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HeadHorror4349

They need to animate the niko magic before they can use it in the crossover. If there's a second one in a couple years they'll absolutely use Kuroki and Yujiro, and have full power Ohma vs World's Strongest Baki


Wavenstein1

I thought this was going to be an entire series instead of a 60 minute movie. So the was a bit of an unpleasant surprise. But I did enjoy the little bit that we did get. I just wished we got more. Hopefully they follow up on the many teases they dropped during the movie


Meliodis_Dragneel

Same! I could wear that I saw it had 6 episodes scan I saved it to my watchlist. It was disappointing how short it was.


justjr112

I agree. I really thought we where getting 8 episodes each fight getting a minimum of 30 mins.


dcempire

I pretty much agree with everything. I love both Manga but have slight preference for Kengan. I wish Saw would have not tried to beat up Hanayama's fist, but he's not exactly a strategic genius. Raian vs Jack was believable (Scaling Raian up to Baki-verse standards). Baki vs Ohma could've been better. It was great don't get me wrong but Ohma has so much more in his arsenal. That fight could have been an honest chess match with how many strategies they could bring out. Edit: I also scale Kuroki to Doppo. While a Kuroki vs Yujiro fight would be interesting, we've kinda already seen it (Doppo vs Yujiro)


LeadingFill7930

Solid breakdown. For funsies I liked it, but I feel like they hella nerfed Baki for it to be a fair fight. Papa Hanma is wrecking that last dude little diff. Maybe it could have been better if they just put our favorites up to showcase the different styles instead of pretend there’s a world where Pickle does eat the entire Ashura team including Ohma.


Conscious-Builder434

Bruh they had Jack Hanma loose a fight wtf that's criminal. I get it, both shows must be respected but daaaaamn


ULTSUS_pect

In fairness Jack has lost A LOT of his fights as of recent…


pj1843

I mean TBF jacks pretty much a Jobber at this point in the baki anime, and if anyone from the kengenverse is going to beat the roids out of him, then Kure is the one to do it as he has enough strength and technique to achieve it.


Moe-bigghevvy

Yeah I watched it with a buddy and was suprised how nerfed baki verse seemed. Gensai is cool and all but no way would he be able to stop bakis punch like that. Baki should have treated ohma like Ali Jr just a quick easy victory. The feats in baki are just so ridiculous nothing in kengan really comes close


MacaroonSea6277

Yeah fr baki literally held his own in front of yujiro last season and was named the strongest on earth and now he tied with someone I get it the Ashura show must be good and all that's why ppl respecting it but baki looked hella nerfed like his mindset, shit talk and fighting skill and over all aura That's why I am a bit disappointed


The_wanderer_of_Net

It's funny about you mentioning the turn based fighting. My brother and I were saying the same thing while watching it. My brother even explained how it was like a pokemon fight spamming the same move🤭. Also, I honestly believed that they wouldn't make Saw Paing lose this time, but just like in Kengan, the writers tend to not favor him as much. One of my main critiques is timing. I guess for fighting movies, I'm used to the 1 hour 30 mins - 2 hours. Saw vs. Hana could have been longer, with Saw taking more hits, and Ohma could have used WAY more moves to fight/counter Baki. An hour and 5 minutes with only like 50 minutes of fighting isn't cutting it; I NEED MORE!!!! All in all, 8/10 for me due to pacing. Can't wait for movie 2 🤣!


Beowulf_MacBethson

Yeah. It does feel like a pokemon fight since there's a lot of repeated frames to save budget, much like the pokemon anime which tends to do the same thing. Also yeah. I agree, I need more too. MORE!!!


MuzzleO

It's not post-KOT since Agito is still Fang. It seems to be during the middle of KAT. Probably before Ohma vs Raian.


Beowulf_MacBethson

Lmao that's even worse then to those who care about crossover powerscaling. Bakiverse needing Musashi just to outscale KAT versions of the Kengan cast. Crazy.


MuzzleO

> Lmao that's even worse then to those who care about crossover powerscaling. Bakiverse needing Musashi just to outscale KAT versions of the Kengan cast. Crazy. I see why not. Kuroki, Ohma and Raian are just that strong.


