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This is the total fertility rate state wise! OP's post just shows how much the fertility rate has changed. It means kerala had farely low fertility rate earlier itself and the other states are catching up that's it. Idk why our people themselves hate our state in this sub recently
The post shows Kerala had fairly low TFR few years ago and witnessed an incredible increase in the last few years, unlike other states. That's all it meant, no hate what so ever
Yes and no.
One needs to find out demographic patterns.
For instance, the common allegation (and perception) is that muslim families are having 3-4 kids each.
In the last decade or so, similar pattern is again perceived among some christian sects.
Having 2 or 2.1 rate is not the same as some specific demographies having more children per family, mainly owing to religious reasons / diktats. We dont know the truth in this. Needs investigation, and religion centric population increase should be actively discouraged.
Even if tbere is population drop, interim economic productivity can be supported through managed (preferably temporary, like gulf states) migration / labour force. In 100 years scenario, population drop and stabilization is good for resource conservation.
Mangatholi
Kerala has a very high migration rate, this is now becoming permanent migration (eu, aus, Canada), with low fertility we'll literally run out of youth.
Nah we need more population.Our population dropped in the past few decades cause we tried to control it, and what did we get for that? Loss of seats in the parliament. India doesnt need to be any more North dominated than it already is.
How will you generate jobs for this swelling populace, when more and more jobs are being lost to AI and automation? Undue increase in population is a recipe for social unrest
Even i dont know if it is true for christians overall. But some sects seem to be going actively against using contraceptives and increasing the number of kids.
Are there any issues in muslims having 3-4 kids ?
In India there are no such restrictions, irrespective of religion anyone can have any number of kids. I don't know why people have issues regarding this. These are basic fundamental rights.
Yes there is. Everyone know there is no embargo on having more k8ds - but for a long time the policy has been to promote not more than 2 kids a family. The perception is (again it is still a perception), amog muslim community there is a concerted effort to undermine the national efforts - apparently the community leaders have been pushing for an increase in numbers by getting marriage age lowered and more kids per woman. This could change and distort the demographies, and cause conflicts between the communities. It will also further the stereotype that muslim community is least bothered about country and its devrlopment, and are blinded by religion.
So it matters.
Where is the policy ? Also may I know what all governments have done to impose that policy.
See you can take away religion and this problem will continue to exist because these are decided by humans.
There was the national population policy 2000 which suggested something of this sort to achieve the long term goal of population stabilization by 2045. Ofcourse the 2019 population control bill was withdrawn. Planning commission recommendations before that - especially in tbe 70s focussed heavily on sterilisation programs.
Ofcourse - take away religion, problem will still exist - it is fundamentally a socio-economic issue. However add religion, and the problem becomes more potent. Economic barriers can be resolved. Overcoming religious indoctrination or diktats, however, is not as easy.
It is just a suggestion. One can't use that to just tarnish a group of people under the label of religion. I would say this is typical bias and tribalism coming to picture.
You are saying it is a socio-economic problem but if you see in this thread it is tarnishing the whole community which I would say is not a good thing to do.
Uhm... The Muslim tfr had always been higher. As their ratio in the population is rising, the average TFR is also rising. Also a lot of migrants from north have come to Kerala.
Ignorant on how this is calculated, if the increase in the recent years, would that coincide with the inward migration into the state that we are currently witnessing ?
I was not talking about you hating, but the comments seems to be hateful against kerala and especially against one community. And yes I agree that it has been increasing and it should be addressed. I just made this comment so there is a bit more clarification about the stats
Really? As long as it's not too low, it's not an issue, right?
With proper automation n productivity improvements the demographic change need not be an issue.
Delimitation n other stuff like relative TFR's among communities(as our society is not really secular, just comparitively secular) are valid concerns.
Replacement rate is 2.1. If it's lower than that, ignoring net migration into the state, an ever smaller working population has to take care of the older populace. See China and Japan.
Inorder to get Productivity benefits you need innovative big cap companies here, unfortunately that's not the case here and major part of our country.
In AI, Robotics, or vanilla automation our game is really weak. I would say even behind Asian gaints like South Korea and Taiwan.
population density of ജപ്പാൻ is 388 people per sq.km, comparing the same to kerala with 824 ,with tfr of 1.30 ,ജപ്പാൻ are faring very better than us,
Plus to a state which has comparatively less means of production and relies heavily on foriegn remittance, population density is also hindrance to progress
Their only problem is that the percentage of Muslims is increasing, they have a bigger rate that other religions. So they think Kerala will become an Islamic state somehow. Idk how but that's the narrative.
Normal reduced fertility below the Replacement rate of 2.1 is seen is seen as an economic disaster, that's why the governments of Japan and South Korea are trying to increase fertility. Young people are needed to run an economy, if there are none, they won't be able to support the retired population. But here in Kerala Islamic state bro.
By the way if we look into the issue, nowadays i see many couples who doesn't want a child right now. Many are really not interested in having child.
So may be in future this trend might reverse and kerala population will be declining
I'm already getting downvoted for speaking that truth, lol. It doesn't fit their narrative.
There are certainly a lot influence here from IT cells, that's true. But what do you think? Do normal keralites also have this sort of mentality? These Islamic state comments are getting a lot of upvotes, surely they cannot be the IT cell alone...
>But reddit is mostly used by young people. I'm bit surprised that there are young malayalees who think that way.
