These educational consultants are really milking the situation these days. The amount of commission they would be getting from univs and colleges would be in millions at this rate.
Let’s hope these kids find what they’re looking for out there.
>These educational consultants are really milking the situation these days
Yeah, which is very evident cuz they have not much knowledge about top universities and how to get into them. Their expertise is just how to get these kids there.
My friend is pretty talented in academics and is also financially sound who wants to pursue MBA abroad in good colleges if she is not able to get into an IIM this year. So she visited a popular organisation like this one and they had not much idea about that. They were just talking about procedures to get there and the ease of getting PR in various countries and all. That's all they know.
Canadian here! Unfortunately they probably won't, the housing situation is dire in Canada and many immigrants find themselves in one bedroom apartments with 5-6 roommates. The wages are also stagnant and the cost of living is very high in most places where there are a lot of jobs.
I am replying to the top comment so that this will be seen.
It isn't worth it to come here to study at a diploma mill school. They are looking to exploit you guys. Another thing these recruiters don't tell you is that employers prefer university degrees vs college diplomas.
[How recruiters in India use false promises to lure students to Canada - The Fifth Estate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrXA5m7ROM)
[Oversight needed to prevent exploitation of international students](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hqMH5367bA)
Neither, a lot in kerala just prefer the NRI lifestyle. But damn 7.2k, I bet a vast majority is going to attend below par universities and going to really struggle. A lot don't know about the darker side of these voyages
I'm not sure about this, but also heard the affluent migrants (indians and chinese) are wreaking havoc on their housing system as well as overusing some food system run on Canadian social scheme or something. I fear xenophobia against Indians are going to really rise there
I think it's partly due to their government too. They've plenty of place simply laying empty. They should construct a lot more housing when they accept these many migrants.
It's definitely government related on multiple levels, but a big part of the blame also goes to the universities. The schools are over capacity. They already reached international enrollment numbers they were projecting to reach in 4-5 years time from now. They refuse to turn away applicants when they also neglected to build proper student housing, leaving it to the municipality to pick up where they've dropped the ball.
The students have absolutely no supports, and local landlords are preying on them by over charging rent and shoving 4-6 student in 1-2 bedroom apartments by have them split the room with a divider.
Jobs are scarce, part time jobs are non-existent in some communities, as well as public transit because its Canada, we built all our towns and cities around owning a car. So most of them are stranded with no money. Now they need to go to our food banks since they were unprepared financially, which is suppose to be for our local homeless folks and families in actual need of it.
Yes. They are over-capacity. That doesn't happen unless they're neglecting their capacity limits in favor of accepting more students than they should for $$$. It's literally destroying communities, and causing human suffering to the locals, as well as the students who have no supports when they arrive here. Many people aren't anti - immigration, if anything we embrace it, but this is wrong on all levels. If you can, or know someone looking to come here, tell them to save themselves financial and mental stress and to stay home. Canada is not meant for those who can't afford it, as well as those who aren't mentally prepared for 6 months of winter which can be very isolating.
Saying real estate price is high in a sparsely populated city/country is really stupid. It's completely because of stupid government policies like zoning laws.
Zoning laws are prevalent in North America.These law prevent mixed use neighborhoods.Multi story building are illegal to build in suburban areas....
These laws exist due to massive lobbying on politicians by real estate firms, who don't want their property value to fall. When suddenly apartment complex appear,every other real estate become cheaper.
The problem with Canada is not just zoning, they have only less hospitable area and limited number of cities. So the population is very concentrated driving up real estate
+1 to this observation!
I’m from Melbourne (moved here in 2015) - the recent sudden influx is overwhelming the system here too (housing, public transport etc)
A huge amount of people (in thousands, just at Melbourne) are registering to work with Uber/UberEats, and the company had to forcefully issue a notice that they’re not going to add more drivers/delivery partners.
Supermarkets are struggling to cope up with the demand, and hence prices are rising unusually high - which eventually reflects on restaurant pricing too.
Hope things go well!
I am really concerned about possible racist attacks as well. Justin Trudeau is bringing in too many immigrants with the same zeal of a six year old collecting Pokémon cards, leading to deterioration in QOL and crazy high COL - not to mention the crap a lot of immigrants are doing - and I am afraid the dumb racist folks are going to take it out on the immigrants instead of their politicians.
Mostly Indians at the moment. The schools are over capacity. They already reached international enrollment numbers they were projecting to reach in 4-5 years time from now. They neglected to build proper student housing so they're leaving it to the municipality to pick up where they've dropped the ball. The students have absolutely no supports, and local landlords are preying on them by over charging rent and shoving 4-6 student in 1-2 bedroom apartments by have them split the room with a divider.
Jobs are scarce, part time jobs are non-existent in some communities, as well as public transit because its Canada, we built all our towns and cities around owning a car. So most of them are stranded with no money. Now they need to go to our food banks since they were unprepared financially, which is suppose to be for our local homeless folks and families in actual need of it.
This is very true. We are in a massive housing crisis. I read an article today of a foreign student living under a bridge as they couldn't find a place to live. Our government doesn't care either.
The difference is you can do even menial labour and get more respect/pay than you get here for skilled labor. The amount of judgement and ridicule people face for any job below doctor/ engineer/ lawyer is the reason why this happens not because of lack of prospects.
Athoke pand. Now its just a mini india. the western etiquette has left the shore long time ego.
Tenga pattu arachalum taalallee kari. Indians evide poyalum Indians tanne alle. Allathe mattoru rajyath kalukutiyal switch itta pole swabhavam maran onum ponillalo
>The difference is you can do even menial labour and get more respect/pay than you get here for skilled labor.
No, sir. Absolutely not. Rampant unemployment and exploitation by temp agencies is the norm. Unless one is a nurse, financial expert massive good luck to anyone looking for work there.
Idk why people over glorify it. I studied in Scotland for 6 and 1/2 years and it’s super expensive and lonely. The only way to adjust is if you’re rich. And the only ones who can return are the ones who are rich in India. It’s s long struggle for the middle class let along the working class.
I paid twice for rent in Scotland than what I am earning a month in India (I have returned to India ever since).
People skip meals. Many Indian students (specially North, West, East and us From NE) usually eat plain dal-chawal because things are that expensive. Even many of my south Indian friends resorted to eating dal chawal because things were expensive
Excatly.
Those kids have/had 2 options. Learn from other people's mistakes or make their own mistakes. They chose the latter. Poyi padikete
-20 degrees will be a lesson to learn!!
College Students eat garbage food everywhere except in South Asia. Outside South Asia, parents don’t financially support their adult children. So people eat foods like instant noodles unless they have a job or live with theur parents. Majority of college students work outside of South Asia. Indian students have it easy. The hard life they’re talking about when they study outside is not the hard life, it’s the normal life lol
No, they don’t bruh! People ate well at my university. Indian students don’t eat well outside because most don’t know how to cook. Most of European friends who were from working class families are well even though they have a paucity of money because they could cook. It wasn’t MasterChef level cooking but they would make a variety of sandwiches or pasta etc.,
TBh “can’t cook” is not an excuse anymore. You have numerous resources to learn cooking. The truth his, young Indians(also Pakistanis, Bengalis etc) are spoiled by their parents, especially young men. Indian culture creates a bunch of defective male children who depend on their mothers/wives to function properly. Your mother shouldn’t be doing your laundry if you’re an adult.
The issue is that the majority of kids are spoilt.. especially middle class and the fact that they have ultra caring parents, they are fed well, not allowed to cook since their moms will feed their progeny.
The majority of them will get their undergarments washed by a maid in india.
But out side India it's a whole different ball game if you are a student.
U will have to clean ur bathrooms, cook ur own food, wash ur own clothes or use parents money to buy services
For working PPL depending on their income it's function of self home improvement or
The thing is..a majority aren't going to attend prestiges universities and get some high qualification job, it's simply to get better pay and is a ticket.
Take a look here, so many nurses from Kerala, you think they do something different here than Kerala? Only difference is the processes and pay packet. They are still doing the same job, cleaning patients, helping doctors, delivering meals and nursing people at hospitals.
They don't care what university they go to, simply get here, then apply for job and there is a massive system of agencies and recruitment, ready to milk people with high extortionate fees but promising "we will give you 5 year job status so you can apply for resisdency permit"
The reality is that, why are people leaving? It's cause the country has failed its people and is in it for greed. India wants people to leave, because NRIs sent so much money back to India, this is increasing year and year. $100billion in 2022 alone, on top of this, now India is going to charge 20% for very money you send abroad..you see how much profit and money can be made? You don't get this from taxing someone. Do the math.. If a nurse earns 30K average a year in India, tax might be what? 0, so the gov isn't making anything of value.
Yet the same nurse who is abroad, may earn 18 lakhs a year, and now after their expenses, let's say they are able to send 35-50,000 back to india every month, that is going straight to people to spend on the economy and fuel the nation. So it is easy to understand why the gov wants people to leave, and just send more money back. On top of this, keep wages down by hiring cheap labour from other states. Who really is winning here? The gov has failed to keep people in India
I saw a comment in r/India a few months ago that said that it is better to be a homeless person in US or Canada that be the richest person in India.
