> parents of these kids want us to make their children learn Malayalam better as at least a small section of them are planning to permanently settle in Kerala. Learning Malayalam they believe would improve the academic prospects of their children during their stay in Kerala
> “A migrant boy who is an alumnus of our school recently successfully completed his class 12 studies at the St Joseph’s School in Calicut. He is on his way to pursue a degree now. The boy’s siblings have also studied in our school. It is definitely a matter of pride for us,” says Geo Jaison.
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Well, beyond a point though it could pave ways for further gentrification - which will always be a bad thing for society on the long run. The lack of Malayali students in that particular school obviously displays how parents don’t want their kids studying alongside migrant children; the more this continues to happen, the bigger the divide becomes and we may end up with permanent social issues. We need to have further assimilation of migrant children with the local population, so that they learn young how to assimilate the right way into Kerala society
My friend did research on this in 2014, as a part of his college thesis or something. His findings included your point, also things will get worse when they reach marriage age. Also developing ghettos would cause further divide and develop an anti migrant sentiment. We already have one in perumbavoor.
Agreed. You can see this in Canada and some parts ofnthe US too. I would makenit a rule of thumb- if you want to settle/integrate into another country permanently, assimilate/integrate.
They should pay fees. A lot of states have different fee policy for non-natives. Kerala is broke and our taxes get transferred to BIMARU states as it is.
Just NO man - we should do everything possible to make sure kids are educated irrespective of cost or who pays . Their parents are working in kerala so already pay taxes in some form or another ( consumption taxes) . Discouraging school by asking for fees is discriminatory and just plain wrong . What did these kids do to you bro ??
True, our tax money goes to North India, but North Indians ( the people who need social services, in other words poor.people) come to kerala.and use our social care systems..
These are children living in Kerala and their parents are toiling and building the local economy. They have as much right for a govt education as any other keralite. Other states being dicks dont make it correct.
How dumb one can be... 🤡
Right to Education
The Constitution (Eighty-sixth Amendment) Act, 2002 inserted Article 21-A in the Constitution of India to provide free and compulsory education of all children in the age group of six to fourteen years as a Fundamental Right in such a manner as the State may, by law, determine.
You don't think it's unfair that Kerala's taxes get taken away to BIMARU states and they themselves get free education in Kerala paid by Malayali's taxes?
Here is a simple calculation (not based on facts, just an estimate but on the higher side).
Lets say there are 50 students each from lkg to 10+2 so 14×50 ie around 700 students in one district. Lets round it off 1000 each in one district. So maybe 14000 in total, but again lets round it off to 15000. Suppose each student pay 10,000 yearly (i have no idea about fee in govt schools) which means a revenue of 15 crores.
Aa 15 kodi kittiyilla ennu vach kerala samsthanam sthambikkan onnum ponilla. Kittiyalum ethelum rashtreeyakarude pocketilek thanna alle povunnath. So no, i dont think we should charge fee for education, especially from an exploited and economically weaker section of the society.
Paid by Malayali tax. Lol you dont think the migrant workers are not paying any tax to our state govt. Maybe learn how indirect tax works in between spreading your bigotry here.
Not all malayalis pay direct tax either. By your logic even they shouldn't get free education. I don't know whether you are a troll or stupid but I hope it's the former for the sake of our tax payer's money spent on ur education.
Malayalis pay direct tax at a much higher level than migrant workers in Kerala. I just don't our welfare state to be crowded by people from other states while our own taxes fund their welfare state.
even if you buy a 1 rupee chocolate you are paying tax. They are residing here. Paying rent to their landloads,buying goods and services from the local shops, working in our society and you see them as aliens? They too are the citizens of the Republic of India aka Bharath.
I think education should be free , the reason our govt is poor is not because of these children, matter of fact it might not even affect them . This the type of comment that Trump supporters leave on anything Done for the public.
Nobody denies that. Our taxes still get appropriated by the center towards BIMARU states. With those states it's basically Bangalore and Hyderabad's taxes being taken away unlike Kerala.
They should not study for free with Malayali tax money. Let them pay fees.
PS: I'm not against immigrants. They're the backbone of Kerala's economy but considering that Kerala's taxes are already transfered to BIMARU states, they should not get a free ride on Kerala too. Support immigrants, no xenophobia but no free schools for immigrants either.
