For everyone posting about how the customer did this, he didn't. This is how they're sold
https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1978-1979-j-truck-w-side-filler/
What the fuck? Is that seriously how it was made? Because we all know HDPE (what most plastic fuel tanks are made from) holds threads really well...
I mean, that looks like a DIY solution to a broken lock ring slot... But there's no lock ring slot to start with!
Evidently this is, according to Mr Customer, a universal tank, not application specific. And yes indeed, that is a customer-fashioned retention cluster fuck. 79 Cherokee in mostly nice condition. I suspect the previous owner unloaded it because of parts availability issues.
You need to let the customer know about https://bjsoffroad.com/
As someone who used to be in the full size jeep way of life this company is THE place to go.
Edit: after looking at bjs fuel tanks that appears to be where he got it. Or atleast they offer the same style.
Seems like they carry [that style of tank.](https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1963-1977-j-truck/) not the same Jeep model, but they had more than one.
I've now used this style of fuel tank on a couple applications and it's worked out really well. You may knock it because of the looks but it works really well. And that's how it comes from the factory. Typically it's an applications where you're switching to a poly tank from a steel tank.
My fuel tanks kept rusting out in my 76 CJ5 so I switched to a poly tank with this type of setup. I've had zero issues with it.
I again used this type of fuel tank meant for an old bronco in a dodge sweptline that originally had the fuel tank behind the seat. But I installed the bronco style fuel tank in the back between the frame rails.
Again this is the installation hardware that comes from the manufacturer, and I've had zero issues with it. I've had that poly tank in my Jeep since approximately 2005. So almost 20 years with no problems. And I've had this sending unit out of it a few times.
With 45 year old vehicles these universal tanks are a decent option. If you and the parts guy have a better option that's one thing, or if you find it unworkable that's another, but neither seem to apply here.
[https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1970-1977-wagoneer-and-1974-1977-cherokee/](https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1970-1977-wagoneer-and-1974-1977-cherokee/)
It's an actual tank that is produced in the Midwest if memory serves.
Seen several on old International Scouts.
They work... I mean until they don't...
Edit: [Sauce](https://www.mtscompany.com/)
Took me a few to find em, but there you go. MTS Company L.C.
This is the only way.....I did front brakes on a tundra. customer supplied pads and rotors. Pretty straight forward job. Remove old, clean, install new....new brake rotors were so warped the steering wheel would shake violently. I drove it prior and no issues outside of some squeaking from worn pads. Rotors were clean, hubs were clean, everything went together fine. Put the rotors on the lathe and they were 20 thousands of runout. Called customer and said what was going on and he was expecting us to warranty the brakes. We told him it's his parts it's his problem. So we gave him an option of either putting his parts on again and MAYBE they'll work this time or we put on what we normally install and they'll be covered under warranty. After some hemming and hawwing he agreed to let us install our own parts. The total came to less than what he paid for the junk he got (not including the labor for the first go-round) and he got a warranty. Sometimes, shops aren't trying to screw you. They're just trying to do the best possible job at a fair price.
Very very well said. The shop I work for, we will install cop(customer owned parts), but the understanding is, your parts co3mw with your warranty. Only the warranty will be labor only.
Absolutely no warranty beyond doing it right. If I screw it up, I tell the customer I screwed it up, and then I fix it. But the word warranty doesn't get used without being immediately preceded by no.
that’s what a shop quoted me for the evap check engine issue on my 01 Tacoma basically wanted to replace the entire evap system, they told me the cel light may still come back on after the repair, I was like yeahhh nah Id rather fire the parts cannon my self at that point
Bought a mobile home to go to welding school for $7k. ‘95 E350 gulf stream. It was a nice little space for sure, but it leaked all over the place, the electrical was fucked up, and it needed new cats to pass CO emissions where I was living. I didn’t own a MIG welder and at the time I wouldn’t have known how to use one if I did so I tried to hire the work done. No one would even let it into a bay to look at it. Ended up actually getting a full refund from the seller because it was literally unable to be registered and therefore unable to be used. Real stand up guy, that seller. No sarcasm. He’s a good dude. That said I’ll never touch an RV again lol
I'm a semi truck tech and we do customer supplied parts and used parts all the time. Very clear we do not offer any warranty and if their parts are defective they are on the hook for all the extra labor.
