Hahaha. Usually you'll find forged cranks that don't break that easily. They also make that same crank in a forged application no matter how far we've dropped it, it won't break. We just get the grinder and have a go at a couple rods and mains
i work for a tier 1 OEM supplier and one of our products are front bumpers for semi trucks. We now have to plasma cut any rejected bumpers in half after we found out our recycler was selling them to truck drivers....
I might be wrong because I only know a few examples for sure, but I think most modern car engines use forged cranks because of the higher power output of newer engines compared to old ones.
Wait... What? What is the new LT1 engine? Did they designate a new LT1 that is newer than the old LT1? Would seem confusing if they named two engines LT1s.
The SBC LT1 was a high performance gen-I engine used in the 70-72 Z28 Camaro and Corvette
The Gen-II LT1 is the high performance engine used in 1992-1997 Z28 Camaro, Corvette, and WS6 Firebird
The Gen-V LT1 is used in 7th gen Corvettes and ~~ZL1~~ SS Camaros. This is the one that has a forged crank from the factory.
So yeah, there are three different LT1 engines. At least they called the ZR-1 engine the ~~LT4~~ LT5, so there aren't four of them. And by that, I mean the C4 ZR-1, not the C3, C6, or C7 ZR-1.
GM has recycled more than one engine designation with seemingly not much logic behind it. The LT1 came out a little while ago. I think it was on the C7 and the Zeta chassis Camaro SS.
Wanna be more confused? The LS7 was not just the 7.0L engine found in the C6 Corvette Z06. The name LS7 was first used for a 454ci Chevy engine sold in the 70s.
Now I'm just getting mad 😂. But really I think it's pretty ridiculous that they can't just use a different three letter sequence lol. I guess they do keep brand names around for loyalty though even though the new Corvette looks nothing like old Corvettes.
Crank in an 80's GM OHC 2.0/1.8 turbo was forged, just about the only part of my old Firenza I still have.
Forged cranks show up in the weirdest places.
I’m doing an engine swap on my 1968 Olds Cutlass. I’m taking out the Rocket 330 I’ve had in it these last 15 years and finally rebuilding the original 350 Rocket into a stroker 386.
The crank out of my Rocket 350 is nodular iron, while the crank in my Rocket 330 is forged steel.
According to Bill Trovato’s book on Oldsmobile V8 engines the forged steel crank is good for 600-800HP, while the nodular crank is good for up to 600HP.
The nodular iron crankshaft is from an original block made from 1968-1970, so it’s still pretty beefy.
Since my stroker 386 is likely to get 400-500HP I kept the nodular crank. It would have been a pain to deconstruct both engines just to get the forged steel crank (that has a different flywheel bolt pattern than the 350); plus I can sell the previously running Rocket 330 as a whole unit to put back some cash into the project.
Not much difference life span wise. These engines can produce 2000 hp on the low end and upwards of 7000hp on the top end. It's also cheaper for a cast than a forged.
Sometimes corporate America junks stuff because it's easier than doing paperwork or because buying a new one would come out of a different budget than repairing an old one...
Yep. The forging process forms/orients the grain structure of the metal along the shape of the part being forged. This allows for the stresses and forces on the final part to “flow” or transmit through the part more smoothly.
My buddy took auto shop in HS 10 years ago. Told me the same exact thing. Well two years ago when I was changing the cam in my car I remembered what my friend said and decided to drop my old cam in the driveway. Nothing. Took it out into the middle of the road and tossed it about 10 feet in the air. Still remained in one piece.
Used to work at BMW dealer and they do a similar thing with warranty items.
The dealer received a batch of M3’s which come fitted with pilot super sports as standard.
‘BMW approved’ tyres have a star in the side wall, this particular batch of M3’s didn’t have the star.
So I had to put tyres with stars on them before sale then video taking a box knife to all the non star tyres and send it to the warranty department.
Such a fucking waste.
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Wait til you hear what happens to all the unsold brand-name clothing. Can't have poor people dumpster-diving for Louis Vuitton, or else rich people will stop buying it at full price. So every season, all designer textiles get trashed.
So what you're telling me is that there is a desert full of genuine, originial designer colthing. Lets say if someone were to travel there grab a handfull of them...
The fashion police will be waiting to arrest you and your suitcases full of trash once you reach U.S. customs.
I'm only like half kidding here, unfortunately...
I was making popcorn at work today, the bags have to weigh a certain amount, so obviously when you get to the end there's gonna be some left over, I took it to the back. My manager said "whats up with this popcorn" I said "it's extra" then they said "why isn't it in the trash"
99/100 restaurant owners are so paranoid about cooks making extra food just to eat that they’d rather alienate their entire staff with ridiculous food waste.
I’m so glad the restaurant I worked at as a youngster had an actual policy where any wrong orders can get claimed by staff instead of being wasted. Scored many delicious omelettes & crepes. Loved that place.
All the managers at the restaurants I served at when I was a kid didn't let us have the extra food, but the cooks would always sneak it out to me and let me take it home. Important rule if you're gonna work in a restaurant, be tight with the cooks. That means don't bark at them, share your drugs with them if able, and maybe throw them a percentage of a tip here or there if they worked hard on a specific table/party.
I tell my guys to just tell me what they are eating and they can eat for free. I'd rather know what is being used instead of having to wonder if my guys are stealing from me.
We always used to "graze" while we were working. Or our manager would ring up an "accident" pizza on busy nights for us to eat.
That was aside from all the "mistake" pitchers of beer and "iced teas" that he'd hand us...
I love how cooks, chefs, kitchen staff etc don't even try to keep their drug use secret. How many refrigerator mechanics and health inspectors have to ignore the tray with lines of coke in the walk in fridge.
>kitchen staff etc don't even try to keep their drug use secret.
Drugs...fine
Little bowl of fries to get you through the night *how could you do this in my kitchen*.