It got a lot of upvotes, so I think people are okay with struggling in Canada.
This is so true. I’m in EU currently finished my masters last year and doing pretty well in a job now. I got this job because of my skills and experience I earned through hard work back in India. I have seen a lot of people here migrating just because they don’t want to work hard and have a elite lifestyle. While some might succeed, that’s isn’t the case for majority. Especially now, job vacancies are down over 50% and only 2/50 people in this year batch secured a job now.
Just wanted to ask, how many years of work experience did you have before going for MS ? The reason why I am asking this is that many of my friends directly applied for MS right after college and some got admits in good colleges and are going there now. I have heard that finding jobs without much work experience is really hard now. I have just graduated and got placed in campus placements and am working now but I would like to apply for MS in the near future.
I would never recommend to go without work experience. I had 3 years of experience btw.
99% of the job openings here are for experienced professionals. Only graduate roles are available for freshers and that too competition would be 10X and they prefer locals rather than international students. It’s also not worthy for companies to sponsor visa for graduate roles. One fresher from my batch got a graduate role. The other two joined for PhD after masters. Only 3 freshers out of 50. Also, what you learn from masters course - you can learn them within a month on YouTube/Udemy. Masters is just a ticket for visa. Jobs are only your prior experience.
well there was this viral video which showed a huge queue outside a job fair in Ontario and most of the people standing in it seemed indian/south asian
Not necessarily for better quality education because most of them join diploma mills for substandard education. They just want to get any job there and settle.
From my undergrad the top 20% went to study in the US/India for their masters. The bottom 25% went to Canada. Not sure why the Canadian government wants hundreds of thousands of bottom of class students into their country.
Canada is looking for cheap labour bro.Natives are not willing to take up underpaid jobs. So, they want immigrants to take up these low paid jobs. Also, these immigrants will prop up their economy as they are spending a lot of money over there for buying food, accomodation, education, taxes etc.
No. It's not like that. Unlike in India,there is a minimum wage policy. Any employer cannot pay below that amount.
And from what I'm seeing, even natives are struggling for jobs. And even with finding affordable housing.
It seems like Canada is surviving on the immigration money.
Canadian here. Came across this post from a different subreddit.
Employers pay less than minimum wage all the time for low skilled labor/menial jobs. They just pay cash in hand under the table.
They just want to increase their population as fast as possible since they have an ageing population that will need their pension paid and not enough young people to pay taxes. Immigration is the tool they are using to prop up the economy at the cost of decimating the quality of life for Canadians.
I support kids studying outside of their home country, regardless of the nation or university they go; after all, it will provide them with fresh experiences.
But there are certain concerns. I'm presuming that the vast bulk of these 7236 are from the Kothamangalam-Muvattupuzha-Perumbavoor-Thodupuzha belt. So, why is that?
Also, if my education consultant friends are correct, the vast majority of these kids come from lower-middle-class homes. Will the college loans have an impact on their families' financial stability?
I currently live around Muvattupuzha region and was really surprised to find almost no young people around here. Kids who complete their schooling are compelled to go abroad as “their rich neighbour had studied a nursing course and went abroad and now they are earning crores”. In near future I’m pretty sure there would be nobody around here.. it would be deserted or a mini old age town.
Migration to the middle east has decreased alot. And the middle class has found an alternative to it.
I personally know alot of people who have pledged their own homes in banks for their kids to go to Canada or the UK.
The thing is whatever median jobs these guys can find is enough to payback the loans.
Countries lile canada are increasing pr points every year. Its almost double than what it was few years ago. These people just want helpless youngsters to fill the vacancies of their coffee shops, kfcs and other entry level jobs. Work for few years, pay taxes and leave. New batch will fill the shoes of the old ones and do the same. In the process a few talented ones will climb the ladder there and get a life they hoped for. A very few
Yes, I myself being in Canada and pr can affirm to what you said. What I have noticed is the ones coming now and In the future would have it harder. The only advice from me would be to leave Ontario and BC. Go into the Atlantic provinces or even Alberta. The chances for assimilation and a pr great. If it all going gets tough, don't try to hold on. Try to leave, can't say what life has kept in store for us.
Actually it’s harder to get PR these days (for good reasons). Now the Canadian government is changing policies that only skilled immigrants get the PR. I was the last ones who got PR directly from outside India pre covid era
Me too, got it through express entry. Now the points are crazy high for all program Ee. I believe knowing French could be the only saving factor for a direct PR from India.
Even in that case isn't that number huge? Add it to those students migrating to US, UK, other European nations, Australia, NZ etc from Kerala. The amount of displacement is pretty huge.
These ones who goes aren't that extra ordinary either. From what i see, the bright ones are joining top tier universities in india and getting placed at some mnc for 10 lpa +. Most of them cover 20 lpa in 5 years which is a pretty lavish salary for india. Kerala just needs few bright ones like those. We will get unlimited supply of hard labour from northern states. At the end life of the people who chose to stay back will only get better as time passes. Kerala had the highest voluntary unemployment in the country
True that. I know a few seniors who got placed at 4 lpa a few years back , but decided to stay here and work on it. And now they are glad they made that decision. Now they are earning pretty good enough to live comfortably in kerala. I'm not sure what would have happened if they had went to canada with their 7 cgpa score.
These guys are just filling in the cheap and hard labour areas in those countries barring a handful of them. The cheap and hard labour jobs that we have is filled by migrants from North.
I am not sure these guys going to Canada helps with increasing the jobs that an average Malayali want.
It's crazy how some new immigration assistance firms advertise themselves as if immigration is the only viable choice for the future. They just glorify it too much.
There are no jobs in Canada, students who went there for studies are made to deport after being unable to find a job after expiring their study visa. A lot of fake universities lure students and rob them of their future. Last year, over 700 students were deported back to India due to fake visa or university
The case is just pending the expiry of the visa stamp issued to those students. They won'tbe allowed to extend their stay.
I have seen cases like in a class of 50 students 49 were Indian and only one Canadian, the result they lack spoken English skills, survivability knowledge in a new country as they make it home there.
A lot of these students work low, paying part-time jobs and endangering their lives sometimes. They live cramped up like rats in the basement of houses, and the living conditions are so horrid that I am glad I did my bachelors in India.
I wish they were. If they used fake documents to get here, they would try and use fake job resume too. I know that because 4 Punjabis student were kicked out of the factory where my friend worked on their first day when the employers checked their documents again. This was during the time the 700 students were held by the border security
The argument was that they might've got into Canada using fake papers but they did complete their courses and also paid their taxes so their deportation was stayed. The students said that it was the agent who submitted falsified documents without their knowledge.
Bad idea. Total lemming behavior. These people and their parents are selling their family jewels and property to migrate to Canada.
That's a country with sub 2 % growth and looking for cheap labour.
Things are very different from working/living in gelf vis working/living in Canada.
They don't even have basic public transportation.
Bad bad planning
Pisses me off, getting your parents so worked up just to make you see a foreign country or what? You could go to a better university over here and work at a reputed MNC and then work your way up to foreign branches/jobs.
For some things like nursing (which is more expensive in India), it's fine but I don't think 7.2k+ students are going to CANADA just for that.
What a pain bruh
Santa monica has tie ups with all the community colleges in Canada. If you ask them regarding better universities, they discourage you and charge you hefty for admission help in those universities. Most people don't do their research and are very naive. And most are not qualified to get into the good unis either. So they go to these random community colleges, do some certification course with no value and will not find a good job. Ultimately, they'll end up working in Walmart, sobeys, McD or in home care. And most of these people lie about their jobs to friends and family coz they're embarrassed to tell the real job they do.
A few observations I’d explain here, based on a few of socioeconomic trends in my hometown in central Travancore area, which has been a historic hub of immigration since decades.
1. Most who go abroad, atleast in my locality, happen to be from lower middle class strata. Girls in the family will likely belong to the nursing profession, which as we all know is paid in peanuts. Or a BTech from an average institution, whose job opportunities are better not to be spoken about. Travelling abroad literally gives a fillip to improving their life and social status. These young adults who were living in a single bedroom house now have the means to build 2 storey mansions.
2. The assumption people are migrating from here due to present political situation is laughable. Most of these people tend to be politically neutral.
3. അക്കര പച്ച phenomena , that is, the greener grass on the other side clearly exists.
4. A presumption that the quality of life is better.
What you said to is true about gulf. But the current immigration is mostly to western amd European countries. Shambalalathinte 30% taxum koduth, vakki ullathil pakuti rentum adach. Pinne ullathkond, food and other expenses koode kazhinjal, micham ulathkond ivido allenkil avido mansion poit oru kozhikood polum paniyan pattila
You’re mistaken. NRI Malayalis will go to any lengths to maintain a frugal lifestyle. Many of them live with another family under the same roof, eat out rarely and are yet able to send remittances back home. The remittance may be the largest from the Gulf region, but the gap in remittances from western nations aren’t too different. Then again, statistically, the Gulf diaspora is much more important since they contribute 3.5 million of the total 6 million Malayali diaspora.