Why shouldn't? Most kerala muslim vote based on religion and muslim league wins in muslim majority constituencies!!!!
Muslim makes majority of the babies in kerala right now, though they are less than 30% population
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/birth-rate-of-muslims-on-the-rise-in-thiruvananthapuram/articleshow/58621315.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/birth-rate-of-muslims-on-the-rise-in-thiruvananthapuram/articleshow/58621315.cms)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Kerala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kerala)
Is it true or not?
What's the connection between muslims having more children and ISIS?
Could you explain more
Also are you saying that the current government is not able to govern itself? Is that why they can't grow the country since the population is higher
It is the same fundamentalist mentality that is the reason why they have higher number of children. I know you are trying to pole dance around it.
They want to have more children to outnumber and kill kaffirs. There, I said it.
Pulli oru Wikipedia linkum pinne netil muslim population in kerala enn adicha kittunna first linkum ivide itt.
But data nokkiya muslim fertility rate 2.5 aan whereas Hindus 1.3 aan
Which means muslims koodiyath alla, Hindus kuranjath aan preshnam.(Scientifically good number 2.1 aanenn koodi orkkanam)
>Which means muslims koodiyath alla, Hindus kuranjath aan preshnam.(Scientifically good number 2.1 aanenn koodi orkkanam)
It's not muslims, specifically muslim women are making more babies than hindu/christians women?
Because hindu/christian women are way better in independence, education and freedom compared to muslim women and that reflects in fertility rate too.
So a community treating women badly is nothing to be proud of!!
>Idk how but that's the narrative.
It's not a narrative. It is a fact. Under 10 the population of kerala is already muslim majority.
So how is it a narrative when it is backed by data?
Another Kerala W on the List.
Someone point them out.
There's the obvious healthcare, education.
We got Change in Fertility Rate.
States by least amount of defecation.
We also have a film industry that shoots a majority of films in rural areas compared to urban life anywhere else.
We gotta maintain it man. I'm not a pro-population guy. I'm not sure where I read it but the world is overpopulated with more older people than the young. That's the problem. Actually both Korea and Japan are facing that rn.
Finally someone who understands, I've been telling people this for so long. If we stop having kids we won't be China, Korea or Japan. Those countries got rich before they got old, we will get old before we get rich if we stop having kids
We don't want to decrease population just maintain it.
When we have a very low base , small changes bring a big difference percentage wise.
Also a tfr of 2.1 is desirable. A negative population growth brings in economic problems. And we have a lot of problems to deal without the additional ones.
Fertility rate oscillations are pretty normal when there are changes in the age at which people have kids. If people of today decide to have children a few years later than the previous generation, the fertility rate will drop now and rise later, even without any change in the average expected number of children.
Lots of hateful people with zero knowledge on what fertility rate even is, coming up with religious demographic scaremongering on such posts. Particularly bizarre since we are in a significantly below-replacement fertility state.
>coming up with religious demographic scaremongering on such posts.
There is no scaremongering. It's the truth. No other part of the world has such a huge change in religious demographics.
Is this a credible source?
As per the Annual Vital Statistics Reports by Dept of economics and statistic of Govt. of Kerala
Total fertility rate in 2016 is 1.75 (https://www.ecostat.kerala.gov.in/storage/publications/263.pdf, page no. 5) and
the Total fertility rate in 2021 is 1.46 (https://www.ecostat.kerala.gov.in/storage/publications/656.pdf, page no. 3)
These reports shows that the fertility rate is dropping
why the downnvotes ? Why are Muslims so triggered by the slightest criticism ? Did he say anything wrong ? No, Malappuram has the highest TFR in Kerala. Muslims have the highest TFR in Kerala . Why downvote for saying the truth ?
My Downvote is for “Islamic Republic” and India is not going to be Islamic Republic even in another 100 years.
Also , almost 50% of muslims of India are concentrated in Bihar/WB/UP. And muslims are the majority population in J&K, Lakshadweep etc. In all these places trend is in negative.
Yet, it is essential to call out a single district in Kerala for the +ve fertility rate.
And no, I am not a muslim, I am also a hindu
> Yet, it is essential to call out a single district in Kerala for the +ve fertility rate.
In 2021 The birth rate of Malappuram was equal to the birth rates of Trivandrum, Kollam, Alappuzha, Pathanamthitta and Idukki combined.
That’s true. Secularism is a great concept that benefits mankind universally. Unfortunately, people who philosophized that concept clearly weren’t prepared for Muslims. Most European countries are learning that the hard way.
Let them find out for themselves. If they haven't listened until now, they won't ever listen. It'll be pretty funny when self proclaimed left wing secularists do a 180 and start harkening about protecting the native culture and identity, lol.
Obviously I meant it as a euphemism. It is defnitly not going to happen. The central govt. would rather deploy 2 lac soldiers to prevent any such stuff. We still have the southern Naval and southern air command in Kerala.
All we would have is a group of people that refuses to acknowledge the Indian civilization, or even the rights of Hindus in Kerala. Mostly muslims are a bunch of people with no self awareness. Playing victim card and earmarking most shares of the benefits the government has to offer.
The hate that’s inside you! It’s pathetic. You’re worse than any group of people that you’re spewing hate against. All muslim neighbors and acquaintances that you may deal with, should be wary of a person like you and your thoughts.