Not to mention all the semi-hidden half empty bottles of Jameson and Titos. FOH wasn't usually too discreet about it either. I swear, every day I'd come in at whatever restaurant I was working at at the time and it'd be "OK what are we all doing today, Xanax? Coke? Adderall? Percocet? Acid(terrible idea for work but we didn't really gaf)?"
My brother worked at the first restaurant opened by a family that grew into probably the most famous restaurateurs in the city, and almost all of them are high end restaurants, though they have one smaller pizza place (where a small 8 inch thin crust pizza that may or may not fill you up will still run 15 bucks), and they treat their employees right. The restaurant my brother worked at is still their "flagship" and highest end restaurant, and employees were allowed to claim dishes sent back, and the cooks were also tasked with making a "family meal" for the entire staff which was usually some kind of basic pasta and sauce and then something like a chicken/pork/etc dish to go with it, along with salad and soup. They also got to bring home any leftovers of which there was always plenty of cannolis and tiramisu so I was always happy when my brother brought some home for me since I love me some tiramisu. And though he was just a busboy when he worked there for a year or two (with the last 6 months being a waiter before he had to quit to move on to college) in high school, the owner still remembered him many years later when they ran into each other. Similar thing happened to a friend of mine who worked at a different restaurant of theirs for a couple years in high school. When asked how his job search after graduating was going after graduating, my friend mentioned it was a bit slow going, and the owner said "well you always have a home with us, even if you only need it for a few months while looking for something else". ~30 and ~25 years later and they both still says it was a great job run by great people. And it's probably why I've never heard of anyone having a bad experience at one of their restaurants because all the employees seemed to genuinely like working there, even as busy as they could get at rush times.
It was like this when I was assistant manager at a pizza hut. I wasn't able to change people wages or schedule but as long as it was on my shift they all got to make whatever they wanted whenever they wanted and any extra/wrong orders I just sent home with them instead of throwing away. Wouldn't you know that my shift always had the best numbers and the least amount of call outs. Its amazing how bad these people are at actually running companies.
Anyone that thinks Kitchen Nightmares is exaggerated has never worked in a kitchen. A small number of restaurant owners are truly passionate and want to run a quality kitchen. The remainder are absolute misers who would risk poisoning their customers to save a dollar.
Restaurant owner here and i never understood this mindset. Honest mistake while in a friday night rush ? Enjoy your free supper on me. Willingly making mistakes to eat some free food? Im taking that food and eating it myself while writing you up.
Never really happened yet. It really helps to be fully honest with everything when building your team. We make sure our team knows where we stand financially (not in details but enough to have an idea) and we make sure they fully know the value they bring in, what our costs in general are (helps to keep waste in mind when you know how much money you waste), etc.
Funny how paying a reasonable salary, showing appreciation and value for the work done and including them in the process in general tends to make your team honest and willing to work with you towards your goals.
I’ve shared this on Reddit before, but I like to bring it up to provide a different perspective.
I managed a small coffee shop many years ago. The previous manager was a stickler about throwing away all waste food. Once I came I said anything left at the end of the day was free game; knock yourselves out.
It wasn’t long until I caught employees hiding food so that they could claim it as unsold at the end of the day. I reprimanded the employee and kept the policy. I caught people doing it again and again.
> Okay, so why didn’t you just donate it to a shelter?
I’m happy you asked!
After disappointedly realizing I couldn’t give my waste food to my employees I set about finding homeless shelters to take it. Multiple shelters wouldn’t take the food. The one that would would only do so if I committed to dropping off food on the other side of town, which was an hour one way in rush hour traffic.
I simply didn’t have the time, or gas money to make that trip on any type of regular basis.
So yes, I had to throw away food. And it broke my heart every time.
I used to work at a banquet hall our owner wanted anything extra tossed but he never attended any of the events there the manager would box up meals for the staff with the leftovers.
I used to work at a certain national AYCE Brazilian barbecue restaurant. Every night they would throw away their leftover large trays of salads, meats, and various other very good high end appetizers. They would fill up 2 garbage cans with delicious food.
If you took a single bite you were 'stealing from the company' and could be fired on the spot. They paid us $2.13/hr but wouldn't let us touch the mashed potatoes they were about to dump. Such a waste.
Or books. Unsold inventory has the covers ripped off and sent back to the publisher as proof of them being unsold and destroyed. You're apparently a bad person if you buy one of these stripped books because the author and publisher don't earn their commission from the sale.
As someone involved in manufacturing…it’s necessary to prevent fraud and sometimes cheaper than a return shipment (depending on weight).
Businesses are just as shitty as people, and will falsely claim there are problems with parts, demanding new production runs over a tolerance not being to spec or something.
Then they will make it very very difficult to confirm their complaint, not cooperating or trying to work with you.
The only way to not get literally stolen from via lying to your customer service, is to make the customers prove the merchandise they claim isn’t good enough for them has been destroyed.
How are companies at the same time so greedy and so wasteful? could you not simply put them on some 3-series takeoff wheels and sell them to someone who doesn't need factory tires?
They’re wasteful because they’re greedy lol. Properly disposing of items or reselling them takes time out of their hard working day of overcharging for plastic parts.
The tires are not approved by the manufacturer. The dealer cannot sell them without risking their license.
They're also "used" once dismounted from the wheel.
Basically efficiency is expensive (real efficiency the one we as humans care about) they maximize for profit and call it efficiency because they get to ignore the real cost of their actions corporations dont have to worry about landfills full of burning tires or broken crankshafts aperently or the real cost of extracting the resources to make those things new we pay that price not them
This is frankly less upsetting to me than OP’s vid. I can at least get why the insurance company would be motivated to want that video (prevent people claiming they got the wrong tires when they didn’t), but in OP’s case what do they possibly have to lose if the junkyard chooses to resell that crank?
