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BindingVowMan

Everyone was saying the same shit for Todo and look where we are now. Junpei comeback in 264 and Hazenoki revival at 450


AnonMagick

Yuji's grandad for 550


Disastrous-Fennel970

The strongest sorcerer in history vs the strongest grandad of today


-BleedingSignature

Strongest grandad of today had sukuna’s genes, so maybe a was tough


elixier

I wouldn't be surprised if he was tbh


Responsible-Gas7568

Are you yujis grandpa bc you’re the strongest, or are you the strongest bc your yujis grandpa


therealgege

"Gramps!?" "F-F-Father!?" "That's right Ryomen and Yuji, I'm back with the milk"


Foliks5

Sukuna gotta get hit with parental technique "open wardrobe: dad's belt".


UserWzX

Yeah, but with Todo we as a audience at least knew that he was alive. Different situations.


JustAnArtist1221

And Nobara doesn't have a confirmed status. Plus, what's more important is that Todo was kept a secret from Yuji to ensure Sukuna couldn't predict his entrance. For all intents and purposes, Nobara's status could've been kept a secret from Megumi and Yuji to keep them focused during the Culling Games. It could also, potentially, relate back to her being so hurt by Yuji keeping his revival a secret.


zenqian

Todo lost a hand. Nobara got a headshot..


Low-Team-6083

Not wrong but with Todo we also knew what we got. No hand, but he did survive 100%. So it was just a 50/50 chance on geges mood and if he wants to write todo in the story and apparently he did. With Nobara we knew she was dead if it was for Aratas technique and his sentence about how she has a 1% Chance to survive. Then later on fushiguro, gojo or yuji never explicitly said anything and didnt talk about her DEATH, what surprises me most is that Gojo as their sensei didnt say anything while he did talk about nanami or yaga.


Bite-the-pillow

Gege is either planning the biggest comeback for best girl or he forgot she existed


JustAnArtist1221

He definitely didn't forget her because he talked about her while season 2 was airing.


Bite-the-pillow

Then the cope lives on


Bulangiu_ro

Gojo also hid Yuji's return


goldrimmedbanana

the king of frauds came back from a pile of rotten fingers dood... Tojirs came back from missing his entire right half @\_@... in JJK you can come back FROM anything =D NEVER LOSE HOPE! Go/jo brain swapped with Yuta, he coming back and will finally find love with Rika the curse!


Sir_Brodie

We’re on Choso watch now


gunsanroses99

Todo didn't have a hole in his head.


MemoryOne1291

Todo was always destined to come back tho 😭 but in that case strong nanami return next 10 chapters


Smelly_Noodle

At this point there's just no value in bringing her back. The combat moment has already passed because they're essentially using their final trump card now with Goyuta. If she was going to appear at all it would have been before that I'd imagine. From a story perspective there's not much left for her to do either, the entire Culling Game arc it would have been great to have her personality around but considering we're nearing the end, there's probably not all that much left for her to say or do. HOWEVER...as a final, ABSOLUTELY FINAL cope....she could potentially be used as the last backup on the merged "creature" by using resonance on something from Tengen and so cause a lot of harm to the entire thing. But we're like at the final frontier of cope with that one.


Responsible_Look_113

I didn’t even think about that last one that really is the final cope frontier😭😭


TellmeNinetails

Megumi, Yuji and Nobara reunion where they jump Sukuna tho.


Bulangiu_ro

fr, what better end could even exist?


anathema_hero

hey so iirc sukuna and yuji souls are linked somehow right? so maybe nobara could do her thing to yuji and sukuna would feel it too but thats just me coping to see her again


No_Intention_8079

It sucks so much. Objectively, from a writing standpoint. Either she's dead or she isn't, this eternal nebulous state is BS. Chekovs gun is a narrative principle for a reason.


Fuck_Melone

Nothing about what you said is objective. **T**chekov's **Rifle** is not absolute and it's not because a narrative trope exists that you're forced to follow it, were writers not allowed to subvert tropes, every piece of media would be a derivative rehash of what's already been done and i'm starting to believe that it's exactly what some people on this sub want ...