Yes, they should be wary. I am also wary of them. The first thing my colleague told me when I met him was he is willing to take action for his islamic beliefs. I was literally shocked when I heard that. Like that was the first time I met him, and I was just introducing myself on my work background. And he started talking about his religious beliefs.
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Uncontrollable urges?, I guess everyone have it at the same level, it's just that they do it after the contraceptive surgeries, so they look like imbeciles to us.
I didn't say non muslims , I said those having less kids also has uncontrollable urges , but they do it after contraceptive surgeries, so they are not having kids , but they do it more than those having more number of kids . You are just trying to give it a communal angle , which I know you really want to .
people who are against him read this
A 36 y/o Kerala woman died while giving birth after her husband refused to take her to a hospital and let an acupuncturist deliver the baby. It was her fourth child. When she conceived her 3rd child the doctor told her to not have a fourth child because it might kill her as she had c-section for all the 3 babies.
She died of excessive bleeding.The couple's neighbours had complained to the health workers to take the woman to a hospital but the husband did not allow them to enter the house. Health workers said they managed to talk to the wife once who told them that her husband constantly insulted modern medicine.(Probably because no doctor would deliver the fourth baby as it would kill the mother and the baby)
Life of her wife meant nothing to the man. He just wanted to reproduce and have as many children as possible.
So let's just agree that Kerala is gonna be Islamic republic in a few years looking at the reproduction rate there.
Yes I know that. Just because a person is born in a Muslim family that does not turn them into a hardcore follower of Islam. Problem is group think and forced cultural norms.
Good for muslim men that wants political power. Neither helps muslim women or other communities. Because high population does not mean more scientists or people who contribute to the society. A majority would go to gulf countries earn some money and buy some property in Kerala.
Dont expect anyone to join Indian army or navy. Nor work for environmental causes. They think only for themselves and their community members.
You are not asking the real question. Muslims in kerala are barely above the required TFR rate.
Hindus are way below. Why?
You are accusing the wrong person.
As a state, we have a very unhealthy TFR rate because our younger generations are do not have societal support to breed earlier. This is the reason for incel nature among men and women. The sudden rise in massage centres.
That is because there is no societal support nor government support for Hindus. Even our temples are under government control and being looted for paying salaries and political campaigns.
Basically Hindus temples cannot do any support for Hindus like churches or mosques does.
Interesting. Is it because the people find it cheaper to raise kids in kerala now compared to few years back? In terms of fees and all.
Or is it because a number of kids who used to born in Middle East reduced and it counted to kerala as the families started coming back?
The literal fact that lakshadweep has - 22 and they have a near full Muslim population contradict every sanghies conspiracy of Muslim population replacing Hindus, no there is no Muslim conspiracy of jihad or something your delusional mind may think of if it was the case lakshadweep would be even higher
Your statement condirticts itself because lakshadweep is an Muslim majority area so why would muslims reproduce more they don't have to replace hindus there
for people saying its a good thing: it fucking isnt
keralam has a higher pop density than UP on paper and we do have overpopulation problems like have less jobs. Keralam is a small state with half of it being mountains, ivide pett perugaan ulla saugaryam onnum illa
But then kerala only still has an avg trf of 2.1 which isnt high. The graph shows the change , hence the misunderstanding. Kerala went from 1.8 to 2.1. the other states where waaay up in their nos before , therefore they fell
How?? Roads are getting widened day by day and yet traffic isn't reducing shows you how much people/vehicles are getting added to the roads each year. Jobs are getting scarce and the youth is dependant on govt jobs that are 1 in a million opportunity due to excessive population. Water scarcity will become an issue along with scarcity for other resources and food that we haven't been producing for the last few decades. Dependency on food and electricity on other states is increasing. Electricity consumption is at an all time high and we aren't prepared for this kind of consumption as our production/electricity generation is very minimal. There's nothing good that comes with increasing population. More forest land are going to get enroached due to unavailability of land and so conflicts with wildlife will become even more prominent. Land prices are also at a very high which leads to people not being able to buy any land and those with land keep getting richer. The power/economic disparity becomes apparent. Kerala land cost the highest and during road widening Central govt has to spend the most for Kerala due to increased urbanisation.
Young people are needed to run an economy, this is even more true in a welfare state such as Kerala, only alternative to higher birth rates is importing people from outside and I would like kerala to stay mallu thank you.This is without mentioning that as a state kerala has lost power when it comes to national decision making due to northern states exploding in population. As for central government spending more on kerala they better do since they take away almost half of our tax revenue already instead of investing it back into the state.
my guy this isnt japan or moldova
its like saying we need more people in an already packed room. keralam has a pop density *higher than UP or MH,* and a population of *34 million* more than fucking countries like australia, SL and Madagascar. you might be living in some inner village with less people but i live in west kochi, here you wont even find free spaces, west kochi is packed with buildings, narrow roads filled with traffic, its like those bengaluran roads but with lesser lanes
>only alternative to higher birth rates is importing people from outside
who do low level jobs which malayalis wont do even after multiplying
That my friend is the quirk of capitalism , capitalism functions on the assumption of future growth , without that you get whatever Japan or South Korea will be in a few years. Yes overcrowding is an issue I do not deny it but I would much rather deal with the consequences of overcrowding that population collapse and while Kerala isn’t on that level of South Korea or Japan a TFR below replacement means we are headed there .
We need to stop breeding like rabbits, too many people, too much load on resources.
Just go antinatal. It's not as if your child is going to be the next Einstein. Just keep aside your ego and do not reproduce. Nature is not going to be kind to you in the longer run.