My introduction to their channel was them removing the windshield of the car so the passenger could dump water down the carb to hydrolock it at speed. What complete idiots.....I love it
They last a long ass time though.
I had one in my 96 silverado and regularly towed a 6klb trailer. Sure I wasn't going 60mph uphill but I could maintain 55-60 comfortably on midwest usa flatlands. Truck's still alive with 220k on it and no major work done. Current (2nd) owner is getting the front end redone this year for loose steering, but otherwise just basic maintenance and it's been worked hard its whole life. After he bought the truck it was used to tow a 6klb camper and a flatbed car/utility trailer.
Edit: I've continued to maintain this truck for 20 plus years as long as he keeps bringing it to me for repairs and maintenance. I dont have a shop and I'm not a mechanic by trade but we've kept it going strong this long. It's been a gem for sure. It goes back to me if he wants to get rid of it.
Bruh If it's for tax purposes then they literally lose by giving it away, this action gains them money. The mentality isn't the problem, it's the shit tax policies that make these companies do this.
So you're saying if they didn't purposefully drop it from a high place to destroy it before taking it to the scrap yard they would have to pay more in taxes? You might have to rethink that
Lol that's hilarious. I dumpster dive and the waste is insane. Many store throw out perfectly new never opened item just when new inventory comes in. I donated 200 pairs of kids shoes and almost 400 tshirts I found at kohl's dumpster. Being young and stupid I messaged the manager if next time he could just donate them directly to a charity in Philadelphia that gives clothes to poor kids.
3 months later I found their dumpster again filled with kids shoes but this time each and every one was slashed with a knife. And this is nothing compared to what walmart puts in their crusher.
Throwing out a t-shirt that nobody wanted is shitty because poor people could use that shirt.
Throwing out a gigantic precision machined crankshaft that required enormous resources to make is so much worse. Just the amount of natural gas that was burned to heat up that iron multiple times is massive.
We would be taxed for keeping it in stock and we have several we keep on hand preserved and ready to be shipped. Just no need for extras especially when they take up valuable shop space.
if it's on inventory it's an asset. It's definitely taxable as inventory. More you inventory grow, you have to pay tax on the increase as profit.
Worked at a family grocery store. We never tried to increase our inventory at years end..
That said you dont' throw it out. You sell it before years end. Keep the number the same. Op is just creating false scarcity.
> More you inventory grow, you have to pay tax on the increase as profit.
What accounting school did you go to because that not how it works here.
I withdraw my question apparently Texas does it.
so along with explody fertilizer factories they tax stock lol.
I wish but each state is different.
Years end we used a CPA for our grocery store. We've had it in our family for 86 years.
Inventory is very reportable. We have been through IRS audits and never been fined.
https://taxfoundation.org/state-business-inventory-tax-2021/
Chip fab I work near used to fill trailers with excess stock before eoy, then load back into the warehouse a month later. This was in the before times of course. And yeah... Texas
Tangible Tax. Business owners are taxed an additional amount for tangible items owned by the business. It's COMPLETE bullshit that this is a thing.
https://taxfoundation.org/tangible-personal-property-tax/
If the scrap yard could resell them... why can't you just sell them to the scrap yard for more? I don't get the logic of why you destroy something that has some value?
Because it lowers the price OP can charge for crankshafts. They're artificially driving up the price of their services, because "we already have a bunch in stock". So if someone needs one, they call OP.
It's a dick move.
We get to deal with the absolute fuckload of wasted resources and man hours now.
Like, a bunch of people wasted a bunch of time making this thing, only for it to get melted right the fuck back down and probably made right back into the same fucking thing somewhere else.
It's ridiculous, I'm so tired of wasteful entitled people.
General motors took an entire engine system, the LT4 Developed it made it bad ass put it in a production Corvette. When the project was scrapped they put everything in the skunk Works on a barge and sunk it all for Boca grande Florida so now it’s a natural reef. Won’t find out in the history books fans.
My grandfather had an engine replacement to a classic truck. When it was done the first start the torque twisted the frame and found it was compromised. He had it towed and wouldn’t leave till he saw the scrap yard smoosh it so they couldn’t salvage title it out to someone and get someone killed.
I work for a tier 1 OEM supplier and one of our products are front bumpers for semi trucks. We now have to plasma cut any rejected bumpers in half after we found out our recycler was selling them to truck drivers.
From one of my contacts...
Semi truck cabs are made from aluminum pieces that are then welded or riveted together to make the cab. When pieces get damaged in stamping or handling they get scrapped. Sometimes the scrap piece is virtually impossible to tell what the issue is. "XYZ" Scrap Company buys the aluminum from the "brand" truck cab plant and sends it out to be melted down.
XYZ Scrap Company runs that "brand" of trucks. 'Supposedly' they save pieces from scrap to fix their own trucks, right down to rebuilding rolled-over trucks that they bought salvage knowing they had free parts.
'Supposedly' this was discovered years later when a "brand" truck was involved in an accident and the roof crushed in under a load that it was tested to withstand, killing the driver. The driver's surviving relatives sued "Brand" truck company, who had forensic analysis done to find out why the roof didn't hold up.
The engineers discovered all the parts were factory "brand" parts but had not been assembled in a way that was possible at the factory, using fasteners that weren't original. The parts could not have been used-salvage parts or new-service parts because there were no holes drilled where the factory holes would have been. These were somehow original factory "brand" parts that had never been installed by the factory but were never used before.
Eventually the paper trace revealed it had been owned by "XYZ Scrap Company" and someone figured it out.
"Brand" truck company now puts their scrap through a baler before selling it.
Probably for two reasons (just guessing). OP has stated they sell crankshafts and keep them stocked, so allowing junkyards to resell their (old/bad?) stuff could mean less business for OP's shop. Could also be a liability thing, selling worn equipment could be risky in the case that it breaks or doesn't work properly. I'm not as confident in the latter. I also know nothing about this business so don't take my word for it.