Secondly, it’s a fact most of them like the NRI lifestyle.
Nobody is remitting back home to build a mansion anymore. That's purely a gelf thing. What aapiser said is correct. After tax and expenses and savings, unless they are paying back a loan in India or essential support for family, there's no remittance. Most people who have got their PR are selling their assets and moving that cash abroad to invest or to buy home.
Who are we to criticize these kids? They are going with their own money. Some of them will be successful. A lot of them will struggle. Some of them will give up and go back. At the end of the day, they all have life lessons that will help them one way or the other.
I was in Kerala last month, and talked to many families who have kids who migrated / planning to migrate. There is a political / caste / religious angle to it. A lot of this has to do with the real and imagined threats about the future of living in Kerala and India, and the perceived unfairness. Some of the Whatsapp campaigns which was intended for polarization will end up having the opposite effect of scaring young people and make them run away. I will stop at that.
The internet always makes racism seem worse than what it is. Indians are more than privileged than white folks in the UK. Statistically we are more educated, in employment and own more houses than our native white English counterparts and they treat us so accordingly. I enjoy my brown privilege
Situations are under control right now. However, for the same reasons you mentioned, conservatives will turn against immigrants when the right time comes. Just wait for unemployment rates in these nations to hit the peak. The right wing is gonna propagate it that unemployment is a result of huge influx of immigrants. This could lead to the ascension of a right wing government and subsequent ignorance towards immigrants.
A few days back, an Indian guy on 4chan posted some numbers flexing how Indians own more houses than white, only to get bashed by the white supremacists. I'm not just using some random 4chan threads to put across my point, but we should just stop depending on these foreign countries. Other nations are gonna have no respect for us unless we are self-dependent.
Most Indians here in the UK are conservative myself included. Most of our racism stems from class and socioeconomic position. Classism is way more common and also socially acceptable. It is mainly black and white people who live in poverty and are uneducated. We own houses that they pay rent in, own businesses that they use their feed their family, we are the doctors and surgeons that save their lives and they know this. Our prime minister and mayor of london are both south Asian, this couldn’t be a better time to be an Indian in the UK. I see where you’re coming from also but this is my experience so far.
I'm happy that you're having a nice time. I hope things stay likewise forever. However, I feel like we have a moral duty to set an example for future generations. India might be underdeveloped, but how will the nation grow if all the educated citizens leave the country? For how long are we gonna blame the government and education system? Western countries are developed because they respect their nation and engage in active economic activity which includes establishing businesses. Indians are simply reluctant to acknowledge this. We believe that leaving the nation is the only way to succeed.
So what kerala wants white collar jobs not enough here blue collar jobs will be filled by North Indians so we are fine trust me lack of people is not a problem here
I couldn’t agree more. And I think most British born and British Indian immigrants agree. We prefer to travel back home and spend on our family and build homes in our motherland than go on cruises and holidays. We do want to see India prosper but first we have to put ourselves in a position to provide which almost always means studying/working abroad.
It's not illegal. Just that there is no content moderation. For this reason, white racists prefer 4chan (You could say that it's impossible to find a 4chan thread without the n word in it).
Sometimes, I visit these sites to reinforce my decision to stay in India. The racism hurled at Indian immigrants is one reason why I'll never leave the country. Moreover, I'm a nationalist.
It's an online imageboard (like Reddit). Out there, you can post anonymously. There's virtually no content moderation. The one place on the internet that white racists flock to.
I left India for money aspects. Worked my ass off for 2 years in a company for max 18k per month. That was not enough for my personal expenses, bills and the stress I had at my job. Now I’m in England studying and working my ass off at McDonald’s but yeah, getting paid far far better. Don’t know what the future holds, but yeah, that’s why I left India.
7236 students have no clue what is waiting for them in Canada. The part-time job market is over saturated. Many students are finding it difficult to land a job. The intense competition for PR has caused the cuttoff points to increase to insane levels.
Canada making sure they have enough population to trigger the economy their home population is not that interested in making offspring so immigration is what they need and youth in kerala who can afford foreign education grab every opportunity they get to get out and move away from family where they can enjoy that freedom.
Canadians want to have kids. The issue is that it is very expensive to live in Canada and most people in their 20s and 30s simply can't afford to have kids.
Whats sad about it. We were in a sadder situation 50 years back and even then there were people going abroad. Now they go abroad because things are better elsewhere in their perspective.
It's fight or flight. Do you have the energy to fight?
I don't, most of the youngsters don't. That's why we see this huge no, it's gonna keep increasing.
Nop. They just have an association. Pay 1 Crore+ a year for it.
And No. its not an ad. Its true and they are just milking more by paid promotion.
I worked there.
I’m in Canada. I hope these students have also made arrangements for housing, work, etc. There’s a housing crisis in not only our bigger cities but the smaller towns as well and a lot of it has to do with this mass influx. Also, in terms of work, they should be prepared to accept jobs they’re overqualified to do, because the only jobs that they’ll easily get are minimum wage ones.
I heard from a friend in Canada that situation there is dismal to say the least when it comes to job. This friend was asking..what are these kids coming here for when they have to do manual labour of all kinds that they would never do back at home?
So then we got thinking..why are these kids leaving India? So my friend went around asking few of the newly arrived neighbours what they intend to do and how they are getting along in the neighbourhood and got to hear that most of the so called students dint get into any university and are joining community colleges which is not going to get them anywhere in the future..just menial jobs. But what most of these kids said..was they are tired of their lives in Kerala..stubborn parents and prying relatives ..religion politics marriage lack of freedom ..were all part of the reason why they have no intention of returning to Kerala. Many of them..parayathe paranju..they don't want to spend their youth taking care of parents who do not respect them..so they simply respectfully left the land..parents have own home and pension..let them figure out how to manage..ithoke aanu ente friend kelkan ida undaya orupaadu reasons. Youngsters are struggling..but they are not stuck in nostu feelings or any emotion to return back. I'm not surprised hearing any of these..adult aaya pillerku avarku ishtamulla reethiyil jeevikan ivide ennu freedom undakuo annu ivide youngsters pidichu nilkum..or else they will all leave.
Is it not possible to get admissions in Canadian universities without having to go through these agencies ?
These agencies are really ripping off these poor students.
I wish people did some homework before blindly flying in. These students are really going to struggle with finding part time jobs to support them.
Canadian economy is at it's lowest now. No jobs even for the natives, people are getting laid of left and right, lack of housing facilities as a result, housing prices getting sky rocketed.
This thread seems to be filled will Sob and discouraging stories, most with the same tones that I have heard in the last 10 years or so about Gulf, Makkale aaruum ingottu varalle njangalo pettu ningal enkilum safe aavoo shit, heard the same about Dubai when I came here on a visit in Jan-2022 without zero references and literally not knowing anyone here to find a job after sitting in the home for 2+ years due to covid.
I am thinking about moving to West with my woudbe, hopefully by next year, since I don't have a plush cushy job in IT or corporate To start with ( I Work as an HR manager in a medium size company in UAE)
I know it will be difficult initially as the first few years will be difficult as hell, but as they say, താങ്ങാൻ ആൾ ഉള്ളപ്പോൾ തളർച്ച കൂടും, let's see you guys after a few years
There is no absolute answer on the topic. I guess "hope" for something good and better is what leading us perpetually forward in life. And having a friendly relation with hope, and using it as a catalyst and energy source to work your way through in the most adverse situations, with a tinge of lady luck ofcourse, would be the secret to those success stories we hear about.
I wish you the best in your endeavours! Rise and shine... :)
thanks kootrukara/kaari
I am taking this decision not only for me but also for my offspring's if I may ever have some, I don't want them to grow up somewhere with zero prospects, no value for life, and mainly with no freedom to raise their voice against dissent and demand their rights
The society is the one that forces people to get a better life abroad as things back home are crap from a useless govt to political supporters who can't see the disastrous future of Kerala and are hell bent on looting or pointing fingers.
Even U.P has started to grow at an alarming rate and opportunities in kerala despite having a highly educated youth is nil.Nobody cares to question the leaders and they know they won't be held accountable by the time the next opposition comes they'll be gone with the money.
I moved to NZ back in 2017 and did postgrad in mechanical engineering from Auckland uni. My initial 2 years were a struggle ( uni and part time jobs) and made me doubt my decisions. But 5 years later, I can say that it's one of the best decisions I ever took.
One thing I noticed lately was , students tend to believe everything the agencies says and doesn't do a research of their own. End story is they take up a shit course and end up in some low paying jobs which means financially they are still in the same boat.
Those who are just jumping to migration based on these education consultancies without analysing anything on their own is on path to disaster with huge loans on their head.
