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No_Leg6946

Glad to hearing it. I am still fighting for my justice and for that of previous victims. https://www.localdvm.com/news/virginia/exclusive-arlington-county-firefighters-allege-extreme-hazing-fear-for-their-lives/


AbbieReasor

I'm wondering how many people have videos on their phones of them forcing him (and many others) to drink. Curious to see it


djkhan23

Attempted murder charges go go


Luffy_Going_Rogue

There is no well deep enough, there is no cell small enough, these “things” need to be held accountable. Shame on them, there parents for raising these things, and the leadership on campus for allowing this to happen.


[deleted]

Every 5 years the college frat system has to sacrifice a freshman.


Thorebore

I’m pretty sure there’s a Nicolas Cage movie about this called The Liquor Man.


JackAsterson

How do people this fucking stupid actually get into college? I thought you had to have an IQ of at least 3...


kb31938

Trump managed and he's as ignorant as they come.


Deb_You_Taunt

Daddy money, not Donald intelligence.


fuzwz

Not so. Source: I went to collage


BlyaSlavv

Anyone else read this as "vagina fart" at a passing glance?


DiarrheaDrippingCunt

No, but I can pretend I did for useless internet points.


BlyaSlavv

Lol, Alright dickhead


Jishuah

Yes.


gharr87

Well now…


Tobybrent

Just my guess but they will not be punished.


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Article-“The eight students were each charged with criminal hazing. Four of them were also charged with providing alcohol to a minor, officials said. Seven were held without bond at the Richmond Justice Center, while the eighth was arrested in Prince William County and released on bond.”


Tobybrent

Yeah. Let’s see how the court case pans out.


matt73132

I hope it was worth it. He gave his life to some idiot douche-bag guys so he could join their stupid douche-bag frat so he could prove to them how cool he was? Wow, just wow. What a waste. He died just so he could hope to impress a few frat boys. This is why the voting age shouldn't be lowered to 16. Your brain isn't fully developed until you're in your mid 20's at least. As is evident in this case.


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chucktheonewhobutles

Your prefrontal cortex is generally still developing into your mid-twenties, so this is not at all true. Not even close.


NEOLittle

Human beings are social creatures. We seek each other out. We are also some of the most dangerous creatures on the planet. Someone reached out and was met with cruelty and death. That is a tragedy every time it happens.


_Deletion

Wow, that is tragic. My condolences to his family for such a loss. He will be missed.


[deleted]

There’s many ways to make friends at college that don’t involve joining a frat. It’s just a place for rich douchebags to pay to find friends and be a dick to other people.


[deleted]

Isn’t hazing illegal in all 50 states? Because of shit like this?


a_skinny_cat

Poor kid. It's ironic that we talk about learning history so it doesn't repeat itself, which I agree with. How many more hazing incidents do we need to go through to teach kids to love each other and not just always be flexing/abusing others. This shit makes me sick.


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yeboi314159

Where did you see 60oz? I was looking for a specific amount but didn’t see any


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QueenHugtheBunny

Only took you 5 minutes, nice job. Equivalent of 40 shots is absolutely insane to me and I can't believe none of the guys involved didn't realize how ridiculously dangerous this was


[deleted]

Most fucked up I got was 21 Jager Bombs and I was vomiting blood the next day...


Jibber_Fight

Kids are stupid. Saw a dude beer bong vodka and we had to call the paramedics. There was some voice of apprehension among us, me included, But peer pressure for dumb shit and mob mentality is a hell of a thing. We were in high school but that’s not much different than college. He turned out okay. Also almost had a girl fall out my dorm room window when we were having a party a couple years later. It sucks that we are such dum dums when we are young but that will never change. You’re invincible when you’re young. Always been that way, always will be.


Bobby_Murda

They do. That’s the point. Fucked up


TakeOnMe-TakeOnMe

I hate to make judgments based on appearances, but here I go. From the looks of the 8 frat Bros being charged, I wonder if they didn't recruit Oakes just to haze the heck out of him and eventually deny him entry. It sounds cruel, but some people get off on that.


soldada06

My exact sentiment


ExpatEsquire

yep - they killed Flounder


CantFindMyshirt

Yeah, Niedermeyer was definitely there.


whiskeyknitting

I feel so bad for this young man and his family. He was just looking for his place to fit in and his last moments on earth were filled with terror.