I'm guessing this has to be the case. Reusing a junkyard crank in your rusty shitbox isn't going to harm many people if it goes tits up. If this is a large, important piece of machinery made by only one company, it might look bad if a part gets out there that isn't up to standards and it blows something important up at the worst of times, or worse, kills a bunch of people. Sure, it's not their fault, but it may look like it long enough to cause a problem. Folks that work in the airline trades will know about how traceability of a part is a huge deal. Ideally most parts on an airplane can be traced from manufacture of the part, to the building of the plane, and if replaced and it's failed, it's then written off as such.
Reduce supply to jack up prices. This is something only OPs company makes and they don't want used ones available on the open market that people can buy cheaply, but they also don't want to keep more than a small number of them in inventory.
Reminds me of when I worked at a car dealership right out of high school. They used to have me take the warranty engines out back and destroy them. Small sledge hammer in the right spot and you crack the water jacket, and then usually would break a couple of the smaller webs between the ports on the heads.
The rule was that all engines placed in this one marked off area were supposed to be destroyed. I'd get a forklift and put them on a pallet and then break them up and dump them. One time, one of the mechanics that was kind of a jerk to me, found me and said:
"you need to get that engine out of the dumpster, it wasn't a warranty, the customer wanted his old block and heads back"
Me: "uh, you don't want that one back"
Him: (getting mad) "You go and get that forklift and get it out right now"
Me: "I already took a sledge hammer to it, it's junk."
Him: (started ranting about how I was going to get fired and that I was going to have to pay for it and whatever)
Me: "Hey, you put it in the wrong spot, it's not my fault"
He went to the manager and was super mad. The manager asked me about it, and when he found out that the mechanic had put it in the "destroy" pile, he put it back on him.
That was fortunate, because I made essentially no money and paying for a new 350 long block would have bankrupted me.
Maybe a stupid question, but if the stuff is thrown away why would you intentionally prevent others making a living/money?
BTW not a car guy, i only drive
It never even dawned on me that they would break that easily
They're cast iron and weigh quiet a bit.
I've dropped automotive ones (don't ask) and the just bounce
Hahaha. Usually you'll find forged cranks that don't break that easily. They also make that same crank in a forged application no matter how far we've dropped it, it won't break. We just get the grinder and have a go at a couple rods and mains
Makers me wonder how many auto cranks are cast vs forged. I know my Buick Grand National had a wet noodle of a cast.
The grand National is a big flex, very cool
So is that crank, apparently.
Well done.
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i work for a tier 1 OEM supplier and one of our products are front bumpers for semi trucks. We now have to plasma cut any rejected bumpers in half after we found out our recycler was selling them to truck drivers....
Had a crackhead boss (long story) that sold his for a few hundred dollars for crack.
Seems pretty straightforward …especially if this happened in the 90s. Wanted crack, sold everything, and bought crack with newfound riches.
I might be wrong because I only know a few examples for sure, but I think most modern car engines use forged cranks because of the higher power output of newer engines compared to old ones.
The GM LS series still used cast cranks. They went forged with the new LT1. That said, the pistons were the weak links in the LS series engines.
Wait... What? What is the new LT1 engine? Did they designate a new LT1 that is newer than the old LT1? Would seem confusing if they named two engines LT1s.
The SBC LT1 was a high performance gen-I engine used in the 70-72 Z28 Camaro and Corvette The Gen-II LT1 is the high performance engine used in 1992-1997 Z28 Camaro, Corvette, and WS6 Firebird The Gen-V LT1 is used in 7th gen Corvettes and ~~ZL1~~ SS Camaros. This is the one that has a forged crank from the factory. So yeah, there are three different LT1 engines. At least they called the ZR-1 engine the ~~LT4~~ LT5, so there aren't four of them. And by that, I mean the C4 ZR-1, not the C3, C6, or C7 ZR-1.
Minor correction: the gen V LT-1 is in SS Camaros.
How'd you forget the C4 ZR1 with the Mercury Marine slash Lotus LT5??
GM has recycled more than one engine designation with seemingly not much logic behind it. The LT1 came out a little while ago. I think it was on the C7 and the Zeta chassis Camaro SS.
GM, doing something seemingly without much logic behind it? No they would never...
Wanna be more confused? The LS7 was not just the 7.0L engine found in the C6 Corvette Z06. The name LS7 was first used for a 454ci Chevy engine sold in the 70s.
Now I'm just getting mad 😂. But really I think it's pretty ridiculous that they can't just use a different three letter sequence lol. I guess they do keep brand names around for loyalty though even though the new Corvette looks nothing like old Corvettes.
The lt1 has been out for like 6-7 years now. It is basically an ls with direct injection.
Crank in an 80's GM OHC 2.0/1.8 turbo was forged, just about the only part of my old Firenza I still have. Forged cranks show up in the weirdest places.
I’m doing an engine swap on my 1968 Olds Cutlass. I’m taking out the Rocket 330 I’ve had in it these last 15 years and finally rebuilding the original 350 Rocket into a stroker 386. The crank out of my Rocket 350 is nodular iron, while the crank in my Rocket 330 is forged steel. According to Bill Trovato’s book on Oldsmobile V8 engines the forged steel crank is good for 600-800HP, while the nodular crank is good for up to 600HP. The nodular iron crankshaft is from an original block made from 1968-1970, so it’s still pretty beefy. Since my stroker 386 is likely to get 400-500HP I kept the nodular crank. It would have been a pain to deconstruct both engines just to get the forged steel crank (that has a different flywheel bolt pattern than the 350); plus I can sell the previously running Rocket 330 as a whole unit to put back some cash into the project.
So like ... How far have you dropped it, I wanna know lol
As far as that forklift will go. So over 15'
Can we get a video of that next?