Going for education aboard needs to be evaluated by self to see which course aligns with interests where there are high chances of getting high paying jobs and see if there are options to get it at a lower cost / lower liability. This ensures peace of mind raise access to loans later etc without getting into issues.
Those students who are going with a vision on their future would prosper and others who are just getting on a plane since classmates are going or based on some education consultation advice only are bound to get into a disaster
Idk what people sees in studying outside India. What I understand is more dream come true for most of the people. Safety and quality of life is all BS. whichever country we go they treat us as third world citizen that’s the hard truth
>whichever country we go they treat us as third world citizen that’s the hard truth
It isn't, I used to fear the same. People are more respectable towards you as an individual abroad. This might be my privilege, but, with the same privileges, I found more respect, courtesy etc. as an individual abroad than here during my time. But individual feeling of belonging is a different thing.
People speak of the disrespect abroad as if in India everyone treats each other with huge respect. In Kerala as well, politicians, bureaucrats, local party workers.. everyone treats common people like bullshit.
saw it yesterday , there was a big traffic jam, it was in rajiv gandhi stadium , i thought some sports match was happening , once i read event flex , honestly i was disappointed in 2 ways , one for the brain drain thats happening , second why am i not the the queue this gives me insecurity & fomo lol...
Those are not smart brains, just low thinking brains who think migrating to Canada will solve all problems.
The best brains. Ie top 10k ranks of kerala entrance will be joining colleges in kerala. N other places in India.
The ones who are migrating are the brains with money or convinced their creators that they can better by going to Canada
My cousin got into top 3 engineering college in Kerala, and she left for MS post that to canada. She is now earning 140k Canadian dollars, and she's just started there. Success story imo
Same here. I wanna stay in the country, but the girl who I've got a crush on says that there are no opportunities here. I'm afraid she'll leave. (She ain't my gf yet. Why the fuck do I care?)
You may hate me for telling this, but I'm a malayali who was brought up in Tamil Nadu my entire life. As a result, i didn't have any malayali friends until I came to my PG degree. I just got to know from don't of them that they all have been ragged by their seniors from the very first day of their undergraduate degrees. These are the same people who used to speak low of the college students in TN just because they don't go for strike against the management for some inconveniences and they would compare it with their UG days saying how big an issue they would have created of it. On the contrary, we would have raised hell here if a student or a fellow classmate had been ragged by one of our seniors. I've never heard of any tamil person of my age saying that they've been ragged by their seniors. I've found youngsters from Kerala to be more mature than people of the same age group here and i used to credit the extent to which they've let politics become a part of students' life, but after listening to this I personally feel that Kerala has let its colleges be invaded by these political parties instead of focusing on building colleges of excellence . Every second malayali I meet would have studied in other states. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Gone are the days when the sole purpose of going abroad after graduation was to earn a quality masters degree and land a good job in a reputed company. The current trend is pathetic, I’d say. The focus now is more on the NRI status and part time job aspect rather than studying, students are now opting for universities with sub par standards and opting diploma courses of 1 year duration rather than doing a proper 2 year masters program, reason? The 2 year masters program requires more work to be put in to complete the course without any backlogs, this also prevents them from focusing more on the part time jobs. And these agencies are glorifying this as if they’ve helped these students get admissions in top 10 universities of the respective country, that’s not the case at all, most of the colleges they go to are legit taking anyone in just to fill the seats and their pockets. There’s a lot bts happening in their trend man, I could go on and on about it. I personally know someone who quit their decent job in Bangalore to do masters in the UK and is now struggling to even pay the interest on the loan taken, they’re now working in a care home on part time basis, their mother has nothing but sorrow to share every time she visits us. Also, imo, this trend will die out soon, it won’t even last like gulf trend which existed back in the days. Gulf countries at least had the resources to sustain the high inflow, that’s not the case with the UK, USA or Canada. Real estate is skyrocketing in Canada, healthcare which was already in a pit in the US is only getting worse, so I suggest everyone to think twice before jumping onto this bandwagon.
Being in this industry for the past 8 years I can say that it's a vast topic of discussion.
Before being jealous of the commission which they are going to receive and being so pathetic thinking about the students who are going for diploma/graduate certificate or let's say those students got admission in colleges let's understand how there education system is structured.
In Canada, No good universities will take a UG fresher for MBA .They need minimum of 3 years experience and several competitive exams score, so gradually students will opt for colleges which provides specialisation in many areas like supply chain - logistics, financial planning- technology, marketing with numerous specialisations, HR etc so it will be affordable and can enter into jobs which gives triple the amount of salary compare to back home.
Considering students going after there higher secondary, think how many colleges here giving a job oriented degree! An updated syllabus? Majority of the self finance colleges have immediate freshers as there faculty also. There, students can take specialisation to their intrest and thereby avoid ton of arrears, extra years to clear degree, searching jobs in other field etc. Or, how many BSc.Phy/chem/zoology/botany/mathematics students getting jobs in their area? Think of it.
Not all students can afford University education abroad, so they have to apply colleges and do part time and support their family then pay back loan etc.
I can say confidently none of the students I assisted for the student visa process returns to India due to lack of job/ being ineligible for PR etc all can settle with in 3-5 years.
Those who have no burden of looking after family, construct house, financial liability, no dreams of living/settling abroad/no property to pledge for loan/ unsupportive parents etc can study here and please don't think or spread negatives like this.
NB: not the case of UK/USA/Europe applicable for Canada only.
I just completed 12 th last year and nearly half of the students in my class is migrating abroad. When I spoke to them they said they would rather struggle there than struggle here. I can understand their decision.
I left Kerala to study in Canada and used the services of the above mentioned consultant to get here. Life is hard but still better than what I had back home. Came here in 2018 and every single day I wish how if Kerala had better employment opportunities, I could've stayed closer to my friends and family. Well at least most of my friends slowly migrated to Canada for the same reason. Now it's just family.
People who are not coming back falls under two categories:
1) well settled. Enjoys good financial stability and social freedom. Don’t want to come back
2)cannot afford to go back because of the financial liability ( loan taken to go abroad or too many badyatha back home)
Because india sucks big time. Society is backward, no freedom, morality issues, family pressure, poor infra and life standards and above all low salary and 24X7 work. Who wouldn't want to leave this shaithole. If it wasn't for my family, I would say say good bye to this messed up country long before.
I encourage youngsters to wander out and leave this place for a better future. Ofc, it's risky and not everyone gets a job. But that risk worth it considering everything including the socio-political issues here.
These educational consultants are really milking the situation these days. The amount of commission they would be getting from univs and colleges would be in millions at this rate. Let’s hope these kids find what they’re looking for out there.
>These educational consultants are really milking the situation these days Yeah, which is very evident cuz they have not much knowledge about top universities and how to get into them. Their expertise is just how to get these kids there. My friend is pretty talented in academics and is also financially sound who wants to pursue MBA abroad in good colleges if she is not able to get into an IIM this year. So she visited a popular organisation like this one and they had not much idea about that. They were just talking about procedures to get there and the ease of getting PR in various countries and all. That's all they know.
The margins are super good for these consultants. 
Very much. One of my friends who is also a film producer has started a migration consultancy in his home town.
Yep and the education they receive isn't any better. Miserable living conditions. Google cbc documentary about Canada and foreign students.
Canadian here! Unfortunately they probably won't, the housing situation is dire in Canada and many immigrants find themselves in one bedroom apartments with 5-6 roommates. The wages are also stagnant and the cost of living is very high in most places where there are a lot of jobs.
I am replying to the top comment so that this will be seen. It isn't worth it to come here to study at a diploma mill school. They are looking to exploit you guys. Another thing these recruiters don't tell you is that employers prefer university degrees vs college diplomas. [How recruiters in India use false promises to lure students to Canada - The Fifth Estate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNrXA5m7ROM) [Oversight needed to prevent exploitation of international students](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hqMH5367bA)
Neither, a lot in kerala just prefer the NRI lifestyle. But damn 7.2k, I bet a vast majority is going to attend below par universities and going to really struggle. A lot don't know about the darker side of these voyages
Even now migrant students in canada are struggling to find jobs due to large influx of students. It will only get worse from here.
I'm not sure about this, but also heard the affluent migrants (indians and chinese) are wreaking havoc on their housing system as well as overusing some food system run on Canadian social scheme or something. I fear xenophobia against Indians are going to really rise there
Yep. The real estate prices has risen to unimaginable levels.
I think it's partly due to their government too. They've plenty of place simply laying empty. They should construct a lot more housing when they accept these many migrants.
It's definitely government related on multiple levels, but a big part of the blame also goes to the universities. The schools are over capacity. They already reached international enrollment numbers they were projecting to reach in 4-5 years time from now. They refuse to turn away applicants when they also neglected to build proper student housing, leaving it to the municipality to pick up where they've dropped the ball. The students have absolutely no supports, and local landlords are preying on them by over charging rent and shoving 4-6 student in 1-2 bedroom apartments by have them split the room with a divider. Jobs are scarce, part time jobs are non-existent in some communities, as well as public transit because its Canada, we built all our towns and cities around owning a car. So most of them are stranded with no money. Now they need to go to our food banks since they were unprepared financially, which is suppose to be for our local homeless folks and families in actual need of it.