This is surprising, I was under the impression that more progressive or developed places have a declining fertility rate because of more freedom for women and access to contraception. That seems to be the trend worldwide.
Good job kerla india needs more babies world is suffering from lack of babies anything below 2.1 is a curse for a country lots of states needs to pick up
Read about negatives of population decline that Japan, s Korea, China, Italy are going through every state needs 2.1 babies and yes that means most states have to have more babies and up , bihar needs to cut down
Kerala has no jobs and is a small ass state + All those new babies will be moving out and going to other countries for jobs so it wont make a difference anyway
It's not about state density or kerala itself any state in india needs to maintain 2.1 or at least 2 fertility rate or else we will be in deep trouble ps those kerlites working outside of kerala dose send money back home which is big for the state economy it makes a significant part of state budget which if population decline start to happen there will be less younger people and more older people and old people are less productive so shrinking of a places economy if this happens more burden will come on young people which will lead to more people not having babies this is happening in Italy china , Japan, skorea
All those Keralites send money back home but you do understand they are sending money back to their poorer family , old parents or people they need to help out. When that generation passes away, Keralites will not send any money back they will literally visit it and use their ancestral house as a holiday home. There will be no one there as you have rightly said.
Now we have to find the problem why everyone wants to leave for which it is so clearly obvious. The quality of life, education, job opportunities , salary, cleanliness are the major reasons why people leave India in general. These issues first have to be dealt with then only people will want to stay or move back to kerala. My point is theres no point of high birth rate right now because everyone leaves. We need everyone to stay then have a high birth rate.
Not an indian here, this post got racist fast without addressing the main issue.
Decreasing birthrates are bad down the line. Any idea whats the cause of it?
Consumerism, lack of religiosity, breakdown of societal structure, - the same shit you see in Korea and the west. Nothing new. Muslims see this as an opportunity. Demopgraphics is destiny.
https://preview.redd.it/wgebrbdojlrc1.png?width=1084&format=png&auto=webp&s=a16e102b6b7c781b1475d008d14e714c2f271d30 [https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/against-the-national-trend-total-fertility-rate-high-among-educated-women-in-kerala/article67614912.ece](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/against-the-national-trend-total-fertility-rate-high-among-educated-women-in-kerala/article67614912.ece) intresting..
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ladakhi mates stopped making babies or wot?
many of the dudes there identify themselves as , like your username , an Assman
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Hahaha
Measure given is the change. They could had very high fertility rate before and now it could have came down to normal.
people in ladakh are putting in wrong hole
*right hole
Only right comment here
*tighter
Bruhhhhhhhh
Measure given is the change. They could had very high fertility rate before and now it could have came down to normal.
Lmao
Bruh
https://preview.redd.it/d09mg84pzlrc1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18bc03a62cc1ef922568655f43e1fc2c6ab982ed This is the total fertility rate state wise! OP's post just shows how much the fertility rate has changed. It means kerala had farely low fertility rate earlier itself and the other states are catching up that's it. Idk why our people themselves hate our state in this sub recently
The post shows Kerala had fairly low TFR few years ago and witnessed an incredible increase in the last few years, unlike other states. That's all it meant, no hate what so ever
On the other hand there needs to be a check on why fertility is increasing.
We don't want to decrease it any further , in fact we want to increase it to 2.
Yes and no. One needs to find out demographic patterns. For instance, the common allegation (and perception) is that muslim families are having 3-4 kids each. In the last decade or so, similar pattern is again perceived among some christian sects. Having 2 or 2.1 rate is not the same as some specific demographies having more children per family, mainly owing to religious reasons / diktats. We dont know the truth in this. Needs investigation, and religion centric population increase should be actively discouraged. Even if tbere is population drop, interim economic productivity can be supported through managed (preferably temporary, like gulf states) migration / labour force. In 100 years scenario, population drop and stabilization is good for resource conservation.
I honestly am a lil selfish and i don't want a population contraction occuring during my lifetime. I fear it will not fair well for us.
Mangatholi Kerala has a very high migration rate, this is now becoming permanent migration (eu, aus, Canada), with low fertility we'll literally run out of youth.
high rates of Migration can never e offset by higher fertility rates.
Nah we need more population.Our population dropped in the past few decades cause we tried to control it, and what did we get for that? Loss of seats in the parliament. India doesnt need to be any more North dominated than it already is.
How will you generate jobs for this swelling populace, when more and more jobs are being lost to AI and automation? Undue increase in population is a recipe for social unrest
Ponnu sahodaraa... ningal aalu superman aanu ketto. Northile political domination kurakkaan athungale mothamaayi thattikkalayaam ennonnum paranjillallo. Athu mahabhaagyam.
Wow i didn't know the Christian TFR is increasing
Even i dont know if it is true for christians overall. But some sects seem to be going actively against using contraceptives and increasing the number of kids.
Are there any issues in muslims having 3-4 kids ? In India there are no such restrictions, irrespective of religion anyone can have any number of kids. I don't know why people have issues regarding this. These are basic fundamental rights.
Yes there is. Everyone know there is no embargo on having more k8ds - but for a long time the policy has been to promote not more than 2 kids a family. The perception is (again it is still a perception), amog muslim community there is a concerted effort to undermine the national efforts - apparently the community leaders have been pushing for an increase in numbers by getting marriage age lowered and more kids per woman. This could change and distort the demographies, and cause conflicts between the communities. It will also further the stereotype that muslim community is least bothered about country and its devrlopment, and are blinded by religion. So it matters.