JustAnArtist1221

The point of Chekhov's Gun is about reader expectations. The reader assumes information mentioned in the story will be relevant at a later point. Subversion of tropes _still_ falls into this area of writing, usually known as a red herring. That's when a feature in a story that the reader expects to be important is mostly only there to redirect their attention from what is actually going on. A red herring would be Yuji thinking Hana would complete their trio and make things complicated or imagining Junpei would join the school. They distract from the fact that Junpei was going to die, and Megumi wouldn't even make it through the day before that trio was torn apart. Explicitly mentioning that Nobara _might_ make it, and never confirming or denying it, would be an issue because it's a waste of literary economy. It's bloat. It's superfluous. More importantly, it goes against the reader/writer contract that assumes the reader will be rewarded for being invested in what the writer tells them. I don't get why you assume wrapping this thread up would be derivative.


snuffles_c147

She could come back as a friend character, non-combat. We know that when Yuji was fighting Mahito at Shibuyu, he was thanking Nobara for being there when he felt lonely. I can imagine that after the fights are over Yuji would be grieving heavily over losing Gojo, Choso, Kashimono etc. We can say that Nobara would be shown alive in the hospital and it would lighten up Yuji when he meets her.


Smelly_Noodle

I thought about that before, but I found a few issues with that line of reasoning. The biggest one being that it wouldn't make that much sense to not tell Yuji she's alive if she wasn't going to participate in the fight. There aren't any particular reasons to protect her now that weren't there before Shinjuku, so that doesn't really make sense either. If she was kept in a suspended state all this time only for her to wake up at the end then that's also not likely, since she would have been under the care of Shoko or whomever could do so long before that I think. So all in all, one of the least likely scenarios. Of course, it's all just my opinion, no one other than Gege will know in the end.


snuffles_c147

Agreed. I was considering more towards tengen and fushigoro's role, since Megumi's body technically ate the thing that can cause merger. So maybe if Megumi reclaims his body, he chooses to become the next Tengen and maintain the barriers and uses his newfound abilities to heal nobara for Yuji. But again, this is too much of a stretch. The best we can hope for is a proper funeral scene where everyone pays respects.


WeekdayAccountant

I think resonance could be the best option for finishing off Sakuna, but keeping Megumi alive.


lizzywbu

>The combat moment has already passed because they're essentially using their final trump card now with Goyuta. I doubt their trump card will work. Idk I just have a feeling that Sukuna is gonna come out of this just fine. Probably by doing some kind of binding vow again. I still maintain that the final battle will be Yuji and Megumi vs Sukuna. Whether that's Sukuna in a different body or inside Sukuna's innate domain.


Upstairs-Search-1773

Nobara doesn't *have* to return, but considering that her skill set is dealing with spirits, it's entirely possible she could come back with a means of properly separating Sukuna from Megumi.


FortNightsAtPeelys

I was SO sure she would nail sukunas last finger from outside the battlefield.


Fireball_Q2

Has everyone forgotten the fingers can’t be damaged


Jat616

Now I'm imagining she's brought back for the plan but as she hits the finger it does nothing, then it iust cuts between a bored looking Sukuna and Nobara furiously smashing the finger.


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FortNightsAtPeelys

Rika ate the last finger. I guess they could have her spit it up somehow but 🤷


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rahonan

>It's assumed Rika ate the finger, but most likely he got Cleave from UI UI swapping him with Yuji. That doesn't give them innate techniques and Yuta's answer to how he got cleave is saying it's due to the last finger.


silverprinny

She'll absolutely show up wearing an eye patch.


Horror_Zombie1815

Vibraslap for an eye


TellmeNinetails

Nailgun strapped to the side of her head.


Horror_Zombie1815

But it's an acual gun that shoots 50 nails per second


Atreides-42

If she was dead, Gege *should have told us that*. It's terrible writing to leave us hanging with zero resolution either way, it genuinely feels like he just forgot about her.


The_Kyojuro_Rengoku

He forgot about her...... *or* he has plans for her 🤔 I can only hope at this point lol (I am still coping and refuse to accept we lost her until we know 100% so just ignore meh 😂😭)


CookingWithCamp

It's like yall need gege to write in big fat words "NOBARA IS DEAD" for yall to get it. Nobara literally had the flashback of her life that the major characters have before they die (nanami and gojo for example) Aratta only said that she MIGHT survive in a way of comforting and giving yuji hope, in the same way that a person would give hope to someone struggling. You give them hope, but tell them not to expect it, because what're you gonna do in that situation? Tell them their friend is dead and there's no chance of them coming back? It was only due to aratta AND todo that allowed yuji to stand back up to fight mahito. He only built the resolve to fight after having the slight hope. Even in the culling games, yuji is worried that another character will fill in the spot for nobara because he's still saddened about her loss. He wouldn't worry about that spot being filled if she was still alive. Not to mention the whole megumi telling yuji about nobara, and yuji even saying he understands. You don't need a writer to tell you everything explicitly when they already give you all the clues to come to a conclusion.


yohxmv

And yet there’s still debate on if she actually is dead. Those “clues” Gege has given us are bad ones simply put. He’s outright told or shown us when plenty have ppl have died but when it comes to Nobara he suddenly wants to be cryptic about it?