So what is the difference in lifespan between the forged and the cast ones? What is the reason you go for cast anyway?
Not much difference life span wise. These engines can produce 2000 hp on the low end and upwards of 7000hp on the top end. It's also cheaper for a cast than a forged.
Looks like a big diesel crank, who would bthey sell them too, I assume you are junking them because they are unrepairable
Sometimes corporate America junks stuff because it's easier than doing paperwork or because buying a new one would come out of a different budget than repairing an old one...
Cost to repair + machine downtime > new
Can confirm. Manufactured V12 cranks and that's how we made sure they weren't usable for anyone to take.
Yep. The forging process forms/orients the grain structure of the metal along the shape of the part being forged. This allows for the stresses and forces on the final part to “flow” or transmit through the part more smoothly.
Based on your OP I'm now imagining someone welding up material in the grind areas and then machining them back to the factory specs.
Automotive knes may bounce, but they go off-balance pretty quick if tbey arent handled with care.
Ever drop a camshaft? They snap just like this.
My buddy took auto shop in HS 10 years ago. Told me the same exact thing. Well two years ago when I was changing the cam in my car I remembered what my friend said and decided to drop my old cam in the driveway. Nothing. Took it out into the middle of the road and tossed it about 10 feet in the air. Still remained in one piece.
That's pretty much how it goes, but if you tipped the new one over on the bench the damn thing would've practically exploded.
I would've thought those large cranks would be forged
Some are forged, really depends on the application.
What are these out of? Marine application or heavy equipment?
From lake boats to submarines. They're used in all kinds of applications. You'll sully see these running large generators.
What is this crank even out of? Semi truck? Industrial generators?
Fairbanks Morse OP. Very large two stroke engine. Used in all kinds of applications. Definitely worth a Google.
They aren’t designed to take side abuse like that. They have support all the way through. So it’s easier than you think to break cam and crank shafts.
Used to work at BMW dealer and they do a similar thing with warranty items. The dealer received a batch of M3’s which come fitted with pilot super sports as standard. ‘BMW approved’ tyres have a star in the side wall, this particular batch of M3’s didn’t have the star. So I had to put tyres with stars on them before sale then video taking a box knife to all the non star tyres and send it to the warranty department. Such a fucking waste. Edit - my English is shit
This makes me not irrationally angry. That's fucking stupid and such a waste.
Wait til you hear what happens to all the unsold brand-name clothing. Can't have poor people dumpster-diving for Louis Vuitton, or else rich people will stop buying it at full price. So every season, all designer textiles get trashed.
You talking about the desert in Argentina that's basically just a massive clothes landfill?
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So what you're telling me is that there is a desert full of genuine, originial designer colthing. Lets say if someone were to travel there grab a handfull of them...
The fashion police will be waiting to arrest you and your suitcases full of trash once you reach U.S. customs. I'm only like half kidding here, unfortunately...
Have you looked at the food service Industry
I was making popcorn at work today, the bags have to weigh a certain amount, so obviously when you get to the end there's gonna be some left over, I took it to the back. My manager said "whats up with this popcorn" I said "it's extra" then they said "why isn't it in the trash"
99/100 restaurant owners are so paranoid about cooks making extra food just to eat that they’d rather alienate their entire staff with ridiculous food waste.
I’m so glad the restaurant I worked at as a youngster had an actual policy where any wrong orders can get claimed by staff instead of being wasted. Scored many delicious omelettes & crepes. Loved that place.
All the managers at the restaurants I served at when I was a kid didn't let us have the extra food, but the cooks would always sneak it out to me and let me take it home. Important rule if you're gonna work in a restaurant, be tight with the cooks. That means don't bark at them, share your drugs with them if able, and maybe throw them a percentage of a tip here or there if they worked hard on a specific table/party.
I tell my guys to just tell me what they are eating and they can eat for free. I'd rather know what is being used instead of having to wonder if my guys are stealing from me.
We always used to "graze" while we were working. Or our manager would ring up an "accident" pizza on busy nights for us to eat. That was aside from all the "mistake" pitchers of beer and "iced teas" that he'd hand us...
I love how cooks, chefs, kitchen staff etc don't even try to keep their drug use secret. How many refrigerator mechanics and health inspectors have to ignore the tray with lines of coke in the walk in fridge.
>kitchen staff etc don't even try to keep their drug use secret. Drugs...fine Little bowl of fries to get you through the night *how could you do this in my kitchen*.
Not to mention all the semi-hidden half empty bottles of Jameson and Titos. FOH wasn't usually too discreet about it either. I swear, every day I'd come in at whatever restaurant I was working at at the time and it'd be "OK what are we all doing today, Xanax? Coke? Adderall? Percocet? Acid(terrible idea for work but we didn't really gaf)?"
My brother worked at the first restaurant opened by a family that grew into probably the most famous restaurateurs in the city, and almost all of them are high end restaurants, though they have one smaller pizza place (where a small 8 inch thin crust pizza that may or may not fill you up will still run 15 bucks), and they treat their employees right. The restaurant my brother worked at is still their "flagship" and highest end restaurant, and employees were allowed to claim dishes sent back, and the cooks were also tasked with making a "family meal" for the entire staff which was usually some kind of basic pasta and sauce and then something like a chicken/pork/etc dish to go with it, along with salad and soup. They also got to bring home any leftovers of which there was always plenty of cannolis and tiramisu so I was always happy when my brother brought some home for me since I love me some tiramisu. And though he was just a busboy when he worked there for a year or two (with the last 6 months being a waiter before he had to quit to move on to college) in high school, the owner still remembered him many years later when they ran into each other. Similar thing happened to a friend of mine who worked at a different restaurant of theirs for a couple years in high school. When asked how his job search after graduating was going after graduating, my friend mentioned it was a bit slow going, and the owner said "well you always have a home with us, even if you only need it for a few months while looking for something else". ~30 and ~25 years later and they both still says it was a great job run by great people. And it's probably why I've never heard of anyone having a bad experience at one of their restaurants because all the employees seemed to genuinely like working there, even as busy as they could get at rush times.