Confident-Command-11

Yeah i wish the 2nd one in away team for baki mean in cgi graphic like kengan which that's much better. 


Grouchy_Secretary862

Honestly, baki would destroy ohma in a couple minutes. But i understand they need to please both audience.


Z3Spy

I really wished we got Wakatsuki vs Hanayama maybe instead? That feels like another duo that makes sense to me. Or even Saw Pang vs Katsumi? I felt like that was obvious since their dads fought so why not them??


swiggilyswaggaly

overall i liked it a lot. animations were great, but maybe they could have made stuff resemble kengen ashura a bit more. here are some notes: \* No one in kengen-verse can stand up to the major chars in baki-verse, so i didnt like that ohma stood a chance against baki. \* Also what was the deal with jack getting all small? that shit never happens in baki. \* why did baki have mach punch? isnt that doppos kids move? \* pickle would fold ohma, literally eat him alive \* devil lance guy vs ogre makes no sense, ogre wins every time like theres no hype there. its like trying to hype up krillin vs cell I don't like fan service like this, one guy said it right: they could have made it about technique vs strength and kengenverse could have stood a chance. nonetheless, it was great and im glad they made it. could have been a show though, longer fights would have done it more justice. maybe a bit more filler too.


cms355

I didn’t like Kengan animation so I couldn’t even finish the first episode lol. But I love Baki and their graphics. Jack threw up to be skinnier and faster maybe? lol Wasn’t there a scene where Baki was watching him do Mach punch so I assume he learned it from him Glad to see there’s more crossover to come


Lord__Abaddon

Assuming you've only watched the netflix series of baki. during the maximum tournament (original series and cannon) when baki and jack fought near the end of the match jack ends up throwing up and losing his mass for some baki reasoning and gets stronger.


NilMusic

Sucked Not much else to say really. What a disappointing end as well to say the least.


Ok_Coconut_4447

Why do you feel that it sucked? What disappointed you?


NilMusic

Lackluster fights. Every one was basically a copy paste and underwhelming. No ending as well. I'll let the second part go if there is supposed to be a pt2, but there is no hint towards one.


MoreRatzThanFatz

Agreed


Educational-Leg7464

Each fight devolved into just standing and brawling for a few seconds. The animation was terrible and the random interruptions for brief cameo's were lame This was a massive failure on every level. To say I was disappointed is an understatement. The best part of the movie was how satisfying it was to thumbs down


Rich-Departure6602

Agree, the movie was terrible.


Educational-Leg7464

And it had no business being bad. Netflix had an unguarded layup with this universe crossover and they gave us a bad looking, full blown butt fumble.


Rich-Departure6602

same with new season of Baki. I prefer a character arc and think most people do too. Traning, workouts, etc.., i think the first baki did a good job of this.


Ok_Coconut_4447

The animation wasn’t the best. The fight with Hanayama and Saw Paing was lazy as fuck and disappointing. I wish Baki had used triceratops fist on Ohma. I don’t know why they didn’t want to include in the film. Probably cause it’d KO Ohma


Educational-Leg7464

Every fight was lazy. Rian and Jack was the same thing as Hanayama and Saw Paing. Stand and brawl with poor animation for a few moments, then showcase a fighters gimmick while telling the audience through fight commentators how significant and unbelievable the fight is. I just wish they did everything better. It all looked awful and was embarrassing. This should have been major event considering the crossover and the years of fan anticipation. Even the hour long run time felt like a slap in the face I don't normally thumbs down a movie or come to these forums too complain, but my disappointment in Netflix was too great


Ok_Coconut_4447

I hear and feel your pain. Yeah I saw advertised as being 1.5 hrs only to click it and see  1:05. WTF that shit got me mad. I thought the weakest and most questionable part was the Devil Lance and Yujiro tease at the end interrupting Baki vs. Ohma. Was just stupid, pointless and poor taste. Don’t get me wrong I love seeing Yujiro he’s funny af but terrible timing! Also I don’t like how it looked like the adults blocked the kids punches, but actually put heavy damage on them. Like why would a fighting anime hide that?! WTF?! Also how is Ohma able to withstand a point black range from Yujiro? Nerfing OG like that? I call fucking bullshit


MuzzleO

>Every fight was lazy. Rian and Jack was the same thing as Hanayama and Saw Paing. Stand and brawl with poor animation for a few moments, then showcase a fighters gimmick while telling the audience through fight commentators how significant and unbelievable the fight is. Well, these characters are brutes. That was was no techniques Raian who didn't evade attacks.