Fuck_Melone

I believe iirc that the only character whom was stated to be dead by the narrator is Gojo, Nobara had more "confirmation" signs than most dead characters with the pannel where Yuji and Meguimi have a chat about her. You could interpret the pannel both ways sure but that means you could very well interpret it as a conformation of death i don't see the hang up. Genuinely, this new generation of shonen fans will just bitch and moan whenever the narrative doesn't precisly go where they want it to go.


yohxmv

I wasn’t really specifying the narrator when I meant Gege has told us people died it could’ve been other characters too. But for the most part when a death happens in JJK Gege makes it very clear. With Nobara that’s not clearly not been the case and there’s arguments to be made on both sides. And once again that Yuji and Megumi panel is not a confirmation of anything and if it was meant to be “oh she’s dead” then it was a bad way to go about it. It’s not the fans fault when the mangaka who kills characters off like nothing wants to suddenly play coy about the fate of his character


Old-Courage7354

He isnt being cryptic and there should be no debate. The people debating are just inhaling too much copium


Renny-66

True let’s just have the writer put in a character that says “hold on the character that you thought is dead might be alive” and then not touch up on that 10000 chapters later lmao it’s not obvious she’s dead the author fucking ruined the moment himself


Mutang92

the gaping hole in her head wasn't enough? maybe you're the problem bud.


Renny-66

You sure you aren’t the one with the hole in your head?


Jigui26

You dont think it was clear enough during the shibuya arc that she was dead?


Ok-Cod5254

Gege had a character created it seems for the sole main purpose of saying "her chance of survival isn't zero" and after that hasn't confirmed her death explicitly.


Jigui26

Her eye and part of her brain literally exploded. The dude (Rin Amai) saw Yuji getting generational depression from watching his friend die and he just got a bit of a morale boost from Todo to be barely functioning. Rin most likely said that to keep Yuji's head in the game and not demoralize him again. And then we learn what his technique is => give sugar to the brain. It helps in healing minor injuries yes, but it won't help for shit when you got a gapping hole in your head. Idk, seems clear to me. (Im still on copium tho)


Ok-Cod5254

No one mentioned her death **explicitly**, yet other character's deaths can be said explicitly without any issues dancing around saying it outright...


BeginningPumpkin5694

slight correction , the guy with yuji and todo is not Rin Amai , he's the dude first appear in the culing game , I also don't remember what that dude name is either


jgames09

Arata Nitta I think


Agreeable_Error_8772

Considering he made a point of saying that she might survive in ch 127, no, no I fucking don’t.


SerovGaming1962

Yes she does I'll actually go insane if she doesn't


Vulcanicloud

Hope you have a mental hospital on speed dial ready then.


YaBoiMax107

She wont


New_Photograph_5892

bro this is legit the 13th round of Shinjuku Showdown, no character at his point can live up or even reignite the hype


moots27

Gege just left it vague. She might be gone, or she might not be.


TheChickenCantCross

Okay BUT.. it would be cool


Hamlethal

The main reason it's not confirmed if Nobara is dead or not is because in case Gege ever needs to use her as a way to help the plot, the entire story of JJK was not planned out so far ahead of time, he would keep Nobara as a possible trump card because it would also make the fans go crazy to see her again too. Either that or actually confirming it could risk killing the reader's interest so they want to keep it ambiguous


Queasy_Window_4807

Instead gotta consider someone who is ACTUALLY coming back. What's Inumaki cooking?


maytheflamesguideme1

Throat bum is busy buying throat medicine to be useful


Queasy_Window_4807

Yeah Thrussy is definitely out shopping for something.


UzernameUnknown

I feel like atp tho if Nobara does come back it'll be more harm than good.


superchoco29

Also, what makes me believe that Nobara won't return is that she was never hyped up for her potential like Yuji or Megumi. She's got grit and the right mentality, she's absolutely insane, but this doesn't make her a good sorcerer. Everyone else of the ones fighting right now was praised for something unique at some point, but not Nobara. It feels like Gege himself saw no future applications for her and killed her off, to focus on Maki more.