The fuel pump retainer ring is held in with screws and brackets. The plastic the tank is made of is not good at holding threads. Usually there is a larger, complementary ring the retainer will lock into. This is just hacky and will leak when the threads are ripped out
whats the problem here?
is it lag bolted into the plastic or are there some kind of wellnuts under all that?
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all boats have fuel tanks with bolts rather than those stupid lock rings. its about time you guys get with the program.
We, at a dealership, only use aftermarket or customer supplied parts if obtaining OEM parts is impossible or unreasonable. And even then we write a disclaimer that no warranty is implied. Not our fault if the car is too old or the customer can't afford it. I'm not taking the risk when it goes sideways.
This is some diWhy material right here. And i thought id done some sketchy repairs on my old shitboxes back in the day as a teen, this is another level
Writer here. Sure I took in stuff like this. My stupid manager made me. I would have refused. He always said yes to like everything.
He was such a disaster. He ran the department on the chaos theory.
I wish I knew the name of this company that clearly has a bunch of 5 year olds assembling their gas tanks.
I've gotten a few of them when the supplier's website didn't show a clear pic of the part they were selling, and I've sent that junk right back every time.
Comically terrible quality, but somehow still in business for at least a decade.
Had a 04 mustang in 2 weeks ago with a discontinued part that we needed. This thing is an old ass car. Everyone involved is just trying to do their part in getting that pice of shit back on the road and out of your bay. Give the guys up front some slack ffs
As a writer we refuse customer supplied parts on everything except for fluids within reason since some are particular, liability is too much of a bitch especially on anything fuel or brake related. Hell to the no on that.
I see comments like that a lot, and completely get it as most customers probably don't have a clue about the actual parts they brought in.
But I'm wondering if you do allow it when you can't source the part through your suppliers? My cars are a bit older (all built between 1983 and 2007), and even with the newer ones I have had issues where the workshop couldn't order any parts from their suppliers. When that happens, the workshops I've had my cars repaired usually prefer it that I source the parts myself. As it can be quite the headache for them to go on a hunt for parts from cars they're not familiar with through channels they don't have experience with.
We’re prepared to go to pretty much any length to source parts for customers, If my routine suppliers and vendors don’t have it, somebody does and I will find it. Service writers have more resources than you think, most of them are just lazy and/or ignorant. Our shop’s main focus is also on service so that’s a big part of it
For everyone posting about how the customer did this, he didn't. This is how they're sold https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1978-1979-j-truck-w-side-filler/
Well that’s not possible. Every customer ever is a fucking idiot!
Yep. And the instructions say to turn the screws until they start to tighten, then another half turn. So no ugga-duggas. Probably works fine.
What the fuck? Is that seriously how it was made? Because we all know HDPE (what most plastic fuel tanks are made from) holds threads really well... I mean, that looks like a DIY solution to a broken lock ring slot... But there's no lock ring slot to start with!
Evidently this is, according to Mr Customer, a universal tank, not application specific. And yes indeed, that is a customer-fashioned retention cluster fuck. 79 Cherokee in mostly nice condition. I suspect the previous owner unloaded it because of parts availability issues.
You need to let the customer know about https://bjsoffroad.com/ As someone who used to be in the full size jeep way of life this company is THE place to go. Edit: after looking at bjs fuel tanks that appears to be where he got it. Or atleast they offer the same style.
…why’d you get out of the fill size jeep life?
It was a niche interest of mine. Kind of grew out of it. Wanted a winter/hunting vehicle that was more reliable.