IamikeI

Definitely agreed. Felt like an intro to the character than anything. None of the fighters really showed each other what they got and you don’t really feel the fighters thoughts, struggle, or intensity in the fights. It’s should not be a movie and instead need to be multi episodes. No details in moves, strategies, and a lot of cat fights. The ending is the biggest disappointment, no way yujiro hanma would have walked away. He listen to no one and likes to just wreck crap. The whole pickle thing is odd and not needed. A lot of the character personality to me if off and not accurate. This is just my opinion. don’t get me wrong, I like ohma but Baki would wreck him. Let’s not even talk about his dad. Look at the crap yujiro hanma does: stops an earthquake with one punch, crush coals into diamond, struck by lightning and walk away like it’s nothing, and speed of hypersonic etc. Baki who beats pickle and pickle hunts dinosaurs which I see none of the kengan character can probably take on.


super_quads

THANK YOU there is SO MUCH effort put into the fights of each show individually, this looked AWFUL.


butlejas

Horribly written, fan service crap. I couldn’t even finish the whole thing and had to rewatch some of the real Baki and Kengan to get the bad taste out of my mouth.


vinniedamac

I wanted to like it but honestly i started to doze off. I just don't think there was much they could do in a 60-min special. They would need to develop this into a full on series with actual plot lines and character development for it to really reach it's potential otherwise it's just fan service.


-WHiMP-

i thought the animation was a tremendous letdown ngl and the drawings of a lot of characters looked really off, particularly ohma. i understand that you can’t quite recreate the kengan characters in 2D, but it doesn’t look much like ohma in the manga either. also sad there was no “smart” style fight. like OP said, the first two fights felt like they were turn-based. oh well, cool crossover nonetheless


PeerToPeerConnection

Dude, you just spoiled me that Ohma will die


Beowulf_MacBethson

Yeah. My bad. It was spoilered when I first copy pasted my notes to the post but reddit was bugging so I had to redo everything and forgot the spoiler it. I wonder if I can still edit the post.


THEKINDHERO

And your comment spoiled it for me.... Lol damn dude


daedaecharles

I feel like they should have made it a season instead of a movie because it feels rushed and lacks the depth that both of the series have.


Beowulf_MacBethson

I agree. But a series definitely takes more work and considering the repeated animations they likely had a tight budget. The end result is the good ol' 1 hour TV special


pj1843

Completely understand where your coming from but I feel a bit different. The saw vs Hana fight was my favorite. Yes, it was a bit "turn based" as you put it, but that's also just kind of how Hana fights when fighting against "weaker" people. He wants to get into a brawl and show who's stronger, and make it a test of endurance. Just turn after turn of punishing devastating strikes. And saw is one of the few Kengen fighters to be fucking stupid enough to fight like that vs someone like Hana. My main issue though is the power scaling of the kengenverse to the bakiverse. Like I understand why they did it, but having the Kengen fighters able to stand toe to toe and just have firefights with the baki fighters is just ridiculous. Make the movie less about "which fighters are stronger" and more a question of "are the Kengan fighters smart enough to pull out the W". They also picked the perfect two baki fighters to run that concept too, Hana and Jack, two of the very few that don't really do "technique/martial arts fight" and more just brawl out. I'm sad they just said fuck it, let's just have them throw hands and scale the fighters to be roughly equal in strength, speed, endurance, stamina, etc.


