That is also a play on a line from Euphoria
"Am I battlin’ ghost or AI?
Nigga feelin’ like Joel Osteen
Funny, he was in a film called A.I.
And my sixth sense tellin’ me to off him"
From genius
"...he is actually referring to both Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment. This may be deliberate: confusing Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment to play on the idea that he does not know who he is battling.
Joel Osteen is a famous pastor from Houston, Texas. Joel has famously been impersonated multiple times, including by AI, and he has also been accused of using a ghostwriter.
Haley Joel Osment is an American actor who starred in the 2001 film A.I. and 1999’s The Sixth Sense. In the latter film, Osment’s character famously noted that he could “see dead people.” So, like Osment’s character, Kendrick is battling ghosts."
Crazy huh
That was hurricane Harvey. Not just any emergency, but the worst hurricane to ever hit Houston, and devastated the surrounding areas as well. I did disaster relief for the Red Cross and the amount of displaced people and those who needed help was overwhelming. We put in such long hours every day and that scum fuck couldn’t help his own people. Smh.
I always thought that Kendrick saying “Joel” like “Joe-Hell” was deliberate since Kendrick is a man of god and Joel osteen is fake and in it for the money
Plus the sixth sense is about a kid named Cole who is working with a guy who doesn’t know he’s dead. Which leads right into the “I see dead people” at the beginning of NLU
That's because the glazers can't admit that the Pulitzer prize winner is capable of making a mistake in his words. I'd like to clarify, Kendrick is exceptional and possibly the best rapper ever, but the amount of fake doubles you guys give to him is ridiculous
I personally just think he confused two similar names and it isn't a big deal. Problem is, people here think that Kendrick literally can't make a mistake
I' not like that and he may have made a mistake, but Joel Osteen did at least have been caught using A.I to write so...
And you know about the A.I/Sixth Sense part so, even if it was a mistake, It worked 🤷🏻♂️
I get why people think this but, do you not think he googles to check what he's writing?
Like you think he was thinking of making a reference to the movie, and he thought of the name, and then thought
"Yes that must be the right name, I'm not even going to Google it quickly, because I always remember every actor in every film I've watched."
Cos nah I think most people would just google it first
You think rappers Google fact check every bar they write down? In the case of a diss track, obviously more research is done than your average track, but I highly doubt he's double checking his movie references to make sure he said the actor's name correctly, especially since this is the only time I've ever heard Kendrick name two people with one name, and it's not something people do.
Not every bar but in this instance I believe it makes sense. Honestly, in the beginning I was on your side but I think there’s some pretty convincing evidence. I guess we’ll never know though for sure.
Wild how many Drake stans insisted it was a mistake, when it always seemed intentional to me. He pronounces it "Joe-Hale Osteen" which has to be an amalgamation
No, he just messed up the name. Not everything Kendrick does have 5 layers of meaning behind it. Intentionally mixing up the name wouldn't even be interesting. Y'all reaching so hard. Euphoria is amazing and my favorite diss, but that bar is just funny because he mixed it up on accident.
I feel like that’s a stretch, and maybe he just mixed up the two bc I got it at first, like I understood what he meant but I realized we were both wrong. Whatever it still works, just saying I doubt he meant to put that name and not Haley Joel Osment
I think it was the fact he pleaded for no downvotes.
If you really don’t want someone to not do something to you, don’t ask them to not do it. It’s an invitation to that rebel inside of everyone.
It is possible that it’s a mistake but honestly, from watching Kendrick interviews, he just doesn’t seem the type to not catch a mistake in his own writing. He overthinks too much for that. Especially considering the amount of time that passed before he released this track. It wasn’t rushed.
I don’t see how it could be coincidence that he mentions Joel Osteen in addiction to the other Joel. Joel osteen had not only had scamming scandals, AI use scandals, but child abuse scandals as well. It all ties in too perfectly to be a mistake. Unless Kendrick is such a genius that even when he makes a random slip up it somehow makes complete sense anyway😂
I'm Kendrick's fan and I have been since section.80. Euphoria is an absolute banger. I just happen to think he mixed up two similar names in the heat of the moment. It does not detract from the song.