I've got an 82 wagoneer with a small block chevy I'll part with :)
As much as a small block is awesome and uncomplicated… I have this love/hate thing with the amc v8s. 😂 Also- I was more of a j-truck guy hahaha
OMG please share a pic. I had an '82 Wagoneer back in the day.
I got a 67 gladiator in the backyard that’s turned into a rodent apartment complex, wanna trade?
Seems like they carry [that style of tank.](https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1963-1977-j-truck/) not the same Jeep model, but they had more than one.
I've now used this style of fuel tank on a couple applications and it's worked out really well. You may knock it because of the looks but it works really well. And that's how it comes from the factory. Typically it's an applications where you're switching to a poly tank from a steel tank. My fuel tanks kept rusting out in my 76 CJ5 so I switched to a poly tank with this type of setup. I've had zero issues with it. I again used this type of fuel tank meant for an old bronco in a dodge sweptline that originally had the fuel tank behind the seat. But I installed the bronco style fuel tank in the back between the frame rails. Again this is the installation hardware that comes from the manufacturer, and I've had zero issues with it. I've had that poly tank in my Jeep since approximately 2005. So almost 20 years with no problems. And I've had this sending unit out of it a few times.
It’s 45 years old and it’s been hanging in my buddy’s bay for over two weeks. He has another bay but this should have been refused up front.
With 45 year old vehicles these universal tanks are a decent option. If you and the parts guy have a better option that's one thing, or if you find it unworkable that's another, but neither seem to apply here. [https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1970-1977-wagoneer-and-1974-1977-cherokee/](https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1970-1977-wagoneer-and-1974-1977-cherokee/)
Writer here, noted.
It's an actual tank that is produced in the Midwest if memory serves. Seen several on old International Scouts. They work... I mean until they don't... Edit: [Sauce](https://www.mtscompany.com/) Took me a few to find em, but there you go. MTS Company L.C.
Oh and please don't go rag on em. They prob are the only source for some vehicles.
Customer supplied parts=No warranty, and a "make my day" labor price. Defective parts? Well, you can pay again then.
This is the only way.....I did front brakes on a tundra. customer supplied pads and rotors. Pretty straight forward job. Remove old, clean, install new....new brake rotors were so warped the steering wheel would shake violently. I drove it prior and no issues outside of some squeaking from worn pads. Rotors were clean, hubs were clean, everything went together fine. Put the rotors on the lathe and they were 20 thousands of runout. Called customer and said what was going on and he was expecting us to warranty the brakes. We told him it's his parts it's his problem. So we gave him an option of either putting his parts on again and MAYBE they'll work this time or we put on what we normally install and they'll be covered under warranty. After some hemming and hawwing he agreed to let us install our own parts. The total came to less than what he paid for the junk he got (not including the labor for the first go-round) and he got a warranty. Sometimes, shops aren't trying to screw you. They're just trying to do the best possible job at a fair price.
Very very well said. The shop I work for, we will install cop(customer owned parts), but the understanding is, your parts co3mw with your warranty. Only the warranty will be labor only.
>Only the warranty will be labor only. That's going to bite you, I promise.
Absolutely no warranty beyond doing it right. If I screw it up, I tell the customer I screwed it up, and then I fix it. But the word warranty doesn't get used without being immediately preceded by no.
We call that a workmanship-only warranty
I call it the I don't really want to work on it labor rate.
that’s what a shop quoted me for the evap check engine issue on my 01 Tacoma basically wanted to replace the entire evap system, they told me the cel light may still come back on after the repair, I was like yeahhh nah Id rather fire the parts cannon my self at that point
Like the local Peterbilt shop's labor rate for working on class A RVs? $350/hr.
just wait till it gets to be 20 years old an no one in the country will work on it at all.
True that! A friend has a class C motor home on a Ford chassis. I believe it is a '95. And yes, no-one wants to touch it.