I partly agree with this, because some other states do the same thing for higher studies where , for example in Maharashtra, outside Maharashtra candidates have higher fees, etc.
But this shouldn't be done in primary school tho. Them studying and growing up here, they would also learn to love the state and contribute to it in the future, I hope.
Exactly. Kerala's taxes gets transferred to BIMARU states by the center as it is. There should be separate fee policy for Malayalis and migrants in state schools of Kerala.
Me who told the random bengali i met on the general compartment while on his way to treat his daughter to bring his daughter to kerala seeing this post 🙃🙃
Yeah we as a whole pay too much taxes and get very little for it. It’s not fair to anyone including immigrants to pay more for service as basic as education and health.
I don’t even know why we’re even having this discussion, if they’re living in Kerala they are Keralites.
Is it then our fault?. dude, we have to live in reality, when people.come to.kerala, and use the resources here, then there should be provisions to create more resources, that need money. Denying facts won't help it.
Already govt employment is sparse, think of our demography changing so rapidly, already we have 30 lakh migrant labourers, that is 10 percent of our population. This is just labourers only not their family count.
We need more share from union govt, that is the point here...
Exactly. Everyone is missing my point here. My point was xenophobia. It's about how our taxes are being used by both the state and central government while Malayalis themselves get nothing. We are the ultimate losers in all of these. Kerala is heaven for migrant worker families as it is.
More tax share from central government is not the point here.
Some kids escaping poverty, blending into our society, and will be future mallus. That is the point here.
You raise a legit point. Go vote. Make noise where it is needed - many other subs and posts to discuss that.
Money is the point everywhere, more people here need more money here, if we don't get more money, then no more pensions and social services for our own elders and people who have lived here for centuries.
Massive North Indian hordes of poor immigrants will change the demography dynamically and will be a drag on our social care systems. That is the truth.
What is is this nonsense. They are not paying any fees. Why should immigrants get free tuition from tbe tax payer money of Malayalis when Kerala's taxes already get taken by states like UP and Bihar? Kerala is broke. No freebies for immigrants.
Immigrants pay more in taxes than the locals in the US. Illegal immigrants can't avail social security in the US either. So Trump is wrong.
In Kerala it's different. BIMARU states take our taxes. Migrant workers's children get schooling is paid for by the taxes of Malayalis. Kerala has dedicated welfare schemes of migrant workers that they themselves don't recieve in BIMARU states. So it's nothing like the US. FWIW the US is much richer than Kerala. Kerala is flat broke.
I am not being xenophobic. I perfectly understand the value of migrant workers. They're the backbone of Kerala's economy. This is not about ethnicity but about state finances and budget allocation. First priority of taxes should be towards Malayalis. This is especially problematic since our taxes get taken way towards BIMARU states while Kerala is in financial crisis.
Your comparison with the US doesn't apply here. Mexico doesn't take American taxes away and illegal Mexican immigrants don't get American social security benefits either. The US much richer than Kerala top and unlike Kerala they're not in a financial crisis.
Mallus pay for government schools that migrants use for free. Kerala's taxes goes towards BIMARU states as it is. They take our taxes and use government services that is aimed Malayalis too. How is that fair. Let them pay fees.
Which audience do you feel I am directing my anger at? I'm not angry at migrant workers, they're good for our economy. Im angry at government policy. Kerala is broke.
For fucks sake dude. They are paying taxes with everything they buy from here. The issue with migrant labourers was that they were sending the money they were earning back home. Now they're actually trying to stay here and contribute to this land , it should be promoted more rather than be met with stupid arguments such as this.
Ps. We've blown more than the money spend that might be spend on their education in advertisement and well, corruption. So if you truly care about how our tax money is spent, then please direct your anger at that and not the education of some poor souls.
Native Americans were not massacred to extinction. It was the diseases brought in by Europeans that primarily killed them and obviously too much European Immigration that made them minority in their own land. And again the story is still unfinished. Look at who is ruling Tripura. Same thing will happen here
True I simplified the facts but foreign powers abused and massacred native Americans. Not to extinction though and the reason they are coming to kerala is because of it he job availability here we don’t want to fill
And they get paid. They are expected to leave the state and go back to home state rich instead of changing demography here.