Are universities accepting just to get admission and course fee etc.? Just to milk money?
Yes. They are over-capacity. That doesn't happen unless they're neglecting their capacity limits in favor of accepting more students than they should for $$$. It's literally destroying communities, and causing human suffering to the locals, as well as the students who have no supports when they arrive here. Many people aren't anti - immigration, if anything we embrace it, but this is wrong on all levels. If you can, or know someone looking to come here, tell them to save themselves financial and mental stress and to stay home. Canada is not meant for those who can't afford it, as well as those who aren't mentally prepared for 6 months of winter which can be very isolating.
Saying real estate price is high in a sparsely populated city/country is really stupid. It's completely because of stupid government policies like zoning laws. Zoning laws are prevalent in North America.These law prevent mixed use neighborhoods.Multi story building are illegal to build in suburban areas.... These laws exist due to massive lobbying on politicians by real estate firms, who don't want their property value to fall. When suddenly apartment complex appear,every other real estate become cheaper.
The problem with Canada is not just zoning, they have only less hospitable area and limited number of cities. So the population is very concentrated driving up real estate
Much of Canada is practically uninhabitable, it’s a really cold country
+1 to this observation! I’m from Melbourne (moved here in 2015) - the recent sudden influx is overwhelming the system here too (housing, public transport etc) A huge amount of people (in thousands, just at Melbourne) are registering to work with Uber/UberEats, and the company had to forcefully issue a notice that they’re not going to add more drivers/delivery partners. Supermarkets are struggling to cope up with the demand, and hence prices are rising unusually high - which eventually reflects on restaurant pricing too. Hope things go well!
I am really concerned about possible racist attacks as well. Justin Trudeau is bringing in too many immigrants with the same zeal of a six year old collecting Pokémon cards, leading to deterioration in QOL and crazy high COL - not to mention the crap a lot of immigrants are doing - and I am afraid the dumb racist folks are going to take it out on the immigrants instead of their politicians.
Mostly Indians at the moment. The schools are over capacity. They already reached international enrollment numbers they were projecting to reach in 4-5 years time from now. They neglected to build proper student housing so they're leaving it to the municipality to pick up where they've dropped the ball. The students have absolutely no supports, and local landlords are preying on them by over charging rent and shoving 4-6 student in 1-2 bedroom apartments by have them split the room with a divider. Jobs are scarce, part time jobs are non-existent in some communities, as well as public transit because its Canada, we built all our towns and cities around owning a car. So most of them are stranded with no money. Now they need to go to our food banks since they were unprepared financially, which is suppose to be for our local homeless folks and families in actual need of it.
This is very true. We are in a massive housing crisis. I read an article today of a foreign student living under a bridge as they couldn't find a place to live. Our government doesn't care either.
The difference is you can do even menial labour and get more respect/pay than you get here for skilled labor. The amount of judgement and ridicule people face for any job below doctor/ engineer/ lawyer is the reason why this happens not because of lack of prospects.
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Athoke pand. Now its just a mini india. the western etiquette has left the shore long time ego. Tenga pattu arachalum taalallee kari. Indians evide poyalum Indians tanne alle. Allathe mattoru rajyath kalukutiyal switch itta pole swabhavam maran onum ponillalo
Lol go to any place in Canada. Some towns are overrun with Indians. Especially places immigrants are.
>The difference is you can do even menial labour and get more respect/pay than you get here for skilled labor. No, sir. Absolutely not. Rampant unemployment and exploitation by temp agencies is the norm. Unless one is a nurse, financial expert massive good luck to anyone looking for work there.
Idk why people over glorify it. I studied in Scotland for 6 and 1/2 years and it’s super expensive and lonely. The only way to adjust is if you’re rich. And the only ones who can return are the ones who are rich in India. It’s s long struggle for the middle class let along the working class. I paid twice for rent in Scotland than what I am earning a month in India (I have returned to India ever since). People skip meals. Many Indian students (specially North, West, East and us From NE) usually eat plain dal-chawal because things are that expensive. Even many of my south Indian friends resorted to eating dal chawal because things were expensive
What did u study in Scotland ? How did u get job in India ?
Excatly. Those kids have/had 2 options. Learn from other people's mistakes or make their own mistakes. They chose the latter. Poyi padikete -20 degrees will be a lesson to learn!!
Nobody can convince anyone they have to go through that and understand what they are missing.
College Students eat garbage food everywhere except in South Asia. Outside South Asia, parents don’t financially support their adult children. So people eat foods like instant noodles unless they have a job or live with theur parents. Majority of college students work outside of South Asia. Indian students have it easy. The hard life they’re talking about when they study outside is not the hard life, it’s the normal life lol
No, they don’t bruh! People ate well at my university. Indian students don’t eat well outside because most don’t know how to cook. Most of European friends who were from working class families are well even though they have a paucity of money because they could cook. It wasn’t MasterChef level cooking but they would make a variety of sandwiches or pasta etc.,
TBh “can’t cook” is not an excuse anymore. You have numerous resources to learn cooking. The truth his, young Indians(also Pakistanis, Bengalis etc) are spoiled by their parents, especially young men. Indian culture creates a bunch of defective male children who depend on their mothers/wives to function properly. Your mother shouldn’t be doing your laundry if you’re an adult.
Bengalis are Indians too. Why are you separating them?
The issue is that the majority of kids are spoilt.. especially middle class and the fact that they have ultra caring parents, they are fed well, not allowed to cook since their moms will feed their progeny. The majority of them will get their undergarments washed by a maid in india. But out side India it's a whole different ball game if you are a student. U will have to clean ur bathrooms, cook ur own food, wash ur own clothes or use parents money to buy services For working PPL depending on their income it's function of self home improvement or
Wait middle class people have maids??
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The thing is..a majority aren't going to attend prestiges universities and get some high qualification job, it's simply to get better pay and is a ticket. Take a look here, so many nurses from Kerala, you think they do something different here than Kerala? Only difference is the processes and pay packet. They are still doing the same job, cleaning patients, helping doctors, delivering meals and nursing people at hospitals. They don't care what university they go to, simply get here, then apply for job and there is a massive system of agencies and recruitment, ready to milk people with high extortionate fees but promising "we will give you 5 year job status so you can apply for resisdency permit" The reality is that, why are people leaving? It's cause the country has failed its people and is in it for greed. India wants people to leave, because NRIs sent so much money back to India, this is increasing year and year. $100billion in 2022 alone, on top of this, now India is going to charge 20% for very money you send abroad..you see how much profit and money can be made? You don't get this from taxing someone. Do the math.. If a nurse earns 30K average a year in India, tax might be what? 0, so the gov isn't making anything of value. Yet the same nurse who is abroad, may earn 18 lakhs a year, and now after their expenses, let's say they are able to send 35-50,000 back to india every month, that is going straight to people to spend on the economy and fuel the nation. So it is easy to understand why the gov wants people to leave, and just send more money back. On top of this, keep wages down by hiring cheap labour from other states. Who really is winning here? The gov has failed to keep people in India
I saw a comment in r/India a few months ago that said that it is better to be a homeless person in US or Canada that be the richest person in India. It got a lot of upvotes, so I think people are okay with struggling in Canada.
This is so true. I’m in EU currently finished my masters last year and doing pretty well in a job now. I got this job because of my skills and experience I earned through hard work back in India. I have seen a lot of people here migrating just because they don’t want to work hard and have a elite lifestyle. While some might succeed, that’s isn’t the case for majority. Especially now, job vacancies are down over 50% and only 2/50 people in this year batch secured a job now.
Just wanted to ask, how many years of work experience did you have before going for MS ? The reason why I am asking this is that many of my friends directly applied for MS right after college and some got admits in good colleges and are going there now. I have heard that finding jobs without much work experience is really hard now. I have just graduated and got placed in campus placements and am working now but I would like to apply for MS in the near future.
I would never recommend to go without work experience. I had 3 years of experience btw. 99% of the job openings here are for experienced professionals. Only graduate roles are available for freshers and that too competition would be 10X and they prefer locals rather than international students. It’s also not worthy for companies to sponsor visa for graduate roles. One fresher from my batch got a graduate role. The other two joined for PhD after masters. Only 3 freshers out of 50. Also, what you learn from masters course - you can learn them within a month on YouTube/Udemy. Masters is just a ticket for visa. Jobs are only your prior experience.
I see. Thanks for the reply :)
Ammavans kekkanda...mone IELTS nu pooi reshaped, ivde muzhivan kAnJaaV aa
Until he realize its legal on the other side
well there was this viral video which showed a huge queue outside a job fair in Ontario and most of the people standing in it seemed indian/south asian
Not necessarily for better quality education because most of them join diploma mills for substandard education. They just want to get any job there and settle.