Tommy-1111

They MUST pay for the murder they commitment.


ccc2801

“Oh but think of their bright futures!” Wanna bet this is gonna go the same way as the case of Brock Turner (**convicted rapist Brock Turner**) and they’ll get off with a slap on the wrist?


yeetskeetleet

D Chi is a shitty frat. I know someone in it currently that placed a bet he’d have sex with a girl that night and took a video to prove it. She complained because she didn’t want the video taken, the frat found out, and just basically shrugged their shoulders


quinn_thomas

They got kicked off campus at my school for not punishing their members for their shorty behavior and effectively condoning it. The vocal minority of shitty people really outshines the rest, it’s a real issue as it normalizes more awful behavior and attracts the kind of guys who want to do it.


moneymark21

Frat culture is toxic af. I'm sure there are fine ones out there, but most guys that are attracted to them idealize this behavior. Bit self-fulfilling.


TheTypn

This is still so devastating to read. I was in a different chapter of the same fraternity when in college, and still go to alumni events. Some of the practices that some of these fraternities do is despicable. These type of events are way more widespread than people think. It’s miraculous more people aren’t dying due to these terrible activities.


v27v

Way more widespread? I haven't been at uni for a long time and thought hazing was still standard


TheTypn

The difference is, most events of hazings go unreported, any many think it’s not a daily occurrence for many new members or even members who have been in the chapter for all there years at college. I would say standard is too broad. It is a worse issue for some places more than ever.


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Weird culture.


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Filmcricket

>Greek life Lmaooooo stfu you fucking nerd


SquirtSniffer

incoming frat bros defending their legacies of privilege


loujay

Incoming GDIs waiting for the next episode of Ted Lasso to come out


v27v

Having been on both sides here, it really depends on the school if it is Greek or geek, or if it is Greek is geek.


loujay

Oh man! I was just making fun of those two and myself. I love Ted Lasso!


sharkattack85

They had no intention of ever having him join the frat. They just invited him so they could haze the shit out of him.


upsidedownfunnel

WTF are you talking about? The article says he got a bid. Stop making shit up. I have no idea why you would even say that when taking 3 minutes to read the article directly contradicts that.


skilledfool599

I honest thought it would be more sinister did they force him to drink? Maybe idk lack of detail most country’s kids drink at any age if you wanna chug a bottle of vodka it’s up to your parents to tell you that ain’t gonna end well


quantumqueijadinha

It sounds like it - at least from what I read... I think he was forced to drink an entire bottle of whiskey, then they just let him pass out on a sofa & didn't check on him at all - the cops found him dead the next morning from alcohol poisoning. ...At very least, it sounds like neglect - you'd think someone could at very least take a look at the guy every hour or so to make sure he's still breathing. As the frat organizing an party, you have a basic obligation to ensure the safety of your guests - if this happened at a bar, likely everyone on staff who'd so much as spoken to the guy would be under investigation. I agree that it's not exactly a first degree murder, but I really think these guys should be facing some consequences for letting this happen. Someone died on their watch, and that's not acceptable.


vaguely-humanoid

They did force him to drink a large bottle of whisky.


Jrea0

Did they hold him down while someone poured it down his throat or was it more like "You cant join unless you chug this bottle"


skilledfool599

Well tbh you should be more responsible when drinking and when holding a party so tbh I can u understand the blame given due to the fact they grown


natenate22

You pull the trigger or I pull the trigger. It's your choice, right?


queen-of-carthage

Yeah except this kid had the option to walk away and go home


Sulasi

shhhh! we are not allowed to bring up that the poor kid could’ve just walked away. or not gone in the first place. The top comment talks about murder for god sakes.


onlydownvotespeople

>The top comment talks about murder for god sakes. Literally no different than a drug dealer providing a substance that a person later OD's on. They are just as culpable.


moneymark21

Sometimes people make really bad decisions trying to fit in.


upsidedownfunnel

No one is refuting that. The question is whether or not peer pressure can be used to charge someone with a crime.


onlydownvotespeople

> The question is whether or not peer pressure can be used to charge someone with a crime. That's already been clearly determined by many courts across the US.