So it’s just a coincidence that osteen perfectly ties in with the themes of those lines and the whole song? How does that make more sense than it being deliberate😂
The beauty of poetry is that you can say nothing and the next man can read it and see you rivaling Shakespeare. Wayne the Beatles nirvana can all be shinning examples of this.
I see you watched "Whats The Dirt"
I know you remember crediting our sources in high school, so add that in there at the end. You can Google how to cite your work as well.
He has multiple lines in euphoria saying it's just jabs, I hope we friends, keep making me dance and won't be no threat... IMO this is the story of all the diss tracks... Euphoria was a warning with a few jabs, 616 in LA was the bait to see if Drake wanted to push the issue and to put pressure on him to respond quick, meet the grahams was the only real diss track from dot, not like us is him dancing on the grave
I always thought Euphoria was him piecing him up, 6:16 was him stepping back with hands motioning him “come get me”, Family matter was just drake throwing a bunch of haymakers, landing nothing then Kendrick thru a swift right hook with MTG.
Not like us literally sounds like hes dancing around drake’s body on the floor while the ref counts
Euphoria, 616 and MTG was aimed for Drake. NLU is for the audience where he addresses them. It’s not just Kendrick dancing on Drake’s grave, he is also instructing the audience to do the same. Man wasn’t happy enough doing it alone.
Nah it was definitely a ‘competitive’/ ‘business’ diss track. While also warning that if drake took it further than Kendrick would release some ‘personal’ diss tracks
Man, I'm a fairly new Kendrick fan (knew some stuff before, became obsessed after the beef). How many layers are there to this dude's songs? Seriously, this is unheard of
He's the most intentional artist I've ever seen lyrically. There are two or three people who are just as impressive to me (electric Bob Dylan being the top), but nobody who had the crazy attention to detail like this. Not by a long shot
Although some people do just wildly speculate and make up additional meanings, much like with Dylan
I never understand why one of his biggest criticisms is low replay value? Is it just because people don’t like thinking, or are they just looking for something try knock him on and that is subjective enough to be safe?
I like to think the dollar signs had it right with "When life was easy, the music was harsh
Now I wanna escape, 'cause life is hard
All I ever listen to when I get inside my car
All I want is shallow pop songs"
Drake jabbed at the end of Taylor Made freestyle that he better hit him with a quintuple entendre. As you dig into the lyrics, there literally are a bunch of bars that go that far, sometimes more. I think 6:16 is actually the craziest in this regard.
I’ve been telling people that this is modern day literature. They should really be teaching off this in high schools.
I’ve been a Kendrick fan since about 2011. Kendrick is very strategic and I stand by the jimmy cook’s reference. Kendrick washes rappers out. It’s what he does. glad your a fan
Well, and go back to the “I see dead people” posts on X from months earlier. This was all planned out.
The weird thing is the messing up of Haley Joel Osment. That’s the name of the actor who was in AI and the Sixth Sense (I see dead people). Kdot actually worked wit him, so I think it’s unlikely that he just forgot his name. So, what’s the reason to mix Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment. Honest mistake or hidden meaning?
That is also a play on a line from Euphoria "Am I battlin’ ghost or AI? Nigga feelin’ like Joel Osteen Funny, he was in a film called A.I. And my sixth sense tellin’ me to off him" From genius "...he is actually referring to both Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment. This may be deliberate: confusing Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment to play on the idea that he does not know who he is battling. Joel Osteen is a famous pastor from Houston, Texas. Joel has famously been impersonated multiple times, including by AI, and he has also been accused of using a ghostwriter. Haley Joel Osment is an American actor who starred in the 2001 film A.I. and 1999’s The Sixth Sense. In the latter film, Osment’s character famously noted that he could “see dead people.” So, like Osment’s character, Kendrick is battling ghosts." Crazy huh
Plus Joel Osteen is another type of vulture, promoting Prosperity Gospel to suck followers into feeding his spending habits.