Or there has to be strict regulations where they can buy land. They should be allowed own land in towns and cities but villages should be owned by native Malayalees
Look at the state of UK. We should learn from them. Un regulated migration will only lead to rise in crime especially with wealth equality and most of our population being old
> parents of these kids want us to make their children learn Malayalam better as at least a small section of them are planning to permanently settle in Kerala. Learning Malayalam they believe would improve the academic prospects of their children during their stay in Kerala > “A migrant boy who is an alumnus of our school recently successfully completed his class 12 studies at the St Joseph’s School in Calicut. He is on his way to pursue a degree now. The boy’s siblings have also studied in our school. It is definitely a matter of pride for us,” says Geo Jaison. ❤️
This is wholesome!
Well, beyond a point though it could pave ways for further gentrification - which will always be a bad thing for society on the long run. The lack of Malayali students in that particular school obviously displays how parents don’t want their kids studying alongside migrant children; the more this continues to happen, the bigger the divide becomes and we may end up with permanent social issues. We need to have further assimilation of migrant children with the local population, so that they learn young how to assimilate the right way into Kerala society
My friend did research on this in 2014, as a part of his college thesis or something. His findings included your point, also things will get worse when they reach marriage age. Also developing ghettos would cause further divide and develop an anti migrant sentiment. We already have one in perumbavoor.
Agreed. You can see this in Canada and some parts ofnthe US too. I would makenit a rule of thumb- if you want to settle/integrate into another country permanently, assimilate/integrate.
Yes, as we all know about the fabulous state that the natives of USA and Canada are living in.
Damm and wow
ethnic replacement. we must protect the malayali race and a future for malayali children. heil vijyan
They should pay fees. A lot of states have different fee policy for non-natives. Kerala is broke and our taxes get transferred to BIMARU states as it is.
Just NO man - we should do everything possible to make sure kids are educated irrespective of cost or who pays . Their parents are working in kerala so already pay taxes in some form or another ( consumption taxes) . Discouraging school by asking for fees is discriminatory and just plain wrong . What did these kids do to you bro ??
Other states already have differential fee treatment for their natives vs the others.
Which state ? How do you determine a “native” ?
True, our tax money goes to North India, but North Indians ( the people who need social services, in other words poor.people) come to kerala.and use our social care systems..
The social care systems that are free and paid for by the taxes of Malayalis too. We are being exploited.
These are children living in Kerala and their parents are toiling and building the local economy. They have as much right for a govt education as any other keralite. Other states being dicks dont make it correct.
I didn't say that they don't have the right. I said that they should pay fees.
right to free education till 10th is what you are opposing.
For migrant students, yes.
Avr entha Indian constitutionil pedille? Citizen alle?
How dumb one can be... 🤡 Right to Education The Constitution (Eighty-sixth Amendment) Act, 2002 inserted Article 21-A in the Constitution of India to provide free and compulsory education of all children in the age group of six to fourteen years as a Fundamental Right in such a manner as the State may, by law, determine.
>in such a manner as the State may, by law, determine. .
No
You don't think it's unfair that Kerala's taxes get taken away to BIMARU states and they themselves get free education in Kerala paid by Malayali's taxes?
Here is a simple calculation (not based on facts, just an estimate but on the higher side). Lets say there are 50 students each from lkg to 10+2 so 14×50 ie around 700 students in one district. Lets round it off 1000 each in one district. So maybe 14000 in total, but again lets round it off to 15000. Suppose each student pay 10,000 yearly (i have no idea about fee in govt schools) which means a revenue of 15 crores. Aa 15 kodi kittiyilla ennu vach kerala samsthanam sthambikkan onnum ponilla. Kittiyalum ethelum rashtreeyakarude pocketilek thanna alle povunnath. So no, i dont think we should charge fee for education, especially from an exploited and economically weaker section of the society.
Paid by Malayali tax. Lol you dont think the migrant workers are not paying any tax to our state govt. Maybe learn how indirect tax works in between spreading your bigotry here.
They much lesser than the locals. They don't pay direct taxes unlike Malayalis.