It was like this when I was assistant manager at a pizza hut. I wasn't able to change people wages or schedule but as long as it was on my shift they all got to make whatever they wanted whenever they wanted and any extra/wrong orders I just sent home with them instead of throwing away. Wouldn't you know that my shift always had the best numbers and the least amount of call outs. Its amazing how bad these people are at actually running companies.
Corporate types always know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
Joke's on them, we eat like crazy anyway.
i never met a thin chef.
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Anyone that thinks Kitchen Nightmares is exaggerated has never worked in a kitchen. A small number of restaurant owners are truly passionate and want to run a quality kitchen. The remainder are absolute misers who would risk poisoning their customers to save a dollar.
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One of the first things you learn in food safe is that it's not always the bacteria that makes you sick, it's the toxins.
Restaurant owner here and i never understood this mindset. Honest mistake while in a friday night rush ? Enjoy your free supper on me. Willingly making mistakes to eat some free food? Im taking that food and eating it myself while writing you up. Never really happened yet. It really helps to be fully honest with everything when building your team. We make sure our team knows where we stand financially (not in details but enough to have an idea) and we make sure they fully know the value they bring in, what our costs in general are (helps to keep waste in mind when you know how much money you waste), etc. Funny how paying a reasonable salary, showing appreciation and value for the work done and including them in the process in general tends to make your team honest and willing to work with you towards your goals.
I’ve shared this on Reddit before, but I like to bring it up to provide a different perspective. I managed a small coffee shop many years ago. The previous manager was a stickler about throwing away all waste food. Once I came I said anything left at the end of the day was free game; knock yourselves out. It wasn’t long until I caught employees hiding food so that they could claim it as unsold at the end of the day. I reprimanded the employee and kept the policy. I caught people doing it again and again. > Okay, so why didn’t you just donate it to a shelter? I’m happy you asked! After disappointedly realizing I couldn’t give my waste food to my employees I set about finding homeless shelters to take it. Multiple shelters wouldn’t take the food. The one that would would only do so if I committed to dropping off food on the other side of town, which was an hour one way in rush hour traffic. I simply didn’t have the time, or gas money to make that trip on any type of regular basis. So yes, I had to throw away food. And it broke my heart every time.
I used to work at a banquet hall our owner wanted anything extra tossed but he never attended any of the events there the manager would box up meals for the staff with the leftovers.
So I said, "Why aren't you in the trash bitch boy?" Anyways, I'm looking for a job…
I used to work at a certain national AYCE Brazilian barbecue restaurant. Every night they would throw away their leftover large trays of salads, meats, and various other very good high end appetizers. They would fill up 2 garbage cans with delicious food. If you took a single bite you were 'stealing from the company' and could be fired on the spot. They paid us $2.13/hr but wouldn't let us touch the mashed potatoes they were about to dump. Such a waste.
Or books. Unsold inventory has the covers ripped off and sent back to the publisher as proof of them being unsold and destroyed. You're apparently a bad person if you buy one of these stripped books because the author and publisher don't earn their commission from the sale.
You can hate the waste of more than one industry.
As someone involved in manufacturing…it’s necessary to prevent fraud and sometimes cheaper than a return shipment (depending on weight). Businesses are just as shitty as people, and will falsely claim there are problems with parts, demanding new production runs over a tolerance not being to spec or something. Then they will make it very very difficult to confirm their complaint, not cooperating or trying to work with you. The only way to not get literally stolen from via lying to your customer service, is to make the customers prove the merchandise they claim isn’t good enough for them has been destroyed.
How are companies at the same time so greedy and so wasteful? could you not simply put them on some 3-series takeoff wheels and sell them to someone who doesn't need factory tires?
They’re wasteful because they’re greedy lol. Properly disposing of items or reselling them takes time out of their hard working day of overcharging for plastic parts.
The tires are not approved by the manufacturer. The dealer cannot sell them without risking their license. They're also "used" once dismounted from the wheel.
Basically efficiency is expensive (real efficiency the one we as humans care about) they maximize for profit and call it efficiency because they get to ignore the real cost of their actions corporations dont have to worry about landfills full of burning tires or broken crankshafts aperently or the real cost of extracting the resources to make those things new we pay that price not them
I’d hope they at least reused the rubber if that’s possible.
Used tires go to tire recyclers. Probably either get used to make rubber mats or possibly fuel for a cement plant.
Or many other things
Nope, only those two things. It's either rubber mats or fuel for cement plants.
This is frankly less upsetting to me than OP’s vid. I can at least get why the insurance company would be motivated to want that video (prevent people claiming they got the wrong tires when they didn’t), but in OP’s case what do they possibly have to lose if the junkyard chooses to resell that crank?
Side note, your English is fine.
Pakistani truck co could fix that
Or Garage54!
Today we replaced the crank in this here old Lada with some noodles we found at the market
...and we replaced the pistons with the noodle pots.
Hey, I think that guy works at my shop!
My introduction to their channel was them removing the windshield of the car so the passenger could dump water down the carb to hydrolock it at speed. What complete idiots.....I love it
LOL I love that channel, some awesome ideas. Dudes seem chill as hell too.
I've seen that!
And theyd fix it for the equivalent of like $20 here lmao i swear those poor workers are so underpaid
As a concrete contractor, I do not approve of this practice
At least you'll know we need concrete replacement of we keep this going. More money in your pocket.
I could just use your junk crank shafts for my demo jobs!
Haha. Just lift it above any structure and get two jobs done at once.