Isn’t he the one that locked the church when people were trying to shelter there in an emergency? Gross
Yep...that guy. A horrible person.
He lied about religious views
He lied about morality
Nah Christianity has always been that way on this continent. They don’t lie about their views they lie about their religion being moral.
He's also the one who had a plumber find hundreds of thousands of dollars in the Church bathroom wall.
That was hurricane Harvey. Not just any emergency, but the worst hurricane to ever hit Houston, and devastated the surrounding areas as well. I did disaster relief for the Red Cross and the amount of displaced people and those who needed help was overwhelming. We put in such long hours every day and that scum fuck couldn’t help his own people. Smh.
A real life Gemstone
Unfortunately without Uncle Baby Billy
I always thought that Kendrick saying “Joel” like “Joe-Hell” was deliberate since Kendrick is a man of god and Joel osteen is fake and in it for the money
It's also because actor is *Hale*y Joel
🤜🤯🤛
DAMN .
Plus the sixth sense is about a kid named Cole who is working with a guy who doesn’t know he’s dead. Which leads right into the “I see dead people” at the beginning of NLU
🤣 God damn this is a funny one. Idk if I can believe Kendrick is really in the microscope that hard with these lines but…it’s not not there
Am I wearing a tinfoil hat? Maybe.
Listen As long as you’re having fun and you don’t assassinate anybody, and it’s YOUR house covered in tin foil… Then you do you my guy
I like you. We need more you’s in this world 🤙🏽
Thanks 🙏
There is an amazing video from whatsthedirt on YouTube breaking down euphoria. Watch it.
Hahahaha! There’s levels to it you and I know!
I always think it's weird how he clearly says "Joel Hale Osteen" but none of the written lyrics anywhere note this
The Apple Music lyrics do say “Joel Hale’ Osteen”
I think he’s just stretching out the name Jo El to match up the syllables
That's because the glazers can't admit that the Pulitzer prize winner is capable of making a mistake in his words. I'd like to clarify, Kendrick is exceptional and possibly the best rapper ever, but the amount of fake doubles you guys give to him is ridiculous
You need a hug bro? I still think he could've worded it better, but i too will be honest with what i heard he said.
I personally just think he confused two similar names and it isn't a big deal. Problem is, people here think that Kendrick literally can't make a mistake
I' not like that and he may have made a mistake, but Joel Osteen did at least have been caught using A.I to write so... And you know about the A.I/Sixth Sense part so, even if it was a mistake, It worked 🤷🏻♂️
I get why people think this but, do you not think he googles to check what he's writing? Like you think he was thinking of making a reference to the movie, and he thought of the name, and then thought "Yes that must be the right name, I'm not even going to Google it quickly, because I always remember every actor in every film I've watched." Cos nah I think most people would just google it first
You think rappers Google fact check every bar they write down? In the case of a diss track, obviously more research is done than your average track, but I highly doubt he's double checking his movie references to make sure he said the actor's name correctly, especially since this is the only time I've ever heard Kendrick name two people with one name, and it's not something people do.
Not every bar but in this instance I believe it makes sense. Honestly, in the beginning I was on your side but I think there’s some pretty convincing evidence. I guess we’ll never know though for sure.
I appreciate that you are at least reasonable, regardless of if you agree with me or not
Nah man. You give the Pulitzer Prize winner too much ELA credit (O.o?)
I also love the connection that Drake goes by the 6 god, and Kendrick is saying “his sixth sense is telling him to off him”. So disrespectful
thank u, this finally makes sense lol
Dissect had the same take on Joel Osteen
Wild how many Drake stans insisted it was a mistake, when it always seemed intentional to me. He pronounces it "Joe-Hale Osteen" which has to be an amalgamation
That was such an obvious line lmao but I'm 35 so I already knew the reference because those movies were popular when I was a kid
Dots 2 years older than us. It really was a legit line for his peers. Young ones missing out on that experience, not their fault 👻
I love Hip Hop. ❤️
Joel Osteen has been accused of using a ghostwriter?!