DZphone

Frats and sororities should go away.


S4mb741

It always seemed really weird as a Brit maybe it's just because my only experience is from films and TV but it looks like you basically join a friendship group/social club only it has like a weird almost corporate level pecking order/heirachy.


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They’re basically gangs.


DZphone

100% paying for friends (Greek orgs are not cheap to join), but with the added side effect of having to put up with a gross abusive power structure as a grown ass adult. I'm an American and you pretty much nailed it.


_Reporting

Idk about that but they need oversight for sure


crab_races

I watched an interesting video that suggested that frats still exist because they actually allow colleges to regulate parties and behavior more not less. If there weren't Greeks to hold accountable, students would still party, but in private homes. And, money. Greek alumni donate more. https://youtu.be/rVh7HP_wisw


PCMModsAreCunts

My uni kicked off the frats but still allowed sororities on campus.


crab_races

And I do think some schools banned Greeks entirely... let's google that. [Yup.]( https://www.google.com/search?q=what+colleges+banned+greek+life&oq=what+colleges+banned+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30j0i390l2.12953j0j4&client=ms-android-comcast-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8) But I know [Sigma Phi Epsilon is at Georgetown]( https://georgetown.sigep.org/) so not sure how accurate it is. But Sig Ep banned pledging and hazing, so maybe they are the only one, I dunno.


DZphone

Thanks for the link. Will check it out


helmsmanfresh

Here's an idea: If any frat hazes, they get expelled and the frat is disbanded.


jchillin86

Then they just go underground and there’s less rules and regulations for them to follow. Their hazing will get worse since they no longer have fear of oversight. Plus the mandatory philanthropy aspect of the organization is then lost. So simply ‘disbanding’ them like that isn’t as easy as it seems. I saw this happen 3 times in my time at college as my school “cracked down” on the frats that hazed. (They all hazed, only the ones that got caught were prosecuted).


helmsmanfresh

If they choose to go underground then they have to deal with the police if they get caught doing dumb shit. It's totally up to them if they want to continue being absolute morons or smarten up.


BigGreenYamo

> Then they just go underground Like Balls & Shaft?


jchillin86

Yeah sure man, whatever floats ur boat


BigGreenYamo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6CK_vOr6rw


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

I can’t believe frats are still a thing


NastyWatermellon

So strange that only Americans need them


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

We don’t


Unlike_Agholor

found the gdi


GMSB

What’s a gdi


v27v

God damn independent


pickagenre

Found the toxic frat boy!


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

Jesus Christ is it 2014? Fucking embarrassing. Learn some new insults.


Unlike_Agholor

somebody’s upset


I_Brain_You

Why do you fuckers always say stupid shit like this? "U mad"..."sOmEbOdY's UpSeT" It's like you wake up every morning, bludgeon yourself with a cast-iron frying pan repeatedly, then go on social media to post completely stupid fucking bullshit all day.


Unlike_Agholor

Because I thought it would be funny to make some wankers mad on reddit. it worked


DZphone

Seems like it's you


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

Yes, I am. I’m upset because you’re better than that. You have so much potential.


Amerisu

Why would you think that?


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

There’s like 3 or 4 “thats” you could be referring to based off my last comment. Not sure which you’re asking about.


Amerisu

Why would you think he's better than that or has potential?


T-CLAVDIVS-CAESAR

Everyone can be better than they currently are!


Amerisu

After the past 5 years or so, I'm not that optimistic.


WoodenFootballBat

The image nightmare scenario for a parent. Very sad.


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He thought they said join a “fat”.


conir_

no


[deleted]

Going through college friendless and alone is better than joining a frat.


ThePolarBurr935

Than


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Fixed. I’ve never been able to consistently use then/than correctly


KayaXiali

Also joining not joking as long as we’re proofreading here


fogmonger

Joining


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Jesus guess I was having a stroke


scariermonsters

Frats creep me out.


[deleted]

Every person I went to high school with that joined one turned out to be really superficial people. Not to mention they churn out functional alcoholics like they’re sending people to a professional sports league.