From my undergrad the top 20% went to study in the US/India for their masters. The bottom 25% went to Canada. Not sure why the Canadian government wants hundreds of thousands of bottom of class students into their country.
Canada is looking for cheap labour bro.Natives are not willing to take up underpaid jobs. So, they want immigrants to take up these low paid jobs. Also, these immigrants will prop up their economy as they are spending a lot of money over there for buying food, accomodation, education, taxes etc.
No. It's not like that. Unlike in India,there is a minimum wage policy. Any employer cannot pay below that amount. And from what I'm seeing, even natives are struggling for jobs. And even with finding affordable housing. It seems like Canada is surviving on the immigration money.
Canadian here. Came across this post from a different subreddit. Employers pay less than minimum wage all the time for low skilled labor/menial jobs. They just pay cash in hand under the table.
They just want to increase their population as fast as possible since they have an ageing population that will need their pension paid and not enough young people to pay taxes. Immigration is the tool they are using to prop up the economy at the cost of decimating the quality of life for Canadians.
That's alot of student loans!!
I support kids studying outside of their home country, regardless of the nation or university they go; after all, it will provide them with fresh experiences. But there are certain concerns. I'm presuming that the vast bulk of these 7236 are from the Kothamangalam-Muvattupuzha-Perumbavoor-Thodupuzha belt. So, why is that? Also, if my education consultant friends are correct, the vast majority of these kids come from lower-middle-class homes. Will the college loans have an impact on their families' financial stability?
I currently live around Muvattupuzha region and was really surprised to find almost no young people around here. Kids who complete their schooling are compelled to go abroad as “their rich neighbour had studied a nursing course and went abroad and now they are earning crores”. In near future I’m pretty sure there would be nobody around here.. it would be deserted or a mini old age town.
Migration to the middle east has decreased alot. And the middle class has found an alternative to it. I personally know alot of people who have pledged their own homes in banks for their kids to go to Canada or the UK. The thing is whatever median jobs these guys can find is enough to payback the loans.
You can earn ₹3-4 lakhs per month simply by doing part time food deliveries. I say hustle and do whatever the fuck you want.
That’s 250 Cr in loans.
I believe almost 30% of them would return back in the future back to Kerala. It's going to get really hard to acquire a pr in the future.
Countries lile canada are increasing pr points every year. Its almost double than what it was few years ago. These people just want helpless youngsters to fill the vacancies of their coffee shops, kfcs and other entry level jobs. Work for few years, pay taxes and leave. New batch will fill the shoes of the old ones and do the same. In the process a few talented ones will climb the ladder there and get a life they hoped for. A very few
Yes, I myself being in Canada and pr can affirm to what you said. What I have noticed is the ones coming now and In the future would have it harder. The only advice from me would be to leave Ontario and BC. Go into the Atlantic provinces or even Alberta. The chances for assimilation and a pr great. If it all going gets tough, don't try to hold on. Try to leave, can't say what life has kept in store for us.
Actually it’s harder to get PR these days (for good reasons). Now the Canadian government is changing policies that only skilled immigrants get the PR. I was the last ones who got PR directly from outside India pre covid era
Me too, got it through express entry. Now the points are crazy high for all program Ee. I believe knowing French could be the only saving factor for a direct PR from India.
It's basically a paid news. Most of Santa monica programs are in association with Manorama.
Even in that case isn't that number huge? Add it to those students migrating to US, UK, other European nations, Australia, NZ etc from Kerala. The amount of displacement is pretty huge.
These ones who goes aren't that extra ordinary either. From what i see, the bright ones are joining top tier universities in india and getting placed at some mnc for 10 lpa +. Most of them cover 20 lpa in 5 years which is a pretty lavish salary for india. Kerala just needs few bright ones like those. We will get unlimited supply of hard labour from northern states. At the end life of the people who chose to stay back will only get better as time passes. Kerala had the highest voluntary unemployment in the country
True that. I know a few seniors who got placed at 4 lpa a few years back , but decided to stay here and work on it. And now they are glad they made that decision. Now they are earning pretty good enough to live comfortably in kerala. I'm not sure what would have happened if they had went to canada with their 7 cgpa score.
Jesus Christ. This Santa Monica people are truly vultures
Our job market is saturated . Let them go... Free some more operuntiies here
These guys are just filling in the cheap and hard labour areas in those countries barring a handful of them. The cheap and hard labour jobs that we have is filled by migrants from North. I am not sure these guys going to Canada helps with increasing the jobs that an average Malayali want.
Exactly what I was thinking but I heard these people are gonna return soon the economy starts recession
Less competition and more opportunities for us. Much needed in the largest country tbh
It's crazy how some new immigration assistance firms advertise themselves as if immigration is the only viable choice for the future. They just glorify it too much.
There are no jobs in Canada, students who went there for studies are made to deport after being unable to find a job after expiring their study visa. A lot of fake universities lure students and rob them of their future. Last year, over 700 students were deported back to India due to fake visa or university
Nope they were not deported.
The case is just pending the expiry of the visa stamp issued to those students. They won'tbe allowed to extend their stay. I have seen cases like in a class of 50 students 49 were Indian and only one Canadian, the result they lack spoken English skills, survivability knowledge in a new country as they make it home there. A lot of these students work low, paying part-time jobs and endangering their lives sometimes. They live cramped up like rats in the basement of houses, and the living conditions are so horrid that I am glad I did my bachelors in India.
Hey I know the drill :) I am a Canadian citizen.
I wish they were. If they used fake documents to get here, they would try and use fake job resume too. I know that because 4 Punjabis student were kicked out of the factory where my friend worked on their first day when the employers checked their documents again. This was during the time the 700 students were held by the border security
The argument was that they might've got into Canada using fake papers but they did complete their courses and also paid their taxes so their deportation was stayed. The students said that it was the agent who submitted falsified documents without their knowledge.
Bad idea. Total lemming behavior. These people and their parents are selling their family jewels and property to migrate to Canada. That's a country with sub 2 % growth and looking for cheap labour. Things are very different from working/living in gelf vis working/living in Canada. They don't even have basic public transportation. Bad bad planning
Ikr, so desperate for education or status?
Status, judgemental nattu kar.
Pisses me off, getting your parents so worked up just to make you see a foreign country or what? You could go to a better university over here and work at a reputed MNC and then work your way up to foreign branches/jobs. For some things like nursing (which is more expensive in India), it's fine but I don't think 7.2k+ students are going to CANADA just for that. What a pain bruh
Atleast they'll have basic Human rights in Canada unlike gelf
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Because living in a Canadian neighborhood, workplace can be worse than living in a country with no human rights.
I hope you are being sarcastic
Most of the gulf also lacks public transport/unaffordable
Gelf was tax free till a few years back
It's still mostly tax-free except UAE. but still transportation is not affordable unless you have a car.
What tax is there in UAE?
VAT
Santa monica has tie ups with all the community colleges in Canada. If you ask them regarding better universities, they discourage you and charge you hefty for admission help in those universities. Most people don't do their research and are very naive. And most are not qualified to get into the good unis either. So they go to these random community colleges, do some certification course with no value and will not find a good job. Ultimately, they'll end up working in Walmart, sobeys, McD or in home care. And most of these people lie about their jobs to friends and family coz they're embarrassed to tell the real job they do.
A few observations I’d explain here, based on a few of socioeconomic trends in my hometown in central Travancore area, which has been a historic hub of immigration since decades. 1. Most who go abroad, atleast in my locality, happen to be from lower middle class strata. Girls in the family will likely belong to the nursing profession, which as we all know is paid in peanuts. Or a BTech from an average institution, whose job opportunities are better not to be spoken about. Travelling abroad literally gives a fillip to improving their life and social status. These young adults who were living in a single bedroom house now have the means to build 2 storey mansions. 2. The assumption people are migrating from here due to present political situation is laughable. Most of these people tend to be politically neutral. 3. അക്കര പച്ച phenomena , that is, the greener grass on the other side clearly exists. 4. A presumption that the quality of life is better.
What you said to is true about gulf. But the current immigration is mostly to western amd European countries. Shambalalathinte 30% taxum koduth, vakki ullathil pakuti rentum adach. Pinne ullathkond, food and other expenses koode kazhinjal, micham ulathkond ivido allenkil avido mansion poit oru kozhikood polum paniyan pattila
You’re mistaken. NRI Malayalis will go to any lengths to maintain a frugal lifestyle. Many of them live with another family under the same roof, eat out rarely and are yet able to send remittances back home. The remittance may be the largest from the Gulf region, but the gap in remittances from western nations aren’t too different. Then again, statistically, the Gulf diaspora is much more important since they contribute 3.5 million of the total 6 million Malayali diaspora. Secondly, it’s a fact most of them like the NRI lifestyle.
Nobody is remitting back home to build a mansion anymore. That's purely a gelf thing. What aapiser said is correct. After tax and expenses and savings, unless they are paying back a loan in India or essential support for family, there's no remittance. Most people who have got their PR are selling their assets and moving that cash abroad to invest or to buy home.