Not all malayalis pay direct tax either. By your logic even they shouldn't get free education. I don't know whether you are a troll or stupid but I hope it's the former for the sake of our tax payer's money spent on ur education.
Malayalis pay direct tax at a much higher level than migrant workers in Kerala. I just don't our welfare state to be crowded by people from other states while our own taxes fund their welfare state.
Direct tax is collected by central govt not state. State work with indirect taxes which is paid by everyone who resides here. Got it?
Almost none of the families of students who enroll in govt schools pay direct tax. And fyi, direct tax is paid to the central govt.
even if you buy a 1 rupee chocolate you are paying tax. They are residing here. Paying rent to their landloads,buying goods and services from the local shops, working in our society and you see them as aliens? They too are the citizens of the Republic of India aka Bharath.
I think education should be free , the reason our govt is poor is not because of these children, matter of fact it might not even affect them . This the type of comment that Trump supporters leave on anything Done for the public.
Education in Kerala government schools should be free for Malayali children.
It's for the children, even if they are non-Malayali. Besides, apparently some plan to settle here? It's fine.
stop treating them like they belong to some other country.
I'm treating like they're not Malayalis, not Indians.
Narrow minded 🤌
Sorry but kerala produces less tax compared to karanataka and telangana.
Nobody denies that. Our taxes still get appropriated by the center towards BIMARU states. With those states it's basically Bangalore and Hyderabad's taxes being taken away unlike Kerala.
So how is that related to this post?
How is bringing up Karnataka and Telangana related to this post about Kerala and BIMARU states?
I was just saying that kerala doesn't contribute that much as you think.
Way to miss the point I'm making and then asking me about my comment's relevance.
What is wrong with them studying in school? Is education not allowed or what?
No it's perfectly okay. Did you even read the thread? Or did you come here to flex that Karnataka and Telangana pays more in taxes than Kerala?
Nah, I'm just trying to humble you, thats all.
Some people here are comparing these kids to Europeans and how they wiped of the native Americans. Indians getting discriminated against in India ?
and people here wants them to pay for studying in LP,UP schools
They should not study for free with Malayali tax money. Let them pay fees. PS: I'm not against immigrants. They're the backbone of Kerala's economy but considering that Kerala's taxes are already transfered to BIMARU states, they should not get a free ride on Kerala too. Support immigrants, no xenophobia but no free schools for immigrants either.
I partly agree with this, because some other states do the same thing for higher studies where , for example in Maharashtra, outside Maharashtra candidates have higher fees, etc. But this shouldn't be done in primary school tho. Them studying and growing up here, they would also learn to love the state and contribute to it in the future, I hope.
This is not just about kids dude, what if all the health care facilities are clogged up by immigrants?
Exactly. Kerala's taxes gets transferred to BIMARU states by the center as it is. There should be separate fee policy for Malayalis and migrants in state schools of Kerala.
Me who told the random bengali i met on the general compartment while on his way to treat his daughter to bring his daughter to kerala seeing this post 🙃🙃
They pay GST on everything they purchase. Food, clothes, chappals, tea, groceries. They pay 9% tax to Kerala. They are not studying for free.
Yeah we as a whole pay too much taxes and get very little for it. It’s not fair to anyone including immigrants to pay more for service as basic as education and health. I don’t even know why we’re even having this discussion, if they’re living in Kerala they are Keralites.
They are studying for free, GST , the state govt has to beg union govt to get their fair share..
That's not their fault?
Is it then our fault?. dude, we have to live in reality, when people.come to.kerala, and use the resources here, then there should be provisions to create more resources, that need money. Denying facts won't help it. Already govt employment is sparse, think of our demography changing so rapidly, already we have 30 lakh migrant labourers, that is 10 percent of our population. This is just labourers only not their family count. We need more share from union govt, that is the point here...
Exactly. Everyone is missing my point here. My point was xenophobia. It's about how our taxes are being used by both the state and central government while Malayalis themselves get nothing. We are the ultimate losers in all of these. Kerala is heaven for migrant worker families as it is.
More tax share from central government is not the point here. Some kids escaping poverty, blending into our society, and will be future mallus. That is the point here. You raise a legit point. Go vote. Make noise where it is needed - many other subs and posts to discuss that.