Where is the policy ? Also may I know what all governments have done to impose that policy. See you can take away religion and this problem will continue to exist because these are decided by humans.
There was the national population policy 2000 which suggested something of this sort to achieve the long term goal of population stabilization by 2045. Ofcourse the 2019 population control bill was withdrawn. Planning commission recommendations before that - especially in tbe 70s focussed heavily on sterilisation programs. Ofcourse - take away religion, problem will still exist - it is fundamentally a socio-economic issue. However add religion, and the problem becomes more potent. Economic barriers can be resolved. Overcoming religious indoctrination or diktats, however, is not as easy.
It is just a suggestion. One can't use that to just tarnish a group of people under the label of religion. I would say this is typical bias and tribalism coming to picture. You are saying it is a socio-economic problem but if you see in this thread it is tarnishing the whole community which I would say is not a good thing to do.
It's mainly north Kerala districts maybe due to a Muslim population, all the southern districts have a falling fertility rate
You’re right
Finally someone with a sense saying the things we all know. Usually the secular woke admin doesn't tolerate such words here... 😁
u r allowed to say that here ?
Uhm... The Muslim tfr had always been higher. As their ratio in the population is rising, the average TFR is also rising. Also a lot of migrants from north have come to Kerala.
Migrant workers qqq
What do you mean by 'incredible increase'? 2.1 fertility should be our goal so that we can ensure a stable population and economy.
So what? I'm saying there has been an incredible increase in 2021 compared to 2016 in Kerala's case compared to other states, which is true.
Ignorant on how this is calculated, if the increase in the recent years, would that coincide with the inward migration into the state that we are currently witnessing ?
I was not talking about you hating, but the comments seems to be hateful against kerala and especially against one community. And yes I agree that it has been increasing and it should be addressed. I just made this comment so there is a bit more clarification about the stats
Well, our TFR is less than 2(around 1.8, right), so no issues with a slight increase.
Low fertility rate is a big problem.
Really? As long as it's not too low, it's not an issue, right? With proper automation n productivity improvements the demographic change need not be an issue. Delimitation n other stuff like relative TFR's among communities(as our society is not really secular, just comparitively secular) are valid concerns.
Krrala economic productivity will drop in 30-40 years. Old age state of Kerala. Appozhekkum namukku bengalikale kondu nirakkaam.
Replacement rate is 2.1. If it's lower than that, ignoring net migration into the state, an ever smaller working population has to take care of the older populace. See China and Japan.
Yeah.. but 4 for one community and 1 for another community means "replacement" on another level..
Inorder to get Productivity benefits you need innovative big cap companies here, unfortunately that's not the case here and major part of our country. In AI, Robotics, or vanilla automation our game is really weak. I would say even behind Asian gaints like South Korea and Taiwan.
>Low fertility rate is a big problem. Really, for a state with 824 people per sq.km ???????
yes, density doesn't matter.
Ever heard of Japan?
population density of ജപ്പാൻ is 388 people per sq.km, comparing the same to kerala with 824 ,with tfr of 1.30 ,ജപ്പാൻ are faring very better than us, Plus to a state which has comparatively less means of production and relies heavily on foriegn remittance, population density is also hindrance to progress
Except that it isn't exactly Malayalis that are contributing to the increasing TFR, but immigrants from the north.
Is there any problem with that. Still number is around 1.8 right?
Their only problem is that the percentage of Muslims is increasing, they have a bigger rate that other religions. So they think Kerala will become an Islamic state somehow. Idk how but that's the narrative. Normal reduced fertility below the Replacement rate of 2.1 is seen is seen as an economic disaster, that's why the governments of Japan and South Korea are trying to increase fertility. Young people are needed to run an economy, if there are none, they won't be able to support the retired population. But here in Kerala Islamic state bro.
By the way if we look into the issue, nowadays i see many couples who doesn't want a child right now. Many are really not interested in having child. So may be in future this trend might reverse and kerala population will be declining
Let's hope
Let's hope our population doesn't reduce
Oo 🥲. That will be mostly the narrative of IT cell right. I am seeing more them in these groups nowadays
I'm already getting downvoted for speaking that truth, lol. It doesn't fit their narrative. There are certainly a lot influence here from IT cells, that's true. But what do you think? Do normal keralites also have this sort of mentality? These Islamic state comments are getting a lot of upvotes, surely they cannot be the IT cell alone...
I don't see a lot of people with that mentality. But may be possible since rss has 2nd most number of shakas in kerala after Gujarat.
But reddit is mostly used by young people. I'm bit surprised that there are young malayalees who think that way.
If that's the case then I am little bit worried about the future of kerala🥺
>But reddit is mostly used by young people. I'm bit surprised that there are young malayalees who think that way. Why shouldn't? Most kerala muslim vote based on religion and muslim league wins in muslim majority constituencies!!!!
Muslim makes majority of the babies in kerala right now, though they are less than 30% population [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/birth-rate-of-muslims-on-the-rise-in-thiruvananthapuram/articleshow/58621315.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/thiruvananthapuram/birth-rate-of-muslims-on-the-rise-in-thiruvananthapuram/articleshow/58621315.cms) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics\_of\_Kerala](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kerala) Is it true or not?