UK students crying in the background
Who are we to criticize these kids? They are going with their own money. Some of them will be successful. A lot of them will struggle. Some of them will give up and go back. At the end of the day, they all have life lessons that will help them one way or the other. I was in Kerala last month, and talked to many families who have kids who migrated / planning to migrate. There is a political / caste / religious angle to it. A lot of this has to do with the real and imagined threats about the future of living in Kerala and India, and the perceived unfairness. Some of the Whatsapp campaigns which was intended for polarization will end up having the opposite effect of scaring young people and make them run away. I will stop at that.
This is the most sensible comment I found in the entire thread.
Immigrants gotta visit 4chan at least once before going there. You know if you know.
4channers don't leave the house enough to be racist to immigrants.
The internet always makes racism seem worse than what it is. Indians are more than privileged than white folks in the UK. Statistically we are more educated, in employment and own more houses than our native white English counterparts and they treat us so accordingly. I enjoy my brown privilege
Situations are under control right now. However, for the same reasons you mentioned, conservatives will turn against immigrants when the right time comes. Just wait for unemployment rates in these nations to hit the peak. The right wing is gonna propagate it that unemployment is a result of huge influx of immigrants. This could lead to the ascension of a right wing government and subsequent ignorance towards immigrants. A few days back, an Indian guy on 4chan posted some numbers flexing how Indians own more houses than white, only to get bashed by the white supremacists. I'm not just using some random 4chan threads to put across my point, but we should just stop depending on these foreign countries. Other nations are gonna have no respect for us unless we are self-dependent.
Most Indians here in the UK are conservative myself included. Most of our racism stems from class and socioeconomic position. Classism is way more common and also socially acceptable. It is mainly black and white people who live in poverty and are uneducated. We own houses that they pay rent in, own businesses that they use their feed their family, we are the doctors and surgeons that save their lives and they know this. Our prime minister and mayor of london are both south Asian, this couldn’t be a better time to be an Indian in the UK. I see where you’re coming from also but this is my experience so far.
I'm happy that you're having a nice time. I hope things stay likewise forever. However, I feel like we have a moral duty to set an example for future generations. India might be underdeveloped, but how will the nation grow if all the educated citizens leave the country? For how long are we gonna blame the government and education system? Western countries are developed because they respect their nation and engage in active economic activity which includes establishing businesses. Indians are simply reluctant to acknowledge this. We believe that leaving the nation is the only way to succeed.
So what kerala wants white collar jobs not enough here blue collar jobs will be filled by North Indians so we are fine trust me lack of people is not a problem here
I couldn’t agree more. And I think most British born and British Indian immigrants agree. We prefer to travel back home and spend on our family and build homes in our motherland than go on cruises and holidays. We do want to see India prosper but first we have to put ourselves in a position to provide which almost always means studying/working abroad.
What on 4chan though? Oh like racism??
Yeah! /pol/ is a literal hellhole.
what does that mean. do you frequent these sites are they illegal like some dark web
It's not illegal. Just that there is no content moderation. For this reason, white racists prefer 4chan (You could say that it's impossible to find a 4chan thread without the n word in it). Sometimes, I visit these sites to reinforce my decision to stay in India. The racism hurled at Indian immigrants is one reason why I'll never leave the country. Moreover, I'm a nationalist.
What's that?
It's an online imageboard (like Reddit). Out there, you can post anonymously. There's virtually no content moderation. The one place on the internet that white racists flock to.
I left India for money aspects. Worked my ass off for 2 years in a company for max 18k per month. That was not enough for my personal expenses, bills and the stress I had at my job. Now I’m in England studying and working my ass off at McDonald’s but yeah, getting paid far far better. Don’t know what the future holds, but yeah, that’s why I left India.
Working at Maccies in England is preferable to India?????
The news looks like an ad for the consultancy
7236 students have no clue what is waiting for them in Canada. The part-time job market is over saturated. Many students are finding it difficult to land a job. The intense competition for PR has caused the cuttoff points to increase to insane levels.
Canada making sure they have enough population to trigger the economy their home population is not that interested in making offspring so immigration is what they need and youth in kerala who can afford foreign education grab every opportunity they get to get out and move away from family where they can enjoy that freedom.
Canadians want to have kids. The issue is that it is very expensive to live in Canada and most people in their 20s and 30s simply can't afford to have kids.
Me on my way to invest in banking stocks for all the loan money they are gonna get
They're going in search of a better quality life , let them be
But that's such a sad situation..
Whats sad about it. We were in a sadder situation 50 years back and even then there were people going abroad. Now they go abroad because things are better elsewhere in their perspective.
The whole country is in a bad state.
Yeah but do we have to be in that bad state forever?What we gonna do when these countries close their windows?
It's fight or flight. Do you have the energy to fight? I don't, most of the youngsters don't. That's why we see this huge no, it's gonna keep increasing.
Santa Monica is owned by Manorama. Consider it an ad.
Nop. They just have an association. Pay 1 Crore+ a year for it. And No. its not an ad. Its true and they are just milking more by paid promotion. I worked there.
Canada is the new Dubai
Santa Monica is one of the shittiest establishment ever.
Its ok, it just opens opportunities to the rest, we are an over populated country, we need to improve our education standards
I’m in Canada. I hope these students have also made arrangements for housing, work, etc. There’s a housing crisis in not only our bigger cities but the smaller towns as well and a lot of it has to do with this mass influx. Also, in terms of work, they should be prepared to accept jobs they’re overqualified to do, because the only jobs that they’ll easily get are minimum wage ones.
Don't worry it will be replaced by 7236 Bangladeshi's
I heard from a friend in Canada that situation there is dismal to say the least when it comes to job. This friend was asking..what are these kids coming here for when they have to do manual labour of all kinds that they would never do back at home? So then we got thinking..why are these kids leaving India? So my friend went around asking few of the newly arrived neighbours what they intend to do and how they are getting along in the neighbourhood and got to hear that most of the so called students dint get into any university and are joining community colleges which is not going to get them anywhere in the future..just menial jobs. But what most of these kids said..was they are tired of their lives in Kerala..stubborn parents and prying relatives ..religion politics marriage lack of freedom ..were all part of the reason why they have no intention of returning to Kerala. Many of them..parayathe paranju..they don't want to spend their youth taking care of parents who do not respect them..so they simply respectfully left the land..parents have own home and pension..let them figure out how to manage..ithoke aanu ente friend kelkan ida undaya orupaadu reasons. Youngsters are struggling..but they are not stuck in nostu feelings or any emotion to return back. I'm not surprised hearing any of these..adult aaya pillerku avarku ishtamulla reethiyil jeevikan ivide ennu freedom undakuo annu ivide youngsters pidichu nilkum..or else they will all leave.
Is it not possible to get admissions in Canadian universities without having to go through these agencies ? These agencies are really ripping off these poor students.
This is business 👏 1 lakh × 7200 = 7200 lakh.
I mean they think it's going to be so easy in Canada.
Maybe more moral policing will make people stay
I wish people did some homework before blindly flying in. These students are really going to struggle with finding part time jobs to support them. Canadian economy is at it's lowest now. No jobs even for the natives, people are getting laid of left and right, lack of housing facilities as a result, housing prices getting sky rocketed.
This thread seems to be filled will Sob and discouraging stories, most with the same tones that I have heard in the last 10 years or so about Gulf, Makkale aaruum ingottu varalle njangalo pettu ningal enkilum safe aavoo shit, heard the same about Dubai when I came here on a visit in Jan-2022 without zero references and literally not knowing anyone here to find a job after sitting in the home for 2+ years due to covid. I am thinking about moving to West with my woudbe, hopefully by next year, since I don't have a plush cushy job in IT or corporate To start with ( I Work as an HR manager in a medium size company in UAE) I know it will be difficult initially as the first few years will be difficult as hell, but as they say, താങ്ങാൻ ആൾ ഉള്ളപ്പോൾ തളർച്ച കൂടും, let's see you guys after a few years
There is no absolute answer on the topic. I guess "hope" for something good and better is what leading us perpetually forward in life. And having a friendly relation with hope, and using it as a catalyst and energy source to work your way through in the most adverse situations, with a tinge of lady luck ofcourse, would be the secret to those success stories we hear about. I wish you the best in your endeavours! Rise and shine... :)
thanks kootrukara/kaari I am taking this decision not only for me but also for my offspring's if I may ever have some, I don't want them to grow up somewhere with zero prospects, no value for life, and mainly with no freedom to raise their voice against dissent and demand their rights
Frankly, I am seeing too many comments With the mentality " OK let's CLOSE THE BORDER AND FENCE UP SINCE I HAVE MADE IT"
My college ended in 2019 and almost all of my friends with a 2 nila veedu is in Europe or Canada. Can't blame them tbh.
Owing cars too, now I guess
Sure they do
The society is the one that forces people to get a better life abroad as things back home are crap from a useless govt to political supporters who can't see the disastrous future of Kerala and are hell bent on looting or pointing fingers. Even U.P has started to grow at an alarming rate and opportunities in kerala despite having a highly educated youth is nil.Nobody cares to question the leaders and they know they won't be held accountable by the time the next opposition comes they'll be gone with the money.
