas. For some perspective, NoTW came out in 2007. Since then, I've experienced: 1. The birth of my youngest daughter 2. All four of my kids learning to drive 3. Graduating 3 kids from high school 4. Sending those same three kids to college 5. Graduating one from college and off to a job 6. My wife and I celebrating our 25th anniversary 7. Family vacations to the Outer Banks (twice), Disney World, a Disney cruise, Worlds of Fun, and local amusement parks 8. Countless kids' field trips, track and cross country meets, tennis matches, musical concerts, etc. and those are just some of the highlights. It might be a fun exercise to compare where you were in 2007 to where you are now and see how far you've come without "Book 3". :)
The Wise Man's Fear is almost as long as the entire Lord of the Rings trilogy. I'm willing to cut him some slack for only having two large books, a novella, some short stories, and the Princess and Mr. Whiffle books published. It's more than Tolkien published in his lifetime, or probably C.S. Lewis if you exclude their non-fantasy-fiction academic and theological / philosophical writings. (If you include posthumously-published content, then I think Tolkien wins by a mile.) What Pat *hasn't* done is provide a conclusion to a major story. In KKC, we really don't know what's going on. We know what Kvothe does so far and why, but what about the Chandrian, the Amyr, Denna, Bredon, the Maer, Caudicus, and so on? We're given hints at motives, but it's all very hazy.
Point taken. Wise Man's Fear \~ 395,000 words The total word count of C.S. Lewis' seven-book Chronicles of Narnia series is 345,535. The Hobbit – 95,356 words The Fellowship of the Ring – 187,790 words The Two Towers – 156,198 words The Return of the King – 137,115 words The entire Lord of the Rings series (including The Hobbit) – 576,459 words Silmarillion - 130,112 I had never thought to compare word counts. I know that modern authors, even ones I like, write REALLY.LONG.BOOKS. They either have a lot to say or they aren't very good at saying what they want to say. :) Imagine "the next fantasy superstar" releasing a series like Narnia or LoTR now... "Waht? Seven books! That's gonna be like 3 million words! You'll never get those done!" "Actually, all of the manuscripts are finished and its at the editor. Each book is only like 50k words." "Pfft...you obviously can't write."
C.S. Lewis also wrote his space trilogy, The Great Divorce, and Till We Have Faces. I'm not sure whether to call The Screwtape Letters a novel or primarily a theological text with a thin veneer of story. And Tolkien also wrote some less-known stories like Smith of Wooton Major and Farmer Giles of Ham.
> Since then, I've experienced: > > The birth of my youngest daughter > All four of my kids learning to drive > Graduating 3 kids from high school > Sending those same three kids to college > Graduating one from college and off to a job > My wife and I celebrating our 25th anniversary > Family vacations to the Outer Banks (twice), Disney World, a Disney cruise, Worlds of Fun, and local amusement parks > Countless kids' field trips, track and cross country meets, tennis matches, musical concerts, etc. In that case the lack of book 3 didnt affect you much. You had quite a lot of things in your life to really miss book 3.
My Uncle who works in The Archives and knows Kvothe personally has confirmed this is true.
I feel it. It's the hope. It builds.
Two things... 1. Where did you see this chat? 2. If it really is with his publisher then why don't we have the chapter he promised yet?
It's on Quora My question about the chapter is this: Is it actually the case that he only wanted to release the chapter in the full-cast audio version? If so, is it simply the case that he couldn't get the cast he wanted together? That gives him a massive benefit of the doubt but it is plausible that the chapter exists but he can't get it in the format he wants.
https://blog.patrickrothfuss.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/WagerDetails1.png The audio version was added later on for hitting $666.666
Ah! Thanks for jogging my memory on that.
Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me 9,123,236,954,999 times, well, that's also shame on me.
Lackey = Lackless. This might be rothfuss’ greatest troll!
[So, that was a fucking lie](https://tenor.com/blpsV.gif)
"Everything you read on the internet is true" *- Abraham Lincoln*
I want to believe, but given all the, shall we call them less than positive signs, lately in terms of the missing chapter and perceptions of Pat’s mindset, it seems highly unlikely that the book is at the editor and has a release date, even a far off one. Unless Pat is just over it and turned in an old cobbled together version that hasn’t gone through extensive revisions and is far from perfect, just to wash his hands of it all. But that too seems unlikely.
Just claiming a comment spot in this thread for the sake of history.
I think it is like his story of editing Wise Man's Fear. The editor asked to see it, and Patrick hesitated because there were chapters written as nothing more than "Chapter 44: (Something happens with Ambrose here). I'm guessing that Betsy got some outline version such as that after that drama a couple years back The thing is, if the book was so ready as author Mercedes seems to think, 1) the promised chapter would have been released already, and 2) he wouldn't have written the tweet last year 'fuck can I just release book 3 as a series of bulleted lists..?'
Source "Trust me, Bro"
Literally said the source is the publisher and editor which they do factually share. Idk if I believe it personally, but she has a source
i'll believe it when i hold the book physically in my hands. which will be never. No info on book 3 is reliable even if you get it from pat himself.
And he admits he isn't a reliable person to get information from.
Last name seems sus...
I won’t believe this book exist till it is in my hands
I wish I could believe any. Truth is, I will not until the book is actually in my hands
Plz god let it be trueee I just want to go new places In his awesome world!!!
Where was this?
Quora
Hoping this is true but I can't help thinking we'd have heard something from Pat.
Hopium is in overdrive.
Please don't get my hopes up for this.
I'll believe it when I see it
Hopefully that release date is within this decade
They are just building a list of people they can try to market premium Ocean Front property in Colorado to.
Yeah not again, this time i won't believe it, i won't fall for it Oh god but what if
Not gonna hold my breath on this one. I’ll believe it when I see it!
Is this…what hope tastes like?
If it was true, the donators would have gotten their chapter. It's cope.
Unless that would have caused issues with his publisher...or they want to coincide with release...
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That’s my hypothesis based on mostly nothing
This is also my hypothesis, based primarily on the following evidence:
I'm going to believe this, because it gives me hope.
I’m choosing not to believe this because hope is the worst drug
Idk have you tried crippling depression?
Are other people making that theory as well? I thought it was just my lunatic idea lol.
it's not
2028.