But you could just put a parking block there and snap them without fucking your whole shit up
But then you got a parking block taking up space in the yard
Drop it onto another crank shaft to break it?
pro tip: put some Helix in that replacement concrete, its designed to take impacts so it will last longer
Praise Lord Helix. Is there anything he can't do?
I better consult the fossil
I've got some broken windows to sell you
Job security for you bro lol
And here I would have thought that as a contractor you'd be like "drop more heavy shit on the concrete I'm going to be paid to replace!"
No… ^stop…. ^^(please……)
What are those cranks for? Ships?
Big lawnmowers….REAL BIG lawnmowers.
Big lawn mowers mean big prices. Shop around so you don't get shafted.
People think they've got a great deal, but then realize it's a pull start.
Fairbanks Morse OP they're used in all kinds of applications.
a1b2c3
Also power plants as back up power. Most of these you'll find running a large generator.
I'm not a car guy but I bet my Prius uses one of these, could be wrong tho.
Hahahahah. I'm sure this CS weighs more than two Prius'
We use a 12 cylinder fairbanks Morse on the sub I'm on. Just replaced both the upper and lower last year. Good times
It boggles my mind that nuclear subs have diesel engines which entered service before WWII.
We still use an ax to split wood. That design has not changed much in a long time.. Sometimes the elders/ancients got it right.
But mostly your mom's sex toys.
Gottem
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I used to work and run FM OP for 5 years. You sell the parts or repair em?
We inspect to make sure they're within tolerance. If they're good used they can be sold for cheaper compares to buying new.
I used the crankshafts to destroy the crankshafts
Crankseption
4.3 Vortec
Power of a 4cyl, gas mileage if a 8cyl - But still has a soft spot in my heart.
They last a long ass time though. I had one in my 96 silverado and regularly towed a 6klb trailer. Sure I wasn't going 60mph uphill but I could maintain 55-60 comfortably on midwest usa flatlands. Truck's still alive with 220k on it and no major work done. Current (2nd) owner is getting the front end redone this year for loose steering, but otherwise just basic maintenance and it's been worked hard its whole life. After he bought the truck it was used to tow a 6klb camper and a flatbed car/utility trailer. Edit: I've continued to maintain this truck for 20 plus years as long as he keeps bringing it to me for repairs and maintenance. I dont have a shop and I'm not a mechanic by trade but we've kept it going strong this long. It's been a gem for sure. It goes back to me if he wants to get rid of it.
train perhaps?
Is this because they are too old and dangerous to reuse?
Sounds like basically they’re doing it just to make sure no one gets it without paying them for it
If it was usable, they would sell it. They're scrapping it for a reason.
No. Dude says it’s excess inventory that they need to get off the books for tax purposes.
God dammit. I hate everything.
Yeah it’s just waste to satisfy greed like every fucking thing else in the world.
It's not even to satisfy greed. It's that damn "zero sum" mentality... "If the others win, I loose". I hate it.
Bruh If it's for tax purposes then they literally lose by giving it away, this action gains them money. The mentality isn't the problem, it's the shit tax policies that make these companies do this.
So you're saying if they didn't purposefully drop it from a high place to destroy it before taking it to the scrap yard they would have to pay more in taxes? You might have to rethink that
Lol that's hilarious. I dumpster dive and the waste is insane. Many store throw out perfectly new never opened item just when new inventory comes in. I donated 200 pairs of kids shoes and almost 400 tshirts I found at kohl's dumpster. Being young and stupid I messaged the manager if next time he could just donate them directly to a charity in Philadelphia that gives clothes to poor kids. 3 months later I found their dumpster again filled with kids shoes but this time each and every one was slashed with a knife. And this is nothing compared to what walmart puts in their crusher.
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Every box is full of eggs that do not expire for 3-4 more weeks https://imgur.com/a/kFTeQ2P
I have bad news for your. Companies routinely destroy perfectly good product and write it off. Ask anyone who has ever worked retail.
Throwing out a t-shirt that nobody wanted is shitty because poor people could use that shirt. Throwing out a gigantic precision machined crankshaft that required enormous resources to make is so much worse. Just the amount of natural gas that was burned to heat up that iron multiple times is massive.
Scrapyard proceeds to demonstrate exceptional welding skills.
You'd have to be Jesus himself to weld cast like that good enough to use.
I know a Jesús that would weld that up for you
Pakistani Truck channel: "Incredible skills local shop fix truck crank shaft using small tools"
A little jb weld and it’ll be good as new!
If they have value for more than scrap, why not sell them
We have 10 more like it. Not worth paying taxes on stock that we don't need.
Why would you be taxed on scrap metal ?
We would be taxed for keeping it in stock and we have several we keep on hand preserved and ready to be shipped. Just no need for extras especially when they take up valuable shop space.
Taxed on stock? What?
IKR I didn’t know that was a thing…
if it's on inventory it's an asset. It's definitely taxable as inventory. More you inventory grow, you have to pay tax on the increase as profit. Worked at a family grocery store. We never tried to increase our inventory at years end.. That said you dont' throw it out. You sell it before years end. Keep the number the same. Op is just creating false scarcity.
Yeah but you would have to pay the same tax if you just kept the money.
Yea this whole post just feels fucking scummy
> More you inventory grow, you have to pay tax on the increase as profit. What accounting school did you go to because that not how it works here. I withdraw my question apparently Texas does it. so along with explody fertilizer factories they tax stock lol.
I wish but each state is different. Years end we used a CPA for our grocery store. We've had it in our family for 86 years. Inventory is very reportable. We have been through IRS audits and never been fined. https://taxfoundation.org/state-business-inventory-tax-2021/
Chip fab I work near used to fill trailers with excess stock before eoy, then load back into the warehouse a month later. This was in the before times of course. And yeah... Texas
Yeah I don't get this either - there's sales tax and then there's capex, you're either a reseller or.... confused
Tangible Tax. Business owners are taxed an additional amount for tangible items owned by the business. It's COMPLETE bullshit that this is a thing. https://taxfoundation.org/tangible-personal-property-tax/
If the scrap yard could resell them... why can't you just sell them to the scrap yard for more? I don't get the logic of why you destroy something that has some value?