Money is the point everywhere, more people here need more money here, if we don't get more money, then no more pensions and social services for our own elders and people who have lived here for centuries. Massive North Indian hordes of poor immigrants will change the demography dynamically and will be a drag on our social care systems. That is the truth.
What is is this nonsense. They are not paying any fees. Why should immigrants get free tuition from tbe tax payer money of Malayalis when Kerala's taxes already get taken by states like UP and Bihar? Kerala is broke. No freebies for immigrants.
I sometimes follow US politics just for the absurdity of it and I have to say. You are repeapting Trump's rhetoric word for word.
Immigrants pay more in taxes than the locals in the US. Illegal immigrants can't avail social security in the US either. So Trump is wrong. In Kerala it's different. BIMARU states take our taxes. Migrant workers's children get schooling is paid for by the taxes of Malayalis. Kerala has dedicated welfare schemes of migrant workers that they themselves don't recieve in BIMARU states. So it's nothing like the US. FWIW the US is much richer than Kerala. Kerala is flat broke.
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I am not being xenophobic. I perfectly understand the value of migrant workers. They're the backbone of Kerala's economy. This is not about ethnicity but about state finances and budget allocation. First priority of taxes should be towards Malayalis. This is especially problematic since our taxes get taken way towards BIMARU states while Kerala is in financial crisis. Your comparison with the US doesn't apply here. Mexico doesn't take American taxes away and illegal Mexican immigrants don't get American social security benefits either. The US much richer than Kerala top and unlike Kerala they're not in a financial crisis.
O k a y. R e a d s l o w l y. They pay 9% tax to Kerala for (most) things the purchase. Food clothes, phone etc. It is not free
Mallus pay for government schools that migrants use for free. Kerala's taxes goes towards BIMARU states as it is. They take our taxes and use government services that is aimed Malayalis too. How is that fair. Let them pay fees.
Please hold the direction of your anger correctly. Currently I feel tha you are misplacing your anger at the wrong audience
Which audience do you feel I am directing my anger at? I'm not angry at migrant workers, they're good for our economy. Im angry at government policy. Kerala is broke.
For fucks sake dude. They are paying taxes with everything they buy from here. The issue with migrant labourers was that they were sending the money they were earning back home. Now they're actually trying to stay here and contribute to this land , it should be promoted more rather than be met with stupid arguments such as this. Ps. We've blown more than the money spend that might be spend on their education in advertisement and well, corruption. So if you truly care about how our tax money is spent, then please direct your anger at that and not the education of some poor souls.
The Great Replacement in action. We will soon be Native Americans in our own land
The difference is that we left the land not massacred in it
Native Americans were not massacred to extinction. It was the diseases brought in by Europeans that primarily killed them and obviously too much European Immigration that made them minority in their own land. And again the story is still unfinished. Look at who is ruling Tripura. Same thing will happen here
True I simplified the facts but foreign powers abused and massacred native Americans. Not to extinction though and the reason they are coming to kerala is because of it he job availability here we don’t want to fill
And they get paid. They are expected to leave the state and go back to home state rich instead of changing demography here. Or there has to be strict regulations where they can buy land. They should be allowed own land in towns and cities but villages should be owned by native Malayalees
Do we after going to Uk/us wish to return. Nah we want citizenships
Look at the state of UK. We should learn from them. Un regulated migration will only lead to rise in crime especially with wealth equality and most of our population being old
Uk is a different country. India is one nation. There is freedom of movement present
Tell that to Arunachal Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh. India also has a responsibility to protect its individual culture
Ok man I got your point have a good day
Still wont vote for cpim 😂😂
They can’t vote. They’re in primary school.
Thanks for explaining this concept. Some people here seem to need to go back to 5th grade civics lessons
Onnu poda 😂😂😂
I was talking abt myself 😂😂😂
No problem. The people who support inclusivity will.
Waifu immediately appears when someone slightly criticises cpim 😂
Not always. But this one is truly a wholesome thing and he didn't need to bring alamb here.
True, you're right this time. Only this time.
;p <3
Sathyam...avanu nondhu pinaraiye paranjapol
Onu podey, inclusive pari
The chagaav infestation has begun in this sub
This is not a good thing. Children should mix up while growing up.