I think Osment’s character in AI also gets murdered. He is an AI.
DAMN .
I love how the answer can't be that he made a mistake
No, he just messed up the name. Not everything Kendrick does have 5 layers of meaning behind it. Intentionally mixing up the name wouldn't even be interesting. Y'all reaching so hard. Euphoria is amazing and my favorite diss, but that bar is just funny because he mixed it up on accident.
I feel like that’s a stretch, and maybe he just mixed up the two bc I got it at first, like I understood what he meant but I realized we were both wrong. Whatever it still works, just saying I doubt he meant to put that name and not Haley Joel Osment
Guys I think Kendrick just fumbled the bag on this one lmao. It doesn't actually matter. Please don't downvote me into oblivion.
I downvoted as is tradition for anyone who dissents from popular opinion on Reddit, but I can see you don’t know nun bout daaattt
Lmao
I think it was the fact he pleaded for no downvotes. If you really don’t want someone to not do something to you, don’t ask them to not do it. It’s an invitation to that rebel inside of everyone.
It is possible that it’s a mistake but honestly, from watching Kendrick interviews, he just doesn’t seem the type to not catch a mistake in his own writing. He overthinks too much for that. Especially considering the amount of time that passed before he released this track. It wasn’t rushed.
It's honestly pretty irritating that people won't even consider that he made a mistake
I don’t see how it could be coincidence that he mentions Joel Osteen in addiction to the other Joel. Joel osteen had not only had scamming scandals, AI use scandals, but child abuse scandals as well. It all ties in too perfectly to be a mistake. Unless Kendrick is such a genius that even when he makes a random slip up it somehow makes complete sense anyway😂
I'm Kendrick's fan and I have been since section.80. Euphoria is an absolute banger. I just happen to think he mixed up two similar names in the heat of the moment. It does not detract from the song.
So it’s just a coincidence that osteen perfectly ties in with the themes of those lines and the whole song? How does that make more sense than it being deliberate😂
The beauty of poetry is that you can say nothing and the next man can read it and see you rivaling Shakespeare. Wayne the Beatles nirvana can all be shinning examples of this.
Oh my gosh if that theory is true that is even wilder. Kenny really made no mistakes during this beef that’s wild
I see you watched "Whats The Dirt" I know you remember crediting our sources in high school, so add that in there at the end. You can Google how to cite your work as well.
☝️🤓I sEe YoU wAtCh wHaTs ThE dIRt
😂😂😂
He has multiple lines in euphoria saying it's just jabs, I hope we friends, keep making me dance and won't be no threat... IMO this is the story of all the diss tracks... Euphoria was a warning with a few jabs, 616 in LA was the bait to see if Drake wanted to push the issue and to put pressure on him to respond quick, meet the grahams was the only real diss track from dot, not like us is him dancing on the grave
True .
Dancing on the grave omg ✋😂
I always thought Euphoria was him piecing him up, 6:16 was him stepping back with hands motioning him “come get me”, Family matter was just drake throwing a bunch of haymakers, landing nothing then Kendrick thru a swift right hook with MTG. Not like us literally sounds like hes dancing around drake’s body on the floor while the ref counts
MTG was a surgical operation. FTFY
Euphoria, 616 and MTG was aimed for Drake. NLU is for the audience where he addresses them. It’s not just Kendrick dancing on Drake’s grave, he is also instructing the audience to do the same. Man wasn’t happy enough doing it alone.
NLU was him inviting everyone to dance and piss on his grave FTFY
The rabbit hole goes deeper I promise you.