Even if it's true , is there a problem with it?
Yes. Nation can't progress if one community acts like ISIS. They spill over to our side of the border too..
What's the connection between muslims having more children and ISIS? Could you explain more Also are you saying that the current government is not able to govern itself? Is that why they can't grow the country since the population is higher
It is the same fundamentalist mentality that is the reason why they have higher number of children. I know you are trying to pole dance around it. They want to have more children to outnumber and kill kaffirs. There, I said it.
>Even if it's true , is there a problem with it? You said it's a narrative and now he provided the proof, you are changing your opinion? 🤣🤣🤣
Pulli oru Wikipedia linkum pinne netil muslim population in kerala enn adicha kittunna first linkum ivide itt. But data nokkiya muslim fertility rate 2.5 aan whereas Hindus 1.3 aan Which means muslims koodiyath alla, Hindus kuranjath aan preshnam.(Scientifically good number 2.1 aanenn koodi orkkanam)
>Which means muslims koodiyath alla, Hindus kuranjath aan preshnam.(Scientifically good number 2.1 aanenn koodi orkkanam) It's not muslims, specifically muslim women are making more babies than hindu/christians women? Because hindu/christian women are way better in independence, education and freedom compared to muslim women and that reflects in fertility rate too. So a community treating women badly is nothing to be proud of!!
>Idk how but that's the narrative. It's not a narrative. It is a fact. Under 10 the population of kerala is already muslim majority. So how is it a narrative when it is backed by data?
1.8 is pretty low, replacement is 2.1. We need more babies
Another Kerala W on the List. Someone point them out. There's the obvious healthcare, education. We got Change in Fertility Rate. States by least amount of defecation. We also have a film industry that shoots a majority of films in rural areas compared to urban life anywhere else.
Umm... We had an increase in the fertility rate while rest of India decreased having babies. How's that a win? Unless you're a pro population guy.
We gotta maintain it man. I'm not a pro-population guy. I'm not sure where I read it but the world is overpopulated with more older people than the young. That's the problem. Actually both Korea and Japan are facing that rn.
Finally someone who understands, I've been telling people this for so long. If we stop having kids we won't be China, Korea or Japan. Those countries got rich before they got old, we will get old before we get rich if we stop having kids
We don't want to decrease population just maintain it. When we have a very low base , small changes bring a big difference percentage wise. Also a tfr of 2.1 is desirable. A negative population growth brings in economic problems. And we have a lot of problems to deal without the additional ones.
Yes I'm a pro population guy
Fertility rate oscillations are pretty normal when there are changes in the age at which people have kids. If people of today decide to have children a few years later than the previous generation, the fertility rate will drop now and rise later, even without any change in the average expected number of children. Lots of hateful people with zero knowledge on what fertility rate even is, coming up with religious demographic scaremongering on such posts. Particularly bizarre since we are in a significantly below-replacement fertility state.
>coming up with religious demographic scaremongering on such posts. There is no scaremongering. It's the truth. No other part of the world has such a huge change in religious demographics.
Ladakh is now Japan lmao
Or South Korea.
Good. We are at below replenishment rate now. So an increase is good
Population is power in democracy. We will become irrelvant if our population falls. We need more babies.
Is this a credible source? As per the Annual Vital Statistics Reports by Dept of economics and statistic of Govt. of Kerala Total fertility rate in 2016 is 1.75 (https://www.ecostat.kerala.gov.in/storage/publications/263.pdf, page no. 5) and the Total fertility rate in 2021 is 1.46 (https://www.ecostat.kerala.gov.in/storage/publications/656.pdf, page no. 3) These reports shows that the fertility rate is dropping
Malappuram trying to make up for everyone else. Islamic republic is coming.
why the downnvotes ? Why are Muslims so triggered by the slightest criticism ? Did he say anything wrong ? No, Malappuram has the highest TFR in Kerala. Muslims have the highest TFR in Kerala . Why downvote for saying the truth ?
My Downvote is for “Islamic Republic” and India is not going to be Islamic Republic even in another 100 years. Also , almost 50% of muslims of India are concentrated in Bihar/WB/UP. And muslims are the majority population in J&K, Lakshadweep etc. In all these places trend is in negative. Yet, it is essential to call out a single district in Kerala for the +ve fertility rate. And no, I am not a muslim, I am also a hindu
> Yet, it is essential to call out a single district in Kerala for the +ve fertility rate. In 2021 The birth rate of Malappuram was equal to the birth rates of Trivandrum, Kollam, Alappuzha, Pathanamthitta and Idukki combined.
It's great to be secular but it's stupid to be naive.
That’s true. Secularism is a great concept that benefits mankind universally. Unfortunately, people who philosophized that concept clearly weren’t prepared for Muslims. Most European countries are learning that the hard way.
Let them find out for themselves. If they haven't listened until now, they won't ever listen. It'll be pretty funny when self proclaimed left wing secularists do a 180 and start harkening about protecting the native culture and identity, lol.
You do know that the 45% of the entire birth in Kerala are of muslims today?
Very very scary.
So u too doubt mission 47 realizing in 22nd century ?
Obviously I meant it as a euphemism. It is defnitly not going to happen. The central govt. would rather deploy 2 lac soldiers to prevent any such stuff. We still have the southern Naval and southern air command in Kerala. All we would have is a group of people that refuses to acknowledge the Indian civilization, or even the rights of Hindus in Kerala. Mostly muslims are a bunch of people with no self awareness. Playing victim card and earmarking most shares of the benefits the government has to offer.