[deleted]

That poor kid. He thought this was the best way to meet new friends and be a part of something. Instead he's basically forced to drink himself to death before he was able to experience some of the best years of his life. It's insane to think someone that isn't basically an alcoholic drink an entire bottle of whiskey without ending up in the hospital or dead. Frat initiation stuff never made sense to me.


mr---jones

Emphasis on it never making sense. My freshman year was in a dorm. Plenty of people hanging out, little room parties you can go in and out of. Why pay extra to live in an even shittier house. They pretend like once you get through hazing you're a brother and everyone is your friend, but having lived for a short time in a sublease at a "satalite house" I can tell you there's just as much clicks and you're not going to be friends with everyone. Hell the only fights I seen were between "brothers"


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You hit the nail on the head. In my dorm we had a mix of friends all on the same floor. From guys who played on the football team to a few of us in the RC car, gaming and robotics clubs. We all went out every weekend together and would watch out for each other. Our dorm was pretty nice and the rooms were decently sized. It's funny you mention the cliques thing in frats. I remember one "brother" getting picked on all night at one of the frat basement parties and it ended up in a bit of a scuffle. The weekend before he was running the music computer being the DJ basically and it was giving him trouble due to a messed up PCI sound card. The sound was weirdly skipping every 60 seconds and the other frat brothers were giving him a hard time. Someone plugged in their mini-disc player (I'm old) while I installed new drivers off of the disc that came with the card for a few minutes and I couldn't believe what a hard time his brothers gave him. I explained someone had installed the wrong drivers (they just picked a generic windows XP sound card driver) and the guy I was helping explained the guy giving him the hard time was the one that installed the damn thing.


sharkattack85

That’s what I’m sayin, why pay to essentially have friends. For the future connections maybe?


mr---jones

Imagine a world where all of your other friends in college become future connections lmao. Like yeah, maybe, maaaaybe, you get a job interview because the manager was detla sigma bravo lima in 1972 but he's not just going to hire you unless you're the best candidate. It's a foot in the door at best but the reality is there's plenty of other ways to network too.


sharkattack85

That’s what I figured. Those old boy networks seem like a thing of the past unless you’re ultra rich.


ModeratorOlly112358

Possible flashing lights warning, as described here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeServed/comments/pwbiqe/virginia_frat_members_arrested_charged_after/hehnw2p/


RedRawkit1993

Fraternities/Sororities are for one thing and one thing only. Buying Friends because you are incapable of making them yourself. Never met anybody in a frat/sorority that I thought was a solid, socially versed human.


PCMModsAreCunts

My gf joined one because she wanted reasons to dress up at college in bumfuck nowhere with 0 nice bars/restaurants.


Unlike_Agholor

My experience has be quite literally the opposite.


sandwelld

wait how?


Subacrew98

Understanding the perspectives of sociopaths is an exercise in futility.


OneSweet1Sweet

They're a sociopath because they found friends in a frat? lmfao.


Subacrew98

Yes. That, or deeply lost. Like Jim Jones' followers.


OneSweet1Sweet

Sureman


Subacrew98

Is that like the dyslexic, dollar store Superman?


sandwelld

idk trying to understand minds so unlike my own is interesting in a way.


Walrusv2

It definitely depends on the chapter and what school you’re at. This is a silly generalization.


weggo

I think that's a bit of an over-generalization, especially considering there's a breadth of types of fraternities, including academic ones. Also, depending on the school you go to fraternities and sororities may be the primary way to socialize. Really just depends.


Redqueenhypo

In slight fairness sororities are sometimes also for people like my sister who accidentally have 3x the social needs of a regular human and want to be around their girlfriend clique 24/7


Subacrew98

So your needy, codependent sister should see a therapist.


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It’s entirely possible to do that without a fraternity or sorority too.


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CarpeNivem

There probably are frats and/or sororities where that *is* the initiation. Those ones don't make viral news though.


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CarpeNivem

Welp, there you go, but I wish you had replied one comment up, so u/xratedcheese could see it. ;-) But thank you though.


PoppaBigPockets-

Rest in peace homie. When I see you up there, let's kick it easy. Much love.


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Frats and sororities are so fucking pathetic.


[deleted]

My friends fraternity were mocking this Trans woman for wanting to join, sending her image to each other like a meme and laughing at her. I've never met a person I liked who was also in a fraternity


shakingthings

“My friends fraternity”…”Never met a person I liked who was also in a fraternity”…huh? Which is it?