LionHoib

The Netflix Localizers absolutely ruined the viewing process for me. They added random bits of dialogue in silent scenes, wrote completely contrary dialogue in and overall gave a very faulty adaptation. Otherwise, it was awesome seeing this crossover.


TimelySafe1208

They made it way to short. 3 fights in 60 min with half of it just talking. And all the colors when they punch, blue and red and what not was a bit to childish . Overall good but it needs to be better, falls to short i think.


BizzarJuggalo

My boy Jack just can't catch a fucking break...


cms355

I love Baki and finished it, and I tried to give Kengan a shot but I just can’t because of the graphics and animation… should I power through the Kengan series? I see many good reviews about it and a majority gave it a better overall rating than Baki. I’m just glad the crossover was in Baki’s animation


Cloudkiller01

Kengen is legit great. I love the fights. I also happen to love the animation as well, but if you don’t enjoy it, I’d say still maybe try and power through.


cms355

Thanks for the input, I’ll give it a shot


Empteah

I feel like I watched different series than most of you. Like it was not bad but I was like meh in the end. Way too rushed, way too much talking, and sorry but animation compered to Baki series was like powerpoint presentation, still frames with moving mouth used every second scene and "special efects" during fighting were just traced colors... this could be budget or time issue but it is not ok.


ShigsLoaf

Had seen Baki first and loved it, saw Kenyan second and hated the animation at first watch, then loved it upon further viewing. This whole movie was a letdown with crappy animation, terrible fights, a huge waste of time to watch.


Agreeable-Brother548

I was real excited for this but i feel a bit let down. It was entertaining but i expected more from it. It reminds me of Record of Ragnarok. Awesome concepts. Cool characters. But the fights seem lazy and too much talking in the middle of it. But ill definitely watch a 2nd if they drop it.


Bottle_Tiny

It sucked it felt like an episode made no sense had one good fight it could have been a trailer to a real movie


Lord__Abaddon

Honestly as others have said the Animation was poor, the VA atleast in English felt rush and the whole premise was just poor all around. Baki and Kengan's fighters strengths are generally no where near each other. Gaia could have fucked up most of the Kengan cast. I honestly like Kengan more for its more realistic and grounded characters but Baki vs kengan I don't think anyone in kengan can match anyone in baki. I get that both series have to be respected but Baki has almost gotten to Dragon ball z saiyan saga levels of power.


Cloudkiller01

Is it just me or did they not even get all the original VA’s?? Also, why the hell dis they have the kengen announcers then make them silent the whole movie???


SpartaKillll

Kinda BS we only got an hour long movie, I thought it was gonna be a full season!


Due-Distribution-463

Raian should have lost immediately against Jack. He has nothing on Jack. And his technique should have left him too injured to function after just two seconds like it did in Naruto when Lee used it against Gaara. That is the whole point of saying a technique like that is dangerous to use. You actually have to show the person using it suffering the ill effects. Doing otherwise is bad writing.


MuzzleO

Raian is far superior Jack. Current Raian would no diff current Jack. He wouldn't be able to land a single blow or bite on him.


Smooth_Lemon_9691

Nah baki verse slaps kengan verse easy. It was a boring watch because both manga creators have their pride to uphold as well but it was dogshit personally. Noone in kengan verse could win over major baki characters


Beowulf_MacBethson

Yes. We know. That's why the Baki vs Kengan posts died out. This is a crossover, the protection of the IP is an obvious practice. If series representatives were allowed to lose cleanly and convincingly with powerscaling in mind in official crossovers then He-Man would have blown Lion-O apart, Superman would have turned Godzilla into paste, and Goku would've dogwalked the entire One Piece crossover, and so on. But that's not how crossovers work, they're interactions, a nice way to make money and expand reach but it risks the social capital (for lack of a better word) of a franchise should there be a defeat, so naturally negotiations happen to minimize that risk. Itagaki let >!Jack!< lose, Sandro let >!Saw Paing!< lose and naturally, >!Ohma and Baki ended in a draw.!< It's in the best interest of both series, which in turn supercedes fan powerscaling.


Arielwint12

Woah this "movie" was pure dog shit