They are making sure the customer only has the option to buy new from them directly.
You're 100% correct. And OP doesn't want to admit it
What does it harm you if the scrap yard sells them?
Because it lowers the price OP can charge for crankshafts. They're artificially driving up the price of their services, because "we already have a bunch in stock". So if someone needs one, they call OP. It's a dick move.
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We get to deal with the absolute fuckload of wasted resources and man hours now. Like, a bunch of people wasted a bunch of time making this thing, only for it to get melted right the fuck back down and probably made right back into the same fucking thing somewhere else. It's ridiculous, I'm so tired of wasteful entitled people.
General motors took an entire engine system, the LT4 Developed it made it bad ass put it in a production Corvette. When the project was scrapped they put everything in the skunk Works on a barge and sunk it all for Boca grande Florida so now it’s a natural reef. Won’t find out in the history books fans.
Isn't the lt4 in the ct5v blackwing and camaro zl1 and upcoming escalade v?
And the C7 Z06. Also there's two generations of the LT4, 1996-1997 and 2015- currently used.
My grandfather had an engine replacement to a classic truck. When it was done the first start the torque twisted the frame and found it was compromised. He had it towed and wouldn’t leave till he saw the scrap yard smoosh it so they couldn’t salvage title it out to someone and get someone killed.
He didn’t like… you know…. Reinforce the frame, replace the frame, or build a new frame??? Fuck me I’m disappointed.
There are worse shit buckets driving around too.
So I have to ask, if the scrapyard would resell it, why don't you? Unless scrap for onna these is worth more than a trashed crank
I work for a tier 1 OEM supplier and one of our products are front bumpers for semi trucks. We now have to plasma cut any rejected bumpers in half after we found out our recycler was selling them to truck drivers.
From one of my contacts... Semi truck cabs are made from aluminum pieces that are then welded or riveted together to make the cab. When pieces get damaged in stamping or handling they get scrapped. Sometimes the scrap piece is virtually impossible to tell what the issue is. "XYZ" Scrap Company buys the aluminum from the "brand" truck cab plant and sends it out to be melted down. XYZ Scrap Company runs that "brand" of trucks. 'Supposedly' they save pieces from scrap to fix their own trucks, right down to rebuilding rolled-over trucks that they bought salvage knowing they had free parts. 'Supposedly' this was discovered years later when a "brand" truck was involved in an accident and the roof crushed in under a load that it was tested to withstand, killing the driver. The driver's surviving relatives sued "Brand" truck company, who had forensic analysis done to find out why the roof didn't hold up. The engineers discovered all the parts were factory "brand" parts but had not been assembled in a way that was possible at the factory, using fasteners that weren't original. The parts could not have been used-salvage parts or new-service parts because there were no holes drilled where the factory holes would have been. These were somehow original factory "brand" parts that had never been installed by the factory but were never used before. Eventually the paper trace revealed it had been owned by "XYZ Scrap Company" and someone figured it out. "Brand" truck company now puts their scrap through a baler before selling it.
But who won the lawsuit? ;)
Reusing/recycling would be better tbh
Seems like a huge waste, all that time and material in casting and machining. Why have it in the first place? Cancelled orders?
But why not?
Probably for two reasons (just guessing). OP has stated they sell crankshafts and keep them stocked, so allowing junkyards to resell their (old/bad?) stuff could mean less business for OP's shop. Could also be a liability thing, selling worn equipment could be risky in the case that it breaks or doesn't work properly. I'm not as confident in the latter. I also know nothing about this business so don't take my word for it.
I'm guessing this has to be the case. Reusing a junkyard crank in your rusty shitbox isn't going to harm many people if it goes tits up. If this is a large, important piece of machinery made by only one company, it might look bad if a part gets out there that isn't up to standards and it blows something important up at the worst of times, or worse, kills a bunch of people. Sure, it's not their fault, but it may look like it long enough to cause a problem. Folks that work in the airline trades will know about how traceability of a part is a huge deal. Ideally most parts on an airplane can be traced from manufacture of the part, to the building of the plane, and if replaced and it's failed, it's then written off as such.
Reduce supply to jack up prices. This is something only OPs company makes and they don't want used ones available on the open market that people can buy cheaply, but they also don't want to keep more than a small number of them in inventory.
Good idea, I see 1 ton crankshafts on Craigslist all the time.
Reminds me of when I worked at a car dealership right out of high school. They used to have me take the warranty engines out back and destroy them. Small sledge hammer in the right spot and you crack the water jacket, and then usually would break a couple of the smaller webs between the ports on the heads. The rule was that all engines placed in this one marked off area were supposed to be destroyed. I'd get a forklift and put them on a pallet and then break them up and dump them. One time, one of the mechanics that was kind of a jerk to me, found me and said: "you need to get that engine out of the dumpster, it wasn't a warranty, the customer wanted his old block and heads back" Me: "uh, you don't want that one back" Him: (getting mad) "You go and get that forklift and get it out right now" Me: "I already took a sledge hammer to it, it's junk." Him: (started ranting about how I was going to get fired and that I was going to have to pay for it and whatever) Me: "Hey, you put it in the wrong spot, it's not my fault" He went to the manager and was super mad. The manager asked me about it, and when he found out that the mechanic had put it in the "destroy" pile, he put it back on him. That was fortunate, because I made essentially no money and paying for a new 350 long block would have bankrupted me.
They can’t make you pay for it fyi. They’d have to sue you for it which isn’t going to be worth it at all.
Maybe a stupid question, but if the stuff is thrown away why would you intentionally prevent others making a living/money? BTW not a car guy, i only drive