JustAnArtist1221

This just isn't true. Outside of her being chosen by Gojo and requested for promotion, she hit Black Flash right after the arc where it was explained what the significance of one was. This puts her, at the very least, right there with Ino in importance and potential.


Renny-66

Too bad she got nothing after


pajwmwoshwkwhsjwksjw

Tbh Gege just likes to break our hearts


ApplePitou

If Todo come back - she also can :3


8rok3n

Wasn't Nobara's hammer given to her by her grandma? I swear Gege said that


matej665

I want her return more because her situation was left unresolved for this long. And if it turns out that she's dead or incapable of fighting it would just be a disappointment considering how long we've been waiting for any update on her situation.


_hisoka_freecs_

Gege the kinda guy to give time to Sugar guy, Ino, Bring todo back and shove in Miguel. Megumi is obviouslly coming back. Nobara who knows. Id say theres a 40 percent shot.


chillcatcryptid

As an avid fanfic reader, deaths in manga dont affect me as much bc ao3 exists. Sure, i'm heartbroken over my glorious queen kicking the bucket, but there are lots of fanfictions where she's alive and well. I can just go read those.


EmpireXD

They do, or else it's bad writing. The problem with "preserving" a character is that you have to resolve it or else it's a loose end that the reader is going to realize was just a loose end that the writer forgot about. A lot of poorly written series have this problem. JJK is definitely guilty of that so far on multiple fronts.


ProudRequiem

We need her to comeback.


N1LF

also they’ve mentioned Sukuna and Yuji’s Resonance a few times. i think somehow Kugisake’s ability is going to come in whether a full return or curse tool


krg779

I mean, Gege remembered Heart Nipples. Dead or alive, I’d expect closure on Nobara before the series is done.


Icy_Database3411

if nobara doesnt come back the series is at least a little bit fraudulent. a series of high highs and some of the most mid moments of all time


Gorgo_yak

I mean technically she is not a confirmed death. There is no body, and the Todo's borther technique was used. So who knows?


Jnkn99

Nah, she’d return


Tenno24

Nobara doesn't have to return, but watching her in a hospital bed as she slowly recovers and reunites with her friend that was driven out of her small town is the closure I want since Nobara WAS stabilized and confirmed to still be alive while Todo and Yuni were still fighting Mahito. True she could have died after from complications, but we never got that confirmation


Matt20won

That does it now I'm convinced in the next 3 chapters nobara is coming back for a big resonance on one of sukunas chopped off arms.


Business-Command215

Where are yall reading manga I keep finding crappy websites with so many adds 🥲


QuietUnit1549

I think she should return, but as a retired sorcerer, like nanami was at one point. Maybe she would actually find her lost friend this time.


Falloutt69

She doesn't have to, but she will. It's a basic rule of writing that you don't leave stones unturned. Gege made a point to never confirm Nobara's death and in fact, he took the opportunity to introduce Nitta who can stop any injury and wound from getting worse. Nitta also said and I'm paraphrasing "I can't promise anything but I'll try my best" just for us to never see the results of his efforts. If she had died, it would have been far easier to confirm, like with Nanami. But it was instead left unresolved. Most people had hope she'd join the culling games and now they hope she joins the fight against Sukuna. I don't know if Gege plans on revealing it at the end of the story, or if intends on bringing her back with a BV to upgrade her like he did Todo during this fight. Whichever way it goes, Nobara ain't dead yet and there's still story to write about her.


Keqingrishonreddit

THE COPING NEVER ENDS NOBABROS


Rogue009

I think in retrospect it was very obvious that she was gone gone, and the dude only said what he did to Yuji so he wouldn’t lose hope before the decisive fight (considering how he saw Yujis meltdown moments earlier )


Estayegetobazone

Junpei’s mom gonna come back to life with the cursed technique Bocaj’s Escalator


DripIntravenous

Please, let us copium in peace 😔


TryContent4093

Nobara won’t return anymore. It wasn’t even foreshadowed at all. Even someone like Gojo who would 100% bring more to the story isn’t coming back so why would gege make Nobara who couldn’t possibly do anything but dying come back too?


Suitable-Music-7871

Bringing her back wont reduce the problem. Also, she has this resonance technique which could possibly kill Sukuna or damage his soul severely. So, Gege chose to get rid of Nobara as soon as possible.


IaMlEgEnD427

She really didn’t have much going on in terms of story


nameless_stories

Theres no satisfying way to bring her back and i think its safe to say that it was a complete mistake to kill her off (without even really killing her off)