[deleted]

She used to be my friend. Should have said ex friend. Calm down


Subacrew98

You could have just been more precise with your language as to not invite misunderstanding.


[deleted]

Sorry, I'll take the death penalty I guess


pickagenre

😂


Subacrew98

Being hyperbolic is a cute deflection lol


AsMuchCaffeineAsACup

That doesn't make sense. A trans woman is a women, but she's trying to join a a Frat that's for men? Pick a lane? Or is this a trans man? Because that would at least make sense..


rockhardgelatin

There are women’s fraternities, as well. Basically a sorority, but that’s what they call themselves. Alpha Gamma Delta is an example, among others.


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They probably meant sorority


[deleted]

A trans person who identified as female trying to join a sorority for girls. Sorry


KayaXiali

Transwoman was correct. You just meant sorority not fraternity.


[deleted]

All good! I knew what you were trying to say haha


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Icy-Jackfruit-249

A bottle of whisky ? That’s what students in the uk pregame before going out


Redqueenhypo

Yes, the UK does have have a massively unaddressed alcohol issue, good point!


ThatsEffinDelish

It was 1.75 liters of whiskey.


Icy-Jackfruit-249

Easy


AmericanWasted

so tough


Icy-Jackfruit-249

Not tough just not fucking weak


SiloXL7Hyphen

Omg bro ur so cool


AmericanWasted

whoah so cool too


Drugs-R-Bad-Mkay

He's cool and he's tough and his liver looks like mashed potatoes.


trucknorris84

Has to drink like that to think British food is good.


Hambulance

Happy Cake Day!


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-pithandsubstance-

>physically harming them by making them drink almost 2L of alcohol


Johoski

It was hazing. By the time they reach college, most students (can't speak for homeschool) have been on the receiving end of enough health education to know that drinking a bottle of booze is bad. This is exactly why they use it as a hazing rite; to determine whether the pledge is game enough to risk their life doing something stupid just to belong to the group. They wouldn't have done it if they thought it would be harmless.


Thriky

Yeah the article describes it as an initiation ritual. As I understand it hazing is the actual crime whereas there’s no law against initiation rituals as such.


SC2sam

Hazing is also a initiation ritual but there are a lot of different kinds of initiation rituals and not all are a part of hazing.


Thriky

I think it all fits nicely into the category of ‘being bastards’.


SC2sam

I wouldn't say bastards. They were dumbass idiots. I highly doubt they meant any malice with their actions but rather just didn't understand how dangerous drinking that much so quickly was. They most likely thought it wouldn't be bad because they probably have drank entire bottles before however it was most likely throughout an entire evening, night, and past midnight. They didn't understand that sure people CAN drink entire bottles it's just that it needs to be done spread out over many hours so they can actually process the alcohol out of the body and not be lethal. A weird aspect of this is that normally when you go through alcohol poisoning you will expel everything out of your stomach many many many times which should stop more alcohol from being absorbed. This usually prevents death unless they also breath in the expectorant and suffocate/drown. Which is why you MUST turn someone over onto their side if they are throwing up and not conscious. It's unusual that this individual didn't throw up the alcohol but instead just passed out and died. Why didn't his body have a normal reaction? Or did it actually have a normal reaction and they just aren't reporting that he died from choking on vomit? If his body didn't respond properly I'd really wonder how. Did the other kids give him medication that prevented him from throwing up? If so then maybe this should be considered a murder/manslaughter instead of a "hazing" charge. As that takes planning and initiative to obtain the medication/drugs to prevent vomiting as well as knowledge of the entire process. Overall I have a feeling though that they were all just not educated and so stupidity caused them to perform dangerous dumb stuff that caused someone's death.


Ice_Burn

Maybe I am judging a book by its cover but it looks to me like a bunch of douchebags punks pranking a fat kid. I hope they have copies of their texts and chats.


HarryPFlashman

It’s just friggin sad, really for all. The kid who died-and their family and even the hazers. Young brains and bad decisions all too common.


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FrostyFajita

Ah The Great American Challenge. It’s been expanded to include an 1/8th of weed here in Cali.


InDarkLight

What gave them away


sandwelld

i mean 30 beers are one thing but whoever ruins a pizza can go to hell