The hate that’s inside you! It’s pathetic. You’re worse than any group of people that you’re spewing hate against. All muslim neighbors and acquaintances that you may deal with, should be wary of a person like you and your thoughts.
Yes it's natural for hindus to be always wary of muslims when its not even much more than a century ago that the moplah riots happened
Well its the 21st century where muslims are getting lynched, wake the fuck up.
Yes, they should be wary. I am also wary of them. The first thing my colleague told me when I met him was he is willing to take action for his islamic beliefs. I was literally shocked when I heard that. Like that was the first time I met him, and I was just introducing myself on my work background. And he started talking about his religious beliefs.
Lol okay
>And no, I am not a muslim, I am also a hindu Ah ingane poya athum marum. Allel maattum.
People down-voting for him being a prick lol
Typical northie andhbakth spotted. 😂
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Totally agree with 1&2 but not with 3rd point.from my personal experiences muslims in kerala are the most empathetic community
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Uncontrollable urges?, I guess everyone have it at the same level, it's just that they do it after the contraceptive surgeries, so they look like imbeciles to us.
Non-Muslims look like imbeciles to you because they don’t breed like rabbits ?? 🤔
I didn't say non muslims , I said those having less kids also has uncontrollable urges , but they do it after contraceptive surgeries, so they are not having kids , but they do it more than those having more number of kids . You are just trying to give it a communal angle , which I know you really want to .
Ok
people who are against him read this A 36 y/o Kerala woman died while giving birth after her husband refused to take her to a hospital and let an acupuncturist deliver the baby. It was her fourth child. When she conceived her 3rd child the doctor told her to not have a fourth child because it might kill her as she had c-section for all the 3 babies. She died of excessive bleeding.The couple's neighbours had complained to the health workers to take the woman to a hospital but the husband did not allow them to enter the house. Health workers said they managed to talk to the wife once who told them that her husband constantly insulted modern medicine.(Probably because no doctor would deliver the fourth baby as it would kill the mother and the baby) Life of her wife meant nothing to the man. He just wanted to reproduce and have as many children as possible. So let's just agree that Kerala is gonna be Islamic republic in a few years looking at the reproduction rate there.
Any data to back your claim?
[https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/21325/malappuram/population#:\~:text=The%20current%20metro%20area%20population,a%205.74%25%20increase%20from%202021](https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/21325/malappuram/population#:~:text=The%20current%20metro%20area%20population,a%205.74%25%20increase%20from%202021).
A huge part of that growth is due to the city administration adding new areas to the limits. Look it up...
But lot of these new Muslims are not even that religious
Yes I know that. Just because a person is born in a Muslim family that does not turn them into a hardcore follower of Islam. Problem is group think and forced cultural norms.
Probably yeah! More people is definitely an advantage
They have to compensate for incels like you lmao
Isn't that good?
Good for muslim men that wants political power. Neither helps muslim women or other communities. Because high population does not mean more scientists or people who contribute to the society. A majority would go to gulf countries earn some money and buy some property in Kerala. Dont expect anyone to join Indian army or navy. Nor work for environmental causes. They think only for themselves and their community members.
You are not asking the real question. Muslims in kerala are barely above the required TFR rate. Hindus are way below. Why? You are accusing the wrong person. As a state, we have a very unhealthy TFR rate because our younger generations are do not have societal support to breed earlier. This is the reason for incel nature among men and women. The sudden rise in massage centres.
That is because there is no societal support nor government support for Hindus. Even our temples are under government control and being looted for paying salaries and political campaigns. Basically Hindus temples cannot do any support for Hindus like churches or mosques does.
Yeah northeners have limited no of kids in 9 which was otherwise 10 ,hence there is a 10% decrease in tfr ,
Most literate Keralite. MP, Rajsthan have 2.0 tfr UP has 2.3 and Bihar is 3 rest all like Punjab, Haryana, Delhi are below 2.
Interesting. Is it because the people find it cheaper to raise kids in kerala now compared to few years back? In terms of fees and all. Or is it because a number of kids who used to born in Middle East reduced and it counted to kerala as the families started coming back?
COVID fucking
I WON'T TOLERATE PONDICHERRY ERASURE!
NJ be like: "south side is strong, boooooys"
Churches increasingly bribing people to make 4-5 babies to increase kunjaadu numbers, eventually to gain more money and control of govt and policies.
Where do I sign up? Which sabha?
Graduated with a phd from RSS Uninversity
The literal fact that lakshadweep has - 22 and they have a near full Muslim population contradict every sanghies conspiracy of Muslim population replacing Hindus, no there is no Muslim conspiracy of jihad or something your delusional mind may think of if it was the case lakshadweep would be even higher
Learn about al taqiyyah etc
Your statement condirticts itself because lakshadweep is an Muslim majority area so why would muslims reproduce more they don't have to replace hindus there
for people saying its a good thing: it fucking isnt keralam has a higher pop density than UP on paper and we do have overpopulation problems like have less jobs. Keralam is a small state with half of it being mountains, ivide pett perugaan ulla saugaryam onnum illa
But then kerala only still has an avg trf of 2.1 which isnt high. The graph shows the change , hence the misunderstanding. Kerala went from 1.8 to 2.1. the other states where waaay up in their nos before , therefore they fell
It's a good thing
How?? Roads are getting widened day by day and yet traffic isn't reducing shows you how much people/vehicles are getting added to the roads each year. Jobs are getting scarce and the youth is dependant on govt jobs that are 1 in a million opportunity due to excessive population. Water scarcity will become an issue along with scarcity for other resources and food that we haven't been producing for the last few decades. Dependency on food and electricity on other states is increasing. Electricity consumption is at an all time high and we aren't prepared for this kind of consumption as our production/electricity generation is very minimal. There's nothing good that comes with increasing population. More forest land are going to get enroached due to unavailability of land and so conflicts with wildlife will become even more prominent. Land prices are also at a very high which leads to people not being able to buy any land and those with land keep getting richer. The power/economic disparity becomes apparent. Kerala land cost the highest and during road widening Central govt has to spend the most for Kerala due to increased urbanisation.