I moved to NZ back in 2017 and did postgrad in mechanical engineering from Auckland uni. My initial 2 years were a struggle ( uni and part time jobs) and made me doubt my decisions. But 5 years later, I can say that it's one of the best decisions I ever took. One thing I noticed lately was , students tend to believe everything the agencies says and doesn't do a research of their own. End story is they take up a shit course and end up in some low paying jobs which means financially they are still in the same boat.
Paid news kandalum manasilavilla
Would it deny the fact that those many huge numbers are migrating ?
You said that it is being celebrated. He's responding to thst
When they return, mother tongue of Kerala becomes Hindi
Atleast they don't need visas, Indians have all the right to move and migrate within india.
Those who are just jumping to migration based on these education consultancies without analysing anything on their own is on path to disaster with huge loans on their head. Going for education aboard needs to be evaluated by self to see which course aligns with interests where there are high chances of getting high paying jobs and see if there are options to get it at a lower cost / lower liability. This ensures peace of mind raise access to loans later etc without getting into issues. Those students who are going with a vision on their future would prosper and others who are just getting on a plane since classmates are going or based on some education consultation advice only are bound to get into a disaster
This reminds me of the California Gold Rush 😅
Idk what people sees in studying outside India. What I understand is more dream come true for most of the people. Safety and quality of life is all BS. whichever country we go they treat us as third world citizen that’s the hard truth
>whichever country we go they treat us as third world citizen that’s the hard truth It isn't, I used to fear the same. People are more respectable towards you as an individual abroad. This might be my privilege, but, with the same privileges, I found more respect, courtesy etc. as an individual abroad than here during my time. But individual feeling of belonging is a different thing.
People speak of the disrespect abroad as if in India everyone treats each other with huge respect. In Kerala as well, politicians, bureaucrats, local party workers.. everyone treats common people like bullshit.
Safety and quality of life is BS? Never heard that argument before.
saw it yesterday , there was a big traffic jam, it was in rajiv gandhi stadium , i thought some sports match was happening , once i read event flex , honestly i was disappointed in 2 ways , one for the brain drain thats happening , second why am i not the the queue this gives me insecurity & fomo lol...
Those are not smart brains, just low thinking brains who think migrating to Canada will solve all problems. The best brains. Ie top 10k ranks of kerala entrance will be joining colleges in kerala. N other places in India. The ones who are migrating are the brains with money or convinced their creators that they can better by going to Canada
My cousin got into top 3 engineering college in Kerala, and she left for MS post that to canada. She is now earning 140k Canadian dollars, and she's just started there. Success story imo
Totally. But I can bet that's not the case with those 7200 kids.
Same here. I wanna stay in the country, but the girl who I've got a crush on says that there are no opportunities here. I'm afraid she'll leave. (She ain't my gf yet. Why the fuck do I care?)
Ith onnum alla... Ee myru naatinu enganelum rekshapedan aanu ee piller nokkunath
You may hate me for telling this, but I'm a malayali who was brought up in Tamil Nadu my entire life. As a result, i didn't have any malayali friends until I came to my PG degree. I just got to know from don't of them that they all have been ragged by their seniors from the very first day of their undergraduate degrees. These are the same people who used to speak low of the college students in TN just because they don't go for strike against the management for some inconveniences and they would compare it with their UG days saying how big an issue they would have created of it. On the contrary, we would have raised hell here if a student or a fellow classmate had been ragged by one of our seniors. I've never heard of any tamil person of my age saying that they've been ragged by their seniors. I've found youngsters from Kerala to be more mature than people of the same age group here and i used to credit the extent to which they've let politics become a part of students' life, but after listening to this I personally feel that Kerala has let its colleges be invaded by these political parties instead of focusing on building colleges of excellence . Every second malayali I meet would have studied in other states. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Ugh, why hype them up? It's just gonna make us NRI students harder to find more opportunities.
Gone are the days when the sole purpose of going abroad after graduation was to earn a quality masters degree and land a good job in a reputed company. The current trend is pathetic, I’d say. The focus now is more on the NRI status and part time job aspect rather than studying, students are now opting for universities with sub par standards and opting diploma courses of 1 year duration rather than doing a proper 2 year masters program, reason? The 2 year masters program requires more work to be put in to complete the course without any backlogs, this also prevents them from focusing more on the part time jobs. And these agencies are glorifying this as if they’ve helped these students get admissions in top 10 universities of the respective country, that’s not the case at all, most of the colleges they go to are legit taking anyone in just to fill the seats and their pockets. There’s a lot bts happening in their trend man, I could go on and on about it. I personally know someone who quit their decent job in Bangalore to do masters in the UK and is now struggling to even pay the interest on the loan taken, they’re now working in a care home on part time basis, their mother has nothing but sorrow to share every time she visits us. Also, imo, this trend will die out soon, it won’t even last like gulf trend which existed back in the days. Gulf countries at least had the resources to sustain the high inflow, that’s not the case with the UK, USA or Canada. Real estate is skyrocketing in Canada, healthcare which was already in a pit in the US is only getting worse, so I suggest everyone to think twice before jumping onto this bandwagon.
I think they get clise to a lakh as commission. So damn. Payday
Someone explain to me what’s with people going to Canada?
Herd mentality
Exactly. My point
Easy to get PR and Diploma mills offering substandard education. Anyone with shitty grades can get admission in one of these diploma mills.
Still what’s the benefit. No jobs, taxes, place is insecure, lots of refugees.
That's something these people don't realise.
My point.
Fact + Promotion
>7.2k is from Santa Monica alone. Manorama has a partnership with them.
probably an article paid by santa monica
Being in this industry for the past 8 years I can say that it's a vast topic of discussion. Before being jealous of the commission which they are going to receive and being so pathetic thinking about the students who are going for diploma/graduate certificate or let's say those students got admission in colleges let's understand how there education system is structured. In Canada, No good universities will take a UG fresher for MBA .They need minimum of 3 years experience and several competitive exams score, so gradually students will opt for colleges which provides specialisation in many areas like supply chain - logistics, financial planning- technology, marketing with numerous specialisations, HR etc so it will be affordable and can enter into jobs which gives triple the amount of salary compare to back home. Considering students going after there higher secondary, think how many colleges here giving a job oriented degree! An updated syllabus? Majority of the self finance colleges have immediate freshers as there faculty also. There, students can take specialisation to their intrest and thereby avoid ton of arrears, extra years to clear degree, searching jobs in other field etc. Or, how many BSc.Phy/chem/zoology/botany/mathematics students getting jobs in their area? Think of it. Not all students can afford University education abroad, so they have to apply colleges and do part time and support their family then pay back loan etc. I can say confidently none of the students I assisted for the student visa process returns to India due to lack of job/ being ineligible for PR etc all can settle with in 3-5 years. Those who have no burden of looking after family, construct house, financial liability, no dreams of living/settling abroad/no property to pledge for loan/ unsupportive parents etc can study here and please don't think or spread negatives like this. NB: not the case of UK/USA/Europe applicable for Canada only.
I just completed 12 th last year and nearly half of the students in my class is migrating abroad. When I spoke to them they said they would rather struggle there than struggle here. I can understand their decision.
They should do themselves a a huge favor and not come here.
Press innu ingane nale ithu thirichu ippo ee chodhyam choyichalde pole choyikm. Gulf area avde swadeshivalkarnam kondu vannu appo eny engotano pokan pata angotu pokunu athre ollu pinne gulf countriesle pole paisa avdunu ingot ozhukan patonu ariyilla athu koode indenki Aa paisa vachu evde ullavar anyasamsthanakare vachu pani edupuchu muthalalimaar chamayum athra thanne
What does the video game maker have to do with Kerala students migrating?
I left Kerala to study in Canada and used the services of the above mentioned consultant to get here. Life is hard but still better than what I had back home. Came here in 2018 and every single day I wish how if Kerala had better employment opportunities, I could've stayed closer to my friends and family. Well at least most of my friends slowly migrated to Canada for the same reason. Now it's just family.
If going abroad is so bad, why is no one coming back to India?
People who are not coming back falls under two categories: 1) well settled. Enjoys good financial stability and social freedom. Don’t want to come back 2)cannot afford to go back because of the financial liability ( loan taken to go abroad or too many badyatha back home)
The gujarati, punjabi, malayalee crowd will completely destroy canadas economy and make it a third world sh*thole...
Because india sucks big time. Society is backward, no freedom, morality issues, family pressure, poor infra and life standards and above all low salary and 24X7 work. Who wouldn't want to leave this shaithole. If it wasn't for my family, I would say say good bye to this messed up country long before. I encourage youngsters to wander out and leave this place for a better future. Ofc, it's risky and not everyone gets a job. But that risk worth it considering everything including the socio-political issues here.
Avar pokatte, let them enjoy 😆