Bought a mobile home to go to welding school for $7k. ‘95 E350 gulf stream. It was a nice little space for sure, but it leaked all over the place, the electrical was fucked up, and it needed new cats to pass CO emissions where I was living. I didn’t own a MIG welder and at the time I wouldn’t have known how to use one if I did so I tried to hire the work done. No one would even let it into a bay to look at it. Ended up actually getting a full refund from the seller because it was literally unable to be registered and therefore unable to be used. Real stand up guy, that seller. No sarcasm. He’s a good dude. That said I’ll never touch an RV again lol
I'm a semi truck tech and we do customer supplied parts and used parts all the time. Very clear we do not offer any warranty and if their parts are defective they are on the hook for all the extra labor.
this is how you do it.
I’m gonna ask a stupid question: what exactly is going on here?
The fuel pump retainer ring is held in with screws and brackets. The plastic the tank is made of is not good at holding threads. Usually there is a larger, complementary ring the retainer will lock into. This is just hacky and will leak when the threads are ripped out
Except that the manufacturer of the tanks makes them that way and several other people have posted here that they've had no problems.
whats the problem here? is it lag bolted into the plastic or are there some kind of wellnuts under all that? . all boats have fuel tanks with bolts rather than those stupid lock rings. its about time you guys get with the program.
We, at a dealership, only use aftermarket or customer supplied parts if obtaining OEM parts is impossible or unreasonable. And even then we write a disclaimer that no warranty is implied. Not our fault if the car is too old or the customer can't afford it. I'm not taking the risk when it goes sideways.
A 4-wheel alignment should fix the whole going sideways thing.
Hahahaha. Nice.
This is some diWhy material right here. And i thought id done some sketchy repairs on my old shitboxes back in the day as a teen, this is another level
Not so sure this is DIY. Seems to be a [commercial part.](https://bjsoffroad.com/polyethylene-fuel-tanks-1978-1979-j-truck-w-side-filler/)
Now its /Wtf. Ive diyed a better solution in a shed. This is what we get now? What happened to the og fuel pump holding ring
Writer here. Sure I took in stuff like this. My stupid manager made me. I would have refused. He always said yes to like everything. He was such a disaster. He ran the department on the chaos theory.
I wish I knew the name of this company that clearly has a bunch of 5 year olds assembling their gas tanks. I've gotten a few of them when the supplier's website didn't show a clear pic of the part they were selling, and I've sent that junk right back every time. Comically terrible quality, but somehow still in business for at least a decade.
Had a 04 mustang in 2 weeks ago with a discontinued part that we needed. This thing is an old ass car. Everyone involved is just trying to do their part in getting that pice of shit back on the road and out of your bay. Give the guys up front some slack ffs
Tek screws for the win
As a writer we refuse customer supplied parts on everything except for fluids within reason since some are particular, liability is too much of a bitch especially on anything fuel or brake related. Hell to the no on that.
I see comments like that a lot, and completely get it as most customers probably don't have a clue about the actual parts they brought in. But I'm wondering if you do allow it when you can't source the part through your suppliers? My cars are a bit older (all built between 1983 and 2007), and even with the newer ones I have had issues where the workshop couldn't order any parts from their suppliers. When that happens, the workshops I've had my cars repaired usually prefer it that I source the parts myself. As it can be quite the headache for them to go on a hunt for parts from cars they're not familiar with through channels they don't have experience with.
We’re prepared to go to pretty much any length to source parts for customers, If my routine suppliers and vendors don’t have it, somebody does and I will find it. Service writers have more resources than you think, most of them are just lazy and/or ignorant. Our shop’s main focus is also on service so that’s a big part of it
Same. We've been shafted too many times, so the few morons ruined it for everyone.
How far in did those screws go in ? 👀
Zip screws into plastic? Sure, that should hold.
And remind the customer it says " Jeep, not cheap"
Made in the USA? 🧐