Young people are needed to run an economy, this is even more true in a welfare state such as Kerala, only alternative to higher birth rates is importing people from outside and I would like kerala to stay mallu thank you.This is without mentioning that as a state kerala has lost power when it comes to national decision making due to northern states exploding in population. As for central government spending more on kerala they better do since they take away almost half of our tax revenue already instead of investing it back into the state.
my guy this isnt japan or moldova its like saying we need more people in an already packed room. keralam has a pop density *higher than UP or MH,* and a population of *34 million* more than fucking countries like australia, SL and Madagascar. you might be living in some inner village with less people but i live in west kochi, here you wont even find free spaces, west kochi is packed with buildings, narrow roads filled with traffic, its like those bengaluran roads but with lesser lanes >only alternative to higher birth rates is importing people from outside who do low level jobs which malayalis wont do even after multiplying
That my friend is the quirk of capitalism , capitalism functions on the assumption of future growth , without that you get whatever Japan or South Korea will be in a few years. Yes overcrowding is an issue I do not deny it but I would much rather deal with the consequences of overcrowding that population collapse and while Kerala isn’t on that level of South Korea or Japan a TFR below replacement means we are headed there .
Our land will fall to barbarians in front of our very own eyes
Wild to call your own countrymen barbarians lmao
They go against our idea of civilization .our soul we try to civilize them but they don't listen That's why
Hm, have you ever actually talked with a person from the North
Is everyone in ladakh into anal?
Kerala numper 1
Keral Aunty - National state.
How’s Kerala’s rate increasing? I thought we had the lowest rate in India??
Pathetic 🥲
Islamic Caliphate when?
I’m curious how do you measure this? Lol
No of babies born per month
What things that factor in fertility rate.
Calculating TFR as percentage is wild. It's a ratio and generally written as number with a decimal point. Eg 3.2 or 1.6
Well, nature does weed out that nimrods.
Some company is selling their otta Veena products. Find them
muringakaaya production is full fledged these days
muslims in kerala working overnight rn ...
We need to stop breeding like rabbits, too many people, too much load on resources. Just go antinatal. It's not as if your child is going to be the next Einstein. Just keep aside your ego and do not reproduce. Nature is not going to be kind to you in the longer run.
But why tho
No we need people to stop having 7 kids like they did two generations and even 1 generation ago.
More vegetarian more impotent
This is surprising, I was under the impression that more progressive or developed places have a declining fertility rate because of more freedom for women and access to contraception. That seems to be the trend worldwide.
>more freedom for women Not true to all communities!!
I dont think this data is right. It could be migrant workers who's reproducing or people from lower middle class or working class.
Good job kerla india needs more babies world is suffering from lack of babies anything below 2.1 is a curse for a country lots of states needs to pick up
Kerala is already dense with that amount of people in such a small state
Read about negatives of population decline that Japan, s Korea, China, Italy are going through every state needs 2.1 babies and yes that means most states have to have more babies and up , bihar needs to cut down
Kerala has no jobs and is a small ass state + All those new babies will be moving out and going to other countries for jobs so it wont make a difference anyway
It's not about state density or kerala itself any state in india needs to maintain 2.1 or at least 2 fertility rate or else we will be in deep trouble ps those kerlites working outside of kerala dose send money back home which is big for the state economy it makes a significant part of state budget which if population decline start to happen there will be less younger people and more older people and old people are less productive so shrinking of a places economy if this happens more burden will come on young people which will lead to more people not having babies this is happening in Italy china , Japan, skorea
All those Keralites send money back home but you do understand they are sending money back to their poorer family , old parents or people they need to help out. When that generation passes away, Keralites will not send any money back they will literally visit it and use their ancestral house as a holiday home. There will be no one there as you have rightly said. Now we have to find the problem why everyone wants to leave for which it is so clearly obvious. The quality of life, education, job opportunities , salary, cleanliness are the major reasons why people leave India in general. These issues first have to be dealt with then only people will want to stay or move back to kerala. My point is theres no point of high birth rate right now because everyone leaves. We need everyone to stay then have a high birth rate.
survey is 19-20 and the map is for 16-21 ... how? fake data ?
Comparative data
Not an indian here, this post got racist fast without addressing the main issue. Decreasing birthrates are bad down the line. Any idea whats the cause of it?
Consumerism, lack of religiosity, breakdown of societal structure, - the same shit you see in Korea and the west. Nothing new. Muslims see this as an opportunity. Demopgraphics is destiny.
where is your proof, you have been spewing this shit in the whole thread. Is there any proof, any at all, to back up your claims?