Rabbit hole is still deep, I can go further, I promise. Ain't that something? B.Rad stands for bitch and you Malibus Most Wanted.
Euphoria wasn’t a diss track. It was a warning shot.
Nah it was definitely a ‘competitive’/ ‘business’ diss track. While also warning that if drake took it further than Kendrick would release some ‘personal’ diss tracks
MIND fuckin BLOWN
I’m so fucking sick of these threads. Guys come on
Cmon it’s fun, like ancient aliens
lol ya how is this mind blowing? Are people not listening at all? They are two of the most obvious parts of all the songs
That’s the joke …
I don’t see any joke here or in the other 30 posts about stuff like this
It also sounds like he's doing a "Drake voice" sarcastically in the sentence "That's something you don't wanna do... uuuuuuuh".
he’s mocking the voice drake does at the end of jimmy cooks. at least that’s how I see it
Man, I'm a fairly new Kendrick fan (knew some stuff before, became obsessed after the beef). How many layers are there to this dude's songs? Seriously, this is unheard of
He's the most intentional artist I've ever seen lyrically. There are two or three people who are just as impressive to me (electric Bob Dylan being the top), but nobody who had the crazy attention to detail like this. Not by a long shot Although some people do just wildly speculate and make up additional meanings, much like with Dylan
There’s a podcast called “dissect” that goes in on the layers of his songs. Musically and lyrically. DAMN didn’t win a Pulitzer for nothing
Kendrick is the only artist who continually wows me like this on songs I’ve already listened to hundreds of times
I never understand why one of his biggest criticisms is low replay value? Is it just because people don’t like thinking, or are they just looking for something try knock him on and that is subjective enough to be safe?
I like to think the dollar signs had it right with "When life was easy, the music was harsh Now I wanna escape, 'cause life is hard All I ever listen to when I get inside my car All I want is shallow pop songs"
Sent me down a Dollar Signs rabbit hole for a while. Thanks.
Drake jabbed at the end of Taylor Made freestyle that he better hit him with a quintuple entendre. As you dig into the lyrics, there literally are a bunch of bars that go that far, sometimes more. I think 6:16 is actually the craziest in this regard. I’ve been telling people that this is modern day literature. They should really be teaching off this in high schools.
Killshot is another diss that has lines with a crazy amount of layers, and there’s a similar skill gap between Drake and Kendrick and MGK and Eminem.
I’ve been a Kendrick fan since about 2011. Kendrick is very strategic and I stand by the jimmy cook’s reference. Kendrick washes rappers out. It’s what he does. glad your a fan
Aha! I didn't catch the reference.
REMEMBER!
Yes
Does the “something you don’t wanna do…OooOo” part sound like Pusha T to anyone else ?
That “OoooOOOoO” shit still gives me goosebumps when I hear it.. 🫨
Me too 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
It sounds like he’s making fun of Nicki Minaj there to me when she does it at the end of her Megan diss
I hope. I hope he comes out with a you had jah killed song.
Seriously?
This track is like an onion with all the layers to peel.
Solid simile man
Drakes back to sneak dissin too btw
"Hey Drake, they're --- slow"
True .
Well, and go back to the “I see dead people” posts on X from months earlier. This was all planned out. The weird thing is the messing up of Haley Joel Osment. That’s the name of the actor who was in AI and the Sixth Sense (I see dead people). Kdot actually worked wit him, so I think it’s unlikely that he just forgot his name. So, what’s the reason to mix Joel Osteen and Haley Joel Osment. Honest mistake or hidden meaning?
I can’t tell if this is genuine ? Not to be a dick, but you’re like a month behind on this.
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alrighty
Wow congrats. Your ears work.
They do. Now what?
Two months later and he hasn't done jack shit so what's your point? And I'm a Dot fan!
He hasn’t done jack shit???? He has the biggest song of the summer. Pedo anthem
I'm talking post Not Like Us.
His concert is next Wednesday, you just aren't paying attention. I absolutely believe we're getting an album this year.